Spurs Need to Go All-In

[marinoman]

I would not be against going for Irving but what we offer?
Murray, Mills and late 1st rounders? Im down but I don’t see it

[TD 21]

What would cons ute "going all in" that they could realistically do though? In addition to Winslow, best possible SF options I can come up with off the top . . .

Oubre-Wizards could be a similar situation to Heat-Winslow. The Wizards are in a tough financial situation and might not want or be able to to meet what he's likely to command as an RFA. Maybe they get out ahead of it and trade him. He's not Spurs material and is too slight to guard the big wing/combo forward types, though.

If Ginobili retires, maybe offer his contract, along with Gasol and Paul for Harkless and Leonard. Trail Blazers are also in a tough financial situation and would reap significant savings for the following season.

Then there's the oft discussed Batum albatross. Mills and Gasol should get it done. Hornets probably even throw in a decent-minor asset.

[tholdren]

OP lost his mind like ma nig DAF

That dude got ptsd

[sasaint]

Danny on his own could have probably got us more than what he got us attached to Kawhi.

That is EXACTLY what I thought. Smh!

[sasaint]

Walker is just too small/slight to have him defend James, Durant, Butler, George, Leonard, Antetokounmpo, etc.

There's a shortage of big SF/combo forwards who are at least competent at 3 and D (even Winslow is only 6'6'', with a 6'10'' wingspan). Part of it is because a lot of them now veer towards being PF's. Anunoby was one of the few who fit the mold of the former, which is why it was a massive blow to not get him.

If they can't address it in the next year, Leonard leaves (Raptors would pivot into a re-build by default) and Green doesn't fall further, I wouldn't rule out his being brought back.

I agree with everything you said, but that doesn't help us this year. We got Poodle to shore up the bigs.but now we have nada for SF.

[DAF86]

What would cons ute "going all in" that they could realistically do though? In addition to Winslow, best possible SF options I can come up with off the top . . .

Oubre-Wizards could be a similar situation to Heat-Winslow. The Wizards are in a tough financial situation and might not want or be able to to meet what he's likely to command as an RFA. Maybe they get out ahead of it and trade him. He's not Spurs material and is too slight to guard the big wing/combo forward types, though.

If Ginobili retires, maybe offer his contract, along with Gasol and Paul for Harkless and Leonard. Trail Blazers are also in a tough financial situation and would reap significant savings for the following season.

Then there's the oft discussed Batum albatross. Mills and Gasol should get it done. Hornets probably even throw in a decent-minor asset.

Butler.

Would a desperate Wolves team go for a Butler for DeRozan trade? They would be securing an all-star for the next three seasons for a guy that would leave for nothing in the offseason. I mean, if PATFO fell for it, maybe Thibs does too.

[sasaint]

I'm fine if you want to keep Dejounte but they need a 3/wing defender badly tbh. Hopefully Pau and the two first rounders can be moved to fill that void.

Losing Danny (on a good contract) was so dumb since he fills a need this team desperately needs right now. I haven't reviewed the financials but man there had to be another way to get it done without losing him. Incredibly dumb by RC.

Agreed. Throwing Danny into that deal turned a position of former strength into a glaring hole on this roster. It HAS to mean PATFO has another move in mind - doesn't it? Please be so!

[Spur|n|Austin]

I wonder if there's any way of getting Jimmy Butler.

That would be amazing - hopefully FO is not done yet and DeRozan coming over sparks more interest from remaining FA, namely Forwards.

[mo7888]

I find that truly hard to believe. I think Griffin doesn’t love the deal, doesn’t get why SA didn’t wait longer if this was the best as it can’t get worse if Kawhi shows he’s healthy and is just assuming that SA did this now because they have a bigger plan.

I think SA knew this was it, were ready and that nothing Kawhi said or did would help and they didn’t want to risk getting nothing.

I agree but, in retrospect, I think we could have moved him to the clips for Harris + 12+13 and still made a trade to Toronto for DD and ended up with the same players plus a pick or two from LA. I guess I'm still feeling heartburn over this deal and will unless we make a follow up move to add someone else.

[Fusternino]

Colin Cowherd and Nick Wright were talking about Toronto immediately flipping Kawhi and creating a bidding war between the LA teams.

We got completely fleeced in this deal. DG himself could've gotten us Poeltl and the pick. LOL.

[Payote75]

For sure. It’s a gamble but absolutely

Realistically what do you think would work that would help Washington. I think they're thinking their right there too compete as well in the lebronless east so I'm not sure salary dumps would work. Murray would definately have to be involved and I actually think one of Paul or mills would be of use to them on that team. You could expand the trade but my main focus would be porter. I like him a lot I believe he just fits the Spurs well. Would love to get some more opinions on this from others too.

