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    Normally I'd agree that the in bent has an advantage as the "devil you know", but there seem to be a few factors working against him at this point.



    His policies, most specifically the healthcare issue, were a big reason for the creation of the "radical" Tea Party movement. The "anybody but Obama" factor will play huge in this election.
    The bailouts created the Tea Party movement. The moment is easily found if googled. Happened on MSNBC.

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    The thing with Romney is he hasn't cracked 27%. There are MANY Republicans who WILL NOT vote for that guy (myself included). There will be an ABR (Anyone but Romney) candidate, and that person may very well win by default. He may not have the money, but I don't care how much money a guy has, or how many ads I see pro-Romney, I ain't voting for that guy....ever. I think there are many that share my feelings.

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    The thing with Romney is he hasn't cracked 27%. There are MANY Republicans who WILL NOT vote for that guy (myself included). There will be an ABR (Anyone but Romney) candidate, and that person may very well win by default. He may not have the money, but I don't care how much money a guy has, or how many ads I see pro-Romney, I ain't voting for that guy....ever. I think there are many that share my feelings.
    You might feel that way, but I am guessing that there are still a plurality in the GOP who will, when standing in the booth, realize that the moderate probably has the best chance in the general election.

    At his point the other GOP candidates all have fatal flaws when it comes to winning a general election, even against an in bent with a ty economy who has disillusioned no small part of his base.

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    If Cain doesn't get the nomination then i would put my money on Gingrich. Romney and Perry are rich in money but not acceptability.
    MR. HARWOOD: Since you mentioned Fannie and Freddie, Speaker Gingrich, 30 seconds to you. Your firm was paid $300,000 by FreddieMac in 2006. What did you do for that money?

    MR. GINGRICH: You — were you asking me?

    MR. HARWOOD: Yes.

    MR. GINGRICH: I offered them advice on precisely what they didn’t do. (Laughter, applause.)

    Look, look, this is not — this is —

    MR. HARWOOD: Were you not trying to help Freddie Mac fend off the effort by the Bush administration —

    MR. GINGRICH: No. No, I do no — I have never done that.

    MR. HARWOOD: — to curb Freddie Mac?


    MR. GINGRICH: I have never done — I assume I get a second question. I have never done any lobbying
    , every contract that was written during the period when I was out of the office specifically said I would do no lobbying, and I offered advice. And my advice as a historian, when they walked in and said to me, we are now making loans to people who have no credit history and have no record of paying back anything, but that’s what the government wants us to do, is I said — I said to them at the time: This is a bubble. This insane. This is impossible.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/us...al-debate.html

    The records obtained by the AP reflect growing concern within Freddie Mac over a chorus of criticism from Republicans worried that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae had grown too big. The two companies owned or guaranteed over $5 trillion in mortgages.

    The Bush administration and Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan were sounding the alarm about the potential threat to the nation's financial health if the fortunes of the two mammoth companies turned sour. They did eventually, when they took on $1 trillion worth of sub-prime mortgages and when their traditional guarantee business deteriorated. Commercial banks regarded Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae as compe ors and were anxious to pick up business that would result from scaling back the two companies.

    Pushing back, Freddie Mac enlisted prominent conservatives, including Gingrich and former Justice Department official Viet Dinh, paying each $300,000 in 2006, according to internal records.

    Gingrich talked and wrote about what he saw as the benefits of the Freddie Mac business model.
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    The thing with Romney is he hasn't cracked 27%. There are MANY Republicans who WILL NOT vote for that guy (myself included). There will be an ABR (Anyone but Romney) candidate, and that person may very well win by default. He may not have the money, but I don't care how much money a guy has, or how many ads I see pro-Romney, I ain't voting for that guy....ever. I think there are many that share my feelings.
    Don't you love our lesser of evils system.

    The ABR candidate will win because of the ABO vote.

