States With Most Gun Laws Have Fewest Gun Deaths

[BradLohaus]

namely?

How close your distant ancestors lived to the equator.

[TSA]

I take two things from this.

1) You have no credibility.
2) You claim trolling anytime you say stupid shit.

1) Do your own research
2) You were trolled

[Th'Pusher]

So buttons posted this:


The Myth of the Good Guy with a Gun: How I was Almost Curtis Reeves

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/01/the-myth-of-the-good-guy-with-a-gun-how-i-was-almost-curtis-reeves/



You come back with this (using now admittedly flawed statistics) as a rebuttal to Bouton's story.

So the guy didn't kill anyone. Cool story bro.

Here are some cool stats to go with your cool story.

General Public .042802 murders per 1,000 citizens per year.

CCW Holders .00425 murders per 1,000 citizens per year.

Fuzzy then points out that you don't understand the statistics you posted because you're not considering population size.


There are ~7m CCL in the US. The population is ~350m. That is ~2% of the population with concealed carry. Yet they have 10% of the total murders when if it was the same rate then they would have 2% per capita ie 5 times the rate.

Now, you're completely lost and don't even understand the basic math Fuzzy did on the numbers you provided.

Where is your data coming from? Be sure you are not including CCW suicides in your murder stats.



1) Do your own research
2) You were trolled

Then you post an article claiming that the numbers you originally posted to refute Boutons article were flawed and you were doing this all to Troll Fuzzy? Pretty elaborate troll job there.

You are likely bordering on mental retardation.

[TSA]

I was trying to troll boutons but he's didn't take the bait, but Fuzzy couldn't resist. You'd think an self proclaimed intellectual like Fuzzy would do a little fact checking of his own. It wasn't really an elaborate troll job, I've done better, just ask Koolaid_Man.

[Winehole23]

How close your distant ancestors lived to the equator.how distant in time do you mean?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So buttons posted this:

You come back with this (using now admittedly flawed statistics) as a rebuttal to Bouton's story.

Fuzzy then points out that you don't understand the statistics you posted because you're not considering population size.

Now, you're completely lost and don't even understand the basic math Fuzzy did on the numbers you provided.

Then you post an article claiming that the numbers you originally posted to refute Boutons article were flawed and you were doing this all to Troll Fuzzy? Pretty elaborate troll job there.

You are likely bordering on mental retardation.

He is just one of those douchebags that claims that he was trolling any time he posts stupid shit. Read enough of what he posts and it becomes clear.

The numbers he got actually exist and are found @ http://www.opencarry.org/?cat=47 and its obvious that he just reposted it from fb or whatever medium he uses without really knowing what he is posting. He is as bad as Darrin in doing it.

He is quite obviously a rabid gun lover and posts article and graph galore but this THIS time the particular snippet was really a troll job. It's awfully convenient that he is trolling only when he says stupid shit. Every time he says stupid shit.

Now if it is true that he posts on guns day after day for no other reason than to get a rise out someone a couple of times a week then that is pretty fucking sad. I think it more likely that he really does say stupid shit.

[TSA]

He is just one of those douchebags that claims that he was trolling any time he posts stupid shit. Read enough of what he posts and it becomes clear.

The numbers he got actually exist and are found @ http://www.opencarry.org/?cat=47 and its obvious that he just reposted it from fb or whatever medium he uses without really knowing what he is posting. He is as bad as Darrin in doing it.

He is quite obviously a rabid gun lover and posts article and graph galore but this THIS time the particular snippet was really a troll job. It's awfully convenient that he is trolling only when he says stupid shit. Every time he says stupid shit.

Now if it is true that he posts on guns day after day for no other reason than to get a rise out someone a couple of times a week then that is pretty fucking sad. I think it more likely that he really does say stupid shit.


:cry pls sannyannex no troling :cry

[TSA]

:cry He is just one of those douchebags that claims that he was trolling any time he posts stupid shit. Read enough of what he posts and it becomes clear. :cryI don't claim trolling after I post stupid shit, I have no problem admitting I was wrong. Stop lying.


:cry The numbers he got actually exist and are found @ http://www.opencarry.org/?cat=47 and its obvious that he just reposted it from fb or whatever medium he uses without really knowing what he is posting. He is as bad as Darrin in doing it. :cry I found those numbers while "fact checking" boutons bullshit claim that CCL holders are more dangerous, I'm not on facebook or whatever medium you are talking about and I don't receive pro-gun emails either.


:cry He is quite obviously a rabid gun lover and posts article and graph galore but this THIS time the particular snippet was really a troll job. It's awfully convenient that he is trolling only when he says stupid shit. Every time he says stupid shit. :cry

I had this in my pocket the whole time, and you took the bait.

"The State of North Carolina is home to roughly 9.38 million people as of 2009. Of those residents only 228,072 hold a valid concealed carry permit according to the latest figures released by the North Carolina Department of Justice, figures which reflect the applications since December 1995 when the state began issuing permits. That equates to roughly 2.4% of the population that is legally allowed to carry a concealed firearm. As an interesting side note, those 228,072 permit holders come from an applicant pool of 399,268 which indicates that only about 57% of applications result in a permit.

In the year 2009 the FBI reported that murder and manslaughter (illegal acts where a person died) was committed at a rate of approximately 5.3 deaths for every 100,000 people in the state of North Carolina. This works out to about 497 deaths per year (using the population for 2009). Statistically the population of concealed carry permit holders should fall in line with this criminal death rate, and so we should expect no less than 12 criminal deaths in the year 2009 alone. However, the New York Times was only able to dredge up 10 such deaths (murders and manslaughter combined), and that was only accomplished by combining the last five years together. While we would expect 2% of the population to be responsible for 60 deaths over 5 years, in reality they are only responsible for 10."


:cry Now if it is true that he posts on guns day after day for no other reason than to get a rise out someone a couple of times a week then that is pretty fucking sad. I think it more likely that he really does say stupid shit. :cry

What's more sad, a gun owner trolling the anti-gun crowd for a laugh or you being a condescending prick to everyone 24/7 on a political sub-forum of sports message board? I thoroughly enjoy watching you and Pusher run around refuting everything I post, it is quite entertaining and only takes me a couple of keystrokes and a few mouse clicks. I'm here for laughs and you are just gullible asshole.


Now are you going to back up your claim that CCL holders are responsible for 10% of all murders or are you just going to pretend you never made that claim?

