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Simmons is a better player than Green, Mills and Manu. That's why we're counting on him, our guards suck and nobody can get to the free throw line in crunch time but Simmons and Kawhi
I definitely want him back but how can you pay him more than Mills for example. Spurs can't. I am starting to feel like even 9 mill per season might be too much for him considering how the market for wings is tanking... but if he gets that I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't want the Spurs to match on any poison pill contract though.
Simmons is a better player than Green, Mills and Manu. That's why we're counting on him, our guards suck and nobody can get to the free throw line in crunch time but Simmons and Kawhi
This. Juice is a playmaker. Hes at his best when he has the ball in his hands. He practically ran point in Austin and Summer League. Ideally, he'd be the heir apparent to Manu in the second unit, tbh.something to consider. During the season he played primarily off ball.Look at his usage from the season to the playoffs. It increased by like 5% and he performed a lot better. He needs the ball in his hands more.
Per 36 Minutes
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 2015-16 26 SAS NBA SG 55 2 813 5.4 10.7 .504 0.8 2.1 .383 4.6 8.6 .533 3.1 4.1 .750 0.7 3.5 4.3 2.6 1.1 0.2 2.3 4.6 14.7 2016-17 27 SAS NBA SG 78 8 1392 4.6 10.9 .420 0.8 2.6 .294 3.8 8.2 .461 2.6 3.4 .750 0.5 3.6 4.1 3.3 1.2 0.6 2.0 3.8 12.5 Career NBA 133 10 2205 4.9 10.8 .451 0.8 2.4 .322 4.1 8.4 .488 2.7 3.7 .750 0.6 3.6 4.2 3.0 1.2 0.5 2.1 4.1 13.3
Playoffs Per 36 Minutes
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 2015-16 26 SAS NBA SG 3 0 26 5.5 13.8 .400 2.8 4.2 .667 2.8 9.7 .286 1.4 2.8 .500 4.2 1.4 5.5 2.8 2.8 0.0 1.4 5.5 15.2 2016-17 27 SAS NBA SG 15 4 306 7.3 16.0 .456 1.5 4.4 .351 5.8 11.6 .495 2.5 3.6 .677 1.1 2.2 3.3 3.4 1.1 0.2 1.3 3.5 18.6 Career NBA 18 4 332 7.2 15.8 .452 1.6 4.3 .375 5.5 11.5 .481 2.4 3.6 .667 1.3 2.2 3.5 3.4 1.2 0.2 1.3 3.7 18.3
Notice how his 3% went up in the playoffs. That is huge considering the increased pressure. Imo the more involvement is equaled to the more engaged he was. But, the 18 ppg per 36 is good cause the games he actually played minutes he did put that up so it's not empty. With increased minutes and workload he could be a fringe elite role player in my estimation. Also his turnover rate actually went down with more usage.
I'm sorry but Danny made 10 per on a bargain contract. Simmons projects as a better all around player and to take the role as 6th man ala Ginobili. That's why they want him back. He plays really well against the team to beat and with more usage he becomes something else. If we can get him for the same price as danny it would be a bargain. Danny can't do anything to create his own shot. He can barely dribble and though Simmons really isn't much of a facilitator, he does well penetrating the defense off a pick and can finish near the rim. I really hope his price is going down though. Would love to have him for cheaper.
Simmons sucks compared to all of those guys. Every one of them has had a six-game stretch that s all over his inefficient stretch.
The same idiots applauding the Mills signing for 4/50 are the same idiots who don't want to pay Simmons.
One guy can't defend anyone when it matters, but can spread the floor and hit shots 1 out of every 3 games-- can't create or get to the line. The other can defend 3-4 positions well when it matters, shoots the 3 at a modest 30-35%, can take it off the dribble and get to the line.
Sure, go with your eye test instead.
Look son, there's a reason nobody has shown interest in Simmons yet. NBA Gm's are smart enough to don't let themselves fool for a couple of highlight plays. They actually analyze stats and tapes, over a long period of time, to see if a guy is worth it.
He was awesome on Harden. Better than Kawhi even at times, imo.
