States With Most Gun Laws Have Fewest Gun Deaths

[TSA]

Protest group plans July 4 march on Washington with loaded rifles

An Iraq war veteran and Internet talk show host is trying to gather thousands of protesters to march into the District on Independence Day with loaded rifles on their backs.

But if Adam Kokesh follows through with his July 4 plans — 2,500 people have signed up for the cause — he and his makeshift band will be met on the Arlington Memorial Bridge by two police forces packing guns of their own.
Kokesh, 31, and D.C. Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier say they want to work together to ensure a peaceful airing of grievances. But the chief says only one side can have guns: hers. And she’ll have backup from the U.S. Park Police, which will also position officers at the District line.

“If you’re coming here to protest government policy, great,” Lanier said Tuesday on her monthly appearance on NewsChannel 8, reacting to the group’s plan to cross the Potomac River from Arlington National Cemetery. “If you’re coming here to break the law, we’ll take action.”

Lanier added, “There’s a pretty good chance we’ll meet them on the D.C. side of the bridge.”

Kokesh is calling the event an “Open Carry March” but described it as a general demonstration against “tyranny,” not a protest against specific gun laws.
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Marching on D.C. with loaded weapons? Hope they are ready for felony charges. Stupid idea if you ask me.

[boutons_deux]

NRA Youth Magazine Recommends Kids Build Indoor Home Shooting Ranges (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/08/1978921/nra-youth-magazine-home-shooting-ranges/)“BB, It’s Cold Outside,” ran in the January 2013 edition (http://www.nrainsights.org/viewer.php?tid=23&ref=1&nid=DINS_1301_COMPOSITE) of InSights. The spread features a picture of a young-looking boy holding a BB gun next to a fireplace, and is addressed to children who are “shooting a real gun now” but can’t wait to practice until it’s warm enough outside to make firing one fun. The NRA article recommends that, instead, the child build a home BB gun range to keep up.

While the article does tell kids to follow standard firing range safety rules and ask adult permission before setting up the indoor range, here are some other tips it offers:


– “Eliminate ricochet with a proper backstop. You have no idea how bouncy a tiny metal ball can be until you hear one whizzing by your head.”

– “There are plenty of indoor range setups you can find on the internet.”

– “You don’t want people opening a door or looking in a window to see a BB gun pointing at them.”

– “While you’re thinking of cool stuff to use as targets, also keep in mind how you’re going to set them up in your range. Hanging targets work great, by the way.”

– “When you’re trying to improve accuracy, BB guns are the best. If you have a habit of flinching when pulling the trigger, BB guns will help you work that out.”
The online edition of the article links to a previous InSights feature article (http://www.nrainsights.org/IndoorRange.php), which helpfully reminds young children that “The first and most important thing to remember is that with air guns, any projectile that does not hit a proper pellet stop has a very high possibility of a ricochet or bounce back. This is particularly true with a BB gun using round steel projectiles.”

Though BB guns are powered by air rather than gunpowder, they’re still very dangerous. A 2009 study in the journal Pediatrics found that BB guns and similar weapons send roughly 22,000 Americans to the emergency room each year, the overwhelming majority of whom are children aged 5-14 (http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-204_162-652543.html).

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/08/1978921/nra-youth-magazine-home-shooting-ranges/

[TSA]

So now kids shouldn't shoot BB guns either? What is the size of tampon you use to stop your giant bleeding pussy?

[boutons_deux]

Texas 5-year-old shoots 7-year-old brother during boys’ bath time

A 7-year-old boy in Texas is expected to recover after being shot by his 5-year-old brother while the two were taking a bath together on Tuesday.

Officials with the Houston Police Department said that (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/5-year-old-accidentally-shoots-brother-7-with-4497183.php) both boys were in the bathtub when the mother stepped away for a brief time. Investigators believed that the younger boy got out of the bathtub and found a rusty bolt-action .22 caliber rifle and shot his older brother.

Sgt. Ryan Gardiner described the injuries (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=9094218) as “non-life threatening.”

“It was one bullet hole that went through his lower back,” Gardiner said.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/08/texas-5-year-old-shoots-7-year-old-brother-during-boys-bath-time/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[TSA]

So now kids shouldn't shoot BB guns either? What is the size of tampon you use to stop your giant bleeding pussy?

[Wild Cobra]

So now kids shouldn't shoot BB guns either? What is the size of tampon you use to stop your giant bleeding pussy?
They don't make them large enough for him.

[TSA]

You'd think a guy who is as anti-gun as boutons would spend more time protesting and writing his representatives than bitching and copying/pasting on the internet. Pretty damn counter productive if you as me.

[Wild Cobra]

You'd think a guy who is as anti-gun as boutons would spend more time protesting and writing his representatives than bitching and copying/pasting on the internet. Pretty damn counter productive if you as me.
Agreed.

Since he has so much time to be here, and it appears he makes decent money, seems to me that he should put his money where his mouth is.

[boutons_deux]

You'd think a guy who is as anti-gun as boutons would spend more time protesting and writing his representatives than bitching and copying/pasting on the internet. Pretty damn counter productive if you as me.

NRA/gun lobby's $Ms have Congress' balls, not Human-Americans.

[TSA]

NRA/gun lobby's $Ms have Congress' balls, not Human-Americans.So you admit to just bitching on the internet and doing nothing at all to fight for your cause. If you are already admitting to bitching about a losing battle, why bitch at all?

[boutons_deux]

So you admit to just bitching on the internet and doing nothing at all to fight for your cause. If you are already admitting to bitching about a losing battle, why bitch at all?

I've repeated many time HERE that Human-Americans' votes and voices simply don't count, as we saw in the recent defeat of the b/g law. Congress votes as directed by corporate $Ms, not by voters wishes.

America, inlcuding all y'all right wingers, is fucked and unfuckable.

[TSA]

So you admit to just bitching on the internet and doing nothing at all to fight for your cause.

[TSA]

I've repeated many time HERE that Human-Americans' votes and voices simply don't count, as we saw in the recent defeat of the b/g law. Congress votes as directed by corporate $Ms, not by voters wishes.

America, inlcuding all y'all right wingers, is fucked and unfuckable.Considering the 1,000,000 or so newly signed up NRA members I would say voices were heard.

[Th'Pusher]

Considering the 1,000,000 or so newly signed up NRA members I would say voices were heard.

:lol
Efforts to pass gun-control legislation have only made the National Rifle Association stronger, as the membership rolls now surpass a record 5 million, NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre told the gun rights group's annual meeting Saturday.




About one-tenth of the members have joined in the past six months, the NRA says. :lol

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/04/nra-meeting-lapierre-membership/2135063/

Let's se if TSA can figure out what's wrong with his math. :lol

[TSA]

:lol
:lol

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Let's se if TSA can figure out what's wrong with his math. :lollets see if you can bend over, lick your own asshole, and figure out what's right with my math.

http://mobile.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/15/nra-membership-has-grown-by-250000-in-one-month

Hmmmmm.......4,000,000 at the time of the article, and over 5,000,000 now.

How's your asshole tasting dipshit?

[Nbadan]

One tenth of 4 million is 400K TSA....but I hate to nitpick...

[Nbadan]

You'd think a guy who is as anti-gun as boutons would spend more time protesting and writing his representatives than bitching and copying/pasting on the internet. Pretty damn counter productive if you as me.

You don't understand the power of social media....

[Blake]

Members receive an "official NRA members-only shooter's cap," a membership card and a decal and invitations to special NRA-only events.

holy Jesus hunter Christ where do i sign

[Th'Pusher]

lets see if you can bend over, lick your own asshole, and figure out what's right with my math.

http://mobile.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/15/nra-membership-has-grown-by-250000-in-one-month

Hmmmmm.......4,000,000 at the time of the article, and over 5,000,000 now.

How's your asshole tasting dipshit?

Actually it said 4.25m at the time of the article, but it's irrelevant as my article is more recent. Just stop being a shill you fucking moron.

[TSA]

One tenth of 4 million is 400K TSA....but I hate to nitpick...

I said 1,000,000 more.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You went through the CA education system didn't you?

[Nbadan]

Still that's 5 million of what? 325 million Americans..less than 2%..get over it....

[Nbadan]

I said 1,000,000 more.


:dizzy

[Nbadan]

You went through the CA education system didn't you?

He's rounding...

[TSA]

Actually it said 4.25m at the time of the article, but it's irrelevant as my article is more recent. Just stop being a shill you fucking moron.
4.25 after the increase from the last 5 days ass licker.

[TSA]

Still that's 5 million of what? 325 million Americans..less than 2%..get over it....where did I ever state a % of citizens were NRA members? I simply said there are 1,000,000 more new members sines it was last at 4,000,000......which was recently.

Fuck you guys look stupid.

[boutons_deux]

Gun Makers Saw No Role in Curbing Improper Sales
And a top executive for Taurus International (http://www.taurususa.com/) said his company made no attempt to learn if dealers who sell its products were involved in gun trafficking on the black market. “I don’t even know what a gun trafficker is,” he said.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/us/gun-makers-shun-responsibility-for-sales-suits-show.html?from=homepage

2nd Amendment? :lol

marans! :lol

Freedom! :lol

Liberty! :lol

Home invasion! :lol

dickless, insecure, man-problems assholes with concealed guns! :lol

It's all about the GUN BU$INE$$

[boutons_deux]

http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/large/public/screen_shot_2013-06-03_at_3.46.09_pm.png

[boutons_deux]

Gun Manufacturers Fight To Protect Profits From Black Market Sales

The gun lobby likes to portray itself as the defender of the right of ordinary Americans to own guns/build giant personal arsenals for future shoot-outs with the feds. What they actually are, as I’ve said before, is an industry lobby established for the sole purpose of increasing profits for gun manufacturers. That’s why they circulate paranoid fantasies of impending government takeover amongst the right, because that’s a proven marketing strategy that increases gun sales. They like to claim they support responsible, law-abiding gun ownership, but in that comes in conflict with the profit motivation, they will choose the latter every time.

Today, the New York Times published a report about how bold gun manufacturers (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/us/gun-makers-shun-responsibility-for-sales-suits-show.html?hp) are about their willingness to put guns on the black market, if it increases their profits:

The Glock (http://www.glock.com/) executive testified that he would keep doing business with a gun dealer who had been indicted on a charge of violating firearms laws because “This is still America” and “You’re still innocent until proven guilty.”

The president of Sturm, Ruger (http://www.ruger.com/) was not interested in knowing how often the police traced guns back to the company’s distributors, saying it “wouldn’t show us anything.”

And a top executive for Taurus International (http://www.taurususa.com/) said his company made no attempt to learn if dealers who sell its products were involved in gun trafficking on the black market. “I don’t even know what a gun trafficker is,” he said.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/28/gun-manufacturers-fight-to-protect-profits-from-black-market-sales/


2nd Amendment? :lol

marans! :lol

Freedom! :lol

Liberty! :lol

Home invasion! :lol

dickless, insecure, man-problem assholes with concealed guns! :lol

It's all about the GUN BU$INE$$

[boutons_deux]

Gun Researcher Turns to Crowd-Funding


Economist Bisakha Sen wants to study how US states' gun laws and gun cultures correlate with certain crimes and with firearms deaths in each state — and whether differing laws and cultures in neighboring states “spill over” to influence a state’s statistics.

But although President Barack Obama ordered the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to recommence gun research in the wake of last December's massacre of 20 schoolchildren and 6 adults in Newtown, Connecticut, federal funding for research on gun violence (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-to-slow-firearm-death-without-banning-all-guns) remains scarce so far. So Sen has turned to the crowd-funding website Microryza (https://www.microryza.com/projects/gun-control-research-project), and she is aiming to raise $25,000 in 100 days to fund her research.

“The research needs to be done,” says Sen, an economist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham. However, she says, there is essentially no federal funding (http://www.scientificamerican.com/topic.cfm?id=federal-research-funding) for any kind of gun-violence prevention or policy research. So when Microryza organizers sought her out several months ago and asked her to pitch a project, she decided she didn’t have much to lose by trying.

Sen’s campaign launched on 7 March. As of 29 May, she had raised $12,175 of the $25,000 that she says would fund her and two graduate students to carry out a 6-month study. Last week, Microryza extended the closing date for her effort from 31 May to 15 June.

Sen’s turn towards private donors might catch the interest of other gun-violence researchers, whose work is often stymied by the fact that the CDC has been barred, since 1996, from funding any activities that “advocate or promote” gun control. The agency has interpreted the law to mean that it cannot fund virtually any firearms research. Last year, Congress extended the prohibition to include the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) and other agencies.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=gun-researcher-turns-to-crowd-funding&WT.mc_id=SA_CAT_SP_20130603


symptom of a fatally diseased culture

[TSA]

Gun Manufacturers Fight To Protect Profits From Black Market Sales

The gun lobby likes to portray itself as the defender of the right of ordinary Americans to own guns/build giant personal arsenals for future shoot-outs with the feds. What they actually are, as I’ve said before, is an industry lobby established for the sole purpose of increasing profits for gun manufacturers. That’s why they circulate paranoid fantasies of impending government takeover amongst the right, because that’s a proven marketing strategy that increases gun sales. They like to claim they support responsible, law-abiding gun ownership, but in that comes in conflict with the profit motivation, they will choose the latter every time.

Today, the New York Times published a report about how bold gun manufacturers (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/us/gun-makers-shun-responsibility-for-sales-suits-show.html?hp) are about their willingness to put guns on the black market, if it increases their profits:

The Glock (http://www.glock.com/) executive testified that he would keep doing business with a gun dealer who had been indicted on a charge of violating firearms laws because “This is still America” and “You’re still innocent until proven guilty.”

The president of Sturm, Ruger (http://www.ruger.com/) was not interested in knowing how often the police traced guns back to the company’s distributors, saying it “wouldn’t show us anything.”

And a top executive for Taurus International (http://www.taurususa.com/) said his company made no attempt to learn if dealers who sell its products were involved in gun trafficking on the black market. “I don’t even know what a gun trafficker is,” he said.


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Thanks for posting the exact same article you posted 5 days ago, dipshit.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/05/28...?from=homepage

[TSA]

Gun Researcher Turns to Crowd-Funding


Economist Bisakha Sen wants to study how US states' gun laws and gun cultures correlate with certain crimes and with firearms deaths in each state — and whether differing laws and cultures in neighboring states “spill over” to influence a state’s statistics.