[Koolaid_Man]

I was trying to troll boutons but he's didn't take the bait, but Fuzzy couldn't resist. You'd think an self proclaimed intellectual like Fuzzy would do a little fact checking of his own. It wasn't really an elaborate troll job, I've done better, just ask Koolaid_Man.

^ ask me what big J? :hat

[Th'Pusher]

:cry pls sannyannex no troling :cry

If that was a troll job, it was pretty shitty as you looked like a moron incorrectly using and not understanding the flawed facts you posted. Nice work pistol Pete.

[Th'Pusher]

I don't claim trolling after I post stupid shit, I have no problem admitting I was wrong. Stop lying.

I found those numbers while "fact checking" boutons bullshit claim that CCL holders are more dangerous, I'm not on facebook or whatever medium you are talking about and I don't receive pro-gun emails either.



I had this in my pocket the whole time, and you took the bait.

"The State of North Carolina is home to roughly 9.38 million people as of 2009. Of those residents only 228,072 hold a valid concealed carry permit according to the latest figures released by the North Carolina Department of Justice, figures which reflect the applications since December 1995 when the state began issuing permits. That equates to roughly 2.4% of the population that is legally allowed to carry a concealed firearm. As an interesting side note, those 228,072 permit holders come from an applicant pool of 399,268 which indicates that only about 57% of applications result in a permit.

In the year 2009 the FBI reported that murder and manslaughter (illegal acts where a person died) was committed at a rate of approximately 5.3 deaths for every 100,000 people in the state of North Carolina. This works out to about 497 deaths per year (using the population for 2009). Statistically the population of concealed carry permit holders should fall in line with this criminal death rate, and so we should expect no less than 12 criminal deaths in the year 2009 alone. However, the New York Times was only able to dredge up 10 such deaths (murders and manslaughter combined), and that was only accomplished by combining the last five years together. While we would expect 2% of the population to be responsible for 60 deaths over 5 years, in reality they are only responsible for 10."



What's more sad, a gun owner trolling the anti-gun crowd for a laugh or you being a condescending prick to everyone 24/7 on a political sub-forum of sports message board? I thoroughly enjoy watching you and Pusher run around refuting everything I post, it is quite entertaining and only takes me a couple of keystrokes and a few mouse clicks. I'm here for laughs and you are just gullible asshole.


Now are you going to back up your claim that CCL holders are responsible for 10% of all murders or are you just going to pretend you never made that claim?

Uh oh. Pistol Pete is getting worked up...

[TSA]

^ ask me what big J? :hat

:lol

[TSA]

If that was a troll job, it was pretty shitty as you looked like a moron incorrectly using and not understanding the flawed facts you posted. Nice work pistol Pete.

And Fuzzy looked like an even bigger moron after using those same facts to claim that CCL holders were responsible for 10% of murders. Now why don't you roll out of bed and go make Fuzzy a cup of coffee, I bet he's grumpy in the mornings.

[Th'Pusher]

And Fuzzy looked like an even bigger moron after using those same facts to claim that CCL holders were responsible for 10% of murders. Now why don't you roll out of bed and go make Fuzzy a cup of coffee, I bet he's grumpy in the mornings.

Troll job for the ages tbh...Your half page explanation as to why it was such a great troll job was really smooth. It's like you're a troll savant. :tu

[TSA]

You're an idiot Pusher. My explanation consisted of two sentences.

It is cute watching you semen shield for Fuzzy though.

[Th'Pusher]

You're an idiot Pusher. My explanation consisted of two sentences.

It is cute watching you semen shield for Fuzzy though.

The way you had those facts in your back pocket the whole time. That's some of the nicest work I've seen on the internet tbh. A true Svengali.

[Wild Cobra]

It's murder rate. The ratio of CCL to the total population. 2 out of every 100 people have one. If the national average is x then you should expect .02*x as your outcome if the were at the same rate as the national average. if x is .0428 then the value should be .0009 or 2% of the aggregate.

Instead we see it is in reality .0042 or over 8 times the expected rate of .0009.

It's algebra and critical thinking so I doubt youll get this either.
OMG...

You cannot apply a statistical value across the board.

You rally don't know just how dumb you are...

[Wild Cobra]

Well whatever I framed it as, my point is that they are much more likely to commit murders according to the numbers you gave. I made the denominators the same so you can compare apples to apples. Then you can search for the unknown. It's this crazy thing called math. I explained it above.

Your modelling is as good as climastrologists!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

OMG...

You cannot apply a statistical value across the board.

You rally don't know just how dumb you are...

:lmao solid cobra gold

[boutons_deux]

You can't have American flags on sticks in the Virginia capitol, but you can have a gun (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/24/1272249/-You-can-t-have-American-flags-on-sticks-in-the-Virginia-capitol-but-you-can-have-a-gun)

What is the bigger risk inside a state capitol building: openly carrying an American flag or an assault rifle? In Virginia, visitors to the state legislature cannot bring American flags and signs affixed to sticks, because capitol security considers sticks a public threat. Firearms, however, are allowed.

A group of gun violence prevention activists discovered this when they arrived on Monday to attend a Martin Luther King, Jr. Day event. According to Virginia Capitol Police, the groups were informed beforehand of the restriction barring sticks at permitted rallies, because they can be used as weapons. Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America’s Gena Reeder said they were aware of the rules, but “certainly not in our wildest imagination thought that could apply to the American flag.”

While the moms tore out the dowels of their flags, capitol grounds visitors with firearms were ushered through the entrance. That day, Virginia Citizens Defense League and other gun rights groups organized a “Guns Save Lives” day. The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported that about half of the crowd was armed, packing weapons that ranged from handguns to assault rifles (http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/gun-rights-supporters-anti-violence-advocates-lobby-lawmakers/article_6fdb4684-81ec-11e3-a155-001a4bcf6878.html).

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/01/24/3198821/state-capitols-guns-flags/

the insanity of gun fellators is without bounds! :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't claim trolling after I post stupid shit, I have no problem admitting I was wrong. Stop lying.

I found those numbers while "fact checking" boutons bullshit claim that CCL holders are more dangerous, I'm not on facebook or whatever medium you are talking about and I don't receive pro-gun emails either.



I had this in my pocket the whole time, and you took the bait.

