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    Really though, I respect your beliefs, but if you want answers you can find them. That's all there really is to it.
    you cant say you respect them then say "lol fish to human." i also dont really have beliefs, per se. i do my best to draw conclusions based on what is presented, and i'm not afraid to accept that there are things we just don't know yet. there was a time people didn't know wtf lightning was. there was a time we had no understanding at all about matter. atoms, elements, etc.
    The answers are there if you look for them, you don't want to though. You're reading with an agenda.
    the issue is you seem to be ignoring inconsistencies/fallacies because you yourself are reading with an agenda.

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    I don't see what you're trying to get at. It says he created man on the 6th and then rested on the 7th. That's all it says. It doesn't say how long it took to talk to man.
    you told me that in the context of the story of genesis, a day was 1,000 years or so. where is this milennium long gap?

    God told Noah that it would rain for 40 days and 40 nights. those were god's word. from God's perspective. did he mean 40,000 years?

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    you told me that in the context of the story of genesis, a day was 1,000 years or so. where is this milennium long gap?

    God told Noah that it would rain for 40 days and 40 nights. those were god's word. from God's perspective. did he mean 40,000 years?
    No, because he was speaking to Noah. Noah is a man, not God. If he said 40 days then he meant 40 days according to Noah, a human, not God.

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    1,000 years is a ing long time, especially if the young earth model has the earth at something like 6-10 thousand years old. just curious as to which part of biblical history was god absent for 1,000 years

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    you cant say you respect them then say "lol fish to human." i also dont really have beliefs, per se. i do my best to draw conclusions based on what is presented, and i'm not afraid to accept that there are things we just don't know yet. there was a time people didn't know wtf lightning was. there was a time we had no understanding at all about matter. atoms, elements, etc.

    the issue is you seem to be ignoring inconsistencies/fallacies because you yourself are reading with an agenda.
    What fallacies?

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    No, because he was speaking to Noah. Noah is a man, not God. If he said 40 days then he meant 40 days according to Noah, a human, not God.
    well, the bible is the word of god told to a human (it was, of course, written by human hand)

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    1,000 years is a ing long time, especially if the young earth model has the earth at something like 6-10 thousand years old. just curious as to which part of biblical history was god absent for 1,000 years
    What are you even talking about? What point of created man on the 6th and rested on the 7th do you not understand?

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    I made no claim as to your position; only that the video itself presented a strawman argument as to what (the creator of the video's) stereotypical view of a christian family was.



    The bulk of disrespect in my diatribe was aimed (at least I think) at Christians themselves, and their denial of science and their own (alleged) intelligence.



    All of my bible citations were aimed specifically at Christians - I offer them as proof to a non-believer pretty much never (about as unproductive an enterprise as I could imagine). The apparent, obvious, disconnects/immorality etc.. riddled throughout the bible are what they are. I read the bible as a ra bi instructed me to - through interpretation. Jesus taught in parables all the time, if the Bible is his father's work (inspired or whatever), I can only imagine he did so, as well. I am a Christian, so I start with the Gospels - the actual actions and words of Christ, and study the rest of the bible through that lens. Many Christians consider all parts of the bible equal. I do not. It cannot be, after all - there are contradictions all over the place.



    I am afraid you are going to be disappointed, and probably never satisfied that there is a God. I believe, however, that your skepticism will not be looked on as unfavorably as MANY Christians believe. God made you a skeptic, after all. He understands why you question. But if Jesus's sacrifice was enough to get my sorry ass eternal salvation, it's good enough for your's, too. I know your a dad - and you know how you ALWAYS give your kids second, third and fourth chances (1, 2, 3, 3 1/2, 3 3/4, 3 7/8....) I know plenty of good people who happen to be non-believers. I don't think they are going to . Most Christians don't hold that view. Parts of the Bible directly contradict that view....

    Regarding learning ancient languages; again that was aimed at Christians and their reliance on the text of the Bible. EVEN reading in Aramaic, Latin, Hebrew or Greek wouldn't matter - the Bible is still (obviously) the work of man - that is as apparent as the fact that evolution happens...
    I have always said on this site that I am a Christian and more specifically a Catholic, but I have no insecurities in that regard that compels me to defend my faith from the more fanatical atheists on here or the fanatical theists on here.
    I was once atheistic or agnostic myself too so I understand where they are coming from.
    But all along I was seeking the truth, and I feel I am one of the fortunate ones to have found it.
    It didn't come to me in the usual methods as in books or preachers or religious people, rather it came from deep within myself.