But although President Barack Obama ordered the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to recommence gun research in the wake of last December's massacre of 20 schoolchildren and 6 adults in Newtown, Connecticut, federal funding for research on gun violence (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-to-slow-firearm-death-without-banning-all-guns) remains scarce so far. So Sen has turned to the crowd-funding website Microryza (https://www.microryza.com/projects/gun-control-research-project), and she is aiming to raise $25,000 in 100 days to fund her research.

“The research needs to be done,” says Sen, an economist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham. However, she says, there is essentially no federal funding (http://www.scientificamerican.com/topic.cfm?id=federal-research-funding) for any kind of gun-violence prevention or policy research. So when Microryza organizers sought her out several months ago and asked her to pitch a project, she decided she didn’t have much to lose by trying.

Sen’s campaign launched on 7 March. As of 29 May, she had raised $12,175 of the $25,000 that she says would fund her and two graduate students to carry out a 6-month study. Last week, Microryza extended the closing date for her effort from 31 May to 15 June.

Sen’s turn towards private donors might catch the interest of other gun-violence researchers, whose work is often stymied by the fact that the CDC has been barred, since 1996, from funding any activities that “advocate or promote” gun control. The agency has interpreted the law to mean that it cannot fund virtually any firearms research. Last year, Congress extended the prohibition to include the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) and other agencies.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=gun-researcher-turns-to-crowd-funding&WT.mc_id=SA_CAT_SP_20130603


symptom of a fatally diseased culture







How much are you donating?

[clambake]

thinking about pulling the trigger (no pun) on a wilson tactical handgun.

but toys over 5k have to be cleared by the wife.

[TSA]

thinking about pulling the trigger (no pun) on a wilson tactical handgun.

but toys over 5k have to be cleared by the wife.

5K?:lol Which model you looking at?

[clambake]

5K?:lol Which model you looking at?

not sure which one i fired. pretty sure its around 5k, maybe a little more. smoothest, most accurate gun i've ever fired.

[TSA]

They are very nice firearms but 5K seems steep even for a Wilson. They usually go for around 3,500 from what I've seen.

[clambake]

i think its the tactical supergrade. a little over 5k.

[johnsmith]

thinking about pulling the trigger (no pun) on a wilson tactical handgun.

but toys over 5k have to be cleared by the wife.

Clambake continues to be the biggest pimp on this site...I also have a sneaking suspicion he has more money than all of us.

[sjacquemotte]

i think its the tactical supergrade. a little over 5k.
have you checked gunbrokerdotcom?

[clambake]

have you checked gunbrokerdotcom?

no, why?

[clambake]

ok, just looked. these are used guns, right?

[TSA]

ok, just looked. these are used guns, right?

They have new ones on their as well. I've sold guns on there, but have never bought one there. I'd be wary, have read about some scammers. I'd be especially wary purchasing one for the amount you are looking at.

[clambake]

i hear ya. i don't buy used items.

[boutons_deux]

How much are you donating?

A female professor idoing gun violence research, in AL? she'll probably get raped or shot by gun fellating Confederates.

[TSA]

A female professor idoing gun violence research, in AL? she'll probably get raped or shot by gun fellating Confederates.So you are doing nothing for the study you are pimping.

[boutons_deux]

So you are doing nothing for the study you are pimping.

Not pimping for the researcher, you shameless gun pimp

[TSA]

Why even bring it up if you aren't donating anything to it?

[boutons_deux]

Why even bring it up if you aren't donating anything to it?

as an example how NRA's chickenshit whores have shut down all gun research and gun record keeping.

[boutons_deux]

Federal Panel Lays Out The Gun Facts The NRA Has Suppressed (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/05/2109861/federal-panel-lays-out-the-gun-facts-the-nra-has-suppressed/)
If Congress will lift the National Rifle Association (NRA)-funded ban on federal funding for gun research, there’s a clear research agenda (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/story/2012-08-11/guns-public-health/56979706/1) for answering life-and-death questions about gun violence in the United States, according to a cross-ideological Institute of Medicine (IOM) panel (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23653-research-agenda-set-for-curbing-us-gun-violence.html).

The panel, convened in response to President Obama’s directive that the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) develop a plan for resuming research on gun violence, was tasked with developing a list of questions about gun violence that have yet to be sufficiently examined by current research. Since the mid-90s, NRA-supported legislation has stripped (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/11/1435291/biden-confirms-white-house-will-fight-nras-war-on-science/) the CDC of $2.5 million dollars in grant money (the exact amount devoted to gun research) and stipulated that “none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”

The effects of this ban have been dramatic. Federal funding makes up 60 percent of all support for academic research, meaning that blanket ban can cripple research in a field as specific as the effects of gun violence. Indeed, fewer than 20 academics today (by one count) are actively working (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/31/2083181/nra-gun-research-crowdsource/) on a problem that results in 32,000 dead Americans per year.

As consequence, the IOM panel reports (http://www.iom.edu/Reports/2013/Priorities-for-Research-to-Reduce-the-Threat-of-Firearm-Related-Violence/Report-Brief060513.aspx?page=2), “Basic data about gun possession, distribution, ownership, acquisition, and storage are lacking… Data that do exist are weak, making it virtually impossible to answer fundamental questions about occurrence and risk factors, or to effectively evaluate programs intended to reduce violence and harm.”

The report identifies 14 urgent “priority” areas for federal research (http://www.iom.edu/~/media/Files/Report%20Files/2013/Firearm-Violence/FirearmViolence_Insert.pdf), each of which encompasses a series of different questions about gun violence. For instance, questions that fall under the “Improve understanding of whether reducing criminal access to legally purchased guns reduces firearm violence” category include “Are there methods to enhance the reporting of stolen guns in order to reduce illegal access?” and “To what degree would mandatory reporting of transfer of private ownership of guns be effective in reducing illegal access?”

Some of the unanswered questions are even more basic. The panel suggests, for instance, that we’re not sure “to what degree can or would prospective suicidal users of firearms substitute other methods of suicide” or “what characteristics differentiate mass shootings that were prevented from those that were carried out?”

The IOM report’s authors come from across the ideological spectrum. Its members range from Gary Kleck, one of the scholars most-cited (http://thinkprogress.org/gun-debate-guide/#moreguns) by opponents of stronger gun laws, to Susan Sorenson, who once praised (http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/23/4/280.full) a book for “carefully and dispassionately eviscerat[ing] the research that concludes that more permissive laws about carrying concealed weapons will reduce crime.” But all could agree (http://www.iom.edu/Reports/2013/Priorities-for-Research-to-Reduce-the-Threat-of-Firearm-Related-Violence/Report-Brief060513.aspx?page=2) that the lack of basic research on “public health aspects of firearm violence” means that “makers will be left to debate controversial policies without scientifically sound evidence about their potential effects.”

Despite the gaping holes in gun research, we have strong evidence for a few claims. All things being equal, counties with more guns have more gun crime (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/03/1811311/study-states-with-loose-gun-laws-have-higher-rates-of-gun-violence/). And the best available evidence suggests that background checks significantly reduce gun homicides (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/13/1589161/study-gun-homicides-increased-25-percent-after-missouri-background-check-laws-repeal/).

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/05/2109861/federal-panel-lays-out-the-gun-facts-the-nra-has-suppressed/

all y'all gun fellators, NRA, and gun industry are blatantly SOFT ON GUN CRIME and GUN CRIMINALS by enabling guns to be freely, and often illegaly, widely available.

[TSA]

as an example how NRA's chickenshit whores have shut down all gun research and gun record keeping.

And you're a chickenshit who whines and complains, yet won't put your money where your mouth is.

[TSA]

all y'all gun fellators, NRA, and gun industry are blatantly SOFT ON GUN CRIME and GUN CRIMINALS by enabling guns to be freely, and often illegaly, widely available.missed this the first time......:lol

How are gun people soft on gun crime?
How is the NRA soft on gun crime?
How is the gun industry soft on gun crime?

Exactly what do the three above have to do with gun crime enforcement?


I wish I could find some freely available guns.

[boutons_deux]

As firearm ownership rises, Florida gun murders increase

Murders by firearms have increased dramatically in the state since 2000, when there were 499 gun murders, according to data from Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Gun murders have since climbed 38 percent — with 691 murders committed with guns in 2011.


Only partial numbers are available for 2012, but from January to June, there were 479 murders in Florida — 358 of them committed with a gun. That’s an 8 percent increase in gun murders compared to the same period in 2011.

Guns are now the weapons of choice in 75 percent of all homicides in Florida. That’s up from 56 percent in 2000.

The rise in gun homicides in Florida comes at a time when the overall murder rate has declined in Florida, and violent crime has dropped statewide.

It also comes at a time when gun control is at the forefront of national debate. Proposals before Congress died last week in a tight Senate vote, but surveys show a majority of Americans favor tougher firearms regulations. Supporters say stricter background checks that were rejected by Congress could lessen the number of gun murders.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/04/23/12542/firearm-ownership-rises-florida-gun-murders-increase?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+publici_rss+%28The+Center+for +Public+Integrity+Latest+Stories%29

more guns = more gun deaths, more gun injuries.

300M guns in USA = 10Ks/year of gun murders, suicides, injuries.

[TSA]

How are gun people soft on gun crime?
How is the NRA soft on gun crime?
How is the gun industry soft on gun crime?

Exactly what do the three above have to do with gun crime enforcement?

[boutons_deux]

missed this the first time......:lol

How are gun people soft on gun crime?
How is the NRA soft on gun crime?
How is the gun industry soft on gun crime?

Exactly what do the three above have to do with gun crime enforcement?


I wish I could find some freely available guns.

because gun industry/NRA blocking b/g checks, not enforcing weak b/g checks, blocking gun registration/national database, keeping gun info off computers a ATF, and fostering bogus 2nd Amendment bullshit, by blocking destruction of buy-back guns,
promoting heavily at all levels that everybody should have guns everywhere all time to pump up gun industry revenues, there are 300M guns in USA and the tool of choice for crime.

But NRA/gun industry don't give a shit about gun crime, they are EFFECTIVELY SOFT ON GUN CRIME, and care only about $$$.

[TSA]

I wasn't aware that the gun industry and the NRA forced the police to take it easy on the gun criminals.

[boutons_deux]

I wasn't aware that the gun industry and the NRA forced the police to take it easy on the gun criminals.

nra/gun industry make it extremely easy to flood the country with guns, and they want MORE GUNS EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME, and they don't care if criminals get them, because that's another reason for "home/self defenders" to buy even more guns ( gun owner has an avg of 9 guns, surely inarguable symptom of mental illness)

[TSA]

nra/gun industry make it extremely easy to flood the country with guns, and they want MORE GUNS EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME, and they don't care if criminals get them, because that's another reason for "home/self defenders" to buy even more guns ( gun owner has an avg of 9 guns, surely inarguable symptom of mental illness)

So you agree that it is the police and courts that are soft on gun crime and not the NRA/gun industry.

[Th'Pusher]

So you agree that it is the police and courts that are soft on gun crime and not the NRA/gun industry.
How are he police and the courts soft on gun crime? Can you provide some specifics?

[TSA]

How are he police and the courts soft on gun crime? Can you provide some specifics?

Why don't you figure that out while I try and figure out how the NRA/gun industry/gun people are the ones responsible for being soft on gun crime

[Th'Pusher]

Why don't you figure that out while I try and figure out how the NRA/gun industry/gun people are the ones responsible for being soft on gun crime
So you're justing talking out of your ass again. :tu

[TSA]

So you're justing talking out of your ass again. :tu

So you're just being lazy again :tu

For starters, look into how many guns are illegally known to be in the hands of felons and the mentally ill, yet nothing is being done about it by the police. Pretty soft if you ask me.

[Th'Pusher]

So you're just being lazy again :tu

For starters, look into how many guns are illegally known to be in the hands of felons and the mentally ill, yet nothing is being done about it by the police. Pretty soft if you ask me.

Youre making the claim police and judges are soft, the onus is on you to back up your claim. WRT the issue of known guns in the hands people who should not have them, we' e already discussed this is an issue of resources. Prioritizing resources is /= to being soft on guns and gun crimes.

[boutons_deux]

So you're just being lazy again :tu

For starters, look into how many guns are illegally known to be in the hands of felons and the mentally ill, yet nothing is being done about it by the police. Pretty soft if you ask me.

nra/gun industry opened the barn doors, and the police are supposed to go catch the horses? :lol

[TSA]

Youre making the claim police and judges are soft, the onus is on you to back up your claim. WRT the issue of known guns in the hands people who should not have them, we' e already discussed this is an issue of resources. Prioritizing resources is /= to being soft on guns and gun crimes.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSBRE90U00F20130131

Politics
U.S. struggles over which gun crimes to prosecute
Wed, Jan 30 19:13 PM EST
By David Ingram

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A dispute erupted at a congressional hearing on Wednesday over which existing gun-control laws were worth enforcing, even as lawmakers debated whether to pass new ones.

The flashes of anger underscored the deep divisions in America's gun culture.

"You do not support background checks for all buyers of firearms?" Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont asked the head of the National Rifle Association, the largest U.S. gun rights lobby.

NRA Chief Executive Wayne LaPierre said he did not support checking all buyers when President Barack Obama's administration was failing to enforce existing gun laws that, for example, prohibit lying on a background-check form.

"This administration is not prosecuting the people that they catch," LaPierre fired back during a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee, where Leahy, the chairman, began what promises to be a long congressional fight over gun control.

Obama proposed tougher guidelines after 20-year-old gunman Adam Lanza killed his mother and then six adults and 20 students at a Newtown, Connecticut, elementary school last month before turning a gun on himself.

Obama's Justice Department has shown little appetite to prosecute what it considers low-level firearms crimes at the expense of time spent on sweeping investigations, officials with the department said.

Investigators are also working under the shadow of a botched gun probe known as "Operation Fast and Furious," an investigation into gun trafficking along the U.S.-Mexico border that developed into a political scandal in Obama's first term.

'PAPERWORK' CRIME

Thousands of potential federal gun crimes go unprosecuted each year, the result of efforts by the Justice Department and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF, to determine which ones are most important, according to studies funded by the department.

The most common lead that agents pass up is a "paperwork" crime.

In those instances, someone with a criminal conviction or other disqualifying factor tries to buy a gun but does not disclose his past, either because he lied or forgot to do so. A background check finds him ineligible and bars him from getting a firearm, but he can be prosecuted for trying.

Some of those attempted buyers are otherwise law-abiding citizens who should not be a priority, said Michael Bouchard, a former ATF assistant director for field operations.

