These numbers from SI are not for the all the games they played this season. ( must be a different split (last week game etc ?) as their stats for four quarters are exceeding and are inconsistent with their total current avgs for the season.
noyou lost !
Actually for the nba stats TP 2PM/2PA .535 Manu .50 ( and you can also remove easy layouts, dunks etc ... if you want)
Tp is not bad at 3PT but I agree with you that Manu takes more shoots at 3PT but TP .33 is not bad, Manu is (only) at .37
Only one remark : It's one of the better season for TP in 3PT, FT and AST.
Look at the last 3PT and FT !!!
Kori Ellis knows her , period.
Once again you threw an utterly irrelevant statistic at me. The fact that Tony Parker's 2 point field goal percentage is higher than Manu's 2 point field goal percentage is irrelevant. Why?no
Actually for the nba stats TP 2PM/2PA .535 Manu .50 ( and you can also remove easy layouts, dunks etc ... if you want)
Tp is not bad at 3PT but I agree with you that Manu takes more shoots at 3PT but TP .33 is not bad, Manu is (only) at .37
Only one remark : It's one of the better season for TP in 3PT, FT and AST.
Look at the last 3PT and FT !!!
Because - once again - you're completely ignoring 3 point field goal percentage corrected for volume. That's what true shooting percentage does. It corrects for both the fact that 3 pointers are more valuable than 2 pointers (40% from 3 = 50% from 2) and for volume differences. Manu shoots a lot more 3s than Tony (and makes a high percentage of them) and gets to the free throw line more often while shooting much better from the free throw line, which is why overall Manu's true shooting percentage is higher.
That's it, the end. It's a simple concept. Look up true shooting percentage if you have any more questions.
It's ok to be wrong.
I agree that Tony Parker is certainly deserving of an all star berth this year.
I disagree with your implication that Parker is somehow more efficient from the field than Manu, and yes that certainly was your implication because you compared overall field goal percentage for both players in isolation which is just about the worst thing you can do. It's analogous to comparing points per game between players without correcting for shot attempts per game or minutes per game.
It's called rounding off...
Manu is simply the best of the team.
I think what Tony has going against him is that DWill is the better point guard.
As far as 2 guards go, with Roy being out, Manu doesn't have a lot of compe ion as the backup to Kobe.
I wish both Manu and Tony would make it though. What they're doing along with everyone else with this team is historical.
Come on Lefty...
Even if I agree Manu is (slightly) more valuable this year than Tony, you can't bring (only) that argument to compare their game!
If Tony doesn't produce as much in the 4th, it's also because Pop chooses to put the ball in Manu's hand.
NOT ONLY because he is clutch, but MAINLY because he is a machine a the FT line...
It's not because you have to chose someone than the other choices (Tony and Timmy) can't be clutch... (both have proved to be!)
There are many games where Manu wouldn't have had the opportunity to be clutch because the team would have been blown out before the 4th (in part because of him, a lot of Manu amazing/great/clutch plays come after a TO/dumb play... by himself!)
My point is the choice isn't THAT obvious BB wise...
But nowdays, it's all about highlights, spectacular plays... even if it's still 2 points...
Just imagine the spurs without Tony... (speed, % shooting, unselfishness/ego, D against speedy PG, systems knowledges...)
It's scray that not only the media, but even his own fans underestimate him...
I can't find another example in ANY sports!
what makes the spurs players have better stats then some players
is this team is so balance
no one shoots more then 14 shots
spurs ususally have 6 players in double figures
it helps them when
teams can not shut down one player
it just hurts each person having allstar years and making the team
Because he Is Manu, the allmighty and Tony Is just, well Tony, the underrated and hated. Haters gonna hate.
Analyzed said, one produces when it counts while the other piles stats early. But if the other does not pile stats early, one won't even have the chance to count in the 4th. So, It's both important.
And no, I don't hate Manu, he deserves It. I just think they both deserve to be All-Stars. TP Is just as important for the team as Manu so far this season. Both have been doing great.
Anyway, f*ck the ASG tbh
Well, Manu finished 3rd in the fans poll.. So, he should definitly be a lock to a guard spot. Also, he's being considered as an MVP candidate.
Tony has been playing amazing this year. His % are great, he's running the point much better and his defense has really developed. I think he's being underated by most NBA fans (maybe cause there're great PGs), but he deserved a spot at the ASG.
It would be just ridiculous to only have one Spurs (player) at the All Star Game. Would be great for the original big3 to be there all together..
Tony is underrated. If he played on the Jazz or the Hornets, he'd have gaudier numbers. As is, he does well in a system where he shares the creating with Manu and everyone on the team shares the shooting opportunities.
Tony is definitely underrated. He's also going against overrated guys like Westbrook, who is all the rage in the media these days.
I would bet Money that if the coaches don't vote TP in, the league would like to see a big 3 with Pop on the helms before TD retires. They may consider that on their ballot, it has to.
I say TP makes it. Period.
Actually, shooting 40% from 3 is the equivalent of shooting 60% from 2.
3pt 100 shots 40 makes 120 points
2pt 100 shots 60 makes 120 points
That's why most uninformed posters don't understand the value of a Bonner. He scores with the efficiency of a good post player, without clogging the lane. In fact, he spaces the lane for T,T,and M.
I think Manu has more resources in his game in order to win than Tony, but TP is equally important to Manu for the team. If he's not healthy / playing well we have little chances.
And c'mon Tony has been 3 times an All star...why complaining?
Manu is simply the best of the team.
This season is true.
Ah, my bad, good catch.
Varner from 48MOH brought up the interesting prospect of Bonner potentially causing match up issues for the Lakers in a potential playoff series because of the way he spaces the floor as a 3 point shooting big man.
If the opponent is shooting 60%+ against Bonner, then the value is non-existent. Not to mention that shooting 60%+ is great if you're taking a lot of shots. He's a 8ppg guy at the very best.
The problem is both should be there and it defies reason why Ginobili has only been there once.
Manu is getting the much deserved hype and Tony is being ignored.
Manu is a HOF with 3 rings. ASG is a joke compared to that
So? His 8ppg keeps one opponent big out of the paint playing him, whether he's shooting the ball or not.
Do you have stats that say his man shoots 60% or did you just pull that out of your ass? My stats are solid.
Both Manu and Tony deserve to be at the ASG. The reason being that the Spurs are the team with the best record in the NBA at 40-7!
The team has been carried by the backcourt for long stretches of the season, which has helped to keep Duncan's minutes down.
Manu started the season playing awesome basketball, and was clearly playing at another level. But in the last 40 days or so, Tony has been as good or better sometimes.
Stats are even.
Both should be there.
This team is so balanced that there's no clear cut "best player".
Everybody is contributing, including the rookies and the whole bench.
40-7 should be rewarded with 2 or 3 players at the ASG, imo.
brandon roy is hurt. after kobe the only sg out there that might desreve it is kevin martin. manu is a lock. for pg tony has no shot. paul, williams, westbrook are all ahead of him. parker is only ahead of nash and its by a little
Except his big man doesn't stay on him. That's exactly what good coaches play him like (ie: Phil Jackson). It's playing the averages. You much rather get beat by Bonner than TD/Manu/Tony. If he hits 7/7 from downtown you tip your hat to him, dare him to do it again and move on.
lol, your stats are not stats, they're simple math inside a vacuum. I'm putting your 'stats' in perspective by stating he's a 8ppg guy. That's a stat and a fact also. His 3 rpg are also a fact. That he's a liability on defense and a playoff choker shouldn't be a surprise to anybody at this point.
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