Spurs interested in Bulls' Thomas?

[Big P]

lets go ahead & stick a fork in the trade deadline for the Spurs..game over

[timvp]

They don't have their 2010 pick, so they can't offer their 2011 pick.

They can offer a 2012 pick.

A protected 2012 pick from the Bobcats? Hmmm ... wonder if the Bulls would be interested in a less protected 2011 pick from the Spurs.

Eh probably not.

[ElNono]

@RicBucher

Sources say Cha is likeliest destination for Bulls' Ty Thomas right now, in exchange for expiring contracts. Flip Murray/Acie Law works.

Deal would be Thomas for Law, Murray and protected future 1st-round pick. Not done, but other suitors for Ty believe it will happen.

Why can't we offer the same and throw in an extra sweetener? I don't know, some cash?

:pctoss

[Mel_13]

Our front office is easily one of the most stubborn in the league.

At times being stubborn is great and some other times its downright stupid..

Standing pat was the worst option for this franchise.

No, a bad trade would be the worst option.

[loveforthegame]

Spurs can't catch a break. So much for those expirings being of use.

[Wombatzu]

Tyrus Thomas was not going to save this season.

it would have been nice to see a change, but that is all it would have been.

[Chomag]

Why can't we offer the same and throw in an extra sweetener? I don't know, some cash?

:pctoss

Possibly that means Pop would have to give up Finely? Not going to happen. It's probably the soul reason that trade talks for Thomas went sour.

I know I'm speculating but you can't help thinking about it. :lol

[benefactor]

Wojo is also reporting Thomas to the Bobcats.

[dbestpro]

"Well, maybe we can get em next year!"

I know that is what is in the back of everyone's mind.

[SenorSpur]

Tyrus Thomas was not going to save this season.

it would have been nice to see a change, but that is all it would have been.

Nothing is going to save this season. That wasn't the objective. Acquiring Thomas was about improving the roster talent and having a player that could potentially upgrade the PF position on this team.

[Chomag]

Tyrus Thomas was not going to save this season.

it would have been nice to see a change, but that is all it would have been.

This team needs a spark, a trade could do that. However then again it might now because it's a gamble, but then again what we currently have going isn't looking any good either.

[Mel_13]

Nothing is going to save this season. That wasn't the objective. Acquiring Thomas was about improving the roster talent and having a player that could potentially upgrade the PF position on this team.

You've been strongly against trading first-round picks. TT had enough potential for you to make an exception?

[Wombatzu]

Nothing is going to save this season. That wasn't the objective. Acquiring Thomas was about improving the roster talent and having a player that could potentially upgrade the PF position on this team.

why do we need to upgrade at PF when we have Michael Finley?

oh but seriously, TT is the kind of bonehead that Pop would put in the doghouse permanently... they might as well keep the expiring contracts and some flexibility instead of having to make a $6m offer to Thomas this off-season.

now if they could have gotten rid of McDyess's contract while getting TT, i would have done that.

[benefactor]

I would have traded our pick for Thomas. Thomas has just as much panning out potential as anyone the Spurs would draft with that pick. If it doesn't work, they let him walk.

[SenorSpur]

You've been strongly against trading first-round picks. TT had enough potential for you to make an exception?

Still am. And I wouldn't give up a 2010 or 2011 1st rounder. However, I would certainly would offer up 2 second rounders or possibly even the 2012 1st rounder.

[bigdog]

So, it's official. Thomas went to the Bobcats.

[FvckMavs]

close this thread already.

[benefactor]

So, it's official. Thomas went to the Bobcats.
Pretty much.

[SenorSpur]

why do we need to upgrade at PF when we have Michael Finley?

oh but seriously, TT is the kind of bonehead that Pop would put in the doghouse permanently... they might as well keep the expiring contracts and some flexibility instead of having to make a $6m offer to Thomas this off-season.

now if they could have gotten rid of McDyess's contract while getting TT, i would have done that.

Everyone that comes to the Spurs isn't going to be finished product. They will need coaching - especially young players. Pop is experiencing his frustrations right now with some of his precious veteran players.

The day that Pop loses or realizes he doesn't have the stomach to coach young, talented players, then he should step down as head coach. That's part of the deal, dude.

[MaNu4Tres]

No, a bad trade would be the worst option.

The only thing Spurs will have to show for their expiring contracts this year is Matt Bonner and his new 3 year deal next year that he will get offered.

That is stupidity on the Spurs' behalf.

Manu will leave for more money and he will get offered more money.

The only way I see Spurs "taking care" of Manu and matching his biggest offer is if he leads this team to the WCF or Finals. I don't see that happening.


This current team doesn't have a chance to win, if they couldn't find moves to improve the team, they should have went the other route and tried to coral as many assets for the future as possible with the expirings.

Stupid stubbornness at its best.

Here comes mediocrity for the next 5 years. ( Yes Yes I know that may sound ungrateful of the Spurs 4 titles because the past is the most important right?).

My high school buddies agree with this notion. Every time I see them all they talk about and are proud about is their glory high school years. News flash people that shit doesn't matter anymore. It's about now and the future.

[Chomag]

Still am. And I wouldn't give up a 2010 or 2011 1st rounder. However, I would certainly would offer up 2 second rounders or possibly even the 2012 1st rounder.

We all know Pop most likely wouldn't play those picks they are to far on the left side of 30, and I wish I could say I was joking when saying that.:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Wait, can somebody explain to me how we couldn't have made a better offer with Mason + a 1st round pick for THIS season?..

Just ridiculous..

[benefactor]

Wait, can somebody explain to me how we couldn't have made a better offer with Mason + a 1st round pick for THIS season?..
They could have. They didn't. :flag:

[benefactor]

Wojo is now saying done deal.

[Wombatzu]

Everyone that comes to the Spurs isn't going to be finished product. They will need coaching - especially young players. Pop is experiencing his frustrations right now with some of his precious veteran players.

The day that Pop loses or realizes he doesn't have the stomach to coach young, talented players, then he should step down as head coach. That's part of the deal, dude.

well, Pop is going to be here as long as Duncan is, so fans (and players) are going to have to live with whatever he does or does not realize.

[benefactor]

ibtl

[Mel_13]

Still am. And I wouldn't give up a 2010 or 2011 1st rounder. However, I would certainly would offer up 2 second rounders or possibly even the 2012 1st rounder.

The two second rounders wouldn't have gotten it down. The 2012 pick would only have gotten it done by putting less protection on the pick than Charlotte is willing to do.

Bottom line, you wouldn't have offered assets that would have definitely swung the trade for Spurs.

[dbestpro]

We have surrendered.

[HarlemHeat37]

Wait, Charlotte's pick was protected too?..

[Chomag]

IMO Spurs have all the assets to make these kind of trades. However they might lack the aggression it takes to get it done. As far as a remember Spurs FO has never been the aggressive negotiator type. More of "if the opportunity is there"

[Mel_13]

The only thing Spurs will have to show for their expiring contracts this year is Matt Bonner and his new 3 year deal next year that he will get offered.

That is stupidity on the Spurs' behalf.

Manu will leave for more money and he will get offered more money.

The only way I see Spurs "taking care" of Manu and matching his biggest offer is if he leads this team to the WCF or Finals. I don't see that happening.


This current team doesn't have a chance to win, if they couldn't find moves to improve the team, they should have went the other route and tried to coral as many assets for the future as possible with the expirings.

Stupid stubbornness at its best.

Here comes mediocrity for the next 5 years. ( Yes Yes I know that may sound ungrateful of the Spurs 4 titles because the past is the most important right?).

My high school buddies agree with this notion. Every time I see them all they talk about and are proud about is their glory high school years. News flash people that shit doesn't matter anymore. It's about now and the future.

Nothing you said changes my point.

Standing pat is not the worst option.

A bad trade is the worst option.

[Death In June]

The FO is great at drafting, but they haven't shown to be worth a damn when it comes to trading. Are there even any remarkable trades in this FO's tenure? There are definitely more failures than positives.

[Bruno]

I didn't think than giving a first round pick for Thomas was a smart idea. I'm quite happy Spurs haven't done it and I hope they have something else under their wings.

