Yahoo: Spurs front-runners in race for Maggette

[traitoravery]

Spurs front-runners in race for Maggette
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports

The San Antonio Spurs have targeted Corey Maggette and are the front-runners to sign the Los Angeles Clippers’ free agent forward, multiple league sources said Tuesday night.

While no deal was imminent, Maggette would be expected to sign a multi-year deal for the mid-level exception, a move that would fulfill the Spurs’ desperate need for perimeter athleticism and scoring. Maggette would be leaving the Clippers, just as the team came to an agreement with Golden State free agent Baron Davis on a contract. With so much sudden salary cap space, the Warriors could be a threat to swoop in and take Maggette for themselves. The Boston Celtics have also shown serious interest in Maggette.

Another team with salary cap room, the Philadelphia 76ers, will present Atlanta Hawks restricted free agent Josh Smith an offer sheet on Wednesday when he visits with Sixers general manager Ed Stefanski in Philadelphia, two league sources said.

The Spurs struggled to generate points in the Western Conference finals against the Los Angeles Lakers and believe Maggette could make a dramatic impact as a complement to Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker. Maggette averaged 22.1 points and 5.6 rebounds for the Clippers, who expect now to quickly re-sign free agent Elton Brand.

The Spurs had targeted Maggette as an explosive offensive addition to an offense that struggled to generate points in the Western Conference finals against the Los Angeles Lakers. Maggette averaged 22.1 points and 5.6 rebounds for the Clippers, who expect now to quickly re-sign free agent Elton Brand.

Maggette, 28, opted out of his contract with the Clippers on Monday, along with Brand. He had hopes of returning to the Orlando Magic, but the Spurs, who have an interest in Denver restricted free agent J.R. Smith and Detroit free agent Jarvis Hayes, made an aggressive push in the last 24 hours to sell Maggette on playing an important part in restoring them to a championship team.

“He’s going to take a lot of the offensive load off (Manu) Ginobili, but (Spurs coach Gregg) Popovich will have to hide him defensively on the floor,” a Western Conference scout said Tuesday night.

Maggette can sign on July 9, once the NBA’s moratorium on free agents is lifted.

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Fuck Yeah!!!:downspin:

[Buddy Holly]

hellz Yes!

[Marcus Bryant]

Nice.

[romad_20]

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Fuck Yeah!!!:downspin:

Shut the fuck up :wow Well, i'm not getting my hopes up until pen meets paper.

[Buddy Holly]

The San Antonio Spurs have targeted Corey Maggette and are the front-runners to sign the Los Angeles Clippers’ free agent forward, multiple league sources said Tuesday night.

[remingtonbo2001]

Fresh off the Rack.

[O-Factor]

Awesome.

[duncan228]

“He’s going to take a lot of the offensive load off (Manu) Ginobili, but (Spurs coach Gregg) Popovich will have to hide him defensively on the floor,” a Western Conference scout said Tuesday night.

[Buddy Holly]

http://www.coreymaggetteonline.org/images/Corey-Maggette-pic.jpg

[Marcus Bryant]

Maggette, 28, opted out of his contract with the Clippers on Monday, along with Brand. He had hopes of returning to the Orlando Magic, but the Spurs, who have an interest in Denver restricted free agent J.R. Smith and Detroit free agent Jarvis Hayes, made an aggressive push in the last 24 hours to sell Maggette on playing an important part in restoring them to a championship team.

“He’s going to take a lot of the offensive load off (Manu) Ginobili, but (Spurs coach Gregg) Popovich will have to hide him defensively on the floor,” a Western Conference scout said Tuesday night.

Maggette can sign on July 9, once the NBA’s moratorium on free agents is lifted.

[Buddy Holly]

If Finley's D made it three seasons with the Spurs, Maggette will be fine.

[timvp]

Holy crap. I thought Maggette would be unattainable this offseason. Thank you Baron Davis.

If this becomes official, the Spurs would have gotten the best shooting guard in the open market. :wow

[completely deck]

oh please please please

[bigdog]

HELL YES.

I'm waiting to see a report on an agreement, but if they are really the frontrunners, then HELL YES.

[Buddy Holly]

Holy crap. I thought Maggette would be unattainable this offseason. Thank you Baron Davis.

If this becomes official, the Spurs would have gotten the best shooting guard in the open market. :wow

From .1% to 1% to 99.9999999%? :downspin:

[traitoravery]

The Big Four!! :hungry:

[T Park]

Holy shit

wow wow ow


How nice would that be.

[td4mvp21]

Holy crap....please let this happen...

[timvp]

From .1 to 1 to 99.9999999? :downspin:Still early. Teams with cap space haven't been spoken for yet. I still say it's less than a 50% chance but perhaps there is fire behind this smoke.

[TheMadHatter]

Wow the Maggette race is now getting started. I heard he wanted to go back to ORL though. They desperately need a SG/SF player like him as well.

[T Park]

While no deal was imminent

That gives me some serious pause.

[objective]

He doesn't shoot a good %, but neither did Finley!

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, one thing's for certain. They aren't aiming to "stand pat."

Imagine that.

[T Park]

Still early. Teams with cap space haven't been spoken for yet. I still say it's less than a 50% chance but perhaps there is fire behind this smoke.

According to the article Philly is going after Josh Smith so that would take them out of the running.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Normally I wouldn't put too much stock in it but there's that whole comment about multiple league sources are saying it.

The Spurs and their personnel moves don't make waves, so if there's smoke with this, it's coming from Maggette's camp. Interesting development.

[Pistons < Spurs]

:wow:wow

[T Park]

Well, one thing's for certain. They aren't aiming to "stand pat."

Imagine that.


Shocking.

[Bruno]

Getting Maggette would be unexpected and awesome.

Spurs will have basically fixed their perimeter.

PG : Parker / Hill / Vaughn
SG : Bowen / Ginobili / shooter (Finley, Barry, Giricek ..)
SF : Maggette / Udoka / prospect (Hairston, Gist..)

[Biggems]

I just shit my shorts with excitement....brb, I have to change

[TheMadHatter]

The race is just getting started. Teams with capspace will weigh in and then things will get interesting. Right now nobody has offered Maggette anything above the MLE, who knows if it will stay that way.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Please make it so.

[T Park]

The race is just getting started. Teams with capspace will weigh in and then things will get interesting. Right now nobody has offered Maggette anything above the MLE, who knows if it will stay that way.


There are two teams with room more than MLE

One is the Sixers and they are preparing a deal for Josh Smith.

So its down to 1.

[remingtonbo2001]

It's like the night before Christmas....In July.

[Buddy Holly]

Does anyone think we could sign Barnes for the LLE?

[Brutalis]

Woo wee Maggz is playing our fiddle.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He doesn't shoot a good %, but neither did Finley!

He averages 22 points per game on 46% FG shooting and shoots 2% better than Finley from three. :wtf

[Marcus Bryant]

The first domino fell, which was the Clippers needing to renounce him to sign another free agent and thereby precluding the possibility of a sign and trade.

Now the Spurs will need the Warriors, Sixers, and Grizzlies to use their cap space on other players.

If that falls, then the Spurs will basically have to lure him to SA over other teams offering the same amount of $.

[td4mvp21]

What about Maggette for the MLE and Diop for the LLE? That would be ideal.

[oligarchy]

Getting Maggette would be unexpected and awesome.

Spurs will have basically fixed their perimeter.

PG : Parker / Hill / Vaughn
SG : Bowen / Ginobili / shooter (Finley, Barry, Giricek ..)
SF : Maggette / Udoka / prospect (Hairston, Gist..)

