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    unfortunately, that means more of the TD 21 treadmill of crappy posts until then.

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    Well, we traded for a 9th overall pick, I don't know how much of a pipe dream having traded for a 23rd overall pick would have been.
    Well, apparently, it was one, since Toronto wouldn't part with him. He was better than expected by his draft slot, and Turtle was worse. happens.
    And again, it doesn't have to be those players. We could pick a veteran like an Ariza or Demarre Carrol and we would be immensely better than what we are right now.
    Carrol is 32, and has fallen of a cliff, basketball-wise. Ariza is 33, and he's not playing well, either. If either, or heaven forbid, BOTH of these players were on our roster, you'd likely be ing that Pop was playing old guys again, because that's what they ARE.

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    Well, apparently, it was one, since Toronto wouldn't part with him. He was better than expected by his draft slot, and Turtle was worse. happens.
    And you know that exactly how?

    Carrol is 32, and has fallen of a cliff, basketball-wise. Ariza is 33, and he's not playing well, either. If either, or heaven forbid, BOTH of these players were on our roster, you'd likely be ing that Pop was playing old guys again, because that's what they ARE.
    And yet, we would be immensely better with those two instead of having to start a journeyman, that wouldn't even make a difference on the Argie league, like Dante Cunningham.

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    ..almost a certainty that Pop/RC asked for Poetl instead of Siakam or OG
    lol stop it

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    And you know that exactly how?



    And yet, we would be immensely better with those two instead of having to start a journeyman, that wouldn't even make a difference on the Argie league, like Dante Cunningham.
    OG wasn't some under the radar guy. Toronto was alwayas super high on him, and his timeline fits with what their plan is in the likely scenario that Kawhitter bolts for LA. I really really doubt Toronto was open to parting with him.

    I do agree about the lack of 3&D type wings though. They should've never attached Green or signed Belli. Ideally, Patty wouldve been attached and a 3&D wing signed with the full MLE.

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    And yet, we would be immensely better with those two instead of having to start a journeyman, that wouldn't even make a difference on the Argie league, like Dante Cunningham.
    And you know that exactly how?

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    And you know that exactly how?
    Because those two I mentioned have NBA rotation players talent. Cunningham isn't more than a "complete roster with a vet minimum salary" player right now.

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    I'm a Raiders fan, arguably the worst NFL franchise of the last 15 years. And I feel significantly better about the Raiders' future prospects than I do about the Spurs tbh...at least they'll probably have a chance at a championship within the next 5-10 seasons.
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    The idea that the Spurs suddenly no longer have the Big 3, no longer have their best player in Kawhi, have lost their their young starting PG to injury, and are even in the conversation with regards to making the playoffs is a small miracle itself....

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    Actually, I think this could easily be a top 3/5 team (in the regular season) with just one tweak. Play Bertans 48 minutes per game.
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    Because those two I mentioned have NBA rotation players talent. Cunningham isn't more than a "complete roster with a vet minimum salary" player right now.
    I think they had that talent in the past. If you understand physiology, an athlete's physical peak is at 27. The athleticism falls off of a cliff at about 31, unless you're a juicer like LeBron. Both of those players are well past their sell by date, as shown by their crappy stats this year. I don't see Cunningham as 'the solution', but he's a better stop gap than either of those other two.

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    I'm a Raiders fan, arguably the worst NFL franchise of the last 15 years. And I feel significantly better about the Raiders' future prospects than I do about the Spurs tbh...at least they'll probably have a chance at a championship within the next 5-10 seasons.
    It could still be worse. You could be a Bills fan.

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    Most teams are treadmill teams.

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    The thing that has me optimistic is I reckon they've nailed the last 3 1st round draft picks. Murray & White, despite some limitations, look like legit NBA starters & Lonnie Walker has crazy upside for someone drafted at 18. This year is a write off anyway, considering the Warriors are still there, so hopefully White can establish himself as a starter (possibly alongside Murray in the future) & Lonnie gets a chance to develop.

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    Not by choice.

    The bigger issue is neither Tim Duncan nor David Robinson play basketball for a living.

    If they became a treadmill team following the Nephew trade, this "process" you're talking about is all of 12 games in.

    Don't think we know where they will be picking the next few years 12 games into the treadmill, tbh.

    The vast majority of the roster was put together prior to what you consider becoming a treadmill team.

    If you have the two top midrange shooters in the league, there are only so many ways you can play it, tbh. All those ways involve midrange jumpers. Steve Kerr, Brad Stevens, Mike Bud or any other basketball coach in the world couldn't change that.

    Yes, because Nephew arrived as a ready-made player.

    The amount of spoilage is overwhelming. Woah.
    Yes, by choice. No one had a gun to their head, forcing them to accept the horrific offer they did. No, the bigger issue is the amount of blatant missteps they've made since '15. They lucked into a superstar, star and two lottery type talents in recent drafts. Maybe that s bag's sleazy uncle would have brainwashed him anyway, but had they began to tailor their precious culture to a more modern one, maybe that never happens.

    12 games or not, the way they're going about it suggests they either haven't adjusted to and/or refuse to accept basketball in this era.

    I said likely picking. Looks like a few mid round picks (10-20) upcoming.