[SenorSpur]

The only thing Spurs will have to show for their expiring contracts this year is Matt Bonner and his new 3 year deal next year that he will get offered.

That is stupidity on the Spurs' behalf.

Manu will leave for more money and he will get offered more money.

The only way I see Spurs "taking care" of Manu and matching his biggest offer is if he leads this team to the WCF or Finals. I don't see that happening.


This current team doesn't have a chance to win, if they couldn't find moves to improve the team, they should have went the other route and tried to coral as many assets for the future as possible with the expirings.

Stupid stubbornness at its best.

Here comes mediocrity for the next 5 years. ( Yes Yes I know that may sound ungrateful of the Spurs 4 titles because the past is the most important right?).

My high school buddies agree with this notion. Every time I see them all they talk about and are proud about is their glory high school years. News flash people that shit doesn't matter anymore. It's about now and the future.

I totally understand and share your frustration. What pisses me off is that other, more inferior organizations, have upgraded their talent levels or shaved off salary. Other teams have gotten things done and the Spurs have causally done nothing. It's not as though this team doesn't have its roster warts and could afford to simply stand pat. For the first time in a few years, they actually had some assets to use in various trade scenarios and none have been used.

Again, I didn't expect for the Spurs to pull off anything miraculous. This was just a matter of improving the talent level now to prevent a bottoming out later.

Let's stop fooling ourselves. This team isn't going to challenge for either a title or a deep playoff run. They're simply not equipped to do so. If the deadline passes and they've not upgrade the roster, I predict this team will take a freefall into the draft lottery.

[MaNu4Tres]

Nothing you said changes my point.

Standing pat is not the worst option.

A bad trade is the worst option.

Salmons/Thomas for Mason Finley Bonner and a 1st is not a bad trade. They obviously could have gotten that done.

They could have got Marcus Camby for expirings and a 1st rounder. That didn't get done.

They could have improved the team enough to compete with the Lakers had they included a late first round pick. But they didn't. They obviously think George Hill and DeJuan Blair come out of the draft every year from where they always tend to draft from.

[loveforthegame]

I didn't think than giving a first round pick for Thomas was a smart idea. I'm quite happy Spurs haven't done it and I hope they have something else under their wings.

I hope you're right but the pickings are slim at this point.

[Chomag]

So ummm, is there anything worthwhile in the D-league for a 10-day tryout?

[Kuestmaster]

tyrus to charlotte

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-thomasbobcats021810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[loveforthegame]

Any chance Charlotte will flip Thomas to us? I'm dreaming, I know, but not much else to do at this point.

[SenorSpur]

tyrus to charlotte

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-thomasbobcats021810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

:nutkick:

[ffadicted]

tyrus to charlotte

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-thomasbobcats021810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Charlotte pilling up on talent, damn

[timvp]

Marc J. Spears, Y! Sports: "Y! Sports has learned Bobcats get Tyrus Thomas(notes) from Bulls for Flip Murray(notes), Acie Law(notes) and future 1st round pick. [...] Nuggets tried hard to get Thomas, but Charlotte had more attractive pick."

[Mel_13]

Salmons/Thomas for Mason Finley Bonner and a 1st is not a bad trade. They obviously could have gotten that done.

They could have got Marcus Camby for expirings and a 1st rounder. That didn't get done.

They could have improved the team enough to compete with the Lakers had they included a late first round pick. But they didn't. They obviously think George Hill and DeJuan Blair come out of the draft every year from where they always tend to draft from.

IMO, those are bad trades. You're welcome to an opposing opinion, but those trades both have very certain costs and very uncertain benefits.

[StoneBuddha]

Damn, after seeing what other teams are giving up, I can't believe the Spurs could not get anything done to improve the team. They better not let all these expiring contracts expire without getting something out of them.

I'm depressed now. I was hoping for a Thomas/Salmons trade. That would have helped now and in the future.

Not sure where all this activity leaves the Spurs now. As people mentioned earlier, is there anything out there that would help anymore?

[EricB]

Salmons/Thomas for Mason Finley Bonner and a 1st is not a bad trade. They obviously could have gotten that done.

They could have got Marcus Camby for expirings and a 1st rounder. That didn't get done.

They could have improved the team enough to compete with the Lakers had they included a late first round pick. But they didn't. They obviously think George Hill and DeJuan Blair come out of the draft every year from where they always tend to draft from.



Marcus camby? What kind of bad mushrooms are you on?

Yuck.

[timvp]

If Boris Diaw wouldn't have turned into a fat slob, the Bobcats wouldn't be so desperate for a PF.

I wonder if the Spurs were at least in second place.

[Chomag]

Charlotte pilling up on talent, damn

I think they are now the sleepers that might have the ability to cause damage and make a run on some teams this year. I wish I could say it was the Spurs...

[Death In June]

Not sure where all this activity leaves the Spurs now. As people mentioned earlier, is there anything out there that would help anymore?If you can allow me to dream for a second, Amare would help...

[HarlemHeat37]

So no mention that the Spurs even made a strong offer?..

Who exactly was the FO going after?..Lebron?..

[EricB]

If Boris Diaw wouldn't have turned into a fat slob, the Bobcats wouldn't be so desperate for a PF.

I wonder if the Spurs were at least in second place.


Hasn't he been a fat slob since that big contract Phoenix gave him? :lol

[MrFundamental]

So no mention that the Spurs even made a strong offer?..
Have most of the trades mentioned the offers from the 2nd place suitors?

[EricB]

So no mention that the Spurs even made a strong offer?..

Who exactly was the FO going after?..Lebron?..


:lol assumptions?

[Chomag]

So no mention that the Spurs even made a strong offer?..

Who exactly was the FO going after?..Lebron?..

They probably just sat around waiting at the Phone hoping and expecting someone would call instead of making the calls themselves.:depressed

All speculations I know :lol

[Bruno]

Bobcats won't have enough money next summer to sign both Felton and Thomas and stay below the tax.

If Splitter stays again in Europe, Thomas could be available with the MLE

[HarlemHeat37]

I wonder if Bogans was the deal-breaker in the potential Lebron blockbuster..

[SenorSpur]

The frustrating part about this is that the Spurs have been in talks with the Bulls on this for some time. They managed to sustain talks while outlasting several other potential competitors for Thomas' services (Nuggets, Rockets, Knicks). All that time and they STILL couldn't find a way to get this done.

Call it arrogance, prudence or whatever, there should've been some sort of competitive desparation, based on how this team has underperformed, that would've forced them to get this done at a reasonable cost.

[EricB]

The frustrating part about this is that the Spurs have been in talks with the Bulls on this for some time. They managed to sustain talks while outlasting several other potential competitors for Thomas' services (Nuggets, Rockets, Knicks). All that time and they STILL couldn't find a way to get this done.

Call it arrogance, prudence or whatever, there should've been some sort of competitive desparation, based on how this team has underperformed, that would've forced them to get this done at a reasonable cost.


How do you know there wasn't?

[SenorSpur]

If Boris Diaw wouldn't have turned into a fat slob, the Bobcats wouldn't be so desperate for a PF.

I wonder if the Spurs were at least in second place.

Like a lot of Spurs opponents, Diaw awoke for season high against the Spurs and hasn't been heard from since.

[pensive]

From Twitter:

@WojYahooNBA (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Spurs still trying to trade Roger Mason but nothing imminent, source says. As for Richard Jefferson, forget it. They tried. No shot.

[SenorSpur]

From Twitter:

@WojYahooNBA (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Spurs still trying to trade Roger Mason but nothing imminent, source says. As for Richard Jefferson, forget it. They tried. No shot.

Trade Mason for what? Cash? Future 2nd round picks?

All the good players they needed to acquire have been scooped up. There's certainly very little left in the bargain basement bin.

[benefactor]

They will dump him for tax relief.

[mexicanjunior]

From Twitter:

@WojYahooNBA (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Spurs still trying to trade Roger Mason but nothing imminent, source says. As for Richard Jefferson, forget it. They tried. No shot.

No sense in giving Mason away for nothing now...

