Slovenian National Team (part V.)

[Kamnik]

Did I play? If yes, how did I do?

I don't know about others. But i don't find you or the other 99% of trolls on this site funny.

[velik_m]

CROATIA - SLOVENIA
72:77 (21:15, 21:21, 12:25, 18:16)

Lončar 14 E. Lorbek 18
Tomas 12 Brezec 13
Kasun 10 Nachbar 12
Kus 9 Lakovič 10
Banić 8 Jagodnik 9
Planinić 6 D. Lorbek 8
Rožić 5 Golemac 4
Nicević 4 S. Udrih 3
Tomić 2
Ukić 2


FT: 19/23; 22/28
2PT: 16/38; 20/30
3PT: 7/17; 5/19
Rebounds: 20; 32 :)

It looks like Brezec is showing some signs of life.

Slovenia played in front of a much more hostile croud this time (in Poreč the split was 50/50 as far as fans go, here there was only about 30 slovenians out of 1500). Apperantly president of croatian basketball federation insulted Golemac (Golemac is a croatian born player) and they had a "verbal conflict". There was also an on court altercation (Boki got hit)

[sendman]

Slovenia played in front of a much more hostile croud this time (in Poreč the split was 50/50 as far as fans go, here there was only about 30 slovenians out of 1500). Apperantly president of croatian basketball federation insulted Golemac (Golemac is a croatian born player) and they had a "verbal conflict". There was also an on court altercation (Boki got hit)

As I said it before, Croats are pathetic. At the moment they just don't have enough talent, so they are trying to achieve something with so called "tough play". In other words they play dirty. In the last few years they pumped up their nation with stories about their "greatness". Time has come for them to deliver. And they are not delivering at the moment. But enough about them.

Good news:
More signs of life from Brezec
D. Lorbek finally showed up
Rebounding looks good

Bad news:
After winning two back to back games against the arch-rivals there is no bad news:lol

Head scratchers for Zdovc:
Every game one of his "sure things" to get cut comes out with a solid performance. D. Lorbek did it yesterday.
What about team chemistry? What will happen when missing guys return and some of the guys that are busting their asses of will get cut?
Does returning of injured players mean step back because Zdovc have to incorporate them in the offensive schemes?
Zdovc will have to make his decisions soon. I think Spanish tournament will determine last 12.

[ata]

:danceclub

There are wins and there are WINS.

It's good to be Slovenian right now!:lol

There is no WIN until September 17th!

[Kamnik]

What a bunch of shit these Croatian organizers...

-no tv transmision on sunday
-no scoreboxes anywhere
-players without names on their jerseys
-their president of basketball association screaming at our players during the game

fucking pathetic

[sendman]

There is no WIN until September 17th!
Oh, yes there is!

You don't have to believe me, read this:
http://www.kosarka.hr/main.asp?dir=news&newsid=28771

Now tell me that this isn't a WIN. Tell me that this WIN means the same as would if our guys played and won a game against, i don't know, Norway.

If you want a WIN on September 17th, you should be able to win in hostile territory on August 16th.:ihit This two wins are big step in the right direction.
Slovenians showed us that they CAN.

There is no place for choking with this team any more!:nope:nope:nope

[ata]

I hope from all my heart, that your last sentence is correct.

However, our NT has served so many dissapointments, that I will wait until mentioned date ;)

[Texas_Ranger]

Vujacic is going with our team in Spain for the tournament this week. It looks like he's not injured anymore. lets hope he and Beno play, so we will all se how strong this team really is.

[10-tka]

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=sl&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtvslo.si%2Fsport%2Fkosarka%2Fe p-v-kosarki-2009%2Ffoto-nad-tekmece-v-sevilli-pametno-in-nekoliko-skrivnostno%2F210154&sl=sl&tl=en&history_state0=

Udrih brothers have the same type of man purs... funny

(last pic)

[Kamnik]

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=sl&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtvslo.si%2Fsport%2Fkosarka%2Fe p-v-kosarki-2009%2Ffoto-nad-tekmece-v-sevilli-pametno-in-nekoliko-skrivnostno%2F210154&sl=sl&tl=en&history_state0=

Udrih brothers have the same type of man purs... funny

(last pic)

:lol

These man purses sure look funn because we are not used to them. But they must be realy practical.

Sucks to have your pockets full with vallet, phone, a couple of keys, gum, etc... Maybe looks even worse than a man's purse at times :P

[Texas_Ranger]

:lol

These man purses sure look funn because we are not used to them. But they must be realy practical.

Sucks to have your pockets full with vallet, phone, a couple of keys, gum, etc... Maybe looks even worse than a man's purse at times :P

I've got one that looks like Beno's. But that one that Samo's got looks like a old lady's purse.

[ploto]

What about Beno and Sasha in the capri sweat pants!
http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2009/08/18/64613824_sasa-vujacic-beno-udrih-samo-udrih.jpg

[velik_m]

Games in spain will be live over internet on www.rtvslo.si/, but only for slovenian ip's.

Rtvslo will also have game footages later in the evening on regular program (they seem to give priority to the athletic world championship).

Slovenia plays Lithuania tommorow 18:15 CET, Spain on thursday 20:30 CET and GB on friday 18:15 CET.

[angel_luv]

Guess who is getting married today!



:)

[Texas_Ranger]

Games in spain will be live over internet on www.rtvslo.si/, but only for slovenian ip's.

Rtvslo will also have game footages later in the evening on regular program (they seem to give priority to the athletic world championship).

Slovenia plays Lithuania tommorow 18:15 CET, Spain on thursday 20:30 CET and GB on friday 18:15 CET.

Than god for the live game on internet.
I'm really angry at RTV cause they have athletics live and not basketball. I know that it's the world championship, but we really don't have any more medal candidates.

[Slo spurs fan]

guess who is getting married today!



:)

v?

[velik_m]

v?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133506

[Pero]

Games in spain will be live over internet on www.rtvslo.si/, but only for slovenian ip's.

Rtvslo will also have game footages later in the evening on regular program (they seem to give priority to the athletic world championship).

Slovenia plays Lithuania tommorow 18:15 CET, Spain on thursday 20:30 CET and GB on friday 18:15 CET.

Isn't Spain vs. Slovenia live on TV SLO 2 on Thursday?

[Texas_Ranger]

Isn't Spain vs. Slovenia live on TV SLO 2 on Thursday?

I gues not. Maribor is playing.

[sendman]

Angelca I wish you all the best in your new life.:toast:married:



Once again it's time for this smilies:
:danceclub

[Kobayagi]

Congrats angel_luv :toast :married:

[Slo spurs fan]

Thanks velik m. Congrats V. come to Slovenia for your honeymoon. :)

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What about Beno and Sasha in the capri sweat pants!
http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2009/08/18/64613824_sasa-vujacic-beno-udrih-samo-udrih.jpg


If Dragic is wearing those, I don't want to know about it.

[Kobayagi]

Vujacic just entered the game for the first time and bricked a 3-pointer the first time he got the ball....I'm laughing my socks off :lmao

Sasha in Boston green :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I'm still trying to figure out why Sasha is in the NBA.

[velik_m]

Lithuania leads 43-35 at half.

defense :td
rebounding :td
sasha :td

beno still MIA

[Kobayagi]

We never beat Lithuania, why should today be any different?

[Slo spurs fan]

Great steal by Goran. He has 8 pts.

[Slo spurs fan]

Goran with 12 points and 3 steals.

[velik_m]

Lithuania wins 81:75. A bit better in the second half, but no focus on the offensive end. We didn't control the boards.

Overall Lithuania was a much better team.

[velik_m]

LITHUANIA - SLOVENIA

81:75 (22:17, 21:18, 24:23, 14:17)

Petravičius 16 Lakovič 14
Lukauskis 12 Dragič 14
K. Lavrinovič 11 Golemac 11
Kalneitis 9 Nachbar 10
Javtokas 8 E. Lorbek 10
Delinikaitis 6 Brezec 7
Mačiulis 5 Jagodnik 7
D. Lavrinovič 4 S. Udrih 2
Kleiza 4 Vujačič
Mazutis 3 Slokar
Jomantas 3 Klobučar
Jasaitis

[Texas_Ranger]

Fuck this shit. Jure Zdovc is one stupid bitch. His fucking coaching sucks. Why the fuck doesn't he play our best guys. It's pathetic to see S.Udrih play 25 minutes. It just sucks!!

And why is Beno still not playing. Is his pussy once again in pain?