So, Maggette for MLE, and that would leave LLE and minimum contracts. What do you think the chances are that Giricek would sign for LLE? I would love to have Giricek at SG for LLE. He plays some pretty good D and is a pretty good shooter.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Does anyone think we could sign Barnes for the LLE?

I think the LLE is going to Barry or the last big.

[montgod]

I think there are three teams in the race: Spurs, Celtics, and Magic.

It's really up to Maggette who he wants to go with. Throw in the fact that SA and FL are tax free states. The Spurs really could get him.

Lets hope this works out and doesn't turn out like.... you know who from the CLippers back in the day - even though it was a good omen that he never came.

[T Park]

The first domino fell, which was the Clippers needing to renounce him to sign another free agent and thereby precluding the possibility of a sign and trade.

Now the Spurs will need the Warriors, Sixers, and Grizzlies to use their cap space on other players.

If that falls, then the Spurs will basically have to lure him to SA over other teams offering the same amount of $.


Ah ok.

Grizzlies doesn't seem likely cause they just got Mayo and they are not in a win now mode.

Warriors is a possibility, and the Sixers are supposedly targeting Josh Smith number 1 though.

[objective]

He averages 22 points per game on 46% FG shooting and shoots 2% better than Finley from three. :wtf

I was just pointing out that at worst he'll shoot like Finley.

[oligarchy]

I think the LLE is going to Barry or the last big.

We don't have to use the LLE on Barry, we can use the non-bird exception (or Thomas if we resigned him).

[timvp]

The thing I love about Maggette's game is his ability to get to the free throw line. He gets to the line as much as Parker and Ginobili combined. He can also rebound and has the tools to be a good defender.

He's a little bit of a china doll and his character can sometimes be questioned, however for the MLE, he's a FANTASTIC buy. This is a guy who can give you about 20 points and five boards a night while getting to the free throw line 9 or 10 times per game.

If Spurs fans wanted JR Smith, Maggette is basically JR Smith except not crazy and with a more varied repertoire.

Damn, this would be so nice.

[Buddy Holly]

Maggette, 28, opted out of his contract with the Clippers on Monday, along with Brand. He had hopes of returning to the Orlando Magic, but the Spurs, who have an interest in Denver restricted free agent J.R. Smith and Detroit free agent Jarvis Hayes, made an aggressive push in the last 24 hours to sell Maggette on playing an important part in restoring them to a championship team.

Doesn't that sort of read like he said yes to the Spurs?

[T Park]

So, Maggette for MLE, and that would leave LLE and minimum contracts (I believe they also have the bi-annual). What do you think the chances are that Giricek would sign for LLE (or bi-annual)? I would love to have Giricek at SG for LLE. He plays some pretty good D and is a pretty good shooter.

Yeah if Barry leaves that would be idea signing him.

Pop likes his defense.

[td4mvp21]

He averages 22 points per game on 46% FG shooting and shoots 2% better than Finley from three. :wtf

Not only that, but he's an athletic slasher. Also, he averaged 5.6 rpg. I'll take that from a wing/small forward any day.

[T Park]

The thing I love about Maggette's game is his ability to get to the free throw line. He gets to the line as much as Parker and Ginobili combined. He can also rebound and has the tools to be a good defender.

He's a little bit of a china doll and his character can sometimes be questioned, however for the MLE, he's a FANTASTIC buy. This is a guy who can give you about 20 points and five boards a night while getting to the free throw line 9 or 10 times per game.

If Spurs fans wanted JR Smith, Maggette is basically JR Smith except not crazy and with a more varied repertoire.

Damn, this would be so nice.


The perfect small ball 4 as well when needed.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The first domino fell, which was the Clippers needing to renounce him to sign another free agent and thereby precluding the possibility of a sign and trade.

Now the Spurs will need the Warriors, Sixers, and Grizzlies to use their cap space on other players.

If that falls, then the Spurs will basically have to lure him to SA over other teams offering the same amount of $.

Memphis has Rudy Gay, O.J. Mayo, Antoine Walker, and Hakeem Warrick. Don't see them chasing another G/F.

To me, it comes down to Philly and GS.

[MI21]

I'm thinking not a lot of the Spurs fans realise just how good Maggette is.

This would also make the drafting of a backup PG a very good move and with Mahinmi coming through the Spurs would have just got some youth, energy and athleticism all over the court.

Please happen!

[Biggems]

So lets say we do get Maggette for the MLE, can we use the LLE and the trade exemptions together to get, let's say Barnes?

[T Park]

Doesn't that sort of read like he said yes to the Spurs?

Makes it seem like hes "intrigued"

I wouldn't say signed though.

[Das Texan]

holy fuck!


this alone would make the offseason a sterling success.

[oligarchy]

Ah ok.

Grizzlies doesn't seem likely cause they just got Mayo and they are not in a win now mode.

Warriors is a possibility, and the Sixers are supposedly targeting Josh Smith number 1 though.

I think Warriors are waiting on Arenas (I guess Warriors are offering 5-year 100) but Washington is offering 6-year 124. So.. it's possible Arenas could sign with the Warriors, so they may not be targeting Maggette.

[T Park]

holy fuck!


this alone would make the offseason a sterling success.

If that was intended

nice :smokin

[A.H 21-50]

would be nice
imagine the lineup , difficult to stop the spurs with four 20 pts per game players

i need to calm down :flag:

[T Park]

I think Warriors are waiting on Arenas (I guess Warriors are offering 5-year 100) but Washington is offering 6-year 124. So.. it's possible Arenas could sign with the Warriors, so they may not be targeting Maggette.

Well Wershington offered 6 and 106

I think the Warriors are offering balls out all they can.

Dunno how that affects things.

[timvp]

There are two teams with room more than MLE

One is the Sixers and they are preparing a deal for Josh Smith.

So its down to 1.The Hawks will most likely match whatever the Sixers offer. I think the Sixers are still very much in play. They may want a big but then again, they were starting Willie freakin' Green at shooting guard all season last year.

[Jlowd21]

no fuckin way! I cant believe this. Ive been following Maggette since his days at duke and there's no doubt in my mind that he is exactly what we need to get back on top.

[T Park]

Thomas
Duncan
Bowen
Maggette
Parker

Hill
Ginobili
Mahinmi
Udoka
Gist
Hairston
Bonner

Vaughn
IR
IR

[Buddy Holly]

Tony/Hill/Vaughn
Manu/Barnes/Barry
Maggette/Bowen/Gist
Tim/Ian
Thomas/Jav

That'd be a pretty crazy line up.

[completely deck]

i've already said it but...
OH GOD PLEASE

[Big P]

Doesn't Ludden work for yahoo? Why didn't he break this story? Either way....hells yes

[T Park]

The Hawks will most likely match whatever the Sixers offer. I think the Sixers are still very much in play. They may want a big but then again, they were starting Willie freakin' Green at shooting guard a lot last year.

Yeah good point.

This report makes me happy, but its a cautious happy, knowing from the past of dealings with the likes of Tyrone Nesby, D Fish and other FAs, that nothing is set, or done, until its CONFIRMED.

[montgod]

Thomas
Duncan
Bowen
Maggette
Parker

Hill
Ginobili
Mahinmi
Udoka
Gist
Hairston
Bonner

Vaughn
IR
IR

Forgot Oberto and hopefully Barry.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/Mr_Bottomtooth/pop.jpg
Well, after a while, me and RC saw who was left in the free agent market
and we decided that we were gonna surprise all you fuckers.