[VBM]

Jordan putting in work in Charlotte...

[SenorSpur]

Thomas will be in LB's doghouse even before he steps off the plane. LB will likely want to get rid of Thomas again over the summer.

[EricB]

Chandler
Thomas
Wallace
Jackson
Felton


Good starting five there...

[SenorSpur]

Seeing it in print is even more of a crotch kick:

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/11838893/1?mcctag=Trade%20Deadline%20Buzz

With hours to go before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET deadline, here's some of the latest buzz:

The Bobcats, determined to add an athletic big man to their front court, have agreed to acquire Tyrus Thomas in a deal with the Bulls that would send Acie Law, Flip Murray, and a future No. 1 pick to Chicago, a person with knowledge of the situation told CBSSports.com.

Charlotte beat out several other suitors -- New York, Denver, and San Antonio chief among them -- and will have the rest of the season to evaluate the soon-to-be restricted free agent and decide whether to commit to Thomas long-term. Trading Thomas spares the Bulls the embarrassment of losing one of their best players through free agency with no compensation for the second year in a row.

The Bobcats were able to circumvent discussions between the Knicks and Bulls involving a swap centered around Al Harrington. The Bulls, who already have dealt John Salmons to Milwaukee for the expiring contracts of Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander, took another step toward freeing up cap room for a free-agent spending spree on July 1. Chicago is off the hook for Salmons' $5.8 million next season and also avoids Thomas' $6.3 million qualifying offer. If they make no further moves by the deadline, Chicago will have cleared $17 million in cap space for '10-'11 -- enough to add one max free agent to pair with All-Star point guard Derrick Rose -- without giving up any draft picks.

[rjv]

still a chance we get someone's 2nd rnd pick this summer!!!

[Mel_13]

Chicago played their hand very well.

Unable to find a partner willing to give up expiring contracts and a first rounder for Thomas/Salmons they split them and found buyers for the separate pieces. Nice job by their GM.

Of course, he was only in this predicament because he traded LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas back in 2006.

[EricB]

Chicago played their hand very well.

Unable to find a partner willing to give up expiring contracts and a first rounder for Thomas/Salmons they split them and found buyers for the separate pieces. Nice job by their GM.

Of course, he was only in this predicament because he traded LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas back in 2006.


Dub it wasn't the bulls decision it was the spurs clearly passing on him. Get with the program Mel :lol

[panic giraffe]

official, dude going to the bobcats

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuG5zjJfh.cCT9IPsFyhuYe8vLYF?slug=ys-thomasbobcats021810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[ElNono]

I guess we can lock and archive this shit... :td

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

dang it! Nuggets FO was confident this morning that they were going to land Ty. Screw you Bulls! :bang

[TJastal]

IMO, those are bad trades. You're welcome to an opposing opinion, but those trades both have very certain costs and very uncertain benefits.

Here's your "uncertain benefits"

Tyrus Thomas: 11pts/9reb/6blocks in 25 minutes of work
John Salmons: 19pts and game winner

[benefactor]

I was thinking about bumping this thread. Cue TPark with his "the front office tried but got beat out by better offers" BS.

[ChumpDumper]

They're not taking on any more salary for next year until they decide what to do with Manu.

[benefactor]

Salmons 5.8 million shouldn't affect that decision all that much. They would pay that to other players they would either re-sign or sign as free agents. They still would have had plenty of options financially.

[ChumpDumper]

Salmons 5.8 million shouldn't affect that decision all that much. They would pay that to other players they would either re-sign or sign as free agents. They still would have had plenty of options financially.Having those deals on the books could potentially make it impossible to sign Manu and Splitter without going over the tax threshold. I think they prefer to keep that option.

[TMTTRIO]

At this point I think Manu's gone anyways somewhere else.

[ChumpDumper]

At this point I think Manu's gone anyways somewhere else.They probably should have traded him then.

[benefactor]

Having those deals on the books could potentially make it impossible to sign Manu and Splitter without going over the tax threshold. I think they prefer to keep that option.
They are not stuck with Thomas. If Splitter agrees to come it's as easy as not making the QO. Again, with Salmons they are pretty much guaranteeing a rotation player instead of hunting for one with the same amount of money.

[TJastal]

Having those deals on the books could potentially make it impossible to sign Manu and Splitter without going over the tax threshold. I think they prefer to keep that option.

Oh yes, I forgot... this year's chance was sacrificed for the legendary Splitter who we all know is coming next year (him and Pop made a secret deal you see).

[ChumpDumper]

They are not stuck with Thomas. If Splitter agrees to come it's as easy as not making the QO. Again, with Salmons they are pretty much guaranteeing a rotation player instead of hunting for one with the same amount of money.So let Thomas walk for nothing and force yourself to replace Manu with Salmons?

No need to talk about this anymore. I never really bought the rumor in the first place and now that I've looked at all the ramifications, I won't ever believe it was serious.

[rascal]

At this point I think Manu's gone anyways somewhere else.

Manu will not be gone. The spurs will re-sign him.

[rascal]

They probably should have traded him then.

yes they should have traded him but not because he will be gone but because his game will be on the rapid decline and will not translate in what they will be paying him.

A core of an aging Duncan, Manu and a return to top form Parker next year will not be enough to win anymore.

[benefactor]

So let Thomas walk for nothing and force yourself to replace Manu with Salmons?

No need to talk about this anymore.
No...the Spurs are going to have to sign other players besides Manu. After re-signing him they will only have 8 players under contract. Acquiring Salmons helps with this.

Thomas becomes a wild card. If he plays really well it looks like Splitter is waffling and doesn't want to come the QO can be tendered. If he looks inconsistent and/or Splitter is on the way they don't have to. Like I said...options.

[The Truth #6]

I agree the Spurs don't want to spend anymore money at this point. The only rebuilding for the moment is Holt's bank account to stop some of the bleeding.

[ChumpDumper]

No...the Spurs are going to have to sign other players besides Manu. After re-signing him they will only have 8 players under contract. Acquiring Salmons helps with this.It only helps in that it locks them into a replacement for Manu.


Thomas becomes a wild card. If he plays really well it looks like Splitter is waffling and doesn't want to come the QO can be tendered. If he looks inconsistent and/or Splitter is on the way they don't have to. Like I said...options.Like I said, they want more options than that. Options that include Manu.

[benefactor]

The ramifications are more than you are making them out to be.

[ChumpDumper]

The ramifications are more than you are making them out to be.When I consider the financial landscape of the coming seasons, I am probably understating the ramifications.

[benefactor]

It only helps in that it locks them into a replacement for Manu.

Like I said, they want more options than that. Options that include Manu.
Ok...we re-sign Manu. How do you suggest we acquire other new players? Have the Spurs suddenly become some sort of desirable free agent destination overnight?

[ChumpDumper]

Ok...we re-sign Manu. How do you suggest we acquire other new players? Have the Spurs suddenly become some sort of desirable free agent destination overnight?Not at all, but Manu is more of a cash cow for this team than Salmons ever could be. If there is a priority this summer, it's keeping him or getting someone who can replace him on the court as well as the bottom line.

I can completely see the Spurs' signing Manu, Splitter and a bunch of draft picks and minimum players to stay as close to the tax threshold as possible. They will be in a better position to trade Jefferson and maybe even Parker after all the cap and tax numbers are known.

Not as exciting as many would want it to be, but realistic given the financial situation of the Spurs and the NBA.

[benefactor]

That's throwing in chips on an awful lot of minimum vets/draft picks. Signing Manu and Splitter only gets to roster to 9 players...and that is if Hairston works out and can contribute.

Salmons would almost certainly wind up a rotation player and the financial risk is fairly low...that is...compared to other recent financial risks the Spurs have decided to take.

[TJastal]

Not at all, but Manu is more of a cash cow for this team than Salmons ever could be. If there is a priority this summer, it's keeping him or getting someone who can replace him on the court as well as the bottom line.

I can completely see the Spurs' signing Manu, Splitter and a bunch of draft picks and minimum players to stay as close to the tax threshold as possible. They will be in a better position to trade Jefferson and maybe even Parker after all the cap and tax numbers are known.

