Would you be willing to trade RJ for Travis Outlaw?

[TJastal]

lmao whining about an extra year when Jefferson's bloated deadweight contract will be over 10 million in 2012 and 11+ mil in 2013 while Outlaw stays at a reasonable 7m ...

[Tyrone Jenkins]

lmao whining about an extra year when Jefferson's bloated deadweight contract will be over 10 million in 2012 and 11+ mil in 2013 while Outlaw stays at a reasonable 7m ...

I agree - you don't trade an AWFUL contract for one that slightly less AWFUL that's longer when you dont' know if the product will produce at the same rate. Let's not forget that RJ shot 44% from 3 for 2/3 of the season. I think a better objective would be to find a way to get RJ to play that way ALL season than to take a chance on Outlaw.

[mountainballer]

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/...QcIjWojU4q0MGO
Two unrestricted free agents, Denver's power forward/center Nene, and Detroit's small forward Tayshaun Prince, will be the Nets' prime targets when the lockout ends.

(yeah, it's the ny post, but I think this report is plausibly.)
why I posted this: I think it's somehow interesting if the Nets are going for a veteran SF like Prince.
this means they could as well be interested in RJ.
however, the more I think about it, the less I like the idea of bringing Outlaw in. question is, could there be another package from them that the Spurs would help? (Farmar+Petro for RJ ?)

[TJastal]

I agree - you don't trade an AWFUL contract for one that slightly less AWFUL that's longer when you dont' know if the product will produce at the same rate. Let's not forget that RJ shot 44% from 3 for 2/3 of the season. I think a better objective would be to find a way to get RJ to play that way ALL season than to take a chance on Outlaw.

So how do you plan on keeping RJ's nuts from shriveling up, 3rd string? Two years in a row now I'd have to start calling a pattern. And no, the spurs can't get Luke from the lakers so you'll have to think of something else.

[TJastal]

(yeah, it's the ny post, but I think this report is plausibly.)
why I posted this: I think it's somehow interesting if the Nets are going for a veteran SF like Prince.
this means they could as well be interested in RJ.
however, the more I think about it, the less I like the idea of bringing Outlaw in. question is, could there be another package from them that the Spurs would help? (Farmar+Petro for RJ ?)

Why would they be interested in taking on Jefferson's 3 more years of bloated 10m+ when they can probably sign Prince for probably half of that or less?

[Tyrone Jenkins]

So how do you plan on keeping RJ's nuts from shriveling up, 3rd string? Two years in a row now I'd have to start calling a pattern. And no, the spurs can't get Luke from the lakers so you'll have to think of something else.

Jastal (Mr. Never Played) you amaze me. My post was AGREEING with YOU . . . didn't you see that?

[ducks]

Exactly. The Spurs as a TEAM played badly. You can't coach shooting during a game - that's something that is generally worked on during the off-season.

Let's be real here. Pop isn't the problem. RJ and Bonner aren't the complete problem. Hill, Neal, TD or Blair aren't either. It's the combination of folks playing badly that are. IF the Spurs had Deron Williams at the pt, Ray Allen at SG, Kevin Durant at the 3, Josh Smith at the 4 and Dwight Howard at center and they all played badly and lost, who's fault is it?

so it is tp fault the other players could not hit shots


according to your logic the point guard makes the shots for the teamates

[Tyrone Jenkins]

so it is tp fault the other players could not hit shots


according to your logic the point guard makes the shots for the teamates

Where did I insinuate that?

[TJastal]

Jastal (Mr. Never Played) you amaze me. My post was AGREEING with YOU . . . didn't you see that?

You may think you agreed, but your point contradicted mine.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Well, I agree the fact that Outlaw for RJ isn't a good idea. If you agree w/ that, then we agree.

[benefactor]

Where did I insinuate that?

Don't respond to him...unless you think it's constructive in some way to argue with a mentally challenged person.

[benefactor]

I agree - you don't trade an AWFUL contract for one that slightly less AWFUL that's longer when you dont' know if the product will produce at the same rate. Let's not forget that RJ shot 44% from 3 for 2/3 of the season. I think a better objective would be to find a way to get RJ to play that way ALL season than to take a chance on Outlaw.

Don't you remember last summer? Pop worked one on one with him all summer...even going as far as taking him through very basic drills to try to get him straightened out. If that plus his new payday doesn't get him to be consistent then nothing will.

The need to move on outweighs any potential negatives Outlaw brings from a player standpoint. Don't forget that it saves the Spurs quite a bit of money over several seasons too.

