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the irony...
No Rubio please. Talk about being in donors' pockets:
At Wednesday night’s GOP debate, Rubio was asked about his co-authorship of controversial legislation–- known as the I-Squared bill — that would triple the number of wage-depressing H-1B visas up to 195,000 per year. In Rubio’s home state of Florida, the Walt Disney Company used H-1Bs to lay off hundreds of American workers and force them to train their foreign replacements. Disney’s CEO has endorsed Rubio’s I-Squared bill.
Even Cruz wants to increase H-1B visas. There is no shortage of high-tech workers - US universities graduate thousands of qualified workers every year - these corporations just want cheap labor. My husband (lots of experience) was laid off and looking for a job - one phone call from a recruiter in 7 weeks - that's how bad the job market is.
the irony...
So in other words, their debates are going to be just like the DNC's?
the Dem debate was adults talking about issues, policies, problems discussions, not childish school-yard sniping, insulting, gotchas, serial LIES like the Repug klown show.
You mean softball questions to which Hillary again points out that she's a FEMALE (it's so ridiculous to hear her say that that's how she'd be different from the Obama administration - cringe worthy and this is coming from a female). That childish, school-yard snipping, insulting, gotchas are coming from the very biased mainstream media - did you really listen to the last Republican debate? Even the other MSM was criticizing MNBC.
MSM said CNBCs questions were as "bad" as Fox's "questions" and no Repug klown complained about Fox's "bias".
the Repug klowns are blatantly, complicitly pushing the very old LIE of "librul media bias".
Carson, for one, doesn't want to be CAUGHT LYING again about lucratively pimping for shady supplements, etc, etc.
"hard" questions based on a klown's own words aren't "gotchas".
Gotcha, G.O.P.
Here we go again with attacks on the “mainstream media” and the invocation of the dreaded “gotcha question” to excuse poor performance and intellectual flat-footedness.
After being asked at last week’s debate about his ties to the shady nutritional supplement company Mannatech and saying “I didn’t have an involvement with them” and dismissing claims of a connection as “total propaganda,” Ben Carson called Thursday for an overhaul of Republican debate formats.
“Debates are supposed to be established to help the people get to know the candidate,” Carson said, according to The Washington Post. “What it’s turned into is — gotcha! That’s silly. That’s not helpful to anybody.”
I think the question was a fair one, and I’m not alone. Carson’s business manager,Armstrong Williams, said Thursday on CNN that the question wasn’t a gotcha one but an “absolutely” fair one.
And on the credibility of Carson’s denial, PolitiFact ruled:
“As far as we can tell, Carson was not a paid employee or official endorser of the product. However, his claim suggests he has no ties to Mannatech whatsoever. In reality, he got paid to deliver speeches to Mannatech and appeared in promotional videos, and he consistently delivered glowing reviews of the nutritional supplements. As a world-renowned surgeon, Carson’s opinion on health issues carries weight, and Mannatech has used Carson’s endorsement to its advantage.
“We rate Carson’s claim False.”
The idea of the gotcha question and gotcha journalism have decades-long roots, at least. In 1999, Calvin Trillin in Time Magazine called gotcha journalism, “campaign coverage dominated by attempts to reveal youthful misbehavior.” But the questions the Republican candidates received were not of that genre.
In a 1992 New York Times Magazine article about Barbara Walters, one of her producers told Bill Carter that Walters always went for the “gotcha question, the one that reveals the person.”
But the idea of the “gotcha question” gained new primacy in the 2008 election, when William Safire wrote in The Times of MSNBC’s Chris Matthews’s prediction that “The gotcha politics will begin,” and noted that “Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, used the word in defense of having the audience question candidates at a CNN/YouTube debate instead of allowing reporters to have at his party’s candidates. He preferred to ‘let the American people back in’ than endure questions ‘from a press corps that wants to play gotcha!’ ”
But perhaps it has its most resonance because of its use by the disastrously ill-equipped Republican vice presidential candidate, who repeatedly used the phase as an excuse for her train wreck interviews. Thanks, Pitbull !
