Yeah, he's perfectly capable of walking away from everything without faking his death.
I can understand why he would want to fake Batman's death, but theres no reason he cant move to Florence with Anne Hathaway as Bruce Wayne.
Again, just more gimmicky writing from Nolan and more defensive Nolanites.
Don't know that I'd use American Psycho as my go-to example of an ambiguous ending, but that's beside the point.
The spinning top in Inception can be seen as a tacked on, ambiguous, maybe-twist, and I can understand why it might be unsatisfying as such, but I don't think that's the only way to read that moment. Rather than hinting at the "is it all a dream?" question, I think the spinning top has more to do with Cobb's catharsis. We don't see it fall because he doesn't see it fall, which calls attention to the fact he willfully walked away. He's at peace with his current situation and his current location, which is what he's longed for since the beginning of the film
I don't want you to believe anything, I'm just saying that there's nothing in the film itself that says Bane wasn't born and/or raised in the prison.
You can slam the script all you want for not specifically answering that question or not specifically giving us Bane's origin, and though our opinion of its effect on the finished film would likely differ, I'd back that up. But you can't slam the script for making you think Bane was born in the prison and then saying he wasn't, because it doesn't do that. It clarifies what is said earlier, it lets both the viewers and Batman know that their assumptions were wrong, but it doesn't actually contradict or negate anything in doing so.
All the spinning top talk is stupid, anyway. Everyone on both sides of the argument consistantly ignores or forgets the fact that the totem only tells you if you're in someone else's dream; it acts exactly the way you expect it to act if you're locked in your own dream.
It's a movie...
based on a comic book...
da_suns_fan is an entertaining read.
I like Nolan's films. Memento is bloody great but Dark Knight Rises is very very average
That was Nolan's official response but i call "BS". If the scene was meant to convey that "Cobb" no longer cared, then it would make more sense to have him simply throw the top in the garbage or toss it to the side. As in "i dont care if im still dreaming, Im just happy to be here."
Instead, we see him spin the top and walk off to see his children while the audience/camera pans to the top still spinning. Any empirical catharsis is completely overshadowed by the fact that Nolan introduces a new cheap "twist" at the end to make the audience question whether he's still dreaming. How many people walked out of the theater saying "wow he really changed" versus "was he still dreaming"?
As for the Bane born in prison stuff, I understand what youre saying. But I feel the film goes over the top with misdirection (the flash-backs show a kid with a boys hair cut) and has an absurd origin plot for "Miranda Tate" to explain why she was born in a prison, why he was also in the prison, how they both escaped from the prison and yet why he was also exiled from the "League of Shadows" by her father despite saving his daughters life.
btw - I LOOOOOOVE American Psycho so back off!!
Better stop while Im ahead!
DSF OUT!
From "such a film" to very very average. Make up your ing mind.
I did, for one. From the first time I saw the movie until now, I never once thought the spinning top at the end was intended to make us think Cobb was in a dream (or that he may have been in a dream without knowing it at any other point in the film, as so many theories have suggested), and my comments in the lengthy Inception thread from two years ago reflect that fact. In fact, my argument in that thread was that the film was completely straightforward and that everyone, whether they loved or hated it, was way overthinking things.
Of course it tries to misdirect. There's no question that bit is intended as a shocking reveal. And it does so by specifically exploiting the fact it's so close to Bane's origin in the comics. As I said in my initial response in one of the other threads, I don't think the reveal is particularly effective (in part because Tom Hardy's trapezius long ago became so thoroughly lodged in my memory as to make it impossible to conceal with thin robes), but it doesn't completely remove the possibility that Bane also grew up in the prison.
As do I. I just don't think it's terribly ambiguous. Or that it tries to be. It may not be clear at the end of the film or the novel just what has occurred in Bateman's head and what has occurred in real life, but unanswered questions aren't the same thing as ambiguity. The latter suggests a possibility that everything happened exactly as it is presented to the viewer/reader, but both Ellis and Harron are VERY clear in establishing Bateman as an unreliable narrator.btw - I LOOOOOOVE American Psycho so back off!!
But, ultimately, that's a minor nitpick. I get why people call it ambiguous, even though I wouldn't necessarily choose it as an example.
You seriously have something wrong with your life if all you do is follow what I post
From "such a film" to very very average. Make up your ing mind.
why do you avoid the criticism?
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Show me on the doll where Mr. Nolan touched you.
Didn't Nolan get nominated for Inception and Memento?
who was the Igmo that wrote the script to Myra Breckinridge?
Dude are you the monosylab1k from mavtalk?
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