Not as exciting as many would want it to be, but realistic given the financial situation of the Spurs and the NBA.

You erroneously assume Manu is going to want to stick around on a team that doesn't want to take any risks to win a championship. He's almost certainly going to want to finish his career somewhere else rather than finish his career dying a slow death with Popovich and his small ball lineups.

[ChumpDumper]

That's throwing in chips on an awful lot of minimum vets/draft picks. Signing Manu and Splitter only gets to roster to 9 players...and that is if Hairston works out and can contribute.Yep, I think that's pretty much the plan initially. Not sexy, but there it is. As I said, there is the potential for trades after the numbers are known.


Salmons would almost certainly wind up a rotation player and the financial risk is fairly low...that is...compared to other recent financial risks the Spurs have decided to take.He's not Manu. Losing him in a down year isn't a great idea, moneywise. I think he'd be a fair replacement for Manu on the court, but that isn't the only thing to take into consideration here.

[ChumpDumper]

You erroneously assume Manu is going to want to stick around on a team that doesn't want to take any risks to win a championship. He's almost certainly going to want to finish his career somewhere else rather than finish his career dying a slow death with Popovich and his small ball lineups.Great, he can get more money if he participates in a sign and trade.

Like I said, it may have been a smarter move to trade him this season - but really only from a basketball standpoint. I can understand why they didn't.

[benefactor]

If that is the plan the Spurs are better off just not signing Manu and blowing the whole thing up. The Spurs can't contend with that type of plan.

[ChumpDumper]

If that is the plan the Spurs are better off just not signing Manu and blowing the whole thing up. The Spurs can't contend with that type of plan.OK, that is also an option. It's just as easy to say they wouldn't compete with Thomas and Salmons either if we want to continue to cling to the rumor as gospel truth.

[benefactor]

Your probably right...but it at least gives them a rotation wing and an athletic front line player going forwards.

[ChumpDumper]

Your probably right...but it at least gives them a rotation wing and an athletic front line player going forwards.Deckchairs on he Titanic. If Pop can't do anything with Jefferson, he'll be the big chip next season if there are teams scrambling to cut future obligations.

[benefactor]

I'm just trying to keep with the FO's "all in" mantra. :)

[ChumpDumper]

That's over. It was a failure. Now it's about trying to make some of that money back.

[TJastal]

Great, he can get more money if he participates in a sign and trade.

Like I said, it may have been a smarter move to trade him this season - but really only from a basketball standpoint. I can understand why they didn't.

Spurs have approx 21.5 million in expiring contracts this year. That's 21.5 million they will have to divvy up next year. That's enough.

Thomas and Salmons eat up 12m of that, which leaves 9m for Manu and possibly RMJ to split. With Thomas, the spurs don't need Splitter.

Standing pat has now guaranteed they will have no shot at even making a deep playoff run this year as well as losing Manu and probably Mason too.

At least we'll still have Bonner, Finley and Bogans to resign though!! :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs have approx 21.5 million in expiring contracts this year. That's 21.5 million they will have to divvy up next year.That is quite an assumption. I would probably consider half of that to be a more realistic estimate.

[TJastal]

That is quite an assumption. I would probably consider half of that to be a more realistic estimate.

According to Hoopshype salaries

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

These guys all have expiring salaries.

Emanuel Ginobili $10,725,000
Roger Mason $3,780,000
Matt Bonner $3,240,380
Michael Finley $2,500,000
Ian Mahinmi $1,079,640
Keith Bogans $1,033,342

= 22,358,362

[ChumpDumper]

According to Hoopshype salaries

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

These guys all have expiring salaries.

Emanuel Ginobili $10,725,000
Roger Mason $3,780,000
Matt Bonner $3,240,380
Michael Finley $2,500,000
Ian Mahinmi $1,079,640
Keith Bogans $1,033,342

= 22,358,362Is there some new bylaw stating that teams must spend the same amount every season?

Please post a link to it.

[TJastal]

Is there some new bylaw stating that teams must spend the same amount every season?

Please post a link to it.

Please STFU now. Thanks.

[ChumpDumper]

Please STFU now. Thanks.I take it there is no such new bylaw. Let us assume there has been no change to the CBA that you claimed and the Spurs next season can spend more, less or the same as this season.

Tell me, after this season with its salary dump, and given the financial climate facing the NBA as a whole and the Spurs in particular, is your prediction the Spurs next season will spend:

a) More than this season.

b) The same as this season.

c) Less than this season.

Thanks in advance for answering.

[TJastal]

I take it there is no such new bylaw. Let us assume there has been no change to the CBA that you claimed and the Spurs next season can spend more, less or the same as this season.

Tell me, after this season with its salary dump, and given the financial climate facing the NBA as a whole and the Spurs in particular, is your prediction the Spurs next season will spend:

a) More than this season.

b) The same as this season.

c) Less than this season.

Thanks in advance for answering.

Oh goodie. Another retarded Q&A from Chumpdumper :rolleyes

I'll indulge you this time, however. Be aware that your answer would depend on the year's success.

Which means if the spurs' new hypothetical acquisitions do well and help them make a deep playoff run I'd say the answer would be (B), given that Duncan and Ginobili are still playing at a high level and Parker would be expected to be healthy (this would have been before his announcment to play this summer). If they helped the spurs win a :lobt: I would think even (A) would be within the realm of possibility.

/a cynical your welcome.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh goodie. Another retarded Q&A from Chumpdumper :rolleyes

I'll indulge you this time, however. Be aware that your answer would depend on the year's success.

Which means if the spurs' new hypothetical acquisitions do well and help them make a deep playoff run I'd say the answer would be (B), given that Duncan and Ginobili are still playing at a high level and Parker would be expected to be healthy (this would have been before his announcment to play this summer). If they helped the spurs win a :lobt: I would think even (A) would be within the realm of possibility.

/a cynical your welcome.Judging from your other posts about the current state of the team, it's safe to say you are being disingenuous about the Spurs' chances of winning an NBA championship this season.

I wouldn't expect anything else from you at this point.

I will go ahead and make the apparently bold (to you) prediction that the Spurs will not win a championship this season and spend less than this season regardless of the outcome.

Feel free to tell us all why you feel the Spurs will win it all this year and spend the same or more next season.

[Dro210]

You can make all the excuses for the franchise that you want, but adding Thomas and Salmons would have been a HUGE upgrade to this team, and would have kept them in contention THIS year, and would still have them in line to contend next year.... and I don't buy for one second that it couldn't have gotten done.

I could care less if Manu comes back. I don't care how many jerseys he sells, fuck that. If he can't perform up to what he's being payed, or take a pay cut accordingly, adios. We're supposed to be about winning, not penny pinching. If that's the case, then we had a good run, but it's time to move along Holt, you're done here.

They failed a little bit, paniced, and bailed out.... on everybody

[ChumpDumper]

You can make all the excuses for the franchise that you want, but adding Thomas and Salmons would have been a HUGE upgrade to this team, and would have kept them in contention THIS year, and would still have them in line to contend next year.

I could care less if Manu comes back. I don't care how many jerseys he sells, fuck that. If he can't perform up to what he's being payed, or take a pay cut accordingly, adios. We're supposed to be about winning, not penny pinching. If that's the case, then we had a good run, but it's time to move along Holt, you're done here.

They failed a little bit, paniced, and bailed out.... on everybodyThey failed more than a little bit. Now they just want to recoup some losses. It's easy to demand they double down at this point, but it's also kind of dumb.

[TJastal]

Judging from your other posts about the current state of the team, it's safe to say you are being disingenuous about the Spurs' chances of winning an NBA championship this season.

I wouldn't expect anything else from you at this point.

I will go ahead and make the apparently bold (to you) prediction that the Spurs will not win a championship this season and spend less than this season regardless of the outcome.

Feel free to tell us all why you feel the Spurs will win it all this year and spend the same or more next season.

Did you really just forget the whole argument I was making was based on a hypothetical trade? Are you that scatterbrained?

I repeat for the mentally challenged: As it stands now, the spurs don't have a legit shot at a title, especially after resting on their laurels and making little effort to improve the roster as it stands with a trade.