[Kamnik]

Fuck this shit. Jure Zdovc is one stupid bitch. His fucking coaching sucks. Why the fuck doesn't he play our best guys. It's pathetic to see S.Udrih play 25 minutes. It just sucks!!

And why is Beno still not playing. Is his pussy once again in pain?

Well to be honest... some people still need to be cut so he is:

a ) figuring out who to cut

b ) saving some of our best players so they don't get injured or exausted.


So for now.... I can understand those weird rotations. But if this will continue after Sevilla we should be seriously worried.

For the time being it is pretty obvious who our best guys are. Lets just pray Beno&Sasha can show something.

As for Vujacic... Has anyone seriously expected he will be a 50% shooter overnight?

If he sucks in LA he will also suck in Europe.

[Kobayagi]

Fuck this shit. Jure Zdovc is one stupid bitch. His fucking coaching sucks. Why the fuck doesn't he play our best guys. It's pathetic to see S.Udrih play 25 minutes. It just sucks!!

And why is Beno still not playing. Is his pussy once again in pain?


He should lay all his cards on the table for a meaningless game, you're absolutely right.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Vujacic is such a queer.

[Kobayagi]

Vujacic is such a queer.


you should know.

[sendman]

Vujacic is such a queer.

But difference between you and him is that unlike you, he can get some.:lmao

So behave and stop humping your goat.:nope

[Pero]

Lithuania wins 81:75. A bit better in the second half, but no focus on the offensive end. We didn't control the boards.

Overall Lithuania was a much better team.

To paraphrase Beno, "we don't need to practice offense, it always goes well for us". :lol

[ata]

...
As for Vujacic... Has anyone seriously expected he will be a 50% shooter overnight?

If he sucks in LA he will also suck in Europe.
There was a lot of bricks from open positions thrown yesterday, Vujačič throw one.
If a player is open - there is no other option as shooting, brick or not. Player who doesn't shoot from open positions is not defended anymore, double-teaming is possible.

[sendman]

I know that TV "adds" you a few pounds, but what the hell is wrong with Nachbar? I couldn't put a finger on it for some time but yesterday it hit me. He looks fat and slow. He is completely out of shape. That also may be the reason that his shot isn't falling. His center of gravity is shifted.
All of the sudden our SF spot looks shaky. Nachbar was a "lock" for bulk of minutes at SF, but at the moment, with this kind of shape, he simpy can't handle it.
With Golemac and his inconsistency and Jagodnik and his slow feet I'm depresed. D. Lorbek doesn't help either. Damn you Preldzic.:bang

[Kobayagi]

what the hell is wrong with Nachbar?


In my opinion, Nachbar has been the biggest disappointment so far.

[ata]

You've just expected too much from him. Yes, he can drive under the basket, he can shoot 10/10 - but he never was consistent. He can do 10/10 in one game and 0/10 in next - same story is with Vujačič.

Best man so far is Dragič - consistent, fearless

Still - real matches begin in Poland

[Kobayagi]

You've just expected too much from him.

Of course, I am aware of that.

Best man so far, in my opinion, has been E. Lorbek.

Biggest surprise in a positive way has been Jagodnik, because I didn't expect anything from him.

[sendman]

Players evaluation so far:

Lakovic:
Lakovic as we all know him. Very inconsistent, turnover prone, shot is off most of the time. All in all, he showed one good game (Croatia Porec), One solid game (Croatia Pazin), everything else was bad.
Grade: C

Dragic:
I like him, I like him a lot. Fast, fearless, with great effort on defense. Things change when he enters the game (sometimes things go worst because of his poor judgment). His outside shot is still a suspect.
Grade: B

S. Udrih:
One excellent game, one so-so, everything else was nothing to write home about. Increased minutes didn't do miracles for him. Still borderline member of the team.
Grade: C-

Klobucar:
He looks like a junior and he plays like one. Fast, aggressive and full of mistakes.
Grade: C-

Vujacic:
We were able to see 8 minutes of his hairiness so far. That 8 minutes were dreadful. He will have to improve with speed of light to make himself useful.
Grade: Inc.

B. Udrih:
OK, in the past I defended him like crazy. In that one game he played, he reminded us that he has tons of talent, but does he have a heart? Does he even like basketball? I'm not sure anymore.
Grade: I don't care at the moment

D. Lorbek:
To bad he only shares a last name with Erazem. His talent went in opposite direction.
Grade: D

Nachbar:
Read my previous post, he looks like a doughnut and he plays like a doughnut.
Grade: O :hungry:

Golemac:
Unselfish, quick, agressive, with good court vision. Tends to complicate things. He needs to calm down, he is experienced enough to do that. Zdovc should help him. His best move so far was attempt to deck President of Croatian basketball Radic. That MoFo should get punched in the mouth.
Grade: C+

Jagodnik:
Do the surgery and cut out a little piece of this guys heart and put it in Benos chest. Jagoda is pure warrior. I respect this man.
Grade: B

Zupan:
Grade: A for showing up

Slokar:
I don't know why Zdovc doesn't use him more. He is usually very effective in his limited time. He is a bit of liability on defensive end, but he is smooth on offense.
Grade: B-

Vidmar:
Keep walking, nothing to see here at the moment. His time in Turkey was a disaster. He completely lost self confidence. I feel sorry for Lurch.
Grade: F**king F-

Smodis:
In theory he is great, in reality he is non existent.
Grade: What do you expect from me?

Brezec:
At first :lmao
Now, he can be useful in limited minutes. We all know his weaknesses so I won't go there. If he'll get himself in good enough physical shape he can be nice offensive weapon.
Grade: C

E. Lorbek:
Our best player so far, It's just pity that he is such a poor athlete. With his skills and better athleticism he would wreck havoc. What is with that free throw shooting?
Grade: A-

I have to say that our team doesn't look too good conditioning wise. When whistle is blown they all are grasping for air. That Nikolic dude, that worked with them on Rogla, could do better in my opinion.

[Kamnik]

As I see it...

It will be vital that Dragic and Erazem Lorbek are healthy and preapared enough to be able to play 30+ minutes in Polan or we are fucked. They can both make things happen. Erazem is better offensively and Dragic is better defensively. If Smodis will be healthy and ready we can include him into this role. Basically we NEED Smodis.

All the others are basically role players around them imo. Somehow Zdovc doesn't seem to trust Slokar too much for some reason; he is one of our best players imo.

We have a bunch of china dolls and role players who are able to choke. BUT we also have a couple of fearless and solid players who should carry us.

As I said before... person I fear most is ZDOVC.

[Kobayagi]

Players evaluation so far:

B. Udrih:
OK, in the past I defended him like crazy. In that one game he played, he reminded us that he has tons of talent, but does he have a heart? Does he even like basketball? I'm not sure anymore.



I wouldn't count him out just yet. Beno is just doing what he's always been doing. Even on the Spurs. Skipping training camps and prep games :lol

He's lazy...but when the time comes to play, I think he'll bring it. :toast


You're one of rare people that actually sees everything Golemac is doing. Slovenian message boards are full of hatred for this guy, I think he's our best hustler so far and his passing is excellent for a big guy.

[sendman]

You're one of rare people that actually sees everything Golemac is doing. Slovenian message boards are full of hatred for this guy, I think he's our best hustler so far and his passing is excellent for a big guy.

Thank you very much...I guess.
Well, I did my share of basketball, so It would be pitiful for me not to notice that kind of things.
As for the others, average fan goes bananas about obvious things (dunking, 3-point shooting, shot-blocking), Jurica on the other hand does little things that are good for the team, but don't show up in stats. (this is good about Jurica)
Also he has a bad habit that makes him do some "over-thinking" sometimes, that costs him tenths or maybe just hundreds of a second and that is often enough to find himself in trouble. If he gets to eager, he has tendency to make mistakes in series. Thats why some fans hate him. It's Zdovcs job to notice when Golemac is in destructive mood and take him out to prevent stupidity. (and this is bad about Jurica)

[Kamnik]

I don't think there is any question about Golemac getting quality minutes. With Smodis hurt and Nachbar not showing anything special he has loads of 3/4 minutes for grabs.

He wants to play and be succesful and it shows-things like happened in Poreč and Pazin just add to that.