You gonna trust those guys in the fourth quarter? Or to go out and score double figures on a consistent basis? Nope
I don't know who you are talking about since I'm not an idiot but if by any chance you were referring to me, let me tell you that I wasn't fine with the Patty signing, tbh.
Last edited by DAF86; 07-12-2017 at 02:52 PM.
Harden was just terrible on his own after the Spurs got the refs to stop calling the bull fouls. Anderson falling apart also limited Harden's effectiveness.
Agree 100%. He has quicker foot-speed than Kawhi and Danny. Danny's foot speed regressed last year and had a harder time than usual staying in-front of his man.
Simmons can defend 1-3's really well. Not sure what games Chinook is watching.
well there's a reason his games didn't translate to wins and anybody short of Kawhi Leonard or Lebron James probably would of faired the same. But as a supplementary scorer for the bench or closing games he'd be an upgrade over Danny or Manu who are the other options. Danny shooting is inconsistent... Just fact checked but Simmons shot better from three in the playoffs than our designated 3 point shooter
/Props to raybies for watching those games on his TV
Truth bomb
Hopefully, like Blackjack said, they have an '03 type of run in them.
Anyone with half a brain can see that Simmons guarded Harden solid. Didn't he shut down a potential Harden game winner during the reg season too?
From my understanding of what has been released by the media, the offer you mention is what the Spurs offered at 12:01 and he turned down. I am unsure at this point how much his camp expects but considering he turned it down and decided to test the market, he wants more..
I like Simmons, and I want him back. I don't know what his numbers from the 15-16 season were like, but he seems to have made some significant improvement year over year - especially in terms of consistency. I think it is likely that he will continue to improve and gain more consistency. He is a pretty solid defender, and he committed fewer fouls last season than the previous one. I would be willing to pay him up to $9MM on a 3 year deal in a heartbeat - with a team option for year 3. His ceiling may not be much higher than what we have seen, but that is worth a small gamble. C'mon back, Jon.
Folks need to realize that, even at his best, Simmons still had a below average impact. Let's say that with a bigger role he improves as much as folks think he could improve (I don't know why people are expecting that kind of improvement from a 28 year old but let's just pretend for the sake of the argument that that is the case). He improves and what? finally becomes an average level player? a slightly above average player? Sorry, but in neither of those scenarios is he worth 10 millions per year, tbh.
Last edited by DAF86; 07-12-2017 at 02:13 PM.
Turning down our offer and getting a better one are two different things. I expect him back, and I hope Manu is gone to clear the way for Jon, Forbes and our other young guys.
You say all this but then give no reasonable explanation as to why he was benched for most of the last two regular seasons and the latter one being in a contract year. There's no telling what version of Simmons the Spurs will be getting for 9M but one hallmark trait of a career DLeague player is lack of consistency and that description fits Simmons to a tee.well there's a reason his games didn't translate to wins and anybody short of Kawhi Leonard or Lebron James probably would of faired the same. But as a supplementary scorer for the bench or closing games he'd be an upgrade over Danny or Manu who are the other options. Danny shooting is inconsistent... Just fact checked but Simmons shot better from three in the playoffs than our designated 3 point shooter
His numbers actually declined last season compared to the previous one.
I don't know who Manu4tres is talking about there either. I wasn't in favor of a 12:01 either. Guys were getting on me bc of my incessant whining about it. I figured Mills is going to be around for 4 years so I better get off the ledge and move on. Only one who defended Mills was dabom, maybe a few trolls and Chinook who found ways to justify the FO. Not many were in favor of 12:01
Simmons probably wanted a player option instead of team option in his third year. Don't blame him, tbh. He'll never touch this kind of money again so It's best he gets as much guaranteed as he possibly can.
I agree with that. He's going to milk that series for all he can. Deserves a payday too of some kind.
Simmons is best playing off the ball on offense. He's fine on D. Regardless of what some here think. He needs to start at the 2. I've long been a Green supporter even if he isn't the most popular on this board. As it says above my AVI, he's not appreciated. Having said that, I think its what's best for the SL.
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