[T Park]

Tony/Hill/Vaughn
Manu/Barnes/Barry
Maggette/Bowen/Gist
Tim/Ian
Thomas/Jav

That'd be a pretty crazy line up.

Take out Javtokas and Barnes, and then its more realistic.

BTW, your forgetting Oberto.

[timvp]

At the very least, the report should help those emo Spurs fans untie the noose and realize the Spurs aren't content to just bring back the same team.

[T Park]

Forgot Oberto and hopefully Barry.

Fuck

thank you.

Yeah with them in there, IF Barry comes back, thats a damn stacked team that is damn damn damn hard to beat.

[oligarchy]

Thomas
Duncan
Bowen
Maggette
Parker

Hill
Ginobili
Mahinmi
Udoka
Gist
Hairston
Bonner

Vaughn
IR
IR

Now that's a crappy line-up and bench...

[exstatic]

API - In a surprise reversal, Corey Maggette has renounced his interest in the Spurs, since the number 50 is not available for him to wear.

[ShoogarBear]

The thing I love about Maggette's game is his ability to get to the free throw line. He gets to the line as much as Parker and Ginobili combined.

Yep, that is key. Maggette will go cold as much as anyone else on the team, but unlike everyone else, he can still get to the line even when his shots aren't falling.

Tim used to be like that. :depressed

[Buddy Holly]

Take out Javtokas and Barnes, and then its more realistic.

BTW, your forgetting Oberto.

Had to use Oberto and Udoka in a S&T for Barnes.

[Marcus Bryant]

Starters
1 Parker
2 Maggette
3 Bowen
4 Duncan
5 Thomas

Bench
1 Hill
2 Ginobili
2 Barry or FA
2/3 Udoka
4 Bonner
4/5 Mahinmi
5 Oberto

IR
1 Vaughn
2/3 Hairston
3/4 Gist

[T Park]

Had to use Oberto and Udoka in a S&T for Barnes.

No need to S&T when hes a FA and isn't going back.


GS wouldn't want those guys anyways.

Wouldn't need to give up those guys either.

[Buddy Holly]

So we'd potentially have four players who can average in the high teens/lower 20's?

[timvp]

Yep, that is key. Maggette will go cold as much as anyone else on the team, but unlike everyone else, he can still get to the line even when his shots aren't falling.

Tim used to be like that. :depressedYeah, pre-Joey incident, Duncan used to get to the line about as often as Maggette.

Now? About half that :(

[T Park]

Starters
1 Parker
2 Maggette
3 Bowen
4 Duncan
5 Thomas

Bench
1 Hill
2 Ginobili
2 Barry or FA
2/3 Udoka
4 Bonner
4/5 Mahinmi
5 Oberto

IR
1 Vaughn
2/3 Hairston
3/4 Gist


Raise banner number 5 fuckers :smokin

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Starters
1 Parker
2 Maggette
3 Bowen
4 Duncan
5 Thomas

Bench
1 Hill
2 Ginobili
2 Barry or FA
2/3 Udoka
4 Bonner
4/5 Mahinmi
5 Oberto

IR
1 Vaughn
2/3 Hairston
3/4 Gist
Chingao, that's nice.

[Buddy Holly]

No need to S&T when hes a FA and isn't going back.


GS wouldn't want those guys anyways.

Wouldn't need to give up those guys either.

So do you think he'd sign for the LLE?

[Brutalis]

Wow looks like a lot of you have already lost your nut.

[montgod]

Now that's a crappy line-up and bench...

Not to mention, I wouldn't get too hopeful about the second round picks. I hope they stick, but I could realistically see this as the final lineup:

Tony/Hill/Vaughn
Maggette/Ginobli/Barry
Bowen/Udoka/Finley
Tim/Horry/Ian/Bonner
Thomas/Oberto

[T Park]

So do you think he'd sign for the LLE?


Not really.

Giving the MLE to Maggette would effectively take you out of the running for any other wing IMO.

[Biggems]

once again I will ask.....if we use the MLE on Maggette....

are we then allowed to combine the LLE with the trade exemptions to sign another top caliber FA, let's say a Matt Barnes?

[T Park]

Not to mention, I wouldn't get too hopeful about the second round picks. I hope they stick, but I could realistically see this as the final lineup:

Tony/Hill/Vaughn
Maggette/Ginobli/Barry
Bowen/Udoka/Finley
Tim/Horry/Ian/Bonner
Thomas/Oberto


I restate.

Raise banner number 5.

[timvp]

It's time for Pop to bust out the mariachis. Mariachis are one-for-one when it comes to signing free agent swingmen away from the Clippers.

:smokin

[T Park]

once again I will ask.....if we use the MLE on Maggette....

are we then allowed to combine the LLE with the trade exemptions to sign another top caliber FA, let's say a Matt Barnes?

The trade exceptions can't be combined.

[oligarchy]

Yeah, pre-Joey incident, Duncan used to get to the line about as often as Maggette.

Now? About half that :(

7.1 in 07, 5.9 in 08.

Maggette... 9.7 last year.. :wow

[montgod]

I restate.

Raise banner number 5.

No doubt babaaaaa!

I would just hope that Ian and Udoka's defense gets WAY better over the offseason.

[T Park]

It's time for Pop to bust out the mariachis. Mariachis are one-for-one when it comes to signing free agent swingmen away from the Clippers.

:smokin

:lmao

I can just see the press conference.

"I was considering SA, and was gonna fly to Orlando and Oakland, but when Pop was there with Duncan and the mariachis, I knew SA was my new home"

[El Jefe]

The perfect small ball 4 as well when needed.

Didn't even think about that. You might have sold me right there.

[Biggems]

The trade exceptions can't be combined.

can the trade exceptions be combined with each other at all? i mean that would suck if they cant, cause we have 3 of them, but we might not have room for 3 players.

[ShoogarBear]

I restate.

Raise banner number 5.

A LOT will still depend on what Ian contributes.

[AFBlue]

Woooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[John_C]

Fuck this! Maggette must now opt to play for Spurs. This will be a win win situation for both camp.

[jack sommerset]

Not to be a downer but with very few FA, this maybe a ploy to get more money from another team.

[GopherSA]

Well, well, well.

This would certainly do much to shore up the chances of continuing the "Spurs only win the title in odd numbered years" thing, wouldn't it?

[T Park]

7.1 in 07, 5.9 in 08.

Maggette... 9.7 last year.. :wow

Yeah and on top of that, hes a damn good free throw shooter as well.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Re-sign Thomas and use the LLE on the last big and we got our championship team. :smokin

[WildcardManu]

best news i've heard today after being banned from world of warcraft

[Sigz]

What # would he wear?

[T Park]

Well, well, well.

This would certainly do much to shore up the chances of continuing the "Spurs only win the title in odd numbered years" thing, wouldn't it?

It would give some great odds at it yeah :lol

[T Park]

What # would he wear?

If it helped, I'd beg David to hand him a 50.

[WildcardManu]

If it helped, I'd beg David to hand him a 50.

I'd vote same... David might have to put up the #

[oligarchy]

can the trade exceptions be combined with each other at all? i mean that would suck if they cant, cause we have 3 of them, but we might not have room for 3 players.

Nope. No exceptions can be combined.

[T Park]

Re-sign Thomas and use the LLE on the last big and we got our championship team. :smokin

Resign Thomas, Barry, FA big,

call it an offseason in the middle of July.

Sounds fucking great to me :lol

[ShoogarBear]

It's time for Pop to bust out the mariachis. Mariachis are one-for-one when it comes to signing free agent swingmen away from the Clippers.