"The State of North Carolina is home to roughly 9.38 million people as of 2009. Of those residents only 228,072 hold a valid concealed carry permit according to the latest figures released by the North Carolina Department of Justice, figures which reflect the applications since December 1995 when the state began issuing permits. That equates to roughly 2.4% of the population that is legally allowed to carry a concealed firearm. As an interesting side note, those 228,072 permit holders come from an applicant pool of 399,268 which indicates that only about 57% of applications result in a permit.

In the year 2009 the FBI reported that murder and manslaughter (illegal acts where a person died) was committed at a rate of approximately 5.3 deaths for every 100,000 people in the state of North Carolina. This works out to about 497 deaths per year (using the population for 2009). Statistically the population of concealed carry permit holders should fall in line with this criminal death rate, and so we should expect no less than 12 criminal deaths in the year 2009 alone. However, the New York Times was only able to dredge up 10 such deaths (murders and manslaughter combined), and that was only accomplished by combining the last five years together. While we would expect 2% of the population to be responsible for 60 deaths over 5 years, in reality they are only responsible for 10."



What's more sad, a gun owner trolling the anti-gun crowd for a laugh or you being a condescending prick to everyone 24/7 on a political sub-forum of sports message board? I thoroughly enjoy watching you and Pusher run around refuting everything I post, it is quite entertaining and only takes me a couple of keystrokes and a few mouse clicks. I'm here for laughs and you are just gullible asshole.


Now are you going to back up your claim that CCL holders are responsible for 10% of all murders or are you just going to pretend you never made that claim?

You troll by typing walls of text that amount to emotional vomit? You may think of it as trolling but I dunno.

[BradLohaus]

how distant in time do you mean?

Longer than people have been writing. The end of the Ice Age is probably good enough.

[TSA]

You troll by typing walls of text that amount to emotional vomit? You may think of it as trolling but I dunno.

Are you going to prove CCL holders are more dangerous than the average citizen or what?

[boutons_deux]

gun fellators, here's kids' blood on your 2nd Amendment/NRA hands

Guns sent 20 children to U.S. hospitals every single day

Twenty children or adolescents were hospitalized for firearm-related injuries every day in 2009, and 453 died of their wounds, a new report says.

The study (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/01/22/peds.2013-1809.abstract) provides one of the most comprehensive recent efforts to tally the number of children hurt nationally in gun-related incidents. It was published Monday in the journal Pediatrics.

A national database of patients younger than 20 who were admitted to hospitals in 2009 shows that boys represented nearly 90% of the total, and that the rate of gunshot-related hospitalizations for African American males was 10 times that of white males.

Blacks ages 15 to 19 were 13 times more likely than their white peers to be injured by gunfire. And 70% of all black children hospitalized for gun injury (compared with 32% of all white children injured by firearms) were classified as victims of assault. Latino children and adolescents were three times likelier than white children to be hospitalized with a firearm-related injury.

Hospital care for youths injured by gunfire cost $147 million in 2009, according to the report, but that is a fraction of the overall cost of the injuries. It doesn't include physician-related services, rehabilitation and ongoing care and rehospitalization, and does not take into account many victims' loss of future productivity. (Past research has found that almost half of children hospitalized for gun-related injury are discharged with a disability.)

The latest estimate boosts the number of those younger than 20 hurt by firearms in 2009 to 7,391, from 6,496.

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-guns-toll-children-20140127,0,2247874.story#ixzz2riBeDgQv

[TSA]

gun fellators, here's kids' blood on your 2nd Amendment/NRA hands

Guns sent 20 children to U.S. hospitals every single day

Twenty children or adolescents were hospitalized for firearm-related injuries every day in 2009, and 453 died of their wounds, a new report says.

The study (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/01/22/peds.2013-1809.abstract) provides one of the most comprehensive recent efforts to tally the number of children hurt nationally in gun-related incidents. It was published Monday in the journal Pediatrics.

A national database of patients younger than 20 who were admitted to hospitals in 2009 shows that boys represented nearly 90% of the total, and that the rate of gunshot-related hospitalizations for African American males was 10 times that of white males.

Blacks ages 15 to 19 were 13 times more likely than their white peers to be injured by gunfire. And 70% of all black children hospitalized for gun injury (compared with 32% of all white children injured by firearms) were classified as victims of assault. Latino children and adolescents were three times likelier than white children to be hospitalized with a firearm-related injury.

Hospital care for youths injured by gunfire cost $147 million in 2009, according to the report, but that is a fraction of the overall cost of the injuries. It doesn't include physician-related services, rehabilitation and ongoing care and rehospitalization, and does not take into account many victims' loss of future productivity. (Past research has found that almost half of children hospitalized for gun-related injury are discharged with a disability.)

The latest estimate boosts the number of those younger than 20 hurt by firearms in 2009 to 7,391, from 6,496.

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-guns-toll-children-20140127,0,2247874.story#ixzz2riBeDgQv



Shocking, black youth kill each other a lot.

[boutons_deux]

Shocking, black youth kill each other a lot.

and the killing is wonderfully facilitated by you bloody-handed gun fellators, NRA, gun industry FLOODING the USA with 300M, easy-to-get guns, corrupt dealers, etc, etc. Killing with a gun is so much easier than killing by other means.

[TSA]

Why are black youth so much more violent?

[boutons_deux]

Why are black youth so much more violent?

racism? poverty? no future? shitty urban culture, examples?

that's not the problem we're discussing. It's the maiming and killing of 1000s of kids, and others, for gun industry profits.

[TSA]

racism? poverty? no future? shitty urban culture, examples?

that's not the problem we're discussing. It's the maiming and killing of 1000s of kids, and others, for gun industry profits.

That is the problem though.

[boutons_deux]

That is the problem though.

bullshit, the PROBLEM is how so many blacks (and anybody else) get EASY ACCESS to so many guns, of all types.

[TSA]

bullshit, the PROBLEM is how so many blacks (and anybody else) get EASY ACCESS to so many guns, of all types.

Everyone else doesn't seem to have the same problem as the black youth.

[TSA]

boutons when will you stop blaming the tool and look to what is causing the violence?

[boutons_deux]

dude, stop evading the core problem of too easy access, no effective regulation of guns

[TSA]

dude, murders are the lowest they've been in decades. Access to guns is not the problem.