"It's simply a matter of using your resources wisely to effectively combat violent crime," he said in an interview. "To combat violent crime, they're going to go after criminals who are already in possession of guns or are using guns, rather than people who didn't get a gun."

The FBI said it conducted 16.5 million background checks for gun purchases in 2011. Of those, 78,211 ended in denials of eligibility because of a past conviction, a warrant for an arrest, drug abuse or other reason. Forty-four attempted buyers faced prosecution in 2010.

PROSECUTIONS DROP

Federal prosecutors said they brought gun charges against 11,811 people in 2011, down 10 percent from their peak in 2005 when violent crime rates were higher and President George W. Bush's administration put more of an emphasis on certain gun crimes.The National Rifle Association has repeatedly cited the drop in prosecutions as it pushes back against proposed new laws. At Wednesday's hearing, Republicans picked up on the theme.

"I hope we'll have a hearing where we'll ask administration witnesses to come before the panel and to testify why the Department of Justice and other law enforcement agencies of the federal government are not enforcing the laws that Congress has already passed," said Republican Senator John Cornyn of Texas.

Obama administration officials argue that not all gun offenses are worthy of the same attention.

Government investigators have "focused greater efforts on complex firearms investigations over the past several years in an effort to have the greatest impact on violent gun crime," said a Justice Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"While this may have resulted in fewer multiple-defendant cases, it has been beneficial for our overall public safety efforts," the official said.

Obama's own set of proposals on January 16 underscored the sensitivity surrounding what gun crimes get prosecuted. Rather than ordering the 94 U.S. Attorney's Offices to devote more resources to the subject, he simply asked those offices "to consider whether supplemental efforts would be appropriate in their districts."

Obama's proposals to curb gun violence include reinstating the U.S. ban on some semi-automatic rifles, limiting the capacity of ammunition magazines, and more extensive background checks of prospective gun buyers, largely to verify whether they have a history of crime or mental illness.

[TSA]

nra/gun industry opened the barn doors, and the police are supposed to go catch the horses? :lolIs that not their job?

[TSA]

http://search.cga.state.ct.us/olr/dtsearch.html

Search report 2007-R-0442 to see how many gun crimes go unpunished.

[TSA]

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

Bureau of Justice Statistics study that most gun grabbers don't want to talk about.

[Th'Pusher]

I am no sure why TSA is spamming the thread now, but there is nothing here to back up his claim that police and courts are soft on crime.

[TSA]

Pusher, you're getting us off topic.

This is about boutons claim............."all y'all gun fellators, NRA, and gun industry are blatantly SOFT ON GUN CRIME and GUN CRIMINALS by enabling guns to be freely, and often illegaly, widely available."

If you'd like to side with him on that I'll need some proof that supports his claim.

[TSA]

http://search.cga.state.ct.us/olr/dtsearch.html

Search report 2007-R-0442 to see how many gun crimes go unpunished.

Pusher, do you not understand how to read a simple table? The data is all right there for you all neatly organized.

[TSA]

I am no sure why TSA is spamming the thread now, but there is nothing here to back up his claim that police and courts are soft on crime.



:lmao Thanks Boutons :lmao

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215998&p=6629254#post6629254

A Texas jury acquitted a man for the murder of a woman he hired as an escort, after his lawyers claimed he was authorized to use deadly force because she refused sex.


Ezekiel Gilbert shot Lenora Ivie Frago in the neck on Christmas Eve, after she denied his requests for sex and wouldn’t return the $150 he had paid her, according to the San Antonio Express-News. Under Texas law, an individual is authorized to use deadly force to “retrieve stolen property at night,” and Gilbert’s lawyers cited that provision as justification for Gilbert’s action, reasoning that Frago had stolen $150 from him by taking his money without delivering sex. In a police interview played for jurors, Gilbert “never mentioned anything about theft,” a detective told the San Antonio Express-News. Frago, who was 21, was critically injured and died several months later.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...o-refused-sex/

[Th'Pusher]

:lmao Thanks Boutons :lmao

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215998&p=6629254#post6629254

A Texas jury acquitted a man for the murder of a woman he hired as an escort, after his lawyers claimed he was authorized to use deadly force because she refused sex.


Ezekiel Gilbert shot Lenora Ivie Frago in the neck on Christmas Eve, after she denied his requests for sex and wouldn’t return the $150 he had paid her, according to the San Antonio Express-News. Under Texas law, an individual is authorized to use deadly force to “retrieve stolen property at night,” and Gilbert’s lawyers cited that provision as justification for Gilbert’s action, reasoning that Frago had stolen $150 from him by taking his money without delivering sex. In a police interview played for jurors, Gilbert “never mentioned anything about theft,” a detective told the San Antonio Express-News. Frago, who was 21, was critically injured and died several months later.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...o-refused-sex/

lawers working within the framework of the existing law. The jury did not consider it a gun crime.

[TSA]

lawers working within the framework of the existing law. The jury did not consider it a gun crime.

:lmao

[TSA]

Pusher, you figure out that table yet? You asked for data, I gave it to you, and ran off.

[Th'Pusher]

Pusher, you figure out that table yet? You asked for data, I gave it to you, and ran off.
I understand the table and as I stated previously, prioritizing which laws you enforce is more a matter of necessity due to resource constraints than it is police being soft on crime.

[TSA]

I understand the table and as I stated previously, prioritizing which laws you enforce is more a matter of necessity due to resource constraints than it is police being soft on crime.

If gun crime is as big as problem as they make it out to be then you'd think they'd find the resources to prosecute these gun crimes. They can't enforce the laws on the books, and you want them to make more laws. Explain how that makes sense.

[Th'Pusher]

If gun crime is as big as problem as they make it out to be then you'd think they'd find the resources to prosecute these gun crimes. They can't enforce the laws on the books, and you want them to make more laws. Explain how that makes sense.
Some laws are more effective than other laws. Existing laws may be ineffective or may have loopholes that need to be closed via additional legislation.

[TSA]

Some laws are more effective than other laws. Existing laws may be ineffective or may have loopholes that need to be closed via additional legislation.

Additional legislation........................:lmao

[Th'Pusher]

Additional legislation........................:lmao
You just asked me to explain why more laws may be necessary when existing laws are not being enforced (I.e additional legislation.) not sure why that's :rofl

[TSA]

Some laws are more effective than other laws. Existing laws may be ineffective or may have loopholes that need to be closed via additional legislation.

Back your claim up. Which laws are more effective? Which laws are ineffective? Where are the loopholes that need to be closed? (Don't use the faulty Obama gun show loophole purchase % either, been debunked already)

[TSA]

You just asked me to explain why more laws may be necessary when existing laws are not being enforced (I.e additional legislation.) not sure why that's :rofl
"We can't/don't enforce the current laws, so let's make more laws we can't/won't enforce" :lmao

[TSA]

I'm leaving work now Pusher, I'll come back later to read your detailed report on which laws are effective/ineffective and what new legislation is needed.

[Th'Pusher]

Back your claim up. Which laws are more effective? Which laws are ineffective? Where are the loopholes that need to be closed? (Don't use the faulty Obama gun show loophole purchase % either, been debunked already)
Just because Barry used a bogus stat does not mean the gunshow loophole does not exist. So yes, that would be an example of a loophole that could be closed that could have some effect.

Constitutional concerns aside, It can be argued that a ban on all semi auto weapons would be effective as fuzzy so early pointed out to you, but you were too stupid to understand the argument.

[TSA]

Just because Barry used a bogus stat does not mean the gunshow loophole does not exist. So yes, that would be an example of a loophole that could be closed that could have some effect.



:lol Nice job not using Obama's loophole lie. Okay, so you've closed a loophole that accounts for .7% of criminal purchases, what about the rest? I expected you to back your claim up a bit more than that.

“The law already requires licensed gun dealers to run background checks, and over the last 14 years that’s kept 1.5 million of the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun,” said Mr. Obama, when he announced his gun-violence task force results on Jan. 16. “But it’s hard to enforce that law when as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases are conducted without a background check.”
The 40 percent figure that Mr. Obama and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, cite so frequently comes from a 1997 Justice Department survey. A closer look at that 40 percent number reveals it includes 29 percent of gun owners who said they got their guns from family members or friends and acquaintances.
That leaves 11 percent of firearms obtained through unfamiliar people. Of these, 3 percent reported they got their firearms “through the mail,” a process that requires a background check from a federally licensed firearms dealer. Four percent said “other,” and 4 percent made their purchase at a gun show.
The “gun-show loophole” is an exaggeration designed to foster the false impression that this is how the bad guys acquire firearms. A 2001 Justice Department survey found 0.7 percent of state and federal prison inmates bought their weapons at a gun show.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/30/the-gun-show-loophole-myth/#ixzz2VU8UUnkN


Constitutional concerns aside, It can be argued that a ban on all semi auto weapons would be effective as fuzzy so early pointed out to you, but you were too stupid to understand the argument.

:lol thanks for reminding me that Fuzzy was arguing for a ban of all semi-autos when he himself wasn't even able to define what a semi-automatic gun was :lol


Nice job Pusher. I'll give you more time to back your claim up, this last attempt was pathetic.

[boutons_deux]

here ya go, TSA, take your lips off the big hard stiff black barrel and check this out, Fastly and Furiously :lol

Half Of Licensed U.S. Gun Dealers Depend On Weapons Trafficking To Mexico (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/06/06/2114781/gun-dealers-trafficking-mexico/)

Researchers at the University of San Diego’s Trans-Border Institute (http://www.sandiego.edu/peacestudies/institutes/tbi/) and Brazil’s Igarapé Institute (http://igarape.org.br/) put together a groundbreaking model to determine why Mexico, which possesses some of the toughest gun laws (http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/mexico) in the world, is so awash in firearms. In constructing their report — Way of the Gun: Estimating Firearms Traffic Across the U.S.-Mexico Border (http://catcher.sandiego.edu/items/peacestudies/way_of_the_gun.pdf) — the authors used the number of Federal firearms licenses (FFL) issued to sell small arms to create a demand curve, based on the distance by road from the seller to the nearest point on the U.S.-Mexico border to estimate a total demand for trafficking, both in terms of guns sold and the amount the industry took in.

Their results? A much larger number of U.S. guns circulating in Mexico than occurred under the now-lapsed federal Assault Weapons Ban, with an estimated 253,000 firearms purchased per year to be trafficked to Mexico between 2010 and 2012. Somewhere between 0.9 and 3.7 percent of all gun sales in the U.S. can be attributed to trafficking to Mexico, a rise from the amount in 1993. Most shocking, an estimated 46.7 percent of all FFLs issued “during 2010-2012 depended for their economic existence on some amount of demand from the U.S.-Mexico firearms trade to stay in business,” a number that has also risen since 1993.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/06/06/2114781/gun-dealers-trafficking-mexico/

marans! :lol

2nd Amendment! :lol

self/home defense! :lol

water the tree! :lol

Liberty! :lol

Freedom! :lol

Guns are STRICTLY about $$$ for the gun industry (and of course dickless manhood issues of gun fellators)

[TeyshaBlue]

Ingrape Institute again?:lmao

[boutons_deux]

Ingrape Institute again?:lmao

TB :lol RIF

[TeyshaBlue]

gfy moonbat blog fellator

[TeyshaBlue]

That piece of shit analysis (lol Ingrape) has already been destroyed. Of course, if you did your own thinking instead of letting your moonbat RSS feed think for you, you would've remembered that.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211137&page=2&p=6430142&viewfull=1#post6430142

[TeyshaBlue]

lol thinkprogress

[TeyshaBlue]

:lolBubbas
:lolVRWC
:lolfucked and unfuckable
:lolboutons

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can feel that love. I know it well.

[TeyshaBlue]

I can feel that love. I know it well.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/tumblr_m2nk02fIvR1rqkpceo1_400_zps1776cf78.gif (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/teyshablue/media/tumblr_m2nk02fIvR1rqkpceo1_400_zps1776cf78.gif.htm l)

[TSA]

:lol Nice job not using Obama's loophole lie. Okay, so you've closed a loophole that accounts for .7% of criminal purchases, what about the rest? I expected you to back your claim up a bit more than that.

“The law already requires licensed gun dealers to run background checks, and over the last 14 years that’s kept 1.5 million of the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun,” said Mr. Obama, when he announced his gun-violence task force results on Jan. 16. “But it’s hard to enforce that law when as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases are conducted without a background check.”
The 40 percent figure that Mr. Obama and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, cite so frequently comes from a 1997 Justice Department survey. A closer look at that 40 percent number reveals it includes 29 percent of gun owners who said they got their guns from family members or friends and acquaintances.
That leaves 11 percent of firearms obtained through unfamiliar people. Of these, 3 percent reported they got their firearms “through the mail,” a process that requires a background check from a federally licensed firearms dealer. Four percent said “other,” and 4 percent made their purchase at a gun show.
The “gun-show loophole” is an exaggeration designed to foster the false impression that this is how the bad guys acquire firearms. A 2001 Justice Department survey found 0.7 percent of state and federal prison inmates bought their weapons at a gun show.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/30/the-gun-show-loophole-myth/#ixzz2VU8UUnkN



:lol thanks for reminding me that Fuzzy was arguing for a ban of all semi-autos when he himself wasn't even able to define what a semi-automatic gun was :lol


Nice job Pusher. I'll give you more time to back your claim up, this last attempt was pathetic.ok pusher, you've had all weekend to come up with something better, what do you got?

[boutons_deux]

One gun fellator less and one fatherless child more

Justin Stanfield Thomas Shot, Killed Accidentally By 4-Year-Old Son In Arizona

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/08/justin-stanfield-thomas-killed_n_3407551.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

and of course, gun fellators, NRA, and gun industry assholes skate free, totally unaccountable.

[TSA]

How did California's strict gun laws work out in Santa Monica?

[boutons_deux]

How did California's strict gun laws work out in Santa Monica?

Guns sold anywhere in red-state, gun fellating, no b/g check America are easily transportable across state lines.

[TSA]

Guns sold anywhere in red-state, gun fellating, no b/g check America are easily transportable across state lines.Are you saying his gun was not from California?

[boutons_deux]

Are you saying his gun was not from California?

fuck you and fuck your strawman

strict gun regulations have to be national and retroactive to be effective.

[TSA]

fuck you and fuck your strawman

strict gun regulations have to be national and retroactive to be effective.

And when you find out he bought the guns in CA, what is your argument? CA has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, I thought these super strict laws were supposed to prevent these types of things, isn't that what you've been saying all along?