:smokin


Just don't use words like bust.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

What # would he wear?

My guess is 25. No wait, 33.

[T Park]

I'd vote same... David might have to put up the #


I wouldn't obviously outright give it to him but, if David standing at the airport with the 50 helped, fuck it, stitch it up :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Tony/Hill/Vaughn
Manu/Barnes/Barry
Maggette/Bowen/Gist
Tim/Ian
Thomas/Jav

That'd be a pretty crazy line up.

Especially seeings it won't happen. Bowen would start, Maggette at the 3, Manu off the bench, and that's not even getting into Barnes won't be here for the LLE or the low odds of Javtokas here.

[ShoogarBear]

Not to be a downer but with very few FA, this maybe a ploy to get more money from another team.

Give us at least an hour of fun before we have to consider that.

[T Park]

My guess is 25. No wait, 33.

Yeah I think he had 33 when he was in Orlando.

I don't care. Whatever number he wanted :lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Resign Thomas, Barry, FA big,

call it an offseason in the middle of July.

Sounds fucking great to me :lol

Hell yes. :toast

[Biggems]

Remember how our plane wouldnt fly after the NO series......

Let's make sure that when Maggette's flight lands....that whatever flight he has to get on, becomes severely delayed. Take him to Ruth Criss, PF Chang's, Chris Madrid's, Rudy's, Landry's in the Tower, Piedras Negras de Noche, and the Dominion

[bigdog]

Not to be a downer but with very few FA, this maybe a ploy to get more money from another team.

only 2 other teams can offer more money, and one of them is unlikely to do so, given their status(Grizzlies). Besides, I doubt he'd want to go to a horrible team like MEM.

the other is Philly, who is targeting Josh Smith, but I don't know that he would work well with Iguodala, since they are kind of the same type of player.

[ShoogarBear]

Would feel better if this was a Ludden article, but oh well.

[timvp]

Just don't use words like bust.Good point. Hopefully the Express-News keeps Spurs fans abreast of the situation.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Had to use Oberto and Udoka in a S&T for Barnes.

How do you S&T two guys GS has expressed no interest in for a guy GS doesn't want?

Udoka doesn't fit Nellieball, neither does Oberto (too slow).

[T Park]

Remember how our plane wouldnt fly after the NO series......

Let's make sure that when Maggette's flight lands....that whatever flight he has to get on, becomes severely delayed. Take him to Ruth Criss, PF Chang's, Chris Madrid's, Rudy's, Landry's in the Tower, Piedras Negras de Noche, and the Dominion


Then for a beer at Buffalo Wild Wings.

Its open till 3 :lol

[John_C]

Not to be a downer but with very few FA, this maybe a ploy to get more money from another team.

Man, I hope not. I hope Maggette looks at it in a way that he may play for a Championship contender.

[misterx91578]

please let get it done

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

once again I will ask.....if we use the MLE on Maggette....

are we then allowed to combine the LLE with the trade exemptions to sign another top caliber FA, let's say a Matt Barnes?

Forget the trade exceptions. Barnes will get an offer for more than the LLE.

[T Park]

Funny that Wojnarowski would break this and not Ludden.

It being from yahoo and all.

[exstatic]

OK, I like Maggette, but let me throw just a bit of cold water here. He's a whole 2 years younger than Manu, and 6 older than JR Smith. He's not really the healthy type, and both Doc and Dunleavy hated him as much as Byron and George hated Mr. Smith. This isn't an angel, and he ain't particularly young, although by Spurs standards, he could be considered so. He plays on average 65 games a year.

I like the rebounding and the FTs.

[TheMadHatter]

If I were a betting man I'd say he's going back to ORL for the MLE. Starting role, great location, no income tax.

[T Park]

OK, I like Maggette, but let me throw just a bit of cold water here. He's a whole 2 years younger than Manu, and 6 older than JR Smith. He's not really the healthy type, and both Doc and Dunleavy hated him as much as Byron and George hated Mr. Smith. This isn't an angel, and he ain't particularly young, although by Spurs standards, he could be considered so. He plays on average 65 games a year.

I like the rebounding and the FTs.


I'd still beg him to come.

Like TIMVP said, hes the BEST swingman available.

[Kori Ellis]

I wouldn't obviously outright give it to him but, if David standing at the airport with the 50 helped, fuck it, stitch it up :lol

I'm not so sure I'd want a guy here if his deciding factor was having his choice in jersey number. :lol

Anyway, my opinion of Maggette is the same now as last time they went after him ... he's a balla ... can score, rebound and get to the line. His ability to get to the line and rebound are huge reasons the Spurs should want him. He's a big time china doll too though - you can count on him to miss about 15 games a year. But for the MLE, you can't pass him up.

[The Truth #6]

Though the Sixers and GS (and Memphis) could offer more money, are we reducing the field of competition? I mean, there are other teams like us that only have the MLE to offer, so in that sense, other teams can try to sell him on their city and team for pretty much the same money, right?

For some reason, I imagine that Houston or Dallas and possibly Phoenix will find a way to butt their noses into this deal to try and jinx us, even if it is only talking through the media.

Luckily, Maggette knows we've been trying to get him for a long time. And, Pop somehow finds the charm to woo free agents. He's done it time and time again, however, not usually top free agents.

My question is the timing of when we would make an offer. I wonder if everyone is waiting for the other team to make a move.

My first thought is to move quick so it gives less time for teams like Phili to see if their offer to Josh Smith is matched or not. Waiting would seem to hurt our chances, but I'm curious to hear what other people think.

[Ocotillo]

Remember how our plane wouldnt fly after the NO series......

Let's make sure that when Maggette's flight lands....that whatever flight he has to get on, becomes severely delayed. Take him to Ruth Criss, PF Chang's, Chris Madrid's, Rudy's, Landry's in the Tower, Piedras Negras de Noche, and the Dominion


What you want the guy coming to camp looking like Shaq?

[T Park]

I'm not so sure I'd want a guy here if his deciding factor was having his choice in jersey number. :lol

Anyway, my opinion of Maggette is the same now as last time they went after him ... he's a balla ... can score, rebound and get to the line. His ability to get to the line and rebound are huge reasons the Spurs should want him. He's a big time china doll too though - you can count on him to miss about 15 games a year. But for the MLE, you can't pass him up.



I know, but were desperate here come on :lol

[TheMadHatter]

Man, I hope not. I hope Maggette looks at it in a way that he may play for a Championship contender.

:lmao the guy has rotted his entire career away on the Clippers. Do you really think he cares about getting a ring? The man wants a payday.

[timvp]

After taking a step back and looking at the NBA landscape, I still can't fully buy this. Maggette is far and away the best unrestricted free agent on the market. To make that point, consider that Kurt Thomas is very likely the second best unrestricted free agent on the market :lol

With that said, the Warriors, Sixers or maybe even Grizzlies will have what it takes to outbid the Spurs. If those teams want to make a splash, Maggette is easily the most attainable free agent on this market. They can try to get a Josh Smith or a Ben Gordon ... but when all is said and done, Maggette will almost certainly be their best option.

If I'm Maggette's agent, I tell him to hold off signing anything until the teams with cap room figure out what they are going to do. The MLE is the minimum that Maggette is going to make. Waiting around for the big spenders to swing and miss when trying to get restricted free agents would be the way to get the most money.

The only way Maggette would sign now (July 9th) would be if he just wants to be on the Spurs and help the Spurs get back to championship basketball. That'd be awesome ... but it'd be so against common free agent sense that it's almost unbelievable.