[BradLohaus]

In my business I ride around with guys that carry ARs in their backseats. I'm surrounded by guns most days. We have no worries about getting shot. If gun proliferation was the problem I'd have been killed a hundred times over by now. Guns aren't dangerous at all if you 1.) have very basic safety knowledge and 2.) don't want to shoot a person.

[boutons_deux]

dude, murders are the lowest they've been in decades. Access to guns is not the problem.

bullshit, but that's how you roll

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In my business I ride around with guys that carry ARs in their backseats. I'm surrounded by guns most days. We have no worries about getting shot. If gun proliferation was the problem I'd have been killed a hundred times over by now. Guns aren't dangerous at all if you 1.) have very basic safety knowledge and 2.) don't want to shoot a person.

:lol American Heritage

Oh we have known your a militia nut for quite some time.

[boutons_deux]

...

[TSA]

bullshit, but that's how you roll

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Lowest it's been since 1969 with the addition of 100,000,000 people. Fuck off.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Lowest it's been since 1969 with the addition of 100,000,000 people. Fuck off.

still way too high, all due to 300m+ guns, with Ms floating around unsecured, picked up by kids, criminals, used in very successful suicides, etc, etc.

People kill with guns because guns are easy to get and very effective.

[TSA]

still way too high, all due to 300m+ guns, with Ms floating around unsecured, picked up by kids, criminals, used in very successful suicides, etc, etc.

People kill with guns because guns are easy to get and very effective.

With all of the 300m+ guns in circulation please explain the declining murder rate.

[BradLohaus]

:lol American Heritage

Oh we have known your a militia nut for quite some time.

LOL man you really didn't like that one link. It's hard to find a mainstream link that breaks down Hispanic vs non Hispanic white crime rates. Let me know if anyone does. The local law enforcement doesn't like us knowing that because it keeps them from spinning the rates to keep them from looking discriminatory. I could mention how I know that but my local militia general wouldn't like it.

The guns are mainly for wild boars, which can get to beast size, as everybody from the TX country knows. You'd have to be crazy to go walking a huge pasture without a gun. LOL militia nut. The scary part is that the typical Leftist believes this.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL man you really didn't like that one link. It's hard to find a mainstream link that breaks down Hispanic vs non Hispanic white crime rates. Let me know if anyone does. The local law enforcement doesn't like us knowing that because it keeps them from spinning the rates to keep them from looking discriminatory. I could mention how I know that but my local militia general wouldn't like it.

The guns are mainly for wild boars, which can get to beast size, as everybody from the TX country knows. You'd have to be crazy to go walking a huge pasture without a gun. LOL militia nut. The scary part is that the typical Leftist believes this.

And you finished with the real scotsman argument! bravo!! I also like how you define all local police forces into one lump and then attribute behavior for the whole. you are just full of fallacy(re:fail).

I am going to continue to mock you for using a militia site as a source. It's not that I didn't like it. OTOH, it certainly defines you.

[BradLohaus]

I wondered how you had heard of that site to get so mad. You knew immediately. IIRC I just looked it up looking for another and said "here's this".

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I wondered how you had heard of that site to get so mad. You knew immediately. IIRC I just looked it up looking for another and said "here's this".

At first I thought it was a KKK site. They use the heritage byline quite a bit. The two groups are akin to one another. I just read the 'about us' portion though. It's the first thing I do everytime I find a source linked I know nothing about. You too can figure things out 'immediately.'

[BradLohaus]

I remember that I did look up what I thought was a good study months before the thread. Then I could couldn't find it and posted the best I could find. It really is a hard thing to break down.

[boutons_deux]

In 2013, the US lost 30 people a day to gun violence.

215 children died (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_new town_sandy_hook_shooting.html) in the 99 days (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/16/us/politics/congress-prepares-to-leave-behind-a-sluggish-2013.html?ref=politics&_r=2&) the Senate was in session last year.

. Over 12,000 (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_new town_sandy_hook_shooting.html) people, adults and children, died from gun violence in 2013 – about 30 a day.

Many assume that focusing on preventing gun suicides falls under laws keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, but most people who commit suicide do not meet even the lowest bar for gun ownership prohibition set by federal or state laws: previous documentation of violence to self or others.

Two-thirds of suicides (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12042175) do not have a contact with a mental health profession in the year leading up to the attempt. Another set of studies found that only 24% (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11075627) of those that attempt suicide go on to another attempt. Suicide ideations are also fleeting; 25% of suicide attempts are based on less than five minutes consideration (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11924695). What's more, those who commit suicide by firearm are the least likely of all (http://pllqt.it/N7ggaA) attempts to have a record of mental illness – the most likely, it follows, to attempt suicide because of temporary crisis and moment of desperation. But 85% of those who attempt suicide by firearm will never see the other side of that crisis. (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/). Firearm suicide beats the next most effective means (hanging) by a margin of 16%.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/31/president-obama-gun-control-push

so you gun fellators, gun industry, and NRA/GOA have created a horrible PUBLIC HEALTH DISASTER with your (profits, and bogus, paranoid, ignorant interpretation of the 2nd Amendment) obsession with guns.

[BradLohaus]

IIRC there are around 15,000 murders in Sao Paulo alone every year.

Just out of curiosity, what is the boutons 2.0 personal gun ownership policy for society? Hunting rifles/shotguns, simple handguns, none?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[boutons_deux]

Just out of curiosity, what is the boutons 2.0 personal gun ownership policy for society?

I'm against the effectively deregulated gun sales and ownership and the lackadaisical, "guns are fun, everybody should own one" culture.

guns should be heavily regulated, taxed, serial-numbered, nationally database, one-month waiting period for b/g check, with title registration fees, annual title renewal registration fee, the mandatory insurance per gun per owner, heavy fines for losing your gun, jail for losing your gun with which a gun crime was committed, fines and jail for allowing access to your gun eg by kids who shoot themselves and/or others, etc, etc, etc. guns are serious public health hazard.

[TSA]

In 2013, the US lost 30 people a day to gun violence.

215 children died (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_new town_sandy_hook_shooting.html) in the 99 days (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/16/us/politics/congress-prepares-to-leave-behind-a-sluggish-2013.html?ref=politics&_r=2&) the Senate was in session last year.

. Over 12,000 (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_new town_sandy_hook_shooting.html) people, adults and children, died from gun violence in 2013 – about 30 a day.

Many assume that focusing on preventing gun suicides falls under laws keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, but most people who commit suicide do not meet even the lowest bar for gun ownership prohibition set by federal or state laws: previous documentation of violence to self or others.