[DPG21920]

Realistically what do you think would work that would help Washington. I think they're thinking their right there too compete as well in the lebronless east so I'm not sure salary dumps would work. Murray would definately have to be involved and I actually think one of Paul or mills would be of use to them on that team. You could expand the trade but my main focus would be porter. I like him a lot I believe he just fits the Spurs well. Would love to get some more opinions on this from others too.

Honestly I have no idea what it would take. It’s hard to tell; but it would probably be mid-season and Wash looking to blow it up. That is the only way I see it.

[GrapplingYautja]

You whiners like using that word 'fleeced' not knowing what it even means.

We got an all-star for the next 3 years as opposed to 1. Got rid of a CANCER and player whose management did NOT want to be in San Antonio. They went rogue trying to force their way into the LA market with bullish tactics and didn't get their way.

The Spurs are always solid defensively. That hasn't been a problem here because we have a system! How have Aldridge and Gay somehow become decent defenders when they were criticized for that part of their game? You don't think we're going to put DeRozan in a similar situation to be successful?

[sasaint]

Butler.

Would a desperate Wolves team go for a Butler for DeRozan trade? They would be securing an all-star for the next three seasons for a guy that would leave for nothing in the offseason. I mean, if PATFO fell for it, maybe Thibs does too.

I don't think PATFO play the game that way. Besides, if that was under consideration, why wouldn't they just have constructed a 3 team trade? Thi is just a ST pipe dream.

[Payote75]

I get impatient lol
but trade machine allows

batum
walker

for

gasol
mills
white
paul

i think jordan would be ecstatic to escape batums contract and Walker 1 year left but I think that creates a pretty solid shooting team 1-5 can score and having gay Manu and belli off the bench we would just be lacking a big body but gasol wasn't that anyhow. Not to mention it frees a ton of money up for Charlotte eventually and for the Spurs solid.....opinions???

[DMC]

That would be amazing - hopefully FO is not done yet and DeRozan coming over sparks more interest from remaining FA, namely Forwards.

Aldridge, DeRozan and Butler with Murry as PG and Pau at center form a legit top 4 team I'd think.

[Spurtacular]

Go all-in on what? A conference semifinals loss to Lebron in seven? A conference finals loss to GS in six?

Last I checked, superstar-less teams don't win rings in the NBA.

[offset formation]

You whiners like using that word 'fleeced' not knowing what it even means.

We got an all-star for the next 3 years as opposed to 1. Got rid of a CANCER and player whose management did NOT want to be in San Antonio. They went rogue trying to force their way into the LA market with bullish tactics and didn't get their way.

The Spurs are always solid defensively. That hasn't been a problem here because we have a system! How have Aldridge and Gay somehow become decent defenders when they were criticized for that part of their game? You don't think we're going to put DeRozian in a similar situation to be successful?

This.

And I'd say Aldridge has been far better than decent on defense. In fact, he's basically became our defensive anchor. Pop knows it. And so did the team.

[DPG21920]

I know it would be adding another non-shooter, but I wonder if Stanley Johnson is available. SA has liked him, he is a defensive wing and probably can be had I would imagine with DET getting Khyri Thomas.

Or maybe ORL would do Pau + Mills for Fournier + Ross type deal?

[Baam]

They need an elite shooter at the 3, someone like Otto Porter. But they didn't get assets to make a second trade...

[Ditty]

Man Jimmy Butler would be nice. I wonder how Teague and Murray would work together on the floor. I don't want to touch Walker or White.

Murray, Gasol (Thibodeau connection) and Two Firsts (one from Toronto) for Butler. Roster looks better.

Aldridge/Poltl/Metu
Bertans/Gay/Cunningham
Butler/Belinelli/Blossomgame
Derozan/Manu/Walker
White/Mills/Forbes

[Hoops Czar]

DeRozan being flipped for Butler would make sense

Silly DPG, if the Spurs were considering that, they could have done a three-way trade.

[Hoops Czar]

I know it would be adding another non-shooter, but I wonder if Stanley Johnson is available. SA has liked him, he is a defensive wing and probably can be had I would imagine with DET getting Khyri Thomas.

Or maybe ORL would do Pau + Mills for Fournier + Ross type deal?

How about their done and looking for G-league fillers to fill out the roster.

[Chinook]

Johnson or Winslow would make a ton of sense. I honestly see DeRozan as the starting SF right now, to the point that any MAJOR acquisition should be for a smaller player. But getting a three who's young and cheap enough to where he can come off the bench if necessary sounds great. I would not consider this representative of going "all-in" however.

[szkorhetz]

I could see the Batum trade happening, or getting someone from Miami, but the Butler dream is a huge pipe-dream.
I always enjoyed watching Harkless, and I still don't know if the Clippers would say no to a Mills+1st to Harris.