The bottomline is Maggette has to still be considered very much of a longshot ... however, there is hope now.

[ECZ]

im not getting my hopes up just yet....

[robbie380]

wow that would be an amazing coup for you guys. i would have to imagine that some one of the other few teams under the cap would overspend for him but if not...:toast


meh nevermind fuck you guys. i hate yall. :lol

[bigdog]

After taking a step back and looking at the NBA landscape, I still can't fully buy this. Maggette is far and away the best unrestricted free agent on the market. To make that point, consider that Kurt Thomas is very likely the second best unrestricted free agent on the market :lol

With that said, the Warriors, Sixers or maybe even Grizzlies will have what it takes to outbid the Spurs. If those teams want to make a splash, Maggette is easily the most attainable free agent on this market. They can try to get a Josh Smith or a Ben Gordon ... but when all is said and done, Maggette will almost certainly be their best option.

If I'm Maggette's agent, I tell him to hold off signing anything until the teams with cap room figure out what they are going to do. The MLE is the minimum that Maggette is going to make. Waiting around for the big spenders to swing and miss when trying to get restricted free agents would be the way to get the most money.

The only way Maggette would sign now (July 9th) would be if he just wants to be on the Spurs and help the Spurs get back to championship basketball. That'd be awesome ... but it'd be so against common free agent sense that it's almost unbelievable.

The bottomline is Maggette has to still be considered very much of a longshot ... however, there is hope now.

Remember, the Grizzlies ownership is trying to reduce payroll, so I don't see them signing Maggs.

[Bartleby]

If I were a betting man I'd say he's going back to ORL for the MLE. Starting role, great location, no income tax.

Can't blame you for hoping the Spurs don't sign him, but the fact is he would probably start for the Spurs, pay no state income tax, and be on a team that (unlike Orlando) is a legitimate contender every year.

[Biggems]

as far as his health...........he will play less minutes per game for the Spurs than he did for the Clippers. this will help him stay healthy throughout the season.

[El Jefe]

He's a big time china doll too though - you can count on him to miss about 15 games a year.

This looks to be spot on. Played 70 and 75 games the last two seasons, but in 05-06 was only good for 32 games.

But you're right, for the price it's a great option. If you get 70 games out of him, it's a success. And it makes it easier to rest Manu a game here and there, or even for 10 games in one stretch if he needs it.

[montgod]

After taking a step back and looking at the NBA landscape, I still can't fully buy this. Maggette is far and away the best unrestricted free agent on the market. To make that point, consider that Kurt Thomas is very likely the second best unrestricted free agent on the market :lol

With that said, the Warriors, Sixers or maybe even Grizzlies will have what it takes to outbid the Spurs. If those teams want to make a splash, Maggette is easily the most attainable free agent on this market. They can try to get a Josh Smith or a Ben Gordon ... but when all is said and done, Maggette will almost certainly be their best option.

If I'm Maggette's agent, I tell him to hold off signing anything until the teams with cap room figure out what they are going to do. The MLE is the minimum that Maggette is going to make. Waiting around for the big spenders to swing and miss when trying to get restricted free agents would be the way to get the most money.

The only way Maggette would sign now (July 9th) would be if he just wants to be on the Spurs and help the Spurs get back to championship basketball. That'd be awesome ... but it'd be so against common free agent sense that it's almost unbelievable.

The bottomline is Maggette has to still be considered very much of a longshot ... however, there is hope now.

I agree, but I am hoping for two things:

1. He has grown up and realizes he is about to be 29 and has nothing to show for his career in terms of a title.

2. He is a little pissed about being renounced and seeing that it's a possibility that his old team, the Clippers could be successful without him. To get back at them, he makes a Western conference team that much better to try and get to the Finals.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Fuck it, I'm not down with it. We need a young athletic player who will D it up and rebound. The garbage points are numerous in this offense for anyone to pick up on it. We don't need a "china doll" seeing how injuries broke our best chance to repeat only a month ago.

[montgod]

as far as his health...........he will play less minutes per game for the Spurs than he did for the Clippers. this will help him stay healthy throughout the season.

And at the same time, keep Ginobli fresh as well.

[jack sommerset]

Man, I hope not. I hope Maggette looks at it in a way that he may play for a Championship contender.

I get that but you have to look at it from a players point of view. Get what you can now because after that you have to think of the next 30 years of making money. SA is not a big market. Not alot of jobs as a local hero being the 4th best player on a team that won championships before his arrival. Great catch for Spurs but will it pay off for him and his future.

[angelbelow]

incredible to both signing maggette and how fast the thread grew.

[timvp]

Anyway, my opinion of Maggette is the same now as last time they went after him ... he's a balla ... can score, rebound and get to the line. His ability to get to the line and rebound are huge reasons the Spurs should want him. He's a big time china doll too though - you can count on him to miss about 15 games a year. But for the MLE, you can't pass him up.Agreed. If Maggette signs, hopefully Maggette and Ginobili figure out a way to not end up missing the same 15 games each year. Some teamwork would be appreciated.

:hat

[timvp]

Fuck it, I'm not down with it. We need a young athletic player who will D it up and rebound. The garbage points are numerous in this offense for anyone to pick up on it. We don't need a "china doll" seeing how injuries broke our best chance to repeat only a month ago.The Spurs had to rely too much on garbage points last year. They didn't have enough skill points.

[AFBlue]

Spurs need an athletic wing player that can do more than just shoot (i.e. score and get to the line)....I don't see how you do any better than Corey Maggette, especially for the MLE.

Maggette comes with almost none of the risk that JR Smith does and has nearly the upside. If the Spurs didn't have to give up anything to get him, they'd be stupid not to.

[El Jefe]

Agreed. If Maggette signs, hopefully Maggette and Ginobili figure out a way to not end up missing the same 15 games each year. Some teamwork would be appreciated.

:hat

:rollin
Maybe the should draw straws to see who gets to sit out first?

[SportsRadioLos]

Don't worry about the Sixers in this deal. They're getting involved with Josh Smith at around 12 mil per year. And with Hawks ownership being what it is, they'll let him split. Not like any other team in the NBA has to go to court to sign a player for longer than 4 years...

Throw Memphis out the window. They're for sale and are not taking on anymore payroll unless it's little Gasol.

To me this comes down to Orlando, Boston, and SA.

[Darkwaters]

Would feel better if this was a Ludden article, but oh well.

Count your blessings. At least it's not Hoopsworld.

[bavarianworks]

Parker/HIll
Ginobili
Maggette/Bowen
Duncan
Ian/Thomas

That SHOULD be the starting 5.

[exstatic]

incredible to both signing maggette and how fast the thread grew.

Uh, nobody signed nuthin', yet.

[Ocotillo]

this thread is on fire.

I am not going to get too excited just yet. It's early and a lot of things can happen.

BTW, J.R. who?

[SScarrJ]

Well it sounds as if the money is gonna be around the MLE no matter what he does at this point. I really don't see any teams like Philly or Memphis breaking the bank for him since both teams already have an athletic wing who attacks the basket (Gay & Iggy). But then again I didn't really see a team spending 100+ mil on R. Lewis last summer.

[Gino2882]

This really, honestly, would be ideal for the Spurs. A super athletic swingman who absolutely takes it to the rack relentlessly. He would be tremendous.

[AC#21_TD ERA]

Big move for the franchise. He's exactly what we need. But there's still a long way to go. I wouldn't put my money on it just yet. GET ME A MAGETTE JERSEY IF HE SIGNS.