[boutons_deux]

super strict is relative to wild west red-state selling to all comers

[boutons_deux]

truly strict gun laws would have allowed his family and authorities to have all his weaponry confiscated

"The suspect, 23-year-old John Zawahri, was known as an angry young man with a “fascination with guns” (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-santa-monica-gunman-had-fascination-with-guns-friend-says-20130609,0,4286367.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+%28L.A.+Now%29) that worried family friends. Zawahri was born in Lebanon but has lived in the U.S. for at least 10 years. In a press conference on Sunday, police said the troubled young man"

"Zawahri had a run-in with the law in 2006, but police could not give more details as he was a juvenile at the time. A law enforcement source told CNN that Zawahri had been hospitalized for mental issues (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/08/us/california-college-gunman) after talking about wanting to hurt someone."

"Technically, certain AR-15 rifles are prohibited in California, but critics have said the law is rendered essentially toothless (http://www.newtimesslo.com/cover/2922/what-assault-weapons-ban/) by loopholes and legal challenges"

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/06/10/2127671/santa-monica-mass-shooter-stockpil/

[boutons_deux]

there's a new Republican-backed Virginia law making it illegal to disclose the names of Virginia's proud concealed-carry permit owners;

Turns out, though, the only group currently seeking that list of Virginia gun owners seems to be the Republican Party itself (http://blogs.nbc12.com/decisionvirginia/2013/06/before-new-law-rpv-requests-addresses-of-concealed-weapon-permit-holders.html).


Before it becomes the law of the land, Republican Party of Virginia Executive Director Anthony Ready did what he does every year. He FOIAed the name, mailing address, birth date, country of citizenship, telephone number and date of registration of every permit holder in Virginia. The only piece of information they asked to have redacted was the permit holder's Social Security Number.This request was dated June 6, 2013 less than a month before the release of this information in this fashion will be illegal in Virginia.


The Virginia Republicans say they're only asking about that information so that they can contact those gun owners and keep them informed on issues like who might be building big scary lists of gun owners, which is freaking awesome. Apparently, though, some gun owners are all peeved and crabby about it, and there's an effort afoot to deny the GOP's request.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/07/1214576/-Shady-government-tied-organization-making-list-of-every-registered-Virginia-gun-owner?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

:lol

[boutons_deux]

NRA, gun indu$try, gun fellators, all SOFT ON GUN CRIME

"As a lifelong career criminal, although I no longer enjoy the right to keep and bear arms, I’d like to take a moment to express my appreciation to the National Rifle Association for nonetheless protecting my ability to easily obtain them through its opposition to universal background checks.

Upon release in a few years from my current federal sentence on bank robbery and weapons charges, I fully anticipate being able to stop at a gun show on my way home to Connecticut — where new laws have made it nearly impossible for a felon to readily purchase guns or ammunition — in order to buy some with which to resume my criminal activities.

And so, a heartfelt thank you to the NRA and all those members of Congress voting with them. I, along with tens of thousands of other criminals, couldn’t do what we do without you."

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/10/2130331/felon-in-maximum-security-prison-thanks-the-nra-for-making-it-easy-for-him-to-get-a-gun/

[TSA]

Boutons, thanks for the reminder. 10 day waiting period ends tomorrow and I get to pick up my new handgun.

[sjacquemotte]

fuck you and fuck your strawmanstrict gun regulations have to be national and retroactive to be effective.:lolJust say you're wrong b_d. It's empowering!

[boutons_deux]

strict gun laws would have confiscated and denied all guns to a mentally unstable, questionable patient

Gunman in Calif. rampage once held for psychiatric evaluationThe slain California gunman who killed five people in a rampage through Santa Monica was a onetime digital-media student who endured a troubled home life and spent several days as a teen in the psychiatric unit of a hospital, according to police, college officials and court records.

A fragmented portrait of the suspect, John Zawahri, took clearer shape on Monday as police continued to investigate what led him to lash out in a spasm of gun violence that claimed a total of six lives, including his own, on the eve of his 24th birthday.

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-76250659/

[boutons_deux]

strict gun laws would have forbidden and punished such violation of the spirit of the law

High-capacity ammo 'repair kit' lawsuit

Firearms distributors are flouting California's ban on high-capacity magazines, those that can fire more than 10 rounds without reloading, by taking them apart and selling them as easily assembled "repair kits," City Attorney Dennis Herrera charged in a lawsuit filed Monday.

The Superior Court suit accuses three online gun-accessory companies and a promoter of California gun shows, including the annual Crossroads of the West show at the Cow Palace, of illegal business practices.
These businesses "think they've devised a clever end-run around California law by selling fully functional high-capacity magazines that have simply been disassembled into a few easily reassembled parts," Herrera said in a statement. "Our litigation intends to prove otherwise."

The companies are 44Mag Distributing of Harbor, Ore.; Exile Machine of Dallas; Cope's Distributing of Greenville, Ohio; and gun-show promoter B&L Productions of Kaysville, Utah. None returned phone calls seeking comment on the suit.
The state law, which took effect in 2000, banned manufacture and sale in California of magazines carrying more than 10 rounds of ammunition while allowing owners of existing high-capacity weapons to keep them and get them repaired at licensed shops.

http://mobile.sfgate.com/sfchron/db_41686/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=XYUx4STD&full=true#display

sicko gun fellators, GFY

[TSA]

:sleep These magazines become illegal in California the moment you assemble them :sleep

[boutons_deux]

:sleep These magazines become illegal in California the moment you assemble them :sleep

the mfrs don't care, they get their "2nd Amendment :lol " $$$ anyway

and the buyers obviously won't assemble what they bought, because they are law-abiding citizens! :lol

[TSA]

truly strict gun laws would have allowed his family and authorities to have all his weaponry confiscated

"The suspect, 23-year-old John Zawahri, was known as an angry young man with a “fascination with guns” (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-santa-monica-gunman-had-fascination-with-guns-friend-says-20130609,0,4286367.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+%28L.A.+Now%29) that worried family friends. Zawahri was born in Lebanon but has lived in the U.S. for at least 10 years. In a press conference on Sunday, police said the troubled young man"

"Zawahri had a run-in with the law in 2006, but police could not give more details as he was a juvenile at the time. A law enforcement source told CNN that Zawahri had been hospitalized for mental issues (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/08/us/california-college-gunman) after talking about wanting to hurt someone."

"Technically, certain AR-15 rifles are prohibited in California, but critics have said the law is rendered essentially toothless (http://www.newtimesslo.com/cover/2922/what-assault-weapons-ban/) by loopholes and legal challenges"

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/06/10/2127671/santa-monica-mass-shooter-stockpil/

You realize they don't even have the manpower to do this currently so I'm not sure how it would have stopped him. CA has approximately 40,000 firearms known to be in the hands of felons/mentally ill and they don't have the resources to do anything about it.

[TSA]

Just because Barry used a bogus stat does not mean the gunshow loophole does not exist. So yes, that would be an example of a loophole that could be closed that could have some effect.

Constitutional concerns aside, It can be argued that a ban on all semi auto weapons would be effective as fuzzy so early pointed out to you, but you were too stupid to understand the argument.

:sleep still waiting pusher :sleep

[Th'Pusher]

:sleep still waiting pusher :sleep
You're waiting for Godot. Are you arguing that there is absolutely no effective regulation that can help reduce gun violence? That position is completely untenable.

[TSA]

You're waiting for Godot. Are you arguing that there is absolutely no effective regulation that can help reduce gun violence? That position is completely untenable.

We have a "violence" problem here in America that is much larger than just guns, it is not fair to only look at guns. Our society is pretty fucked, one of the reasons I own guns.

There is plenty of regulation to reduce gun violence already in place that is not even enforced, I'm arguing to start enforcing those who violate the regulations first, before we start making more regulations. I'm also asking you what you think needs to be done and so far all you've come up with is the gun show loophole, which blew up in your face, and an all out ban on semi-autos, which is completely absurd considering how long firearms have been a part of our Country. Also this little thing called the Bill of Rights.


California has some of the toughest gun laws in the Nation, how'd that work out for the Santa Monica shooter? You claim that some laws are more effective, while others are less effective, and yet haven't given any data to back that up. That is all I'm asking for, show me these effective laws, share some of your ideas. I don't like gun violence any more than you do, I just like guns.


































































































































By the way, just to spite the Fuzzys and Boutons of the world I picked this up today :lol

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/IMG_0043_zpsef018944.jpg (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/thefuzzylumpkins/media/IMG_0043_zpsef018944.jpg.html)

[Th'Pusher]

I read fuzzy and your back and forth where he provided empirical evidence, controlling for variables and you proved yourself too stupid to even understand the argument. Sorry. I'm not going to do the same.

[TSA]

You fucking coward.

You made the claim, back it up. Here it is again in case you've forgotten.



Some laws are more effective than other laws. Existing laws may be ineffective or may have loopholes that need to be closed via additional legislation.

I'll ask you again. Which laws are more effective? Which laws are ineffective? What loopholes need to be closed?

[Th'Pusher]

Revisit the Yale study fuzzy posted and demonstrate you have even the slightest ability to comprehend the content and I'll contemplate engaging you in a serious discussion.

[TSA]

Revisit the Yale study fuzzy posted and demonstrate you have even the slightest ability to comprehend the content and I'll contemplate engaging you in a serious discussion.
This isn't about the Yale study, this is about YOUR claim. I havent told you to read the Harvard study that supports my stance on gun control now have I?

Stop acting like a coward and back up YOUR claim, it's on you.

[Th'Pusher]

This isn't about the Yale study, this is about YOUR claim. I havent told you to read the Harvard study that supports my stance on gun control now have I?

Stop acting like a coward and back up YOUR claim, it's on you.
:lol your inability to decipher the results of either of those studies is what precludes us from having any sort of meaningful debate about this subject. That and the fact that you deteriorate into an emotional wreck whenever the conversation of gun control comes up...

[TSA]

:lol your inability to decipher the results of either of those studies is what precludes us from having any sort of meaningful debate about this subject. That and the fact that you deteriorate into an emotional wreck whenever the conversation of gun control comes up...

What is precluding us from having any sort of conversation is your bitch ass running from your claim. It's pretty obvious to anyone reading.

[Th'Pusher]

What is precluding us from having any sort of conversation is your bitch ass running from your claim. It's pretty obvious to anyone reading.

:cry emo :cry

[boutons_deux]

You realize they don't even have the manpower to do this currently so I'm not sure how it would have stopped him. CA has approximately 40,000 firearms known to be in the hands of felons/mentally ill and they don't have the resources to do anything about it.

it's much easier to restrict gun distribution than it is to go after the guns in the wrong hands

you gun fellators, NRA, gun industry are SOFT ON GUN CRIME, because it's great for business

2nd Amendment? :lol

[boutons_deux]

We have a "violence" problem here in America that is much larger than just guns, it is not fair to only look at guns. Our society is pretty fucked, one of the reasons I own guns.

There is plenty of regulation to reduce gun violence already in place that is not even enforced, I'm arguing to start enforcing those who violate the regulations first, before we start making more regulations. I'm also asking you what you think needs to be done and so far all you've come up with is the gun show loophole, which blew up in your face, and an all out ban on semi-autos, which is completely absurd considering how long firearms have been a part of our Country. Also this little thing called the Bill of Rights.


California has some of the toughest gun laws in the Nation, how'd that work out for the Santa Monica shooter? You claim that some laws are more effective, while others are less effective, and yet haven't given any data to back that up. That is all I'm asking for, show me these effective laws, share some of your ideas. I don't like gun violence any more than you do, I just like guns.

By the way, just to spite the Fuzzys and Boutons of the world I picked this up today :lol



goddam, you're a stupid bitch

any gun regulation violations are by the guns/ammo selling industry.

you bought your gun not to spite anybody, but to feed your own gun fellating disease

[TSA]

:cry emo :cry
That's really telling me.
It appears you were just talking out of your ass again as you've continually dodged the challenge to back your claim up.

[TSA]

it's much easier to restrict gun distribution than it is to go after the guns in the wrong hands

you gun fellators, NRA, gun industry are SOFT ON GUN CRIME, because it's great for business

2nd Amendment? :lolyou are only restricting guns to law abiding citizens, criminals don't care about new regulations, they will get their guns regardless. Is it really that hard to understand?

[TSA]

goddam, you're a stupid bitch

any gun regulation violations are by the guns/ammo selling industry.

you bought your gun not to spite anybody, but to feed your own gun fellating diseaseits true, I am cursed with a gun fellating disease.

[boutons_deux]

you are only restricting guns to law abiding citizens, criminals don't care about new regulations, they will get their guns regardless. Is it really that hard to understand?

now that You People have enabled saturating USA with 300M+ guns, yes, it's easy for criminals and dangerous people to get guns, thanks, y'all are just great for the country, like a shit stain.

[Th'Pusher]

That's really telling me.
It appears you were just talking out of your ass again as you've continually dodged the challenge to back your claim up.
Oh yes. I am dodging my claim that I really went out on a limb to make, that some laws are more effective than others and that there are loopholes in existing laws. You're not only a moron, you're completely ridiculous. You're contention is that no new regulation can be effective because LE chooses to not enforce some existing laws either due to resource constraints or limited effectiveness. You are a fucking moron.

[TSA]

Oh yes. I am dodging my claim that I really went out on a limb to make, that some laws are more effective than others and that there are loopholes in existing laws.Still waiting to hear examples of this, which you should have being that you are the one who said it. Which laws and loopholes are you talking about?

[Th'Pusher]

Still waiting to hear examples of this, which you should have being that you are the one who said it. Which laws and loopholes are you talking about?
Emo. Implement a full universal background check for ALL firearm sales and do it with a NATIONAL registry.

[TSA]

Emo. Implement a full universal background check for ALL firearm sales and do it with a NATIONAL registry.

Four fucking days to think on this and all you come up with is universal background checks and a National registry?
:lol I thought you were going to have some laws that would be effective.

[Th'Pusher]

Four fucking days to think on this and all you come up with is universal background checks and a National registry?
:lol I thought you were going to have some laws that would be effective.

:cry emo :cry guns :cry California :cry regulation :cry emo

[TSA]

:cry emo :cry guns :cry California :cry regulation :cry emo

Resorting to emo emoticons is actually quite emo. Care to explain what universal background checks and a National registry will solve? I'm fine with universal background checks but do not think they will solve anything. How do you think it will curb gun violence?

[Th'Pusher]

Resorting to emo emoticons is actually quite emo.