I'm not sure why your

[StoneBuddha]

You can make all the excuses for the franchise that you want, but adding Thomas and Salmons would have been a HUGE upgrade to this team, and would have kept them in contention THIS year, and would still have them in line to contend next year.... and I don't buy for one second that it couldn't have gotten done.


+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everytime I see Bogans brick up another shot, I envision Salmons in his place. And every time I saw Brand abusing Bonnor, I thought of Thomas guarding him instead. Now we are going to just ride this one out...

[ChumpDumper]

Did you really just forget the whole argument I was making was based on a hypothetical trade? Are you that scatterbrained?

I repeat for the mentally challenged: As it stands now, the spurs don't have a legit shot at a title, especially after resting on their laurels and making little effort to improve the roster as it stands with a trade.



I'm not sure why yourI believe it is you who can't follow the thread.

I'm talking about what will happen now for the actual Spurs, not some stupid hypothetical fantasy world in which Thomas and Salmons help the Spurs win a championship.

Quit deluding yourself and get real for once.

[TJastal]

I believe it is you who can't follow the thread.

I'm talking about what will happen now for the actual Spurs, not some stupid hypothetical fantasy world in which Thomas and Salmons help the Spurs win a championship.

Quit deluding yourself and get real for once.

Well goodie we're all in awe of your "realness" but this is the wrong thread for that, maybe you should go post your doom and gloom in a more appropriate thread.

[ChumpDumper]

Reality is why the fantasy trade didn't happen in the first place.

Why do you insist on pleasuring yourself to boxscore lines of players who are not and never will be Spurs?

You can pat yourself on the back for being the bestest armchair coah/GM/owner on the internets only so long.

[ChumpDumper]

Well goodie we're all in awe of your "realness" but this is the wrong thread for that, maybe you should go post your doom and gloom in a more appropriate thread.Right. This is now the lube-and-tissue alternate timeline thread.

Carry on.

[TJastal]

Reality is why the fantasy trade didn't happen in the first place.

Why do you insist on pleasuring yourself to boxscore lines of players who are not and never will be Spurs?

You can pat yourself on the back for being the bestest armchair coah/GM/owner on the internets only so long.

Says the guy who lives to watch the Austin Toros. Pot calling kettle...

[ChumpDumper]

Says the guy who lives to watch the Austin Toros. Pot calling kettle...Hairston already is a Spur. One or two players might be Spurs some time in the future.

And it's in town.

I certainly don't gnash my teeth and cry like you if your favorites do not become Spurs, nor do I create an alternative reality in which they are Spurs after the possibility is gone.

[TJastal]

Hairston already is a Spur. One or two players might be Spurs some time in the future.

And it's in town.

I certainly don't gnash my teeth and cry like you if they do not become Spurs.

Well of course you don't. You're a registered Pop-alogist who applauds anything the F.O. does.

[ChumpDumper]

Well of course you don't. You're a registered Pop-alogist who applauds anything the F.O. does.Wrong again.

I'm all for cleaning house at this point, and I think it might actually happen after this season.

[TJastal]

Wrong again.

I'm all for cleaning house at this point.

Starting with Popovich?

[ChumpDumper]

Starting with Popovich?What part of cleaning house do you not understand, Einstein?

[Dro210]

They failed more than a little bit. Now they just want to recoup some losses. It's easy to demand they double down at this point, but it's also kind of dumb.

Way to nit pick the post...... It doesn't matter if they failed the ultimate fail... If it doesn't hurt the team from a basketball standpoint (horrible contracts, losing draft picks/young players), I, and anybody as a fan, shouldn't care about Holt having to spend money. Especially since he's been stingy his whole fuckin stint here. He doesn't get any sympathy.

Dumb is what they've already done. They went half way, got scared, and turned back. Now nobody wins... anything. Everybody feels like shit, and they still lose money.

[TJastal]

What part of cleaning house do you not understand, Einstein?

Hey, no need to be a dick. I just asked a simple question for verification. I think at this point I might have to agree with you that blowing up the entire works and starting over is quickly becoming the reality the spurs face.

But I don't get why you're butthurt that spurs fans want to explore the "what ifs" and "what might have beens" ...

[ChumpDumper]

Way to nit pick the post...... It doesn't matter if they failed the ultimate fail... If it doesn't hurt the team from a basketball standpoint (horrible contracts, losing draft picks/young players), I, and anybody as a fan, shouldn't care about Holt having to spend money. Especially since he's been stingy his whole fuckin stint here. He doesn't get any sympathy.It's nice to pretend that money doesn't matter, isn't it? It works in every situation for you in life.


Dumb is what they've already done. They went half way, got scared, and turned back. Now nobody wins... anything. Everybody feels like shit, and they still lose money.I'm sure the Spurs' priority is to make you feel better.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, no need to be a dick. I just asked a simple question for verification. I think at this point I might have to agree with you that blowing up the entire works and starting over is quickly becoming the reality the spurs face.I think the clock is ticking toward the end of the season.

But I don't get why you're butthurt that spurs fans want to explore the "what ifs" and "what might have beens" ...You're a fantastic alternate reality head coach/gm/owner.

Congratulations.

I can't wait to see that next boxscore line!

[Dro210]

It's nice to pretend that money doesn't matter, isn't it? It works in every situation for you in life.

I'm sure the Spurs' priority is to make you feel better.


Sorry, I'm not a multi,multi millionaire.... but if I was, and I owned the Spurs, I can guarantee you I'd do my job and do whatever it takes to put the best team on the floor. The object of an NBA franchise is to win championships, not see who be the most frugal and save the most money, yay! and gee golly, maybe, hopefully we could win a couple games while we're at it.

And I wasn't talkin about just me genius. You think Pop feels good right now? Timmy? RC? Holt? David Robinson? Anybody that's a Spurs fan?... Didn't think so. I would think keeping the combination of all those people as happy as possible should be a major priority.

[TJastal]

You're a fantastic alternate reality head coach/gm/owner.

Congratulations.

I can't wait to see that next boxscore line!

There are hundreds of speculation threads.. err... "alternate reality" threads and posts littering the forum, but I'm glad you've singled me out for greatness. :toast

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, I'm not a multi,multi millionaire.... but if I was, and I owned the Spurs, I can guarantee you I'd do my job and do whatever it takes to put the best team on the floor. The object of an NBA franchise is to win championships, not see who be the most frugal and save the most money, yay! and gee golly, maybe, hopefully we could win a couple games while we're at it.Again, it's nice to pretend that but make no mistake: owners want to make money. They'll spend like idiots every once in awhile, but if they are in it for the long haul money is the primary concern. If you haven't noticed this about the Spurs' ownership by now, I don't know what to tell you.


And I wasn't talkin about just me genius. You think Pop feels good right now? Timmy? RC? Holt? David Robinson? Anybody that's a Spurs fan?... Didn't think so. I would think keeping the combination of all those people as happy as possible should be a major priority.Turns out you were talking about yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

There are hundreds of speculation threads.. err... "alternate reality" threads and posts littering the forum, but I'm glad you've singled me out for greatness. :toastYeah, I'm glad you haven't figured out what sarcasm is yet. :toast

[Dro210]

Again, it's nice to pretend that but make no mistake: owners want to make money. They'll spend like idiots every once in awhile, but if they are in it for the long haul money is the primary concern. If you haven't noticed this about the Spurs' ownership by now, I don't know what to tell you.

That's fine, but now wasn't the time for that. We could have made money and pinched pennies again when Tim is gone and we have nothing left. This was supposed to be, as well it should be, balls to the wall time.

Do you not agree it's fucked up to supposedly "go all in", and then back out half way through the 1st season of it? Is it not the worst thing they could have done? Obviously the results of Plan A aren't what they wanted right now, but they gave up too hard and too fast.

It's not like we're the Lakers. I don't feel comfortable saying, oh well, this dynasty is over, time to start the next one. We got lucky, twice. I don't expect it to happen again anytime soon, if at all. Gotta get everything you can out of it.