[oligarchy]

Parker/HIll
Ginobili
Maggette/Bowen
Duncan
Ian/Thomas

That SHOULD be the starting 5.

Bowen would start at SG and Maggette would start at SF. Manu would still come off the bench.

[timvp]

I'd definitely keep the numbers of JR Smith and Josh Childress on speed dial. If Maggette falls through, those two seem like they should be the next in line. The next tier after that is probably Pietrus and Azubuike.

[TheMadHatter]

Do you guys really see Magette signing a long term deal for the MLE though? It's incredible because he's a legit 20/5 player in this league. Freaking Luke Walton makes the MLE.

I have a hard time believing no team will offer him no more than the MLE. Someone will bite.

[picnroll]

WOW!!!! Beyond hopes and dreams.

[Manufan909]

So when does FA signing end, again?

[oligarchy]

Do you guys really see Magette signing a long term deal for the MLE though? It's incredible because he's a legit 20/5 player in this league. Freaking Luke Walton makes the MLE.

I have a hard time believing no team will offer him no more than the MLE. Someone will bite.

No.. he'd probably sign a 2-year deal (maybe three) with player option(s). I believe he would look to find a good payday from a decent team next year or the year after; especially the year after.

[timvp]

Do you guys really see Magette signing a long term deal for the MLE though? It's incredible because he's a legit 20/5 player in this league. Freaking Luke Walton makes the MLE.

I have a hard time believing no team will offer him no more than the MLE. Someone will bite.Agreed. But we'll see. Maybe the Sixers and Warriors will go in different directions.


So when does FA signing end, again?It starts July 9th.

[Marcus Bryant]

I have a hard time believing no team will offer him no more than the MLE. Someone will bite.

Well, there are only 3 someones who can in the league. After that, it's the MLE.

[El Jefe]

The Spurs had to rely too much on garbage points last year. They didn't have enough skill points.

Looks like most of his shots last year came off of jumpers and isolation. Almost an even split between medium range jumpers and 3's. Very little of those jumpers were the end result of a double in the post (Makes sense, with Brand out the Clippers did not have much of a post presence)

What throws me is that very little of his production came from him posting up. I had an image in my head of him consistently posting up smaller wing players, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Hope he can adjust to playing in a defined offensive set as opposed to whatever the Clips run.

[Slinkyman]

Do you guys really see Magette signing a long term deal for the MLE though? It's incredible because he's a legit 20/5 player in this league. Freaking Luke Walton makes the MLE.

I have a hard time believing no team will offer him no more than the MLE. Someone will bite.

Maggette will make the money up with endorsement deals with Time Warner and Taco Cabana.

[angelbelow]

Uh, nobody signed nuthin', yet.

point taken, spoke too early.

[BOHOLANO#21]

dang, i'm hoping corey M will take a pay cut to play for the SPURS. at least we know now that RC is doing something to upgrade the team.

[angelbelow]

Agreed. But we'll see. Maybe the Sixers and Warriors will go in different directions.

It starts July 9th.

the good news is that sixers have 2 and 3 positions filled (AI and T Young) and weak at PF. the warriors are also pretty filled at the 2 and 3 (ellis sjax, and will probably resign one of their 3 FA wings.)

[Marcus Bryant]

the good news is that sixers have 2 and 3 positions filled (AI and T Young) and weak at PF. the warriors are also pretty filled at the 2 and 3 (ellis sjax, and will probably resign one of their 3 FA wings.)

Exactly.

[BOHOLANO#21]

Maggette will make the money up with endorsement deals with Time Warner and Taco Cabana.
he will be the lone endorser for HEB after he signs with the SPURS. he will eat the cake by himself, pull them carrots and eat it etc..

[K-State Spur]

I'd feel better if it was Ludden instead of Wojnarowski, that guy's an idiot.

[Slinkyman]

Imagine a world where Maggette and Beno make the same amount of money...

[completely deck]

Do you guys really see Bynum signing a long term deal for the demanded max contract though? It's incredible because he's an injured player in this league. Freaking Kobe Bryant makes the max contract payout.

I have a hard time believing a team will offer him no more than the MLE.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think most of us need to take a step back and realize this happening is still a long shot.

[jag]

Parker/HIll
Maggette/Ginobili
Bowen/Udoka
Duncan
Thomas/Ian

That SHOULD be the starting 5.

Fixed

[Marcus Bryant]

I think most of us need to take a step back and realize this happening is still a long shot.

Fuck that.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Fuck that.

:rollin

[2centsworth]

It's not necessarily a pay cut to take less money with the spurs. Money in San Antonio goes a whole lot further than it does in LA or Philly. For example, Bruce bought a monster house here that would have cost him 3 to 5 times as much somewhere else. $5 mil in SA is like $10 mil in LA. Plus, no state income tax.

[El_Mago]

Parker, Hill, Vaughn
Maggette, Ginobili, Hairston
Bowen, Udoka, Gist
Duncan, Horry, Bonner
Oberto,Thomas, Mahinmi

FUCK YEAH!

A good mixture of strength, athleticism, experience, and talent!

Let's do it!

[AA2120]

holy shit ballz!!

this would be fuckin awsome!

[El Jefe]

Fuck that.

Frankly I'm just happy there's NBA news to be had. I was getting stir crazy after the draft. I'll jump on the Sign Maggette bandwagon on that basis alone.

[Biggems]

Parker, Hill, Barry
Maggette, Ginobili, Hairston
Bowen, Udoka, Gist
Duncan, Horry, Bonner
Oberto,Thomas, Mahinmi

FUCK YEAH!

A good mixture of strength, athleticism, experience, and talent!

Let's do it!

There I fixed it for you

[z0sa]

It's not necessarily a pay cut to take less money with the spurs. Money in San Antonio goes a whole lot further than it does in LA or Philly. For example, Bruce bought a monster house here that would have cost him 3 to 5 times as much somewhere else. $5 mil in SA is like $10 mil in LA. Plus, no state income tax.


Exactly what I was thinking. A million less might actually go twice as far here.

[Manufan909]

I think most of us need to take a step back and realize this happening is still a long shot.

Dare to dream, son!!!

[angelbelow]

It's not necessarily a pay cut to take less money with the spurs. Money in San Antonio goes a whole lot further than it does in LA or Philly. For example, Bruce bought a monster house here that would have cost him 3 to 5 times as much somewhere else. $5 mil in SA is like $10 mil in LA. Plus, no state income tax.

wow, i didnt know, he has to come now!:toast

[Russ]

Maggette = Title.:flag:

[Marcus Bryant]

Once the sign and trade possibility vanished for Maggette, the Spurs became a legit suitor. Maggette will have all the minutes he could want in SA's swingman rotation. Bowen and Ginobili will max out around 55 to 60 minutes a night combined, and that's likely to be a bit lower during the early part of the season with Ginobili coming off his little trip to Beijing.

A 3 year deal for the MLE with a player option after the 2nd year would make sense. Maggette could then opt out in the glorious summer of 2010 with 15+ (or whatever) teams with large amounts of cap room chasing max free agents. Look at this summer, you have like 3 at most. It sucks to be a free agent this summer, especially if your team renounces you to sign someone else and blocks you from sign and trade possibilities.

[The Truth #6]

Just jumping ahead -if we somehow sign Maggette for the MLE, and with Barry opting out, and with us needing to sign KT, doesn't it seem like Barry might not be back?