Two-thirds of suicides (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12042175) do not have a contact with a mental health profession in the year leading up to the attempt. Another set of studies found that only 24% (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11075627) of those that attempt suicide go on to another attempt. Suicide ideations are also fleeting; 25% of suicide attempts are based on less than five minutes consideration (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11924695). What's more, those who commit suicide by firearm are the least likely of all (http://pllqt.it/N7ggaA) attempts to have a record of mental illness – the most likely, it follows, to attempt suicide because of temporary crisis and moment of desperation. But 85% of those who attempt suicide by firearm will never see the other side of that crisis. (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/). Firearm suicide beats the next most effective means (hanging) by a margin of 16%.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/31/president-obama-gun-control-push

so you gun fellators, gun industry, and NRA/GOA have created a horrible PUBLIC HEALTH DISASTER with your (profits, and bogus, paranoid, ignorant interpretation of the 2nd Amendment) obsession with guns.




The gun industry did not create depression and mental illness, GFY.

Not that I really care about those who take the pussy way out and kill themselves, but if you want to discuss it let's at least get the facts straight.

http://www.suicide.org/suicide-causes.html

Suicide Causes

by Kevin Caruso

Over 90 percent of people who die by suicide have a mental illness at the time of their death.

And the most common mental illness is depression.

Untreated depression is the number one cause for suicide.

Untreated mental illness (including depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and others) is the cause for the vast majority of suicides.

Also, some people are genetically predisposed to depression, and thus they may not appear to be undergoing any negative life experiences, yet still become depressed, and may die by suicide.

So, some people die by suicide because of a depression that was caused by genetics. You probably have heard about some indivuduals who died by suicide and did not exhibit any symptoms or appear to have any serious problems. In these cases, it is possible that the person had depression that occured because of this genetic factor.

It is very rare that someone dies by suicide because of one cause. Thus, there are usually several causes, and not just one, for suicide.

Many people die by suicide because depression is triggered by several negative life experiences, and the person does not receive treatment – or does not receive effective treatment – for the depression. (Some people need to go through several treatments until they find one that works for them.)

[boutons_deux]

gun fellators solve cookie problem with AK47

Lunch lady threatens to ‘shoot up’ Mass. school with AK-47 in cookie quarrel

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/05/lunch-lady-threatens-to-shoot-up-mass-school-with-ak-47-in-cookie-quarrel/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

typical "shoot first" culture. gun violence is the ONLY solution :lol

[BradLohaus]

I'm against the effectively deregulated gun sales and ownership and the lackadaisical, "guns are fun, everybody should own one" culture.

guns should be heavily regulated, taxed, serial-numbered, nationally database, one-month waiting period for b/g check, with title registration fees, annual title renewal registration fee, the mandatory insurance per gun per owner, heavy fines for losing your gun, jail for losing your gun with which a gun crime was committed, fines and jail for allowing access to your gun eg by kids who shoot themselves and/or others, etc, etc, etc. guns are serious public health hazard.

Rest easy, as boutons will be happy to tell you what your rights are. He's got a regulation for every comma. Never committed a serious crime? That matters not. Register yourself at the local DMV. The Left loves freedom, until they're running things. Fallator.

[boutons_deux]

Rest easy, as boutons will be happy to tell you what your rights are. He's got a regulation for every comma. Never committed a serious crime? That matters not. Register yourself at the local DMV. The Left loves freedom, until they're running things. Fallator.

The govt has the RIGHT to protect public health from 300M+ guns, so fuck your perversion and fuck your misinterpreted, perverted 2nd Amendment

[TSA]

The govt has the RIGHT to protect public health from 300M+ guns, so fuck your perversion and fuck your misinterpreted, perverted 2nd Amendment

I'd say the government is doing a fine job considering gun violence/murders are the lowest seen in decades. I'm more concerned about the prescription drug abuse stats then how many guns are in circulation sitting idly in a gun safe.

[Winehole23]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/06/wendy-davis-open-carry_n_4736829.html

[Winehole23]

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/01/21/reeling-wendy-davis-grasps-for-guns-tells-ap-that-her-origins-story-is-now-off-limits/

[boutons_deux]

Perverts:

Border Patrol Accused Of Teaching Children To Shoot At Human-Shaped Targets Made To Look Like Immigrants (http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2014/02/05/3240431/border-patrol-children-targets/)
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/borderpatroltargetpractice-638x356.jpg

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2014/02/05/3240431/border-patrol-children-targets/

[boutons_deux]

Conservative Media Attacks ABC News For Telling The Truth About Kids And Gun Accidents

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2014/02/05/youngguns2020.jpg

The National Rifle Association's radio show and other conservative media are baselessly attacking an ABC News special that highlighted how gun accidents can occur when children access unsecured firearms.

The ABC News 20/20 special, hosted by Diane Sawyer and titled Young Guns, reported (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/01/kids-and-guns-by-the-numbers/) that 1.7 million children live in a home with an unsecured and loaded firearm, 98 children under the age of 18 died in accidental shootings in 2010, and 80 percent of accidental shooting victims are boys.

The January 31 Young Guns special centered on a psychologist-designed experiment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jmAnRIIpv8&feature=youtu.be) that placed children in an empty classroom that contained an unsecured firearm. According to 20/20 "nearly all" of the 44 children in the experiment had been taught not to touch a gun and half of those children were shown the NRA's "Eddie Eagle" gun safety program (http://eddieeagle.nra.org/) to reinforce the lesson. But when an unloaded firearm was left in the classroom, many of the children still touched and played with it. Some even pointed the weapons at themselves or other children and pulled the trigger. The NRA declined repeated requests by ABC to participate in an interview for the special.

As pediatric psychologist (http://www.eckerd.edu/academics/psychology/faculty/sanfilippo.php) Marjorie Sanfilippo noted in the special (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jmAnRIIpv8&feature=youtu.be), "These three-year-olds who shoot themselves in the head, for whatever reason it's the natural thing to look down the barrel," and added, "You can't educate curiosity out of a child." Indeed, 20/20's experiment reached similar conclusions to a 2001 experiment (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/children-protection-gun-violence/2079177/) published in the medical journal Pediatrics that found 63 percent of 8- to 12-year old boys who found a gun touched it and 33 percent pulled the trigger, even though 90 percent had received gun safety training.