[Texas_Ranger]

I know that TV "adds" you a few pounds, but what the hell is wrong with Nachbar? I couldn't put a finger on it for some time but yesterday it hit me. He looks fat and slow. He is completely out of shape. That also may be the reason that his shot isn't falling. His center of gravity is shifted.
All of the sudden our SF spot looks shaky. Nachbar was a "lock" for bulk of minutes at SF, but at the moment, with this kind of shape, he simpy can't handle it.
With Golemac and his inconsistency and Jagodnik and his slow feet I'm depresed. D. Lorbek doesn't help either. Damn you Preldzic.:bang

Yea he is fat!! I saw him last year in Koper withouth his T-Shirt, and I was just shocked how can that guy play in the NBA!

[Kamnik]

Looking good for now. Beno with some nice moves.

Lorbek offensively dominant as always.

Vujacic getting some minutes.. didn't show anything yet tough; hopefully he can play a lot to give an impression what he is able to do when he settles down. Being rusty is pretty normal at this point.

[velik_m]

We got too many points. But overall not so bad.

[Kamnik]

Vujacic with a 3 and a nice pass... time to be optimistic already? :P

[Kamnik]

Good play overall from our guys... rebounding is our by far biggest problem.

[Kobayagi]

Zdovc is ejected :lmao


props, big props to Zdovc, finally showing some emotion. :toast

[Kamnik]

props, big props to Zdovc, finally showing some emotion. :toast

+100000

I love it! :toast

[velik_m]

Spain leads 49-45 at half.

[velik_m]

+100000

I love it! :toast

Not loving the technical (2fts+attack) though. Refs have a prety wierd criteria though. Hopefully our team responds well.

[Texas_Ranger]

Refs suck.

[ata]

So far, E. Lorbek is dominating under the rim, Dragič good as always, Beno very good, Vujačič with some good moves (and one stupid), Slokar also OK.

Rest is average and some are uderachieving tonight (Golemac, Nachbar...)

Major props to Zdovc.

[Kamnik]

Rest is average and some are uderachieving tonight (Golemac, Nachbar...)


Golemac wasn't bad imo...

[Kamnik]

Someone should tell Vujacic he is just a role player.

Shoot and play good defense; that's all he should do. NOTHING else.

[Kobayagi]

If Nachbar continues with this shit, I' going to wish he's the one getting cut.

[ata]

Vujačič is trying too hard right now. He shuold relax.

[Kamnik]

FFS Lakovic sucks!

[ata]

Nachbar sucks even more. I don't know why Jagodnik is sitting?

[velik_m]

Someone should tell Vujacic he is just a role player.

Shoot and play good defense; that's all he should do. NOTHING else.

I'm not even sure about the shooting part...

[velik_m]

Nachbar sucks even more. I don't know why Jagodnik is sitting?

CIA Zdovc. Plus right now it looks like Vujacic needs as much playing time as possible.

[Kamnik]

I will say this and I will be dead serious:

Cut Lakovič!

He is getting exposed on defense on regular basis (too small and too weak) and he is missing shots and creating turnover on offense.

Udrih and Vujacic at least have some excuse for their mistakes. Lakovič doeesn't bring anything to this team. Nothing personal against him, he is just bad at this point in his career.

[Slo spurs fan]

We don´t need to throw all our cards in. It is OK. We can play with Spaniards.

[Kamnik]

Well Lakvoič is at least consistent in the sucking area... As is Nachbar...

[Slo spurs fan]

Wow Beno with some great defense.

[Kamnik]

Wow Beno with some great defense.

You don't hear that every day on this forum :lol

[Kobayagi]

Well at least nachbar is getting to the line now.

[Slo spurs fan]

What a fucking homer refs. Fuck this game. Prokleti cigani. Ni večjih ciganov od špancev.

[Kamnik]

Prokleti cigani. Ni večjih ciganov od špancev.

Sej na njihovo škodo. Naši bodo še bolj motivirani, da jih na Poljskem povozijo. Pa tudi naši se niso (trenerji) niti trudili zmagati in so minute igralcem čisto nelogično porazdelili.

[Kobayagi]

CIA Zdovc if u ask me.

[velik_m]

I think it's safe to say Spain will have no problem winning the gold at the championship - provided the refs on all their games are spanish.

[Kobayagi]

SO I guess it's pretty safe to say that Vidmar an Klobucar are getting cut. Who is the third one getting cut? D. Lorbek or S. Udrih?

I just hope it's not Smodis. :(

[ata]

CIA Zdovc. Plus right now it looks like Vujacic needs as much playing time as possible.

Well, Jagodnik will miss dinner tonight. He ate bannanas.

[Kobayagi]

Edit...double post.

[ata]

SO I guess it's pretty safe to say that Vidmar an Klobucar are getting cut. Who is the third one getting cut? D. Lorbek or S. Udrih?

I just hope it's not Smodis. :(
Doesn't look good. http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/ep-v-kosarki-2009/prvak-v-ligi-nba-ima-pravico-da-je-naduvan/210235

[Kobayagi]

Yeah, I know, that's why I said it :(

[Kamnik]

They wont cut Smodis even if there is a 10% chance that he plays.

[Kobayagi]

I have a feeling he's going to cut himself.

[Slo spurs fan]

Spain 42 free throws, Slovenia 21. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Kobayagi]

Yeah, we suck defense-wise....too slow, that's why we foul a lot.

[Slo spurs fan]

Yeah, we suck defense-wise....too slow, that's why we foul a lot.

50% of fouls was at least bougs.

[Slo spurs fan]

Very good answers from Zdovc here (in SLO, mp3 format): www.kzs.si

[Kamnik]

50% of fouls was at least bougs.

To be honest... Our guys did foul more than Spanyards.

Maybe officiating was a bit toward them, but it wasn't so horrible.

I think we can beat them at Euro if the right players play the right amount of minutes. (and play to their abbilities)


Our weakest point are 2/3 positions... and they are probably the strongest there.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I know that TV "adds" you a few pounds, but what the hell is wrong with Nachbar? I couldn't put a finger on it for some time but yesterday it hit me. He looks fat and slow. He is completely out of shape. That also may be the reason that his shot isn't falling. His center of gravity is shifted.
All of the sudden our SF spot looks shaky. Nachbar was a "lock" for bulk of minutes at SF, but at the moment, with this kind of shape, he simpy can't handle it.
With Golemac and his inconsistency and Jagodnik and his slow feet I'm depresed. D. Lorbek doesn't help either. Damn you Preldzic.:bang

Nachbar is not a SF. He is a PF. He has not played SF for like 3 years.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

As I see it...

It will be vital that Dragic and Erazem Lorbek are healthy and preapared enough to be able to play 30+ minutes in Polan or we are fucked. They can both make things happen. Erazem is better offensively and Dragic is better defensively. If Smodis will be healthy and ready we can include him into this role. Basically we NEED Smodis.

All the others are basically role players around them imo. Somehow Zdovc doesn't seem to trust Slokar too much for some reason; he is one of our best players imo.

We have a bunch of china dolls and role players who are able to choke. BUT we also have a couple of fearless and solid players who should carry us.

As I said before... person I fear most is ZDOVC.

Lorbek as your best player is fine but Dragic? No chance then for a medal.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I wouldn't count him out just yet. Beno is just doing what he's always been doing. Even on the Spurs. Skipping training camps and prep games :lol

He's lazy...but when the time comes to play, I think he'll bring it. :toast


You're one of rare people that actually sees everything Golemac is doing. Slovenian message boards are full of hatred for this guy, I think he's our best hustler so far and his passing is excellent for a big guy.

I already said Golemac is underrated player. But problem with him is he is a choker.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Someone should tell Vujacic he is just a role player.

Shoot and play good defense; that's all he should do. NOTHING else.

Vujacic sucks. Does Slovenia also believe the lie thqt terrible NBA players are "dominate in Europe" :rolleyes

[velik_m]

To be honest... Our guys did foul more than Spanyards.

Maybe officiating was a bit toward them, but it wasn't so horrible.

I think we can beat them at Euro if the right players play the right amount of minutes. (and play to their abbilities)


Our weakest point are 2/3 positions... and they are probably the strongest there.

What worries me is that Pau didn't play, Navarro had a poor game, as has Rubio. Fernandez couldn't hit anything until the final quarter. If anything the spaniards have much bigger reserves. :bang

Also: Angel gets married and our team starts losing - coincedence? I think NOT! :p:

[Texas_Ranger]

This team sucks. I know we lost to Spain but who cares. We will 100% not win a medal with the kind of game we're playing. Zdovc needs to be fired. It's time to bring a not slovenian coach. Or Sagadin.

[Slo spurs fan]

Nachbar is not a SF. He is a PF. He has not played SF for like 3 years.