I'd try a sign and trade with Barry for Matt Barnes if that was somehow possible and within budget, though being within budget and possible probably cancel each other out.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Hopefully we can still get Barry if we get Maggette. There's gonna be times when Hill isn't getting it done and then we're gonna be wishing for Barry back.

[Sway]

WOW! Now thats what I am talking about! Who would have ever thought Maggette was even an option?!?

[clubalien]

hellz Yes!

:lobt2:

[tlongII]

I hope this happens. I would actually give the Spurs' FO props if it does. It would actually keep the Spurs window of opportunity open a little longer. The West is going to be absolutely SICK next year!

[completely deck]

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Well that's the most I've seen in awhile

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I'm not setting myself up for a monstrous let down. I hope we can get him, but I doubt we will. The guy is worth more than the MLE and he knows and we know it. He'll "consider" the offer but it'll be nothing more than a facade - he knows he's got to superficially show some level appreciation, admiration, and consideration to a franchise that's deserving of all that. But, alas, in the end, it's small market San Antonio, and history shows that that weighs more in the minds of these guys.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I hope this happens. I would actually give the Spurs' FO props if it does. It would actually keep the Spurs window of opportunity open a little longer. The West is going to be absolutely SICK next year!

:tu
It is unfair how much the Western conference can beat the shit out of the Eastern conference.

[ShoogarBear]

Except in the Finals.

[Spur-Addict]

We still got that lovin feelin'!!!

[2centsworth]

Hopefully we can still get Barry if we get Maggette. There's gonna be times when Hill isn't getting it done and then we're gonna be wishing for Barry back.
vaughn and a healthy Manu would have to do.

[Mr. Body]

He can score all he wants. That's a selling point... in Philly, Orlando, and GSW he'd be looking for his spots, while in San Antonio they would love for him to score 20 a night. He may even be the second option many nights.

[z0sa]

Because Maggette has been a sort of wet dream around the spurs FO - and here - for a while now.

[El Jefe]

Just jumping ahead -if we somehow sign Maggette for the MLE, and with Barry opting out, and with us needing to sign KT, doesn't it seem like Barry might not be back?

I'd try a sign and trade with Barry for Matt Barnes if that was somehow possible and within budget, though being within budget and possible probably cancel each other out.

It'd help to know what Barry was looking for. If he opted out to find more minutes somewhere, Maggette almost assuredly would send him packing.

Here's hoping someone at Express News has Barry's phone number....

[cnyc3]

It's not necessarily a pay cut to take less money with the spurs. Money in San Antonio goes a whole lot further than it does in LA or Philly. For example, Bruce bought a monster house here that would have cost him 3 to 5 times as much somewhere else. $5 mil in SA is like $10 mil in LA. Plus, no state income tax.


that may very well be true, but bruce is a spur for life, and he'll probably live in SA after he retires. Maggette however will probably live in Orlando so real estate prices are irrelevant

[Ronaldo McDonald]

And if it does happen re-signing Barry would probably be easier.

[Spur-Addict]

Bring it back!!!!!!!

7827EMkm5ko

[Marcus Bryant]

Just jumping ahead -if we somehow sign Maggette for the MLE, and with Barry opting out, and with us needing to sign KT, doesn't it seem like Barry might not be back?

I'd try a sign and trade with Barry for Matt Barnes if that was somehow possible and within budget, though being within budget and possible probably cancel each other out.

I'm not sure it would change that much for Barry. Maggette, if he joined, would essentially be taking Finley's role. The Spurs would still have their LLE to re-sign Barry, which apparently is what Houston has offered him. The Spurs have Thomas' Bird Rights, so from a cap perspective there shouldn't be a problem.

[Supergirl]

yeah, this would be sweet. fingers crossed.

[ShoogarBear]

Losing Barry, Finley, and Horry would might mean big changes in what the Spurs do offensively to set up 3s. Maggette shot 38% from the 3-line last year, but that was somewhat of a anomaly, and Hill is still an unknown. A lot will depend on whether Udoka's shot becomes more reliable and whether Pop wants to at least start out giving Bonner significant minutes.

[2centsworth]

that may very well be true, but bruce is a spur for life, and he'll probably live in SA after he retires. Maggette however will probably live in Orlando so real estate prices are irrelevant

investors are gobbling up real estate in san antonio. One of the top markets. Nevertheless, you have a point too.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I'm not sure how all this cap shit works...If we sign Corey with the MLE, would we have enough cap room to re-sign Barry to contract he deserves? Would we have any cap room at all to make him an offer?

[oligarchy]

Once the sign and trade possibility vanished for Maggette, the Spurs became a legit suitor.
sign-and-trade didn't vanish. You can sign-and-trade a player who's rights have been renounced, but cannot when the player is signed using the Mid-Level, Bi-Annual or Disabled Player exceptions


I'd try a sign and trade with Barry for Matt Barnes if that was somehow possible and within budget, though being within budget and possible probably cancel each other out.
You can't sign-and-trade for a free agent.

[Manufan909]

Yeah, and how the Celtics have to do jack to get to the Finals. Hawks, Cavs, and Pistons!?! You've gotta be fucking with me. If we'd gotten to the Finals, it would've meant Suns, NO, Lakers, and argueably all of those teams are superior to the Pistons(maybe not the Suns). Fucking unbalanced bs. We should've thrown the Utah game, and then swept them in the 1st round. But they wanted to lose, so it would've been the NBA version of suicide chess.
:downspin:

[Biggems]

Since I am in such a good mood over the Maggette hype....here is what I would love

Sign Maggette (MLE), Pecherov (Beno exception)
Sign Hill, Hairston
Re-sign Barry, Thomas, Horry
Trade Vaughn
Trade Bonner + 2nd for Matt Barnes

PG - Parker, Barry, Hill
SG - Maggette, Manu, Hairston
SF - Bowen, Barnes, Udoka
PF - Duncan, Horry, Thomas
C - Oberto, Mahimni, Pecherov

If we have to, we can move Udoka since he is in his last year and there would be a log jam on the wing......we could use the open slot for Gist or another very young player....McGuire, Brumbaugh, Daniels....

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I'm not sure it would change that much for Barry. Maggette, if he joined, would essentially be taking Finley's role. The Spurs would still have their LLE to re-sign Barry, which apparently is what Houston has offered him. The Spurs have Thomas' Bird Rights, so from a cap perspective there shouldn't be a problem.

Okay you answered my question n/m.

[tav1]

Fuck me! I was out all night and I came home to this. With Maggette the Spurs are every bit a championship squad. Man, I'm happy.

[Marcus Bryant]

sign-and-trade didn't vanish. You can sign-and-trade a player who's rights have been renounced, but cannot when the player is signed using the Mid-Level, Bi-Annual or Disabled Player exceptions


Can the Clippers sign and trade him after signing Davis and Brand to large contracts? Thanks.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm not setting myself up for a monstrous let down. I hope we can get him, but I doubt we will. The guy is worth more than the MLE and he knows and we know it. He'll "consider" the offer but it'll be nothing more than a facade - he knows he's got to superficially show some level appreciation, admiration, and consideration to a franchise that's deserving of all that. But, alas, in the end, it's small market San Antonio, and history shows that that weighs more in the minds of these guys.

Uh....yeah. Everyone knows he's worth more than the MLE, the problem is there are very few teams who can give it to them, and none of them may want him.

[oligarchy]

I'm not sure how all this cap shit works...If we sign Corey with the MLE, would we have enough cap room to re-sign Barry to contract he deserves? Would we have any cap room at all to make him an offer?