Turns out you were talking about yourself.

as indicated by "I wasn't JUST talking about myself"

[ChumpDumper]

That's fine, but now wasn't the time for that. We could have made money and pinched pennies again when Tim is gone and we have nothing left. This was supposed to be, as well it should be, balls to the wall time.I think the possible 5% drop in revenues in the NBA and its effect on the cap and tax thresholds have ended that, almost regardless of this year's performance.


Do you not agree it's fucked up to supposedly "go all in", and then back out half way through the 1st season of it? Is it not the worst thing they could have done? Obviously the results of Plan A aren't what they wanted right now, but they gave up too hard and too fast.From a basketball standpoint it does suck. From a business standpoint, it's very reasonable.


It's not like we're the Lakers. I don't feel comfortable saying, oh well, this dynasty is over, time to start the next one. We got lucky, twice, I don't expect it to happen again anytime soon, if at all. Gotta get everything you can out of it.We are definitely not like the Lakers. There isn't that kind of money available to the team.

[TJastal]

Holt should just fire Popovich now and start the rebuilding early.

[Dro210]

lol... Holt should sell the team to somebody with some real money

Why isn't Bill Gates from San Antonio and a die hard sports fan? He could absorb a few million on the reg.

[ChumpDumper]

Holt should sell the team to somebody with some real moneyAnyone with real money would probably move the team.

[TJastal]

Boy, Tyrus Thomas sure looked dumb blocking all those shots and grabbing all those rebounds and scoring those points against Lebron's cavs last night. Thankfully the spurs avoided that bball IQ challenged player.

We got Splitter coming in next year, he'll show that dumbell Tyrus a thing or two!!!!

:lmao

[Spurs da champs]

Tyrus can guard those x factors, Odom killed us without kobe & bynum.

[SenorSpur]

Boy, Tyrus Thomas sure looked dumb blocking all those shots and grabbing all those rebounds and scoring those points against Lebron's cavs last night. Thankfully the spurs avoided that bball IQ challenged player.

We got Splitter coming in next year, he'll show that dumbell Tyrus a thing or two!!!!

:lmao

Acquiring a player of Thomas' skill set was so important for this team. A team that has so little shotblocking ability and virtually no bigs capable of defending the quick "4s" in the league.

The FO made a big mistake in NOT getting this trade done. If it's not already obvious, it should be.

[rascal]

Again, it's nice to pretend that but make no mistake: owners want to make money. They'll spend like idiots every once in awhile, but if they are in it for the long haul money is the primary concern. If you haven't noticed this about the Spurs' ownership by now, I don't know what to tell you.

Turns out you were talking about yourself.

If the top priority for owners is to make money then there are better ways to invest their money then on an NBA team. Making money is not the top priority.

[rascal]

You can make all the excuses for the franchise that you want, but adding Thomas and Salmons would have been a HUGE upgrade to this team, and would have kept them in contention THIS year, and would still have them in line to contend next year.... and I don't buy for one second that it couldn't have gotten done.

I could care less if Manu comes back. I don't care how many jerseys he sells, fuck that. If he can't perform up to what he's being payed, or take a pay cut accordingly, adios. We're supposed to be about winning, not penny pinching. If that's the case, then we had a good run, but it's time to move along Holt, you're done here.

They failed a little bit, paniced, and bailed out.... on everybody

Agree. Good post. Over paying for manu will finish this team in the Duncan era because they will tighten the spending and go back to tight, conservative moves after last summers moves.


The front office failed to make any type of roster upgrade at the trade deadline and there are no excuses for it.

[ChumpDumper]

If the top priority for owners is to make money then there are better ways to invest their money then on an NBA team. Making money is not the top priority.Sure it is. This particular group just wanted to find a way to make money in San Antonio.

They are not in the business to lose money, that's for sure.

[TJastal]

Sure it is. This particular group just wanted to find a way to make money in San Antonio.

They are not in the business to lose money, that's for sure.

I'll be they're going to start losing ALOT of money next season when ticket sales start dropping like a brick as people get fed up watching the broken record of small ball losing leads and the Finley/Bogans/Bonner circle jerk losing games.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll be they're going to start losing ALOT of money next season when ticket sales start dropping like a brick as people get fed up watching the broken record of small ball losing leads and the Finley/Bogans/Bonner circle jerk losing games.If they lose enough money, they'll sell and the Spurs will move.

Pretty simple.

[dbestpro]

If they lose enough money, they'll sell and the Spurs will move.

Pretty simple.

Where, Seattle? Kansas City? Louisville? There ain't no more money there than can be had here with a losing team. 40% of the current franchises are losing money. Plain and simple if you don't win you don't make money in this league.

[ChumpDumper]

Where, Seattle? Kansas City? Louisville?Wherever a new owner wants.
There ain't no more money there than can be had here with a losing team.Yeah, that's why losing teams never move anywhere. :rolleyes
40% of the current franchises are losing money. Plain and simple if you don't win you don't make money in this league.You can definitely make money in this league if you don't win. That has been proved many times over. It's just more difficult to do that in a place like San Antonio -- which is why a new owner might move it.

[TJastal]

Wherever a new owner wants.Yeah, that's why losing teams never move anywhere. :rolleyesYou can definitely make money in this league if you don't win. That has been proved many times over. It's just more difficult to do that in a place like San Antonio -- which is why a new owner might move it.

You act like it's just a snap of the fingers to move a franchise to a new city. Not so. You got to get a vote of approval from the owners first, you may have arena lease agreements to honor then you got relocation fees (Seattle to Oklahoma City was 30 million), you'll probably get death threats by rabid fans, etc.

[ChumpDumper]

You act like it's just a snap of the fingers to move a franchise to a new city.No more than you act like fantasy trades are real.
Not so. You got to get a vote of approval from the owners first, you may have arena lease agreements to honor then you got relocation fees (Seattle to Oklahoma City was 30 million), you'll probably get death threats by rabid fans, etc.And yet, it did happen to the Sonics.

[Mr. Body]

Where, Seattle? Kansas City? Louisville? There ain't no more money there than can be had here with a losing team. 40% of the current franchises are losing money. Plain and simple if you don't win you don't make money in this league.

Wow, I can really imagine the Spurs in Seattle. Makes a sick kind of sense.

[exstatic]

Wow, I can really imagine the Spurs in Seattle. Makes a sick kind of sense.

All of the Pop worries of the forum would be over. No team? No coach to bitch about. In fact, probably no forum, either.

[exstatic]

No more than you act like fantasy trades are real.And yet, it did happen to the Sonics.

And the Girzzlies, and the Hornets.

No. Teams never move...

There's been more team movement in the last 5-10 years than in the 20 before.

[rascal]

St. Louis Spurs

[suitedkings]

Wow, I can really imagine the Spurs in Seattle. Makes a sick kind of sense.


Wouldnt be a bad thing for me. I live in Seattle.

[LakerHater]

close this damn thread already!

[SenorSpur]

From ESPN Rumor Central

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors#14607

Thomas staying with Bobcats?

Tyrus Thomas may not have worked out well with the Bulls, but he's been an instant contributor to Charlotte's defense, one of the best in the league.

It's a small sample size, but here's a stat from Tom Haberstroh of Hoopsdata.com: "Opponents have shot 33-for-65 (50.7 percent) at the rim vs. the Bobcats since Ty Thomas and Theo Ratliff arrived. The NBA average is 60.5 percent."

Larry Brown also has a reputation of wrangling in guys like Thomas and making something of them, so he could be a good fit going forward for the team.

So with Thomas a restricted free agent this summer, are the Bobcats angling to bring him back? Or will Thomas find himself with a new team come next season?

ESPN's Chad Ford touches on this in his chat today.


Chad Ford
If Thomas keeps it up, it's worth bringing him back

"The Bobcats might bring him back. I watched the Bobcats play twice since landing Thomas. He looks great. We'll see if he can keep it up. But he's a HUGE talent. If Larry Brown can get through to him, it would be worth keeping him on the roster for another year to see if he develops. The only thing holding Tyrus back is Tyrus. If he can get a little more maturity, the Bobcats trade of a future first for Thomas may be the deal of the deadline. However, don't hate the Bulls for what they did. He needed a change of scenery. He was going nowhere in Chicago."