Gotcha questions have come to mean any question one doesn’t want to answer, any question whose answer would or could reveal something unflattering. In a way, a question is simply a question and only becomes a gotcha if you, the answerer, feel convicted and unsettled by it. Gotcha is in the mind — and spine — of the interviewee.
Carson simply wasn’t prepared for the Mannatech question and wasn’t completely honest in the answer. If that is gotcha journalism, I’m here for it “every day of the week and twice on Sunday,” to borrow a phrase from Mike Huckabee.
This is not to say that the debate wasn’t a bit of a mess. It was. Nor is it to say that some of the questions weren’t questionable. They were. But questions that seek clarification of a candidate’s past are fair.
Yet Republicans have decided that attacking the media makes good optics. Not only is the party considering overhauling the debate process, it has suspended an upcoming NBC debate because, according to the Republican National Committee chairman, Reince Priebus, “CNBC’s moderators engaged in a series of ‘gotcha’ questions, petty and meanspirited in tone, and designed to embarrass our candidates.”
But gotcha questions aren’t the Republicans’ problem. A frustration among Republican voters with political professionalism and a hodgepodge of fatally flawed candidates is.
The more traditional portion of the Republican field is littered with candidates with strong résumés — I use the word strong here loosely, to mean the existence of governmental experience, not the quality of it — but relatively weak rhetorical skills.
Of the nontraditional lot, there is a former neurosurgeon whose strategy seems to be to appear barely awake while delivering word salads of outlandishness in a murmur, a real-estate mogul full of bluster and bawdiness, and a fired C.E.O. engaged in a breathtaking example of pink-slip revisionism.
Marco Rubio is thought to have won the last debate, not so much because he brilliantly articulated reasonable, or intellectually invigorating policy — “I’m against anything that’s bad for my mother”is a kindergarten truism, not a nuanced policy position — but because he remained relatively even and unperturbed.
And yet, it’s Carson who is now the front-runner, one of the candidates who spoke the least during the last debate and who seemed to want to say nothing at all.
And that candidate is the one worrying about the precious few questions he will have to answer. That is the elephant party’s problem: They’re betting on someone who’s using ostrich logic.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/02/opinion/gotcha-gop.html
GOP Debate Mendacity Shocks Even the Conservatives
For people who so often accuse Hillary Clinton of lying, the Republican presidential candidates seem to feel perfectly free to bend, twist and shred the truth at will. Unsurprisingly, that is just what several of them were caught doing in their free-for-all CNBC debate. They prevaricated about themselves, their policies and their opponents, without blinking an eye—and for the most part, they got away with it.
Do nice people tell self-serving lies? Perhaps they do, because it was terribly nice Ben Carson who uttered one of the most blatant whoppers of the evening.
To loud booing from the partisan audience, moderator Carl Quintanilla asked the soft-spoken neurosurgeon about his long and lucrative involvement with Mannatech, a nutritional supplement manufacturer that has been cited for false health claims for its “glyconutrients.” (How bad was Mannatech? Bad enough to provoke a fraud action brought by Greg Abbott, the former Texas attorney general who is now that state’s very conservative governor.)
Equally mendacious about his own personal history was Marco Rubio, who “won” the debate according to many observers. When Becky Quick of CNBC asked a predictable question about his checked financial affairs, which have included foreclosures, liquidations, phony expense accounts and other embarrassments, the Florida Senator shot back: “You just listed a litany of discredited attacks from Democrats and my political opponents, and I’m not gonna waste 60 seconds detailing them all.”
Discredited attacks? Actually, Quick’s question was premised on facts that are not in dispute—as even Rubio himself acknowledged in his own campaign book. So frontally deceptive was his response that an outraged Joe Scarborough, his fellow Florida Republican, called him out on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” the next day.
“Marco just flat-out lied to the American people there,” Scarborough complained. “And I was stunned that the moderators didn’t stop there and go, ‘Wait a second, these are court records. What are you talking about? ... Becky was telling the truth, Marco was lying. And yet everybody’s going, ‘Oh, Marco was great.’ No, Marco lied about his financials.” Not incidentally, Rubio also lied about the effects of his tax plan, claiming his tax cuts would mostly benefit lower-income families when in fact its biggest benefits would accrue to the top 1 percent, as Republican tax schemes almost always do.
