Kobe Wants 'Old-School' Defensive Rules To Return

[Allanon]

Let me simplify this for Laker fan

22 year-old KB in 99-00 with no zone D: 21.7 PER
40-year-old MJ in 01-02 with zone D: 20.8 PER

Kobe's PER is higher than Jordan's.

Thanks Spurfan

[Allanon]

I understand you're on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

Answer the question Double, you seemed to have forgotten your statements again

[Pero]

That was a typo but you understand what I mean from my first few posts.

Uh I'm not sure I do. I either don't or you're crazy.

Zone defenses in general are to stop penetration and make it more difficult for post players. Do you agree with this or not?

[Allanon]

Obviously. Kobe wants to go 1-on-1 instead of 1-on-5. Zones rule though. .

This fan "gets it"

Only idiots like Double think that going 1 on 1 is more difficult

[mavs>spurs2]

Lol M>S actually thinking I'm pissed.

You're one stupid mother er

As long as my point was made that everyone doesn't agree with you on these things and that Kobe's game would suffer under those old rules. He'd have an Allen Iversonesque FG% if he faced the same defensive antics that Jordan had to deal with. Kobe is just talking out of his ass to win some points and help his public perception. Kobe doesn't really want to see The Glove and Xavier McDaniel up in his jersey, especially without the risk of outside interference and pussy calls.

[Allanon]

Uh I'm not sure I do. I either don't or you're crazy.

Zone defenses in general are to stop penetration and make it more difficult for post players. Do you agree with this or not?

Exactly agree with it. And this is exactly what Lefty said and is exactly what I said.

WTF are you arguing about?

[Allanon]

As long as my point was made that everyone doesn't agree with you on these things and that Kobe's game would suffer under those old rules. He'd have an Allen Iversonesque FG% if he faced the same defensive antics that Jordan had to deal with. Kobe is just talking out of his ass to win some points and help his public perception. Kobe doesn't really want to see The Glove and Xavier McDaniel up in his jersey, especially without the risk of outside interference and pussy calls.

That's all relative...I don't know how Kobe would fair against old school players. If you think the old school defenders would give Kobe a hard time, I don't agree but I don't have a problem with that.

But the point is, going 1 on 1 is much easier than going 1 on 5 zone defenses, as your fellow Mavs fan said.

[Pero]

Exactly agree with it. And this is exactly what Lefty said.

OMG, yes HE did. I was arguing because it wasn't what you said. You now seem to be saying that what you said first was a typo? And then I'm the one with the bad English.

[mavs>spurs2]

That's all relative...I don't know how Kobe would fair against old school players.

But the point is, going 1 on 1 is much easier than going 1 on 5 zone defenses, as your fellow Mavs fan said.

I like to call today's defense ".5 on 1" rather than "1on1" because today's players are only allowed to play half ass defense. Sure it's harder to go 1 on 5 than it is to beat one defender who can't really play any more than crippled defense. But zone basketball isn't good basketball, you should know this from playing at the high school and college level. The zone is so easy to break down and beat with decent ball movement. Zone is just an alternative that teams have had to employ to combat the way the league is set up today.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

of course he does, he wants to prove he can be as good as jordan which we all know he isn't and never will be.

heyyoooo

[Allanon]

OMG, yes HE did. I was arguing because it wasn't what you said. You now seem to be saying that what you said first was a typo? And then I'm the one with the bad English.

I don't mean to make fun of your lack of understanding, I know English is not your first language. I apologize if it comes that way. I'm trying to help you understand the language here.

Here is what Lefty said:
"The only difference is HOW they would get their points: in zone, they are more often wide open on 3's; in no zone situation, more penetrations, FT's..."
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...7&postcount=17

Here is what I said:
"At least you understand that a zone allows for easier inside scoring, unlike some other fans. I give you props for that "
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...4&postcount=21

Now where do you see the problem, please show me and I'll show you the intricacies of the English language which may make it hard to understand.

[Allanon]

The zone is so easy to break down and beat with decent ball movement.

