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    our crime rate isn't out of line with industrialized countries, but the rate of violent deaths is.

    why do you suppose that is, TB?

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    absent the prevalence of guns, these wouldn't so deadly in the USA.
    Venezuela says o.

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    apples and oranges. we ain't Venezuela.

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    Having to dig out third world stats to make 1st world USA gun death rates ok

    Still waiting for the ol' "but but but what about Russia?? "

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    apples and oranges. we ain't Venezuela.
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    Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
    Poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, no father, glorified gang culture.



    absent the prevalence of guns, these wouldn't so deadly








    I think comparing the US's inner cities is a very fair comparison. There isn't a prevalence of guns in Venezuela, why so many homicides?

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    Having to dig out third world stats to make 1st world USA gun death rates ok

    Still waiting for the ol' "but but but what about Russia?? "
    The U.S. is in the bottom half of total murders out of 200 countries. I'm okay with that considering most countries are very geneous.

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    The lawlessness of MesoAmerica now is directly descendent from Useful Idiot St Ronnie ing around down there in the 80s to destabilize "socialist" democratic govts, arming the anti-govt forces which learned how to shoot, kill and take over and continue to make their own gang laws.

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    I think comparing the US's inner cities is a very fair comparison. There isn't a prevalence of guns in Venezuela, why so many homicides?
    You mention Venezuela, a borderline 3rd world country in which gun violence will always be prevalent, anti gun laws or not. What about the many 1st world countries in the OP listed, that all to varying degrees have stricter gun controls than the USA?

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    our crime rate isn't out of line with industrialized countries, but the rate of violent deaths is.

    why do you suppose that is, TB?
    Guns are brutally efficient.
    But they are not pulling their own triggers nor formenting intent.
    That's where the work begins

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    Having to dig out third world stats to make 1st world USA gun death rates ok

    Still waiting for the ol' "but but but what about Russia?? "

    Ok then. Forget comparisons to other countries. Just focus on the U.S.

    Where are the "hot spots" for gun homicides in the U.S. and what do they have in common?

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    What percent of murders are committed with legally owned firearms?
    I'd still like to know the answer to this question.

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    You mention Venezuela, a borderline 3rd world country in which gun violence will always be prevalent, anti gun laws or not. What about the many 1st world countries in the OP listed, that all to varying degrees have stricter gun controls than the USA?
    Let me know when these same countries have the same percentage of African-Americans as the U.S.

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    Ok then. Forget comparisons to other countries. Just focus on the U.S.

    Where are the "hot spots" for gun homicides in the U.S. and what do they have in common?
    those hot spots seem to have something in common with those third world countries at the top of the list I just can put my finger on it.

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    Ok then. Forget comparisons to other countries. Just focus on the U.S.

    Where are the "hot spots" for gun homicides in the U.S. and what do they have in common?
    Systematic poverty? What should we do to keep guns out the hands of the disenfranchised? Arresting them and throwing them in prison hasn't worked.

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    Systematic poverty? What should we do to keep guns out the hands of the disenfranchised? Arresting them and throwing them in prison hasn't worked.
    Not Systematic....Systemic. You cant legislate responsibilty....unfortunately you can punish the irresponsible. But, as you point out, that accomplishes nothing.

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    Systematic poverty? What should we do to keep guns out the hands of the disenfranchised? Arresting them and throwing them in prison hasn't worked.
    So, then there's probably lots of homicides in Appalachia, right?

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    Not Systematic....Systemic. You cant legislate responsibilty....unfortunately you can punish the irresponsible. But, as you point out, that accomplishes nothing.
    Thanks

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    So far, zero solution sets but lots of ing.

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    So, then there's probably lots of homicides in Appalachia, right?
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    Not Systematic....Systemic. You cant legislate responsibilty....unfortunately you can punish the irresponsible. But, as you point out, that accomplishes nothing.
    At a certain point the responsibility falls in the community itself. I feel terrible for the good people who have to live in such a dangerous place. The black community needs more outspoken positive leaders from its community, not race baiters like Al Sharpton.

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    We don't need leaders and whites trot out messy Jackson and AL sharlaton when they want negros to calm down. both of them.

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    We don't need leaders and whites trot out messy Jackson and AL sharlaton when they want negros to calm down. both of them.
    If the black communities don't lead leaders what is your solution to the disproportionate amount of murders black males are committing?

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    U.S. gun violence "dwarfs any deaths that happen through terrorism." - President Barack Obama

    Found Here: http://all-hat-no-cattle.blogspot.com/
    He must be counting the killings done by police.

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    What do these statistics mean? Those are just raw figures.
    Does the method matter?

    If nit guns, knives or something else will be used.

    those wanting to reduce guns with legislation will only disarm those who follow the law. Leave them more susceptible to harm if they cannot defend themselves.

    Do criminals follow gun laws?

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