    You mention that you know plenty of good people who happen to be atheists. So do I. And I know plenty of very bad people who are Christians.
    The good Christians I know vary in their beliefs but almost none of them would ever say that an atheist is for sure going to . Even Pope Francis says an atheist can go to Heaven because we are all judged by our ACTS. In other words, anyone can get there depending on how we live our lives and doing the WORK of God even though we do not believe in Him.
    Of course, an atheist also does not believe in Heaven and so to them it is not an issue as long as they lead a good, productive, and giving life.
    As I said before, when you get down to the basics, it isn't necessarily what you believe or Who you believe in, it is rather HOW you live your life.
    Most of the atheists and theists I know have no problems with each other, they are secure within themselves and get along with each other famously, and would never ridicule the other for their individual beliefs or disbeliefs.
    Those who do this, like on here, are as far from being God like and human as you can get.
    And I dare say they are probably very unhappy and goalless in their real lives as they portray themselves to be in this forum.
    But it is their own fault and no others.
    Because they are free to be whatever they wish, they control their own destinies.

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    Is that what your ex wife reduced you to? Fantasizing about other men online. Poor bas .
    this deep seeded hatred towards gays says at least one of two things, maybe both:

    1) you're a closet sexual that's fronting

    2) you're incredibly unintelligent

    now fantasize some more about my sexual orientation, Bible beater.

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    What are you even talking about? What point of created man on the 6th and rested on the 7th do you not understand?
    you told me these "days" are roughly 1,000 years though

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    Day when speaking about God= a thousand years.
    Day when speaking about man means 24 hour day.

    Even today "day" has different meaning when used in different context.

    I could say "back in my day", does that mean a specific date or various days in general?

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    you told me these "days" are roughly 1,000 years though
    I did, what is your point?

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    Day when speaking about God= a thousand years.
    Day when speaking about man means 24 hour day.

    Even today 'day" has different meaning when used in different context.

    I could say "back in my day", does that mean a specific date or various days in general?
    so how can you possibly know when a day actually meant a day, when it meant a milennium? for all you know, god in fact meant a single earth day in the book of genesis and he literally made the earth and life in a week. maybe in the book of genesis, god meant an hour when he said day, and that he claims to have made earth and life in a span of 7 hours

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    I did, what is your point?
    so with that line of reasoning God rested for roughly 1,000 years (the 7th day, where day is roughly 1,000 years)

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    so how can you possibly know when a day actually meant a day, when it meant a milennium? for all you know, god in fact meant a single earth day in the book of genesis and he literally made the earth and life in a week.
    Because the author is referring to "day" in Gods viewpoint, not a mans.

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    Because the author is referring to "day" in Gods viewpoint, not a mans.
    when god told the author a day, he meant 1,000 years, but when he told Noah a day, he meant a day? how could you possibly know that. who are you to tell what viewpoint god was talking in?

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    I did, what is your point?
    So when the Bible says Adam lived to be 960 years old, are we still using day = 1000 years math?

    you're so re ed

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    when god told the author a day, he meant 1,000 years, but when he told Noah a day, he meant a day? how could you possibly know that. who are you to tell what viewpoint god was talking in?
    Because they were talking about God, how can I make it any clearer? God was talking to Noah, a man, why would he tell Noah 40 days and mean 40,000 days when he knew Noah was a man and to him day meant around a 24 hour period.

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    apparently robdiaz is a prophet who can tell us when god was talking in a certain viewpoint, and when he was talking in a different viewpoint. only the great robdiaz knows when God meant day = day or when day = 1,000 years

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    So when the Bible says Adam lived to be 960 years old, are we still using day = 1000 years math?

    you're so re ed
    No, because it is referring to a human. LOL YOUR EX WIFE

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    Because they were talking about God, how can I make it any clearer? God was talking to Noah, a man, why would he tell Noah 40 days and mean 40,000 days when he knew Noah was a man and to him day meant around a 24 hour period.
    God was talking to the author, a man. why would he tell the author 1 day and mean 1,000 days when he knew the author was a man and to him day meant around a 24 hour period

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    So when the Bible says Adam lived to be 960 years old, are we still using day = 1000 years math?

    you're so re ed

    Wait,

    you enrolled your kid in a religious school where she will learn exactly what you are labeling someone "re ed" for -


    I think any reasonable person can conclude that your re -ness will pretty much cause your own kid a lot of grief!



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    Psalm 90:4

    4 For a thousand years are in your eyes just as yesterday when it is past,Just as a watch during the night.

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    God was talking to Noah, a man, why would he tell Noah 40 days and mean 40,000 days when he knew Noah was a man and to him day meant around a 24 hour period.
    God was talking to the author, a man. why would he tell the author 1 day and mean 1,000 days when he knew the author was a man and to him day meant around a 24 hour period
    throwing your own logic back at your face
    responding with more from Psalms

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    No, because it is referring to a human. LOL YOUR EX WIFE
    Lol making up

    Lol re

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