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    For next year, Collet should rebuid Cholet backcourt with Nando and Beaubois.
    First unit: Parker, Gelabale, Batum, Diaw, Noah.
    Second unit: De Colo, Beaubois, Mike Pietrus, Florent Pietrus, Turiaf.
    Utility players: Bokolo and Traoré.
    So Seraphin???

    He still makes a lot of defensive mistakes (no more than Traoré) but add 1 more year of experience, he has GREAT hands and a hughe body!

    I don't know who's place he takes though...

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    Nando has been misused by the coach for the biggest part of the summer. His task was to be spot up shooter while he has never been that kind of player. What is even worse is that he has been in a shooting slump for a year. It was a recipe for failure.

    In the middle of the Eurobasket, FNT backup PGs (Albicy and Tchicamboud) sucked and Gelabale sprained his ankle. These events have allowed Nando to play more and more his natural role (in the Ginobili mold). Results have been mostly positives with some good or great games against Lithuania, Greece and Russia.
    That's good news. Thanks.

    With Splitter being somewhat of a disappointment in FIBA Americas, at least it's good to know other prospects did well.

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    So Seraphin???

    He still makes a lot of defensive mistakes (no more than Traoré) but add 1 more year of experience, he has GREAT hands and a hughe body!

    I don't know who's place he takes though...
    Diaw, Florent Pietrus, Noah and Turiaf are locks to make the team at PF/C. Behind them, there will have one spot available. For the moment, I'm going with Traoré because he is the best scorer and the rest of the frontcourt is offensively challenged.

    Now, it's sure that Olympics games are in 1 year and a lot will depend on what happens next year. Séraphin or Mahinmi could take Traoré spot. On the perimeter players like Diot, Kahudi or even Fournier could take one spot.

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    I did "bash" Parker's turnovers/assists but I also made note of a similar weakness that his Spurs team had as well - both frontcourts got manhandled. Was that too much?

    You'd also be wrong about the statline; the stats I put up was by a player that TP defended and he still had a relatively impressive statline nonetheless - Mr. Jose Calderon.

    But its not like Tony Parker was ever known for his defense anyway.


    you know what I actually watched the games and I tell you Parker played some very good basketball during this euro and he played some very good defense too.


    Spanish front court would dominate most of nba teams front court btw, when you are pg playing behind that kind of interior force make your life a little bit easier.


    Anyway you haven't seen one single game so youre venting on nothing but yeah we agree

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    you know what I actually watched the games and I tell you Parker played some very good basketball during this euro and he played some very good defense too.

    Spanish front court would dominate most of nba teams front court btw, when you are pg playing behind that kind of interior force make your life a little bit easier.
    Being defended by Tony Parker helps too I guess its good to hear that he played well in the rest of the games but not enough for this one. I don't think anyone thought France would really win against Spain though including homers. Spain's frontcourt is too great of an advantage and their backcourt is more than serviceable in the Euro's but probably not so much in the NBA.


    Anyway you haven't seen one single game so youre venting on nothing but yeah we agree

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    True like others in this thread I didn't watch but I had to correct ya about my "bashing". Carry on.
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    Being defended by Tony Parker helps too I guess its good to hear that he played well in the rest of the games but not enough for this one.


    He actually was good enough, the supporting cast wasn't...

    None of us are saying he was Magic or anything, just that he was really good and that from a spurs fan perspective, it's nice to see his progress (in term of leadership for instance).

    If you don't watch the games, at least learn how to read a boxscore. You keep mensioning his 5TO for example, but you forget to notice his 4ST! and it goes on..

    You're pathetic, not because you don't agree with me, because even hidden behind your computer you still don't assume you opinion/hate...

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    el nono has never seen European basketball.
    I've watched some, not particularly Spain lately. The NBA is just much more superior.

    Do you get to watch much Euro basketball in Houston?

    How many did Spain win? How many did France win?
    USA won gold medals, so their alleged cheating paid off.

    When is it going to pay off for the Greek-Americans?

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    2. Seikaly sucked
    Seikaly was raised in Greece
    Makes sense, IMO crofl

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    Yeah it paid off for Argentina too, using all those players whose parents came from Italy.
    Why are you mad that all Argentina's players are born and raised in Argentina?

    Argentina has pride and would never play an American-born player.
    And what does the Greek-American have to show for their cheating?

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    Yeah, Seikaly sucked so much in the NBA that he averaged 15-17 points and 10-12 rebounds for 5 straight seasons.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...seikaro01.html
    What did he ever win in the NBA?

    He coattailed the dream team in barcelona for a gold medal.

    tbh, that's what players that have played in Greece have to do to win one.

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    Greek League > Argentine League > NBA
    NBA >>>>>>>>>>>> Spain > Russia > NBDL > Italy > France > Argentina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greece

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    Diaw, Florent Pietrus, Noah and Turiaf are locks to make the team at PF/C. Behind them, there will have one spot available. For the moment, I'm going with Traoré because he is the best scorer and the rest of the frontcourt is offensively challenged.

    Now, it's sure that Olympics games are in 1 year and a lot will depend on what happens next year. Séraphin or Mahinmi could take Traoré spot. On the perimeter players like Diot, Kahudi or even Fournier could take one spot.
    I agree.
    Some players will probably not be available, so it is probably too early to think about who will make the team.