Conservative media offered a nonsensical criticism of the special, which they termed "anti-gun (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2014/02/01/abc-uses-children-in-young-guns-experiment-to-demonize-firearms-n1787902)," "a classic case of a news outlet making the news instead of reporting it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSk1UkqBx58)," "ridiculous propaganda piece about kids with guns (http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2014/02/05/33926/nranews-camandcompany-20140103-2020)," and "the sort of sensational journalism that is not really journalism (http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2014/02/05/33926/nranews-camandcompany-20140103-2020)."

On the January 3 edition of NRA News show Cam & Company, host Cam Edwards sarcastically asked (http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2014/02/05/33926/nranews-camandcompany-20140103-2020) guest and Fox News contributor Katie Pavlich, "Do you know any parents who are gun owners who store their firearms in their kid's toy box?" Pavlich, who called the Young Guns experiment "totally asinine and ridiculous," asked, "So are we going to start putting our rat poison next to our kid's candy boxes?" In a rebuttal to the special, The Blaze host Dana Loesch argued (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSk1UkqBx58), "ABC producers irresponsibly conclude that we have an epidemic of accidental shootings involving children because these producers placed guns around play areas and children looked at them."

This argument only makes sense under the mistaken assumption that all guns are always stored where children cannot access them. (The admission by conservative media that kids will play with guns if they find them also undermines the NRA's claim that its "Eddie Eagle" gun education program is a deterrent to accidental shootings.)

As Young Guns demonstrated in a segment following the experiment (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/young-guns-hide-guns-children-22306882), young children often know where firearms are stored in the home and can gain access to them, often to the surprise of the children's parents. The special also featured a woman who openly stored her loaded firearm on the kitchen table (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m97phtipF40&feature=youtu.be) in reach of her young daughter and the tragic story of a toddler who fatally shot himself with a firearm stored on top of a five foot dresser in his parent's bedroom. The child's parents still do not know (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ0_dhkhYbM&feature=youtu.be) how he managed to access the gun.

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2014/02/05/3240431/border-patrol-children-targets/

[Winehole23]

teaching kids to shoot at other kids and inviting the local TV affiliate to film it. who was the genius behind that?

[boutons_deux]

teaching kids to shoot at other kids and inviting the local TV affiliate to film it. who was the genius behind that?

the BP is teaching kids to shoot at undoc immigrants, not at other kids. Kids learn on their own how to kill themselves and bystanders.

[TSA]

Perverts:

Border Patrol Accused Of Teaching Children To Shoot At Human-Shaped Targets Made To Look Like Immigrants (http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2014/02/05/3240431/border-patrol-children-targets/)
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/borderpatroltargetpractice-638x356.jpg

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2014/02/05/3240431/border-patrol-children-targets/


:lmao So only immigrants wear t-shirts and jeans?

[Winehole23]

kids learn on their own

[Winehole23]

Wendy Davis open carry? anyone?

[boutons_deux]

:lmao So only immigrants wear t-shirts and jeans?

why is BP teaching kids to shoot humans, no matter the wardrobe?

[TSA]

Conservative Media Attacks ABC News For Telling The Truth About Kids And Gun Accidents

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2014/02/05/youngguns2020.jpg

The National Rifle Association's radio show and other conservative media are baselessly attacking an ABC News special that highlighted how gun accidents can occur when children access unsecured firearms.

The ABC News 20/20 special, hosted by Diane Sawyer and titled Young Guns, reported (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/01/kids-and-guns-by-the-numbers/) that 1.7 million children live in a home with an unsecured and loaded firearm, 98 children under the age of 18 died in accidental shootings in 2010, and 80 percent of accidental shooting victims are boys.

The January 31 Young Guns special centered on a psychologist-designed experiment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jmAnRIIpv8&feature=youtu.be) that placed children in an empty classroom that contained an unsecured firearm. According to 20/20 "nearly all" of the 44 children in the experiment had been taught not to touch a gun and half of those children were shown the NRA's "Eddie Eagle" gun safety program (http://eddieeagle.nra.org/) to reinforce the lesson. But when an unloaded firearm was left in the classroom, many of the children still touched and played with it. Some even pointed the weapons at themselves or other children and pulled the trigger. The NRA declined repeated requests by ABC to participate in an interview for the special.

As pediatric psychologist (http://www.eckerd.edu/academics/psychology/faculty/sanfilippo.php) Marjorie Sanfilippo noted in the special (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jmAnRIIpv8&feature=youtu.be), "These three-year-olds who shoot themselves in the head, for whatever reason it's the natural thing to look down the barrel," and added, "You can't educate curiosity out of a child." Indeed, 20/20's experiment reached similar conclusions to a 2001 experiment (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/children-protection-gun-violence/2079177/) published in the medical journal Pediatrics that found 63 percent of 8- to 12-year old boys who found a gun touched it and 33 percent pulled the trigger, even though 90 percent had received gun safety training.

Conservative media offered a nonsensical criticism of the special, which they termed "anti-gun (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2014/02/01/abc-uses-children-in-young-guns-experiment-to-demonize-firearms-n1787902)," "a classic case of a news outlet making the news instead of reporting it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSk1UkqBx58)," "ridiculous propaganda piece about kids with guns (http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2014/02/05/33926/nranews-camandcompany-20140103-2020)," and "the sort of sensational journalism that is not really journalism (http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2014/02/05/33926/nranews-camandcompany-20140103-2020)."

On the January 3 edition of NRA News show Cam & Company, host Cam Edwards sarcastically asked (http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2014/02/05/33926/nranews-camandcompany-20140103-2020) guest and Fox News contributor Katie Pavlich, "Do you know any parents who are gun owners who store their firearms in their kid's toy box?" Pavlich, who called the Young Guns experiment "totally asinine and ridiculous," asked, "So are we going to start putting our rat poison next to our kid's candy boxes?" In a rebuttal to the special, The Blaze host Dana Loesch argued (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSk1UkqBx58), "ABC producers irresponsibly conclude that we have an epidemic of accidental shootings involving children because these producers placed guns around play areas and children looked at them."

This argument only makes sense under the mistaken assumption that all guns are always stored where children cannot access them. (The admission by conservative media that kids will play with guns if they find them also undermines the NRA's claim that its "Eddie Eagle" gun education program is a deterrent to accidental shootings.)