No, it's really not. If I could graph your post count in the political forum before and after Sandy Hook, it would look like like a fucking hockey stick. That's emo. Me pointing out this reality is not emo at all. I have no interest in debating the efficacy of universal background checks with a hyper-emotional single-issue zealot.

[TSA]

You get riled quite easily for someone who claims to have no interest. Next time you thump your chest like you're a hot shit gun control aficionado be prepared to answer questions, that's kinda how forums work. An original thought and less emoticons would serve you well too.

[boutons_deux]

Insurers dropping Kansas schools over concealed-carry law for teachers

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/A-Middle-Aged-White-Female-Business-Woman-Or-Teacher-Holds-A-Semi-Automatic-Pistol-Shutterstock.jpg

At least three insurance companies have refused to renew their coverage policies for Kansas schools in the wake of a new law allowing teachers to carry firearms on campus, The Des Moines Register reported on Sunday. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130707/BUSINESS/307070054/Kansas-schools-law-thrusts-EMC-Insurance-into-gun-debate)

“We’ve been writing school business for almost 40 years,” EMC Insurance Companies vice president for business development Mick Lovell told the Register. “One of the underwriting guidelines we follow for schools is that any on-site armed security should be provided by uniformed, qualified law enforcement officers. Our guidelines have not recently changed.”


Lovell’s company provided insurance to almost 90 percent of the state’s school districts before pulling its coverage. Two other companies, Continental Western Group and Wright Specialty Insurance, followed suit. The new law, which allows teachers and other personnel to carry concealed arms inside school buildings, took effect on July 1, and is similar to measures in South Dakota and Tennessee passed as a response to the December 2012 school shooting attack in Newtown, Connecticut.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/08/insurers-dropping-kansas-schools-over-concealed-carry-law-for-teachers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

oops. Seems like the insurers know something about MORE GUNS = MORE GUN VIOLENCE and DEATHS than the asshole KS legislators sucking off the NRA.

[boutons_deux]

Gun Bill in Missouri Would Test Limits in Nullifying U.S. Law

the Republican-controlled Missouri legislature is expected to enact a statute next month nullifying all federal gun laws in the state and making it a crime for federal agents to enforce them here. A Missourian arrested under federal firearm statutes would even be able to sue the arresting officer.

The law amounts to the most far-reaching states’ rights endeavor in the country, the far edge of a growing movement known as “nullification” in which a state defies federal power.

Richard G. Callahan, the United States attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri, is concerned. He cited a recent joint operation (http://www.justice.gov/usao/moe/news/2013/july/vrcp.html)of federal, state and local law enforcement officials that led to 159 arrests and the seizing of 267 weapons, and noted that the measure “would have outlawed such operations, and would have made criminals out of the law enforcement officers.”

Adam Winkler, a professor of law at the University of California, Los Angeles, who follows nullification efforts nationally, said that nearly two dozen states had passed medical marijuana laws in defiance of federal restrictions. Richard Cauchi, who tracks such health legislation for the National Conference of State Legislatures, said: “Since January 2011, at least 23 states have considered bills seeking to nullify the health care law; as of mid-2013 only one state, North Dakota, had a signed law. Its language states, however, that the nullification provisions ‘likely are not authorized by the United States Constitution.' ”

What distinguishes the Missouri gun measure from the marijuana initiatives is its attempt to actually block federal enforcement by setting criminal penalties for federal agents, and prohibiting state officials from cooperating with federal efforts. That crosses the constitutional line, said Robert A. Levy, chairman of the libertarian Cato Institute’s board of directors — a state cannot frustrate the federal government’s attempts to enforce its laws.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/08/29/us/missouri-gun-measure-pushes-nullification-boundary.html?from=homepage

[Wild Cobra]

Where does all this liberal tripe come from?

When will liberals gain a few IQ points and figure out the people they believe are lyiong to them?

If I sort the states by Brady score and graph them vs murder by firearms, I get this:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/2010gundeathvsBradyscore_zps182e6cd5.png (http://s181.photobucket.com/user/Wild_Cobra/media/Politics/2010gundeathvsBradyscore_zps182e6cd5.png.html)

I put a trend line in the excel graph. it has a very minor reducing effect as the Brady score increases.

Anyone ever consider race? race itself is not the cause in my opinion, but culture based on race is. We have a significant number of Hispanics and Blacks with a different value of human life than most whites. Here is a graph plotted after sorting the states by percentage of Blacks plus Hispanics:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/2010gundeathvsblacksandhispanics_zps54b1521c.png (http://s181.photobucket.com/user/Wild_Cobra/media/Politics/2010gundeathvsblacksandhispanics_zps54b1521c.png.h tml)

When will you liberal lemmings stop eating the donkeyshit from the left, and come to terms with reality?

[TSA]

Thanks for graphing that out. Not surprising it's being ignored.

[boutons_deux]

so the more guns that blacks and browns have, the more murders?

got it

more guns = more gun violence, more gun deaths.

[TSA]

so the more blacks and browns the more murders?

got it



FIFY

[boutons_deux]

Obama planning to close gun sale loopholes via executive action

President Barack Obama reportedly intends to take action on gun control where the U.S. Congress has been unable to act. According to the Associated Press (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/obama-close-background-check-loophole.php?ref=fpa), the president will enact measures to close a legal loophole that allows felons and other criminals to register weapons to companies rather than to themselves and to increase scrutiny of U.S. imports of surplus military weaponry.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/29/obama-planning-to-close-gun-sale-loopholes-via-executive-action/

2nd Amendment! :lol

marans! :lol

water the tree of libertee! :lol

don't tread on me! :lol

freedom! :lol

NRA shill: "When I see a gun, I get a hard on and want to fellate the gun!" :lol

all sickos! :lol

[TSA]

"The other measure would put into place a ban on surplus U.S. military weapons re-entering the country in the hands of private citizens. Since 2005, an estimated 250,000 military weapons have been sold to outside agencies and brought back into the U.S., where they sometimes end up on the streets being used against civilian police. The rule would make it illegal for anyone other than museums and a few other government agencies to re-import military grade weapons into the country."

So the Government has been selling us all of their surplus assault rifles and wants to stop now? :lol

[boutons_deux]

"The other measure would put into place a ban on surplus U.S. military weapons re-entering the country in the hands of private citizens. Since 2005, an estimated 250,000 military weapons have been sold to outside agencies and brought back into the U.S., where they sometimes end up on the streets being used against civilian police. The rule would make it illegal for anyone other than museums and a few other government agencies to re-import military grade weapons into the country."

So the Government has been selling us all of their surplus assault rifles and wants to stop now? :lol

the MIC loves selling guns to the planet, USA is Biggest Death Merchant, but govt wants them to stay over there. It's very simple, simpleton.

[Th'Pusher]

Obama planning to close gun sale loopholes via executive action

President Barack Obama reportedly intends to take action on gun control where the U.S. Congress has been unable to act. According to the Associated Press (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/obama-close-background-check-loophole.php?ref=fpa), the president will enact measures to close a legal loophole that allows felons and other criminals to register weapons to companies rather than to themselves and to increase scrutiny of U.S. imports of surplus military weaponry.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/29/obama-planning-to-close-gun-sale-loopholes- (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/29/obama-planning-to-close-gun-sale-loopholes-via-executive-action/)

Fucking Barry. Infringing on the rights of felons and criminals through executive fiat.

[scroteface]

Let him have his moral victory to save .000001% of his face. None of these proposals bother me.

[TSA]

According to the Associated Press, the president will enact measures to close a legal loophole that allows felons and other criminals to register weapons to companies rather than to themselves

This guy is such a dipshit.....how many cases do we have where a felon registered an NFA item to a trust or corporation?

[Th'Pusher]

This guy is such a dipshit.....how many cases do we have where a felon registered an NFA item to a trust or corporation?
Uh oh. Someone is getting emotional.

[boutons_deux]

This guy is such a dipshit.....how many cases do we have where a felon registered an NFA item to a trust or corporation?

it's a first step, a shot across the bow of the Garbage Ship NRA

"Obama added the two proposals to the slate of 23 steps that White House legal experts determined that the president could take to curb gun violence in the U.S. without the authorization of the gridlocked Congress."

[TSA]

Uh oh. Someone is getting emotional.

Uh oh. Someone doesn't have a rebuttal and has resorted to name calling.

[TSA]

it's a first step, a shot across the bow of the Garbage Ship NRA

"Obama added the two proposals to the slate of 23 steps that White House legal experts determined that the president could take to curb gun violence in the U.S. without the authorization of the gridlocked Congress."

It's not a shot across the bow, it's him doing something to say he did something. It does nothing to curb gun violence. Again, how many cases do we have where a felon registered an NFA item to a trust or corporation? Take Obama's dick out of your mouth for five seconds and think about how stupid his proposal is.

[boutons_deux]

:lol

Senator Who Advocates for Arming Teachers Accidentally Shoots Teacher With Rubber Bullet

A state senator who is advocating for arming teachers in the aftermath of the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, accidentally shot a teacher with a rubber bullet during a training course,

Arkansas Sen. Jeremy Hutchinson (R) recently participated in “active shooter” training and mistakenly shot a teacher who was confronting a so-called bad guy.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/senator-who-advocates-arming-teachers-accidentally-shoots-teacher-rubber-bullet?akid=10861.187590.qxKLeY&rd=1&src=newsletter889475&t=5

red-states, gotta love 'em! :lol

[TSA]

So you couldn't find any cases of felons trying to register NFA items to a trust or corporation?

And :lol at the military surplus garbage.................the criminals are running wild on the streets wielding Moisan Nagants with bayonets!!!!! :lmao

Brilliant Obama, brilliant.

[Th'Pusher]

So you couldn't find any cases of felons trying to register NFA items to a trust or corporation?

And :lol at the military surplus garbage.................the criminals are running wild on the streets wielding Moisan Nagants with bayonets!!!!! :lmao

Brilliant Obama, brilliant.

So if the law is going to have Zero effect, why are you emotional about it?

[TSA]

So if the law is going to have Zero effect, why are you emotional about it?

Your rebuttals have now been reduced to calling anything I post emotional, not a very strong argument. You're getting boring and repetitive. Calling the proposed law ineffective and the President a dipshit is not emotional. If you'd like to explain to me how closing this loophole will curb gun violence go ahead.

[Th'Pusher]

Your rebuttals have now been reduced to calling anything I post emotional, not a very strong argument. You're getting boring and repetitive. Calling the proposed law ineffective and the President a dipshit is not emotional. If you'd like to explain to me how closing this loophole will curb gun violence go ahead.
If closing the loophole prevented just one felon from illegally obtaining a gun would it be justified? :lol

[TSA]

If closing the loophole prevented just one felon from illegally obtaining a gun would it be justified? :lol

For the time and money spent making it a law? No.

Again, I said it was ineffective and its just so Obama can say he did something to satisfy people like you, the same people who believed his gun show loophole lie.

[Th'Pusher]

For the time and money spent making it a law? No.

Again, I said it was ineffective and its just so Obama can say he did something to satisfy people like you, the same people who believed his gun show loophole lie.

:lol @ satisfy people like me. And it's not a law, it's an executive order...please quantify the time and money it took to make this executive order.

The reality is, this executive order wont do much and it is a PR move. For me that's a big who gives a fuck. For you, it's a reason to irrationally lash out and mock Obama.

[TSA]

:lol @ satisfy people like me. And it's not a law, it's an executive order...please quantify the time and money it took to make this executive order.

The reality is, this executive order wont do much and it is a PR move. For me that's a big who gives a fuck. For you, it's a reason to irrationally lash out and mock Obama.
And it's not an executive order, it's an executive action. Oooooh burrrrrnnnnn.

If you don't think time and money went into it fine. There's nothing irrational about mocking a President for ineffective PR stunt that he says will curb gun violence. Funny you've been trying to talk shit and now actually agree with me.

[Th'Pusher]

And it's not an executive order, it's an executive action. Oooooh burrrrrnnnnn.

If you don't think time and money went into it fine. There's nothing irrational about mocking a President for ineffective PR stunt that he says will curb gun violence. Funny you've been trying to talk shit and now actually agree with me.
I was never trying to talk shit about this. I simply enjoy the fact that you hate Obama so much and he just keeps twisting the rusty nail of gun control in your side. And no matter how trivial the gun control measure Barry rolls out, you just can't help but to storm in with some hyperbolic emotional comment.

[TSA]

Where are these emotional comments you keep speaking of? Find me just one.

[Th'Pusher]

Where are these emotional comments you keep speaking of? Find me just one.


This guy is such a dipshit.....how many cases do we have where a felon registered an NFA item to a trust or corporation?

:soapbox:

[TSA]

:soapbox:

Now you are also a dipshit. There is nothing emotional about that question. Nice try though. Your problem is you follow me around saying everything I post is emotional when it's not. To pretend you can accurately judge how i feel when I'm posting is asinine. I bet you have some made up emotional voice in your head you use whenever you read my posts. You're funny.

[DMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH0sRTYd17I

lol

[Th'Pusher]

I bet you have some made up emotional voice in your head you use whenever you read my posts. You're funny.

Well sure. It varies between a distinct pronounced lisp and and a subtle lisp while you're ranting emotionally about Barry taking away the little guns you fire to make you feel big :lol

[TSA]

This guy is such a dipshit.....how many cases do we have where a felon registered an NFA item to a trust or corporation?

Again, point out the emotional rant, and do it in your faggiest lisp.

[TSA]

It's pretty pathetic that I've gotten so far under your skin that you've admitted to reading my posts out loud like a fag.

[Th'Pusher]

I bet you have some made up emotional voice in your head you use whenever you read my posts.


...that you've admitted to reading my posts out loud like a fag.

You're just so fucking stupid it's comical. And tbh, the voice doesn't have a lisp, it's more full throated stupidity like Napoleon Dynamite when he's emotionally invested (of course).

[TSA]

It's touching to hear how emotionally invested you are in me, so much so that you've created a voice for me.

[boutons_deux]

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Screen-shot-2013-08-29-at-1.10.05-PM.png

[boutons_deux]

Underwear-clad man with gun chasing burglars down his street shot by suspicious neighborhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/man-running-underwear-shutterstock.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/30/underwear-clad-man-with-gun-chasing-burglars-down-his-street-shot-by-suspicious-neighbor/

Oklahoma! of course! :lol

[cantthinkofanything]

Underwear-clad man with gun chasing burglars down his street shot by suspicious neighbor

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/man-running-underwear-shutterstock.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/30/underwear-clad-man-with-gun-chasing-burglars-down-his-street-shot-by-suspicious-neighbor/

Oklahoma! of course! :lol




I bet you've got that pic pasted on your bedroom ceiling.

