Spurs interested in Bulls' Thomas?

[SenorSpur]

Courtesy of CBSSports.com

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/19986881

• Tyrus Thomas isn’t as big a name as Stoudemire, but league sources agree he’s far more likely to be dealt by Feb. 18 – if not sooner. One person familiar with the situation said it would be surprising if the Thomas situation stretched into next week after his recent dustup with coach Vinny Del Negro over losing his starting job to rookie Taj Gibson. Sources say the Bulls would prefer to package Thomas in a bigger deal that would clear cap space for a major free agent signing -- such as a scenario detailed here involving the Celtics’ Ray Allen. Short of that, the Bulls would be eager to unload Thomas in a smaller deal that would bring back less significant assets that could be used to surround and entice a marquee free agent.

Two Western Conference teams intrigued by Thomas are the Nuggets, patiently seeking a big man to contend with the Lakers, and the Spurs, who were characterized by two rival executives as desperate to acquire an athletic big man. “They feel like they have to do something, like they’re behind the eight ball a little bit,” one of the execs said. The Spurs have a full complement of expiring contracts that would intrigue the Bulls, who want to avoid losing a significant player with no compensation (see Ben Gordon) for the second straight summer.

The Spurs, who dipped their toe across the luxury tax line this season, will have to decide before the end of their annual circus road trip – which continued Monday night against the Lakers – what they’re willing to give up to see that investment pay off.

[nkdlunch]

nobrainer at this point

[z0sa]

Annual CIRCUS road trip?

[Bruno]

Annual CIRCUS road trip?

He made this msitake because Bulls have a Circus road trip in November.

[Chomag]

I just posted this on another thread so I'll throw it in here.

Honestly, even if spurs did trade for Thomas I think Pop would just give him the Gooden treatment.

He would just sit on the bench watching Finley out there trying to do his job.:lol

[hater]

Annual CIRCUS road trip?

the Spurs are the CIRCUS

[ElNono]

Pop is just looking for Poker partner for Ian...

[stretch]

neat

if this goes down, spurs fans will talk about Tyrus Thomas being the next Kevin Garnett, the same way they compare any player that comes to the spurs to some all-time great

lol dejuan "wilt" blair

[galvatron3000]

Well, Mason could fill the void left by Gordon some if he can start hitting more. Looks like the Spurs have the upper hand here but I ain't holding my breath

[SenorSpur]

I just posted this on another thread so I'll throw it in here.

Honestly, even if spurs did trade for Thomas I think Pop would just give him the Gooden treatment.

He would just sit on the bench watching Finley out there trying to do his job.:lol

I thought I read a post where someone suggested a trade with the Bulls, for both Thomas and Salmons. That would be sweet.

[TheSpursFNRule]

Who cares at this point. Nothing is going to help unless we start playing well with the pieces we already have.

[MaNu4Tres]

I thought I read a post where someone suggested a trade with the Bulls, for both Thomas and Salmons. That would be sweet.


I'm starting to become a huge homer on the proposed Salmons/ Thomas deal.

It would help the team on both ends of the floor and make our team extremely versatile. It would be a significant upgrade and a change of such could just be what the Spurs need to compete with the top teams and give them a chance.


Parker 32-37 minutes
Salmons 25-30 minutes
Jefferson 28-33 minutes
Tim 33-38 minutes
McDyess 20-25 minutes

Manu 26-31 minutes
Hill 24-29 minutes
Blair 20-25 minutes
Thomas 18-23 minutes

Very solid 9 man rotation that consist of players that are anything but one dimensional. Our 48 minute attack would be efficient on both ends and would be more so of an "48 minutes of hell" for the opposition.

Bogans -DNP unless foul trouble or an injury
Ratliff- 10-15 minutes against LA or DNP's unless foul trouble or an injury
L. Hunter- DNP unless Hill injury or inactive list
Hairston- DNP unless foul trouble or injury or inactive list

What would the trade take now?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfs3dzr

A first round pick and or Splitter?

I think in order for Bulls to really consider it, the Spurs would have to throw in a 1st rounder and Splitter. Would you do it?

[TheProfessor]

“They feel like they have to do something, like they’re behind the eight ball a little bit,” one of the execs said.
Slight understatement.

[Libri]

the Spurs, who were characterized by two rival executives as desperate to acquire an athletic big manSo the Spurs are now in desperate mode. :madrun

[z0sa]

Pop and Thomas will be butting heads immediately should this go down.

[kobyz]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yl5m2t9

[LOL@MavsFan]

spurs need something...anything

[LOL@MavsFan]

neat

if this goes down, spurs fans will talk about Tyrus Thomas being the next Kevin Garnett, the same way they compare any player that comes to the spurs to some all-time great

lol dejuan "wilt" blair

LOL little toddlers on avatars
LOL Mavs
Blair>Marion

[8FOR!3]

I wouldn't throw in a first round pick, we're too good at drafting.

[SenorSpur]

I'm on board with you on this. Salmons and Thomas these players would represent significant roster upgrades at those positions. Besides the fact, that you jettison dead weight that is currently taking up roster space.

Thanks for posting - again.

[Bruno]

If Spurs trade for Salmons and Thomas, the trade that makes the most sense is Mason+Finley+Bonner+Mahinmi for Salmons+Thomas.

Spurs are still nearly $10M over the tax and aren't at all a contender. You cna't do a trade that will raise their tax hit by $2M or $3M.

[z0sa]

In fact, just getting Pop to play Thomas in the right positions AND consistently, without extended doghouse trips is almost undoubtedly asking too much.

[8FOR!3]

I don't know anything about John Salmons. I know little about Tyrus Thomas, but I know he's only 23 years old, he the 4th pick of the draft a few years ago, he's an athletic big guy, good shot blocker, dunker, physical, what's the problem with him? Because there's obviously a downside.

[TimDunkem]

lol dejuan "wilt" blair
Congrats Jackass. You were the first to say this.

[Flux451]

Well, Mason could fill the void left by Gordon some if he can start hitting more. Looks like the Spurs have the upper hand here but I ain't holding my breath

I think Mason would thrive with the current BUlls basketball.

[SpurNation]

I think Mason would thrive with the current BUlls basketball.

Salmons and Thomas. I would hope for better better deal. But at this point anything would be better.

[TJastal]

I don't know anything about John Salmons. I know little about Tyrus Thomas, but I know he's only 23 years old, he the 4th pick of the draft a few years ago, he's an athletic big guy, good shot blocker, dunker, physical, what's the problem with him? Because there's obviously a downside.

Cool, good to see there is actually some interest in this. I had this guy (TT) zeroed in last week, but somebody said he doesn't get along with coaching staffs.

But hell, the way the spurs are playing right now, I think headcase or not, he's worth taking a risk on.

Thing I worry about is if by some miracle we can land him would Pop actually invest the time to break him in, or would he end up like Ratliff and see PT once a month....... THAT is the biggest question.

[TJastal]

Salmons and Thomas. I would hope for better better deal. But at this point anything would be better.

? What the hell do you want, Lebron and Dwight Howard? Sheesh..

[SpurNation]

? What the hell do you want, Lebron and Dwight Howard? Sheesh..

Easy Ponchatrain...did I say Lebron...Howard?

Something better is not asking for either of those....cool your "Sheesh"

I've posted several trade ideas that didn't ask for any of those players...I don't get what your eluding to.

[TimDunkem]

I've posted several trade ideas that didn't ask for any of those players...I don't get what your eluding to.
You really think the Spurs have a good chance of landing Igoudala and Dalembert?

[G-Nob]

“They feel like they have to do something, like they’re behind the eight ball a little bit,” one of the execs said.

There goes our leverage.

[SpurNation]

You really think the Spurs have a good chance of landing Igoudala and Dalembert?

Don't know. But it wasn't an out of the way suggestion regarding what has been posted in articles regarding the Sixers. And just saying I would want a better option wasn't downing the idea of Salmons and Thomas or saying I think the Spurs should go after Lebron or Howard.

You really think the Spurs have a good chance of landing Salmons and Thomas?

If so...I'm cool with that.

As I said before...anything would be better at this point. It's apparent this roster isn't working out or even has signs it will.

[DaBears]

I hate to point out the obvious here, but the 2 area's where the SPURS need the help the most is premeter defense & Interior defense.. I would venture to say that primeter defense is more important.... Casue if you can stop the guy on the primeter than he shouldnt be getting into the paint...... Do any of these trades proposals help the stregthen this area..

This all from CPT obvious...

[stretch]

Congrats Jackass. You were the first to say this.

lol butthurt

[timvp]

I doubt Thomas makes much of a difference this season ... but I'm still fine with the idea of trading for him. Also getting back Salmons is a good idea. Salmons isn't great but he can get hot and is a pretty good playmaker.

[PDXSpursFan]

At this point almost any trade is low risk for the Spurs - no chemistry shake up worries, since there's none.

[TimDunkem]

lol butthurt
Why because I called you a jackass? :lol Nice try.

[Blackjack]

If the Spurs can't do my favorite trade, the one mountainballer threw out first (Maggette, Randolph and Bell for RJ and filler), than a Salmons-Thomas acquisition would be my next option; it made sense to me at the beginning of the season, and it still does now.

But if they do acquire Salmons and Thomas, and they really want to improve their team and overall camaraderie and good vibes moving forward, RJ's going to need to be T-mac'd; he's sucking the life and energy out of the room ..

[Buddy Holly]

Get it done!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfv3xgn

[mountainballer]

I'm very diffident about a possible TT acquisition, but I'm also desperate and helpless enough to think any move is better than do nothing and any move should be a step forward.
however, as much as I doubt that TT can fit with the Spurs, as much I'm a fan of a Salmons acquisition.
so, if the trade is TT plus Salmons for Bonner, Mason and Fin, Spurs should do it and not wait for, let's say, Haywood. (who meanwhile at least 4 teams want, likely more)
if the expectations for TT are low enough, he might turn into a nice surprise. this move might not save the season, but maybe it helps a bit and as well gives some nice options for next year.

[mountainballer]

and they really want to improve their team and overall camaraderie and good vibes moving forward, RJ's going to need to be T-mac'd; he's sucking the life and energy out of the room ..

or someone places a gun in his locker and calls Stern.
this would save the Spurs more money than breaking his kneecaps.

[mountainballer]

Jesus. playing with the trade machine should really be regulated by some laws.

[holcs50]

neat

if this goes down, spurs fans will talk about Tyrus Thomas being the next Kevin Garnett, the same way they compare any player that comes to the spurs to some all-time great

lol dejuan "wilt" blair

Ummm, and that's a NO. Any remotely intelligent fan knows that pop won't give him a whole bunch of minutes...plus he has to learn the awesome "system". He wouldn't really change a thing imo.

On the other hand, after realizing that dick is a complete failure and isn't really ever going to click, Salmons (who I haven't watched much this year) who is about the same size as dick prob could come in and bring some spark and energy which is badly needed-and he could also take most of dicks minutes.

[NFGIII]

Pop and Thomas will be butting heads immediately should this go down.


In fact, just getting Pop to play Thomas in the right positions AND consistently, without extended doghouse trips is almost undoubtedly asking too much.

From what I've seen of TT he is an incredibly athletic player with an extremely low BBIQ. So I would tend to agree with z0sa that he would be in the doghouse in a relatively short period of time.


I doubt Thomas makes much of a difference this season ... but I'm still fine with the idea of trading for him. Also getting back Salmons is a good idea. Salmons isn't great but he can get hot and is a pretty good playmaker.

Is it becasue you believe Salmons is worth having even if it means also having to take TT or you believe that TT has promise and the change of scenery along with vets like TD,TP and Co. could help him develop his talents?

[objective]

If Pop was desperate for an athletic big he would have played Ian.

The only desperation is for hail marys that people hope will save their ass.

[Blackjack]

or someone places a gun in his locker and calls Stern.
this would save the Spurs more money than breaking his kneecaps.

Good point. :tu

He needs to be Arenas'd? (there's got to be someone willing to plant the gun...)

[Thompson]

I can't resolve the Spurs' recognition of their desperate need for an athletic big man coupled with their refusal to even try Ian out for a few minutes a game.

[Obstructed_View]

If Pop was desperate for an athletic big he would have played Ian.

The only desperation is for hail marys that people hope will save their ass.

If Pop were desperate for a big in any way he wouldn't be refusing to play Bonner, Mcdyess, Ratliff and Mahinmi against the Lakers.

[DesignatedT]

Slight understatement.

please... we are still in a better position than 80% of the NBA... that is not a understatement... might be dissapointing to spurs fans how we are playing but it could be much MUCH worse.

a trade could change everything... it is a must at this point..

[HarlemHeat37]

Jesus. playing with the trade machine should really be regulated by some laws.

:rollin


As for this trade, I'm all for it..

The Spurs won't be winning a title this season, but a trade that won't hurt us from a long-term perspective is still good IMO..there's a chance that these guys can help spark the team and give us a nice run into the 2nd round or something..if they don't work, then oh well, their contracts will expire or will be valuable next year(Jefferson and if Salmons is opted)..

Just PLEASE include Finley in the deal so he can't play PF or even see the floor anymore..please..

Bonner+Mason+Finley+Bogans+Ian(sadly) for Thomas+Salmons would be the ideal trade for me..getting rid of Finley and Bogans in the same deal would be like a dream..

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Nuggets will land Thomas :smokin

(i wish)

[Bruno]

Nuggets will land Thomas :smokin

(i wish)

Nuggets don't really have the contracts to match Thomas salary.

[lurker23]

I'm still not convinced that Thomas will be a very good fit here, but I'm certainly not opposed to bringing him in and giving him a chance. SOMETHING needs to be done to shake things up, and these trade options with the Bulls are about as good/realistic as I've seen.

If we're going to give up Mason+Mahinmi+Finley+Bonner+Bogans for Thomas/Salmons, I'd see if they'd be willing to give us Pargo as well. They'd probably be fine getting rid of his salary, since he's having a poor year and averaging less than 10 mpg. He's a player the Spurs have been interested in before, and at the very least would provide a little emergency PG depth with Mason leaving (as ironic as that statement is, I know). The Spurs could also try out giving all the PG minutes to Parker/Pargo, leaving George Hill a few more SG minutes.

[lefty]

I like him

He is all over the place


Dunks, Rebounds, blocks


All over !

[5in10]

I like him

He is all over the place


Dunks, Rebounds, blocks


All over !

I like anyone who can do these things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ry_Ijsxgwo

I like his fire.

[lefty]

and i don't think he would have a problem being agressive. Unlike rj who seems to be scared of entering the paint for some reason.
+1

[FvckMavs]

I like him

He is all over the place


Dunks, Rebounds, blocks


All over !

Too bad he is taller than 6'7 and not older than 37. Pass.

[elbamba]

Why would the Spurs throw in Splitter and a 1st rounder for a guy who will leave next year? Especially when the player won't make you better this year.

[objective]

Why would the Spurs throw in Splitter and a 1st rounder for a guy who will leave next year? Especially when the player won't make you better this year.

Acting reasonably, and with objective analysis, they probably wouldn't.

But you're asking about the Spurs.

So the answer is, they probably will.

[HarlemHeat37]

They can throw in a 1st, but throwing in Splitter would be stupid..

[Mal]

Bulls can do it. Nothing good going to happen for them until July. In July they need every penny to sign Wade. If they can`t ship Hinrich they should do it with Thomas and his qualifing offer and Salmons. Without Splitter- a no brainer for me.

[DPG21920]

I don't get why they say the Bulls don't want to lose him for nothing, when reports say they are willing to renounce his rights.

[portnoy1]

If Spurs trade for Salmons and Thomas, the trade that makes the most sense is Mason+Finley+Bonner+Mahinmi for Salmons+Thomas.

Spurs are still nearly $10M over the tax and aren't at all a contender. You cna't do a trade that will raise their tax hit by $2M or $3M.
Yeah, but after this season the Spurs can deal RJ immediately and can do it alot easier since he is an expiring contract. So the luxury tax wouldnt hurt that bad. If they trade him, they can either resign some players (Manu/TThomas) or get some solid role pieces in return for RJ. IF they cant move him this season, next season he is almost guaranteed to be traded.

[dbestpro]

I don't get why they say the Bulls don't want to lose him for nothing, when reports say they are willing to renounce his rights.

Thomas has played his last game as a Bull. Chicago will send for expiring contracts but want to dump Salmons too, so they can free up the cash for the summer. This is why the Spurs should jump on a Salmons, Thomas trade. Both would contrbute right away if Pop would let them play. RJ could roost on the bench until his contract is wanted as an expiring contract next year.

Out the door Bonner, Mason, Finley, Mahinmi.

