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    Also, you're missing a key point that most garbage man traffic accidents happen with man vs vehicle. Whereas the cop is in vehicle vs vehicle accidents more predominantly, probably. I doubt you're going to find a whole lot of guys in the cab of the garbage truck dying from vehicle collisions.

    Last error, we do not all have equal liklihood of dying in traffic accidents. If you drive for a living, in addition to all of your personal driving, you are at incrementally greater risk. That incremental risk is work-related, as it doesn't exist for someone that doesn't do that same driving for their job.

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    I don't think military should go away. I just think it's ridiculous the praise that's showered upon them these days. I don't think there should be animosity towards the military like during Vietnam, but what's with the over glorification? It's just silly and unnecessary. Like America NEEDS heroes to look up to. I gotta hand it to Uncle Sam, he's done his job and the war machine will always keep rolling
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    What's hilarious is that if its so easy & they get paid so much and they get all this praise why didn't lil mo join?

    Tbh, if he believes what he's saying it should be a no brainer & he can coast to riches while being adored by all.
    Nobody in the military is coasting to riches, I knew that a LONG time ago. Truth be had I did enlist just after 2001 but not enough time had passed since a shoulder surgery. By the time I qualified I had wised up and cooled down about 9/11 It would have been a great opportunity but things have worked out well for me anyway

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    I don't think military should go away. I just think it's ridiculous the praise that's showered upon them these days. I don't think there should be animosity towards the military like during Vietnam, but what's with the over glorification? It's just silly and unnecessary. Like America NEEDS heroes to look up to. I gotta hand it to Uncle Sam, he's done his job and the war machine will always keep rolling
    Some of it may be over-the-top praise, but the criticism is over the top, as well. This is what draws out those that defend the troops. Not all of them are worthy of praise, and not all of them are doing anything dangerous, and some of them might not have been able to get a job doing anything else, but when the critics start using those groups as typical examples of who we are showing support for when we show our support, you can see where there might be some ire drawn.

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    It's not the job, it's the product I'm appreciative of. I like that my trashcans are emptied twice a week, but I'm much happier that my daughter is alive. I'm not changing my argument, we've just established that I'm more appreciative of the surgeon that saved my daughters life than I am of people who have regular jobs like trash collectors and soldiers. I don't know how anyone could think differently .
    Right with the doctors, but degrading the military rule in our lives is non-acceptable. You did not send those trash can collectors to set up camps to control the spread and quarantine ebola patients in Africa. You used the military to do it for you and for those people.

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    Like I said, the logic is poor. It's not even that I entirely disagree with the main premise, but your line of thinking (i.e. it's a paid job, so it's the same) is dumb.

    I don't necessarily think all soldiers deserve praise, but I also don't begrudge people or communities that have ties to military their right to celebrate them. It's also kind of odd, because your logic almost points to the fact that they don't deserve to be celebrated because they weren't drafted and because there isn't a war that is meaningful. Well, just because over the years the military has done their job and theres nothing going on (largely due to their patrol) doesn't mean it's not a valuable job.

    That's a "what have you done for me lately" scenario to the extreme. It's more about honoring the tradition that allowed us to get to this point more than anything IMO.

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    Right with the doctors, but degrading the military rule in our lives is non-acceptable. You did not send those trash can collectors to set up camps to control the spread and quarantine ebola patients in Africa. You used the military to do it for you and for those people.
    I didn't use the military for anything, they did that on their own.

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    Hoops for Troops on NBATV

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    lol shove off, pussy
    I am what I eat!

    With that logic, you must be your mom's big fat !

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    people in this thread continuing to argue about dangers of garbage men

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    I'm not kidding about anything. US soldiers aren't fighting for freedom. Who's threatening my freedom? Is a country invading the US? I can fight and protect myself if that ever happens. I'd probably die fairly quickly but hey, that would really be dying for my freedom.
    , you'd run for your freedom. Don't even play. And yes, if they caught you, you'd die quickly.

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    US soldiers aren't fighting for freedom. Who's threatening my freedom? Is a country invading the US?
    So, our enemies have to invade the U.S. before we protect ourselves? Did Hitler invade the U.S. ? Did the Japanese? Should we have stayed out of those wars too or did fighting in them make us baby-killers? Did you ever think for one second that no one is currently threatening your freedom because the most powerful military in the world is a pretty strong deterrent? Dude, stop sharing your links to where you get your ignorant propaganda.



    Its bad enough that your Spurs' takes are awful, now this...

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    I'm crushed, and you're on display as a piece of . No surprise you missed the whole point, dumbass. But, kudos. Yes. The word "European" is in the dictionary. You get a gold star.
    what's your freaking whole point dummy ?... that without military Putin would invade Europe ?

    What prevent Putin to not invade Europe is called nuclear threat... I guess we should give a huge round of applause to Oppenheimer and French and UK scientists to give their country a nuclear arsenal

    you were on display to be a piece of on your bb takes, ebola and now that... keep the good work got

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    Like I said, the logic is poor. It's not even that I entirely disagree with the main premise, but your line of thinking (i.e. it's a paid job, so it's the same) is dumb.

