Props to Dirk

[mingus]

Lakerfan needs to sticky a Miami/Lebron hate thread already, pls.

[Goran Dragic]

I don't understand this argument..

Your main argument is that Lebron's heart was never fully invested in Cleveland..how the do you know this?..are you World Wide Wes?..you're just assuming something that you can't prove?..

This is how I know Lebron's heart wasn't invested in Cleveland:




and this:



most notably this:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...005110CLE.html

and to seal the deal, this:

How has Kobe shown loyalty after ting on the entire organization and trying hard to get traded?..

He has stayed with the same team his entire career. Like Michael Jordan. Like Tim Duncan. Lebron turned his back on Cleveland. Kobe got frustrated, but in the end gathered himself and got LA out of hard time.

How am I going against what NBA players are saying?..in what way?..

Every NBA player and ex-NBA player besides benedict boozer has criticized Lebron for this, and they all say Kobe is better.

I don't understand the bandwagon fan talk..if you want to call me a bandwagon fan because I like the Spurs and don't live there, feel free, it's a valid argument..

Calling me a bandwagon fan because I like non-Spurs players is stupid though..

You're a Heat/Knicks/Spurs fan, that's where the bandwagon fan talk comes from. Anyone who cheers for whatever team Lebron is on is a bandwagon fan. The "I'M JUST A PLAYER FAN !!!" is one of the most typical cop outs bandwagon fans use.

[Goran Dragic]

lol Lebron leaves = Loyal
lol Kobe Stays = not Loyal

I want what your smoking

[himat]

I don't understand this argument..

Your main argument is that Lebron's heart was never fully invested in Cleveland..how the do you know this?..are you World Wide Wes?..you're just assuming something that you can't prove?..

How has Kobe shown loyalty after ting on the entire organization and trying hard to get traded?..you do realize that Kobe has already done almost everything you've criticized Lebron for, right?..



How am I going against what NBA players are saying?..in what way?..

I don't understand the bandwagon fan talk..if you want to call me a bandwagon fan because I like the Spurs and don't live there, feel free, it's a valid argument..

Calling me a bandwagon fan because I like non-Spurs players is stupid though..

How can you know LeBron is disloyal...(1 sentence later) Kobe's disloyal.

How do YOU know dumbass? You contradict yourself so much its so damn funny.

Here's how WE know LBJ is disloyal...he bolted when he had the chance. Here's how we know Kobe isn't disloyal...b/c he ultimately stayed and won an additional 2 rings in LA.

STFU and go to sleep. Its past your bed time.

[mingus]

lmao @ people who are comparing the Lebron situation to Kobe's situation.

[HarlemHeat37]

-I've never said I'm a Knicks fan, I actually always say I'm not..I wanted Lebron to play in NY, because I'm obviously a fan of his..

-I'm not a Heat fan, I won't be cheering for them to win a le, unless they play against the Lakers or another team I dislike..

-Lebron being a Yankees fan and being friends with Jay-Z has nothing to do with not having his heart in Cleveland..so he's only allowed to like things that are associated with Cleveland?..

-Kobe stayed with the team because he had no choice, he was under contract..he demanded a trade and went all over the radio demanding one..if you're going to stick with this anti-Lebron argument, which you're en led to, at least concede the Kobe argument..

-Which players criticized Lebron for this?..not that it matters in regards to my opinion, but I'm curious to hear..

[HarlemHeat37]

Where did I speak on Lebron's loyalty?..I'm speaking on somebody saying he was never committed to Cleveland, which is implying that he never tried and never wanted to win in Cleveland..it's obviously a ridiculous argument..

Lebron already signed an extension with the Cavs, so he could have left earlier..why didn't he leave when he could?..according to you guys, he's some disloyal asshole..he stayed and gave them plenty of chances to win..

Kobe was under contract and demanded a trade..I'm speaking on how somebody is using him as an example here, when it's clearly flawed..

Where exactly have I contradicted myself?..

[Goran Dragic]

-I've never said I'm a Knicks fan, I actually always say I'm not..I wanted Lebron to play in NY, because I'm obviously a fan of his..

If you don't care about the Knicks, then what difference does it make where he ends up?

-I'm not a Heat fan, I won't be cheering for them to win a le, unless they play against the Lakers or another team I dislike..

-Lebron being a Yankees fan and being friends with Jay-Z has nothing to do with not having his heart in Cleveland..so he's only allowed to like things that are associated with Cleveland?..

