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    A far left black judge wouldn't be optimal since it might turn off undecided white yuppie voters while still looking exactly the same to most black voters. Get the moderate appointment and the race card works with both blacks and yuppie+college whites if the Republicans obstruct.
    I say far left because I would be trying to trick the Republicans into obstructing. If he picks some moderate corporate shill house n!gger then the Republicans get their way, won't obstruct and keep their majority.

    The other thing to think about is that if he picks a weak moderate, it adds fuel to Sanders' campaign when Barry is obv going to be pushing for Shillary.

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    A far left black judge wouldn't be optimal since it might turn off undecided white yuppie voters while still looking exactly the same to most black voters. Get the moderate appointment and the race card works with both blacks and yuppie+college whites if the Republicans obstruct.
    I would love to come full circle and have him nominate:



    That dude spoke truth.

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    Yeah, the Democratic party will love Obama for doing something like that. Either (1) the Republicans don't confirm him and the Dems can play the race card and get a strong showing from black voters to take the presidency and the senate or (2) get a judge who won't act any differently than the conservative judges other than abortion and all the social issue crap, and then tout how they put a progressive black judge in power who is going to pay their gas and mortgage.
    dont see how the race card works with clarence uncle thomas in there tbh

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    I would love to come full circle and have him nominate:



    That dude spoke truth.
    for every black vote he'd gain, he'd lose 5 Jewish votes

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    No one's questioning whether the Senate can legally do what they're doing. We all get that. We just can see they're being hypocrites for doing it now and that it will probably cost a number of them seats if the Democrats play this appropriately.
    You can name some for sure. You can also name some democrats that are being hypocrites over this issue also.

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    In this case I don't see any problem with waiting until November to see which way Americans choose to go. It's not like the court/country can't function without a 9th justice. So it's primarily just politics.

    As far as political strategy, I think it is another case of the GOP being re ed. They could force Obama to put a moderate on the court. After the Republicans most likely lose in November, they will be forced to accept liberal justice.
    Obama wouldn't nominate a moderate.

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    I wouldn't be surprised to see him nominate someone black, as the Democrats can use Republican opposition to mobilize a large black voter turnout. If Hillary gets the nomination and black voters show up the Democrats likely win the White House and will have a great chance to flip enough Senate seats to take it back too.
    The more I think about it, the more I agree with baseline bum. You couldn't ask for a better opportunity to mobilize the black vote than nominating a far left wing black judge and daring the Republicans to obstruct his confirmation.

    Republicans might not ever get the black vote, but they win elections when black people don't show up (which is why they dominate the midterms). They'd almost be forced to confirm a black nominee.
    Yeah, the Democratic party will love Obama for doing something like that. Either (1) the Republicans don't confirm him and the Dems can play the race card and get a strong showing from black voters to take the presidency and the senate or (2) get a judge who won't act any differently than the conservative judges other than abortion and all the social issue crap, and then tout how they put a progressive black judge in power who is going to pay their gas and mortgage.
    He could actually try to pull this off with a Hispanic... lots of pros for Dems to do this:
    1) Latinos are now 17% of the US population (way more than black/asian voters), even outpacing whites in some areas
    2) They could see this a door for some form of paving the way to immigration amnesty/reform, which would really get their asses in gear to go vote
    3) Plays well against the Trump latino hate

    Just don't know if there's any candidate they have at hand... Maybe that got Julian Castro... he's in his early 40s.... hmmm

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    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...imes&smtyp=cur

    According to this article the longest the Senate has ever taken to vote on a nominee is 125 days. The average is 25. If the republicans are looking at completely blocking the nomination, they would need to take their obstructionist agenda far beyond historical levels. It seems theyll have to vote on at least one nominee. Maybe two.
    How so? They can block the nomination by voting no. Keep in mind that the longest vacancy has been 27 months. The 391 day vacancy when Nixon was president is more applicable though. NIxon's first two nominations were rejected.

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    It would be funny (in an ironic sort of way) if Obama nominated Ted Cruz.
    It would be awesome. Even though cruz is my choice for president, rubio would pick up most of the cruz voters and defeat trump.

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    We were talking about the SC - not elections. I am voting for Trump who I hope will get the independents and disenfranchised democrats - not an unelectable like Cruz. Maybe you missed my post above where I clearly said that I'm putting aside my conservatism in exchange for jobs.
    Trump may get some of those, but he would cause a lot of republicans to vote third party.

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    dont see how the race card works with clarence uncle thomas in there tbh
    Liberals don't consider black republicans to be black.

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    Liberals don't consider black republicans to be black.
    Ditto with Carson.

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    Ditto with Carson.
    BS...Liberal just don't consider Carson and Thomas to be representatives of the general black community since they haven't been a part of the community for so long...

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    BS...Liberal just don't consider Carson and Thomas to be representatives of the general black community since they haven't been a part of the community for so long...
    So what about Obama? He didn't grow up as part of the general black community. It wasn't until he finished college that he even mixed with it. Carson grew up very poor in Detroit. Thomas the same in Savannah. Their whole childhoods.