New Lineup
Duncan, McDeyess, Ratliff,
Thomas, Blair
Salmons, Jefferson
Hill, Ginobili, Bogans, Hairston
Parker

[024]

salmons and thomas would be great. would not immediately propel the spurs back to the top but would give pop the chance to sit jefferson without playing finley.

[portnoy1]

Thomas has played his last game as a Bull. Chicago will send for expiring contracts but want to dump Salmons too, so they can free up the cash for the summer. This is why the Spurs should jump on a Salmons, Thomas trade. Both would contrbute right away if Pop would let them play. RJ could roost on the bench until his contract is wanted as an expiring contract next year.

Out the door Bonner, Mason, Finley, Mahinmi.

New Lineup
Duncan, McDeyess, Ratliff,
Thomas, Blair
Salmons, Jefferson
Hill, Ginobili, Bogans, Hairston
Parker
I just dont know if Pop would trade Bonner. I know people make alot jokes about him, but Im serious. He is still looking for the floor stretching that robert horry brought. Bonner is the only big that can shoot 3's and Pop seems to like that alot. However Bonner's minutes have been reduced and Blair has gotten those minutes, Thats a huge plus and says alot. RMJ/Finley would work pretty well in the bulls system. Their both shooters and the bulls like to run their shooters of screens to get them shots as opposed to the spurs having them stand around. I am all for the trade. I would say to start RJ and Salmons. The minute RJ misses an assignment bench him for a little bit, kinda like what happened in the first quarter against LA last night.

[SenorSpur]

C'mon people. Wake up! This team is on the verge of complete suckage. Therefore, it would be stupid of them to begin giving away 1st round picks. No giving away picks when rebuilding is on the horizon. If anything, they need to start stockpiling picks.

[slick'81]

we can only hope

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Can't afford to give away first rounders. If we end up out of the playoffs, that's a lotto pick...

Salmons + Thomas would be nice. If Holt is really going all in for these last 2-3 years of the TD era, they need to get Philly on the phone and take on Iggy and Dalambert.

Of course, it'd take something like Manu + Finley + Mason + Bonner to get it done, but still...

[ffadicted]

I'd love Thomas, but I agree with chamberlain that the bulls would want to dump Salmons and/or Hinrich, so fuck that shit, I don't want them

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'd love Thomas, but I agree with chamberlain that the bulls would want to dump Thomas and/or Hinrich, so fuck that shit, I don't want them

I'd happily take Tyrus and Salmons off their hands from them.

[LatinLover69]

How about George Hill's phone for Tyrus?

[Baseline]

Are you kidding? The reason we have guys like Bonner and Mason and Finley on the team in the first place is because we haven't been able to draft or afford talent like TT or Hinrich.

I'd take TT and Hinrich all day and twice on Sunday. Those two would give us more talent than practically any team in the league.

The only problem is that we have a crusty, inflexible coach who can only handle a certain type of player.

[SenorSpur]

Are you kidding? The reason we have guys like Bonner and Mason and Finley on the team in the first place is because we haven't been able to draft or afford talent like TT or Hinrich.

I'd take TT and Hinrich all day and twice on Sunday. Those two would give us more talent than practically any team in the league.

The only problem is that we have a crusty, inflexible coach who can only handle a certain type of player.

Screw Hinrich, Salmons would be the better choice.

[SpurCharger]

I would be happy With A Thomas/Salmons deal..... We Dont Need Big Names, We Need Guys To fill Our Holes.... And A Athletic Big Is one, and Salmons Is Better Then RJ As Of Now..

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't get why they say the Bulls don't want to lose him for nothing, when reports say they are willing to renounce his rights.

It's called business. Same situation with the sonics trading us Kurt Thomas expiring for expirings and a first.

[poop]

salmons, heinrich and TT would all be excellent pickups for the spurs especially if we could off load some baggage at the same time

[5in10]

No way do I see the spurs taking on hinrichs contract...

[poop]

, We Need Guys To fill Our Holes.... And A Athletic Big Is one..

im sure you do big guy haha

[FeZZy]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygc3un4

Why not?

[Mark in Austin]

I know he's only 23 years old, he the 4th pick of the draft a few years ago, he's an athletic big guy, good shot blocker, dunker, physical, what's the problem with him? Because there's obviously a downside.


Gooden was also the fourth pick in a draft.... I don't know enough about Thomas to know if he has the mental chops to get the Spurs system.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I brought this up a month ago and everyone gave me shit or laughed at me. Things change quickly.

[exstatic]

I brought this up a month ago and everyone gave me shit or laughed at me. Things change quickly.

What's changed? He's still stupid, and still not a Spur.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

What's changed? He's still stupid, and still not a Spur.

What's changed is that people now think it's not such a bad idea.

I'm intrigued by Thomas, and I don't think it could hurt to trial him until the end of the season. Maybe he would respond to Pop? I know it's a long shot, but it's also an unknown. We are clearly not going anywhere this year, so what is there to lose?

We need to go young and athletic to stay relevant. I'm not sold on Thomas as one of the pieces we need, but he's an intriguing possibility... as well as an idiot. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Annual CIRCUS road trip?

CIRCUS means CIRCLE in Latin. The Spurs are going around in CIRCLES. They are CIRCLING the drain.

[SenorSpur]

CIRCUS means CIRCLE in Latin. The Spurs are going around in CIRCLES. They are CIRCLING the drain.

:lol

[SenorSpur]

What's changed is that people now think it's not such a bad idea.

I'm intrigued by Thomas, and I don't think it could hurt to trial him until the end of the season. Maybe he would respond to Pop? I know it's a long shot, but it's also an unknown. We are clearly not going anywhere this year, so what is there to lose?

We need to go young and athletic to stay relevant. I'm not sold on Thomas as one of the pieces we need, but he's an intriguing possibility... as well as an idiot. :lol

At least he's an idiot with an upside.

RJ is a vagina that I'm sure Pop would swear is also an idiot.

[tothrowed]

john salmons is another stephen jackson that ni99a would shoot to many 3's at the wrong time but then agon when hes on fire hes good but when hes not hes awufl

[TJastal]

:rolleyes

I get so tired of idiots on here who act like we need members of Mensa to be able to play on the spurs. Sure it helps, but the team has plenty of veteran "smart" players (IE the big 3), what they need to do is surround these older guys with some athletic studs and quit playing guys who are over the hill (Finley) or don't have enough athleticism to fill an eye dropper (Bogans/Bonner). Those 3 guys are killing the spurs right now more than anything.

Thomas is an athletic stud, plain and simple. Even if he doesn't get the system right away he's going to contribute with defense, blocks and and energy plays created by his athleticism alone. This is what this team needs more than anything right now.

[TJastal]

And if Pop plans on using Blair as an off the bench staple player, he's going to need to find a guy who can play some defense to pair up with him. I thought McDyess and Blair made a great combination in the times I've seen them play together... and I think Dice likes to come off the bench as well. So it makes sense to get a guy like TT to put in the starting lineup.

[Blackjack]

I brought this up a month ago and everyone gave me shit or laughed at me. Things change quickly.

It had to be well over a month ago; I remember you crediting me.:smokin

[CGD]

No way do I see the spurs taking on hinrichs contract...

agreed

[Bandit2981]

I don't think Tyrus Thomas really improves this team, he is basically another Stromile Swift.

[slayermin]

Do we really need another big? I think we need a backup point guard.

Kirk Hinrich is the guy I would try to steal from the Bulls.

[ivanfromwestwood]

:rolleyes



Thomas is an athletic stud, plain and simple. Even if he doesn't get the system right away he's going to contribute with defense, blocks and and energy plays created by his athleticism alone. This is what this team needs more than anything right now.3Ry_Ijsxgwo

[TJastal]

I don't think Tyrus Thomas really improves this team, he is basically another Stromile Swift.

Let's compare their best years in the league.

Stromile Swift best year

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
01-02 MEM 68 14 26.5 0.480 0.000 0.711 2.4 4.0 6.3 0.7 0.8 1.7 1.79 2.62 11.8

Tyrus Thomas best year

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
08-09 CHI 79 61 27.5 0.451 0.333 0.783 1.9 4.6 6.4 1.0 1.2 1.9 1.63 2.78 10.8

Thomas is clearly superior in the hustle play category.. i.e. steals/assists/blocks and also turns the ball over less.

[TJastal]

Do we really need another big? I think we need a backup point guard.

Kirk Hinrich is the guy I would try to steal from the Bulls.

No.

Heinrich would be a 9 million dollar backup spot up shooter.. that wouldn't shoot much with Manu running the 2nd unit. We already have 3 guys that are doing the same thing basically (Fin/Mason/Bogans)

What this team needs more than anything is an athletic big man to help Duncan defend the paint and intimidate people. Thomas is just that type of bad ass to fit the role to a tee.

[exstatic]

Let's compare their best years in the league.

Stromile Swift best year

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
01-02 MEM 68 14 26.5 0.480 0.000 0.711 2.4 4.0 6.3 0.7 0.8 1.7 1.79 2.62 11.8

Tyrus Thomas best year

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
08-09 CHI 79 61 27.5 0.451 0.333 0.783 1.9 4.6 6.4 1.0 1.2 1.9 1.63 2.78 10.8

Thomas is clearly superior in the hustle play category.. i.e. steals/assists/blocks and also turns the ball over less.

I don't think they were comparing their numbers. More along the lines of "They're both dumb as dirt". Forget MENSA, I just want someone who can walk and chew gum. Word is, that's a tough go for TT. And if he dunks so fucking much, WHY THE FUCK IS HIS FG% SO LOW? Oh, yeah, it's those bushels of bad jumpers he takes that negates anything good he may do on the floor.

[slayermin]

No.

Heinrich would be a 9 million dollar backup spot up shooter.. that wouldn't shoot much with Manu running the 2nd unit. We already have 3 guys that are doing the same thing basically (Fin/Mason/Bogans)

What this team needs more than anything is an athletic big man to help Duncan defend the paint and intimidate people. Thomas is just that type of bad ass to fit the role to a tee.

Move Manu back into the starting lineup, if that's the case. But I see a huge deficiency at point guard. And Hinrich isn't just a shooter. Spurs have plenty of bigs. Pop just doesn't play them together.

[sananspursfan21]

when some people say that a trade for thomas wouldn't help, it might actually help a lot. not in the fact that tyrus thomas is going to come in and average 12 rbs. a game or shoot lights out from the post or anything. he might simply inject energy into this tired looking spurs team. that's kind of what i was hoping rj would do. i thought him playing above the rim would possibly motivate the rest of the team to play hard too. i think if thomas was aquired, there would be hope for a post-all-star break rebirth, no guarantee but hope.

[Blackjack]

Remember when everyone was dogging the hell out of Pietrus and his terrible basketball IQ? That was awesome (the dude truly is dumb as dirt).

And remember when he got that ridiculous contract from the Magic? Those guys were idiots; they'll never live that one down.

Oh, Oh ... and remember when that dumbass, overpaid guy was being one of the most integral parts of a team that went to the Finals last year? Hilarious.

It takes a thinking man (at every position and role) to be a real, contributing basketball player ...

[slayermin]

Mahinmi or even Ratliff can accomplish the same thing. And they know the Spurs system better than Thomas. I don't get how Thomas is going to make the Spurs better.

[coachmac87]

Mahinmi or even Ratliff can accomplish the same thing. And they know the Spurs system better than Thomas. I don't get how Thomas is going to make the Spurs better.

He wont. We need to trade for a starting 2guard or for a solid down low defender. FUck this tweener shit. Thomas will only bring more "small ball". Which is the last thing the Spurs need.

[TJastal]

Remember when everyone was dogging the hell out of Pietrus and his terrible basketball IQ? That was awesome (the dude truly is dumb as dirt).

And remember when he got that ridiculous contract from the Magic? Those guys were idiots; they'll never live that one down.

Oh, Oh ... and remember when that dumbass, overpaid guy was being one of the most integral parts of a team that went to the Finals last year? Hilarious.

It takes a thinking man (at every position and role) to be a real, contributing basketball player ...

Pietrus still gets dogged by members of this forum.. despite being one of the most versatile defenders in the league and habitally nailing clutch shots in big games time and time again.

[MI21]

I'm not sure where the idea that Thomas is a fucking moron comes from. Maybe off the court he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, I don't know. But on the court he is the typical young athletic guy who makes mistakes. Just like any other player. No one is going to accuse him of being an astute basketball mind, but he has never come across as total idiot either. I hate how Spurs fans think you need to be some mental genius to play with Pop.

As for on court, Thomas could help the Spurs. I'm not sure it does much for them this season, but it could certainly help in the future. Thomas has a future as a Marion type player; incredible athlete, rare quick jumping ability, decent defensive player who excels at highlight defensive plays, poor ball handling skills and an inconsistent jumpshot lacking range. Now I'm not saying he reaches prime Marion levels, but he could become a similar player. If the Spurs can get him in a trade for some scraps, they need to accept that straight away.

Salmons could really help this season. He is a pretty good defensive player with length. Offensively he is very well rounded, can do a bit of everything. I think in a Spurs offense he would become a tough cover because of he is a threat everywhere on the court and wouldn't be forced into isolations against a set defense. By no means would he put the Spurs over the top, but he is a better fit than Jefferson.

Of course, all this is moot if Pop decided to barely play Thomas and not allow him to make mistakes and turned Salmons into a guy who stands at the baseline 3 for 18 seconds every offensive possession... But that is a post for a different time.

[HarlemHeat37]

How are those smart old men working out for the Spurs right now?..

[SenorSpur]

Remember when everyone was dogging the hell out of Pietrus and his terrible basketball IQ? That was awesome (the dude truly is dumb as dirt).

And remember when he got that ridiculous contract from the Magic? Those guys were idiots; they'll never live that one down.

Oh, Oh ... and remember when that dumbass, overpaid guy was being one of the most integral parts of a team that went to the Finals last year? Hilarious.

It takes a thinking man (at every position and role) to be a real, contributing basketball player ...

Yeah, all I know is what I saw from him in the NBA Finals. Compared to what the Spurs were getting from Finley and others, I would take his all-around performance any day.

As for Thomas, at this point the situation is desparate enough for the Spurs to take a risk on what they would normally consider an unconventional player. This guy has raw physical talents, that could truly benefit this team - right now. And the beautiful thing about him is he's young, has upside and can be around while the Spurs go through the inevitable rebuilding project. Put him together with Hill and Blair.

[SenorSpur]

How are those smart old men working out for the Spurs right now?..

They aint working out too well.

All of Pop's fear about young players not being equipped to play in the NBA is bullshit. Tyreke Evans and Omri Casspi went for 27 and 18, respectively for the Kings on Tuesday night.

Tyrus Thomas went for 9 & 7 in 28 minutes.

Pop needs to recognize.

[MI21]

Remember when everyone was dogging the hell out of Pietrus and his terrible basketball IQ? That was awesome (the dude truly is dumb as dirt).

And remember when he got that ridiculous contract from the Magic? Those guys were idiots; they'll never live that one down.

Oh, Oh ... and remember when that dumbass, overpaid guy was being one of the most integral parts of a team that went to the Finals last year? Hilarious.

It takes a thinking man (at every position and role) to be a real, contributing basketball player ...

Pietrus does make plenty of mistakes on the court. He has terrible shot selection, makes some horrible defensive mistakes like fouling jumpshooters and makes some stupid offensive decisions causing turnovers.

But you take the good with the bad. He makes plenty of those bad shots, is fearless, makes defensive plays you don't expect. He is a wildcard and unpredictable and that is a quality in itself. I'd take him on my team anyday.

Not every player is Tim fucking Duncan. Spurs fans seem to think you need a Larry Bird mind at every position. Not the case, it helps if your best players are elite basketball minds, but having some players who bring some unpredictability, ala Buckets in 03, gives a team a different, and sometimes more dangerous look.

[exstatic]

Alright, let's leave his miniscule IQ out of it for a few minutes...

Why the FUCK do we need ANOTHER undersized PF project? We've got one of those already, and he's going to smoke those "best year" numbers of TT's next year.

If you're going to advocate a Forrest Gump, make him at least 6'11". You find someone like that, I'll jump on board, maybe reluctantly, but I'll jump.

[SenorSpur]

I'm not sure where the idea that Thomas is a fucking moron comes from. Maybe off the court he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, I don't know. But on the court he is the typical young athletic guy who makes mistakes. Just like any other player. No one is going to accuse him of being an astute basketball mind, but he has never come across as total idiot either. I hate how Spurs fans think you need to be some mental genius to play with Pop.

As for on court, Thomas could help the Spurs. I'm not sure it does much for them this season, but it could certainly help in the future. Thomas has a future as a Marion type player; incredible athlete, rare quick jumping ability, decent defensive player who excels at highlight defensive plays, poor ball handling skills and an inconsistent jumpshot lacking range. Now I'm not saying he reaches prime Marion levels, but he could become a similar player. If the Spurs can get him in a trade for some scraps, they need to accept that straight away.