[TSA]

Th'Puther

[Wild Cobra]

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Screen-shot-2013-08-29-at-1.10.05-PM.png

That's not true. In my state, all you need is an address to register to vote. No ID required. The law allows you to vote before the timeline requiring ID.

[TSA]

That's not true. In my state, all you need is an address to register to vote. No ID required. The law allows you to vote before the timeline requiring ID.

The map is charting private sale transactions which are minuscule compared to all other transactions which require an ID. I doubt boutons even realizes this.

[Wild Cobra]

The map is charting private sale transactions which are minuscule compared to all other transactions which require an ID. I doubt boutons even realizes this.
I doubt boutons realizes very many facts at all.

[boutons_deux]

so private sales/gun show loophole sales are minuscule? :lol

got any numbers? oh, so sorry, has NRA blocked gun sales statistics?

how about how many criminals, ex-felons, straw buyers, gang members get their guns from private sales/gun show loophole sales?

[TSA]

so private sales/gun show loophole sales are minuscule? :lol

got any numbers? oh, so sorry, has NRA blocked gun sales statistics?

how about how many criminals, ex-felons, straw buyers, gang members get their guns from private sales/gun show loophole sales?
Yes they are minuscule and yes the numbers are out there. This one already blew up in Obama's face when he lied about the #'s sold through these loopholes. Ask Th'Puther.

[TSA]

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-stale-claim-that-40-percent-of-gun-sales-lack-background-checks/2013/01/20/e42ec050-629a-11e2-b05a-605528f6b712_blog.html

[The Reckoning]

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/robber-tries-to-stick-up-clerk-an-iraq-veteran-who-turns-and-shoves-a-pistol-right-in-his-mouth-video/



http://bcove.me/f620eygz

[boutons_deux]

Florida Man Cites ‘Bush Doctrine’ As Justification For Pre-Emptive Killing At Barbecue (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/05/2577831/florida-man-cites-bush-doctrine-justification-pre-emptive-killing-barbecue/)

William T. Woodward is facing murder charges for the alleged shooting of three people on Labor Day, two of whom have now died. In his defense (http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20130904/NEWS01/309040021/Titusville-slaying-suspect-claims-he-stood-his-ground?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1), his lawyer is not only making a novel legal argument that Florida’s Stand Your Ground law applies, saying he was protecting himself against “imminent death” because of an ongoing dispute between him and the men he shot.

He also invoked the “Bush Doctrine (http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Bush_Doctrine.html),” the foreign policy Bush used to justify aggressive military intervention, to argue that pre-emptive attack can be a form of self-defense, Florida Today reports.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/05/2577831/florida-man-cites-bush-doctrine-justification-pre-emptive-killing-barbecue/

fucking gun fellators, what a bunch murderous assholes! :lol

and lawyer whores will pull any trick for $$ :lol

[boutons_deux]

Toddler shot to death in Yellowstone was killed by father's pistol

The first child to die from gunfire in Yellowstone National Park in three-quarters of a century was a 3-year-old girl killed over the weekend by a bullet shot from her father's handgun at a popular lakeside campsite, park officials said on Sunday.

Little information was released by authorities about the toddler's death since her mother called emergency dispatchers on Saturday to report that her daughter had shot herself at the Grant Village campground on the shores of Yellowstone Lake.

Emergency personnel were unable to resuscitate the child, whose name was being withheld until Monday at the request of the family, who are from Idaho, park spokesman Al Nash said.

The death comes three years after enactment of a federal law that lifted a decades-old ban on the possession of firearms by visitors to most national parks, including Yellowstone.

It marks the first fatal shooting in Yellowstone since 1978, and the first shooting death of a child in the park since 1938, when the 13-year-old son of the park's master mechanic accidentally shot himself in the head with a rifle, Nash said.

A portion of the forested campsite where the shooting occurred remained cordoned off on Sunday as Yellowstone rangers and special agents with the National Park Service continued their investigation of an incident that Nash described as "the kind of thing that isn't supposed to happen here."

Park officials revealed the girl's age on Sunday and said the weapon was a pistol that belonged to her father.

Authorities have declined to say whether investigators believe the shooting was accidental or deliberate.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/09/us-usa-yellowstone-childdeath-idUSBRE98804R20130909?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

more guns = more gun violence, more gun deaths

who was papa bubba gun fellator plannng to shoot in a National Park?

[boutons_deux]

Largest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/13/2617131/largest-gun-study-guns-murder/)

The largest study of gun violence in the United States, released Thursday afternoon, confirms a point that should be obvious: widespread American gun ownership is fueling America’s gun violence epidemic.

The study (http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409), by Professor Michael Siegel at Boston University and two coauthors, has been peer-reviewed and is forthcoming in the American Journal of Public Health (http://ajph.aphapublications.org/toc/ajph/0/0). Siegel and his colleagues compiled data on firearm homicides from all 50 states from 1981-2010, the longest stretch of time ever studied in this fashion, and set about seeing whether they could find any relationship between changes in gun ownership and murder using guns over time.

Since we know that violent crime rates overall declined during that period of time, the authors used something called “fixed effect regression (http://www.jblumenstock.com/files/courses/econ174/FEModels.pdf)” to account for any national trend other than changes in gun ownership. They also employed the largest-ever number of statistical controls for other variables in this kind of gun study: “age, gender, race/ethnicity, urbanization, poverty, unemployment, income, education, income inequality, divorce rate, alcohol use, violent crime rate, nonviolent crime rate, hate crime rate, number of hunting licenses, age-adjusted nonfirearm homicide rate, incarceration rate,and suicide rate” were all accounted for.

No good data on national rates of gun ownership exist (partly because of (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/31/2083181/nra-gun-research-crowdsource/) the NRA’s stranglehold on Congress), so the authors used the percentage of suicides that involve a firearm (FS/S) as a proxy. The theory, backed up by a wealth of data, is that the more guns there are any in any one place, the higher the percentage of people who commit suicide with guns as opposed to other mechanisms will be.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/13/2617131/largest-gun-study-guns-murder/

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Tampa boy recovering after accidental shooting

A 9-year-old Tampa boy is recovering in the hospital after what police are calling an accidental shooting.

Police say the boy was shot in the arm as he and two other boys played with a gun on Friday. The victim was in stable condition in the hospital on Saturday.

http://m.miamiherald.com/mh/db_42936/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=PQ8Myqvh

dead, injured kids are simply COLLATERAL DAMAGE of the dickless marans' adoration of the 2nd Amendment

NRA: "Guns don't kill children. Children kill children" :lol

[m>s]

you're not getting the guns commie, they're guaranteed under the constitution. are you american yes or no?

[boutons_deux]

you're not getting the guns commie, they're guaranteed under the constitution. are you american yes or no?

:lol typical gun fellatin bubba straw man. "They're coming for our guns?" :lol

and if I don't blindly adore the 2nd Amendment, I'm not American? :lol

fuckin cretins, every one of ya.

[TSA]

Largest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/13/2617131/largest-gun-study-guns-murder/)

The largest study of gun violence in the United States, released Thursday afternoon, confirms a point that should be obvious: widespread American gun ownership is fueling America’s gun violence epidemic.

The study (http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409), by Professor Michael Siegel at Boston University and two coauthors, has been peer-reviewed and is forthcoming in the American Journal of Public Health (http://ajph.aphapublications.org/toc/ajph/0/0). Siegel and his colleagues compiled data on firearm homicides from all 50 states from 1981-2010, the longest stretch of time ever studied in this fashion, and set about seeing whether they could find any relationship between changes in gun ownership and murder using guns over time.

Since we know that violent crime rates overall declined during that period of time, the authors used something called “fixed effect regression (http://www.jblumenstock.com/files/courses/econ174/FEModels.pdf)” to account for any national trend other than changes in gun ownership. They also employed the largest-ever number of statistical controls for other variables in this kind of gun study: “age, gender, race/ethnicity, urbanization, poverty, unemployment, income, education, income inequality, divorce rate, alcohol use, violent crime rate, nonviolent crime rate, hate crime rate, number of hunting licenses, age-adjusted nonfirearm homicide rate, incarceration rate,and suicide rate” were all accounted for.

No good data on national rates of gun ownership exist (partly because of (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/31/2083181/nra-gun-research-crowdsource/) the NRA’s stranglehold on Congress), so the authors used the percentage of suicides that involve a firearm (FS/S) as a proxy. The theory, backed up by a wealth of data, is that the more guns there are any in any one place, the higher the percentage of people who commit suicide with guns as opposed to other mechanisms will be.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/13/2617131/largest-gun-study-guns-murder/




Do you even read the bullshit you post?

"Of course, the authors don’t find that rates of gun ownership explain all of America’s gun violence epidemic: race, economic inequality and generally violent areas all contribute to an area’s propensity for gun deaths, suggesting that broader social inequality, not gun ownership alone, contributes to the gun violence epidemic"

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"propensity for gun deaths"

there wouldn't be (so many) gun deaths if gun indu$try shills/dupes like you hadn't flooded the country with 300M+ guns, available everywhere to anybody, and effectively UNregulated.

[m>s]

:lol typical gun fellatin bubba straw man. "They're coming for our guns?" :lol

and if I don't blindly adore the 2nd Amendment, I'm not American? :lol

fuckin cretins, every one of ya.

the 2nd amendment is part of america, part of our constitution. you can't be an american and not support the bill of rights, you have to pick a lane and stay in it. those 10 rights aren't granted or given by the state, they are natural born rights meaning the state has no business infringing upon them nor do they need to be granted by the state.

when the dust settles and the 2nd american revolutionary war is complete and the arrest of antiamerican elements begins, i'm going to personally make sure you don't fall through the cracks by reporting you to the war crimes commission.

[boutons_deux]

the 2nd amendment is part of america, part of our constitution. you can't be an american and not support the bill of rights, you have to pick a lane and stay in it. those 10 rights aren't granted or given by the state, they are natural born rights meaning the state has no business infringing upon them nor do they need to be granted by the state.

when the dust settles and the 2nd american revolutionary war is complete and the arrest of antiamerican elements begins, i'm going to personally make sure you don't fall through the cracks by reporting you to the war crimes commission.

... more proof you're ignorant, a cretin, typical gun fellator.

[m>s]

i may be all of that but i'm also an american and you won't infringe upon the bill of rights on our watch. keep on jerkin' that little dick and dreaming, that's about as far as you'll get. a wise man once said don't bring a dildo to a gun fight, and that's the exact mistake that you libtards are making. remember the penalty for treason is death.

[m>s]

double post

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i may be all of that but i'm also an american and you won't infringe upon the bill of rights on our watch. keep on jerkin' that little dick and dreaming, that's about as far as you'll get. a wise man once said don't bring a dildo to a gun fight, and that's the exact mistake that you libtards are making. remember the penalty for treason is death.

... more proof you're ignorant, a cretin, typical gun fellator.

[m>s]

more proof you have nothing to say and shrivel up when faced with the truth

[boutons_deux]

more proof you have nothing to say and shrivel up when faced with the truth

... more proof you're ignorant, a cretin, typical gun fellator.

[boutons_deux]

asshole fun fellators' idea of "look at my big dick" fun

Police Halt Two Men With Assault Rifles Outside Farmers Market — Now The Men Might Sue (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/15/2622991/police-halt-men-assault-rifles-farmers-market-men-sue/)

Earlier this month, two men decided to wander into a crowded farmers market in Appleton, Wisconsin each with an AR-15 assault rifle strapped across their back (http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20130913/APC0101/309130252/Appleton-leaders-defend-police-response-assault-rifles-farmers-market-story-video-). They did not make it to the market. After several residents called 911 (http://www.postcrescent.com/videonetwork/2670255001001), expressing concerns about the two gun-toting men. Police briefly detained the men, with at least one officer drawing his weapon after they determined that the assault rifles were real. The men were briefly handcuffed and detained but were eventually released without citations.

Although open carry is legal in Wisconsin, police say they stopped the men to prevent a panic — “walking into a farmers market filled with a couple thousand individuals would be a recipe for disaster (http://www.sheboyganpress.com/article/20130913/SHE0101/309130256/Men-openly-carrying-AR-15-rifles-in-Appleton-spark-gun-debate-with-video-911-audio-?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE).” Yet the a county attorney told the Appleton Post-Crescent that the men could not be charged because “they had not made it to the farmers market” at the point when they were stopped and the men are reportedly considering a lawsuit against the police. In video of the men’s encounter with the police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux2yZrJX3fw&feature=player_embedded), one of the men tells an officer that they are carrying a highly visible pair of assault rifles into a crowded public market for “self defense.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/15/2622991/police-halt-men-assault-rifles-farmers-market-men-sue/

puerile, cretinous assholes building the GUN FELLATOR brand.

[Wild Cobra]

you're not getting the guns commie, they're guaranteed under the constitution. are you american yes or no?
He's a Castro wannabe.

[Wild Cobra]

asshole fun fellators' idea of "look at my big dick" fun

Police Halt Two Men With Assault Rifles Outside Farmers Market — Now The Men Might Sue (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/15/2622991/police-halt-men-assault-rifles-farmers-market-men-sue/)

Earlier this month, two men decided to wander into a crowded farmers market in Appleton, Wisconsin each with an AR-15 assault rifle strapped across their back (http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20130913/APC0101/309130252/Appleton-leaders-defend-police-response-assault-rifles-farmers-market-story-video-). They did not make it to the market. After several residents called 911 (http://www.postcrescent.com/videonetwork/2670255001001), expressing concerns about the two gun-toting men. Police briefly detained the men, with at least one officer drawing his weapon after they determined that the assault rifles were real. The men were briefly handcuffed and detained but were eventually released without citations.

Although open carry is legal in Wisconsin, police say they stopped the men to prevent a panic — “walking into a farmers market filled with a couple thousand individuals would be a recipe for disaster (http://www.sheboyganpress.com/article/20130913/SHE0101/309130256/Men-openly-carrying-AR-15-rifles-in-Appleton-spark-gun-debate-with-video-911-audio-?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE).” Yet the a county attorney told the Appleton Post-Crescent that the men could not be charged because “they had not made it to the farmers market” at the point when they were stopped and the men are reportedly considering a lawsuit against the police. In video of the men’s encounter with the police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux2yZrJX3fw&feature=player_embedded), one of the men tells an officer that they are carrying a highly visible pair of assault rifles into a crowded public market for “self defense.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/15/2622991/police-halt-men-assault-rifles-farmers-market-men-sue/

puerile, cretinous assholes building the GUN FELLATOR brand.



