The assumption without being said is that the distribution would be more even among the 32 countries. Just a bit unbalanced if you ask me. Look at the bias of reports coming out, like this:
When you word something like this, the minor player is normally identified as "including." Not the major player.that consists of citizens of 32 different countries including Turkey
Turkey: Israel will pay the price for ‘pirate’ violence
How, by sinking the ship rather than insuring control? The ship would not divert away. It doesn't take long for it to travel 12 miles. If they waited, they have a real short time.
If someone attacks me, should I make sure i have an equal weapon for defense? no. I'm going to put them down as fast as I can so I can keep them from doing farther harm.
How do you immobilize an old passenger ship without sinking it? Have a reliable plan?
They had no intention of heading Israels direction to divert to another port. Waiting would have probably killed many passengers as it sinks. Do we know if they had enough life-boats?
I would say most were pacifists that really are trying to bring aide. The few who attacked the soldiers definitely weren't.
That's not the argument in play.
Israel has been for years allowing goods to be moved into Gaza. They just aren't allowing goods to be shipped that they don't inspect.
None of the reports I personally read said that. However, claiming that there was no diversity because the majority was Turk, really IS the definition of cherry picking.
Whoever ordered the operation of the commandos to board that ship is flat out re ed.
Regardless of who started it, neither side is really in the "right" and the press backlash against Israel would have been totally predictable no matter the situation and outcome.
One of the things I do like about the US since Obama took over, he's not bending down on his all fores and spreading his asshole for Israel in plain site. Maybe he's still doing it behind closed doors but with the slant of Isreali-related news the past two years or so, this was totally predictable.
Either stupid move by Israel or brilliant move by the Islamists.
Also--I would love to read some honest, accurate opinions by Israeli citizens. They knew what they were asking for when Netanyahu returned, and noone on this board can deny he's pretty much delivered what he promised and everyone expected. War-hawking bull .
Don't mind DoK, his ass still hurts from that pounding the Hezb gave em 4 years ago.
tee, hee
Most of us here may not agree with Shasta on this, but I think there's pretty much a consensus that you're an ignorant and monumentally annoying prick.
Man, you're dense!
Iran/USA alliance
Man, this worked out just the way the flotilla "peace" activists wanted. They purposely went to confront the Israeli blockade to provoke some kind of idiotic response from the Israeli Navy. They knew this kind of response would ignite anger in the Arab world and an overreaction by a left-leaning media.
Bravo.
Oh, here's a vid of the "peace" activists chanting an Islamic battle cry about killing the Jews.
so....they were going to ghaza or expected to be killed.
and thanks for it only being 42 seconds.
Israel has a right to inspect boats going towards the West Bank.
I don't see it so gray here. There were hostile protesters in that ship yelling violent phrases towards the israelis. The ship had to get inspected. I would have sent in armed personell to inspect the ship for weapons, as ships supposedly carrying humanitarian aid have held explosives and rpgs in the past. It's not out of the ordinary for these things to happen.
I don't know what else could have been done. There is no tragedy since the protestors wanted to fight the commandos and more than likely would have lynched un armed inspectors.
This is a lose lose situation for Israel, only because the western nations allow themselves to be blind to the fact that arabs lie and cheat 90 percent of the time because they feel outgunned by the israelis.
An interesting wrinkle or two in this gloss:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv...gal_posit.htmlA word on the legal position, which is very plain. To attack a foreign flagged vessel in international waters is illegal. It is not piracy, as the Israeli vessels carried a military commission. It is rather an act of illegal warfare.
Because the incident took place on the high seas does not mean however that international law is the only applicable law. The Law of the Sea is quite plain that, when an incident takes place on a ship on the high seas (outside anybody's territorial waters) the applicable law is that of the flag state of the ship on which the incident occurred. In legal terms, the Turkish ship was Turkish territory.
There are therefore two clear legal possibilities.
Possibility one is that the Israeli commandos were acting on behalf of the government of Israel in killing the activists on the ships. In that case Israel is in a position of war with Turkey, and the act falls under international jurisdiction as a war crime.
Possibility two is that, if the killings were not authorised Israeli military action, they were acts of murder under Turkish jurisdiction. If Israel does not consider itself in a position of war with Turkey, then it must hand over the commandos involved for trial in Turkey under Turkish law.
In brief, if Israel and Turkey are not at war, then it is Turkish law which is applicable to what happened on the ship. It is for Turkey, not Israel, to carry out any inquiry or investigation into events and to initiate any prosecutions. Israel is obliged to hand over indicted personnel for prosecution.
I pretty much agree, except for the last part.
Israel does some pretty unethical things in its own defense especially when it comes to the blockade in Gaza, but it is within their rights to inspect ships coming into their country.
Israel does some things to Palestinians and muslims that, if they were done in any other western country or to Christians, we would be screaming bloody murder about.
The ironic thing for me is that if any of these groups ever really smarted up and started really using the kinds of non-violent protest tactics ala Martin Luther King, Jr. or Ghandi, they would really turn the West against Israel by pointing out that uncomfortable reality in a morally unambiguous manner.
Here those activists gave the Israeli military some pretty prime footage of violence, so they can be somewhat marginalized in the PR war based on that.
Yet another example to me of the real power of non-violence and moral authority, as this is an example of neither.
Interesting.
Yet another bit that many pro-Israeli bloggers will probably ignore as being a tad inconvenient.
israel is goin to start the holy war inthe middle east then come callin for eu, nato or usa for help....once the arab countries have had enough with the jews
Interesting. Thanks.
I agree.
The point can also be made that since Israel and Hamas are essentially at war, Israel can blow up any ships en route to Gaza.
Yes, I agree. There is no doubt in my mind that they wanted to cause sympathy towards them. They wanted this media attention.
And too many people fall for the trick.
I know I should not feel like this, but...
I'm dead tired of all this Middle East issues. It's always the same people. Always the same countries and states. Honestly, is there any way the entire Middle East dissapears? Israel, Iran, Irak, the palestinians...
Seriously, the world would be a much more safer place.
Also, Israel didn't just commited an act of war against Turkey by attacking a ship,
of turkish flag, in international waters? If I'm not mistaken, that's how it is.
I AGREE.
Bomb the entire ing region. I'm tired of the Islamic fascists/israeli knuckleheads that keep detracting us from our own problems.
Sorry faces but we have enough problems on our own hands and give more importance to them than you.
I'd like to see the billions of dollars of aid going to israel right now be better used to enforce our BORDERS and security.
I don't know about rigth or wrong but Israel is one stupid country if they think they can attack a ship of their closest ally in the region in international waters...
who the is leading their country at the moment?
As a friend we need to pull them in and tell them they are not going to be able to pull this off forever.
Who the do you think is leading the U.S. at this moment? Oh, never
mind, we haven't got anyone "leading". Just dictating.
As a friend, we should take their side.
They are not that friendly, I still remember the israeli spies a few years back... Besides, in the bigger picture, if the US take Israel side, no matter-what, we'll be kinda alone (I can't think of a single country that will support Israel on this matter)
Well, first of all, you shouldn't feel, you should think.
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