Salmons could really help this season. He is a pretty good defensive player with length. Offensively he is very well rounded, can do a bit of everything. I think in a Spurs offense he would become a tough cover because of he is a threat everywhere on the court and wouldn't be forced into isolations against a set defense. By no means would he put the Spurs over the top, but he is a better fit than Jefferson.

Of course, all this is moot if Pop decided to barely play Thomas and not allow him to make mistakes and turned Salmons into a guy who stands at the baseline 3 for 18 seconds every offensive possession... But that is a post for a different time.

:tu

Couldn't agree more on all points.

Also, let's stop acting as though ALL the Spurs players are perfect and flawless. As wonderful of a player as Manu is, HE still makes dumb mistakes of commission that you have to live with. From careless passes, to ill-advised shots, to the occasional silly foul. Hell, he probably cost the Spurs a 5th title with his dumb decision to foul Dirk for that "and 1" in the waning seconds of that epic Game 7 of the WCSF series in 2006. Duncan, with his errant outlet passes, makes his share of mistakes, as does Parker with his occasional poor decisions to ignore open shooters, while dribbling into 2-3 defenders in the paint. That said, it doesn't diminish their value, they're just human and, even though they're veterans, they still make their share of mistakes too.

Blair is making his mistakes too, but he's more than making up for them with hustle, hard work,and a willing attitude. Pop has been surprisingly tolerant of him, so far. I wish he would've granted Ian the same leeway.

Young players need court time and repetition in order to drive down their share of mistakes. Pop, and other coaches, sometimes give too short of a leash to younger players, versus olders players, who make the same mistakes.

[SenorSpur]

Alright, let's leave his miniscule IQ out of it for a few minutes...

Why the FUCK do we need ANOTHER undersized PF project? We've got one of those already, and he's going to smoke those "best year" numbers of TT's next year.

If you're going to advocate a Forrest Gump, make him at least 6'11". You find someone like that, I'll jump on board, maybe reluctantly, but I'll jump.

For starters, because they don't have an athletic PF, who can block shots, rebound, run the floor or has the ability to step outside the paint and guard people effectively. Like him or not, there's no question that Thomas can do all those things. In fact, I purposely watched Thomas do all those things in the 28 mins he played versus the Pacers tonight.

Of course, Pop will have his hands full, in terms of teaching him to be a more disciplined player, but isn't that what he's paid to do?

[SenorSpur]

My guess is that the Bulls will want to wait until the final hour before they pull the trigger on any trades.

You're probably right. I just hope RC will do his due diligence this weekend and start working on parameters of a trade that would bring both Thomas and Salmons to the Spurs.

[TJastal]

Alright, let's leave his miniscule IQ out of it for a few minutes...

Why the FUCK do we need ANOTHER undersized PF project? We've got one of those already, and he's going to smoke those "best year" numbers of TT's next year.

If you're going to advocate a Forrest Gump, make him at least 6'11". You find someone like that, I'll jump on board, maybe reluctantly, but I'll jump.

First off, Thomas plays bigger than his listed height of 6'10. And 6'10 is not undersized at all. Athletically he's almost as gifted as Dwight Howard. He blocks and alters a ton of shots. That's the element that the spurs are missing right now. The one player that could have helped there (Ian) has been written off. So the spurs need a guy like Thomas.

I have nothing against your boy, Blair, but he doesn't hold a candle defensively to Tyrus Thomas. This is becoming readily apparent now that Bonner cannot hide this weakness... heck, Bonner has enough problems holding his own defensively. This combination is going to get exposed in the playoffs if nothing changes.

In short, the Blair / Bonner duo isn't going to cut it

[z0sa]

First off, Thomas plays bigger than his listed height of 6'10. And 6'10 is not undersized at all.

Do you got some backup on this? A link or something? Because I've always thought of TT as closer to 6'8.


Athletically he's almost as gifted as Dwight Howard. He blocks and alters a ton of shots.

Again, where's your source? I agree he has these things to a degree, but I think your overestimating him by a considerable margin.

[TJastal]

For starters, because they don't have an athletic PF, who can block shots, rebound, run the floor or has the ability to step outside the paint and guard people effectively. Like him or not, there's no question that Thomas can do all those things. In fact, I purposely watched Thomas do all those things in the 28 mins he played versus the Pacers tonight.

Of course, Pop will have his hands full, in terms of teaching him to be a more disciplined player, but isn't that what he's paid to do?

Senorspur, I think we've found the real reason the Popalogist don't want to take on anyone who's a little rough around the edges and needs some direction, because the simple truth of the matter is Poppycock has no idea how to coach.

In Pop's mind, he shouldn't have to "teach", .. or "coach"... these players should come to the team ready to contribute the moment they step on the court. :lol

[Blackjack]

When you look at the needs of the Spurs and the personnel already in place, there's just not a better (feasible) option out there than Thomas-Salmons.

When you look at the frontline, what kind of player do the Spurs need?

Well, they're definitely in need of a rim deterrent and preferably a legitimate starting number 2. But when you look at the options available (Camby, Haywood, etc.), how are those guys going to co-exist with Tim playing number 2 minutes; Tim's a 5 now, whether he wants to admit it or not, and neither Camby nor Haywood are capable of defending out on the floor. Therefore, they'd find their ass seated on the bench most nights (and with Pop, maybe even when they shouldn't) and would be a wasted asset.

Now with a guy like Thomas, you give yourself another option. He gives you versatility defensively that can keep him on the court regardless of matchup and you maintain a rim deterrent as long as he's out there; with Tim, he's the weak-side shot blocker to compliment the strong-side defense (Tim sets them up, while Tyrus knocks them down) and his speed in transition allows the team to both benefit from, and deter, the break.

He and Blair would form a nice complimentary battery for Tim and 'Dyess, that could be utilized depending on play and matchup; I'll bet you're going to acquire a good soldier, given Tyrus' contract status, so the playing time shouldn't be an issue this year.

There's no long term commitment, cap ramifications or great loss of talent in acquiring the kid (the same age as George, if memory serves). What the hell do they have to lose?

Salmons is Salmons. I'd trade him for RJ if it were possible. Bogans shouldn't be seeing the court and Hill can't be the primary and sole perimeter defender at the wing. Salmons' all-around game would definitely be beneficial to the team.

It's not going to net a championship but it makes them better, and it gives them an opportunity to try some players out for next year; they need to start planning for next year.

[TJastal]

Do you got some backup on this? A link or something? Because I've always thought of TT as closer to 6'8.



Again, where's your source? I agree he has these things to a degree, but I think your overestimating him by a considerable margin.

This link from ESPN says he's 6'10".. he looks pretty tall out there from what I've seen. I don't know for sure, though.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3032

He may not have Howard's strength but he possesses the quick leaping ability and timing that makes a great shotblocker.

[SenorSpur]

First off, Thomas plays bigger than his listed height of 6'10. And 6'10 is not undersized at all. Athletically he's almost as gifted as Dwight Howard. He blocks and alters a ton of shots. That's the element that the spurs are missing right now. The one player that could have helped there (Ian) has been written off. So the spurs need a guy like Thomas.

I have nothing against your boy, Blair, but he doesn't hold a candle defensively to Tyrus Thomas. This is becoming readily apparent now that Bonner cannot hide this weakness... heck, Bonner has enough problems holding his own defensively. This combination is going to get exposed in the playoffs if nothing changes.

In short, the Blair / Bonner duo isn't going to cut it

Let's look at what the Spurs have on the frontline.

Ratliff can block shots, but is old, fragile and mysteriously doesn't play.

Blair can rebound with ferocity, but lacks size and isn't a polished defender yet.

McDyess is a good positional defender and rebounder, or at least he was last year, but can't really step out and guard people on the perimeter, can't block shots and looks very much his 35 years.

Bonner is just a shooter and hustle guy, who doesn't rebound, defend, block shots or anything else.

Mahinmi can run, rebound, block shot and looks to be competent offensively, but mysteriously has entered the Spurs witness protection program.

That leaves Duncan as the sole anchor of everything the Spurs do offensively and defensively on the frontline. At 33 years of age, the guy is working too hard and the load is just too much. We saw him wear down last year, and it appears to be happening again.

Let's face it, regardless of what you may think about Thomas, and despite the fact that he has fallen out of favor with his current team, the guy has all those tangible defensive skills that the Spurs have so very little of. He still needs to develop his offense, but he'd be an instant upgrade at the PF position.

[DJB]

the Spurs are the CIRCUS

:lmao

[Blackjack]

Thomas is 6' 8.25" with shoes, has a 7' 3" wingspan and a 9' 0" standing reach.

[objective]

Tyrus Thomas is 6-8.25 with shoes on.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tyrus-Thomas-511/

[SenorSpur]

Senorspur, I think we've found the real reason the Popalogist don't want to take on anyone who's a little rough around the edges and needs some direction, because the simple truth of the matter is Poppycock has no idea how to coach.

In Pop's mind, he shouldn't have to "teach", .. or "coach"... these players should come to the team ready to contribute the moment they step on the court. :lol

Egad! I think we've got him dead to rights now!

[TJastal]

Thomas is 6' 8.25" with shoes, has a 7' 3" wingspan and a 9' 0" standing reach.

9'0" standing reach.. yah I think that he could help protect the rim a little bit.

:lol

[SouthTexasRancher]

I just posted this on another thread so I'll throw it in here.

Honestly, even if spurs did trade for Thomas I think Pop would just give him the Gooden treatment.

He would just sit on the bench watching Finley out there trying to do his job.:lol


Yep!!! And the sad part is Gooden has had some monster games for the Mavettes whereas Dice has looked like a 106 year old granny on most nights. We definitely need a big who can help Tim out but, we also need a closer who can take over in the 4th qtr. and keep us on track. These late 4th qtr. breakdowns are getting old real fast...!!!

[objective]

Mahinmi or even Ratliff can accomplish the same thing. And they know the Spurs system better than Thomas. I don't get how Thomas is going to make the Spurs better.

Mahinmi could, sure. Ratliff, for limited minutes.

But playing Ian would be like admitting what failures the staff and front office have been.

Better to lose with smallball.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Let's look at what the Spurs have on the frontline.

Ratliff can block shots, but is old, fragile and mysteriously doesn't play.

Blair can rebound with ferocity, but lacks size and isn't a polished defender yet.

McDyess is a good positional defender and rebounder, or at least he was last year, but can't really step out and guard people on the perimeter, can't block shots and looks very much his 35 years.

Bonner is just a shooter and hustle guy, who doesn't rebound, defend, block shots or anything else.

Mahinmi can run, rebound, block shot and looks to be competent offensively, but mysteriously has entered the Spurs witness protection program.

That leaves Duncan as the sole anchor of everything the Spurs do offensively and defensively on the frontline. At 33 years of age, the guy is working too hard and the load is just too much. We saw him wear down last year, and it appears to be happening again.

Let's face it, regardless of what you may think about Thomas, and despite the fact that he has fallen out of favor with his current team, the guy has all those tangible defensive skills that the Spurs have so very little of. He still needs to develop his offense, but he'd be an instant upgrade at the PF position.


:rollin:rollin:rollin

Good one!!!

[ElNono]

I don't see what we have to lose if Ratliff plays for 17 mins or so a night and gives us a block or two and 3 or 4 rebounds. What's the big deal if he breaks? It's not like we're going anywhere right now... might aswell blow your wad now and see what you have.

I'm sorry, but I don't like Tyrus at all right now. When we go into rebuild mode, I'll take another look.

[Blackjack]

I don't understand, ElNono ...

You readily admit (as do I) they're not going anywhere, but you'd be content to have a guy like Ratliff out there playing significant minutes?

Why not give a look-see to a player that brings a very useful physical skillset and a guy that's been on the Spurs' radar for a while now?

This team still has one last shot next year with the right moves and some fortunate health, imo, I'd just assume they start building for next year before they enter the full-scale rebuild.

[slayermin]

I don't see what we have to lose if Ratliff plays for 17 mins or so a night and gives us a block or two and 3 or 4 rebounds. What's the big deal if he breaks? It's not like we're going anywhere right now... might aswell blow your wad now and see what you have.

I'm sorry, but I don't like Tyrus at all right now. When we go into rebuild mode, I'll take another look.

At this point, I say play the big three big minutes the rest of the way. Shorten up the rotation and let's get this shit done.

[objective]

I'm more with Nono but with Mahinmi instead of Ratliff.

If there was a deal, sure, I'd go with Thomas over Camby. If it was just a lotto-protected first that they had to dump . . . sure, I guess an extra year look at him is like a teenish first. So fine.

All in all though, I'm leaning towards them just burning out this year. Missing the playoffs wouldn't be too bad, more rest for the weary. Get a solid draft pick, don't F up with Splitter and expect him to come without kissing his ass and promising him minutes and a good role, dump RJ if able, buy him out if not.

It may feel like dying, but this is the grave RC and Pop dug for themselves. You don't get out by digging deeper with Camby.

[Blackjack]

Oh, this shit's done alright. :tu

[TJastal]

I don't understand, ElNono ...

You readily admit (as do I) they're not going anywhere, but you'd be content to have a guy like Ratliff out there playing significant minutes?

Why not give a look-see to a player that brings a very useful physical skillset and a guy that's been on the Spurs' radar for a while now?

This team still has one last shot next year with the right moves and some fortunate health, imo, I'd just assume they start building for next year before they enter the full-scale rebuild.

El Nono should just admit he likes Pop's current rotation featuring the Jefferson/Finley power forward combination that is just tearing the league up, there's really no other explanation...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Tyrus Thomas is 6-8.25 with shoes on.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tyrus-Thomas-511/

That surprises the hell out of me. I figured him for at least 6'10". He plays tall.

BTW, since we're going nowhere, why not give Ian 24mins a night and see what he does? If he plays well I'm sure we can work something out contract-wise.

[Blackjack]

I'm with you on Mahinmi, objective, but the ship's obviously sailed. And playing Ratliff or acquiring Camby just doesn't make much sense to me, at this point.

I don't think Thomas and Salmons is a cure-all and I've readily conceded they wouldn't be securing a title. But they've got the potential to be part of the solution for next year and I just can't see the harm in acquiring them for what it'd take.

There's just nothing to lose at this point.

[024]

i think i've seen a few people say this but tyrus thomas would only be a project. he'll help somewhat this year but just because everyone else sucks. thomas would not noticeably improve the spurs and there is a chance the spurs will break him in pop's system.

[Blackjack]

i think i've seen a few people say this but tyrus thomas would only be a project. he'll help somewhat this year but just because everyone else sucks. thomas would not noticeably improve the spurs and there is a chance the spurs will break him in pop's system.

If he breaks ...
http://evanmorgenstern.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/ivan_drago.jpg
He breaks

[TD 21]

That surprises the hell out of me. I figured him for at least 6'10". He plays tall.

BTW, since we're going nowhere, why not give Ian 24mins a night and see what he does? If he plays well I'm sure we can work something out contract-wise.

You'd think the Spurs would at least want to know what they have with Mahinmi before losing him for nothing as a free agent this summer; apparently not. That they're not in "why the heck not, what do we got to lose?" mode with Mahinmi (and Hairston) is beyond stupid.

Bonner is done for the year. If he's not included in a trade for Thomas or someone of that ilk, his usefulness in terms of playing is finished. As timvp said, he's a rhythm/confidence player. He's lost both and the Spurs don't have 20 mpg to hand to a limited, one-dimensional player, to get him going again, not when they're fighting for their playoff lives. Pop needs to drop him from the rotation immediately.

At this point, the Spurs are better off playing Mahinmi over Ratliff, in that scenario. But I wouldn't even care if they went Ratliff over Mahinmi; just put someone in the damn game who's long, at least relatively athletic and can block shots/protect the rim. I'm so sick and tired of seeing teams running a layup drill against the Spurs. It's gone past "teams don't fear them anymore" to teams smell blood and relentlessly attack them.

[ElNono]

I don't understand, ElNono ...

You readily admit (as do I) they're not going anywhere, but you'd be content to have a guy like Ratliff out there playing significant minutes?

I still have faith in this team, believe it or not. I think the biggest problem we have is our inconsistent lineups and specially going small all the time. I think if we're trading for Camby or Thomas, then the FO is basically admitting that small ball is out and we're going back to protecting the paint (among other things). Sure, plenty of other things have to align too. Tony has to get back up to speed and Manu needs to find his shooting touch. But as long as Duncan's knees don't look as shot as last season, I think we have a fighter's chance.

