Duncan for $11mil per seems like a bargain tbh.
btw, the Spurs, even in championship years, have never really overspent to build a roster. Which makes the 4 they have pretty incredible. Especially considering most of the teams that have won, over the same period of time, all had a significantly higher than average payroll.
Spurs fans are goofy
I realize it's a business, but there's no way Duncan should ever play for another team, and I'm sure the Spurs front office have no plans to push him in that direction. They'll pay him, he'll play, he'll retire, and that's the way it should be.
I don't think there's much to talk about. Duncan will decide how much he wants and the Spurs will pay it. If Duncan accepts less so the team can try to get a good player, then that's what happens. That was the situation last time and Tim took less. Who knows what he'll do next? Either way, be realistic, the window has closed. Enjoy the oxygen while it lasts. No reason to avoid reality: all things eventually come to an end.
I had my misgivings about the RJ trade. I thought the only way it would work is if they could transfer RJ into Bowen 2.0 with better offense. Even then that money would have been better spent on a bigman.
Tim took less so they could waste money on Bonner and RJ.
What money?
A lot of fans still don't understand this.
With or without R.J's new deal, Spurs would have only been able to use the MLE to bring in a free agent(s) each off-season (2010 and 2011). They couldn't use the 9 million per they gave R.J on free agents from other teams because of the team being over the cap with Tim, Manu and Tony under contract. How hard is it for people to understand this?
One could say that MaNu4Tres just delivered therealtruth.
What I meant is instead of trading for RJ they should have traded for a good big man. I would much rather be over the cap and have decent bigs than be over the cap with RJ and no bigs.
with or without overpaying that clown rj
it really didnt make a difference whether the team had money to sign anyway, this team will always be a high seed and first round exit, with late draft picks, shouldve just kept his original contract and paid the luxury tax since its basically the same roster with nothing improved at all....our position has not change much since acquiring this turd
The Spurs wouldn't have an extra $9m of cap space if they didn't tender RJ an offer after he opted out of the last year of his previous contract?
No they wouldn't have.
Even if R.J wasn't on the Spurs, they would have still been over the cap with Tim, Manu and Tony under contract.
So many people don't understand this.
All I care is that we are taking positive steps to the future in getting better. I loved what we did last year in getting Kawhi I think that was a big deal but then we goosed on our pick CJ "If no one was good enough should have just traded or gotten second rounder"
Going into next season I know even if we have money we are terrible at attracting free agents. It is not our team it is the city.."See Charles Barkley Comments". I hope we can bring over Lobrek which will help us with a true big....If we bring over Lobrek then hope we can let RJ go by drafting Jeffrey Taylor or Quincy Miller at SF.
Duncan is a cool cat and he will get what he should get nothing less nothing more.
Last edited by BackHome; 03-10-2012 at 03:47 PM.
What people don't understand is that it was bad business to give proven playoff chokers 50M (RJ + Bonner) when they are known failures. If they would have simply let RJ play out his original contract, not only would he have been more appealing expiring contract in a time of need, but they would have had more flexibility (even if it was just the MLE) to sign players.
It was not a basketball decision; The Spurs with the luxury tax hit they were going to pay that year was about equal to what RJ's extension would be since he got them under the LT line that year. Instead of biting the bullet, they decided to keep RJ, hamstring themselves like you see now with little to no ability to make any changes to a team that desperately needed changes.
I understand MLE money doesn't guarantee the Spurs any players as we have seen, but at least RJ would be off the damn team instead of infecting the team like a cancer (not his locker room actions, but his energy and terrible play are like a sickness).
Signing RJ+Matt to 50M was a terrible basketball move and financial move.
Previous discussions:
So Spurs will be a legit le contender next year because of RJ?
Signing RJ to a big long term contract won't really help Spurs in the short term and will hurt them in the long term when they won't be able to quickly rebuild the team because or his contract.
Jefferson's opt out pays off in new deal with Spurs by David Aldridge
Jefferson will make back all of the $15 million he gave up this year -- he will earn more than $27 million in the first three years of the deal -- and now has some security that he will not be a free agent in a summer where the possibility of a lockout by owners to get a new Collective Bargaining Agreement is increasingly likely.
By bringing Jefferson back for almost $7 million less than than he was scheduled the make, the Spurs were also able to bring over their 2007 first-round pick, Brazilian center Tiago Splitter -- considered the best big man in Europe -- and re-sign forward Matt Bonner for less in total than what they would have paid for Jefferson alone under his old deal. Splitter, who should be a significant part of the rotation next season, agreed to a three-year, $10 million deal, and Bonner returned to San Antonio on a four-year deal.
Bump.
So KG gets $34 million over three years. Something similar for Duncan would be great for the Spurs, especially if the third year is only partially guaranteed.
If I had to guess, I'd say Duncan is going to get something like two years and $25 million.
*cue spoiled spurs fans who don't think Duncan is worth more than $8 million*
Now this time, you legitimately changed.
BTW, my inflation math was a fail. It's actually closer to $12.8 million ... but point somewhat remains.
Called that one - RJ trade makes a lot more sense. Cap space wasn't an option, only move to try and contend was a trade.Holy
Spurs using Timvp to tell us there is a big trade coming. As Bruno pointed out, cap space isn't the goal; it's winning time
That is it was an awesome trade
offer duncan 5 years with buyout options for year 3-5
spurs then buy duncan out when he wants to retire and spurs sign duncan for a 5 year contract for 40 million contract and spurs have more capspace
Notch Lower.
Yeah, $11-12 million per seems like fair market value for Tim, and honestly, the Spurs owe him more than that.
DPG21920 whining in this thread that the Spurs were on a "3 to 6 year farewell tour" now he's flooding the thread claiming how right he was because the Spurs almost won the championship? Even though he had a meltdown when they came up short? Yeah, doesn't make sense to me either.
Back on topic, the Spurs picking up Green's and especially Mills' QO tells me they are: 1) confident Duncan is coming back 2) preparing to pay him at least $10 million per year 3) not worried about him asking for a huge amount of money
^ LJ going HAM on shorty.
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