We can use what is called the Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent Exception (or non-bird exception) on Barry; which is up to 120% of his salary from last year (which was the minimum salary)

[Marcus Bryant]

Or you use the LLE, which is what Houston is offering him.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

that may very well be true, but bruce is a spur for life, and he'll probably live in SA after he retires. Maggette however will probably live in Orlando so real estate prices are irrelevant

The example of Bowen's crib was just that - an example. Cost of living is lower in SA than in Orlando or LA, so while here he'd be able to put away more for retirement.

[tav1]

If the Spurs put Maggette in the fold, then I'd rather they use the LLE on another big. Where do things stand with Kurt Thomas?

[Marcus Bryant]

If the Spurs put Maggette in the fold, then I'd rather they use the LLE on another big. Where do things stand with Kurt Thomas?

Spurs are probably letting him find his market price.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Or you use the LLE, which is what Houston is offering him.

Hopefully. I think we're still gonna need Barry.

[oligarchy]

Can the Clippers sign and trade him after signing Davis and Brand to large contracts? Thanks.

Did they sign both already? Thanks. They COULD sign-and-trade.

[CaptainLate]

Though the Sixers and GS (and Memphis) could offer more money, are we reducing the field of competition? I mean, there are other teams like us that only have the MLE to offer, so in that sense, other teams can try to sell him on their city and team for pretty much the same money, right?

For some reason, I imagine that Houston or Dallas and possibly Phoenix will find a way to butt their noses into this deal to try and jinx us, even if it is only talking through the media.

But no teams can sell the idea of title contenders year in and year out for the length of his contract. AND, the fact that in 2010 we'll be retooling around the Big 4 (Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Maggette).

As for the Sixers and Josh Smith, here is what Mike Malone said about the Hawks and Josh Childress, Hawks, SG-SF: [ Outstanding sixth man, with great intangibles who had terrific playoff series against Celtics. Hawks are vulnerable to any team willing to give full mid-level to him. ]

Can we assume if the Sixers gave Smith the full MLE that the Hawks c/wouldn't match and that takes the Sixers out of the Maggette sweepstakes?

[tlongII]

Please let the Spurs sign Maggette! We need the competition. :)

[Marcus Bryant]

Did they sign both already? Thanks. They COULD sign-and-trade.

ROFL. The only reason Maggette would be available to the Spurs is if they do.

[Sway]

So lets say we do get Maggette for the MLE, can we use the LLE and the trade exemptions together to get, let's say Barnes?

I dont think the Spurs could ask for a better Summer than getting Maggette, but damn, if they could also somehow get Barnes, that would be sick.

[tav1]

We can use what is called the Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent Exception (or non-bird exception) on Barry; which is up to 120% of his salary from last year (which was the minimum salary)

Shit, bring him back with that and use the LLE elsewhere.

Quick roster head count

Parker/Hill/Vaughn
Maggette/Ginobli/Hairston
Bowen/Udoka/
Duncan/Mahinmi/Bonner
Thomas/Oberto

That's 13, as you can see. Barry plus an LLE or Beno Trade Exception Player are still possible.

[picnroll]

Spurs could go after Najera with the LLE

[DaDakota]

The Rockets may try to do a SnT for Battier to snag Maggette with more than the MLE....

DD

[oligarchy]

ROFL. The only reason Maggette would be available to the Spurs is if they do.

I'm just saying that everyone has the forgone conclusion that Brand is definitely coming back. The only word is that Davis has verbally agreed.

[spurman20]

That would be swwweeeeettt but rumors have it we are after Diop and have offered full MLE to him so this may just be rumor......then again it could be why Barry just opted out!!

[Marcus Bryant]

The Rockets may try to do a SnT for Battier to snag Maggette with more than the MLE....

DD

Clips will have to renounce Maggette to be able to sign Davis and Brand, so no dice.

[angelbelow]

if we get maggette, one of finley or barry will most likely be back. i choose barry.

[T Park]

The Rockets may try to do a SnT for Battier to snag Maggette with more than the MLE....

DD


Link?

[TheMadHatter]

Assuming no teams with capspace want to sign Maggette then the pool of teams that would want to sign him for the MLE is going to be enormous. The Clippers just renounced his rights today, expect to see a LOT more suitors jump into the fray.

Pretty much every single contender could use a player like Maggette for the MLE. He is without question the best FA on the market right now at that price.

[T Park]

if we get maggette, one of finley or barry will most likely be back. i choose barry.


They would probobly bring back Finley.

[bigdog]

I'm just saying that everyone has the forgone conclusion that Brand is definitely coming back. The only word is that Davis has verbally agreed.

After Davis agreed, I'm pretty sure Brand is going back to LA.

I read a comment from Brand and he said somthing like "if I get resigned and we sign Baron, call it an offseason"

that really makes it seem like he's going to stay in LA now, being that Baron is headed there. I don't think the Clippers will even let Brand last another day or two in FA, they should agree to something before some other team offers him something.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Link?

He's making it up. He is proposing this thread at clutch city right now...

[Spur-Addict]

Since I am in such a good mood over the Maggette hype....here is what I would love

Sign Maggette (MLE), Pecherov (Beno exception)
Sign Hill, Hairston
Re-sign Barry, Thomas, Horry
Trade Vaughn
Trade Bonner + 2nd for Matt Barnes

PG - Parker, Barry, Hill
SG - Maggette, Manu, Hairston
SF - Bowen, Barnes, Udoka
PF - Duncan, Horry, Thomas
C - Oberto, Mahimni, Pecherov

If we have to, we can move Udoka since he is in his last year and there would be a log jam on the wing......we could use the open slot for Gist or another very young player....McGuire, Brumbaugh, Daniels....

I don't understand this fixation with Pecherov, he's garbage.

[spurman20]

I'm not sure how all this cap shit works...If we sign Corey with the MLE, would we have enough cap room to re-sign Barry to contract he deserves? Would we have any cap room at all to make him an offer?

If we give Maggette the MLE we could only give Barry the LLE for 1.8m

[Marcus Bryant]

He's making it up. He is proposing this thread at clutch city right now...

Yeah, he's wrong twice on the internets.

[Solid D]

Strong scorer who knows how to get to the line.

Wishful thinking, but it would be a long-shot T7OLaNA16cA

[George Gervin's Afro]

Assuming no teams with capspace want to sign Maggette then the pool of teams that would want to sign him for the MLE is going to be enormous. The Clippers just renounced his rights today, expect to see a LOT more suitors jump into the fray.

Pretty much every single contender could use a player like Maggette for the MLE. He is without question the best FA on the market right now at that price.

Odds of getting him are getting worse by the minute...

[Juanobili]

Can Houston fuck off?

[angelbelow]

I don't understand this fixation with Pecherov, he's garbage.

lol true, he couldnt get playing time on a fair washington front line.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That would be swwweeeeettt but rumors have it we are after Diop and have offered full MLE to him so this may just be rumor......then again it could be why Barry just opted out!!

Maggette rumor is coming from a legit news source. Ignore the idiots on RealGM going on about Diop.

[CaptainLate]

as far as his health...........he will play less minutes per game for the Spurs than he did for the Clippers. this will help him stay healthy throughout the season.

Not only for one season, but for the rest of his career. So at age 29 now, he can sign another multi-year contract after this one to make up for any income he thinks he may lose now with a MLE signing.

[bigdog]

if we get maggette, one of finley or barry will most likely be back. i choose barry.

Barry is a risk because of injuries. Finley seems more durable (since being Spurs), and either way I think they would resign Finley. He'd be cheaper to sign than Barry at this point.