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lol good one pego attaway to divert their attention from the real troller
I think even multi-billionaires are replaceable parts of the world. I'm sure there were billionaires in 1900. And none of them are alive today..and yet the world goes on.
lol good one pego attaway to divert their attention from the real troller
Please do not make arguments on lil'mo's behalf duff. I do not think he would a want a reneger getting his back.
if i really wanted to help my country and protect the freedoms of millions of Americans, id get an education and become a diplomat. but diplomacy never works, right?
just throwing this out there, but josephus daniels saved alot more American lives by being an ambassador than secretary of navy. especially the lives of soldiers.
Awesome, then go for it. Unfortunately not every one of those soldiers is able to go that route.
land of the free. land of the student loans. land of the "military pays for college." so theres a route through there too.
Yeah but that would mean enlisting when you said going to get an education and becoming a diplomat instead. So which is it? Enlist and serve then go to school or stay away completely and go to school instead?
Everyone joins for different reasons, of course, but it's not an accident that recruitment methods/incentives are targeted specifically at poor and/or minority communities. The fact that joining the service is the only way that huge portions of the population can realistically access educational opportunities or health care (or whatever) is by design.
Everyone loves patriotic enlisted hero types of any shade, and the clean cut white boys are great for public relations, but if there's going to be a lot of casualties in war it certainly doesn't hurt to appeal to the expendable folks.
just wow
You apparently can't read. I'd love for you to show me where I said that.
Your blathering says otherwise.No I am not afraid, I even said that they probably DO it for the paycheck.
Obviously the people posting in this thread care or they wouldn't be posting. Are you slow or are you just playing the part? My curiosity is satisfied and nothing more. I don't see why I'd need any more motivation than that.No, I am asking who cares? Say you find out why each and every person enlists then what? What do you get out of it? What exactly does it do for you? So they do it for a paycheck and our country has a group of people whose job it is to defend whenever the need arises.
Any plans to elaborate?
Ok so then organize a way to get this done OR pe ion for the government to spend millions of dollars every year on interviewing each recruit and collecting all the data necessary to satisfy your curiousity. Are you really that stupid?
That's unfortunate.
Now I'll never know if you misunderstood my post as completely as you misunderstood Manny's.
I am thankful for Americans service to their country. I am also thankful for our teachers and paramedics. Those are honorable jobs to have
It's when it crosses the line into (modern day wars) "protecting America" and " fighting for our freedoms"
that's just gregariously stupid to say, you're not fighting in my name or protecting any freedoms
No I understood your post. If I would have thought that you thought that way I would have said something. Instead I chose to just say wow at the way things worked.
As far as manny, I just quoted what he said.
I know many folks who have joined the military and are neither stupid or lazy. Its a good way to learn a skill or get money for college. I do agree with the fact that there are some assholes in uniform but as was also mentioned that it is like any other segment of society and will have its share of nozzles but to generalize an entire group as being of one mindset is just as nozzle-worthy.
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They are there to secure our freedom. Without a military we are wide open. The politicians are the ones that say the soldiers are in Iraq "protecting our freedom"
No they're not, and yeah the politicians and the media are to blame as always
you can talk about my freedoms all day, it's just in poor taste
Serving your country is honorable enough, you don't have to insult our intelligence and bring up securing our freedoms
I have no problem with the troops...its the politicians I don't like.
Ultimately, I have a lot of respect for anyone willing to do a job that I'm not, regardless of what that job is or the individual's specific motivation to do that job. It's specifically that willingness that I respect, though. You're not as big of a pussy as I am, so props to you for that (which I recognize sounds dismissive, but isn't intended to be).
I don't respect or support the military as an ins ution or militarism as a philosophy, however, so I don't have a tremendous respect for that type of patriotism. I save that level of respect for the type of people who see the ugly ick going on in the world and look for solutions that don't involve bombing the out of another country and essentially punishing its citizens for the sins of its leaders.
Where I have a problem with the OP, and where I think most people are getting hung up, is that it assumes that the goals and motivations of all military personnel are the same. This just isn't the case. A lot of people are military because they want to go to college in the future, a lot enlist because they have a strong passion to defend the country, a lot enlist because they don't know what the else to do with their lives, and on and on. I think it's grossly naive to assume that everyone currently enlisted is fighting because they're passionate and motivated to protect my freedoms, but I think it's just as grossly dismissive to assume that no one currently enlisted is fighting based on legitimately honorable intentions that are worthy of my respect.
"Do your job and stop expecting some great level of respect for doing grunt work that someone else would do if you weren't there to do it."
Hey, no problem. I for one don't expect a great level of respect. Simple courtesy will suffice. Contrary to your statements, the military is not all "grunt work" as you so quaintly put it. You might find it enlightening to check out a few of those stupid and lazy people......Grace Hopper and Walter Reed spring to mind.
Sure, there are those who enlist out of economic necessity, just as there are those who volunteer for other reasons. Some of us enlisted out of a sense of duty. My family have served on the US military since the civil war, and I was raised to believe that service to the community and nation is required of every citizen. Just think of what could be accomplished if every citizen did even two years of public service.
By the way, I never met one of those "Army or Jail" people who ever did well in the military.
Dumbass.
Can't even see the bigger picture.
Not worth my time.
Trust me, most of us don't expect any respect. In fact, I hated the attention I got when I served. It didn't seem right to me.
But that's cool.. your opinion, and you have your right to it.
Hows that work? You can't be a single parent and enlist. Plus, they dock your paycheck for child support.
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