Mass shooting in Dayton Ohio bar

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Good evening, Dale. It was sarcasm.

Damn, & I had my hopes up so high.

me.

[ElNono]

I don't have a theory. But there are at least two of these shootings linked to 8chan.

Is Incelchan a real thing? :lo!

There's clearly more to it than that. We all talk about a number of things, and there's certainly cowards and re s everywhere, but you can't hand over a gun over the internet. It's like the video game or TV excuses. Millions of people grew up playing games and TV (including violence), the vast majority don't act on it in real life.

Words do have an impact, however, I think we can agree on that. And that goes both for the Incelchan crowd, as it goes to politicos and public figureheads that foment hatred and violence.

[DarrinS]

There's clearly more to it than that. We all talk about a number of things, and there's certainly cowards and re s everywhere, but you can't hand over a gun over the internet. It's like the video game or TV excuses. Millions of people grew up playing games and TV (including violence), the vast majority don't act on it in real life.

Words do have an impact, however, I think we can agree on that. And that goes both for the Incelchan crowd, as it goes to politicos and public figureheads that foment hatred and violence.

Well, if you pass all background checks, you can legally get a firearm. That 2A thingy.

I just wonder if better AI can prevent certain people from acquiring them, which is another slippery slope.

[midnightpulp]

I've asked several times what effect social media and crazed chat rooms are having on these losers, but no one wants to talk about that.

They likely have a profound effect since they're negative feedback loop echo chambers where hate and even murder of the "other" is normalized and even celebrated. But the "solution" will be a draconian policing of freedom of speech, which I don't think anyone wants. I've stated in another thread that modern day America is in the middle of a mental health and addiction crisis never before seen in the country, the former of which being amplified by the Internet. The current social reality isn't the same as the 1950s social reality where there was a certain pastoral charm to a 12 year old living in the Midwest getting his first 22 rifle and using it to innocently plink cans or shoot his first turkey for dinner.

When the social reality changes, the laws need to change. Hard age minimum of at least 22 for all firearm purchases, starting with a tier 1 one license that allows for purchase of shotguns and single shot rifles. You prove yourself a responsible owner of your first gun for a year, you qualify for a tier 2 license, allowing for purchase of hand guns. Something to that effect.

[R. DeMurre]

Guns are illegal at bars in every state

Not true. You can legally carry a gun in bars or restaurants with alcohol in more than ten states, but you can't drink.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-l...-restrictions/

[DMC]

But it is discussed. It's actually used as a prima facie example of a failure in the system. It's traced down to gangs, drugs, poverty, and then those issues are the ones tackled. One thing it is not, is excused or ignored.

Ok, show me the threads here that discuss Chicago gang shooting and what to do about it.

[DMC]

ducksMC still wants to talk about gang violence.

Marginalizing these killings as "gang violence" doesn't detract from the fact they are mass shootings, or shootings in general. Gang affiliation is a side note.

Adam Laminator should know better.

[DMC]

Let’s increase mental health awareness there. Best possible solution

Let's sweep it under the rug with a passive aggressive quip.

[DarrinS]

They likely have a profound effect since they're negative feedback loop echo chambers where hate and even murder of the "other" is normalized and even celebrated. But the "solution" will be a draconian policing of freedom of speech, which I don't think anyone wants. I've stated in another thread that modern day America is in the middle of a mental health and addiction crisis never before seen in the country, the former of which being amplified by the Internet. The current social reality isn't the same as the 1950s social reality where there was a certain pastoral charm to a 12 year old living in the Midwest getting his first 22 rifle and using it to innocently plink cans or shoot his first turkey for dinner.

When the social reality changes, the laws need to change. Hard age minimum of at least 22 for all firearm purchases, starting with a tier 1 one license that allows for purchase of shotguns and single shot rifles. You prove yourself a responsible owner of your first gun for a year, you qualify for a tier 2 license, allowing for purchase of hand guns. Something to that effect.

I'm not even a gun owner, but I live a very safe area.

Can't say I disagree with anything you posted.

[midnightpulp]

Ok, show me the threads here that discuss Chicago gang shooting and what to do about it.

The thing with Chicago is that it's just a lazy deflection. And when people use that deflection, what point are they trying to make? Do they want equal outrage from "the left" about what results from inner city gang violence vis a vis a cold blooded mass shooting? Murder in unmotivated cold blood directed at soft targets like churches and schools will always generate more outrage and fear than reading/hearing about gang violence. And yes, there's usually quite a bit of outrage when innocents are caught in gang crossfire, but the outrage is usually localized, since these stories really don't get national attention. A big story in my city was a toddler being caught in gang crossfire, and there was hang wringing for what seemed like months, the local paper and citizens calling for solutions.

[ElNono]

Well, if you pass all background checks, you can legally get a firearm. That 2A thingy.

I just wonder if better AI can prevent certain people from acquiring them, which is another slippery slope.

