Thank you! It's the same thing with Forbes. Who wants a player who looks like he is about to cry with every mistake or missed shot? Especially one who isn't that great to begin with?
I have seen KA pass the ball at the very end of the shot clock for a bail out many times, but that Jazz game last year sealed it for me. No desire to shoot, no exploitation of his ability to pass, or shoot over the defense. Went nowhere with his supposedly "good handle". Ugh.
No I don't expect MJ level decision making or clutchness from a bench guy like KA, but I expect a player to have the balls to shoot a potential game winner after he wasted a possession dribbling out the clock. Don't most NBA guys say players LIVE for those moments? Not KA, I suppose. He just doesn't have "it"
And, by "it", I mean a pair between his legs.
So you didn't just say this?
Re: Kyle wanting out...."The PATFO seems to have lost complete control of the team."
Then this:
Don't blame the Spurs organization because Kyle was afraid to shoot. The Spurs gave him every opportunity for a larger role and he didn't want it bad enough.
Like I said, pick an argument and stick with it. General ing gets old. And you have a doctorate in that department.
kyle can and will improve.
he would've looked better on the court if he wasn't on it with tony and gasol.
i'm okay with not matching. at the very least the spurs will be quicker defensively sans tony and kyle
I'm reluctantly ok with matching, but I don't think he improves. He's a high iq player who knows he's supposed to shoot but still refuses.kyle can and will improve.
he would've looked better on the court if he wasn't on it with tony and gasol.
i'm okay with not matching. at the very least the spurs will be quicker defensively sans tony and kyle
That's a mental block that isn't breaking. If he was a dumb guy that'd be different. Then you could hope the light will come on. But with Kyle, he's keeping the light off.
Too many players in the NBA today need a shrink.
So you didn't just say this....
Like I said, I was responding to your reply and by responding, you should have known that was in disagreement with you. I don't believe you when you say his dad wanted him to leave for a larger role. He almost doubled his minutes per game from last year yet his overall production (offensive) remained poor. He was given ample opportunities to increase his usage and he didn't take advantage of his opportunities. I don't blame KA's failure to thrive on the PATFO.I'm sure his dad's motivations in saying "larger role" had to do with securing his son a larger contract.
Both star players wanted to be traded from the Spurs within a year's time. David West was unhappy, Dedmon was unhappy, Simmons was unhappy and David Lee chose retirement over playing for the Spurs. Tim Duncan was the glue that singlehandedly held this organization together, not culture and not the PATFO.
Man, a complete rebuild and a youth movement would absolutely be amazing if that's what the front office decided...
Not matching fathead would seem to signify that....
I'd give a ton of credit to RC/Pop if that's the route they want to take.....
Gay's contract was an asset, good trading chip to have at the deadline if they wanted to make a move and probably also to keep some fans in the seats if they decided to blow it up....
Beli also a fan favorite on a short contract.....
Both contracts still make a ton of sense if your plan was to tear it down...
Philosophically I don’t think the Spurs ever “tank” as in “try to lose.” But I expect them to fill the roster with upside youngs and “culture” vets to arrive at a team that realistically will probably lose more than it wins. And if the team wins more than expected, it likely means some of those youngs accelerated their development, which is a good thing.
With the Leonard fiasco I think the elephant in the room is what happens with Aldridge. Imo not the sort of player you build around at this stage of his career.
True.
But can he overcome this fear and become a winner?
Aldridge for Josh Jackson and a future first would be awesome as well....
true. i have to think his shooting will improve. and then he should be more comfortable taking those shots.
It would be funny if he plays better on the payoffs on another team. But that depends on if Memphis will even make the playoffs
Matching is a tough call. In this tight free agent market (especially so for restricted free agents), I was hoping the Spurs could get away with paying KA about half that amount of guaranteed money. As it is, you can make a case either way. And it really depends on a handful of variables, some of which may be unanswerable as it stands.
-Is Murray viewed as the long-term answer at point guard who will get his MPG bumped up to ~30 this coming season? If so, Kyle isn't a good fit next to him. In today's NBA, it's difficult to get away with multiple hesitant shooters on the court at the same time, particularly hesitant shooters with slow releases.
-Do the Spurs see White leapfrogging Murray as the future point guard? If so, I actually really like Kyle next to White. Kyle at his best needs the ball in his hands and White appears to have the ability to seamlessly move off the ball when it's needed.
-Is the situation with Uncle Dennis's nephew salvageable? If so, that'd make it easier to not match Kyle's offersheet. If not and nephew's situation is going to drag into the season, you need Kyle as an above average player who can soak up minutes, especially since the signings of Belinelli and Gay tell me the Spurs don't view this as a rebuilding year.
-If nephew is going to be traded, do the Spurs foresee ultimately getting a package involving Brandon Ingram in return? If so, I view Kyle as a really bad fit next to Ingram. Their strengths and weaknesses don't align well at all. On the other hand, if the Spurs see themselves getting a Covington and Saric package, Kyle fits pretty well with those two players.
I'm confident Pop and RC can make the right decision based on how they see the next year or two unfolding. From our vantage point, this decision will give us a hint on what's to come.
I'm not really as concerned as you about these. The key statement to my mind is Kyle Anderson on the proposed contract (trade Kicker and all) tradeable for more than cap-space. IMO, the answer is yes, so picking him up, given our hard-capped situation (and only limited exceptions and other RFAs) makes a lot of sense to me. If we need to trade his contract next summer, unless he gets a major injury, we would be able to do so for a pick and cap space...
I'm thinking this too. This would be foolish though. They need to stop kowtowing to players, especially middling ones.
If they don't want to pay him the full MLE or have a sense of how the Leonard situation will end and the roster will take shape and don't like his fit, fine. But if they don't match out of some misguided sense of doing right by the player, that's not fine. He's not a great asset, but he is an asset and you don't throw those in the garbage for a reason like that.
They also need to get this idea out of their heads that all their supposed goodwill matters. For various reasons, more and more we're finding out players aren't as thrilled with being here as they once were or the front office thought. This wouldn't score them points that would pay off in a meaningful way going forward.
Definitely several angles they PATFO must be looking at this. I would like to believe Derrick White is the real deal, or that Dejounte comes in as a transformed shooter.
But this decision definitely sheds light on the direction of our team, I'm anxious for the conclusion.
Agree. That Spurs would probably acquiesce if KA felt strong to play elsewhere. I imagine they bring Blossomgame up if they dont match.
Ugh him with a trade kicker with 3 more years after this one is not a valuable trade asset tbh. But hey NBA GMs are dumb so you never know.
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SPURS will be compe ive because they are the Spurs. Aldridge Murray Gay Gasol and Pop etc. Will make sure of that with or without Kyle...
They won't be contenders but they won't be lottery bound either...
I think Kyle will get better. Just not as talented as Boris.
You call that an also-ran - NBA purgatory for a small market losing its caché and soon to lose its HOF coach.
Not saying it's ideal but Spurs will be compe ive. Be nice because of the trash/hate thrown Lakers way to see yall in the lottery but barring injury I don't see that happening.
Would have rather kept him instead of Green because I believe he has more upside but oh well.
Me neither. It is not in Pop's DNA to tank, which is what it would take - aside from an injury to LMA.
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