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    So what about Obama? He didn't grow up as part of the general black community. It wasn't until he finished college that he even mixed with it. Carson grew up very poor in Detroit. Thomas the same in Savannah. Their whole childhoods.
    He was a community organizer for the black community of Chicago.....on top of a legal scholar.....it isn't a joke to say he could nominate himself for Alito's spot on the SCOTUS....I don't think it will happen....but if he really wanted to with the GOP he could nominate Hillary

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    He could actually try to pull this off with a Hispanic... lots of pros for Dems to do this:
    1) Latinos are now 17% of the US population (way more than black/asian voters), even outpacing whites in some areas
    2) They could see this a door for some form of paving the way to immigration amnesty/reform, which would really get their asses in gear to go vote
    3) Plays well against the Trump latino hate

    Just don't know if there's any candidate they have at hand... Maybe that got Julian Castro... he's in his early 40s.... hmmm
    I'm not sure if the latino vote is as important electorally though or for battleground states when it comes to the senate. What does it matter if they get more votes in Texas or California?

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    I'm not sure if the latino vote is as important electorally though or for battleground states when it comes to the senate. What does it matter if they get more votes in Texas or California?
    It matters on swing states like Nevada (25% of their population is latino, see the Latino Democrat running for Reid's job), Colorado (21% pop are Latino) and Florida...

    If they nab those 3 states, especially Florida and Colorado, it will be pretty much over.

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    conservatives believe they're going to win by pandering to the far right to get higher voter turnout among "group c", rather than trying to win over group b

    i doubt it ends well for them
    Republicans already turn out in higher numbers than Democrats generally, to my understanding. If that is the case, you get a lot of diminishing returns in terms of "get out the vote" efforts.

    As the GOP gets older and simple mortality starts removing Republican voters faster than they are being replaced, sustaining turnout will get harder each cycle and require more and more effort.

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    You still think Texas is on the verge of turning blue? I assumed you learned something when you thought abortion Barbie was going to win only to see her get crushed.
    Dude, you seem to be trying to do an awful lot of believing/thinking for me. You should stop that, because you keep getting it wrong.

    I never assumed Davis was going to win.

    Texas will not "turn blue", i.e. vote consistently for Democrats for another 12+ years or so. It will at the very least begin to turn compe ive for Democrats roughly 2020ish, four years away. We will know a LOT more this fall when we get some current data as to who shows up to vote at the polls.

    A bit more:
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...ne-star-state/
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/0...m-red-to-blue/

    Read a bit outside your normal information bubble. Use evidence and facts, as opposed to "truthiness", and your internal model of the world might get a bit closer to being accurate.

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    So, what's the alternative - one of the many lawyers who are running who majored in what? history? political science? Who lie, cheat and smooth talk their way to power? At least, he's got real, live business experience. And what's gonna get us out of this mess? Only jobs - that Trump's got more experience in than anyone in either field.
    Trump is lying through his teeth to you, and he knows it.

    He outlined his strategy already, and that strategy was predicated on "capturing the media cycle", i.e. saying the most outrageous possible to keep people talking about him.

    Sad thing is, you seem to think Trump isn't lying and actually believes what he is saying.

    You said it yourself: he isn't stupid.

    He is just counting on you to be.

    Don't let him get that right. You are better than that.
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    We were talking about the SC - not elections. I am voting for Trump who I hope will get the independents and disenfranchised democrats - not an unelectable like Cruz. Maybe you missed my post above where I clearly said that I'm putting aside my conservatism in exchange for jobs.
    Trump has made himself even more unelectable than Cruz by virtue of his statements so far. Easy, easy, fodder for negative ads, made all the worse because they would be accurate.

    Not sure I would be relying much on the "jobs record" of someone with the record of bankruptcies that Trump has.

    Trump was handed tens of millions by his father, and did worse with that money than an index fund based on the S & P would have. I am not all that impressed.

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    All the Repugs count on their voters to be stupid.

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    You said it yourself: he isn't stupid.

    He is just counting on you to be.
    And he's unique in this regard?

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    I wouldn't be surprised to see him nominate someone black, as the Democrats can use Republican opposition to mobilize a large black voter turnout. If Hillary gets the nomination and black voters show up the Democrats likely win the White House and will have a great chance to flip enough Senate seats to take it back too.
    Hispanic. Obama will campaign to hoover up the black vote, but increasing hispanic turnout will be part of a Democratic strategy.

    The optics of the Whitey Club senate Republicans beating up on someone with a Spanish surname will be an easy way to do that.

    That makes "delay, delay, delay" yet another bullet in the foot for the GOP, IMO. It is like there is a target painted on their collective shoes.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...-the-election/

    Sanders will bump up white youth participation, even if he loses nomination. More whites voting, and voting Democratic.
    Hispanic SCOTUS nominee being beaten up by Whitey Club bumps up hispanic participation, keep the % split the same.

    DEMOCRATS
    ELECTORAL VOTES: 358 ✔
    POPULAR VOTE: 54.5%
    REPUBLICANS
    ELECTORAL VOTES: 180
    POPULAR VOTE: 43.8%

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    And he's unique in this regard?
    (nods)

    All politicians do that to some extent. In that sense the answer is no.

    BUT

    To the extent he is being cynical about it, yes. It is pretty shockingly obvious how much he is doing just that, and the degree... wow.

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