Now, if we're going back to putting size in the paint, then we're looking at a couple of guys, namely Camby and Thomas. Camby is really not much different than the Rattler, IMO. If you take him anywhere outside to the perimeter, he's lost. If it's about rotating towards the rim and blocking a shot, then we're looking at the same thing. Camby is definitely the better rebounder, but we've rebounded fairly well when we played big this season.
Getting Camby would basically mean that's all we're getting for our expirings. Ratliff would basically be redundant. Now, Tyrus Thomas is athletic, has a lot of potential, but he's a fairly dumb player at the moment. We have a lot of those already. I'd say way too many. Dumb players don't last long in Pop's rotation. Take a look at Gooden last season for a sample.

I would rather take Ratliff for a spin. I also would use our expirings to sign a true actual backup PG. I'd like Manu to play SG again. Hill has always been a SG. I want Pop to stop playing guys out of position. If we have enough left, maybe see if we can take a gamble on Raja Bell to help shoring up the perimeter just a bit. Go and give it all we have, but playing the type of basketball that gave us results over the years.


Why not give a look-see to a player that brings a very useful physical skillset and a guy that's been on the Spurs' radar for a while now?

This team still has one last shot next year with the right moves and some fortunate health, imo, I'd just assume they start building for next year before they enter the full-scale rebuild.

Starting to build now for next year is an admission of complete failure and I don't see this FO pulling the plug on this roster this early. If anything, just as a sign of respect to Duncan.

[ElNono]

El Nono should just admit he likes Pop's current rotation featuring the Jefferson/Finley power forward combination that is just tearing the league up, there's really no other explanation...

I just made a post explaining my position. I'm sorry I'm not wowed by your favorite savior that has a 9" standing reach right now. I think the fact he can't break the starting rotation and only manage to play 20 minutes per game should be telling you who he really is at this point in his career.

[ace3g]

I'll say it again, I think Salmons would be a great pick up for nothing else that he is a play maker, most times I check a Bulls' scoreboard, he has around 4 boards and 5 assists, which tells me that he likes to get others involved even if he is hot.

Another thing about Salmons he is one of those streaky shooters, but his jumpshot is more fluid then Jefferson's and would fit the Spurs style better.

[ElNono]

I'll say it again, I think Salmons would be a great pick up for nothing else that he is a play maker, most times I check a Bulls' scoreboard, he has around 4 boards and 5 assists, which tells me that he likes to get others involved even if he is hot.

Another thing about Salmons he is one of those streaky shooters, but his jumpshot is more fluid then Jefferson's and would fit the Spurs style better.

I used to like Salmons a lot. But his numbers this season are almost verbatim of what Jefferson is giving us now. He's just a just a tiny bit better 3 point shooter and free throw shooter, and that's it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Salmons is a better defender by a wide margin..he's an above average defender, while Jefferson is just a flat-out bad defender..he's on the same tier as Mason and Finley from a perimeter defense standpoint IMO..

[ElNono]

Salmons is a better defender by a wide margin..he's an above average defender, while Jefferson is just a flat-out bad defender..he's on the same tier as Mason and Finley from a perimeter defense standpoint IMO..

I don't entirely disagree. I'll just say that Jefferson's brain is a fucking mystery. He has given us good defense and effort for small stretches out there. So it's not that he can't play much better defense. He's just unable to do so on a consistent basis somehow, which is what's completely frustrating.
That's exactly why I mentioned taking a flier with Bell and see if we get lucky.

Salmons has regressed from the player he was in Sacramento. I don't know if it's Del Negro's fault or what.

[TD 21]

Salmons is a better defender by a wide margin..he's an above average defender, while Jefferson is just a flat-out bad defender..he's on the same tier as Mason and Finley from a perimeter defense standpoint IMO..

Salmons is above average, but far from a stopper and let's face it, that's the role the Spurs would need him to play. That and fifth option offensively, which I doubt he'd be willing to play. He seems moody and clearly thinks he's better than he is because he's been a featured perimeter scorer on his past two teams. Could he go back to being strictly a role player? I doubt it.

The other thing with him is he's not overly quick laterally and is a mediocre athlete. He's now in his late twenties, so I'm wondering how many years he has left as a solid defender. He's also more of a wing than a true two.

If this trade with Thomas goes down, look for the Spurs to get Pargo, not Salmons, as the second player coming back.

[HarlemHeat37]

For the record, I only want Salmons if he comes with Tyrus Thomas..I'm just pointing out the positives of Salmons..I don't think he's a special player or anything..getting the 2 of them in a trade is definitely a good trade IMO..

I don't think any trade really makes a difference, I'm just saying I would like to have Thomas on this team if we make a trade..

I would be just as happy if the FO made no major trades and just let Mahinmi and Hairston in the rotation..this team isn't going anywhere this season anyways, you might as well see if you have some players in those 2..

[timvp]

Yay or nay?

RMJ, Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi and Splitter for Salmons and Thomas.

Splitter makes me think long and hard about that one. Especially since Thomas may be a rental and Salmons wouldn't be a huge improvement over someone like RMJ.

[HarlemHeat37]

Substitute Splitter with a 1st round pick and I say yay..we would have Thomas' rights with the trade, right?..

[timvp]

Substitute Splitter with a 1st round pick and I say yay..we would have Thomas' rights with the trade, right?..

What about as is?

[phxspurfan]

Yay or nay?

RMJ, Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi and Splitter for Salmons and Thomas.

Splitter makes me think long and hard about that one. Especially since Thomas may be a rental and Salmons wouldn't be a huge improvement over someone like RMJ.

That's a hell of a lot for rentals. Keep Splitter out of it...

[HarlemHeat37]

What about as is?

I really don't know about that..I don't have the access that RC and Pop have..it would pretty much depend on how confident they are that Splitter is going to join the Spurs next year..

[TD 21]

For the record, I only want Salmons if he comes with Tyrus Thomas..I'm just pointing out the positives of Salmons..I don't think he's a special player or anything..getting the 2 of them in a trade is definitely a good trade IMO..

I don't think any trade really makes a difference, I'm just saying I would like to have Thomas on this team if we make a trade..

I would be just as happy if the FO made no major trades and just let Mahinmi and Hairston in the rotation..this team isn't going anywhere this season anyways, you might as well see if you have some players in those 2..

I agree.


Yay or nay?

RMJ, Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi and Splitter for Salmons and Thomas.

Splitter makes me think long and hard about that one. Especially since Thomas may be a rental and Salmons wouldn't be a huge improvement over someone like RMJ.

Not a chance. Why would you throw in Splitter when the Bulls would jump at the chance to dump those two contracts (they're desperate for more cap space to chase Wade, Bosh, Johnson, even Lee)? No need to. Now, if you take Splitter out of it, then yeah, for sure.

What were you thinking attempting to make a basketball trade? This is the NBA.

[ElNono]

You might talk me into RMJ, Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi for Thomas and Pargo...

I'd still like to have a shot at Bell somehow, but maybe it can be worked out.

[timvp]

Not a chance. Why would you throw in Splitter when the Bulls would jump at the chance to dump those two contracts (they're desperate for more cap space to chase Wade, Bosh, Johnson, even Lee)?

Thomas is an expiring and isn't void of value. No way the Bulls just salary dump him for nothing when his salary is coming off the books anyways.

[MI21]

Yay or nay?

RMJ, Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi and Splitter for Salmons and Thomas.

Splitter makes me think long and hard about that one. Especially since Thomas may be a rental and Salmons wouldn't be a huge improvement over someone like RMJ.

Finley and Bonner, no brainer.

Mahinmi I really like but if Pop isn't going to play him, adios.

Splitter, I don't know to much about him really. I still say yay though, because I think Thomas could turn out to be a very valuable player.

[Parker2112]

Yay or nay?

RMJ, Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi and Splitter for Salmons and Thomas.

Splitter makes me think long and hard about that one. Especially since Thomas may be a rental and Salmons wouldn't be a huge improvement over someone like RMJ.

Nay. Splitter is the bridge, along with Parker and Hill (and hopefully others) to the other side of the TD era. The guy has great defensive and offensive potential in the NBA. Big men don't just fall out of trees. Just ask 3/4s of the teams in the league.

I still wonder if Splitter's impending arrival means the Spurs won't move on a starter quality big this season.

[TJastal]

Yay or nay?

RMJ, Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi and Splitter for Salmons and Thomas.

Splitter makes me think long and hard about that one. Especially since Thomas may be a rental and Salmons wouldn't be a huge improvement over someone like RMJ.

I would do this in a HEARTBEAT. There is no guarantee about Splitter coming next year and I think Thomas is more what the spurs need (an athletic shot blocker next to Duncan) rather than another euro stiff who's going to flounder trying to adjust to the nba. It might take Splitter YEARS to adjust his game and become an effective player. Do the spurs have that much time to waste? No.

[SenorSpur]

Salmons is a better defender by a wide margin..he's an above average defender, while Jefferson is just a flat-out bad defender..he's on the same tier as Mason and Finley from a perimeter defense standpoint IMO..

This is true. One game doesn't make a player's career, but I actually watched him tonight versus the Pacers. Being a good offensive player, I must say that I was slightly impressed with his on-the-ball defense and the way he moves his feet - which is more than I can say for RJ.

[SenorSpur]

Yay or nay?

RMJ, Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi and Splitter for Salmons and Thomas.

Splitter makes me think long and hard about that one. Especially since Thomas may be a rental and Salmons wouldn't be a huge improvement over someone like RMJ.

I would do it, but I would want to keep at least one of the current bigs (Ian or Splitter). After all, Ratliff is likely gone after this year and Dice has been a disappointment thus far, plus he's of advanced age.

[TD 21]

Thomas is an expiring and isn't void of value. No way the Bulls just salary dump him for nothing when his salary is coming off the books anyways.

Thomas has a qualifying offer for over $6 million this off season. The Bulls want cap space, but they don't want to have to tell their fans that for the second straight year they let a asset (Gordon) get away without getting anything in return. On top of that, apparently there's limited interest in Thomas at the moment, so unless he's packaged in some major deal that lands the Bulls Stoudemire (and they're not rumored to be in that sweepstakes) or someone of that ilk, he's being dealt for expiring contracts. As far as I've heard, they don't even care about getting an asset back like a Splitter or a 1st round pick, so the Spurs could probably get away with Bonner, Mason and throw in Mahinmi for Thomas and Pargo.

This is why I keep saying that it's a no-brainer to get an athlete and a raw talent of Thomas' caliber for nothing of significance. This is a rare opportunity and the Spurs need to capitalize on it.

[TJastal]

I would do it, but I would want to keep at least one of the current bigs (Ian or Splitter). After all, Ratliff is likely gone after this year and Dice has been a disappointment thus far, plus he's of advanced age.

We'll still have all of next year's draft picks to refill stock with. Dice is signed for another year (possibly 2 more) and we'll have Blair and Thomas.

I think your panicking for no reason.

[HarlemHeat37]

TD21 is correct..

According to the Chicago Tribune, sources say the Bulls are looking for expiring contracts more than anything in exchange for Thomas-Salmons..

[TJastal]

td21 is correct..

According to the chicago tribune, sources say the bulls are just looking for expiring contracts in exchange for thomas-salmons..

do it pop!

[HarlemHeat37]

btw, Tyrus Thomas' jerseys are on sale on the NBA.com Bulls website..he's the only player that has merchandise on sale..they put them on sale yesterday..

it's pretty much a 100% that he's going to get traded, it's just a matter of where..

[Parker2112]

I would do this in a HEARTBEAT. There is no guarantee about Splitter coming next year and I think Thomas is more what the spurs need (an athletic shot blocker next to Duncan) rather than another euro stiff who's going to flounder trying to adjust to the nba. It might take Splitter YEARS to adjust his game and become an effective player. Do the spurs have that much time to waste? No.

I think the front office has made it more than clear that they believe he'll be here. Also, I've seen him smother Amare with my own two eyes, he's no stiff. He will be able to protect the rim. I think his offense will develop similar to Gasol. I think He will be fine.

[TD 21]

btw, Tyrus Thomas' jerseys are on sale on the NBA.com Bulls website..he's the only player that has merchandise on sale..they put them on sale yesterday..

it's pretty much a 100% that he's going to get traded, it's just a matter of where..

It's one of those trades (Thomas to the Spurs) that makes too much sense not to happen.

I'm half expecting/half hoping for some out of the blue breaking news article from Wojarnowski or Ludden, titled: Spurs acquire Thomas in five player swap. At this point, 8 and a 1/2 days to go, we won't have to wait much longer.

[Blackjack]

I still have faith in this team, believe it or not. I think the biggest problem we have is our inconsistent lineups and specially going small all the time. I think if we're trading for Camby or Thomas, then the FO is basically admitting that small ball is out and we're going back to protecting the paint (among other things). Sure, plenty of other things have to align too. Tony has to get back up to speed and Manu needs to find his shooting touch. But as long as Duncan's knees don't look as shot as last season, I think we have a fighter's chance.

Fair enough. We disagree on the outlook but given yours, Ratliff seeing extended minutes makes sense.

I don't disagree with your logic or how things need to align, it's just not my logic and there's more in my view that needs to align; this team lacks more than the tangible.

This team just isn't comprised of the championship glue and mettle needed in a supporting cast, and there's just no way anyone can convince me that you can win at the highest level when RJ's a $14M player. (I don't begrudge him the pay, it just negatively effects whom you have backing him up; RJ's game doesn't translate to the last five-minutes, so to speak, on a championship-level team, imo.)



Starting to build now for next year is an admission of complete failure and I don't see this FO pulling the plug on this roster this early. If anything, just as a sign of respect to Duncan.

Well, in the case of Thomas-Salmons, it's really killing two birds with one stone. Yeah, sure, it gives you a look-see and the potential to build a little something on the court for next year, but it also addresses legitimate needs this year.

Thomas and Blair would give you some quality versatility on the bench (or in whatever capacity they're used to compliment Tim and 'Dyess) and, in the case of Tyrus, he gives you the ability to pair Tim with a shotblocker regardless of lineup; Thomas would allow Pop to still play 'big', even while guarding small (Tim wouldn't be left with RJ, Fin, Bogans or Mason as often... hopefully:()

The Spurs aren't going to find a stopper at this point, but they'd be served well to find a more well-rounded player. Bogans ain't going to cut it; Mason, even if he can, doesn't seem is going to be allowed to; and a 6-2 Hill can't be your primary and sole defender on the wing. (I purposely left out RJ and Fin. Why is Hairston still in the D-League? I digress ...)

Basically, Salmons provides better RJ insurance than anything they've got and, unlike how I've lived most of my life, that's the type of insurance I wouldn't neglect to purchase.

So I think they make the team better in the very short-term and the shorter term (as in next year), but I definitely think it's a move justifiable with the needs of today; I've yet to really see a better option discussed...

[TJastal]

I think the front office has made it more than clear that they believe he'll be here. Also, I've seen him smother Amare with my own two eyes, he's no stiff. He will be able to protect the rim. I think his offense will develop similar to Gasol. I think He will be fine.

The guy will be a typical stiff in this league.. I think Aaron Gray and Sean Marks will have better and more distinguishable careers and that's even IF he decides to actually come to the nba.

[HarlemHeat37]

It looks like the 4 teams that are rumored to have the most interest in Thomas are San Antonio, Denver, Orlando and Boston..rumors are rumors though, that's it..

[Blackjack]

Splitter's solid, he's just not the second coming or All-Star-type player that some believe him to be. He's easily a number three big and I'd venture to say he'll be a very solid number 2 once he acclimates.

I don't see him translating as well as Gasol, though.

[itzsoweezee]

Thomas sucks. Ask any Bulls fan. There's a reason they want to get rid of him.

What a sad state of affairs that Tyrus freaking Thomas is the Spurs' savior.

I can't believe the Spurs (ie, popovich) have given up on Mahinmi without even giving him a shot. It makes me sick to my stomach. Just like how they completely screwed up the Scola situation.

The morons in the front office have no idea what they're doing anymore if they trade for a guy bordering on retardation like Tyrus Thomas. McDyess and Jefferson have a hard time figuring out the Spurs' "system". You think a mental midget like Thomas will have even close to a clue about what to do? And you're going to give up a polished big man like Splitter for this guy?

[HarlemHeat37]

Actually, most Bulls fans say he has tons of talent but he's just an idiot and it just isn't going to work out for him in Chitown..this is obviously true..he's still young though, he still has the same potential he's always had..he needs guidance..going to a team with Tim Duncan, Antonio McDyess and Theo Ratliff is a perfect situation for him..a top 10 all-time player, a guy that had the same physical attributes before his injury and Ratliff, a guy that made a career for himself as an athletic shot blocker..if he can't get his shit together on this team, then he has no hope for a successful NBA career..

I'm looking more for next year..if he plays well this season, the Spurs would have his rights and keep him for longer, which is why I want to acquire him..this year is over..

If he doesn't get it and continues to be an idiot, then nothing happens..we lose our expiring contracts that we weren't going to use anyways..what's the harm in it?..