I hope they sue the hell out of the police department.

If people can't keep from wetting their panties, they should stay home.

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:lol

Two concealed carry permit holders shoot and kill each other in Michigan (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/19/1239955/-Two-concealed-carry-permit-holders-shoot-and-kill-each-other-in-Michigan)

Two drivers are dead after a road rage incident escalated into a shootout. The incident happened around 6:45p.m. Wednesday on M-66 near Steele Street.Witnesses tell WZZM 13 a one driver was following another driver too closely. The first driver pulled into a car wash parking lot and the other driver followed them into the parking lot.
Witnesses say the driver of the following car fired shots, and the first driver returned fire. Both drivers were shot and killed. Authorities say both men, ages 43 and 56, had licenses to carry concealed weapons.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/19/1239955/-Two-concealed-carry-permit-holders-shoot-and-kill-each-other-in-Michigan?detail=email#

:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Yeah. That's hilarious.http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

[boutons_deux]

TB :lol YOU ARE :lol

[boutons_deux]

Gun Nuts Go Too Far Again -- And This Time, Even Gun Advocates Are Calling the Gun Crazies "Idiots"

Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz has decided that gun nuts do not go with lattes.

On Tuesday, he wrote an open letter to “Fellow Americans” respectfully asking gun owners not to bring their weapons into his nationwide chain of coffee shops, even in states where “open carry” laws permit residents to carry guns in public.

The request, which has drawn wide media attention and condemnation from pro-gun groups, came after gun-control foes targeted Starbucks. They saw a business with liberal values and decided to hold “Starbucks Appreciation Days,” during which they marched into Starbucks with their guns in plain view, ordered drinks, and lingered with their guns—including assault rifles—leaning against their chairs and laps.

The most confrontational of these incendiary protests was to take place at a coffee shop on August 9 in Newtown, Connecticut, near the elementary school where a shooter killed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting) 20 children and six staff members last December. In response, Starbucks’ corporate management closed that store early, “out of respect for Newtown and everything the community has been through,” the company’s website announced (http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Starbucks-Coffee-Gun-Rights-Appreciation-Day-Newtown-218920241.html). Newtown Action Alliance, a gun-control group formed after the shootings, said (http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Starbucks-Coffee-Gun-Rights-Appreciation-Day-Newtown-218920241.html) the protest by gun advocates from Connecticut Open Carry (https://www.facebook.com/groups/CTOpenCarry/) was “reprehensible.”

But the gun nuts did not stop there. In this YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN0GcahEvIc#t=23) from San Antonio, Texas, three men gloated about sitting outside of a Starbucks with military-style rifles in their laps to enjoy their coffees and “freedoms.” After police showed up as asked what was going on and said that creating a disturbance was a crime, one man replied, “If someone has a problem with what were doing, that doesn’t mean we are breaking the law.”

Open Carry supporters even made stickers (http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/We%20alienated%20Starbucks%20and%20the%20public%3B %20driving%20them%20into%20the%20arms%20of%20the%2 0gun-grabbers,%20who%20now%20get%20to%20claim%20a%20vic tory%20in%20the%20war%20against%20our%20rights.%20 %20We%20can%20and%20do%20praise%20and%20patronize% 20companies%20for%20respecting%20our%20rights,%20b ut%20we%20CAN%20NOT%20abuse%20their%20respect%20an d%20turn%20their%20places%20of%20business%20into%2 0a%20circus%20or%20a%20political%20arena.) of the woman in the center of the Starbucks logo holding two pistols, surrounded by “I LOVE [heart] GUNS & COFFEE.”

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/gun-nuts-go-too-far-again-and-time-even-gun-advocates-are-calling-gun-crazies-idiots?akid=10952.187590.L0bYIw&rd=1&src=newsletter898716&t=3

as if we needed any more proof that you gun fellators are puerile, dickless wannabe-Mr-Macho/Rambo assholes. :lol

[TSA]

Gun Nuts Go Too Far Again -- And This Time, Even Gun Advocates Are Calling the Gun Crazies "Idiots"

Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz has decided that gun nuts do not go with lattes.

On Tuesday, he wrote an open letter to “Fellow Americans” respectfully asking gun owners not to bring their weapons into his nationwide chain of coffee shops, even in states where “open carry” laws permit residents to carry guns in public.

The request, which has drawn wide media attention and condemnation from pro-gun groups, came after gun-control foes targeted Starbucks. They saw a business with liberal values and decided to hold “Starbucks Appreciation Days,” during which they marched into Starbucks with their guns in plain view, ordered drinks, and lingered with their guns—including assault rifles—leaning against their chairs and laps.

The most confrontational of these incendiary protests was to take place at a coffee shop on August 9 in Newtown, Connecticut, near the elementary school where a shooter killed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting) 20 children and six staff members last December. In response, Starbucks’ corporate management closed that store early, “out of respect for Newtown and everything the community has been through,” the company’s website announced (http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Starbucks-Coffee-Gun-Rights-Appreciation-Day-Newtown-218920241.html). Newtown Action Alliance, a gun-control group formed after the shootings, said (http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Starbucks-Coffee-Gun-Rights-Appreciation-Day-Newtown-218920241.html) the protest by gun advocates from Connecticut Open Carry (https://www.facebook.com/groups/CTOpenCarry/) was “reprehensible.”

But the gun nuts did not stop there. In this YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN0GcahEvIc#t=23) from San Antonio, Texas, three men gloated about sitting outside of a Starbucks with military-style rifles in their laps to enjoy their coffees and “freedoms.” After police showed up as asked what was going on and said that creating a disturbance was a crime, one man replied, “If someone has a problem with what were doing, that doesn’t mean we are breaking the law.”

Open Carry supporters even made stickers (http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/We%20alienated%20Starbucks%20and%20the%20public%3B %20driving%20them%20into%20the%20arms%20of%20the%2 0gun-grabbers,%20who%20now%20get%20to%20claim%20a%20vic tory%20in%20the%20war%20against%20our%20rights.%20 %20We%20can%20and%20do%20praise%20and%20patronize% 20companies%20for%20respecting%20our%20rights,%20b ut%20we%20CAN%20NOT%20abuse%20their%20respect%20an d%20turn%20their%20places%20of%20business%20into%2 0a%20circus%20or%20a%20political%20arena.) of the woman in the center of the Starbucks logo holding two pistols, surrounded by “I LOVE [heart] GUNS & COFFEE.”

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/gun-nuts-go-too-far-again-and-time-even-gun-advocates-are-calling-gun-crazies-idiots?akid=10952.187590.L0bYIw&rd=1&src=newsletter898716&t=3

as if we needed any more proof that you gun fellators are puerile, dickless wannabe-Mr-Macho/Rambo assholes. :lol








You forgot a key part of the article, you know, the actual response from Schulz.


These actions prompted Starbuck’s president and CEO to draw a fine line: not outright banning guns in states with open carry laws but asking people to leave their guns outside his business. Howard Schultz wrote:

“Our company’s longstanding approach to “open carry” has been to follow local laws: we permit it in states where allowed and we prohibit it in states where these laws don’t exist. We have chosen this approach because we believe our store partners should not be put in the uncomfortable position of requiring customers to disarm or leave our stores. We believe that gun policy should be addressed by government and law enforcement—not by Starbucks and our store partners.

“Recently, however, we’ve seen the “open carry” debate become increasingly uncivil and, in some cases, even threatening. Pro-gun activists have used our stores as a political stage for media events misleadingly called “Starbucks Appreciation Days” that disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of “open carry.” To be clear: we do not want these events in our stores. Some anti-gun activists have also played a role in ratcheting up the rhetoric and friction, including soliciting and confronting our customers and partners.”

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I forgot nothing, I gave the link for your enlightenment

you assholes ignore: "To be clear: we do not want these events in our stores"

[boutons_deux]

The number of guns per capita per country was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death in a given country, whereas the predictive power of the mental illness burden was of borderline significance in a multivariable model. Regardless of exact cause and effect, however, the current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.


There is little question that the combination of mental illness and easy access to guns may prove to be synergistic in their lethality, as was seen in the shootings in Aurora, Tucson, at Virginia Tech, in Oak Creek, and other places in recent years. On the opposite end stands the contention that fewer firearms would reduce crime rates and overall lead to greater safety. Yet many of these arguments from both sides are based on little or no evidence. We sought to evaluate the relationship between prevalence of gun ownership and mental illness on firearm-related death in a given country.



Looking at international data, here's what they found:


In having almost as many guns as it has people, prevalence of private gun ownership was the highest in the US among both developed and developing countries. Japan, on the other end, had an extremely low gun ownership rate (see Table below). Similarly, South Africa (9.4 per 100,000) and the US (10.2 per 100,000) had extremely high firearm-related deaths, whereas the United Kingdom (0.25 per 100,000) had an extremely low rate of firearm-related deaths. There was a significant positive correlation between guns per capita per country and the rate of firearm-related deaths ( r ¼ 0.80; P < .0001) ( Figure, A ), with Japan being on one end of the spectrum and the US being on the other. In this correlation, South Africa was the only outlier in that the observed firearms-related death rate was several times higher than expected from gun ownership.



http://www.commondreams.org/sites/commondreams.org/files/imce-images/guns_1.jpg

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/09/18-1

[boobie4three]

CNN'S DON LEMON: WITHOUT GUNS 'ARE WE SETTING OURSELVES UP TO BE SITTING DUCKS'?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/don_zpsc5775c3f.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/don_zpsc5775c3f.jpg.html)

by AWR HAWKINS 20 Sep 2013

As a guest on the Tom Joyner radio show, CNN host Don Lemon said he has come to see that guns are not necessarily a problem but being unarmed is. While communicating this position, he asked rhetorically, "[Without guns] are we setting ourselves up to be sitting ducks?"
Lemon said that looking at hard numbers and reading gun studies has helped him see "that most gun violence, and most crime in the country, [is] not worse, but is going down," even as news outlets increase their focus on mass shootings.
He said data shows "you have a better chance of getting shot walking down your street, getting into an altercation, or getting robbed in cities like New Orleans, Baltimore, Miami, D.C., Atlanta, or Cleveland than you do in getting shot or killed in a mass shooting."
Lemon says street crime in many big cities is an "epidemic," and for that reason remaining unarmed may not be the smartest route to take: "Armed with just our cellphones, our fists and our wits, are we setting ourselves up to be sitting ducks, defenseless in the face of a sane, or an insane person, armed to the teeth and bent on killing?"

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/09/20/CNN-s-Don-Lemon-Without-Guns-Are-We-Setting-Ourselves-Up-To-Be-Sitting-Ducks

So mote it be.

[lefty]

Gun Nuts Go Too Far Again -- And This Time, Even Gun Advocates Are Calling the Gun Crazies "Idiots"

Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz has decided that gun nuts do not go with lattes.

On Tuesday, he wrote an open letter to “Fellow Americans” respectfully asking gun owners not to bring their weapons into his nationwide chain of coffee shops, even in states where “open carry” laws permit residents to carry guns in public.

The request, which has drawn wide media attention and condemnation from pro-gun groups, came after gun-control foes targeted Starbucks. They saw a business with liberal values and decided to hold “Starbucks Appreciation Days,” during which they marched into Starbucks with their guns in plain view, ordered drinks, and lingered with their guns—including assault rifles—leaning against their chairs and laps.

The most confrontational of these incendiary protests was to take place at a coffee shop on August 9 in Newtown, Connecticut, near the elementary school where a shooter killed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting) 20 children and six staff members last December. In response, Starbucks’ corporate management closed that store early, “out of respect for Newtown and everything the community has been through,” the company’s website announced (http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Starbucks-Coffee-Gun-Rights-Appreciation-Day-Newtown-218920241.html). Newtown Action Alliance, a gun-control group formed after the shootings, said (http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Starbucks-Coffee-Gun-Rights-Appreciation-Day-Newtown-218920241.html) the protest by gun advocates from Connecticut Open Carry (https://www.facebook.com/groups/CTOpenCarry/) was “reprehensible.”

But the gun nuts did not stop there. In this YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN0GcahEvIc#t=23) from San Antonio, Texas, three men gloated about sitting outside of a Starbucks with military-style rifles in their laps to enjoy their coffees and “freedoms.” After police showed up as asked what was going on and said that creating a disturbance was a crime, one man replied, “If someone has a problem with what were doing, that doesn’t mean we are breaking the law.”

Open Carry supporters even made stickers (http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/We%20alienated%20Starbucks%20and%20the%20public%3B %20driving%20them%20into%20the%20arms%20of%20the%2 0gun-grabbers,%20who%20now%20get%20to%20claim%20a%20vic tory%20in%20the%20war%20against%20our%20rights.%20 %20We%20can%20and%20do%20praise%20and%20patronize% 20companies%20for%20respecting%20our%20rights,%20b ut%20we%20CAN%20NOT%20abuse%20their%20respect%20an d%20turn%20their%20places%20of%20business%20into%2 0a%20circus%20or%20a%20political%20arena.) of the woman in the center of the Starbucks logo holding two pistols, surrounded by “I LOVE [heart] GUNS & COFFEE.”

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/gun-nuts-go-too-far-again-and-time-even-gun-advocates-are-calling-gun-crazies-idiots?akid=10952.187590.L0bYIw&rd=1&src=newsletter898716&t=3

as if we needed any more proof that you gun fellators are puerile, dickless wannabe-Mr-Macho/Rambo assholes. :lol





Guuuuuuuns ....... beer ............... bbq ........... gut .............. grrrrr ............ manly !


We have guuuuuuuuuuuuuns ..................... we have biggers dicks now .............. guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuns

[boutons_deux]

Indiana 8-Year-Old Accidentally Shot By 11-Year-Old Brother
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/indiana-8-year-old-accidentally-shot-by-11-year-old-brother

[Parker2112]

Liberals in this country support arming radical Muslims in Syria who are killing Muslim men, women and children of color, and the killing of men, women and children of color in other Middle Eastern countries, because a man of color tells them its necessary. Glaring idiocy?!?!?!?

[boutons_deux]

"Liberals in this country support arming radical Muslims in Syria"

:lol You Lie, and go downhill from there.

[Parker2112]

The coopting of the Democratic parties and mindless liberals fawning over a man of color is responsible for untold hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide. Congrats, BD!!!