    But, the problem is that even with Turiaf, our frontcourt will not make it against Spain. I we want to go to the next level, our bigs need to step up big time.

    Noah should be better with more FIBA experience and Turiaf will certainly help. But we will need more.
    If one of Traoré/Seraphin/Mahinmi does not improve drastically, no matter who Collet will pick.
    My two cents is Seraphin will make the team.

    One thing I am worried about is the impact of the lockout.
    Diaw (and maybe Turiaf) for instance is supposed to play in the French Pro B... this is not good IMHO... I can't see him being in shape and ready for big games if he is to stroll in the Pro B for the whole season.

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    no medal
    no olympics (yet)
    no pride
    cheating and still losing
    Macedonia >>>>>>>>> Greece
    Greek-Americans

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    Why are you mad that Argentina can't produce any players of its own and has to pilfer them all from European countries like Italy and Germany?

    Why are you mad that Argentina's cheating and using European players makes up basically their entire national team?
    Where were they born?

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    Argentina:

    stealing the kids of European families because they can't win a medal with local players
    can't produce any home grown local talent
    a team made up almost entirely of Italians
    "Italian-Argentines"
    Argentina won olympic gold medal with all Argentina-born players
    Argentina won olympic bronze medal with all Argentina-born players
    Argentina won Worlds gold medal with all Argentina-born players
    Argentina is in the Olympics with all Argentina-born players
    Argentina just won more gold with all Argentina-born players
    Greece
    never won an olympic medal
    never won gold at the worlds
    using American-born players and still failing
    using German money to play and still failing

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    Italy and Germany mostly. Their passports, birth certificates are not even real and everyone knows it.
    "everyone knows it"
    bitter
    always kicked in the ass by Argentina
    not good enough
    not in the olympics
    no medal for Greek-Americans

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    Argentina coat tailed all those European kids to their medal in 2004. That's what Argentina has to do to win a medal. Take the kids of European families.
    At least they were all born in Argentina.

    Where was Peja born?

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    "Italiano Argentine" national team
    can't produce any home grown players for the national team
    have to steal them all from Europe
    all home grown
    all Argentina born and raised
    mad about Argentina >>>>>>>>> Greece

    Where was Peja born?

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    Almost all of Argentina's players were born in Germany and Italy. Some in Spain, some in Poland.
    You're lying. Prove it.

    Just like Turkey, their national team is full of fake birth certificates and fake passports. FIBA has never even denied it. They just try to ignore it. Just like they do with all the fake "Turkish" players.
    Where was Peja born? Answer the question.

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    bitter
    embarrassed
    liar
    broke
    still no medal
    still no olympics
    Peja still born in Serbia

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    Editing their wikipedia page and changing place of birth doesn't make it true. Argentina used their own players, Greece used Americans like you.

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    Argentina's players were almost all born in Italy and Germany idiot. This is common knowledge and only the biggest dumb asses around are not aware of it.


    lol son, you're maaaaaaddddd

    fake passports

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    But, the problem is that even with Turiaf, our frontcourt will not make it against Spain. I we want to go to the next level, our bigs need to step up big time.

    Noah should be better with more FIBA experience and Turiaf will certainly help. But we will need more.
    If one of Traoré/Seraphin/Mahinmi does not improve drastically, no matter who Collet will pick.
    My two cents is Seraphin will make the team.
    Agree, even at full strength, France won't be as good as Spain but they would be significantly closer. Turiaf would have helped inside against the Gasols, Bokolo could have slow down Navarro, Beaubois could have bring some scoring form the bench, Pietrus and a healthy Gelabale would have also help the team.

    A realistic goal for the Olympics is to be the third best team behind Spain and USA. If they are healthy, they have a real shot at getting the bronze medal.

    To be at the level of Spain, France will need to have a bigman good on both sides of the court. Noah, Turiaf and Florent Pietrus suck on Offense. Traorés sucks on Defense. Diaw is Diaw.
    Séraphin and Mahinmi are the best canddidate sot be that good 2 way bigman. Like you, I would give an edge on Séraphin even more because he will play in Spain during the lockout and these young bigs need to play. Ajinça is also worth keeping an eye on because of his huge upside.

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    He actually was good enough, the supporting cast wasn't...

    None of us are saying he was Magic or anything, just that he was really good and that from a spurs fan perspective, it's nice to see his progress (in term of leadership for instance).

    If you don't watch the games, at least learn how to read a boxscore. You keep mensioning his 5TO for example, but you forget to notice his 4ST! and it goes on..
    Uh....unless this boxscore was wrong (http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/...18_ESP_FRA.asp), it was the guy that Parker defended that had 4 steals, not Tony. You might want to rethink your boxscore comment. Did you watch the game? Perhaps some didn't get counted but the numbers are what they are.

    Why the would you even mention Magic. As a Spurs fan its not good that TP still has problems with turnovers and Jose lit up the court with his shooting but to each their own.

    And if you'd notice my turnover comment also made note of how both the Spurs and French frontcourt got manhandled so it wasn't all about the infamous Tony Parker.

    You're pathetic, not because you don't agree with me, because even hidden behind your computer you still don't assume you opinion/hate...
    Like several others in this thread I am not a fan of Tony Parker and never claimed otherwise. I'm not a master of English either but you and that other Frenchie (Brazil?) need to work on your reading comprehension. I had to correct both of you guys, pathetic.

    Carry on bashing Greece.
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