Another brand of lie was pronounced by Carly Fiorina, who drew attention at the last GOP by insisting she had watched a grisly Planned Parenthood video that doesn’t exist. This time, she reached back to the 2012 Republican campaign to invent a factoid about women’s employment.
Fiorina tries to sell herself as the candidate tough enough to take down Clinton, and tries to prove it by making stuff up. At this debate, she huffed:
“It is the height of hypocrisy for Mrs. Clinton to talk about being the first woman president, when every single policy she espouses and every single policy of President Obama has been demonstratively bad for women. Ninety-two percent of the jobs lost during Barack Obama’s first term belonged to women.”
But as Politifact quickly established, that statement was false in every particular. Not only did women not lose “92 percent” of the jobs in Obama’s first term; the number of women employed during the period from January 2009 to January 2013 grew by 416,000. Naturally, as she did with Planned Parenthood, Fiorina angrily repeated the lie when challenged.
Rubio ridiculously claimed that the “mainstream media” is really a Democratic SuperPAC. And now RNC chair Reince Priebus has reneged on the party’s debate agreement with NBC News. He and his candidates just couldn’t handle two hours of sharp but thoroughly polite questioning.
They constantly insult Clinton, but how would any of these slippery blowhards survive something like the 11-hour Benghazi grilling she breezed through on Capitol Hill? If you want to understand who they are, just listen to them whine.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...+the+Headlines
but you rightwingnuts assholes push the klowns' "librul media bias did us wrong" bull while ignoring the numerous, blatant LIES from the Repug klowns.
There are people on the GOP side that I disagree with politically but I think they're decent people (e.g., Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Ben Carson).
But Carly just comes across as a bad person who will say anything to get her way. It was refreshing to see Donald Trump stand up to her, but sadly he backed down under the pressure.
Jeb Bush lies about his 4% FL growth, and screwed FL with charter schools
Kasich is extreme right wing and Warrior on Women.
Carson is at best way out of his depth, is a ing liar.
"decent" is the same as "likeability", "wanna have a beer with"?
Being Pres shouldn't be a beauty/popularity contest, but it is for the American sheeple, World Champions in ignorant superficiality.
All politicians lie about something. Don't tell me Hillary or Bill have perfect records and I like them.
policies and programs and issues SHOULD come first, not likeability.
Yes, I agree. That doesn't refute my point that I think some of the GOP candidates are decent people but just wrong politically.
I will be voting democrat unless Donald Trump gets the nomination just so you know.
Read the new debate host questions Ben Ginsberg has compiled from Republican campaigns
Ben Ginsberg, the Republican attorney who's become the pro bono debate negotiator for frustrated GOP candidates, has amended his initial letter of questions to TV networks.
When Sunday night's meeting of Ginsberg and 13 campaigns concluded, Ginsberg said that he would incorporate their suggestions into a second draft.
That draft is below, though a source cautions that no campaign has signed off on it so far.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...can-campaigns/
let's see:
Repugs klowns demand TOTAL DEFERENCE and FAWNING RESPECT
Absolutely NO IRREVERENCE
Absolutely no quoting from our books, or speeches, or anything we've ever said or done. It's all inoperative!
Absolutely DO NOT CHALLENGE or CONTRADICT anything we say in debate
etc, etc, etc.
Kasich is NOT "extreme right wing." He's the MOST LEFT of all the republican presidential candidates. He expanded Medicaid in Ohio - good luck paying for that a few years down the road - but he probably won't be governor so no skin off his nose.
Charter schools (in Miami) are highly successful - one of the best schools in Miami is a Greek charter school that my daughter's best friend attended (now at Stanford). I know lots of people with kids in them (myself included) and they are good bit better than most public schools which can't get rid of bad teachers and have little flexibility/wiggle-room.
BTW, I'm probably most aligned with Ben Carson but he's too conservative/Christian to win a general election so I'll be voting for Trump in the Florida primary. Hopefully, Trump will get enough of the Independents and dis-enchanted Dems to win a general election vs HRC. I even went to his rally at Doral. Impressive place - the employees take a bus to get from one end to another. Swanky hand towels in the bathroom and great water cups - nice to see how the other half lives
All politicians lie, be they D or R. Most political lies are misleading statements or concealment of items unknown to the public or speculation or exaggeration.