    I don't necessarily think all soldiers deserve praise, but I also don't begrudge people or communities that have ties to military their right to celebrate them. It's also kind of odd, because your logic almost points to the fact that they don't deserve to be celebrated because they weren't drafted and because there isn't a war that is meaningful. Well, just because over the years the military has done their job and theres nothing going on (largely due to their patrol) doesn't mean it's not a valuable job.

    That's a "what have you done for me lately" scenario to the extreme. It's more about honoring the tradition that allowed us to get to this point more than anything IMO.
    Nobody is saying it's not a valuable job, of course it is a valuable job... the whole point is about over glorification of a job. Military became a job a long time ago... over the whole military guys only a fraction are putting their lives in danger not because there is no conflict but becaise the support areas became much much bigger than guys on operation.

    what is poor logic is to give round of applause on every occasion for whatever dude with a military outfit and not for firemen, surgeons, ya in some cases policemen, scientists.... Freedom and peace are more linked to nuclear threat than any military operations or forces. If not for nuclear threat, India and Pakistan would already be a bloodbath... not saying something very bad won't happen there but if you want to thank somebody for freedom and peace give a statue to Oppenheimer

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    , you'd run for your freedom. Don't even play. And yes, if they caught you, you'd die quickly.
    We aren't all pussies like you, tbh.

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    Let's compare to yours to be more specific:

    Him: Get up before dawn, kevlar vest, primary weapon, side arm, full battle gear, possibly a ruck.. convoy of tanks or armament, moving though hostile territory where people are trying to kill you.

    You: Get up before dawn, put on your Taco Bell manager suit, drive to the local convenience store for cheap coffee and gas, go to Taco Bell, panic because most people called in again, lock yourself in your small office and post on ST about your home in Breck.

    Yeah, I see a difference.

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    We aren't all pussies like you, tbh.
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    Robdiaz training for ISIS invasion:



    Protect us Robby!!
    Son of a where did you find my pics?

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    What the is wrong with being a manager at Taco Bell lol

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    I just listed the options that OP was referencing. There's two sides: OP side that thinks in terms of the two options & the other side that doesnt agree with that (I.E. People join out of pride/duty & believe the wars they fight are for what's being said at face value).

    My entire family (except me) was military & while I believe much of what you said there's a lot of hyperbole too. I have personally known several people who took the decision to enroll lightly. They used it as a last ditch effort to overcome the troubles they got into and/or because they had limited other options. I also know people that actively decided to go & several that did so after they obtained their college degrees (from Westpoint or other schools).
    This is exactly the point I want to make. This thread is clearly targeting ALL military personnel. Hence, why I took offense.

    I understand very well that there are some bad apples in the military as I have personally known some of them, however, I have also known the good ones. OP claims he is too smart to join the service, however, this is clearly only based on stereotype and normally that isn't a very smart thing to do.

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    I'm just saying I'm not buying it, I'm not falling for it. Military is necessary but not more important than any of the other necessary roles that people play to make world turn
    Isn't there a Labor day as well? That is a holiday to celebrate the working people of the USA. You don't see me bashing all employees saying they don't deserve any praise. Why? Because I know better.

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    Hard to imagine so many upset with or unappreciative of the military.

    Who would have thought?

    But it's a free country, so all opinions and feelings are represented.

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    Appreciate a "job"
    Your fault for joining when something happens

    Not sure why everyone has to aprreciate what they do. It's pretty big in the US and i don't get why...

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    Yes appreciate a bunch of coward soldiers.

    They went into Iraq knowing very well it had no WMDs, however if Iraq did have WMDs they wouldn't dare invade it.

    North Korea was showing off it's WMDs live on television, yet all they can do is condemn it and not invade it. My definition of cowards.

    Now they face a challenge with ISIS, but this "superpower" is going around the world begging other nations to fight in the frontline, my definition of cowards.

    If I was Canada, Turkey, KSA, UAE, Jordan, etc, I would simply tell them "you went into Iraq with a fake WMD stories and created this mess to begin with, now FIX it on your own cowards".

    I truly despise american politicians, such evil human devils. And these soldiers are too dumb to be appreciated in the first place.

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    Yes appreciate a bunch of coward soldiers.

    They went into Iraq knowing very well it had no WMDs, however if Iraq did have WMDs they wouldn't dare invade it.

    North Korea was showing off it's WMDs live on television, yet all they can do is condemn it and not invade it. My definition of cowards.

    Now they face a challenge with ISIS, but this "superpower" is going around the world begging other nations to fight in the frontline, my definition of cowards.

    If I was Canada, Turkey, KSA, UAE, Jordan, etc, I would simply tell them "you went into Iraq with a fake WMD stories and created this mess to begin with, now FIX it on your own cowards".

    I truly despise american politicians, such evil human devils. And these soldiers are too dumb to be appreciated in the first place.
    Wow, such vehemence!

    Sure, the politicians are not great, maybe even bad.

    But evil human devils?

    Such harshness, such animosity!

    As bad as they are, name me one country with better.


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