Have you realized just how awful Simmons numbers are?

[raybies]

You say all this but then give no reasonable explanation as to why he was benched for most of the last two regular seasons and the latter one being in a contract year. There's no telling what version of Simmons the Spurs will be getting for 9M but one hallmark trait of a career DLeague player is lack of consistency and that description fits Simmons to a tee.

well the simple and most logical answer is that he doesn't know how to play off the ball to make a long story short. To parrot what I believe FkLa said and it's true but he's played a role in Summer League and the D League, which was the same role he played when Kawhi went down and he produced. It's reasonable to assume that with more responsibility to run the pick and roll and initiate some offense that he can do what he's been doing. Sure Summer League and D League is different levels of comp but he was doing it against the Warriors in the playoffs when there was no better defense left at the time.

Then you look at Manu who is 40 and anyone else on the roster, who can play that role? No one is ready. Simmons earned an opportunity for increased role with his performance and experience which is how players typically move up in Pop's system. He's ready now. We don't have the money to find a suitable replacement.

[DAF86]

Simmons is best playing off the ball on offense. He's fine on D. Regardless of what some here think. He needs to start at the 2. I've long been a Green supporter even if he isn't the most popular on this board. As it says above my AVI, he's not appreciated. Having said that, I think its what's best for the SL.

well the simple and most logical answer is that he doesn't know how to play off the ball to make a long story short. To parrot what I believe FkLa said and it's true but he's played a role in Summer League and the D League, which was the same role he played when Kawhi went down and he produced. It's reasonable to assume that with more responsibility to run the pick and roll and initiate some offense that he can do what he's been doing. Sure Summer League and D League is different levels of comp but he was doing it against the Warriors in the playoffs when there was no better defense left at the time.

Then you look at Manu who is 40 and anyone else on the roster, who can play that role? No one is ready. Simmons earned an opportunity for increased role with his performance and experience which is how players typically move up in Pop's system. He's ready now. We don't have the money to find a suitable replacement.

Even Simmons supporters can't get on the same page.

[look_at_g_shred]

Even Simmons supporters can't get on the same page.

I admit that is funny But I call it how I see it.

[SAGirl]

well there's a reason his games didn't translate to wins and anybody short of Kawhi Leonard or Lebron James probably would of faired the same. But as a supplementary scorer for the bench or closing games he'd be an upgrade over Danny or Manu who are the other options. Danny shooting is inconsistent... Just fact checked but Simmons shot better from three in the playoffs than our designated 3 point shooter And Manu will be 40. We just don't have better options. And with Danny, the other team can hide a poor defender on him, with Simms you can't. Factor all this in and it really is a no brainer. Don't understand ya'll...

I have been a big Manu critic but he's underrated here. If he retires, he will be missed. If he doesn't retire but has to be benched bc he gets injured or is finally washed up and reached the end Kobe Bryant inefficient style he will be misssd. Simmons wasn't on his level even at 39-40. Manu spotted him 5 games of 0%shooting and still came out ahead in the playoffs if I remember correctly. For all his bad gambles, Manu is still disruptive. Spurs post-Manu likely to be much different and not rely on a single player as they used to rely on him. When Manu retires and you get to watch the subs utes you will realize he was a HOF player for a reason. Same as not even Pau (another HOF player mind you) couldn't replicate Timmy.


Simmons is going to have to play the system like everyone else. Unfortunately Dijon looks not good right now so there are concerns for sure. I'd like him back, never said I didn't but Spurs adding Rudy Gay was surely a move to not be this dependent on JSimms and him playing hardball with wanting more than Spurs project him to be worth.

[DAF86]

I shouldn't even get into this one because folks are going to think I have ulterior motives for the Simmons' bashing but...

Manu > Simmons

Manu at the min for one year >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simmons for 9/10 mil a year for three seasons.

[look_at_g_shred]

I shouldn't even get into this one because folks are going to think I have ulterior motives for the Simmons' bashing but...

Manu > Simmons

Manu at the min for one year >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simmons for 9/10 mil a year for three seasons.

It's more likely to be 3.5 mil per for 3 years.

[SAGirl]

I shouldn't even get into this one because folks are going to think I have ulterior motives for the Simmons' bashing but...

