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The Washington Quarterly? Stop making me look up all these abbreviations, dammit!
If and when that happens, I'll eat my hat.
I will add that the polarization due to what transpired with RJ was one of the main topics this offseason, for a number of reasons, so it's only expected to see stuff like this.
I would say that if you don't want to participate, you have the choice not to.
The Washington Quarterly? Stop making me look up all these abbreviations, dammit!
If and when that happens, I'll eat my hat.
Hey, enjoy his failure, and don't forget the vindication you've publicly promised yourself. Won't it feel good when you're right?Enjoying his failure is better than wanting to tear my ing hair out about it. Gallows humour is a coping mechanism.
One may choose to participate how he wishes.
Except, as soon as I read that I realised I won't enjoy his failure, I'll hate it less by having somewhere to vent about it, and that's why I immediately changed that post. Here's what I changed the post two and what I really meant:
I won't be 'enjoying' his failure, I'll be laughing bitterly at it, which is better than wanting to tear my ing hair out about it. Gallows humour is a coping mechanism.
Kind of like how you immediately changed the OP to explain your "hate" away.
Color me surprised. I will leave this thread alone now, though.
No question...One may choose to participate how he wishes.
Be prepared to 'heat of the moment' threads though...
No, I re-wrote the OP because it wasn't reflecting what I wanted it to, but the bit about 'hate' wasn't changed at all.
Do you enjoy these pedantic excursions of yours? I think you're here not because you're outraged for RJ and that a fan would 'hate' on one of their team's players, but because you've always enjoyed having a go at me.
Why don't you go and lecture some Bonner haters? Don't save all of your bile and pedantry for me!
Leave RJ alone!
This thread is just
To defend myself and friends I associate with that were for R.J being resigned:
-Did we think RJ's play was worthy of the 40 million dollar deal? No we didn't.
-Was RJ the most realistic option for the Spurs this off-season? Yes he was. That is the realistic reality that took place. Not only was he was the best option, but his new deal saved Holt roughly 25 million.
-Do we think he has the chance to improve in his second season? Sure we do. His three point shooting was non-existent from February to the end of the year last year. Any amount of 3 point shooting will be an improvement.
-Does RJ's contract effect the Spurs from adding a significant (more than the MLE) free agent in the near future? No it doesn't. Not with Tim and Manu still on this team for two more seasons. Spurs would have just around the MLE to add anyone significant in the off-season via free agency if either scenario played out.
-Does his deal effect the Spurs from resigning Blair and Hill when their contracts are up? No it doesn't. Their deals are up when Manu's contract is off the books. Spurs will have plenty of money that off-season (30+million in cap room) and will have the nice 11 million dollar expiring contact to use in a trade from that off-season til February. How is that a bad rebuilding situation?
These are the reasons why I was for the R.J signing. I thought from the very get go, he would be the most realistic and best option since the majority of the MLE was going to go to Splitter anyway. Realizing this reality and the fact that R.J's contract doesn't necessarily effect the Spurs rebuilding process and doesn't effect the Hill or Blair being extended whenever that day comes in 3 years is why I was for it. His contract also doesn't necessarily effect Parker being resigned if Parker's new deal is front-loaded (which 95% of contracts are), since Tim's contract is off the books 2 years from now.
If Parker is resigned then yeah R.J's contract might effect Hill and Blair to be both extended. But you have to remember Manu's and Tim's contracts will be off the books by then and if Parker is resigned then I don't think Hill will be a Spur that much longer anyway.
My whole debate wasn't if R.J would improve or not in his second season. It was solely based off the reality of the situation now and the near future.
When will you PopApologists ever get it?
When L.A. Flamers are happy the Spurs did something, it isn't good.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=PopApologists
Ah, Fabbs . . . the voice of reason.
Translation: "Can we get back to the hating now?"
Yes, you may. Let it be duly noted I have never sparred with you.
Can you re-answer this question with a max contract for Tony Parker in the books under the current CBA rules (which is all we can use to speculate right now)?
Read the whole thing above. I answered that.
Let me add-- If Blair and Hill are extended and if Spurs resign Parker-- R.J's contract will be expiring when that day comes . So it doesn't really effect the situation, considering both of Blair and Hill's deals will more than likely be front-loaded. ( Thinking worse case scenario.)
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 10-13-2010 at 06:15 PM.
I don't think you did. Don't forget that for 10+ years old players, the max salary starts at 35% of the salary cap (for this season it would be $20,315,400). You have to add yearly increases to that.
Also, are we going to carry only 7 players?
Well, let me add I think we won't be competing for championships at that point anyways (once TD and Manu ride into the sunset), so paying a 34 y/o RJ whatever might be part of the plan to tank and rank up in the lottery then...
/thread. In case the RJ lovers haven't noticed, the rest of the WC celebrated when he signed his new deal.
When will you PopApologists ever get it?
When L.A. Flamers are happy the Spurs did something, it isn't good.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=PopApologists
One more thing, I'm not really emotionally tied to the Spurs finances. To me, what could have been different was keeping RJ on his old deal and see if you could get something for the expiring. This deal is what it is, and it's not going to get undone, so it's really water under the bridge at this point.
It does bother me if the guy doesn't show up though. I'm fully aware that if there's any small crack in the championship window, he's going to have to be a significant part of getting there.
Also, Tim and Manu's contracts worth over 35 million in salary will be off the books by then. Spurs will be able to afford to fill out roster spots more than you obviously believe, even with an expiring contract worth 11 million still on the books.
You are acting like R.J's contract is 10 years in length. It's not.
I'm having a hard time agreeing with your math.-Does his deal effect the Spurs from resigning Blair and Hill when their contracts are up? No it doesn't. Their deals are up when Manu's contract is off the books. Spurs will have plenty of money that off-season (30+million in cap room) and will have the nice 11 million dollar expiring contact to use in a trade from that off-season til February. How is that a bad rebuilding situation?
Hill is an RFA in the summer of 2012. He could take the QO and stay on for one more year. But Hill is as sure a candidate as there ever was for a team making him an offer betting that his team won't be able to afford him.
Even re-signing TD at a reduced rate (75% of current), and convincing Parker to just keep his salary in line with today's at standard increasing increments, the Spurs could very well be over $65 million in commitments without Hill's paltry QO, not including future firsts or future MLEs or LLEs and with only 8 playuers.
I agree completely. Blackjack can tell you I've ed about R.J's play during 2 of the pre-season games.
It still doesn't change my understanding of the reality of whole the situation.
Sorry, but that's what a max contract looks like nowadays. I didn't make up the numbers, go read the current CBA.
Is it Tony worth it? I don't know. Will he take less? I don't know either.
Will the Spurs have a shot without Tony? Definitely not.
The question is going to be what the CBA looks like then. We also don't know what Hill or Blair will look like by then or how much money is going to take to re-sign either.
Don't change the subject. RJ's contract overlaps Hill or Blair, and that's what we're talking about. Saying that's a given that contract is not going to hinder resigning either is really a big question mark right now. You're assuming there won't be a hard cap in place, and that's far from sure. If there is? How much are those 10 million going to push against it?
We can talk about it when the next CBA is in place.
So if we don't just love and accept we hate the Spurs? Your are hitting that next level in your relationship with RJ.
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