He always played SF for NT.

[Slo spurs fan]

This team sucks. I know we lost to Spain but who cares. We will 100% not win a medal with the kind of game we're playing. Zdovc needs to be fired. It's time to bring a not slovenian coach. Or Sagadin.

I can´t belive you are this blinded. Or too young to remember some things from the past. Oh and this was a preperation (training) game.

[Slo spurs fan]

Lorbek as your best player is fine but Dragic? No chance then for a medal.

You dont´t know shit. He (Goran) is much better from game to game. You will see soon.

[sendman]

Look dudes, I will say this once again. Scores don't mean shit at this moment (except Croatia - this will aways be more than just a game)
Zdovc is old school, if you remember former Yugoslavian teams they were almost always loosing in preparation games against Italians (they were good then) and some other teams, but when real games begun they were whooping asses all over the place.
Look at the Spanish roster, Rubio, Navarro, Fernandez and Pau everything else is just a working force with nothing special in them. Slovenian team can beat them. It's just a matter of mind. They really have to believe that they can do it.
If you listened Zdovcs interview after the game...he said it all.

[Kamnik]

I am just pretending to be Greek

Get your troll ass out of here :toast

[10-tka]

We won't be champions. Im sure of that now.
We'll win against UK and lost against Serbia and Spain and then Turkey will kick our asses home.

[Slo spurs fan]

We won't be champions. Im sure of that now.
We'll win against UK and lost against Serbia and Spain and then Turkey will kick our asses home.

:nope

[Texas_Ranger]

We won't be champions. Im sure of that now.
We'll win against UK and lost against Serbia and Spain and then Turkey will kick our asses home.

Or we will win all 3 teams in the first round, and then lose to Israel. :hat

[sendman]

Or we will win all 3 teams in the first round, and then lose to Israel. :hat
Or we will lose all 3 against Izrael and then win against France.
Or we will win or lose against GB,
then we will come out fighting against Serbia and finish this match with win or loss.
To make things more exciting we will then win or lose against Spain.
That will make everybody wondering what would happen if we win or lose against next Mofos that will cross our path?
Will we win or will we lose?
At the end we will win or lose against somebody, and happy or pissed of fans will locate KBP and kick his sorry ass. :wow

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He always played SF for NT.

Well I meant in Nets and in Dynamo he was playing PF.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You dont´t know shit. He (Goran) is much better from game to game. You will see soon.

Dragic will not lead a team to a gold medal at Eurobasket. Surely you realize that.

[Slo spurs fan]

Dragic will not lead a team to a gold medal at Eurobasket. Surely you realize that.

I think he is capable of that, but it will depend on others, how they will play. Even Tony Parker can´t led Franch NT to gold alone.

And I am not comparing Goran to Tony. Yet.

[velik_m]

Slovenia leads 27:22 at half. We're not as bad as the result looks (we missed a lot of open shots), but we're not good either.

WTF is Erazem playing so much?

[velik_m]

GB leads 44-43 after 3/4.

[Slo spurs fan]

We lost!!!!!!! Should I smile or cry???

[velik_m]

GB wins 63:56


Also: Angel gets married and our team starts losing - coincedence? I think NOT! :p:

I rest my case.

[velik_m]

We lost!!!!!!! Should I smile or cry???

Smile. Life's too short.

[Kobayagi]

CIA Zdovc at his best. No reason for panicking.

[Slo spurs fan]

CIA Zdovc at his best. No reason for panicking.

Fuck it. Sorry but I am not buying this shit anymore.

[Kobayagi]

I'm actually laughing. :lmao


They didn't convince me they're that bad.

[VuK]

Auuuuu!!!!

[Kobayagi]

Auuuuu!!!!


what r u trying to say? :lol

[VuK]

what r u trying to say? :lol

http://www.schwedisch-translator.de/tiere/bilder/wolf_5.jpg

[Texas_Ranger]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lmao :lol


Jebem ti to reprezentanco zafukano. Pička materna!! Naj gre vse u kurac. Jebeš to da ne moreš zmagat Velike Britanije. Ma res sramota!! In tu ni nobenih izgovorov za ta neuspeh!! Me boli kurac če je pripravjalna tekma al ne!! Zdovc naj odstopi kreten prekleti! Človek nima pojma. Od mojega soseda čorava mačka bi bla boljši trener od njega! Naj že enkrat določi prvo peterko in naj odpusti 3 jebene igralce, ali pa vsaj Klobučara in Vidmara, ki se zna da ne gresta nikamor na EP. Igralci tudi igrajo za en drek. Jebe se meni kaj so oni igrali v treh dneh zapored, Britanci so tudi... Pa joj, joj, joj. Ne morem verjet da so zgubili od Velike Britanije. Pa ja ne poznam nobenega igralca od tiste ekipe. Saj je OK če izgubiš proti Španiji, samo od kurčevih Britancov... Ma naj gre vse u 3 pičke materne!!!

[Kobayagi]

Breathe, man, breathe....nice'n easy.

[Texas_Ranger]

Breathe, man, breathe....nice'n easy.

Now it's all OK! :lol

I'm not disappointed that we lost, cause when I saw how pathetic we were playing I was rooting for Great Britain. It's just funny how bad our team looks.:hat

[sendman]

Now it's all OK! :lol

I'm not disappointed that we lost, cause when I saw how pathetic we were playing I was rooting for Great Britain. It's just funny how bad our team looks.:hat
The only way is up....baby!:lmao

[Kobayagi]

They couldn't even inbound the ball...I'm not buying it. Bad acting.

[Texas_Ranger]

They couldn't even inbound the ball...I'm not buying it. Bad acting.

Zdovc: ''But we played 3 games in 3 days. You must know that we are tired.''

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Meanwhile Hellas is 4-0.

[Texas_Ranger]

Meanwhile Hellas is 4-0.

Hellas is not fucking around. And they are better than Slovenia!

[Texas_Ranger]

Meanwhile Hellas is 4-0.

They lost to Serbia! :hat

Fuck, the Serbs are going to rape our team on Euro cup.:blah

[10-tka]

I'm thinking going to the moon for one month. In that way I won't be frustrated with our NT but also back in time for medal party in Preseren square if...

[velik_m]

:wow Vujačič got cut from the team.

[Texas_Ranger]

:wow Vujačič got cut from the team.

At least Klobučar is still here.:blah

[mogrovejo]

I've seen them in Murcia last week. This team badly needs Smodis. Without him, they're just not that talented. With him, a frontcourt of Lorbek, Smodiz, Nachbar and Lakovic firing bombs makes them the only team with a real chance of upsetting Spain based on talent. Erazek is looking real good for this stage of the season. But they need to start defending as they used to.

Anyway, as always Slovenia has to play against their own story. They'll very probably cruise in the groups stage and lose the first elimination game to Poland or Latvia.

[velik_m]

At least Klobučar is still here.:blah

Well to be honest as far as prep games went - Klobucar was > Vujacic.

Vujacic showed nothing in Spain. He didn't hit anything, had lots of turnovers, missed rotations on defense. I just thought he will get a few more chances, plus i never thought Zdovc will have the balls to cut him. He's also probably lost for Slovenian team in the future.

EDIT: Zupan got cut too, but that is no surprise, as he was brought in just as a training fodder when Smodis got injured.

[mogrovejo]

Vujacic is garbage. You're not losing anything. Easily replaceable player.

[10-tka]

:wow Vujačič got cut from the team.

we won't see him in green and white anymore
another Preldzic... maybe he will try to play for Montenegro

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Vujacic is not even good enough to be on your team in the first place. Only reason he would be considered is the bull shit "NBA players are all better than any European player" crap.

[Kamnik]

Vujacic isn't even an NBA player if you ask me... He basically sucks in everything except pissing other players off. Hopefully they won't invite him again because he didn't show anything.

Props to Zdovc for doing it... his second "nice move" after showing some emotions and getting ejected vs Spain :P

[angel_luv]

Hey guys!

How goes it with the team?

[sendman]

Hey guys!

How goes it with the team?
Hi Angie, back from honeymoon already?

About the team...there were highs and there are lows. I suggest that you scroll through last 4 or 5 pages (there are some congratulations written) and you'll catch up real quick.
This team went south when you got married.
Check this thread since august 18. and your announcement.

[angel_luv]

Also: Angel gets married and our team starts losing - coincedence? I think NOT! :p:


I think the team missed my being in the thread. They'll rally now that I am home.

