HDDVD vs. BluRay

[ElNono]

this is too easy

[Wild Cobra]

Notice that at that point HD-DVD was cheaper than BluRay.

Live in the past often?

HD-DVD was simply an upgrade of current technology, making it immediately cheaper. BluRay is new technology, making the first million or so more expensive, until the new capital equipment is paid for.

These facts were all part of this, or the other format war thread material.

Don't forget the bandwidth difference.

[ElNono]

I know, I know.. Per disk with the same number of layers, Blu-Ray costs more. However, when half or more of the Blu-Ray les are on one layer disks and nearly all the HD-DVD must be two layer disks... Blu-Ray is by far cheaper to mass produce!

There are other reasons, but that is the primary one

tbh, cost had noting to do with it. Studios backing up the format did.

All the players decision to back BluRay you can bet was because of technical specifications.

[ElNono]

HD-DVD was simply an upgrade of current technology, making it immediately cheaper. BluRay is new technology, making the first million or so more expensive, until the new capital equipment is paid for.

I will stand by my conviction that Blu-Ray will win. Primarily because it is cheaper.

I know, I know.. Per disk with the same number of layers, Blu-Ray costs more. However, when half or more of the Blu-Ray les are on one layer disks and nearly all the HD-DVD must be two layer disks... Blu-Ray is by far cheaper to mass produce!

There are other reasons, but that is the primary one

[ElNono]

And no, HD-DVD was still cheaper when Warner switched.

[ElNono]

What's the source for the re ed you posted?. Answer the question.

[Wild Cobra]

Do you read what you link?

"The trend became decisive I think this year," he said. "When Warner made its decision, it was basically over."

And you said the reason was cost, not technical... nice goal post move.

What was the source for the re ed you posted earlier?

Yes, and there was more material than just that link.

Again, the major players were backing the better technology. Just because that article doesn't spell it out, doesn't mean they didn't see the speed and storage capacity difference.

[ElNono]

Again, the major players were backing the better technology. Just because that article doesn't spell it out, doesn't mean they didn't see the speed and storage capacity difference.

I thought you said the primary reason is that it was cheaper.

Wait, I'm sure you said that.

What was your source?

[Wild Cobra]

I thought you said the primary reason is that it was cheaper.

Wait, I'm sure you said that.

What was your source?

Cheaper per GB is one reason. Data speed is the other.

Bluray won because of technical merit.

[ElNono]

Cheaper per GB.

lol no, you said, and I quote:

Blu-Ray is by far cheaper to mass produce!

lol moving goalposts

BTW, what was your source for that re ed statement?

[ElNono]

lol editing posts and going all defensive...

[ElNono]

But I called it, today:

We don't have to wait that long, tbh. You'll never admit to being wrong and will nitpick at anything to contest you ever were. Too predictable, IMO.

[Trainwreck2100]

Nothing like Beta vs VHS, actually. Don't get defensive though, I didn't say you botched your prediction or anything. Just that cost, if anything, was against BluRay.
What you forget is that originally the BluRay discs needed a full size caddy which was pretty expensive and made it incompatible with the current crop of DVD production.

What made the difference is that Sony owned a movie studio and Toshiba didn't. Sony was much more entrenched in Hollywood and knew how to get the other studios lined up. Sony also bundled the drive with the PS3, as opposed to Microsoft, which sold it as a separate device.

From wiki:

Deciding factors

The format war's resolution in favor of Blu-ray was primarily decided by two factors: shifting business alliances, including decisions by major film studios and retail distributors,[38] and Sony's decision to include a Blu-ray player in the PlayStation 3 video game console.


Basically, when Warner jumped ship from HD-DVD to BluRay, that was the end of that. Notice that at that point HD-DVD was cheaper than BluRay.

The deciding factor was porn everyone knows this

[Wild Cobra]

lol no, you said, and I quote:



lol moving goalposts

BTW, what was your source for that re ed statement?

My God.

BluRay is cheaper when you look at one layer BluRay vs. 2 layer HD-DVD.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[ElNono]

My God.

Was that the source for that re ed statement?

Why are you still trying to move the goalposts?

[ChuckD]

Sony paid Warner $500M to switch, idiot. It had nothing to do with technical specs, and everything to do with Benjamins.

the truth

[Wild Cobra]

Was that the source for that re ed statement?

Why are you still trying to move the goalposts?

I pointed out that in the early origins of this debate. Not changing the goalpost.

[Wild Cobra]

Sony paid Warner $500M to switch, idiot. It had nothing to do with technical specs, and everything to do with Benjamins.

the truth

Even that article wasn't able to confirm the money aspect.

[ElNono]

I pointed out that in the early origins of this debate. Not changing the goalpost.

So you were wrong when you wrote this then:

I know, I know.. Per disk with the same number of layers, Blu-Ray costs more. However, when half or more of the Blu-Ray les are on one layer disks and nearly all the HD-DVD must be two layer disks... Blu-Ray is by far cheaper to mass produce!

There are other reasons, but that is the primary one

Or you're moving the goalposts. Take a pick.

[ElNono]

Still waiting for your source on that re ed statement, BTW

[CuckingFunt]

So, then, I take it Cobra's no longer than trying to hide the fact he's troll?

[ChuckD]

Even that article wasn't able to confirm the money aspect.

Gizmodo is probably in the top 2-3 technical blogs. If they said it, it happened.

You're a little naive. You like to think that capitalism is like some pure religious economy, when in fact dirty like this happens all the time. The best product does not always win. In fact, Sony's loss in the 1980's video tape wars is frequently directly linked to these payments to studios. Beta was a smaller cassette with a better resolution, but they lost the battle. They were afraid it was going to happen again.

It's funny, but the ultimate winner will be 'no disc' video streaming. You think Sony wouldn't like a Mulligan on those half billion dollars in payments to set up their own streaming system?

[DMX7]

Quality of streaming still sucks compared to Blu-ray. And if ISPs decide to start charging by the GB as some have considered, then Netflix is ed.

[ElNono]

Gizmodo is probably in the top 2-3 technical blogs. If they said it, it happened.

You're a little naive. You like to think that capitalism is like some pure religious economy, when in fact dirty like this happens all the time. The best product does not always win. In fact, Sony's loss in the 1980's video tape wars is frequently directly linked to these payments to studios. Beta was a smaller cassette with a better resolution, but they lost the battle. They were afraid it was going to happen again.

It's funny, but the ultimate winner will be 'no disc' video streaming. You think Sony wouldn't like a Mulligan on those half billion dollars in payments to set up their own streaming system?

Oh, he knows. He just don't want to say he was wrong.

[Wild Cobra]

So, then, I take it Cobra's no longer than trying to hide the fact he's troll?

Well, if at times, taking enjoyment in ruffling feathers means being a troll, then I guess at times I fit in that category... at times.

Don't we all?