As Young Guns demonstrated in a segment following the experiment (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/young-guns-hide-guns-children-22306882), young children often know where firearms are stored in the home and can gain access to them, often to the surprise of the children's parents. The special also featured a woman who openly stored her loaded firearm on the kitchen table (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m97phtipF40&feature=youtu.be) in reach of her young daughter and the tragic story of a toddler who fatally shot himself with a firearm stored on top of a five foot dresser in his parent's bedroom. The child's parents still do not know (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ0_dhkhYbM&feature=youtu.be) how he managed to access the gun.

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2014/02/05/3240431/border-patrol-children-targets/




Although sad and preventable, 98 deceased children out of 1.7 million households with unsecured firearms is a very small amount. I don't even have kids and I keep my firearms secured.

[TSA]

why is BP teaching kids to shoot humans, no matter the wardrobe?

It appears they were showing them their non-lethal tactics, although strange I don't see a problem with it.

[TSA]

Wendy Davis open carry? anyone?

Not a fan of open carry.

[Winehole23]

why not?

[TSA]

Personal preference. I don't see the need to let everyone know you're armed.

[Winehole23]

what if others do see the need? why shouldn't they have their way if it's a superfluity to you?

[boutons_deux]

:lol you're expert at deluding yourself.

[TSA]

what if others do see the need? why shouldn't they have their way if it's a superfluity to you?

I don't care what others do. If they want to open carry fine by me, like I said, personal preference. I also don't think open carry gets the general public more acclimated and comfortable with guns and believe it has the reverse effect. As much as I believe in gun ownership I still never got used to seeing people open carry while I lived in Arizona.

[Winehole23]

appreciate the candor

[TSA]

appreciate the candor

No prob. Your thoughts on open carry?

[Winehole23]

not necessary. doubt it makes anyone safer.

[boutons_deux]

NC parenting columnist’s 3-year-old son shoots 17-month-old sister with dad’s gun
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/07/nc-parenting-columnists-3-year-old-son-shoots-17-month-old-sister-with-dads-gun/

[BradLohaus]

Somebody did something somewhere.

You can't have a gun.

[boutons_deux]

You can't have a gun.

You Lie

[boutons_deux]

Gun fellators instinct is to shoot first when they are threatened by eggs.

Arkansas man guns down 15-year-old girl for egging son’s car as a prank

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/kark_broadway_140217b-615x345.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/17/arkansas-man-guns-down-15-year-old-girl-for-egging-sons-car-as-a-prank/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[FuzzyLumpkins]

boutons is like the guys who post about a cold day in regards to global warming. It's a macro issue.

[boutons_deux]

boutons is like the guys who post about a cold day in regards to global warming. It's a macro issue.

sure it its. The macro issue is the gun industry bullshit to promote they profits duping ignorant people that the 2nd prohibits ALL gun regulations.

Another macro is is that Puritanical America criminalizes showing of a woman's nipple but makes $100Ms/year with pornography of gun and military violence.

[boutons_deux]

dickless gun fellators somehow manage a circle jerk

Open Carry Advocate Arrested On Suspicion Of Gun Threat

A Wisconsin man who recently wrote a column in defense of his right to carry a pistol on his hip has been arrested on gun-related charges, according to The Wausau Daily Herald. (http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20140213/WDH01/302130264/Updated-Schofield-man-who-advocated-open-carry-jailed-accused-making-gun-threats)

Dereck Simonsmeier, of Schofield, Wis., was in jail Thursday, after being arrested along with three other people following an incident the day before in which a man was allegedly threatened at gunpoint. The group got involved in a dispute between roommates in a private home. Simonsmeier and the other two men arrested were all allegedly armed, and charged with endangering safety.

Police recovered a .40-caliber Glock handgun, a 1300 Winchester 12-gauge shotgun, and a Remington 1911 handgun.

In a Feb. 10 column, Simonsmeier wrote about (http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/article/20140210/WRT06/302100194/I-kicked-out-Pick-N-Save-legally-carrying-firearm-column) being asked to leave a Pick 'N Save grocery store while carrying a Remington 1911 "in plain view on my belt."

"I do not carry it to be tough or to start a fight," he wrote in the column. "I carry it because it is my right and to protect the ones I love. Yet even with the welfare of others in mind, I am scrutinized and mocked for exercising my Second Amendment right."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/simonsmeier-gun-arrest?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

SYG, aka, Kill-N!GG@S law

A 2012 study (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/criminal-justice/is-there-racial-bias-in-stand-your-ground-laws/) by researchers at Texas A&M University found that whites killing blacks were 354 times more likely to get off on “justifiable” homicide in Stand Your Ground states, compared to whites who were 250 percent more likely to get off in non-Stand Your Ground states.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/17/gop-rep-jury-wrong-on-loud-music-killer-but-stand-your-ground-still-benefits-blacks/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

but a FL black woman firing a warning shot and not at her violent husband gets 20 years

[boutons_deux]

Study: Missouri murders spike after state repeals gun background check law

A new study has found that around 60 more people have been murdered each year since the state of Missouri made it easier to buy a handguns without going through a background check.

In the study which will be published in an issue of the Journal of Urban Health, a team of researchers led by Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research Director Daniel Webster found that between 55 to 63 more people were murdered each year after Missouri repealed its permit-to-purchase (PTP) handgun law in 2007.

“This study provides compelling confirmation that weaknesses in firearm laws lead to deaths from gun violence,” Webster said in a press release (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-02/jhub-rom021414.php). “There is strong evidence to support the idea that the repeal of Missouri’s handgun purchaser licensing law contributed to dozens of additional murders in Missouri each year since the law was changed.”
After the law was repealed, unlicensed sellers were no longer required to perform background checks before selling their guns.

While murders in Missouri spiked between 2007 and 2012, bordering states experienced no significant increases. And the overall murder rate in the U.S. declined by 5 percent during that same period.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/17/study-missouri-murders-spike-after-state-repeals-gun-background-check-law/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[TSA]

SYG, aka, Kill-N!GG@S law

A 2012 study (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/criminal-justice/is-there-racial-bias-in-stand-your-ground-laws/) by researchers at Texas A&M University found that whites killing blacks were 354 times more likely to get off on “justifiable” homicide in Stand Your Ground states, compared to whites who were 250 percent more likely to get off in non-Stand Your Ground states.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/17/gop-rep-jury-wrong-on-loud-music-killer-but-stand-your-ground-still-benefits-blacks/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

but a FL black woman firing a warning shot and not at her violent husband gets 20 years




From the Texas A&M study....