And for the record, my husband is a fan of Rasho and therefore supports the Slovenia NT. Bo has owned his own of Rasho's national team jersey since before we met and began dating. :)

[angel_luv]

Hi Angie, back from honeymoon already?

About the team...there were highs and there are lows. I suggest that you scroll through last two or three pages (there are some congratulations written) and you'll catch up real quick.

Will do.

Thanks for the info and the congrats.

Yes, we took a short honeymoon to the beach at South Padre Island, as neither of us could be away from work too long.

Besides I was excited to come back to the forum and see how that NT is doing. :)

[angel_luv]

Bo and I want to run away together to Europe for our tenth wedding anniversary- to Slovenia. Bo has already bought me the tour book.
But we both hope to visit a few times before then. :)

I want to see the NT play in person.

[Kobayagi]

There won't be a slovenian NT in ten years. :lol

Our team is falling apart. There's rumours about locker room fights between some guys. Rasho is really missed, on and off the court. :depressed

[Kamnik]

There's rumours about locker room fights between some guys.

Seriously? Like who?

Anyways... I am quite optimistic about the future of our team with great young players like Lorbek and Dragic. Lorbek is already an incredible offensive player and Dragic has a lot of potential to evolve even further.

[Kobayagi]

Seriously? Like who?



Nachbar and Golemac...but like I said...it's rumours. But where there's smoke, there's usually fire, too.

[sendman]

Nachbar and Golemac...but like I said...it's rumours. But where there's smoke, there's usually fire, too.

Rumor goes that there would be a fight in the locker room, but Nachbar is to fat and slow to catch Golemac (to much space for him to escape). Now he is waiting for Jurica to go into some very small toilet and that is his chance, he can take him there. He'll sit on him till he suffocates.:lmao

[angel_luv]

There won't be a slovenian NT in ten years. :lol


There better be a Slovenian NT as far as 20 years down the road, otherwise who is my daughter ( when I have her) going to have a crush on? :)

[sendman]

There better be a Slovenian NT as far as 20 years down the road, otherwise who is my daughter ( when I have her) going to have a crush on? :)
OK then, just for your daughters sake!:lol

[ata]

:wow Vujačič got cut from the team.
The most stupid move from Zdovc possible. We've just lost Vujačič for NT for good.

He was not stellar in Spain, but hey, who was?

[Kamnik]

We've just lost Vujačič for NT for good.


Is that so bad? Do you think he can contribute a lot to this team over the years?

Take a good look at his shooting % (the thing he is supposed to be good at... shooting): http://www.nba.com/playerfile/sasha_vujacic/

He SUCKS and I don't really understand what he is doing in the NBA.

[Texas_Ranger]

Marko Milič said that this was bullshit what they did to Vujacic.
Zdovc is one pathetic moron. Fucking prick. If we don't get a medal he should be fired!
This is the best team so far. There's only no Rasho and Sani, but all other players are here. So Zdovc better make some fucking progress!!

[Kobayagi]

This is the best team so far.

No it's not and I wish everyone would stop saying that.

I think that Belgrade 2005 team was better. We missed Beno, but we had Sani, Rasho and Milič.

Čapin & Joksimovič combined are a good substitute for Dragič.
Jurak & Maravič are better or the same as Golemac & Vidmar.
Everyone else from this year's team (except Samo Udrih, Domen Lorbek and Jagodnik, but they are scrubs anyway) was on the 2005 team as well.
I'd take Sani instead of Beno and Milič instead of Golemac. I'd even take Rasho instead of Smodiš and his permanent back problems.

2005 team:

Bečirovič
Brezec
Ćapin
Joksimovič
Jurak
Lakovič
E. Lorbek
Maravič
Milič
Nachbar
Nesterovič
Slokar

[Pero]

How about 2001? Namewise, not successwise hehe... Probably we had one of the worst teams in 2007, and would've been in the semifinals if not for choking.

[Kobayagi]

Exactly. All our teams so far were very similar as far as talent and depth goes. Same goes for this year's team. Nothing special about it.

[Texas_Ranger]

This is the most talented team!
Those guys in 05 were still young. Slokar and E.Lorbek weren't that good. Jurak, Čapin and Maravič were bad. Just like S.Udrih, D.Lorbek and Jagodnik now. Zdovc could call Joksimovič who is 10X better that fucking Klobučar and D.Lorbek, but he's just stupid, and he rather takes Olimpija's guy of the bench then one of better SG in NLB.

You can have 10 superstars, but if you've got a stupid coach it doesn't matter.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Is it true Vujacic got kicked off the team?

[Texas_Ranger]

Is it true Vujacic got kicked off the team?

yes

[sendman]

You don't need 12 superstars. Look at Spaniards. You need a good backbone and good supporting stuff.
Our backbone should be Beno, Smodis, Rasho.
Reality is that we don't have Rasho, we don't have Smodis and we have half hearted Beno.

We have great backups in E. Lorbek and Dragic, but it looks like our backups will be forced to take main roles. And now we're in trouble. With our backups taking main toles, we don't have great backups any more, just solid. Now we are not a great team any more, but again we are just a solid team without that...something more. But even then it would be possible to get a good result, it those players would pull in the same direction.
And once again we are hearing about fighting, bad atmosphere, about me first attitude and all that same crap we were hearing in the past.
KZS did everything in their power to provide this "assholes" with everything they wished for. And again it looks like it's not enough.

To me it's perfectly clear, never again call this Mofos under the national flag.
I'd rather watch Jagodnik, Jurak, Maravic, Zupan, Drobnjak and guys like them to leave their hears on the floor, even they don't have talent, then to watch those spoiled self centered morons that think that world exists because of them.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

yes


:lmao owned. I don't think that guy's own mother likes him anymore.

[10-tka]

i miss Rasho
now everybody who's got 2 minutes of time play boss in our NT

fuck it Zdovc, you screwed Olimpija and now NT

[KSeal]

Is it true Vujacic got kicked off the team?

http://www.sta.si/en/vest.php?s=a&id=1420464

[KSeal]

He did hurt his knee a little while ago so I'm not sure how much that had to do with him being cut but still, that's pretty pathetic. I hope Morrison gets PT over Sasha next year.

[Pero]

yes

But it's also true that Vujacic missed most a lot of the time with the team, if not for injury things might have been different.


Jurak, Čapin and Maravič were bad.

Right, he really sucked. Did nothing, except basically got us to the world championship.

[Pero]

He did hurt his knee a little while ago so I'm not sure how much that had to do with him being cut but still, that's pretty pathetic. I hope Morrison gets PT over Sasha next year.

He missed a lot of practice because of it.

[Slo spurs fan]

I think the team missed my being in the thread. They'll rally now that I am home.

And for the record, my husband is a fan of Rasho and therefore supports the Slovenia NT. Bo has owned his own of Rasho's national team jersey since before we met and began dating. :)

:toast

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

WTF is with these posts? Have any of you seen Sasha actually play? He SUCKS.

[Texas_Ranger]

WTF is with these posts? Have any of you seen Sasha actually play? He SUCKS.

Yea I know that he SUCKS, but he was still injured like one week ago. Coach should give him another chance, but no. If our coach was Greece team coach you would go insane.

[10-tka]

We should try one tournament without coach. any of them.
maybe this would help

[ata]

Is that so bad? Do you think he can contribute a lot to this team over the years?

Take a good look at his shooting % (the thing he is supposed to be good at... shooting): http://www.nba.com/playerfile/sasha_vujacic/

He SUCKS and I don't really understand what he is doing in the NBA.

Yes it is, It is not just bad it is a disaster.
Shooting percentage? Is this the argument after parade of bricks thrown against GB? GB played tight zone and none of our perimeter player was able to hit from open(!) position. What is shooting percentage of Nachbar, Lakovič?

Is S. Udrih really better than Vujačič? Is he a player who could be one of backbones of NT for next decade?

Zdovc's arguments are plain stupid. Is Smodiš better prepared for games in Poland than Vujačič? No, so why he wasn't kicked?

[sendman]

Is S. Udrih really better than Vujačič? Is he a player who could be one of backbones of NT for next decade?

Zdovc's arguments are plain stupid. Is Smodiš better prepared for games in Poland than Vujačič? No, so why he wasn't kicked?

He, he, I feel your pain.
I wrote about this before Spanish tournament.

Quote:
Head scratchers for Zdovc:
Every game one of his "sure things" to get cut comes out with a solid performance. D. Lorbek did it yesterday.
What about team chemistry? What will happen when missing guys return and some of the guys that are busting their asses of will get cut?
Does returning of injured players mean step back because Zdovc have to incorporate them in the offensive schemes?
Zdovc will have to make his decisions soon. I think Spanish tournament will determine last 12.