[MaNu4Tres]

From ESPN Rumor Central

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors#14607

Thomas staying with Bobcats?

Tyrus Thomas may not have worked out well with the Bulls, but he's been an instant contributor to Charlotte's defense, one of the best in the league.

It's a small sample size, but here's a stat from Tom Haberstroh of Hoopsdata.com: "Opponents have shot 33-for-65 (50.7 percent) at the rim vs. the Bobcats since Ty Thomas and Theo Ratliff arrived. The NBA average is 60.5 percent."

Larry Brown also has a reputation of wrangling in guys like Thomas and making something of them, so he could be a good fit going forward for the team.

So with Thomas a restricted free agent this summer, are the Bobcats angling to bring him back? Or will Thomas find himself with a new team come next season?

ESPN's Chad Ford touches on this in his chat today.


Chad Ford
If Thomas keeps it up, it's worth bringing him back

"The Bobcats might bring him back. I watched the Bobcats play twice since landing Thomas. He looks great. We'll see if he can keep it up. But he's a HUGE talent. If Larry Brown can get through to him, it would be worth keeping him on the roster for another year to see if he develops. The only thing holding Tyrus back is Tyrus. If he can get a little more maturity, the Bobcats trade of a future first for Thomas may be the deal of the deadline. However, don't hate the Bulls for what they did. He needed a change of scenery. He was going nowhere in Chicago."



Isn't Tryus a headcase?

Isn't Ratliff too old?

How can this be?

[Blackjack]

In fairness, his performance is nothing if not expected. In fact, it was one of the most attractive things about him as it pertains to this year: he's out of guaranteed money.

So I expect to see nothing but the best from Tyrus, on and off the court, for the remainder of this year with Charlotte and for his team to reap the rewards; whether that translates next year and beyond remains to be seen.

I wish it would have been discovered in a Spurs jersey, though. :depressed

[FeZZy]

uh trade deadline is over..

[TJastal]

From ESPN Rumor Central

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors#14607

Thomas staying with Bobcats?

Tyrus Thomas may not have worked out well with the Bulls, but he's been an instant contributor to Charlotte's defense, one of the best in the league.

It's a small sample size, but here's a stat from Tom Haberstroh of Hoopsdata.com: "Opponents have shot 33-for-65 (50.7 percent) at the rim vs. the Bobcats since Ty Thomas and Theo Ratliff arrived. The NBA average is 60.5 percent."

Larry Brown also has a reputation of wrangling in guys like Thomas and making something of them, so he could be a good fit going forward for the team.

So with Thomas a restricted free agent this summer, are the Bobcats angling to bring him back? Or will Thomas find himself with a new team come next season?

ESPN's Chad Ford touches on this in his chat today.


Chad Ford
If Thomas keeps it up, it's worth bringing him back

"The Bobcats might bring him back. I watched the Bobcats play twice since landing Thomas. He looks great. We'll see if he can keep it up. But he's a HUGE talent. If Larry Brown can get through to him, it would be worth keeping him on the roster for another year to see if he develops. The only thing holding Tyrus back is Tyrus. If he can get a little more maturity, the Bobcats trade of a future first for Thomas may be the deal of the deadline. However, don't hate the Bulls for what they did. He needed a change of scenery. He was going nowhere in Chicago."

Nice find, Senorspur. I'm sure the TT haters would just love to find an explanation for the opposing teams FG% taking a nosedive that somehow involves Tyrus Thomas' "low basketball IQ". Good luck with that one, jackasses.

And to think that if the spurs had played their cards right and if Pop actually stopped playing small-ball all the time, Timmy would be playing alongside frontcourt partners Thomas, McDyess, Blair, and Ratliff which to me sounds like a winning formula.

[yavozerb]

Nice find, Senorspur. I'm sure the TT haters would just love to find an explanation for the opposing teams FG% taking a nosedive that somehow involves Tyrus Thomas' "low basketball IQ". Good luck with that one, jackasses.

And to think that if the spurs had played their cards right and if Pop actually stopped playing small-ball all the time, Timmy would be playing alongside frontcourt partners Thomas, McDyess, Blair, and Ratliff which to me sounds like a winning formula.

:lol...Guess Ford forgot to mention that out of the 3 games played by TT and ratliff 2 have been losses against the clips and bucks. No doubt these guys help out on the defensive end but what about offense?

[Agloco]

If the top priority for owners is to make money then there are better ways to invest their money then on an NBA team. Making money is not the top priority.

Business exists for one reason. In the context of owning said business (the Spurs in this case), the ownership is going to do everything they can to maximize their profit potential.

Arguing the finer points about which investment is better than the other is quite silly as you have no way of knowing what sort of comfort level the Spurs' investors have in the general market.

[TJastal]

:lol...Guess Ford forgot to mention that out of the 3 games played by TT and ratliff 2 have been losses against the clips and bucks. No doubt these guys help out on the defensive end but what about offense?

The losses haven't been because of those two. Bucks have been a tear with Bogut playing like a near all-star and also since Salmons came onboard.


Bogut said Salmons has been a great addition to the team. "He's been a proven scorer in the NBA and we know what he's capable of and that's why we traded for him," Bogut said. "He knows how to make plays, just look at the steal at the end of the game. That's really a four-point play and put the game away for us."

Clippers game Stephen Jackson went 1-16. Nuff said on that one. Both games the 'cats have been short their starting center too.

[rascal]

The spurs were likely scared off because of his attitude.

Last summer was the first time this front office went out and took some risks and it backfired. Look for them to go back to their conservative ways. We saw that this last trade deadline.

[TJastal]

Last night's Thomas line: 31 minutes: 6-8 fg, 8-9 ft, 3reb, 2ast, 3stl, 1blk, 20 pts

And Ratliff blocked 4 shots as well.

Makes me laugh to think folks on this site wanted the rickety older than dirt Marcus cotton Camby rather than take a chance on this guy.

Typical spursfan conservative flawed thinking that is getting this team nowhere in a hurry.

[mountainballer]

as far as I remember, more here liked the idea of getting TT, especially when it looked as if it is our most realistic option.
and less and less liked the option of getting Camby.
and I really can't remember that many here stated to take Camby INSTEAD of TT, if both deals are on the table.

you act as if 99% of the forum wanted Camby and you, the lonesome genius, always fought for TT, who 99% disliked. jeezzz.

[TJastal]

as far as I remember, more here liked the idea of getting TT, especially when it looked as if it is our most realistic option.
and less and less liked the option of getting Camby.
and I really can't remember that many here stated to take Camby INSTEAD of TT, if both deals are on the table.

you act as if 99% of the forum wanted Camby and you, the lonesome genius, always fought for TT, who 99% disliked. jeezzz.

That's a ridiculous assertion considering I didn't even start this thread. I haven't implied anything of the sort (that I was the one lone supporter). I would probably consider myself the most vociferous of the bunch, but certainly not the only one.

And there were plenty of Camby supporters, shall I look them up for you?

[yavozerb]

Last night's Thomas line: 31 minutes: 6-8 fg, 8-9 ft, 3reb, 2ast, 3stl, 1blk, 20 pts

And Ratliff blocked 4 shots as well.

Makes me laugh to think folks on this site wanted the rickety older than dirt Marcus cotton Camby rather than take a chance on this guy.

Typical spursfan conservative flawed thinking that is getting this team nowhere in a hurry.

3 rebounds and 1 block in 31 minutes..Most importantly 3 losses in 4 games now since acquiring TT and ratliff..:nope

[wildbill2u]

:chestbump
uh trade deadline is over..

Being curious, I just came on this thread to see what could possibly still being said about a trade that didn't happen or one that did. I guess some folks will track Thomasss points rebounds and blocks for the rest of his career.

I guess, like with Scola and Jax, some folks will be moaning over their favorite unmakeable deal or trade forever. You and I need to keep from getting sucked in to their madness. :bang

[Agloco]

Last night's Thomas line: 31 minutes: 6-8 fg, 8-9 ft, 3reb, 2ast, 3stl, 1blk, 20 pts

And Ratliff blocked 4 shots as well.