I completely agree that giving up Splitter would be stupid, but I don't see why we shouldn't do it for expirings..

[TJastal]

In the games I've watched, Splitter does not play above the rim at all, he lacks the size and shotblocking to be a significant interior roadblock on defense and most of his offensive game is stunted by the same thing. The positive thing about him is that he is fairly nimble and mobile out on the perimeter but then again so is Tyrus Thomas, and with Thomas you get a guy who can really protect the rim.

Splitter's game is nowwhere even close to Gasol's .. as an interior defender, shotblocker, or post player. In fact Splitter does not possess any post moves, he makes his living in the pick and roll and beating small defenders with weak layups. That shit would get swatted into the 4th row in the nba on most nights.

All of which is not going to translate to the NBA level.

Biedrins would own the hell out of this guy as a comparable "white stiff" type player, and Biedrins isn't even that great.

[TJastal]

I almost hope it comes out next week that the spurs couldn't get this trade through because Pop wouldn't throw in Splitter.

Then, when Splitter comes in next year and is way above his head, I'm going to have a field day laughing at all of you.

[itzsoweezee]

In the games I've watched, Splitter does not play above the rim at all, he lacks the size and shotblocking to be a significant interior roadblock on defense and most of his offensive game is stunted by the same thing. The positive thing about him is that he is fairly nimble and mobile out on the perimeter but then again so is Tyrus Thomas, and with Thomas you get a guy who can really protect the rim.

Splitter's game is nowwhere even close to Gasol's .. as an interior defender, shotblocker, or post player. In fact Splitter does not possess any post moves, he makes his living in the pick and roll and beating small defenders with weak layups. That shit would get swatted into the 4th row in the nba on most nights.

All of which is not going to translate to the NBA level.

Biedrins would own the hell out of this guy as a comparable "white stiff" type player, and Biedrins isn't even that great.


Tyrus Thomas is better than Splitter? Wow. Some of the shit I read on here absolutely amazes me. Tyrus Thomas defends the rim? What games have you been watching?

He's a terrible basketball player. He might get to start for a terrible team, if he's lucky. He's already been supplanted by a rookie; the Bulls didn't even think about extending him.

Get it through your heads: Tyrus Thomas SUCKS.

[SenorSpur]

Thomas has a qualifying offer for over $6 million this off season. The Bulls want cap space, but they don't want to have to tell their fans that for the second straight year they let a asset (Gordon) get away without getting anything in return. On top of that, apparently there's limited interest in Thomas at the moment, so unless he's packaged in some major deal that lands the Bulls Stoudemire (and they're not rumored to be in that sweepstakes) or someone of that ilk, he's being dealt for expiring contracts. As far as I've heard, they don't even care about getting an asset back like a Splitter or a 1st round pick, so the Spurs could probably get away with Bonner, Mason and throw in Mahinmi for Thomas and Pargo.

This is why I keep saying that it's a no-brainer to get an athlete and a raw talent of Thomas' caliber for nothing of significance. This is a rare opportunity and the Spurs need to capitalize on it.

I agree. This is a deal that looks to be tailor-made for the Spurs. However, I'd much rather have Salmons than Pargo. We have enough smallish scoring PGs already. And I'd rather dump Finley's expiring deal into the mix and retain Ian for the time being. Finley's contract is worth more and would be a better salary match if Salmons is the other target.

[itzsoweezee]

Actually, most Bulls fans say he has tons of talent but he's just an idiot and it just isn't going to work out for him in Chitown..this is obviously true..he's still young though, he still has the same potential he's always had..he needs guidance..going to a team with Tim Duncan, Antonio McDyess and Theo Ratliff is a perfect situation for him..a top 10 all-time player, a guy that had the same physical attributes before his injury and Ratliff, a guy that made a career for himself as an athletic shot blocker..if he can't get his shit together on this team, then he has no hope for a successful NBA career..

I'm looking more for next year..if he plays well this season, the Spurs would have his rights and keep him for longer, which is why I want to acquire him..this year is over..

If he doesn't get it and continues to be an idiot, then nothing happens..we lose our expiring contracts that we weren't going to use anyways..what's the harm in it?..

I completely agree that giving up Splitter would be stupid, but I don't see why we shouldn't do it for expirings..

It'd make much more sense to let Mahinmi play and see what he can do. He's just as athletic as Thomas, and he's bigger. And it wouldn't require trading away valuable assets, like Splitter.

[HarlemHeat37]

Like I said, I'd be just as happy if the FO made no trades and just let Mahinmi and Hairston get on the court instead of these dead bodies they throw out there..it's obvious that Pop isn't going to play Ian though, probably so the FO isn't embarrassed in case he's good..

[MI21]

It'd make much more sense to let Mahinmi play and see what he can do. He's just as athletic as Thomas, and he's bigger. And it wouldn't require trading away valuable assets, like Splitter.

Tyrus Thomas would be in the top 5% of athletically gifted players in the NBA. Ian Mahinmi, who I actually quite like, is not as athletic as Thomas.

[Parker2112]

In the games I've watched, Splitter does not play above the rim at all, he lacks the size and shotblocking to be a significant interior roadblock on defense and most of his offensive game is stunted by the same thing. The positive thing about him is that he is fairly nimble and mobile out on the perimeter but then again so is Tyrus Thomas, and with Thomas you get a guy who can really protect the rim.

Splitter's game is nowwhere even close to Gasol's .. as an interior defender, shotblocker, or post player. In fact Splitter does not possess any post moves, he makes his living in the pick and roll and beating small defenders with weak layups. That shit would get swatted into the 4th row in the nba on most nights.

Let's just say that Gasol is at the peak of his game right now. He wasn't near as good four to six years ago. I dont think Splitter will come over playing Gasol 2010 well, but he has a knack to put the ball in the hole from close range, and if I remember correctly he had a little hook shot that caught my attention. He has touch, and will produce on offense.

He probably would never be as good as Gasol now, but maybe a young Gasol. Maybe more along the lines of Ilguaskas on offense. As for D, he is as mobile as most seven footers in the league, moreso because of his age. He's not going to compare with a Beidrins, but how many bigs will? If your holding your breath on getting a 7 footer that is beidrins mobile, you may never get your hands on one. Besides, Lamar is comparable, and I wouldnt have beidrins or lamar starting for us without timmy too.

Nevertheless, I dont see him as an all star, but I do see him as a starter and a solid one at that. that will just be one more position that the spurs wont be starting from scratch when the post-TD era begins IMO.

[TJastal]

Tyrus Thomas is better than Splitter? Wow. Some of the shit I read on here absolutely amazes me. Tyrus Thomas defends the rim? What games have you been watching?

He's a terrible basketball player. He might get to start for a terrible team, if he's lucky. He's already been supplanted by a rookie; the Bulls didn't even think about extending him.

Get it through your heads: Tyrus Thomas SUCKS.

Wow, really? He sucks?

The fact of the matter is the only reason the bulls are shopping Thomas is because of the emergence of Taj Gibson, who is fairly athletic himself and whom Del Negro likes more and they want to clear cap room for next year's free agency.

Otherwise, stat-wise Thomas matches offensively everything Gibson has done this year, plus averages more assists, blocks and steals than Gibson by a good margin. And this he has done while coming off the bench and being upset most of the time. Last year his numbers were much better.

He is one of the best athletes in the NBA which is something the spurs desperately need, especially on the frontline. Trust me, they are much better off with Thomas playing the 4 than Jefferson. :lol

And lets not forget what he did in last year's playoff run against the celtics. He was a huge part of their success. I think all he needs is a new situation and I bet he would thrive.

[TJastal]

Itsoweezee, if Thomas doesn't defend the rim, then how the hell did he average in last year's playoff series vs the celtics (in a mere 28 minutes a game) 3 blocks? I can't wait to hear your answer btw, this should be good.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'd never give up Splitter for TT and/or Salmons. Anyone who has watched him play at least a couple of times would probably have the same opinion. The problem is, how likely is it that he comes to the NBA in the summer. And this is something RC and Pop should be quite familiar with by now, while obviously not a certainty. If he's coming, then no way would I want to see the Spurs trading him, if he's not then his value wouldn't be significant enough to throw in any deal.

Either way, I'd much rather the chance to sign Splitter in the summer than the chance to eventually re-sign TT.

[Doe]

Splitter's solid, he's just not the second coming or All-Star-type player that some believe him to be. He's easily a number three big and I'd venture to say he'll be a very solid number 2 once he acclimates.

I don't see him translating as well as Gasol, though.

I'm in the camp that would not give up Splitter for Thomas but that's not because I have lofty expectations for him.

If Splitter can be a more mobile version of Rasho, force players to alter their shots, make smart rotations, and clog the paint then that would be a huge success in my mind.

As for Thomas I don't see a point in not taking a flyer on him. The guy's we'd hypothetically be giving up don't have much, if any future with the Spurs. If he falls flat on his face then oh well, at least they tried.

[Blackjack]

Let's just say that Gasol is at the peak of his game right now. He wasn't near as good four to six years ago. I dont think Splitter will come over playing Gasol 2010 well, but he has a knack to put the ball in the hole from close range, and if I remember correctly he had a little hook shot that caught my attention. He has touch, and will produce on offense.


I'm not sure whom the others were talking about, but the comparison was Marc Gasol; Tiago's actually older. (28 whole days)

He's a really solid 6-11 big that should have a nice career in the league. He's mobile and athletic, even if not elite or explosive; he's intelligent and a nice passer; he has nice hands and touch around the basket; he does well in the screen-and-roll; and he uses he size well when it comes to playing position D.

On the negative, he's not a great rebounder or very good shot blocker; his offense is limited and a bit rudimentary; his finishing in traffic and at the rim has been accused of being soft from time-to-time; and he's a bit of what I call a white-collar player: talented and skilled, not gritty or high-energy.

At best, imo, he's a very solid number two. There's not one player I can really point to as being a great comparison, but I guess Gortat and Biedrins are somewhat similar offensively in the half-court; a lot of screen-and-roll and they're best closest to the basket. (Tiago's a better all-around offensive player than both, however) But I'd give a significant edge to Biedrins and Gortat when it comes to the defensive end. They're better, more physical and disruptive players on that end, and their rebounding is superior.

Still, he's a 25yr. old quality big that's going to be on a modest contract should he come over. If it's an either-or with Thomas and Splitter, and they believe in their hearts he's going to be here next year, I can't see the Spurs going with Thomas.

The only way I see it being an either-or, though, is if Tiago believes there's a logjam he doesn't want to compete with and forces a trade. (whether it be for him or someone else)

I'm sure it's possible, but if I'm the Spurs, I'd just assume have the assets to weigh those options.

[objective]

With or without Splitter in a Thomas deal . . . come on guys. You think Pop would develop Thomas into a real NBA player? This is Pop of the year 2010.

You know he'd screw it up somehow. As much as everyone hates and jokes about smallball I never in my life thought he'd trot out Finley at the 4 with Blair at the 5 to take on Pau Gasol. I mean, that's just through the looking glass.

Pop would doghouse Thomas. You know it. I know it. Pop knows it. Tyrus knows it. Everybody knows it.

Even though I don't think Splitter is likely to come over, the reason I would favor keeping him rather than dumping him even for Tyrus Thomas is because Splitter is very close to a finished product.

That's what Pop likes. That's what he brags about with Blair, that he doesn't have to coach him, he just does his thing. Manu came in, just did his thing. Parker came in after being a starter in France, just did his thing. Oberto had been around a hundred years, he just did his thing. Mason came in, did his thing. Finley came in, did his thing. Horry came in, did his thing.

Splitter is someone Pop would be comfortable with.

Guys who needed some faith and/or coaching get buried until injuries free them (Stephen Jackson), imprisoned and labeled 'not ready' until the fight was already lost (George Hill), or lured into a jungle deathtrap to fall into a deep hole covered over with leaves and left for dead (Ian Mahinmi).

And about Splitter, where the hell do all these "You morons think Splitter will be an all-star!" posts come from? Who has ever pegged him as an all-star? There are guys in the NBA average who 20-10 (Big Al in the past, some others) and currently 16, 10 & 2 (Bogut) and those guys don't make the all-star game. I don't think I've ever seen anyone post that he would be more than a legit starter for the Spurs, and that isn't to hard to envision considering all the refuse that Pop has started the last few years, like Elson, Oberto, or Bonner.

[TJastal]

Guys who needed some faith and/or coaching get buried until injuries free them (Stephen Jackson), imprisoned and labeled 'not ready' until the fight was already lost (George Hill), or lured into a jungle deathtrap to fall into a deep hole covered over with leaves and left for dead (Ian Mahinmi).

And about Splitter, where the hell do all these "You morons think Splitter will be an all-star!" posts come from? Who has ever pegged him as an all-star? There are guys in the NBA average who 20-10 (Big Al in the past, some others) and currently 16, 10 & 2 (Bogut) and those guys don't make the all-star game. I don't think I've ever seen anyone post that he would be more than a legit starter for the Spurs, and that isn't to hard to envision considering all the refuse that Pop has started the last few years, like Elson, Oberto, or Bonner.

That bolded part is sig-worthy. Great quote! :D

If Splitter does decide to come to San Antonio next year (which is doubtful really) I highly doubt he's going to be an impact player for the spurs. The guy has very little athleticism, and is basically stapled to the floor much like Tim Duncan, yet he's shorter and has no post game to speak of. He is not going to compliment Duncan well at all, unless he based his game around being a knockdown perimeter shooter like Nowitski, which he is clearly NOT.

In a league that's getting faster and more athletic by the minute do you guys really think Tiago Splitter is the answer? I'm betting he won't be. At all.

[Bruno]

There is now way I would give up Splitter or a first round pick for a Thomas/Salmons package.

Thomas is a wild gamble with tons of red flags and Salmons is a very average player with a quite unfriendly contract.

A couple of second round picks or the rights to De Colo is the most Spurs should offer. A first or Splitter would be overpaying like they did with the Kurt Thomas trade.

[DMX7]

Splitter isn't ever coming. Just stop it.

[TJastal]

Still laughing about that quote ... esp the part about Ian. :rofl

[Vic Petro]

We can't trade Splitter or draft picks. Who is going to be on this team in two years?

[TJastal]

There is now way I would give up Splitter or a first round pick for a Thomas/Salmons package.

Thomas is a wild gamble with tons of red flags and Salmons is a very average player with a quite unfriendly contract.

A couple of second round picks or the rights to De Colo is the most Spurs should offer. A first or Splitter would be overpaying like they did with the Kurt Thomas trade.

And Splitter is this "sure thing" I suppose huh? He's the "safe" route I suppose. The safe route has done what for us lately? Besides mire us in mediocrity?

[objective]

That bolded part is sig-worthy. Great quote! :D

If Splitter does decide to come to San Antonio next year (which is doubtful really) I highly doubt he's going to be an impact player for the spurs. The guy has very little athleticism, and is basically stapled to the floor much like Tim Duncan, yet he's shorter and has no post game to speak of. He is not going to compliment Duncan well at all, unless he based his game around being a knockdown perimeter shooter like Nowitski, which he is clearly NOT.

In a league that's getting faster and more athletic by the minute do you guys really think Tiago Splitter is the answer? I'm betting he won't be. At all.

thank you, thank you, I also invented the "It isn't the last blow that shatters a dynasty, but all those that came before it." twist that was such a hit yesterday. I'll be here all night folks! *rimshot

Back to Splitter, I've seen him enough to be confident that he can play just fine in the NBA, particularly from how he played against team USA. He's not slow. At least not now while he's young. He sets good picks, plays good fundamental defense, is nimble on his feet, is a useful passer. Brazil was only close to the USA back in 07 because of Splitter, once he left the game their offense fell apart without him to set picks and their defense went to crap as well.

He's not a monster rebounder, then again everyone said Luis Scola was a crap rebounder who was too small for the NBA but all he does is grab double doubles in playoff basketball. I know he was better stat wise with rebounding than Splitter, but you get my point.

[Bruno]

And Splitter is this "sure thing" I suppose huh? He's the "safe" route I suppose. The safe route has done what for us lately? Besides mire us in mediocrity?

You know nothing about Splitter.

[Blackjack]

Even though I don't think Splitter is likely to come over, the reason I would favor keeping him rather than dumping him even for Tyrus Thomas is because Splitter is very close to a finished product.

That's what Pop likes. That's what he brags about with Blair, that he doesn't have to coach him, he just does his thing. Manu came in, just did his thing. Parker came in after being a starter in France, just did his thing. Oberto had been around a hundred years, he just did his thing. Mason came in, did his thing. Finley came in, did his thing. Horry came in, did his thing.

Splitter is someone Pop would be comfortable with.