Examples:
1. When Romney said that 20 million people will lose their current insurance due to Obamacare. This was a misleading statement and an exaggeration because (a) this was one of 5 scenarios posited by the CBO, and (b) it included people who voluntarily exit their current plan for a better option.
2. When Clinton said he didn't bang Lewinsky, he was concealing something that wasn't public knowledge at that time
3. When Bush Jr said that Iraq had WMD, that was speculation because the US didn't have solid evidence
4. When Obama claimed that the ACA was saving people money, he was comparing the premium increase post ACA to the rate of increase before the ACA. A misleading statement because he made it sound like an absolute reduction.
Those 4 lies listed above assume that the listener is someone with a basic level of critical thinking. By contrast, what's going on in the GOP primary is hilarious - the candidates are dropping absolute whoppers which are so obvious that they shouldn't fool anyone. Trump coolly disowning a statement from his own campaign website, Fiorina imagining non-existing footage from the PP videos, Rubio denying his do ented financial situation and complaining about media bias, Carson denying association with a company which helped fund his endowed chair at Johns Hopkins in return for appearing in promotional videos, etc.
Clearly the candidates feel that the base doesn't give a damn at this point. They've decided that they can fabricate an alternate reality and still have credibility among registered primary voters. However this will come back to bite the eventual nominee in the general ...
Public schools also can't get rid of the trouble students as easily.
" He's the MOST LEFT of all the republican presidential candidates."
list his positions, actions on the following:
funding planned parenthood
abortion clinics
immigration
voter registration
voting days,
gerrymandering
expanding medicaid
Ohio ACA exchange
OH state employee unions
tax cuts for business and wealthy
anything else that makes him any "less extremist" than the other klowns?
I'd probably rank them from most to least conservative:
1. Cruz
2. Huckabee
3. Carson
4. Paul (libertarian)
5-7. Fiorini
5-7. Rubio
5-7. Bush
8. Christie
9. Trump
10. Kaisch
IMO, Bush, Rubio, Fiorini and Kaisch are RINOs - I'm sick and tired of the establishment politicians.
Republican Tantrum Backfires As Democrats Take Over GOP Presidential Debate Slot
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/02/republican-tantrum-backfires-democrats-gop-presidential-debate-slot.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&ut m_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politicu s+USA+%29
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Good. Dems should have more debates - what do they have now 6? 8? Repubs have 12?
New G.O.P. Debate Format Forbids Questions About Things Candidates Said, Did
NEW YORK — According to a format negotiated between the Republican National Committee and the television networks, future Presidential debates during the 2016 campaign will strictly forbid questions about things the candidates “said” or “did,” the R.N.C. confirmed on Monday.
Reince Priebus, the chairman of the R.N.C., said that the deal addressed the candidates’ concerns about the previously broadcast debates, which he called “abusively fact-based.”
“In some cases, moderators were asking candidates questions about statements they made two or three weeks earlier,” Priebus said. “This new format will eliminate that kind of ancient history.”
Priebus said that the new format would satisfy not only the candidates but also Republican voters, many of whom have complained about moderators’ ”out-of-control obsession with verifiable information.”
“This is a Presidential debate,” Priebus said. “If people want facts, they can watch ‘Jeopardy.’ ”
In the new format, the time previously allotted to questions about things the candidates said or did will now be devoted to questions written by the candidates themselves and read, verbatim, by the moderators.
“Carly Fiorina would very much like to answer the question, ‘How has your experience as the most successful C.E.O. in U.S. history uniquely prepared you to be its greatest President?’ ” Priebus said.
“This new format will let her speak to that.”
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borow...ODAwMTY3ODc4S0
Fiorina Response, "That you recognize me only as the most successful CEO in US history and not as the most successful CEO in World history is another classic example of liberal media bias".
Did Sarah Palin coined the term "gotcha question"? After the unfair questions about what does she read?
all peas in an extreme right wing pod. The differences are so small, if any, you won't list them.
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