Makes me laugh to think folks on this site wanted the rickety older than dirt Marcus cotton Camby rather than take a chance on this guy.

Typical spursfan conservative flawed thinking that is getting this team nowhere in a hurry.

Because we wanted to bring him in for his offense right? 1 blk and 3 reb stand out to me. That's "Bonneresque", so to speak.....

Meanwhile Boozer went for 33 and 16 on 13-16 shooting. So much for that D :lol

Oh, and the Bobcats lost btw.

[TJastal]

3 rebounds and 1 block in 31 minutes..Most importantly 3 losses in 4 games now since acquiring TT and ratliff..:nope

The Bobcats haven't played well away from home all year long, I'm not sure what the deal is with that but that really has nothing to do with Thomas and Ratliff.

They're also missing their starting center, and Jackson is in a shooting slump. Without TT and Ratliff both protecting the rim I'm sure the bobcats would be instead getting blown out of these last few games.

[yavozerb]

:chestbump

Being curious, I just came on this thread to see what could possibly still being said about a trade that didn't happen or one that did. I guess some folks will track Thomasss points rebounds and blocks for the rest of his career.

I guess, like with Scola and Jax, some folks will be moaning over their favorite unmakeable deal or trade forever. You and I need to keep from getting sucked in to their madness. :bang

To late, thanks for posting...:lol

[TJastal]

Because we wanted to bring him in for his offense right? 1 blk and 3 reb stand out to me. That's "Bonneresque", so to speak.....

Meanwhile Boozer went for 33 and 16 on 13-16 shooting. So much for that D :lol

Oh, and the Bobcats lost btw.

LOL, I'd take that statline any day of the week and twice on Sundays from Bonner. 20 pts on 75% shooting, 8-9 from the line, 3 steals/1ast/1 block... hell yah I would.

And what's your point about Boozer? He's getting paid more than double Thomas' salary. (12M)

[TJastal]

Uh..

Diaw's +/- for the game was -23
Thomas +/- for the game was +9

Most likely the guy that Boozer was torching was Boris Diaw given that he is the bobcat's starter and his (+/-) stat reflects getting torched.

[Agloco]

LOL, I'd take that statline any day of the week and twice on Sundays from Bonner. 20 pts on 75% shooting, 8-9 from the line, 3 steals/1ast/1 block... hell yah I would.

And what's your point about Boozer? He's getting paid more than double Thomas' salary. (12M)


Uh..

Diaw's +/- for the game was -23
Thomas +/- for the game was +9

Most likely the guy that Boozer was torching was Boris Diaw given that he is the bobcat's starter and his (+/-) stat reflects getting torched.


Red - But you know you won't get that consistently.......from either player, so quit nuthugging. It's one game. Get back to me when he does something meaningful for a significant stretch of time.

Blue - My point? Perhaps you missed Boozers stat line....I'll repeat it: 33 and 16 on 13-16. That's a direct indictment on the interior D.

What does salary have to do with anything? So you expect the same problems when he goes against the Nowitskis, Stoudemires and the Garnetts of the world? Laughable since that's precisely why he would have been brought in: To contain those guys, not give up 33 and 16.

Purple - As you yourself write, you don't know. Talking out of your ass again. Oh, and LOL at the plus minus giving ANY indication as to what position the scoring was coming from at any given time.

[Dro210]

Yall can keep denying Thomas all you want, but the numbers don't lie.... 4 game averages since he got traded:

28 minutes per game
52.7% shooting
12.8 points
7.5 rebounds
3.5 blocks
1.5 steals
13-15 from the free throw line
and the stat about their defensive FG% at the rim being over 10% below the league average since he and Theo got there.


Bobcats have lost 3 of 4 for the reasons TJastal keeps saying. The Jazz are as hot as anybody right now, are a good team, were at home, Jack shoots 5-15. The Bobcats are having a good year, but let's not crown 'em just yet, that's not a game they're supposed to win.... Jack went 1-16 against the Clippers.... and the Bucks, another team playing well, got out to a big lead at halftime and barely hung on in a game that Charlotte's PGs combined to go 3-16. No Nazr. No Tyson... and their win wasn't a gimme or anything, it was a stomping of the best team in the league.

They've also been streaky like this all year.... Win 4, lose 3... this is like their 6-7th time this year to lose 3 in a row.

Basically, they're gonna play solid defense, and when they're on, they're a really good team... but they're still the Bobcats, and they're still gonna have some nights where they don't get it done. Especially when Jack is struggling, because they rely so heavily on him to carry a huge part of the scoring load EVERY night. To suggest that any of these 3 loses have been due to Tyrus or Theo tho is pretty ridiculous. Especially since Theo is seeing so many minutes because of the 2 guys ahead of him on the depth chart being out.


Also, this is kind of a seperate thing since Diaw was the one he was doing the most work on anyway, but... It's funny people always want to act like Boozer sucks. Boozer could be better, and he's nobody's fan favorite. I hate on the Dookie myself... but Boozer kills people on the reg. It's fact

[TJastal]

Red - But you know you won't get that consistently.......from either player, so quit nuthugging. It's one game. Get back to me when he does something meaningful for a significant stretch of time.

Blue - My point? Perhaps you missed Boozers stat line....I'll repeat it: 33 and 16 on 13-16. That's a direct indictment on the interior D.

What does salary have to do with anything? So you expect the same problems when he goes against the Nowitskis, Stoudemires and the Garnetts of the world? Laughable since that's precisely why he would have been brought in: To contain those guys, not give up 33 and 16.

Purple - As you yourself write, you don't know. Talking out of your ass again. Oh, and LOL at the plus minus giving ANY indication as to what position the scoring was coming from at any given time.

/facepalm

So you think Thomas was the culprit for Boozer going off in the 2nd half, even though he's not the starting PF and Diaw is, and he had by far the worst +/- of any bobcat for the game.

If that's your position, then there's really nothing I can argue that's gonna change your mind. You can go back to your shroom induced obsession with colors now..

[ohmwrecker]

While I disagree with letting go of Ratliff (because I think he could help us) for miniscule cap relief and a protected draft pick that is so far away that it is pointless to discuss, the FACT remains that the Bulls just simply did not want our garbage. That's it. Case closed. Move on, please.

[Agloco]

Yall can keep denying Thomas all you want, but the numbers don't lie.... 4 game averages since he got traded:

28 minutes per game
52.7% shooting
12.8 points
7.5 rebounds
3.5 blocks
1.5 steals
13-15 from the free throw line
and the stat about their defensive FG% at the rim being over 10% below the league average since he and Theo got there.



Ok. But make no mistake here, I'm in favor of TT. What I'm arguing is TJastal's attempt to pull any meaningful info out of a 4 game sample. That's silly.



/facepalm

So you think Thomas was the culprit for Boozer going off in the 2nd half, even though he's not the starting PF and Diaw is, and he had by far the worst +/- of any bobcat for the game.

If that's your position, then there's really nothing I can argue that's gonna change your mind. You can go back to your shroom induced obsession with colors now..

Red - Perhaps you need to re-examine the definition of plus-minus, or maybe the concept is just a bit out of your reach yet. The more trash you post, the more you confirm our suspicions. Learn what information that stat gives you (and more inmportantly what it doesn't....) then come back and discuss it on the same level as I do. Until then, there's really no point in going on about it.

Oh, and on a point of common sense: Do you think Larry Brown might have pulled Boris in favor of TT if he was getting lit up that badly? Hmmm.....

Orange - Shroom induced obsession in overdrive. Enjoy.

[Dro210]

Ok. But make no mistake here, I'm in favor of TT. What I'm arguing is TJastal's attempt to pull any meaningful info out of a 4 game sample. That's silly.

Ok..... but if you take his 23 minutes per game he was averaging in Chicago, and bump all the stats to reflect the 28 he's averaging in Charlotte... those numbers are almost identical. The more the guy gets to play, the more he's gonna perform. It's not gonna stop.

[Bartleby]

It's not gonna stop.



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