Completely agree; well said.:tu


And about Splitter, where the hell do all these "You morons think Splitter will be an all-star!" posts come from? Who has ever pegged him as an all-star? There are guys in the NBA average who 20-10 (Big Al in the past, some others) and currently 16, 10 & 2 (Bogut) and those guys don't make the all-star game. I don't think I've ever seen anyone post that he would be more than a legit starter for the Spurs, and that isn't to hard to envision considering all the refuse that Pop has started the last few years, like Elson, Oberto, or Bonner.

:lol

I'm guessing that's some kind of shot at me, even if I never inferred someone was a moron for believing it (although there are the unavoidables), but to say there hasn't been a good amount of wishful thinking in regards to Splitter would have me believe you're being disingenuous or you've been under a rock; it's what fans do.

It's not as ridiculous as it was early on, as he's more of a known quantity these days, but there's still some stragglers here and callers to the local sports talk shows that still believe him to be capable of taking the reins from Tim the way he did with Dave.

I've got nothing against the guy or his ability, I just don't see him being and All-Star type (if that makes it clearer; not Jefferson, Bogut or anyone of that ilk). I'm hoping to see him next year and I don't think the acquiring of Thomas would cost the Spurs his rights.

We'll see . . .

[TJastal]

thank you, thank you, I also invented the "It isn't the last blow that shatters a dynasty, but all those that came before it." twist that was such a hit yesterday. I'll be here all night folks! *rimshot

Back to Splitter, I've seen him enough to be confident that he can play just fine in the NBA, particularly from how he played against team USA. He's not slow. At least not now while he's young. He sets good picks, plays good fundamental defense, is nimble on his feet, is a useful passer. Brazil was only close to the USA back in 07 because of Splitter, once he left the game their offense fell apart without him to set picks and their defense went to crap as well.

He's not a monster rebounder, then again everyone said Luis Scola was a crap rebounder who was too small for the NBA but all he does is grab double doubles in playoff basketball. I know he was better stat wise with rebounding than Splitter, but you get my point.

Okay, fair enough,.. I still think Duncan needs an athlete that can block shots to compliment his weakness of being stapled to the floor.. even if Splitter becomes a solid player (16/10 type or whatever) in the nba I don't think he will fit in w/ Duncan, but I suppose if the spurs are throwing in the towel now they are looking into the future beyond Tim Duncan. I just think its silly to do that when there is still another 2-3 years left in the window and who knows what will happen maybe Jefferson eventually turns it on if he's not forced to play power forward with Thomas on board.

I would still without a doubt give up his rights to get Salmons/Thomas in here.

[TJastal]

You know nothing about Splitter.

I suppose I knew nothing about Pietrus either, huh? How'd that turn out?

:lmao

[objective]

Completely agree; well said.:tu



:lol

I'm guessing that's some kind of shot at me, even if I never inferred someone was a moron for believing it (although there are the unavoidables), but to say there hasn't been a good amount of wishful thinking in regards to Splitter would have me believe you're being disingenuous or you've been under a rock; it's what fans do.

It's not as ridiculous as it was early on, as he's more of a known quantity these days, but there's still some stragglers here and callers to the local sports talk shows that still believe him to be capable of taking the reins from Tim the way he did with Dave.

I've got nothing against the guy or his ability, I just don't see him being and All-Star type (if that makes it clearer; not Jefferson, Bogut or anyone of that ilk). I'm hoping to see him next year and I don't think the acquiring of Thomas would cost the Spurs his rights.

We'll see . . .

It wasn't a shot at you, I didn't remember who was posting 'savior' or 'all-star' about Splitter with their mocking, but it's been more than one poster over the last few months. No offense.

As far as him taking the reins from Tim as from David . . . well, I'll say this: Even though Splitter isn't and never will be Tim or David, or close to it, he would be a lot closer to that impossible goal than Francisco Elson, Fabricio Oberto, Matt Bonner, or Antonio McDyess.

It's not great, but a guy who I think should be a legit starting center and possibly squeak his way into the top 10 is a good piece to have. Now don't get too riled up about me believing he could be the 10th best center in the NBA, there aren't too many great ones and Marc Gasol is one of the better ones. Splitter was in many scouts opinions better than him for the NBA, and good solid defense, good screens, and solid b-ball IQ combined with good footspeed and size get you places.

[HarlemHeat37]

As long as Splitter is good enough to be a legit starter, our frontcourt will be fine for next year, hopefully he actually comes though..while I don't expect him to be an all-star or anything near an all-star, I expect him to be good enough to start for the team, and that will help the Spurs out tremendously when it comes to keeping the title hopes alive for 1 more season(of course other moves will have to be made, like moving RJ)..

[TJastal]

It wasn't a shot at you, I didn't remember who was posting 'savior' or 'all-star' about Splitter with their mocking, but it's been more than one poster over the last few months. No offense.

As far as him taking the reins from Tim as from David . . . well, I'll say this: Even though Splitter isn't and never will be Tim or David, or close to it, he would be a lot closer to that impossible goal than Francisco Elson, Fabricio Oberto, Matt Bonner, or Antonio McDyess.

It's not great, but a guy who I think should be a legit starting center and possibly squeak his way into the top 10 is a good piece to have. Now don't get too riled up about me believing he could be the 10th best center in the NBA, there aren't too many great ones and Marc Gasol is one of the better ones. Splitter was in many scouts opinions better than him for the NBA, and good solid defense, good screens, and solid b-ball IQ combined with good footspeed and size get you places.

Has he gotten bigger or something? Are we talking about Tiago Splitter, a beanpole like 6'11" 245 with no hops? Marc Gasol is an actual physical specimen at 7'1 265.

[objective]

Has he gotten bigger or something? Are we talking about Tiago Splitter, a beanpole like 6'11" 245 with no hops? Marc Gasol is an actual physical specimen at 7'1 265.

Yes, Tiago is 6-11 and sturdy, albeit always with some minor nagging injury and numerous wraps around various limbs.

I'll put it this way: Tiago is much more of a legit center at 6-11 than Tyrus Thomas at 6-8.

[objective]

And I should add that Tiago Splitter isn't someone I would describe as being nailed to the floor. That's more someone like Bourousis.

Splitter can get around really well. And as far as his hops go, I'm pretty sure he has more vert at this point than Tim Duncan does.

[TJastal]

Yes, Tiago is 6-11 and sturdy, albeit always with some minor nagging injury and numerous wraps around various limbs.

I'll put it this way: Tiago is much more of a legit center at 6-11 than Tyrus Thomas at 6-8.

Do the spurs absolutely need a 6'11+ center to help Duncan out? Not necessarily. They much more need an athletic versatile defender who can protect the rim. Thomas with that 9 ft standing reach would make a far better frontcourt pairing with Tim Duncan. If Tyrus Thomas was 6'10-6'11" he'd be battling Dwight Howard for the defensive player of the year because of his incredible athletic talent. But that slightly smaller size actually makes him even more versatile defensively because he has no problem guarding guys out on the perimeter. That versatility makes him easily the best choice IMO. He can guard PF or C, quick or slow, perimeter oriented or post.

I guess you missed the bulls vs celtics 7 game playoff series last year.. TT played a phenomenal series, averaging 3 blocks a game and almost helped the bulls pull off the upset. No reason to think he couldn't have the same impact somewhere else.

[mountainballer]

The Spurs aren't going to find a stopper at this point, but they'd be served well to find a more well-rounded player. Bogans ain't going to cut it; Mason, even if he can, doesn't seem is going to be allowed to; and a 6-2 Hill can't be your primary and sole defender on the wing. (I purposely left out RJ and Fin. Why is Hairston still in the D-League? I digress ...)


maybe the best that TT would bring in, is this stopper potential. (I know, the "stopper" reffered to Salmons or a wing who could be a stopper)
to often we think exclusively about wings when talking about a stopper. but even if TT is clearly a PF on offense, he is capable of defending all SFs and could also take most SGs with his footspeed and wingspan. put him on Kobe? why not, he will look better than all other options. (including Hill).
he will foul to much for a real stopper though.

in general I disagree with most estimations what he could/would be on offense. someone said he is versatile on that end. well maybe versatile about what he tries (what usually his choach didn't want him to even think about) not what he can do effectively.
however, the hope would be, that he realizes that a good impression is crucial for his further career and plays defense as if his life depended on it.

Salmons would be the do a bit of everything player. he can't be the stopper, but he definitely would be an upgrade on defense over either RJ, Fin or Mason. Spurs can't lose on this end by getting him.
and Spurs could play a line up of Tony/Hill-Manu/Hill-Salmons-TT-Tim. that's not an adamant wll by any means, but if Manu and Tony deliver what we know they can, then this line up doesn't have a real liability on defense.

[Supergirl]

IMO anyone other than Tim, Tony, Many, Blair, Bogans, and Hill are up for trading at this point, presuming we get back equal or greater value. That being said, any trade has to be done very cautiously, since their biggest problem is team chemistry and a midseason trade has the potential to make that problem worse.

[jermaine]

IMO anyone other than Tim, Tony, Many, Blair, Bogans, and Hill are up for trading at this point, presuming we get back equal or greater value. That being said, any trade has to be done very cautiously, since their biggest problem is team chemistry and a midseason trade has the potential to make that problem worse.

Manu & Duncan should be the only players on your list and you don't need chemistry to be a weakside shotblocker! That's what TT would bring. Like I said in another post "If dude is so dumb Pop needs to do the same with him like he says he do with Blair NOTHING, just let him go oyt there an do his thang". That's Pops problem now, he wants to run a set play everytime down. The lakers was down 11-0 did Phil jump up, NO he laid back smiling.

[#2!]

After thinking it over, I believe that a move for Tyrus Thomas is not the way to go for the Spurs. Though he does fill a need, there is no guarantee that he'll fit in, and/or get playing time.

But more importantly, he doesn't put us into the elite category this year or next. And if the Spurs make a trade it needs to do one of the two, or more specifically:


The Spurs should not make a trade unless they believe that move puts them into a position to either quickly turn things around and make a run at a title this year, or gives an even newer group time to play together this season and thus be better prepared for next season.

Personally I'd rather see this happen through the movement of one of the three non-TD 10m+ contracts in a "blockbuster" with a team that has a star player who is either 1.) isn't happy, or welcome, where he is and has a longterm contract (Monta Ellis, maybe Andre Igoudala) , or 2.) or appears to be planning on leaving for nothing over the summer (Dwayne Wade continues to be unimpressed with Miami's commitment to winning championships and if a team were able to trade for him they'd basically have a half season audition to prove otherwise)

All three of the players I name above may seem like pipedreams, but my point is that the Spurs are in the business of winning championships and if they don't believe this core can win together then they should aim to do nothing less than assemble one that has a shot while they still have the luxury of not having to find a top tier bigman. If the Spurs believe they can still achieve some of their vision from this past offseason then a simpe move for a solid (solid) wing defender to replace most, if not all, of the Finley/Bogans/Mason clutter.

[5in10]

What David Thorpe said about TT in his espn chat, and he did help TT in one of the summers I believe.



Is everybody wrong about TT? Read today that the Bulls would have trouble trading him because NOBODY wants to deal with his attitude.


David Thorpe
(12:33 PM)
I think it takes a strong and experienced coach to get the best out of him. He'd be great for Jerry Sloan, Pop, Phil, etc.

[5in10]

Thorpe also went on to say that TT was probably the top athlete at his posistion, and also a basketball enthusiast. The latter part meaning he we love to play for a coach with history such as Larry brown, pop, etc.

[sananspursfan21]

Thorpe also went on to say that TT was probably the top athlete at his posistion, and also a basketball enthusiast. The latter part meaning he we love to play for a coach with history such as Larry brown, pop, etc.


this is what i've been trying to say about someone like tyrus thomas. he doesn't have an awesome skillset and won't just tear it up on the stat sheet. what i would hope he would do if he was traded here would be to show enthusiasm (something i've yet to see from you know who). he could bring some energy and maybe his energy could infect the rest of the team. spurs have the talent and the skills obviously to win, they just don't seem to care. i feel like some energy would amplify those skills and who knows, maybe the spurs could look alive again. he is however, only 6'8" though, i'd like to see atleast someone who's 6'10"

[jermaine]

I don't know a lot about this dude but what I saw against the Cs he seems to hav a decent midrange gm. So I just wanna see him & Manu in a P&R so he can finish at the rim.

[portnoy1]

this is what i've been trying to say about someone like tyrus thomas. he doesn't have an awesome skillset and won't just tear it up on the stat sheet. what i would hope he would do if he was traded here would be to show enthusiasm (something i've yet to see from you know who). he could bring some energy and maybe his energy could infect the rest of the team. spurs have the talent and the skills obviously to win, they just don't seem to care. i feel like some energy would amplify those skills and who knows, maybe the spurs could look alive again. he is however, only 6'8" though, i'd like to see atleast someone who's 6'10"
Tyrus Thomas is 6-10!!!! If we deal all our expirings Mason/Finley/Mahinmi/Bonner then we can net Thomas/Salmons.

PG - Parker/Manu
SG - Salmons/Hill
SF - Jefferson/Salmons
PF - Thomas/Blair
C - Duncan/Mcdyess

Odd men out - Bogans/Hairston/Ratliff rotate with Mcdyess at Center to keep both fresh. Thomas can block shots and defend the Dirks/Odoms/Boozers and such that TD cant. Salmons is 6-6 and an even better option than RJ; cause when Dick Jefferson cant cut it (Most every night) Salmons can play the 3spot easily. He also gets a decent amount of steals showing that he plays some kind of defense. Thomas' contract is only for this season. Salmons is for this season and next. After the season Dick Jefferson will have an expiring contract of $15million which can be used to trade and clear space to resign Manu/TThomas/Splitter(if he is really that great) + add piece or 2 in the RJ trade immediately after the season in July.

[20Underrated]

With the Bulls steadily improving in a weak conference, would they be willing to sacrifice wins now to be bigger FA players in the summer? Unless they have disallusions of playoff success, I'd clear the space if I was them.

Deng's contract is not at all desirable but he is a long Lamar Odom equalizer with all-around game that AK47 can't touch.

Thomas is lacking the 7 foot frame but certainly is a defensive presence.

Am I retarded?

Is it worth losing Manu to bring in youth and talent like this?

[5in10]

I think deng is part of the nucleus they want to keep going into this summer, and no way they take jeffersons contract.

[Big P]

Is it possible?

No

[exstatic]

Tyrus Thomas is 6-10!!!! If we deal all our expirings Mason/Finley/Mahinmi/Bonner then we can net Thomas/Salmons.

PG - Parker/Manu
SG - Salmons/Hill
SF - Jefferson/Salmons
PF - Thomas/Blair
C - Duncan/Mcdyess

Odd men out - Bogans/Hairston/Ratliff rotate with Mcdyess at Center to keep both fresh. Thomas can block shots and defend the Dirks/Odoms/Boozers and such that TD cant. Salmons is 6-6 and an even better option than RJ; cause when Dick Jefferson cant cut it (Most every night) Salmons can play the 3spot easily. He also gets a decent amount of steals showing that he plays some kind of defense. Thomas' contract is only for this season. Salmons is for this season and next. After the season Dick Jefferson will have an expiring contract of $15million which can be used to trade and clear space to resign Manu/TThomas/Splitter(if he is really that great) + add piece or 2 in the RJ trade immediately after the season in July.

TT is NOT 6'10". His draft camp measurement was 6'7 1/4" without shoes, 6'8" with. Don't believe every article you read. A lot of teams exaggerate their players measurements.

[Blackjack]

6-10 Matt Bonner and 6-7 Malik Hairston take exception.

[TD 21]

I agree. This is a deal that looks to be tailor-made for the Spurs. However, I'd much rather have Salmons than Pargo. We have enough smallish scoring PGs already. And I'd rather dump Finley's expiring deal into the mix and retain Ian for the time being. Finley's contract is worth more and would be a better salary match if Salmons is the other target.

I'd much rather have Salmons than Pargo too, but I'd be shocked if the Spurs took on Salmons' salary. They're already going to be in tough to re-sign Ginobili this summer and we know they want to bring Splitter over. Pargo would only be around as insurance, in case of an injury or foul trouble to Parker or Hill; he wouldn't actually be in the rotation.

Speaking of Splitter, I'm not sure if this has been posted, but Sheridan had some news on him today (basically just confirming what we already know)...


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=TradeAssets-100210

In San Antonio, the Spurs currently plan to have Brazilian forward Tiago Splitter aboard next season, three years after they drafted him 28th in the first round. (Splitter has been waiting all that time so he will not have to sign under the rookie scale, which would have limited his salary to $900,000 this season.)

The Spurs can now sign him with mid-level or bi-annual exception money

[Blackjack]

Speaking of Splitter, I'm not sure if this has been posted, but Sheridan had some news on him today (basically just confirming what we already know)...