Reality:
Smodis won't play. Everybody in the right mind knows that.
But we also know the reason why Zdovc doesn't announce it. Reason is very simple. There is some big marketing behind this whole operation. Items to sell, people to convince to buy tickets and arrangements for Poland. Euphoria is in full affect.
This generation of players is lost forever and we will have to except that.
I'm not saying that few of this players won't get a call in the future, but with this guys...too many tries and too many failures. Put a fork in them, they are done!

[InK]

What a dumbass move by Zdovc. They were trying to get him to play for our NT for years, and when he finally comes in Zdovc cuts him from the team. Seriouslly what the f... is that?
We all know he didn't play well in Spain, and had a dreadful season-- but you just don't go and alienate a talented player, who could have produced ( and who showed he can be pretty effective in the past when not injured) in the future for us. Zdovc banned him from the NT for life now.

[Kamnik]

From interview with Brezec:



<jaka> Je bilo v slačilnici kaj nemirov in ste si mogoce povedali par krepkih po turnirju v Španiji?

<Primoz Brezec> Niti najmanj, nobenega incidenta ni bilo, niti povzdignjenega glasu.

[ata]

From interview with Brezec:



<jaka> Je bilo v slačilnici kaj nemirov in ste si mogoce povedali par krepkih po turnirju v Španiji?

<Primoz Brezec> Niti najmanj, nobenega incidenta ni bilo, niti povzdignjenega glasu.

True. Slaping between two morons (Nachbar & Golemac) can't be counted as incident.

[velik_m]

True. Slaping between two morons (Nachbar & Golemac) can't be counted as incident.

Link?

Really, i decided to hold my judgment about the whole thing until i hear the other side (Sasha), which may mean forever.

Ultimately it's Zdovc's call and he'll be held responsible for it.

[Kamnik]

http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/ep-v-kosarki-2009/foto-ce-bi-se-kosarkarji-res-stepli-bi-zdovc-ukrepal/210737

Some photos. Also a comment about Vujacic and how he understood Zdovc's move.

[Kamnik]

A good article about Vujabitch: http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/ep-v-kosarki-2009/sasa-zelel-biti-prva-violina-ne-le-clan-orkestra/210763

Zdovc did the only right thing...

I don't believe this reporter speaks out of his ass but knows a lot of things in the background and from the lockerroom.

[sendman]

It looks like I'll have to eat my words, Smodis will try to play.
http://www.delo.si/clanek/87061

[velik_m]

Yup, welcome back Smoki!

[velik_m]

A good article about Vujabitch: http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/ep-v-kosarki-2009/sasa-zelel-biti-prva-violina-ne-le-clan-orkestra/210763

Zdovc did the only right thing...

I don't believe this reporter speaks out of his ass but knows a lot of things in the background and from the lockerroom.

Eh, he's just speculating. And Sani didn't play for Slovenia 2 years ago.

[Kamnik]

Eh, he's just speculating.

He doesn't seem to be speculating... he is putting in firm statements like he KNOWS.

And anyways... as for your statements/predictions with Lakovic and Smodis this year I tend to go opposite on everything you write to be right on the money! :toast

[velik_m]

He doesn't seem to be speculating... he is putting in firm statements like he KNOWS.

And anyways... as for your statements/predictions with Lakovic and Smodis this year I tend to go opposite on everything you write to be right on the money! :toast

What did i say about Smodis?

[Kamnik]

My mistake, I mistaken you with sendman

[angel_luv]

It looks like I'll have to eat my words, Smodis will try to play.
http://www.delo.si/clanek/87061

That is great news! Yea! :)

[sendman]

My mistake, I mistaken you with sendman
What did I say about Lakovic and Smodis?

[Kamnik]

It looks like I'll have to eat my words, Smodis will try to play.

[Kamnik]

p.s.
Forget I said anything haha :D

[velik_m]

Bolgaria tomorrow :ihit.

Can we beat them? :lol

[10-tka]

we should play 7-8 guys not 14 all the time

[angel_luv]

Dajmo Slovenija! :)

[Kamnik]

we should play 7-8 guys not 14 all the time

AGREED!

I hope to see some permament 9-11 man rotation. I don't think we can expect less... Stop with the bullshit experiments and let the right guys play together to build on floor chemistry.

[Kamnik]

we should play 7-8 guys not 14 all the time

AGREED!

I hope to see some permament 9-11 man rotation. I don't think we can expect less... Stop with the bullshit experiments and let the right guys play together to build on floor chemistry.

p.s.

I got a ticket for sunday! :ihit

[ata]

Vujačič tells his story: http://www.siol.net/Sportal/Kosarka/EP2009/Novice/2009/08/Vujacic_je_spregovoril.aspx

I believe him more than I believe Zdovc.

In English: http://www.vujacic.net/2009/08/28/official-statement-from-sasha-regarding-his-departure-from-slovenian-national-team/

[Kamnik]

Vujačič tells his story: http://www.siol.net/Sportal/Kosarka/EP2009/Novice/2009/08/Vujacic_je_spregovoril.aspx

I believe him more than I believe Zdovc.

In English: http://www.vujacic.net/2009/08/28/official-statement-from-sasha-regarding-his-departure-from-slovenian-national-team/

"The very first day, I realized that training was unreasonably excessive and insensible to avoid injury."


HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA so basically... hard practice (UNREASONABLY hard practice) is fault for his injury... how come other players came through it and don't complain?

After reading the whole thing I think now he is even a bigger pussy than ever before. He blaims EVERYONE and EVERYTHING except his poor play and probably his diva attitude that helped the team to make the decision.


Another thing... This team is full of experts and people with some power. Do you really think Zdovc made the decision to let him go completely on his own? I think not. It was probably a decision from several people who all realized 2 things:

1. that he sucks
2. that he has a bad attitude (as expected) and doesn't fit into the team chemistry

[sendman]

"The very first day, I realized that training was unreasonably excessive and insensible to avoid injury."


HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA so basically... hard practice (UNREASONABLY hard practice) is fault for his injury... how come other players came through it and don't complain?

After reading the whole thing I think now he is even a bigger pussy than ever before. He blaims EVERYONE and EVERYTHING except his poor play and probably his diva attitude that helped the team to make the decision.


Another thing... This team is full of experts and people with some power. Do you really think Zdovc made the decision to let him go completely on his own? I think not. It was probably a decision from several people who all realized 2 things:

1. that he sucks
2. that he has a bad attitude (as expected) and doesn't fit into the team chemistry

So, you believe everything you read in newspapers. Interesting.

[ploto]

So, you believe everything you read in newspapers. Interesting.

That's Sasha's official website with his statement in English- trying to work on his PR in the US.

[Kamnik]

What ploto said...

This statement of his is one of the most butthurt things I ever read.

I can understand he is frustrated and hurt he got cut; but he is out of line going publicly pouring shit on everyone in the NT.

FACTS:

1. he sucked
2. he was hurt
3. he had chemistry issues
4. never in his statement he wrote anything about getting hurt when promoting his shoes; he blames the whole world instead of himself
5. he actually isn't too well in his head if he thinks he actually contributed to the Lakers winning the championship. He did a brickfest throught the playoffs!

Why the hell not to cut him? He deserved it.

[velik_m]

Well i said i will not form an opinion, until i hear Sasha's side of the story, so now here it is:

It's clear that he had different expectations both on his role on the team as well as the whole preparation process. A softer coach (like Pipan) might make it work (or make it worse), but in the end, Zdovc did the right thing. It's clear he didn't get along with other players, he was in poor shape and in even poorer form. Cutting him was the best short term solution, it's too bad that Sasha doesn't see that this was done in his best interest too - imagine if the whole thing fell apart at the EC and players came out blaming him. Zdovc gave the "he got hurt, missed training, not enough time" spin on the whole situation and i think Sasha should've run with it. I understand his feelings were hurt and he feels he was unjustly treated for things out of his control, but instead of lashing back at NT, he should channel that into something positive, vowing to come back better and stonger next year.

The only bad thing about this ordeal is the fact, that he's now probably forever lost for the NT.

