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Gasol's contract as a trade chip will start to gain value next season given the partial guarantee for the last year.
No. Kobe's "there can only be one sun in the sky" at ude beat the Lakers in the finals vs. Detroit (along with Malone's knee injury). I don't call 56 wins and a Finals appearance "derailing". I still recall the game in Detroit where LA was rallying behind Shaq, and Kobe having none of that, promptly shot them out of it. Spurs fans don't remember or give a rats rear. Lakers fans do. I think that was the season somebody got into trouble in Colorado. It wasn't Shaq. O'Neal played in 67 games that season. Kobe 65. Try again.
Gasol's contract as a trade chip will start to gain value next season given the partial guarantee for the last year.
pop and demar both have bad skin so maybe they’ll be able to connect on a higher level than pop and kawhi.
At least Methlahoma is in the states. Kiwi now needs a passport to attend his autism classes after practice. That's some bull sonMurkedNot sure if you're serious or not and this has nothing to do with anything Kawhi related....but Toronto is a significantly better city than Oklahoma City...
Have you even been outside the US since entering it?
I'm pretty shocked by the responses to this trade in here. You get two years of DeRozan, at least, in exchange for 1 year of Kawhi. Danny Green is a nice 3 and D player, but you also get either 2 2nd round picks (which the Spurs have done great with historically) or, fairly likely, a late first round pick. Oh, and a 22 year old center with a PER of almost 18.
DeMar is a healthy, high-minutes combo guard who was 2nd team All-NBA *LAST YEAR*. I get that he has had defensive weaknesses but he has all the tools to be at least an average defender in a much better defensive system like San Antonio. Look at how LaMarcus went from an average to an above-average defensive center just by being in a better system.
Yes, this will be a throwback mid-range team next year with DeMar, but the idea that getting 2-3 years of control for a durable 2nd Team All-NBA player in his physical prime in exchange for giving up a guy who has burned every bridge, promises that he'll only sign with one team (LA) that's unwilling to give up anything, and who only played a dozen games last year... is a BAD TRADE... is shockingly unrealistic.
The Cavs got smoked in the Kyrie deal. The Spurs salvaged a surprisingly good return on a toxic asset that destroyed his trade value by announcing his future plans in advance. Period.
So Kawhi was willing to go to USA basketball camp even though Pop was the coach and Pop thought the situation couldn't be resolved? They were in the same situation with LMA last year but didn't end up trading him. Regardless of how you feel about Kawhi, this trade does not make the Spurs better. That's sour grapes.
Also last year Paul George announced he wanted to go to the Lakers and the Thunders still ended up being able to hang on to him. I find it hard the believe the relationship couldn't have been salvaged.
Kawhi's sister just thanked San Antonio.
https://foxsanantonio.com/sports/spu...to-san-antonio
Verbosity clearly runs in the family.
I don’t know what you guys are talking about. DeRozan and Poeltl for Danny Green is a great trade.
Nice to see timvp around, but have to sincerely disagree about Ginobili coming back for another season.
The Spurs have two young guards (White & Walker) that need time on the court to develop and improve. Marco was already brought back and will eat into that time. Ginobili sticking around would insure that neither sees significant court time (two 1st round picks in the G League?) or gains a prominent role.
Manu is 40 or 41 which is well, well past the age for an effective, rotational guard in the NBA. And I think White has the skillset to at least best what old ass/washed Manu can produce on a nightly basis (+ much fresher legs and more athleticism). He can be paired with any of Mills, Belinelli or Murray and likely be effective.
Time to think ahead and let the old dogs die/sleep.
Lastly, they should keep a roster spot open for a possible trade of either Mills or Gasol for multiple players or for a "diamond in the rough" signing of a SF. I don't think a group of Gay, DeRozan, Cunningham and Belinelli gets it done in today's NBA.
Fit the record, Fathead doesn’t belong with the rest of your hobbitses or traffic cones like Tony and Joff. You may hate that he was a reluctant shooter but a traffic cone he wasn’t tbh.
