Pacers have traded this pick to the Spurs for George Hill sources say

[Aztecfan03]

Yeah, proclaiming that Leonard's ceiling was Marion wasn't one of his better prognostications. Still, better than the guys that said the Spurs screwed up by drafting Leonard over Singleton.

He got the Marion comparison from draft sites that said it was Leonard's best case. If you look back at this thread, Hoops Czar failed worse than anyone else in here.

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

Funny you didn't quote this last year in Game 6

[apalisoc_9]

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[Aztecfan03]

I don't get the Marion hate in this thread. Sure he was never finals mvp worthy, but he was a damn good player and very multi-tool in his own right. Fantastic defender and rebounder and just never really developed the ability to create his own shot. I mean FFS he had a season of 22 and 12 with 2 steals and 2 blocks per game.

That said, Leonard is a phenom. I can't WAIT to see our first game against OKC next year. After what Durant said, Leonard is gonna feast on dat dude.

Ummmm. In this thread, you said Shawn Marion blows.

[ElNono]

A contradiction right there. Leonard isn't going to supply instant stability at the small forward position. , he isn't even going to see the court his first few seasons. Parker is as good as gone when Duncan retires which could come as soon as next season. They traded away a starting SG, who even with his ups and downs, was the one and only valuable trade chip the Spurs had at their disposal who could have brought in proven talent. They pissed it all away on a future maybe, a future shawn Marion best case scenario. Shawn Marion BLOWS!!!

[Cry Havoc]

, he isn't even going to see the court his first few seasons.

[ElNono]

Spurs FO has their heads in a fox hole. Indiana stole Hill for practically nothing. The Spurs can't possibly be done making trades or the Spurs are looking five years down the line and canning the present.

Just pathetic!!!!

[ElNono]

How does this help the Spurs win now or rebuild

I get what your saying and I understand the logic behind the move. I'm breaking it down like this: spurs aren't any closer to truly contending because of the move. They didn't do any thing to help usher in a rebuild either.

[ElNono]

Yeah, shooters that die in the clutch. Leonard won't see the court during the regular season let alone the playoffs. By the time he sees the court regularly, you won't have to worry about getting bounced in the first round. The Spurs will be playing the role of spoilers.

[ElNono]

I was all in on Hill and Blair for Love.

You're just trolling, right?

[ElNono]

He's only incredibly bargain if he plays and contributes on a regular basis. If he's riding the pine, he's useless. I'm not one for collecting bigs just for the sake of having bigs on the roster. For a player averaging 1.7 minutes/game, that's about right. He's still got a lot to prove and as far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on him.

Not sure why you included Bargnani. He's at level Splitter can't touch.

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[manufan10]

Hoops Czar with the bads per par.

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[Sean Cagney]

Hoops Czar with the bads per par.

This guy never says anything positive about the Spurs at all, it's always downing the team or a player TBH. He claims he has given them credit but I don't remember! You would swear they are the worst team in sports if you go by his takes.

[Brazil]

Going through the thread, most had solid view and takes on the move in particular, Many, Kori and others tbh

went through nonostradamus post, nothing close to takes about Spurs doing a desperate move tho

[Brazil]

RealSkipBayless Skip Bayless
Liked Spurs trade. George Hill too inconsistent, underconfident. KLeonard a steal at 15. Blue-collar toughness will help. Nice little move.

dat Bayless take

It appears it is probably the biggest Spurs move since they drafted Tim

[ElNono]

I didn't go through the whole thing, I probably had some hits and misses too, tbh. I did call it a gamble and mentioned the Spurs would have to eventually get better through trades, which they did (RJ for Jack, which was crucial alongside bringing in Boris).

8/10

[ElNono]

In hindsight it was a huge move for a franchise that rarely did much in the top spots in the draft due largely to it's success... desperate times called for desperate measures, tbh...

I still can't talk about George Hill, tbh... he always was a standup guy with us, even if he was limited.

[Brazil]

I didn't go through the whole thing, I probably had some hits and misses too, tbh. I did call it a gamble and mentioned the Spurs would have to eventually get better through trades, which they did (RJ for Jack, which was crucial alongside bringing in Boris).

8/10

more hits than misses tbh
you got some good nonostradamus going on dat thread

but yep no sign of Spurs doing anything close to desperate

[ElNono]

Disagree. I think this move had desperation written all over it... it was clear at this point RJ was a cancer and the team leader at the time lost faith in winning another championship...

That said, don't think the FO gets enough credit for basically turning around the roster in a matter of a season or two. Obviously, some long-term things fell in place too (Splitter), but GOAT stuff, tbh

[RD2191]

Unless the Spurs move RJ, this guy likely won't have a chance to do anything
Hill was a very good rotation player. I'm not against trading Hill, but why for this?

[Brazil]

Disagree. I think this move had desperation written all over it... it was clear at this point RJ was a cancer and the team leader at the time lost faith in winning another championship...

That said, don't think the FO gets enough credit for basically turning around the roster in a matter of a season or two. Obviously, some long-term things fell in place too (Splitter), but GOAT stuff, tbh

don't forget Duncan playing better today than 5 years ago

[Mel_13]

Disagree. I think this move had desperation written all over it... it was clear at this point RJ was a cancer and the team leader at the time lost faith in winning another championship...

That said, don't think the FO gets enough credit for basically turning around the roster in a matter of a season or two. Obviously, some long-term things fell in place too (Splitter), but GOAT stuff, tbh

In less than two years, from the end of the 2010 playoffs until March of 2012, the Spurs added Splitter, Green, Leonard, Diaw, and Mills. The only real asset they surrendered was Hill. They also traded RJ and the 30th pick in the 2012 draft for Jack and more than 10 million dollars in salary savings.

[DPG21920]

So basically the unthinkable happened and the Spurs moved RJ. When RJ was still a Spur, he was starting and Kawhi was glued to the bench. Then he was moved and that opened up time. That was one of my biggest beefs with the original trade (RJ still being here) as I've mentioned 100 times