[Kamnik]

It's clear that he had different expectations both on his role on the team as well as the whole preparation process. A softer coach (like Pipan) might make it work (or make it worse), but in the end, Zdovc did the right thing. It's clear he didn't get along with other players, he was in poor shape and in even poorer form. Cutting him was the best short term solution, it's too bad that Sasha doesn't see that this was done in his best interest too - imagine if the whole thing fell apart at the EC and players came out blaming him. Zdovc gave the "he got hurt, missed training, not enough time" spin on the whole situation and i think Sasha should've run with it. I understand his feelings were hurt and he feels he was unjustly treated for things out of his control, but instead of lashing back at NT, he should channel that into something positive, vowing to come back better and stonger next year.


Nicely written. I can't agree more.



If Saša would be a real pro he would play it smoothly and come back next year stronger, healthy and more preapared. Hopefully he would also learn something about behaviour diference in the NT. This is not the NBA...

But he went and basically burned all the bridges.

Proud and honoured he got called to NT? No way. If this would be true he wouldn't act now like a hurt primadona but like a PROFESSIONAL!


I pray to basketball gods Zdovc will stop jugling rotations and players and finally let our best players play the bulk of the minutes to create chemistry and good morale after (hopefully) a pair of wins.

[velik_m]

Game live over internet: http://www.rtvslo.si/play/v-zivo-tv-slovenija-2/tv.slo2/

game starts 18:00 CET

This game and game on sunday will be live on SLO2 and Eurosport2.

The games in germany will be live on DSF.

[10-tka]

lock the thread about miss vujacic already and star focusing on NT

http://shrani.si/f/37/x7/3PuWCUjW/117316gr4pg.gif

[angel_luv]

Game live over internet: http://www.rtvslo.si/play/v-zivo-tv-slovenija-2/tv.slo2/

game starts 18:00 CET

This game and game on sunday will be live on SLO2 and Eurosport2.

The games in germany will be live on DSF.

hvala lepa. :)

[velik_m]

Who the fuck is missing the defensive assigments? How many times will we let them shoot open three pointers?

[velik_m]

Bulgaria leads 48-40 at the half with a surreal 3-pointer percentage.

[10-tka]

haha
our team is picking their noses instead of preparing for tournament

shitty job of shitty coach

[angel_luv]

Bulgaria leads 48-40 at the half with a surreal 3-pointer percentage.

Boo!

Comeback time! Who will be the hero? :)

[velik_m]

59:57 ater 3/4.

I like how our first unit worked in this game - if only the second unit would pick-up some slack.

[angel_luv]

59:57 ater 3/4.

I like how our first unit worked in this game - if only the second unit would pick-up some slack.

Whoosh! That's more like it. But there is still work to be done. I want a fantastic fourth quarter to get us this win. :)

:cheer :D :cheer

[velik_m]

We win 80-77, but poor hustle under the basket, poor rebounding. Poor game by Lakovic, D. Lorbek and Golemac, Erazem also faded away in the second half.

[velik_m]

I don't get it why isn't Dragic a pg on the second unit and Jaka a sg? It makes way more sense given their skill set.

[velik_m]

Boki played nice though.

[10-tka]

funny game

[Kamnik]

If anything posivite from this game... Nachbar is starting to heat up. WE NEED HIM!

As we are very weak at the 2 position we must have at least a decent 3 position filled.

[Slo spurs fan]

We win 80-77, but poor hustle under the basket, poor rebounding. Poor game by Lakovic, D. Lorbek and Golemac, Erazem also faded away in the second half.

Are you serious? Domen played very well. Golemac wasn´t that bad either.

[Slo spurs fan]

Brezec is just a waste of air. Jaka is going his way also.

[Slo spurs fan]

SLOVENIA - BULGARIA
80:77 (22:26, 18:22, 19:9, 21:20)

Nachbar 14 K. Ivanov 18
D. Lorbek 13 Rowland 13
Slokar 12 Videnov 12
E. Lorbek 11 Georgiev 8
Dragič 9 Kostov 8
Golemac 8 Evtimov 6
B. Udrih 8 D. Ivanov 6
Lakovič 3 Avramov 5
Brezec 2 Slavejkov 1

[sendman]

FACTS:

1. he sucked

3. he had chemistry issues
4. never in his statement he wrote anything about getting hurt when promoting his shoes; he blames the whole world instead of himself
5. he actually isn't too well in his head if he thinks he actually contributed to the Lakers winning the championship. He did a brickfest throught the playoffs!

Why the hell not to cut him? He deserved it.

Wow, just wow.

Let's see:
Your fact No. 1 - he sucked

Dude, who died and made you a Pope? Who the hell are you to declare someone sucked? What did you do in basketball?

Here is a fact for you. You SUCK!

Your fact No. 3 - he had chemistry issues
Again, this statement is "fact" because? You can confirm this "fact" with what? Because you said so?

Here is a fact for you. You SUCK....again!

Your fact No. 4 - never in his statement he wrote anything about getting hurt when promoting his shoes; he blames the whole world instead of himself

What are you, an imbecile? Even this was true, you don't really expect him to say that. Can you imagine Kobe saying Ii f**ked my knee because of Nike shoes I have? And you don't have a shred of evidence to support this "fact" of yours.

Here is a fact for you. You SUCK....again!

Your fact No. 5 - he actually isn't too well in his head if he thinks he actually contributed to the Lakers winning the championship. He did a brickfest throught the playoffs!

Where did he say that he thinks all that crap you are writing about in your so called fact No. 5? Dude, you are delusional, go out... get some fresh air in that head of yours.
So what if he did a brickfest in the playoffs, he had to make some before, so Jackson would let him shoot in the playoffs.

Here is a one last fact for you. You SUCK....again!

[Slo spurs fan]

:corn:

[velik_m]

Wow, just wow.

Let's see:
Your fact No. 1 - he sucked

Dude, who died and made you a Pope? Who the hell are you to declare someone sucked? What did you do in basketball?

Here is a fact for you. You SUCK!

Your fact No. 3 - he had chemistry issues
Again, this statement is "fact" because? You can confirm this "fact" with what? Because you said so?

Here is a fact for you. You SUCK....again!

Your fact No. 4 - never in his statement he wrote anything about getting hurt when promoting his shoes; he blames the whole world instead of himself

What are you, an imbecile? Even this was true, you don't really expect him to say that. Can you imagine Kobe saying Ii f**ked my knee because of Nike shoes I have? And you don't have a shred of evidence to support this "fact" of yours.

Here is a fact for you. You SUCK....again!

Your fact No. 5 - he actually isn't too well in his head if he thinks he actually contributed to the Lakers winning the championship. He did a brickfest throught the playoffs!

Where did he say that he thinks all that crap you are writing about in your so called fact No. 5? Dude, you are delusional, go out... get some fresh air in that head of yours.
So what if he did a brickfest in the playoffs, he had to make some before, so Jackson would let him shoot in the playoffs.

Here is a one last fact for you. You SUCK....again!

What a thoughtfull & well argumented reply. Quality stuff. :tu

[Kobayagi]

lol Bulgaria.



That's all I have to say.


And don't give me that "Bulgaria isn't a bad team" crap. We were thinking we can compete with Spain, Greece, France, Lithuania and the rest and here we are struggling against Bulgaria. Yes, you heard it...Bulgaria. Lol. They were resting their A guys throughout the second half and we almost lost? :lol

[Kamnik]

Wow, just wow.

Let's see:
Your fact No. 1 - he sucked

Dude, who died and made you a Pope? Who the hell are you to declare someone sucked? What did you do in basketball?

Here is a fact for you. You SUCK!

Your fact No. 3 - he had chemistry issues
Again, this statement is "fact" because? You can confirm this "fact" with what? Because you said so?

Here is a fact for you. You SUCK....again!

Your fact No. 4 - never in his statement he wrote anything about getting hurt when promoting his shoes; he blames the whole world instead of himself

What are you, an imbecile? Even this was true, you don't really expect him to say that. Can you imagine Kobe saying Ii f**ked my knee because of Nike shoes I have? And you don't have a shred of evidence to support this "fact" of yours.

Here is a fact for you. You SUCK....again!

Your fact No. 5 - he actually isn't too well in his head if he thinks he actually contributed to the Lakers winning the championship. He did a brickfest throught the playoffs!

Where did he say that he thinks all that crap you are writing about in your so called fact No. 5? Dude, you are delusional, go out... get some fresh air in that head of yours.
So what if he did a brickfest in the playoffs, he had to make some before, so Jackson would let him shoot in the playoffs.

Here is a one last fact for you. You SUCK....again!