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    The thing with Romney is he hasn't cracked 27%. There are MANY Republicans who WILL NOT vote for that guy (myself included). There will be an ABR (Anyone but Romney) candidate, and that person may very well win by default. He may not have the money, but I don't care how much money a guy has, or how many ads I see pro-Romney, I ain't voting for that guy....ever. I think there are many that share my feelings.
    You might feel that way, but I am guessing that there are still a plurality in the GOP who will, when standing in the booth, realize that the moderate probably has the best chance in the general election.

    At his point the other GOP candidates all have fatal flaws when it comes to winning a general election, even against an in bent with a ty economy who has disillusioned no small part of his base.
    Agree with RG here, mostly because of point #2. Every ABR candidate to this point has flopped in one way or another. The most serious threat to this point is Cain, who has allegations of sexual harassment that will only draw more attention in a general election. And his chief economic policy has almost no chance of being fulfilled, making it an obvious gimmick to the intelligent voter. Who else is there? Who is your "guy" (quotes acknowledge it could actually be a girl)?

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    Don't you love our lesser of evils system.

    The ABR candidate will win because of the ABO vote.
    In that case we're left with BO for another four years.

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    In that case we're left with BO for another four years.
    , I'll call that too.

    Obama gets re-elected in 2012, barring some new political cataclysm.

    The Republicans don't seem to be able to find someone acceptable to independents and moderates, and the Democrats will be able to paint whoever gets the GOP nod as an extremist neophyte, a Bush on right-wing coolaid.

    Romney will get it, but will be so unattractive to a lot of rank and file Republicans that their turnout will be depressed.

    Expect to see right wing nutbag radio and Fox "news" ratchet up the crazy in an attempt to get the base out to the polls for the Guy Who Isn't Obama.

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    Expect to see right wing nutbag radio and Fox "news" ratchet up the crazy in an attempt to get the base out to the polls for the Guy Who Isn't Obama.
    I would expect nothing less.

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    I would expect nothing less.
    I take some consolation in that even Bush's throughly incompetant administration seemed to start getting right after about 5 or 6 years.

    Obama's seems to have a steeper learning curve, as they seem to have gotten some together after about 3.

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    Romney will get it, but will be so unattractive to a lot of rank and file Republicans that their turnout will be depressed.
    You don't really believe that, do you? You're trolling, right? Have you paid no attention to how much the right hates that sucker? David Duke would rally the base against him.

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    If Cain doesn't get the nomination then i would put my money on Gingrich. Romney and Perry are rich in money but not acceptability.
    Point-me

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    WH. I missed your post. I think the fact that this will be viewed by the right (who are voting for the republican candidate) as another attempt at the MSM to destroy another one of their candidates. My prediction will still be correct. I don't think Cain is out of it completely. But I think it is between those two. He doesn't have to explain it anymore than he has. the fact that they use the debates as a gotcha chance will bring him in some voters looking for a team to root for.

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    Too bad Newt was for a health insurance mandate before he was against it.

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    Yeah CD, you are going to vote for a republican clearly so your insight will be more correct than karl rove 2.0 (me)

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    Yeah CD, you are going to vote for a republican clearly so your insight will be more correct than karl rove 2.0 (me)
    It's OK that you were ignorant of Newt's support of a health insurance mandate.

    Don't get mad.

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    Your comment, regardless of the inaccuracy of said comment, is irrelevant to my point.

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    Your comment, regardless of the inaccuracy of said comment, is irrelevant to my point.
    Your ignorance is completely relevant here.

    And prove it is inaccurate, asshole.

    I have posted a link to a video of Newt's pimping a health insurance mandate on this very forum.

    See if you can find it.

    Asshole.

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    Your comment was about my knowledge. Something you cannot disprove. ha...ha...ha...i am done.

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    Your comment was about my knowledge. Something you cannot disprove.
    It was about your ignorance, which you proved yourself.
    ha...ha...ha...i am done.
    Yes, you are.

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    But your opinion means nothing since you aren't going to vote for a republican in the primaries. So my original point stands. You are as worthless as a democratic strategist giving republicans advice or analyzing them.

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    ha...ha...ha...i am done.

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    steer clear logic. cd is driving by.

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    Steer clear, easily verifiable common knowledge -- spursncowboys is ignoring you.
    ha...ha...ha...i am done.

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