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=TradeAssets-100210

In San Antonio, the Spurs currently plan to have Brazilian forward Tiago Splitter aboard next season, three years after they drafted him 28th in the first round. (Splitter has been waiting all that time so he will not have to sign under the rookie scale, which would have limited his salary to $900,000 this season.)

The Spurs can now sign him with mid-level or bi-annual exception money

Ya know, the cynic in me has me wondering why this would be reported at this time. It isn't news; we've known this for quite some time.

But it makes me wonder if the Spurs want to make it crystal clear, and have been pushing the notion that Splitter will be here next year; it'd only make sense to build a market for him if the Spurs to truly want to get value in return.

Not saying they're eager to trade him, but it seems, at least to me, the Spurs are working the phones and shopping Splitter's rights proactively. (talk about reading into shit...)

[exstatic]

6-10 Matt Bonner and 6-7 Malik Hairston take exception.

Matt Bonner isn't 6'10", either. Tim is a true 6'10" and is clearly taller than Matt. I'd guess Matt to be maybe 6' 8 1/2".

I have no idea if Hairston is listed true or not.

[Boss]

Thomas is a player I'm sure the Spurs will want to go after especially after the Lakers game when we didn't have a defender to match up w/ Lamar Odom and Thomas could be better at guarding Dirk than Bonner or Mcdyess. When we drafted Gist RC was talking about how an athletic 4 is having a big impact in the league, and I believe the Spurs have tried to acquire TT before.

The real reason Bulls r looking to make trades is to free up cap space for next summer and since TT is an expiring it's pointless to trade TT for more expirings they would either want expiring + young talent (Hill or Blair) or find a trade partner willing to take on TT w/ Salmons or Hinrich and that's the dilemia the Spurs will face.

Is it worth trading all of r shooters to land Salmons?

I would not trade Splitter or a 1st rounder. Splitter was the reason for the Scola trade since the Spurs thought he would fit better next to Duncan and I believe the Spurs think very highly of him.

[Blackjack]

I was agreeing with you.

You're right about Bonner and Hairston's 6' 1/4'' without shoes. (he's listed as 6-6 or 6-7 in just about all the E-N Game Previews)

Just like Tim's closer to 6-10 than 7-0, what player's are listed at, for varying reasons, is often exaggerated or off the mark. (for example: Houston and San Antonio exaggerated for a Twin Towers marketing campaign; Hakeem was closer to 6-9 and Tim's probably a little over 6-10.)

[rascal]

I'll be most interested in what the Bulls do. I've heard they don't really care about this season because they want to build a contending team by signing free agents this summer. With the cap being a question mark it is possible that Deng is moved.

Thomas would be the one they would rather move.

[HarlemHeat37]

Thomas looks good tonight..he's made some impressive drives to the basket against Howard and Gortat..

[TD 21]

IMO anyone other than Tim, Tony, Many, Blair, Bogans, and Hill are up for trading at this point, presuming we get back equal or greater value. That being said, any trade has to be done very cautiously, since their biggest problem is team chemistry and a midseason trade has the potential to make that problem worse.

Bogans is "not up for trading" in your mind, seriously?

If there's no team chemistry to begin with, then how could another trade make it worse? It could only stay the same or get better. This team needs to improve themselves if they intend to be a contender again with what's left of the Duncan era (and by all accounts, they do). Standing pat for fear of changing something that already doesn't work is not how they're going to do it.


Ya know, the cynic in me has me wondering why this would be reported at this time. It isn't news; we've known this for quite some time.

But it makes me wonder if the Spurs want to make it crystal clear, and have been pushing the notion that Splitter will be here next year; it'd only make sense to build a market for him if the Spurs to truly want to get value in return.

Not saying they're eager to trade him, but it seems, at least to me, the Spurs are working the phones and shopping Splitter's rights proactively. (talk about reading into shit...)

If the Spurs think Splitter is even 50/50, then they need to be concerned. This franchise can't afford to get nothing out of that asset. If they talked a team into acquiring him for something relatively significant and he didn't come out though, the Spurs organization would look real bad around the league. Teams would be reluctant to deal with them going forward because that's unethical.

I don't get that sense at all. Maybe they'd throw him in as a sweetner to be able to dump Jefferson's contract now, but nobody is going to bite even if they did. Including him in a trade for Thomas or someone of that ilk is both unnecessary and foolish. Unless it's in a trade that nets the Spurs Iguodala or someone of similar value, they should hang onto Splitter.


I was agreeing with you.

You're right about Bonner and Hairston's 6' 1/4'' without shoes. (he's listed as 6-6 or 6-7 in just about all the E-N Game Previews)

Just like Tim's closer to 6-10 than 7-0, what player's are listed at, for varying reasons, is often exaggerated or off the mark. (for example: Houston and San Antonio exaggerated for a Twin Towers marketing campaign; Hakeem was closer to 6-9 and Tim's probably a little over 6-10.)

I'm fairly certain Duncan is a full 6-11. Nowitzki isn't noticeably taller than him and he's listed at 7-0, but Duncan is noticeably taller than, say, Bosh, who's listed at 6-10. Olajuwon I've heard is about 6-9 1/2. You know who (among many others) I'm fairly certain is exaggerated? Howard and Stoudemire. Howard looks to be about 6-10 and Stoudemire, we've seen him attempt to defend Duncan in the post, he can't be over 6-9, at most. Bynum and Gasol are taller than they're listed, though. Both are probably a full 7-1.

[duncan228]

I'm fairly certain Duncan is a full 6-11. Nowitzki isn't noticeably taller than him and he's listed at 7-0, but Duncan is noticeably taller than, say, Bosh, who's listed at 6-10.

I think Duncan is between 6'10 and 6'11. It's hard to tell in pics, no matter who he's with. And he slouches, which makes it even harder.

He's never been 7'0, that's for sure. The 'Twin Towers' was marketing on the Spurs part. Duncan was listed as 7'0 in the Media Guides until Robinson retired. Duncan asked them to change it, it went to 6'11 in the '03-'04 issue.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x282/duncan228/all%20star/allstar08-1.jpg

[ace3g]

Yeah Thomas did look good tonight against the Magic: 16 pts, 6 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 block and only 2 fouls in 35 minutes

Salmons had 12 pts, 3 boards, 1 steal, 1 blk in 32 minutes

[HarlemHeat37]

To be fair, most of his damage was against the Magic bench, although Orlando might have the best bench in the NBA..

[TD 21]

I think Duncan is between 6'10 and 6'11. It's hard to tell in pics, no matter who he's with. And he slouches, which makes it even harder.

He's never been 7'0, that's for sure. The 'Twin Towers' was marketing on the Spurs part. Duncan was listed as 7'0 in the Media Guides until Robinson retired. Duncan asked them to change it, it went to 6'11 in the '03-'04 issue.

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Yeah, it is hard to tell. I remember that picture from the '07 or '08 All-Star game; it looked weird then and it does now. I've seen Duncan and Nowitzki in close enough proximity enough times to know that there's not that big a gap between them in height. In that picture, it appears there's about 3.5 inches, which isn't the case. There's at most a 1 inch difference.

You're right, he does slouch. I remember one time seeing him in a picture with Robinson and he looked about 3-3.5 inches smaller. Still other times I've seen the two of them and thought there was about a 2 inch difference.

Draftexpress, for what it's worth, lists him as 6'11'' without shoes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSqrJSezg0c

Between 7-8 minute mark. It's not exactly clear, but this much is certain: there's nowhere near the gap in height that there is in that photo.

[Blackjack]

TD's probably close to 7-0 in shoes; Dirk's actually 7-1 in shoes (by his own admission).

Without shoes, Bosh is listed 6-10 1/4, Dwight's listed at 6-9, and Amar'e's listed at 6-8 1/4.

I think Bosh's height looks to be a tad generous but it's feasible; Dwight's and Amar'e's is about where I expected it. I just don't think there's ever been as many 7-footers as we've been made to believe (it's like every one of us that's around 6-foot, claiming we're in fact 6-foot, even if most aren't quite that tall).

I don't know if you remember 'Zo coming into the league, but he was considered an undersized center when he broke in; he was a legit 6-10. Dave, Ewing, Shaq, Smits, Daugherty, etc., were legit 7-footers, and it seemed like every team had someone coming off the bench of equal size (even if scrubtastic). So I don't know if 7-footers are becoming fewer in numbers or if their skill sets are taking them further away from the basket (playing in ways that deceive the eye), but something's definitely changed.

When I think of Tim's contemporaries and competition since he's been in the league, there's not a lot of 7-footers of note: Shaq (~7-1), KG (7-0), Dirk (7-0), and Pau and Bynum are both a little over 7-0. Jermaine O'Neal is comparable to Bosh, 'Sheed's about the same size as Tim, Webber was probably about the same size as Dwight and a guy like Brand's around 6-8.

Tim's been my measuring stick of sorts (if you're taller, your probably 7-0, And if you're shorter, you're likely no taller than 6-10)

Having said all that, and it was more than I planned on, height is highly overrated if you don't have length.

Tim, 'Sheed, KG, Pau (ridiculous wingspan), Howard, among others, are long. A guy like Thomas, standing 6-7 1/4 without shoes, with a 7-3 wingspan and 9-0 standing reach, (Blair's is 7-2 and 8-10 1/2, for a frame of reference) combines his freakish athleticism and length to get the job done. Elton Brand is another undersized post-player, but his incredible length made him one of the better shotblockers in the league for a good stretch there.

Sean always likes to say he's never seen a player rebound or block a shot with the top of his head, and he's absolutely right. It definitely doesn't hurt to have the height to go along with the length, it's just not as important as some think.

[Blackjack]

If the Spurs think Splitter is even 50/50, then they need to be concerned. This franchise can't afford to get nothing out of that asset. If they talked a team into acquiring him for something relatively significant and he didn't come out though, the Spurs organization would look real bad around the league. Teams would be reluctant to deal with them going forward because that's unethical.

I don't get that sense at all. Maybe they'd throw him in as a sweetner to be able to dump Jefferson's contract now, but nobody is going to bite even if they did. Including him in a trade for Thomas or someone of that ilk is both unnecessary and foolish. Unless it's in a trade that nets the Spurs Iguodala or someone of similar value, they should hang onto Splitter.

My only intention was to say that they're trying to get him viewed as more than a throw-in. They want him to be a sweetener enticing enough to put a deal over the top; something like putting the thought in GS's mind that he could be a cheap, cost-cutting replacement for Biedrins, for example.

I think most, especially given his Draft history, all but gave up on the idea of him helping an NBA team. It's doubtful most knew the loophole to give a player 3 years removed from the Draft a LLE or MLE-type contract to circumvent the rookie-scale. And most probably wrote him off after what happened the last time the Spurs tried to bring him over. (most might be an exaggeration, but there's definitely some hesitation; rightly so.)

The fact that this was being reported at this juncture, just made me think Splitter's become part of the chatter that always picks up this time of year. And even if it's just me reading into it, which I readily admitted from the jump, I could easily see the Spurs making sure this type of information got out, as in a way to generate interest and maybe see if they could get any bites; if Splitter's thought to be coming over, and a team knows he'll be forced to take a reasonable deal, it's just a much better position to be in for the Spurs.

[TD 21]

TD's probably close to 7-0 in shoes; Dirk's actually 7-1 in shoes (by his own admission).

Without shoes, Bosh is listed 6-10 1/4, Dwight's listed at 6-9, and Amar'e's listed at 6-8 1/4.

I think Bosh's height looks to be a tad generous but it's feasible; Dwight's and Amar'e's is about where I expected it. I just don't think there's ever been as many 7-footers as we've been made to believe (it's like every one of us that's around 6-foot, claiming we're in fact 6-foot, even if most aren't quite that tall).

I don't know if you remember 'Zo coming into the league, but he was considered an undersized center when he broke in; he was a legit 6-10. Dave, Ewing, Shaq, Smits, Daugherty, etc., were legit 7-footers, and it seemed like every team had someone coming off the bench of equal size (even if scrubtastic). So I don't know if 7-footers are becoming fewer in numbers or if their skill sets are taking them further away from the basket (playing in ways that deceive the eye), but something's definitely changed.

When I think of Tim's contemporaries and competition since he's been in the league, there's not a lot of 7-footers of note: Shaq (~7-1), KG (7-0), Dirk (7-0), and Pau and Bynum are both a little over 7-0. Jermaine O'Neal is comparable to Bosh, 'Sheed's about the same size as Tim, Webber was probably about the same size as Dwight and a guy like Brand's around 6-8.

Tim's been my measuring stick of sorts (if you're taller, your probably 7-0, And if you're shorter, you're likely no taller than 6-10)

Having said all that, and it was more than I planned on, height is highly overrated if you don't have length.

Tim, 'Sheed, KG, Pau (ridiculous wingspan), Howard, among others, are long. A guy like Thomas, standing 6-7 1/4 without shoes, with a 7-3 wingspan and 9-0 standing reach, (Blair's is 7-2 and 8-10 1/2, for a frame of reference) combines his freakish athleticism and length to get the job done. Elton Brand is another undersized post-player, but his incredible length made him one of the better shotblockers in the league for a good stretch there.

Sean always likes to say he's never seen a player rebound or block a shot with the top of his head, and he's absolutely right. It definitely doesn't hurt to have the height to go along with the length, it's just not as important as some think.

I'm certain that Bosh and Howard are of equal height. Keep in mind, for the high school guys in particular, they could have grown. Dunleavy Jr. grew 6 inches after the age of 18.

In general, I think you're right. I've never understood why with basketball players people go (if the guy is 6-10 or so) "he's a 7-0 footer". They'd never do the same with a 5-10 guy. They wouldn't go "he's 6-0", they'd go "he's 5-10". Why would the same not apply with guys approximately a foot taller?

I know, the league used to be bigger. Look at how many teams are playing PF's as C's.

Again I agree: Length in conjunction with height is important. Look at Bonner, who's probably about 6-9 in shoes. He's not that undersized, but because he has no length (nor athleticism/quickness) he has absolutely no presence defensively. McDyess, who's also 6-9, has decent length and because of it, he looks, at least to me, bigger than Bonner, even though he's not. Ratliff, who's 6-10, gives the impression that he's a 7-0 footer because of his length and his presence defensively.

There's no point in me continuing to ramble on, other than to say I agree with all of this.

[TD 21]

My only intention was to say that they're trying to get him viewed as more than a throw-in. They want him to be a sweetener enticing enough to put a deal over the top; something like putting the thought in GS's mind that he could be a cheap, cost-cutting replacement for Biedrins, for example.

I think most, especially given his Draft history, all but gave up on the idea of him helping an NBA team. It's doubtful most knew the loophole to give a player 3 years removed from the Draft a LLE or MLE-type contract to circumvent the rookie-scale. And most probably wrote him off after what happened the last time the Spurs tried to bring him over. (most might be an exaggeration, but there's definitely some hesitation; rightly so.)

The fact that this was being reported at this juncture, just made me think Splitter's become part of the chatter that always picks up this time of year. And even if it's just me reading into it, which I readily admitted from the jump, I could easily see the Spurs making sure this type of information got out, as in a way to generate interest and maybe see if they could get any bites; if Splitter's thought to be coming over, and a team knows he'll be forced to take a reasonable deal, it's just a much better position to be in for the Spurs.

I think you're reading too much into it. I'd be surprised if Splitter doesn't have more value than as a thrown-in. I doubt the generally fiscally responsible Spurs would rather pay significantly more for Biedrins than Splitter, when, when it's all said and done Splitter will probably end up being in Biedrins' league as a player.

A lot of these GM's are stupid, but they're not that inept, to the point where they wouldn't know something like that about the CBA. At least I can't imagine they would be, anyway.

I think you misunderstood the premise of the article. Sheridan is saying that these are valuable assets that could figure into deadline deals, not necessarily "this is what/who's being shopped"; big difference.

[Blackjack]

We're definitely on the same page.:tu

As it pertains to Bosh and Howard, and it's with this way across the board, their body-types probably deceive the eye more than anything.

I'm guessing they're probably both pretty close to 6-10, Dwight's bulk and Bosh's slender build just don't allow to you to get a real precise read by comparison.

[TD 21]

We're definitely on the same page.:tu

As it pertains to Bosh and Howard, and it's with this way across the board, their body-types probably deceive the eye more than anything.

I'm guessing they're probably both pretty close to 6-10, Dwight's bulk and Bosh's slender build just don't allow to you to get a real precise read by comparison.

Because they're good friends, I've seen them standing beside each other many a time; they're clearly dead even in terms of height.

Speaking of the lack of young true centers, Howard is another guy that broke in as a PF. If you put him in the 90s in the NBA, he'd probably play more PF than C. In today's game, he's strictly a C. That gives you an indication of how much things have changed.