Čuj ti, ka taj maš probleme? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Ti bom kasneje danes, ko se mi raven alkohola v krvi spusti pod 1,5 spisal zakaj si bedak in zakaj mislim, da si iz Maribora oziroma bližnje okolice :toast

p.s.

What I did in basketball? I hit a game winning shot in the last second against a rival high school... that is probably 1 game winning shot more than Sashenka hit in his life :p:

[sendman]

What I did in basketball? I hit a game winning shot in the last second against a rival high school... that is probably 1 game winning shot more than Sashenka hit in his life :p:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLtL9FOg1I

And I believe there is some difference between the Lakers and your pathetic High school team.

[10-tka]

http://www.kosarka.si/vsebina/datoteke/2009/08/Slovenija-Bolgarija-20090828-080.jpg

[Kamnik]

Just read this: http://www.delo.si/clanek/87256

[Kamnik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLtL9FOg1I

And I believe there is some difference between the Lakers and your pathetic High school team.

Well the diference betwen me and Sasha is that I actually contributed some things to that team. On the other hand probably Sasha's biggest asset is to annoy his teammates. I have NO IDEA why Jackson tolerates him.

[Kamnik]

Nima veze. Nisem pri volji, da bi se kregal. Samo to povej...

1. A si iz MB?
2. A med drugim tudi misliš da je Zahovič bog na zemlji?

[sendman]

Nima veze. Nisem pri volji, da bi se kregal. Samo to povej...

1. A si iz MB?
2. A med drugim tudi misliš da je Zahovič bog na zemlji?
2 x NE!

[sendman]

Just read this: http://www.delo.si/clanek/87256

I'm not some big Sasha fan, never was. I just hate when someone is wrongfully accused. You don't know what happened, I don't know what happened, but something stinks. There are double standards for him and for Smodis.
And something was wrong from the get go. While Beno was with the team even in civil clothes, Vujacic was absent. And Beno had his therapies too.
I'm not even saying that Vujacic must be on the team, but the way things went down, tells me that something is fishy.

Yesterdays game showed how much a good shooter will be missed. Zone defenses will kill our team.
Even Bulgarian zone was killing them :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao.
Now imagine someone who actually knows how to play defense.
Things went wrong with this NT again and that makes me sad, but it doesn't give me a right to make things up.

[Kamnik]

Yesterdays game showed how much a good shooter will be missed.

If Sasha despite all his flaws would be a good shooter they would keep him.

But unfortunately he IS NOT a good shooter. Maybe in practice, but who the hell cares about that.

[velik_m]

Yesterdays game showed how much a good shooter will be missed.

Against Lithuania: 8 minutes, 0/1 3pt 2 fouls
Against Spain: 12 minutes, 0/1 2pt 1/4 3pt 2/2 ft, 1 def rebound 3 fouls
Against GB: 10 minutes, 0/1 2pt 0/3 3pt, 1 off reb 3 asists 3 fouls

So 0% 2 pointers and 12.5% 3 pointers. I dread to see what a bad shooter looks like.

But hey it's just a couple of games - lets see how did he do during the season:
Regular: 80 games, 16.2 mpg, 38.7 fg% (well bellow league avarage) 36.3 3pt% (about league avarage)
Playoffs: 23 games 10.9 mpg, 26.4 fg%, 32.4 3pt%.

He may be a great shooter, but this year he's been crap.

[sendman]

Against Lithuania: 8 minutes, 0/1 3pt 2 fouls
Against Spain: 12 minutes, 0/1 2pt 1/4 3pt 2/2 ft, 1 def rebound 3 fouls
Against GB: 10 minutes, 0/1 2pt 0/3 3pt, 1 off reb 3 asists 3 fouls

So 0% 2 pointers and 12.5% 3 pointers. I dread to see what a bad shooter looks like.

But hey it's just a couple of games - lets see how did he do during the season:
Regular: 80 games, 16.2 mpg, 38.7 fg% (well bellow league avarage) 36.3 3pt% (about league avarage)
Playoffs: 23 games 10.9 mpg, 26.4 fg%, 32.4 3pt%.

He may be a great shooter, but this year he's been crap.

How goes that old saying about sun always following the rain? He was almost a 50% shooter for a good part of the 2007-08. He was bad during this season, but he wasn't exactly lucky. His season started with an injury. Ariza was playing great and was taking his minutes away.
One thing about Vujacic is sure. He needs a lot of minutes to settle and to gain confidence. He didn't have that luxury on the Lakers, because they were in the run for the championship.
Again, I don't mind Zdovc sent him packing if there were problems with him, but something just doesn't feel right.

[Pero]

There are double standards for him and for Smodis.


Well that's understandable. Smodis has been one of the best, if not the best, power forwards in Europe for several years and is practically the heart of the team, while Vujacic had one good season in the NBA. Also, Smodis played for the NT on the previous championship and actually played a few friendly games this year while Sasha hasn't.

I believe Sasha's story, though he might have exaggerated some things. Like the too hard training part.

[sendman]

Well that's understandable. Smodis has been one of the best, if not the best, power forwards in Europe for several years and is practically the heart of the team, while Vujacic had one good season in the NBA. Also, Smodis played for the NT on the previous championship and actually played a few friendly games this year while Sasha hasn't.

I believe Sasha's story, though he might have exaggerated some things. Like the too hard training part.
You are OK with double standards. I get it.

[IronMexican]

http://www.kosarka.si/vsebina/datoteke/2009/08/Slovenija-Bolgarija-20090828-080.jpg

Translate for those who don't speak spanish, please.

[sendman]

Translate for those who don't speak spanish, please.
I'll disappoint you:

Vujacic, KZS (Slovenian basketball federation) doesn't want you, but Maribor (name of his hometown) is always with you.


p.s.
Lack of knowledge is a bitch.

[Kamnik]

You are OK with double standards. I get it.

In this case... I think everyone is ok with double standards except you.

Vujacic and Smodis shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence if you are comparing players by what they achieved and what kind of personalities they are.

And NO, contributing absolutely nothing to winning a championship and then getting a ring because you were a part of that team isn't an acomplishment.

p.s.

Imo the sports fan base in Maribor is a little retarded. They support the likes of Zahovič and Vujačič as they are gods. Well to be honest; Zahovič at least achieved some things even if he is a douchebag.

[Kobayagi]

In this case... I think everyone is ok with double standards except you.



I'm not ok with it.

And no, I'm not anywhere near štajerska. :downspin:

[Pero]

I think Vujacic should've gotten more opportunity. But double standards they may be, you can't compare the two, Smodis is much more important.

And winning an NBA championship is an accomplishment.

[IronMexican]

I'll disappoint you:

Vujacic, KZS (Slovenian basketball federation) doesn't want you, but Maribor (name of his hometown) is always with you.


p.s.
Lack of knowledge is a bitch.

I didn't think it was anything bad in the first place.

[velik_m]

Just reposting live internet link for tonights game agains Greece: http://www.rtvslo.si/play/v-zivo-tv-slovenija-2/tv.slo2/

Game starts @ 20:00 CET (in less than 2 hours).

We will either get completely murdered out there or we will have some hope restored.

[Kobayagi]

Greece 114 - 68 Slovenia


Vaginis MVP with 43 pts, 11 rbs, 18 ast, 9 stl. :downspin:

[velik_m]

23-10 after 1st quarter.

Good quarter.

[IronMexican]

Is KBP gonna nut everywhere is V-Span has a good game?

[Slo spurs fan]

KillBill is MIA.

[velik_m]

37-31. Jaka with a halfcourt prayer at the end of the half.

Second unit lost the momentum, greeks are creeping back.

[Kobayagi]

Lakovic with a ridiculous 3-pointer accross whole court to finish the 2nd period :lol

[Kobayagi]

37-31. Jaka with a halfcourt prayer at the end of the


halfcourt? That wasnt' halfcourt. :lol

[velik_m]

Is KBP gonna nut everywhere is V-Span has a good game?

Vaginis got blocked by Brezec (a player not affraid to play in NBA) in the 1st quarter and went MIA since.

[velik_m]

halfcourt? That wasnt' halfcourt. :lol

Yeah ok, from the other 3 point line.

[IronMexican]

Brezec was a meast on NBA 2k8.

I'm pulling for Slovenia today just so we can all make fun of KBP.

[Pero]

Does Nachbar look a little fat to anyone else?

[Kobayagi]

Yes, it's been discussed before in this thread. I personally don't care if he's fat or not if he brings his A game to the court and he's finally beginning to.

Beno looks slim and in great shape.