[Bruno]

I don't see how a team could have trading for RJ as their first option. What could happen is that RJ could be an alternate plan after some failed try to get a better player. For example, Clippers could settle for RJ after failing to do a trade for Iguodala and to sign Tayshaun Prince.

It's quite sad to say that Spurs only hope to trade RJ is that a team got desperate but I fear it's the truth. It makes me want to puke to think at how Spurs put themselves in a deep hole by giving $50M to Bonnerson.

[DPG21920]

I can't believe people ever tried to argue that giving players like RJ/Bonner a combined 50M was good.

[ChuckD]

Well, I agree the fact that Outlaw for RJ isn't a good idea. If you agree w/ that, then we agree.

He doesn't.

[joshdaboss]

I can't believe people ever tried to argue that giving players like RJ/Bonner a combined 50M was good.

lol @ throwing Bonner in.

lol @ the best 3 point shooter/stretch 4 in the NBA not worth his small contract.

[mountainballer]

lol @ the best 3 point shooter/stretch 4 in the NBA not worth his small contract.

Dirk is on a small contract?

[TJastal]

Dirk is on a small contract?

Don't get him started.

[Uriel]

C'mon brah look at the bigger picture already.



Outlaw played with the frickin nets last season, a team in turmoil and transition, of course his numbers were way off his reg season averages. He's had several seasons of hovering around 40% (from 3pt) and I am betting he would average even better numbers in a stable system like the spurs just as Jefferson has. Plus he's a better passer & defender and his nuts don't shrivel up in the playoffs.

As for the salaries, who gives a about the extra year. He's making almost nearly 3m less per year which not only gives the spurs some extra flexibility to sign other players, but also makes it significantly easier for them to use him as part of a trade package (if need be). There's nobody who is going to take RJ at his current rate.

You better have some evidence to back up your claims.

And I'm getting tired of pointing out the logical fallacies and / or grammatical errors so pervasive in your posts.

[EricD]

Don't get him started.

Simple question TJ, Do you have a life outside of ST?

Seriously, you are on ST more than all the mods combined.

How sad.

[TJastal]

You better have some evidence to back up your claims.

And I'm getting tired of pointing out the logical fallacies and / or grammatical errors so pervasive in your posts.

Evidence is easy to look up. Jefferson only shot 40% once before his breakout last year of 44%

Outlaw meanwhile has posted solid years in the past.

2004 40%
2007 40%
2008 38%
2008 39%

I don't think it's out of line to imagine him putting up 45% (just like RJ) in the spurs system where he'll have plenty of good open looks especially at the best 3 spot in basketball (corner 3).

[TJastal]

Simple question TJ, Do you have a life outside of ST?

Seriously, you are on ST more than all the mods combined.

How sad.

lol exaggerate much? I work 40+ hours per week dude. I'm on here most mornings and that's it.

I seriously doubt I'm here 1/3 of the time Chumpdumper spends here. Why don't you go give him the 3rd degree, I'm sure he'll appreciate it, probably give you a sarcastic 1 liner.

[ChuckD]

Evidence is easy to look up. Jefferson only shot 40% once before his breakout last year of 44%

Outlaw meanwhile has posted solid years in the past.

2004 40%
2007 40%
2008 38%
2008 39%

I don't think it's out of line to imagine him putting up 45% (just like RJ) in the spurs system where he'll have plenty of good open looks especially at the best 3 spot in basketball (corner 3).

So, they've both shot 40+% twice.

RJ career 36.5%
TO career 34.4%

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Looking at the Spurs draft philosophy, it's been either draft and stash or take BPA. Splitter is a good example of the former, Blair that latter. There's a reason why both those players lasted as long as they did - they were risky. The Spurs have been very fortunate taking risks so I tend to side w/ the FO whenever they do.

Which brings me to the Spurs trading philosophy - which has been just as risky (more risky than it should be). The Spurs actually got the better end of the deal in the RJ trade as the players they traded away are either retired or not too far from it. RJ was supposed to be a great scoring addition to the big three and quite possibly replace the scoring production of TD as he fades.

Now that the trade hasn't panned out, it's time for the FO to stop taking risks. Outlaw would be just that - a risky trade in that any deal that brings him here in place of RJ would most likely involve RJ and another complimentary piece (an RJ for Outlaw trade straight up has some appeal given that the contract situation for Outlaw is better but that's exactly the reason why a straight up trade isn't likely).

I think the FO has realized their loss in the deal and is doing whatever they can to mitigate short of trading a key piece. So, all this rhetoric about Outlaw and what he brings more than RJ...water under the bridge. He isn't significantly better offensively or defensively - essentially, he's the same player that's cheaper.

No need to speculate further...