Let's start by acknowledging that there's big money in politics for refusing to even have gun owners take a periodic mental health test.

This is absolutely basic, but, you also have science deniers at every corner, so if the crazies are running the asylum, then let's start addressing that instead of looking for every excuse in the book to not do anything.

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It always comes down to the guns. We can't give them up. We'd be dead meat.

So, we'll just go on as before, hoping that A. there are no more shootings, and B. if there are we ain't the one in the jackpot.

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Let's start by acknowledging that there's big money in politics for refusing to even have gun owners take a periodic mental health test.

This is absolutely basic, but, you also have science deniers at every corner, so if the crazies are running the asylum, then let's start addressing that instead of looking for every excuse in the book to not do anything.

You ain't getting the guns, El. No.

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The thing with Chicago is that it's just a lazy deflection. And when people use that deflection, what point are they trying to make? Do they want equal outrage from "the left" about what results from inner city gang violence vis a vis a cold blooded mass shooting? Murder in unmotivated cold blood directed at soft targets like churches and schools will always generate more outrage and fear than reading/hearing about gang violence. And yes, there's usually quite a bit of outrage when innocents are caught in gang crossfire, but the outrage is usually localized, since these stories really don't get national attention. A big story in my city was a toddler being caught in gang crossfire, and there was hang wringing for what seemed like months, the local paper and citizens calling for solutions.

It's the truth & comes in so handy at times like this.

[midnightpulp]

It's the truth & comes in so handy at times like this.

Don't deny that truth, but what is the point of mentioning it? What are you trying to achieve by mentioning that point? That gangs fighting each other over drug markets result in deaths? Water is wet. Mass shootings at soft targets are a different phenomenon.

[DarrinS]

Let's start by acknowledging that there's big money in politics for refusing to even have gun owners take a periodic mental health test.

This is absolutely basic, but, you also have science deniers at every corner, so if the crazies are running the asylum, then let's start addressing that instead of looking for every excuse in the book to not do anything.

I was with up to "deniers"

[ElNono]

Ok, show me the threads here that discuss Chicago gang shooting and what to do about it.

I'll do you one better, I'll give you the Chicago Tribune tracker on the POTUS using Chicago entirely for political gain:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...htmlstory.html

And so, we can't claim there's no awareness to the situation there. A cursory 'violence problematic in chicago' google search will give you both thorough reporting, statistics and plenty of coverage.

The fallacy is to say "look at Chicago!" as if that's the bar. That's the bottom right now, just like New York or LA were at some point in time.

[pgardn]

It always comes down to the guns. We can't give them up. We'd be dead meat.

So, we'll just go on as before, hoping that A. there are no more shootings, and B. if there are we ain't the one in the jackpot.

What exactly is going to kill you... and me I guess?

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Don't deny that truth, but what is the point of mentioning it? What are you trying to achieve by mentioning that point? That gangs fighting each other over drug markets result in deaths? Water is wet. Mass shootings at soft targets are a different phenomenon.

It muddies the water from yesterday, gives us a toe hold for the climb back up. It's all a game, midst. Media is trying to marshal all factors to beat Trump next November. I'm trying to marshal all factors to thwart Media and get another 4 years. We will BOTH use any means at our disposal.

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What exactly is going to kill you... and me I guess?

(law enforcement)

[ElNono]

I was with up to "deniers"

Look, I had some poster here complain that if he had to go get a mental health check every X years, then he was going to doubt if the doctor had ulterior motives, should a test came back with a red flag. Goes without saying this is a guy that loves to hop into all this conspira theories. Calling a person like that a science denier, I would argue, is being fairly kind.

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Look, I had some poster here complain that if he had to go get a mental health check every X years, then he was going to doubt if the doctor had ulterior motives, should a test came back with a red flag. Goes without saying this is a guy that loves to hop into all this conspira theories. Calling a person like that a science denier, I would argue, is being fairly kind.

& what's stopping that (doctor) from fudging the protocol? "Mildred, I owe it to my country."

No in' way, El. No.

[ElNono]

You ain't getting the guns, El. No.

I don't want anybody's guns. What I want is to make sure that your depression after 8 years with no playoffs isn't a factor to get you to kill your loved ones, yourself or any other random people. Seems fairly logical, tbh

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I don't want anybody's guns. What I want is to make sure that your depression after 8 years with no playoffs isn't a factor to get you to kill your loved ones, yourself or any other random people. Seems fairly logical, tbh

They were selling your , El.

[DarrinS]

Look, I had some poster here complain that if he had to go get a mental health check every X years, then he was going to doubt if the doctor had ulterior motives, should a test came back with a red flag. Goes without saying this is a guy that loves to hop into all this conspira theories. Calling a person like that a science denier, I would argue, is being fairly kind.

Fair enough

As someone who studies patterns, trends, machine learning, etc., we sadly have a large enough dataset to start figuring out what factors are contributing to these atrocities. Seems like a worthy endeavour.