    The roster was foolish from the start.

    Wrong. Players can adjust. Every other prominent jump shooting big from Aldridge's era was forced to migrate to 3 years ago. DeRozan finally started shooting a decent amount of 3's last season and now he's reverted to previous form.

    "Nephew" was picked in '11 and most of the development took place from then until '15, which is the exact year the league began to leave this organization in the dust.

    Spoilage because apologists like yourself, who worship at the Pop/Buford altar, can't take off the role colored glasses and admit that they've done an atrocious job since '15.

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    Some quick hitters . . .

    DPG: Who cares if they might have a better future than some of the current elites? That doesn't mean much. The reality is, they're setup to be stuck in the middle for the foreseeable future.

    Harlem: I'm more concerned with their ignorance to the direction of the league than getting a superstar too. I'm just saying, they're not doing either. If they want to attempt to stay as relevant as possible now, adjust to the times. If not, increase the odds of lucking into a superstar in the draft.

    DAF: The names you mentioned are pipe dreams. Sure, they could sign an Ariza, Carroll, etc. next off season and win 50 something again. But they still wouldn't be built for the playoffs at all, with their archaic style.

    To the rest of you: This is about '15 onward. What they did in the past is irrelevant at this point. That shouldn't give them a free pass for the rest of their tenure to destroy this franchise. The game has clearly passed them by.

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    is there anyone left here who still believes in PATFO?

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    So many posters absolutely thrilled to have Bryn Forbes and Patty Mills as franchise cornerstones for the next 5 years. So many

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    It's definitely acting "spoiled" for a fanbase to ask the front office to make logical moves and understand the modern NBA landscape tho.

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    And calling two young talents in Murray and Walker headed for s om isn't irrational? Show me the proof of that. Jesus, you're thick!
    When did I ever make that assertion, idiot? Clearly, I would like one or both to become solid starters, if not, stars but it depends on a lot of factors. And they have the raw talent to be successful in the NBA, obviously or they wouldn't have been drafted, now it is about the hard work and results they can get out of it.

    Sorry, I'm not a cry baby, toxic fan like yourself. Talking down management, coaching staff and young talent and believing all the (recent) historical success is based entirely on "luck."

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    To be fair, this season in the NBA has just been weird altogether. It seems that the league - not just individual teams - is in some sort of rebuild.

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    It's also a product of the players they have as well. They had to sign Aldridge, a top 15-20 player in 2016 - no big name free agent had signed with the Spurs in their 50+ years of existence, along with the fact that key role players (Splitter, Diaw & Manu) had slowed down. So you're left with 2 iso midrange players - LMA & Kawhi. All you can really do is surround them with as many 3 point shooters as possible. Problem is, they're all one way role players (Mills, Forbes, Belinelli, Bertans). Have to hope that White & Walker can play both ends & find a small forward. As I said, the last 3 1st rounders they've selected, look pretty encouraging.

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    Fans from other teams reading that kind of threads must hallucinate tbh

    Everyone now have a thought for sixers fans who have wished and embraced the "Epic Shame"... sorry the "Process" for 5+ years, (grabbing the worst record in history in down the road) and... lemme check... are 9-6 now in the freaking east with a -0.2 diff, good for 10 in the conf...

    Meanwhile, spurs are 5th in the west with a 7-5 record, missing their all-defensive starting PG and a couple other players. If not for Gay out, they might even be 8-4 or 9-3. And except for the Dubs, everyone is mediocre.

    Are they playing well ? Not really. Is it surprising ? Not really considering the injuries and DeDepressed's integration.

    Their cap situtation is OK, they have a few promising players + pick and one of the best coaches in history who have proven he could adapt to every situation.

    Meanwhile, Houston and visionary Morey have a disgruntled and satisfied Harden (now that he got his individual MVP trophy) and CPAlbatros (think about him if you consider Patty's contract is bad).

    Dallas and visionary Cuban have sucked for what it seems now like forever since their ship (at least they got one),

    OKC and genius Presti has won and lost Durant, Harden (and Ibaka to some extent) and sign Melo...

    LA and genius Magic have signed PG13 and Kawhard... sorry Javale and Rondo to form their big 3 cos everyone wants to play in big cities or where they grew up, right ?

    Minny just traded their "superstar" and is collapsing.

    Denver just lost 4 in a row after a hot start and what even remotely significant Denver player can anyone name me form the last 5 years ?

    Phoenix sucks and seem they will until up the next century.

    And so on...

    GS ? If not for Curry's early bad ankles and an MVP chasing a ring he coudn't get by himself, what would they be now ? Probably a good team.

    Then you look around the NBA landscape in the past 10 years and you see former spurs assistant coaches or GMs everywhere...

    Enjoy Pop and RC while you can. You might not get that anytime soon again.

    And be grateful.
    We need to stop trying to speak sense into these two (or more) idiots. Apparently, all the success of the last two decades was based on luck and "decisions" other people made.

    Or that is the narrative one of the toxic, crybabies - probably the stupider of the two, tbh - in every thread.

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    Another emo thread tbqh

    Yes Spurs suck and will struggle to make the playoffs only to lose in 5 games tops

    Deal w it like a grown man

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