[AntiChrist]

The U.S. Has More Guns, But Russia Has More Murders

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2013/09/19/224043848/the-u-s-has-more-guns-but-russia-has-more-murders

[boutons_deux]

Over 360,000 Gun Deaths Since 9/11 -- From the Outside It Looks Like America Is a Country Gripped by Civil War

The annual toll from firearms in the US is running at 32,000 deaths (http://www.policymic.com/articles/21330/there-are-32-000-gun-deaths-a-year-in-the-u-s-here-is-how-we-get-that-number-to-zero) and climbing, even though the general crime rate is on a downward path (it is 40% lower than in 1980). If this perennial slaughter doesn't qualify for intercession by the UN and all relevant NGOs, it is hard to know what does.

To absorb the scale of the mayhem, it's worth trying to guess the death toll of all the wars in American history since the War of Independence began in 1775, and follow that by estimating the number killed by firearms in the US since the day that Robert F. Kennedy was shot in 1968 by a .22 Iver-Johnson handgun, wielded by Sirhan Sirhan. The figures from Congressional Research Service (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf), plus recent statistics fromicasualties.org (http://icasualties.org/), tell us that from the first casualties in the battle of Lexington to recent operations in Afghanistan, the toll is 1,171,177. By contrast, the number killed by firearms, including suicides, since 1968, according to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (http://www.cdc.gov/) and the FBI, is 1,384,171.

That 212,994 more Americans lost their lives from firearms in the last 45 years than in all wars involving the US is a staggering fact, particularly when you place it in the context of the safety-conscious, "secondary smoke" obsessions that characterise so much of American life.

Everywhere you look in America, people are trying to make life safer. On roads, for example, there has been a huge effort in the past 50 years to enforce speed limits, crack down on drink/drug driving and build safety features into highways, as well as vehicles. The result is a steadily improving record; by 2015, forecasters predict (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html) that for first time road deaths will be fewer than those caused by firearms (32,036 to 32,929).

Plainly, there's no equivalent effort in the area of privately owned firearms. Indeed, most politicians do everything they can to make the country less safe. Recently, a Democrat senator from Arkansas named Mark Pryor (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/31/pryor-guns-bloomberg-campaign-ad/2375585/) ran a TV ad against the gun-control campaign funded by NY mayor Michael Bloomberg – one of the few politicians to stand up to the NRA lobby – explaining why he was against enhanced background checks on gun owners yet was committed to "finding real solutions to violence".

http://admin.alternet.org/civil-liberties/us-death-toll-firearms-suggests-america-country-gripped-civil-war?akid=10971.187590.XeIl34&rd=1&src=newsletter900814&t=7

[boutons_deux]

The Case for Gun Liability Laws (http://www.thenation.com/blog/176317/case-gun-liability-laws)

Knives. Automobiles. Cold medicine. Alcohol. Cigarettes. Coffee (http://dailycoffeenews.com/2013/07/02/hot-coffee-lawsuits-keep-coming-are-you-ready/).

What do these items have in common?

They’re all held to a higher safety standard than firearms.

Because of product-liability (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/05/opinion/la-oe-schiff-nra-liability-shield-20130205) law, manufacturers must equip them with proper warnings, limitations and built-in designs that enhance their safety.

If they don’t, consumers can sue them for harm caused by the product. And all consumer products manufacturers are required to ensure that their products are free of design defects and don’t threaten public safety.



Guns, as Jonathan Lowy of the Brady Center (http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/12/18/bushmaster-paid-after-malvo-killings-and-may-yet-pay-again/) to Prevent Gun Violence’s Legal Action Project has said, are “the only consumer product in America with no federal safety oversight.”

Firearms haven’t always been a protected class; but as the industry lost millions in lawsuits over the years, liability protection became the NRA’s holy grail (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/21/politics/21guns.html?_r=0).

Before 2005, the Brady Center — named for President Reagan’s press secretary James Brady, who was shot and paralyzed in a failed assassination attempt on the president — had launched multiple lawsuits around the country. Los Angeles, New York and 30 other cities, counties and states had filed civil lawsuits (http://www.thenation.com/article/gun-industry-buys-bulletproof-political-protection#axzz2fT8Bdodb)against gun manufacturers — including a $100 million suit against the gun industry (http://www.nytimes.com/1999/01/31/nyregion/after-tobacco-handgun-lawsuits.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm) by Bridgeport, Connecticut in 1999. The pain inflicted on negligent manufacturers was real and it was expensive.

In 2003, Bryco Arms declared bankruptcy after paying $24 million in the case of a 7-year-old boy who was paralyzed by a defective gun.

Before the gun lobby successfully killed all gun control legislation, there were some key wins in the fight to hold gun manufacturers liable. Last year, the New York State appellate court (http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/10/12/ny-courts-decision-in-gun-liability-case-described-as-groundbreaking/) ruled that a Buffalo man who was shot nearly a decade ago could sue the gun manufacturer, distributor and dealer. In January 2013, Rep. Adam Schiff (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/01/14/169317524/lawmaker-plans-bill-to-lift-immunity-for-gun-manufacturers-and-dealers) introduced legislation to fight legal immunity for gun manufacturers and dealers, the Access to Justice for Victims of Gun Violence Act.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176317/case-gun-liability-laws#

[TSA]

First of all................ :lmao at UN intervention. If they want to see firearm deaths they are welcome to step foot on US soil and demand that guns be turned in. The UN needs to focus on countries that actually have homicide problems, the US is far down that list.
Over 360,000 Gun Deaths Since 9/11 -- From the Outside It Looks Like America Is a Country Gripped by Civil War
The annual toll from firearms in the US is running at 32,000 deaths (http://www.policymic.com/articles/21330/there-are-32-000-gun-deaths-a-year-in-the-u-s-here-is-how-we-get-that-number-to-zero) and climbing, even though the general crime rate is on a downward path (it is 40% lower than in 1980). If this perennial slaughter doesn't qualify for intercession by the UN and all relevant NGOs, it is hard to know what does.Second, your article conviently leaves out some important information.
Take out the 20,000 or so suicides by gun and we are looking at roughly 12,000 homicides by firearm per year.
"Firearms were used in 19,392 suicides in the U.S. in 2010, constituting almost 62% of all gun deaths"

Your article also leaves out that while general crime is down since the 80's, so is homicide by firearm.
" The national homicide rate for 2011 was 4.8 per 100,000 citizens — less than half of what it was in the early years of the Great Depression, when it peaked before falling precipitously before World War II. The peak in modern times of 10.2 was in 1980, as recorded by national criminal statistics."


Fuck you boutons and fuck your articles, next time read them before you post them.

[boutons_deux]

First of all................ :lmao at UN intervention. If they want to see firearm deaths they are welcome to step foot on US soil and demand that guns be turned in. The UN needs to focus on countries that actually have homicide problems, the US is far down that list.Second, your article conviently leaves out some important information.
Take out the 20,000 or so suicides by gun and we are looking at roughly 12,000 homicides by firearm per year.
"Firearms were used in 19,392 suicides in the U.S. in 2010, constituting almost 62% of all gun deaths"

Your article also leaves out that while general crime is down since the 80's, so is homicide by firearm.
" The national homicide rate for 2011 was 4.8 per 100,000 citizens — less than half of what it was in the early years of the Great Depression, when it peaked before falling precipitously before World War II. The peak in modern times of 10.2 was in 1980, as recorded by national criminal statistics."


Fuck you boutons and fuck your articles, next time read them before you post them.

suicides by gun are much more successful than suicides ATTEMPTED by other means, but you, gun fellator extraordinaire, exclude gun suicide from gun violence? You people are fucking sickos.

[TeyshaBlue]

Fuck you boutons and fuck your articles, next time read them before you post them.

Why start now?

[TeyshaBlue]

NB4 :cry Stop stalking me! :cry

[cantthinkofanything]

suicides by gun are much more successful than suicides ATTEMPTED by other means, but you, gun fellator extraordinaire, exclude gun suicide from gun violence? You people are fucking sickos.

so you don't think someone has the right to check out? and you think that if there were no guns, it would significantly lower the incidents of attempted suicide?

[boutons_deux]

"so you don't think someone has the right to check out?"

I didn't say that.

"you think that if there were no guns, it would significantly lower the incidents of attempted suicide?"

impossible to say, but LESS GUNS would mean successful suicides. The reliability, speed, painlessness of gun suicide might tempt people to attempt more than if guns weren't widely available.

in any case, gun suicide IS GUN VIOLENCE and GUN DEATHS.

[TSA]

suicides by gun are much more successful than suicides ATTEMPTED by other means, but you, gun fellator extraordinaire, exclude gun suicide from gun violence? You people are fucking sickos.

A suicide is a suicide.

[Th'Pusher]

A suicide is a suicide.
But an attempted suicide is not a suicide.

[TSA]

But an attempted suicide is not a suicide.

And?

[boutons_deux]

A suicide is a suicide.

a gun fellator is a gun fellator

http://lostallhope.com/lah_images/us_methods_of_suicide_2006.png


(http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide)Most lethal methods of suicide: (http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide)
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods (http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide)

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide

[Th'Pusher]

And?
Guns enable the efficacy of suicide.

[cantthinkofanything]

Guns enable the efficacy of suicide.

I thought you and boutons were pro abortion???

[TSA]

Guns enable the efficacy of suicide.

I don't see anything wrong with efficient suicide.

[boutons_deux]

I thought you and boutons were pro abortion???

I hate abortion, I'm pro-choice.

[Th'Pusher]

I thought you and boutons were pro abortion???
Unborn babies kill themselves?

[m>s]

Anti gun is pro rape

[Th'Pusher]

I don't see anything wrong with efficient suicide.
Then you should support legislation for assisted suicide. Arming suicidal people is probably not the smartest route.

[AntiChrist]

a gun fellator is a gun fellator




a hack is a hack

[cantthinkofanything]

I hate abortion, I'm pro-choice.

so you're OK with making sure women have an effective way to kill human American babies but not OK with human American people having an effective way to kill themselves

got it.

[Th'Pusher]

so you're OK with making sure women have an effective way to kill human American babies but not OK with human American people having an effective way to kill themselves

got it.

I find it amusing the cold dead hands crew has been reduced to arguing that guns are effective tools for suicide and that's a good thing.

[cantthinkofanything]

I find it amusing the cold dead hands crew has been reduced to arguing that guns are effective tools for suicide and that's a good thing.

no...just don't think suicides should be included in gun violence

[TSA]

I find it amusing the cold dead hands crew has been reduced to arguing that guns are effective tools for suicide and that's a good thing.

I addressed boutons bullshit article. Care to do the same or do you want to argue more about how a person decides to kill himself?

[Th'Pusher]

I addressed boutons bullshit article. Care to do the same or do you want to argue more about how a person decides to kill himself?
Most people kill themselves with guns dude. That's the point. I don't give a fuck if you call it gun violence or not.

[boutons_deux]

the basic fact is MORE GUNS = MORE GUN VIOLENCE, MORE GUN DEATHS

whether killing yourself or someone else, that basic fact remains

MORE GUNS = more gun industry profits

2nd Amendment? :lol

personal/home defense? :lol

marans! all of you :lol

[cantthinkofanything]

marans! all of you :lol

http://i2.listal.com/image/923038/600full-josie-maran.jpg

[TSA]

Most people kill themselves with guns dude. That's the point. I don't give a fuck if you call it gun violence or not.

There is quite a big difference between killing someone and killing yourself, you should give a fuck.

[Th'Pusher]

There is quite a big difference between killing someone and killing yourself, you should give a fuck.
Killing yourself isn't a violent act? Or are you trying ineptly to make an argument that a person should have the liberty to kill oneself as long as you don't tread on me :lol

[TSA]

Killing yourself isn't a violent act? Or are you trying ineptly to make an argument that a person should have the liberty to kill oneself as long as you don't tread on me :lol

When discussing gun violence, suicide by firearm should not be included as they account for 62% of all firearm deaths. It's included in so people go "OMG! 32,000 gun deaths a year! 32,000 murders a year!"

I personally don't care how someone commits suicide. If I had to go out by suicide I'd choose heroin overdose, not sure why that isn't more popular.

[Th'Pusher]

When discussing gun violence, suicide by firearm should not be included as they account for 62% of all firearm deaths. It's included in so people go "OMG! 32,000 gun deaths a year! 32,000 murders a year!"

I personally don't care how someone commits suicide. If I had to go out by suicide I'd choose heroin overdose, not sure why that isn't more popular.
So in the case of a murder suicide, does that count as one or two gun related deaths according to the official TSA calculation?

[TSA]

So in the case of a murder suicide, does that count as one or two gun related deaths according to the official TSA calculation?

Two gun related deaths. Thank you for using that term, it is much more appropriate. :tu

[DMC]

Killing yourself isn't a violent act? Or are you trying ineptly to make an argument that a person should have the liberty to kill oneself as long as you don't tread on me :lol

A person does have the liberty to commit suicide. That's why it happens all the time, even with kids.

[boutons_deux]

no one is denying "liberty to commit suicide", but treating guns like deadly weapons, of mass destruction, rather than toys and penis substitutes, making guns much more difficult to obtain by just about everybody, some, many? suicides by other means would fail, and perhaps the persons would receive help to keep on living.

[rascal]

:lol typical gun fellatin bubba straw man. "They're coming for our guns?" :lol

and if I don't blindly adore the 2nd Amendment, I'm not American? :lol

fuckin cretins, every one of ya.

Agree. Conservatives are assholes.

[m>s]

Anti gun is pro rape

[boutons_deux]

Anti gun is pro rape

what's the NRA stats on rapists killed or scared off by an armed rape target

[boutons_deux]

oops! :lol gun fellators! :lol

Loaded gun falls to floor at ‘libtard-hating’ Pennsylvania police chief Mark Kessler’s termination hearing

The “libtard-hating (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/20/town-votes-to-fire-libtard-hating-pennsylvannia-police-chief-but-he-wont-go-quietly/)” Pennsylvania police chief who gained online infamy for his violent and degrading Youtube videos (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/23/pennsylvania-police-chief-fck-all-you-libtards-out-there-you-take-it-in-the-a/) faces a termination hearing tonight. The hearing, which is still underway, was interrupted when a loaded handgun fell from the holster of a Kessler supporter.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/10/loaded-gun-falls-to-floor-at-libtard-hating-pennsylvania-police-chief-mark-kesslers-termination-hearing/

highly trained, skilled, safety-obsessed gun fellators! :lol