Manu > Simmons

Manu at the min for one year >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simmons for 9/10 mil a year for three seasons.

If Manu is back, I don't think it will be for the minimum.... we shall see.

[DAF86]

It's more likely to be 3.5 mil per for 3 years.

I wouldn't have a problem with that, tbh.

[raybies]

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[apalisoc_9]

Simmons is atrocious as an offball defensive player, but he's shown the ability to move pretty well against Elite Perimeter scorers. When you have Kawhi and Danny as help defenders, it's worth having him on the court.

[SAGirl]

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Sorry friend but I like you.

Humor is the best.

[SAGirl]

Simmons is atrocious as an offball defensive player, but he's shown the ability to move pretty well against Elite Perimeter scorers. When you have Kawhi and Danny as help defenders, it's worth having him on the court.

How much are you willing to pay for that? That's basically the thread...

[TheGreatYacht]

Better numbers than Ginobili
Ginobili fans feel a threat

[apalisoc_9]

Better numbers than Ginobili
Ginobili fans feel a threat

The poster above you sees him a threat too..

[TheGreatYacht]

Agree 100%. He has quicker foot-speed than Kawhi and Danny. Danny's foot speed regressed last year and had a harder time than usual staying in-front of his man.

Simmons can defend 1-3's really well. Not sure what games Chinook is watching.

Chinook has always hated Simmons. Then as a Fathead fan, and now as a Green fan.

[TheGreatYacht]

The poster above you sees him a threat too..

SAGirl has always hated Simmons. She would've cut him last training camp for Lapro, Forbes, and Garino. Swear to god found the posts

Feel bad for Simmons, tbh. Nothing he does will convince Fathead and Manu fans that he's good

[TheGreatYacht]

Simmons is at his absolute best when he's not sharing the floor with Ginobili, and that's a fact. Same problem Joseph had since they're both better with the ball than without.

When gin"0points"bili was making an appearance in the playoffs, Pop decided to let Simmons be the 6th man and Juice thrived. Then he got inserted in the starting lineup and again thrived.

It's understandable why an Argie made this thread. #1, he wants his boy back and getting paid over JSimms. #2, the rise of Simmons might finally keep his idol on the bench for good.

[DeRozan m8]

Maybe if pop stopped dog housing him he could develop properly

[mookie2001]

Simmons is at his absolute best when he's not sharing the floor with Ginobili, and that's a fact. Same problem Joseph had since they're both better with the ball than without.

When gin"0points"bili was making an appearance in the playoffs, Pop decided to let Simmons be the 6th man and Juice thrived. Then he got inserted in the starting lineup and again thrived.

It's understandable why an Argie made this thread. #1, he wants his boy back and getting paid over JSimms. #2, the rise of Simmons might finally keep his idol on the bench for good.

true indeed

[SAGirl]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/07/...&post-id=69427
As if this moment, rated one of the best SG left in the open market... FWIW

[DAF86]

Better numbers than Ginobili
Ginobili fans feel a threat

If only he had better numbers than Manu. Folks wanna throw 30 million dollars at a guy that can't outplay a 40 year old.

[mookie2001]

Manu is often the consensus worst player in the NBA. Watching him in crunch time is like a faces of death flick

[Spurs9]

[TimDunkem]

If only he had better numbers than Manu. Folks wanna throw 30 million dollars at a guy that can't outplay a 40 year old.

Tbh, sounds like Fatty Mills who needs said 40 year old to run the offense for him. Unfortunately, he got 50 million.

[TD 21]

His play in the playoffs probably was overrated, but I don't care. The league is now about finding as many two-way mid sized players as possible. He's clearly not afraid of the moment and looks like a possible 6th-8th man and 3rd wing. It's well worth it to give him the type of contract MaNu4Tres suggested and see if he can become that. They need to do everything in their power to increase their upside.

Simmons' best attribute is that he could defend Draymond better than Danny can. His actual defense against guys his size isn't anything to write home about.

Even if that were true, it's irrelevant. He can physically guard his position. It's not about having a bunch of lockdown defenders (it's almost impossible to play defense in this league now anyway), it's about having as few liabilities as possible.