[Blackjack]

I think you're reading too much into it. I'd be surprised if Splitter doesn't have more value than as a thrown-in. I doubt the generally fiscally responsible Spurs would rather pay significantly more for Biedrins than Splitter, when, when it's all said and done Splitter will probably end up being in Biedrins' league as a player.

A lot of these GM's are stupid, but they're not that inept, to the point where they wouldn't know something like that about the CBA. At least I can't imagine they would be, anyway.

I think you misunderstood the premise of the article. Sheridan is saying that these are valuable assets that could figure into deadline deals, not necessarily "this is what/who's being shopped"; big difference.

No, you missed the trade proposal I was discussing earlier.

The Spurs wouldn't get Biedrins, they'd get Maggette and Randolph. Splitter would be a sweetener because they're looking to shed payroll and acquiring Tiago could be a low-cost replacement for Biedrins. They could then trade Andris in a separate deal, one that has nothing to do with the Spurs, to acquire someone else that fits their business model and plans moving forward.

[Blackjack]

Because they're good friends, I've seen them standing beside each other many a time; they're clearly dead even in terms of height.

Speaking of the lack of young true centers, Howard is another guy that broke in as a PF. If you put him in the 90s in the NBA, he'd probably play more PF than C. In today's game, he's strictly a C. That gives you an indication of how much things have changed.

That's what always kind of made me laugh about these recent Pistons and their dominant front line (defensively, that is). They were, all things considered, power forwards.

The game's definitely changed in that respect, and I'm not sure it will ever go back...

[Duncan21kid]

10 pages into this thread.... is there strong evidence that the Spurs might actually make a serious move before the trade deadline ?

[duncan228]

Bulls not lacking for Thomas suitors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-thomasbulls021010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

After the Chicago Bulls suspended forward Tyrus Thomas for losing his temper with coach Vinny Del Negro, an interesting thing happened: More teams started calling the franchise’s front office wanting to talk about a trade.

Everyone understood Chicago executives are now determined to move Thomas, and a clear price has been established for suitors: Expiring contracts and a 2010 or future first-round draft pick, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. The Bulls are also exploring ways to package Thomas with guard Kirk Hinrich to free themselves of his contract.

The Charlotte Bobcats bid Acie Law, Flip Murray and their 2010 first-round pick, a league executive said. The Bobcats have been searching for a long, athletic forward like Thomas, the fourth pick in the 2007 draft, and are expected to be aggressive pursuers. Portland Trail Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard made an offer they’ll have to improve upon to be taken seriously – one of his expiring contracts (Steve Blake or Travis Outlaw) and two future second-round draft picks.

The New York Knicks, Sacramento Kings, San Antonio Spurs, Denver Nuggets and New Orleans Hornets are among the multiple teams who’ve spoken to Chicago about Thomas. The Bulls are telling people that they have several teams willing to offer first-round picks – in 2010 or beyond.

Bulls management is telling teams they expect to take the bidding right to the Feb. 18 deadline. The Bulls want to avoid the possibility of Thomas accepting a $6.2 million qualifying offer on the eve of this summer’s free agency, which would deliver a major dent to their salary-cap space. Thomas, 23, will be a restricted free agent this summer.

The Bulls are desperate to recruit Miami’s Dwyane Wade back to his hometown, but one source familiar with Wade’s thinking says he’s ”far less” inclined to bolt Miami unless Chicago has the ability to sign a ”significant” free agent to join him.

[TD 21]

No, you missed the trade proposal I was discussing earlier.

The Spurs wouldn't get Biedrins, they'd get Maggette and Randolph. Splitter would be a sweetener because they're looking to shed payroll and acquiring Tiago could be a low-cost replacement for Biedrins. They could then trade Andris in a separate deal, one that has nothing to do with the Spurs, to acquire someone else that fits their business model and plans moving forward.

Oh, well that makes more sense.


That's what always kind of made me laugh about these recent Pistons and their dominant front line (defensively, that is). They were, all things considered, power forwards.

The game's definitely changed in that respect, and I'm not sure it will ever go back...

They were. Wallace (Ben) broke in as an undersized power forward. He eventually became strictly a center.

I don't think it will. It's kind of unfortunate, too. Positionally, a mockery has been made of the game. Because Blair is a post-up player, with little to no shooting range and he's not adept at guarding mobile power forwards, he's basically a center. It looks foolish to see a 6-6 guy playing the middle, yet he is and on top of that, he's paired with a 6-9 power forward who's strictly a 3-point shooter. It's good that most of those 7-0 foot+, slow, unskilled plodders have been weeded out, but seeing undersized power forwards playing center just looks wrong/weird.

I agree with those who think this is golden age for the league, in terms of overall talent, but the game has been dumbed down in the process. So much of the game is pick-and-roll or high-screen; how many plays are actually being run? That's what I liked about watching the Spurs in their heyday, the fact that they actually ran an offense that consisted of more than one or two plays; it was nice to see. Now, they're slowly but surely drifting into just another team. Everything is either a pick-and-roll or a post-up. Whatever happened to guard around or wedge roll?

[TD 21]

Bulls not lacking for Thomas suitors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-thomasbulls021010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

After the Chicago Bulls suspended forward Tyrus Thomas for losing his temper with coach Vinny Del Negro, an interesting thing happened: More teams started calling the franchise’s front office wanting to talk about a trade.

Everyone understood Chicago executives are now determined to move Thomas, and a clear price has been established for suitors: Expiring contracts and a 2010 or future first-round draft pick, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. The Bulls are also exploring ways to package Thomas with guard Kirk Hinrich to free themselves of his contract.

The Charlotte Bobcats bid Acie Law, Flip Murray and their 2010 first-round pick, a league executive said. The Bobcats have been searching for a long, athletic forward like Thomas, the fourth pick in the 2007 draft, and are expected to be aggressive pursuers. Portland Trail Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard made an offer they’ll have to improve upon to be taken seriously – one of his expiring contracts (Steve Blake or Travis Outlaw) and two future second-round draft picks.

The New York Knicks, Sacramento Kings, San Antonio Spurs, Denver Nuggets and New Orleans Hornets are among the multiple teams who’ve spoken to Chicago about Thomas. The Bulls are telling people that they have several teams willing to offer first-round picks – in 2010 or beyond.

Bulls management is telling teams they expect to take the bidding right to the Feb. 18 deadline. The Bulls want to avoid the possibility of Thomas accepting a $6.2 million qualifying offer on the eve of this summer’s free agency, which would deliver a major dent to their salary-cap space. Thomas, 23, will be a restricted free agent this summer.

The Bulls are desperate to recruit Miami’s Dwyane Wade back to his hometown, but one source familiar with Wade’s thinking says he’s ”far less” inclined to bolt Miami unless Chicago has the ability to sign a ”significant” free agent to join him.

Shit, it's now going to take a 1st round pick as well. I still say it's worth it, only now it's not quite the steal or no brainer it was before.

To Bulls: Mason, Bonner, Mahinmi, '10 1st round pick

To Spurs: Thomas, Pargo

If the Spurs offer that, that definitely beats the Bobcats offer. Off the top of my head, this is probably the best the Bulls can do, short of finding a team willing to take Hinrich or Salmons. If that's the case, then you can more than likely rule the Spurs out. In my theoretical trade, the Bulls get another athletic, young big, who doubles as an expiring contract, back and they get two fairly sizable (combined) expiring contracts. The Bobcats offer wouldn't net them as much savings and they don't get a guy with any upside, unless you count Law; I don't.

[timvp]

Yeah, it made no sense to me for the Bulls to trade Ty Thomas for nothing. Surprising that it was a Chicago newspaper that had that illogical take.

I know Thomas' value has taken a hit but there's no way he's a salary dump at this point.

[Blackjack]

Denver's shopping for another big to add to their fleet (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/denvers-shopping-for-another-big-to-add-to-their-fleet.php)
By Matt Moore

With Nene, Kenyon Martin, Birdman Anderson, and Carmelo Anthony, along with some bench guys in a pinch, you'd think the Nuggets, sitting in the 2nd seed would be feeling pretty good about their team and in particular their frontcourt. And you would be wrong for thinking so.

The Denver Post reports that Denver is considering a trade for a big to contend with the Lakers' unbelievable length. Two specific targets mentioned are Tyrus Thomas of the Bulls and Marcus Camby of the Clippers. George Karl said that the roster may be good enough to get the Nuggets where they want to go as long as they stay healthy. The problem with that thinking is that with a week before the trade deadline, the Nuggets are forced to try and forsee that injury before it occurs. Which is difficult unless you're on some sort of chemical Birdman used to frequent.

Camby fits with that roster, and would probably welcome a trip back to Denver. Thomas, on the other hand, is known as a headcase. So on the one hand you've got old and expensive versus young and brash. All this for a team with veteran leadership, an MVP candidate, two All-Stars, and the second seed in a tough Western Conference. Beggars can't be choosers, but apparently kings can.

[timvp]

Shit, it's now going to take a 1st round pick as well. I still say it's worth it, only now it's not quite the steal or no brainer it was before.

To Bulls: Mason, Bonner, Mahinmi, '10 1st round pick

To Spurs: Thomas, Pargo

If the Spurs offer that, that definitely beats the Bobcats offer. Off the top of my head, this is probably the best the Bulls can do, short of finding a team willing to take Hinrich or Salmons. If that's the case, then you can more than likely rule the Spurs out. In my theoretical trade, the Bulls get another athletic, young big, who doubles as an expiring contract, back and they get two fairly sizable (combined) expiring contracts. The Bobcats offer wouldn't net them as much savings and they don't get a guy with any upside, unless you count Law; I don't.

In a straight up trade for Thomas, the Bobcats can offer Law, Murray and a first rounder and blow that Spurs deal out of the water. A first rounder from Charlotte is much more valuable. Plus, Mahinmi's contractual severely limits his value. You can't really count him as an asset at this point.

It sounds like the only way the Spurs can get Thomas is if they give the Bulls a first rounder AND take a bad contract.

That's a lot.

[TJastal]

Bulls not lacking for Thomas suitors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-thomasbulls021010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

After the Chicago Bulls suspended forward Tyrus Thomas for losing his temper with coach Vinny Del Negro, an interesting thing happened: More teams started calling the franchise’s front office wanting to talk about a trade.

Everyone understood Chicago executives are now determined to move Thomas, and a clear price has been established for suitors: Expiring contracts and a 2010 or future first-round draft pick, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. The Bulls are also exploring ways to package Thomas with guard Kirk Hinrich to free themselves of his contract.

The Charlotte Bobcats bid Acie Law, Flip Murray and their 2010 first-round pick, a league executive said. The Bobcats have been searching for a long, athletic forward like Thomas, the fourth pick in the 2007 draft, and are expected to be aggressive pursuers. Portland Trail Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard made an offer they’ll have to improve upon to be taken seriously – one of his expiring contracts (Steve Blake or Travis Outlaw) and two future second-round draft picks.

The New York Knicks, Sacramento Kings, San Antonio Spurs, Denver Nuggets and New Orleans Hornets are among the multiple teams who’ve spoken to Chicago about Thomas. The Bulls are telling people that they have several teams willing to offer first-round picks – in 2010 or beyond.

Bulls management is telling teams they expect to take the bidding right to the Feb. 18 deadline. The Bulls want to avoid the possibility of Thomas accepting a $6.2 million qualifying offer on the eve of this summer’s free agency, which would deliver a major dent to their salary-cap space. Thomas, 23, will be a restricted free agent this summer.

The Bulls are desperate to recruit Miami’s Dwyane Wade back to his hometown, but one source familiar with Wade’s thinking says he’s ”far less” inclined to bolt Miami unless Chicago has the ability to sign a ”significant” free agent to join him.

Spurs will be LUCKY to land Tyrus Thomas with this much interest he's garnering around the league. Spurs probably aren't going to be able to make enough of an offer even with Splitter included to win the sweepstakes.

Fucking hilarious that spurs' fans don't even want to include a guy who is anyone's guess whether or not he ever even comes to the NBA.

Really pathetic.

[TD 21]

Yeah, it made no sense to me for the Bulls to trade Ty Thomas for nothing. Surprising that it was a Chicago newspaper that had that illogical take.

I know Thomas' value has taken a hit but there's no way he's a salary dump at this point.

It made no sense to me either. I guess the Bulls finally just came to their senses. Honestly, though, this is the first report that says they're looking for a 1st round pick. Before it was just expiring contracts.


Denver's shopping for another big to add to their fleet (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/denvers-shopping-for-another-big-to-add-to-their-fleet.php)
By Matt Moore

With Nene, Kenyon Martin, Birdman Anderson, and Carmelo Anthony, along with some bench guys in a pinch, you'd think the Nuggets, sitting in the 2nd seed would be feeling pretty good about their team and in particular their frontcourt. And you would be wrong for thinking so.

The Denver Post reports that Denver is considering a trade for a big to contend with the Lakers' unbelievable length. Two specific targets mentioned are Tyrus Thomas of the Bulls and Marcus Camby of the Clippers. George Karl said that the roster may be good enough to get the Nuggets where they want to go as long as they stay healthy. The problem with that thinking is that with a week before the trade deadline, the Nuggets are forced to try and forsee that injury before it occurs. Which is difficult unless you're on some sort of chemical Birdman used to frequent.

Camby fits with that roster, and would probably welcome a trip back to Denver. Thomas, on the other hand, is known as a headcase. So on the one hand you've got old and expensive versus young and brash. All this for a team with veteran leadership, an MVP candidate, two All-Stars, and the second seed in a tough Western Conference. Beggars can't be choosers, but apparently kings can.

The Nuggets don't have the assets to get a deal done. Can't see it happening.


In a straight up trade for Thomas, the Bobcats can offer Law, Murray and a first rounder and blow that Spurs deal out of the water. A first rounder from Charlotte is much more valuable. Plus, Mahinmi's contractual severely limits his value. You can't really count him as an asset at this point.

It sounds like the only way the Spurs can get Thomas is if they give the Bulls a first rounder AND take a bad contract.

That's a lot.

Depends on how the two teams finish. As of right now, the two teams are close in the standings. The Spurs deal (not that he's a superstar) get's him out of the conference, which I always think, if the offers are close enough, is the way to go, nets them more savings and allows them to take a flier on a young, athletic front court player to replace Thomas, which they need. The Bulls have no depth and with Thomas about to be traded and Miller likely on his way out, if not at the deadline, then probably in the off season, they could use Mahinmi as a cheap fourth or fifth big because all they got left is Noah, Gibson and combo forward Johnson.

I don't think the Spurs will have to take a bad contract, but we'll see. Obviously, the Bulls preference, in order, is to saddle someone with Hinrich or Salmons, along with Thomas. Anyone willing to take them get's Thomas. Outside of that, I'd say the Spurs have a fairly good chance.

[TJastal]

Denver's shopping for another big to add to their fleet (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/denvers-shopping-for-another-big-to-add-to-their-fleet.php)
By Matt Moore

With Nene, Kenyon Martin, Birdman Anderson, and Carmelo Anthony, along with some bench guys in a pinch, you'd think the Nuggets, sitting in the 2nd seed would be feeling pretty good about their team and in particular their frontcourt. And you would be wrong for thinking so.

The Denver Post reports that Denver is considering a trade for a big to contend with the Lakers' unbelievable length. Two specific targets mentioned are Tyrus Thomas of the Bulls and Marcus Camby of the Clippers. George Karl said that the roster may be good enough to get the Nuggets where they want to go as long as they stay healthy. The problem with that thinking is that with a week before the trade deadline, the Nuggets are forced to try and forsee that injury before it occurs. Which is difficult unless you're on some sort of chemical Birdman used to frequent.

Camby fits with that roster, and would probably welcome a trip back to Denver. Thomas, on the other hand, is known as a headcase. So on the one hand you've got old and expensive versus young and brash. All this for a team with veteran leadership, an MVP candidate, two All-Stars, and the second seed in a tough Western Conference. Beggars can't be choosers, but apparently kings can.

Camby would be better for the nuggets IMO. They have plenty of athletic leapers on their frontline where the spurs are practically destitute of any. Hopefully if the nuggets make a deal it would be for Camby and the spurs get Thomas. :smokin

[Crazymaddopeyo]

It sounds like the only way the Spurs can get Thomas is if they give the Bulls a first rounder AND take a bad contract.

That's a lot.

I thought the Spurs couldn't give another 1st round trade anyway since they already did give one in 09?

[Bruno]

With the way things goes, Spurs' 2010 first round pick won't be a late one. Bulls could instead ask for Spurs' 2011 first round pick to have more capspace in 2010, but it likely won't be a late first round pick.

Giving up a mid first round pick for a risky gamble like Tyrus Thomas? It makes no sense.

[HarlemHeat37]

If they want the 1st rounder, I'd probably say no, but only if the FO assumes we can get something good in return for Jefferson's contract next season..