Yup, you can break the zone with team play. You can't break down defenses by yourself any more, you need the team to help.

In the old days, it was much easier for the Superstar to break down the defense just by himself.

[Pero]

Here is what Lefty said:
"The only difference is HOW they would get their points: in zone, they are more often wide open on 3's; in no zone situation, more penetrations, FT's..."
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...7&postcount=17

Here is what I said:
"At least you understand that a zone allows for easier inside scoring, unlike some other fans. I give you props for that "
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...4&postcount=21

Now where do you see the problem, please show me and I'll show you the intricacies of the English language which may make it hard to understand.

I'm not really sure if you're just trolling me now or not.

Anyway, if you agreed with me that zone makes it more difficult for penetrations and post players (which was basically also what lefty said) how can you say that it allows for easier inside scoring?
THAT isn't clear to me.

[mavs>spurs2]

Yup, you can break the zone with team play. You can't break down defenses by yourself any more, you need the team to help.

In the old days, it was much easier for the Superstar to break down the defense just by himself.

So then let me ask you this. Why would teams want to employ a defense that is so easy to break down?

[Allanon]

I'm not really sure if you're just trolling me now or not.

Anyway, if you agreed with me that zone makes it more difficult for penetrations and post players (which was basically also what lefty said) how can you say that it allows for easier inside scoring?
THAT isn't clear to me.

I don't know what you mean but let's make this easy.

I think you, lefty and me all agree on the same thing.

1. The Zone is much more difficult for penetrating players.
2. It is much easier to shoot outside jumpshots in a zone

That's makes it easy. If you agree this is correct, then we all agree

[Allanon]

So then let me ask you this. Why would teams want to employ a defense that is so easy to break down?

Because it stops the 1 superstar player.

Guys like Kobe, LeBron and DWade can't just break down their man and get to the basket at free will like a 1on1 would allow.

[Pero]

I don't know what you mean but let's make this easy.

I think you, lefty and me all agree on the same thing.

1. The Zone is much more difficult for penetrating players.
2. It is much easier to shoot outside jumpshots in a zone

That's makes it easy. If you agree this is correct, then we all agree

LOL yes, I agree. But you said that it allows for easier inside scoring. You don't find that contradictory?

[Allanon]

LOL yes, I agree. But you said that it allows for easier inside scoring. You don't find that contradictory?

I've had a few typos as you pointed out, but I've been saying the same thing

Very hard when I'm answering 5 guys at once. Much easier to answer questions 1 on 1

[Pero]

I've had a few typos as you pointed out, but I've been saying the same thing

Very hard when I'm answering 5 guys at once. Much easier to answer questions 1 on 1

Right.

[Allanon]

Hey Double-Up, where did you go man?

Nobody seems to be backing up your ideas that a 5 on 1 Zone is easier on players like Kobe than 1 on 1

Learn yourself some basketball, fool

[mavs>spurs2]

Because it stops the 1 superstar player.

Guys like Kobe, LeBron and DWade can't just break down their man and get to the basket at free will like a 1on1 would allow.

So basically what I've been saying, Stern has done everything possible to make it a SG's game, and teams are having to resort to zone to combat this. Case in point.

[Allanon]

So basically what I've been saying, Stern has done everything possible to make it a SG's game, and teams are having to resort to zone to combat this. Case in point.

What does this have to do with a "5 on 1 zone defense is more difficult on guys like Kobe and LeBron than a 1 on 1"?

Do you agree with my point that 5 on 1 zone defense is more difficult than 1 on 1 defense?

[Allanon]

Right.

Yeah, you got me, I just re-read the whole thing and realized I left the "NOT" out. I have added it in

Read everything else I have said, it contradicts that typo

[Pero]

Yeah, you got me, I just re-read the whole thing and realized I left the "NOT" out. I have added it in

[Metheny]

I wonder if Kobe is aware of the panic that has set in over him getting ready to eclipse MJ's career.

is this a joke?