Murray’s effort and awareness in college was terrible. First if all he was really skinny, he has added muscle in his 3 years in the league. And he gave up on plays, but he was always a special rebounder and his length allowed him to rack up steals at a great rate. He had potential to develop defensively with great tools and already a great rebounder, good motor and steals hawk. It’s one thing to talk about a young prospect that has never been in the NBA and is raw and another about a veteran of 8-9 seasons.
But Pop will figure something out.
Probably a stretch to include him with those other guys...but I do think Kyle also benefited from being in the Spurs defensive scheme. Will be interesting to see if it carries over into Memphis.
As a long-time lurker, it's good to see a timvp analysis. Good stuff.
I'm pretty happy with this trade for a number of reasons:
1. This is clearly the best offer, with regards to the balance of staying compe ive and staying in contention in the future. Even with all of DeRozan's faults, the guy can get his own shot, which is something the Spurs were desperately missing last year. That alone will make the offense work far better than it did last year. His defense does leave quite a bit to be desired, but he has been apparently focusing on improving that this summer, and he's known for always adding components to his game. Maybe he makes a jump in quality in that area here in SA (LMA is a pretty good example of that very thing happening).
2. I was initially pretty unhappy with the lack of OG Anunoby in the deal. Obviously he would still be nice to have, but the more I read about Poeltl, the more I like him. He's huge, mobile, protects the rim exceptionally well and is almost as good at finishing at the rim, too (above average). He's also an offensive rebounding nightmare for opponents. All of this, and he's still only 22. His ceiling would be Steven Adams, who is a pretty damn good player, and I would bet on him getting close to that.
PS: Here's a crazy stat (not sure how much I buy how indicative it is, but it's interesting): he's second in his draft class in WS-only Ben Simmons is higher (Dejounte Murray is tenth, ahead of Brandon Ingram, btw).
3. Kawhi going to Toronto was my second favorite choice in terms of sheer laughs. Want LA? Good to know. Here's the next flight to Toronto. Enjoy the cold, Canadian lifestyle, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Only better option? Charlotte.
Not just a stretch. It's, ahem, indefensible. Anderson was at worst the 4th-best defender on the team (Aldridge, Murray, Green) last year and light years ahead of the rest of that list.
His contract has value TODAY. Free agency is for all intents and purposes over and teams shouldn’t be concerned with cap space now.
Yes, there is more value in the offseason or even at the deadline when teams know they’re out of it. But it’s a valuable trade chip - not quite like the Kendrick Perkins completely non-guaranteed deal a few years ago - but good nonetheless.
Good guess. We know Kiwi said no.
I wonder if we will ever get a "Thank you, San Antonio" from Nephew himself. I just find it hard to believe he has such a big grudge against anyone on the team, or Pop, or the fans that he can't be gracious and say goodbye in a nice way.
While I would certainly agree...…
Article claimed NBA execs, GMs/those with player acquisition power would not consider Kwa camp performance to mean squat.
Kind of like the NFL Pro Bowl where it's understood everyone is there to take it easy and anyone playing a lick of D thus even coming a mile within causing an injury to another is shunned.
I'm in the camp that something huge has not been revealed yet.
Do not believe that Kwa character is at all as y* as Bitter Spurs Fan makes it out to be.
*Do believe he should have said something. Issued some kind of phucking statement.
Perhaps Kiwi will not play in Toronto all that much after all, if his group keeps demanding a trade. Toronto may yet get more assets for their rebuild if Kiwi turned out healthy but still cancerous in wanting out.
Kiwi may also continue with his injuries too. There’s a real possibility Danny ends up playing a lot more games than Kiwi does for Toronto.
I will be obsessed with watching TOR. I hate Kawhi but as a basketball fan he’s a stud and if he’s remotely healthy TOR could terrorize teams. I will watch damn near every single game to see how things develop and TOR/PHI/BOS will be awesome to watch in the East with IND too.
Your jinxing powers are nothing like daboms. It’s underrated how dabom jinxed Kiwi.
He’s dead to me. Only reason why I would watch Toronto is because of Danny and that’s it. Otherwise Kawhi and whatever team he’s on.
I’m going to be really pissed when TOR trades Danny to a team and gets their pick back basically.
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