Someone who has lived in Ohio his entire life has no reason to be cheering for the Yankees. He should be an Indians fan, and associating with an owner of another team is plenty disloyal. Him wearing a Yankees cap as a home grown Ohioan is a slap in the face to people in Ohio.

-Kobe stayed with the team because he had no choice, he was under contract..he demanded a trade and went all over the radio demanding one..if you're going to stick with this anti-Lebron argument, which you're en led to, at least concede the Kobe argument..

Kobe coulda had a trade if he wanted one. In the end though, he never made a full blown push to get traded and stuck it out with the team he's been on his entire career.

-Which players criticized Lebron for this?..not that it matters in regards to my opinion, but I'm curious to hear..

Stephen Jackson, Otis Smith (former player), MJ made a statement that Kobe was better knowing it would be plastered all over youtube. The NBA community in general is disgusted by this decision.

[himat]

Where did I speak on Lebron's loyalty?..I'm speaking on somebody saying he was never committed to Cleveland, which is implying that he never tried and never wanted to win in Cleveland..it's obviously a ridiculous argument..

Lebron already signed an extension with the Cavs, so he could have left earlier..why didn't he leave when he could?..according to you guys, he's some disloyal asshole..he stayed and gave them plenty of chances to win..

Kobe was under contract and demanded a trade..I'm speaking on how somebody is using him as an example here, when it's clearly flawed..

Where exactly have I contradicted myself?..

You contradicted yourself when you asked us how do we know LeBron is disloyal (are we World Wide Wes etc.), but then you preceded to say Kobe is disloyal. How would you know?

(If you literally answer that he demanded a trade I'll literally answer that LBJ left Cleveland clueless until 9:01 yesterday and the oh btw he said fu to all of Cleveland on live national television.)

I'll slightly concede on the Kobe being loyal argument, but not completely. Sometimes the ends justify the means and in the end LeBron left and Kobe stayed. Even if it is only by a small margin, Kobe is more loyal than LeBron because he stayed and LBJ left.

[himat]

Now give me a legit argument Harlem b/c when you're not saying "you're stupid" and "Kobe sucks" you can have some good points.

[HarlemHeat37]

]If you don't care about the Knicks, then what difference does it make where he ends up?

I'm a Lebron fan, I live in NY, I would get to watch him play often..I have a lot of friends that are Knicks fans, it would be great for the city to have the best player in the league on the team..

Someone who has lived in Ohio his entire life has no reason to be cheering for the Yankees. He should be an Indians fan, and associating with an owner of another team is plenty disloyal. Him wearing a Yankees cap as a home grown Ohioan is a slap in the face to people in Ohio.

I'm not a Knicks fan, but I absolutely love my city too..a lot of people are like that..I'll give you credit for supporting your own city's teams, but living somewhere doesn't mean you have to cheer for their teams..

Kobe coulda had a trade if he wanted one. In the end though, he never made a full blown push to get traded and stuck it out with the team he's been on his entire career.

How could Kobe have gotten his trade?..

He tried really hard..the reason the trades didn't go through was because he had a no-trade clause and only wanted to go places where he could win, so the Lakers couldn't get any value in return..

Kobe did make a full blown push, do you want me to post links?..

Stephen Jackson, Otis Smith (former player), MJ made a statement that Kobe was better knowing it would be plastered all over youtube. The NBA community in general is disgusted by this decision.

We'll come back to this when more people speak on it, it should be interesting..

[TheMACHINE]

lol players fan.

[GrammarDynasty]

STOP WITH THE GODDAMN MOTHER ING ELLIPSES AFTER EVERY SENTENCE! !















thanks

[TheMACHINE]

STOP WITH THE GODDAMN MOTHER ING ELLIPSES AFTER EVERY SENTENCE! !















thanks

whats an ellipse?..

[himat]

STOP WITH THE GODDAMN MOTHER ING ELLIPSES AFTER EVERY SENTENCE! !















thanks

Just saying thanks is a fragment grammar boy.

[GrammarDynasty]

whats an ellipse?..

Well excuse my ing typo, you fat faced ass zipperhead. But that will make it happen to the best of us.

[Borosai]

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[TheMACHINE]

Well excuse my ing typo, you fat faced ass zipperhead. But that will make it happen to the best of us.

i didnt even know you had a typo.

[LakerHater]