"So the disparity is clear. But the figures don’t yet prove bias. As Roman points out, the data doesn’t show the circumstances behind the killings, for example whether the people who were shot were involved in home invasions or in a confrontation on the street.

Additionally, there are far fewer white-on-black shootings in the FBI data — only 25 total in both the Stand Your Ground and non-Stand Your Ground states. In fact, the small sample size is one of the reasons Roman conducted a regression analysis, which determines the statistical likelihood of whether the killings will be found justifiable."

[TSA]

SYG, aka, Kill-N!GG@S law

A 2012 study (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/criminal-justice/is-there-racial-bias-in-stand-your-ground-laws/) by researchers at Texas A&M University found that whites killing blacks were 354 times more likely to get off on “justifiable” homicide in Stand Your Ground states, compared to whites who were 250 percent more likely to get off in non-Stand Your Ground states.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/17/gop-rep-jury-wrong-on-loud-music-killer-but-stand-your-ground-still-benefits-blacks/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

but a FL black woman firing a warning shot and not at her violent husband gets 20 years




Also from your article...

"Gaetz added that African-Americans were benefiting from the law because they “have asserted the Stand Your Ground defense more than any other racial or ethnic group. And, by volume, African-Americans have been more successful at asserting the Stand Your Ground defense than any other group. I’m of the belief that if someone’s attacked, they shouldn’t have the duty to retreat.”

[TSA]

Gun fellators instinct is to shoot first when they are threatened by eggs.

Arkansas man guns down 15-year-old girl for egging son’s car as a prank

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/kark_broadway_140217b-615x345.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/17/arkansas-man-guns-down-15-year-old-girl-for-egging-sons-car-as-a-prank/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29




You are so fucking predictable. I knew the shooter was black the moment you decided to leave out the race.

http://gawker.com/man-pursues-shoots-teenage-girl-dead-over-a-silly-teen-1524463367

[boutons_deux]

You are so fucking predictable. I knew the shooter was black the moment you decided to leave out the race.

http://gawker.com/man-pursues-shoots-teenage-girl-dead-over-a-silly-teen-1524463367

race isn't the issue, perverted, dickless gun fellators is

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are so fucking predictable. I knew the shooter was black the moment you decided to leave out the race.

http://gawker.com/man-pursues-shoots-teenage-girl-dead-over-a-silly-teen-1524463367

Are you trolling like the Nazi brigade or are you really this stupid?

[TSA]

Are you trolling like the Nazi brigade or are you really this stupid?

Why so salty?

[TSA]

http://www.wxyz.com/news/mom-opens-fire-on-home-invaders-in-detroit-to-defend-children

[boutons_deux]

Guns To Surpass Car Accidents As Leading Cause Of Deaths Among Young People (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/22/3320751/gun-deaths-surpass-car-accidents-leading-cause-young-people/)

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Gun-deaths--638x409.jpg

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/22/3320751/gun-deaths-surpass-car-accidents-leading-cause-young-people/#

NRA salaries and gun industry profits TRUMP everything else

2nd Amendment? :lol

self defense? :lol

[boutons_deux]

Indiana man accidentally shoots himself dead during gun sale

A Fort Wayne, Indiana man is dead after the gun he was selling to a relative accidentally discharged into his chest.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/23/indiana-man-accidentally-shoots-himself-dead-during-gun-sale/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

so, did the relative buy the gun? thanks for the memories! :lol

[boutons_deux]

Rand Paul Blocks Surgeon General Nominee For Saying Gun Violence Is A Public Health Threat (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/26/3332741/rand-paul-hold-murthy-guns/)

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/26/3332741/rand-paul-hold-murthy-guns/

should also be posted in the "GOP madness" thread.

PBS commentator Mark Shields says more killed by guns since '68 than in all U.S. wars

Our ruling
Since Shields’ comparison was otherwise accurate, with about 1.4 million firearm deaths to 1.2 million in war, we rated his claim True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/18/mark-shields/pbs-commentator-mark-shields-says-more-killed-guns/

Same is true of BigPharma as a public health threat and Ms of Human-Americans killed or maimed by BigPharmas shit.

[boutons_deux]

Professor Asks Idaho Lawmakers For The Green Light To Shoot A Student


I assume that if a student shoots first, I am allowed to empty my clip; but given the velocity of firearms, and my aging reflexes, I’d like to be proactive. For example, if I am working out a long equation on the board and several students try to correct me using their laser sights, am I allowed to fire a warning shot?


If two armed students are arguing over who should be served next at the coffee bar and I sense escalating hostility, should I aim for the legs and remind them of the campus Shared-Values Statement (which reads, in part, “Boise State strives to provide a culture of civility and success where all feel safe and free from discrimination, harassment, threats or intimidation”)?

Hampikian later pointed out that the campus murder rate is "zero at present" before invoking a central tenet of the defense of gun rights: "I think that we can all agree that guns don’t kill people, people with guns do. Which is why encouraging guns on campus makes so much sense."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/idaho_professor_asks_lawmakers_permission_when_app ropriate_to_shoot_students?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

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Man Accidentally Shoots At Floor, Injures 2 Women Praying In Unit Below

Two Columbus, Ohio women suffered non-life threatening injuries on Thursday after a man accidentally discharged a shotgun at his apartment floor above them, WBNS-10TV (http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2014/02/27/Marion_Accidental_Shooting.html) reported.

The buck shot from the firearm penetrated the ceiling, striking the two women while they were attending a prayer service. One woman suffered injuries to her left check, right arm and right leg. The second woman was wounded in her right leg.

Police charged Terry Thacker, 59, with negligent assault.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/man-accidentally-shoots-at-floor-injures-2-women-praying-in-unit-below?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

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Boy Accidentally Shoots Mom In The Leg While Showing Off New Gun

A Nevada woman was critically injured Thursday after her son accidentally shot her in the leg while showing off his new gun, Reno TV station KOLO reported (http://www.kolotv.com/news/headlines/Accidental-Shooting-Injures-Woman-in-Leg-247671271.html).

The young man was pulling his gun out of its holster to show his father when it discharged, according to a sergeant with the Lyon County Sheriff's Office.

The woman was transported by Careflight to a regional medical center in Reno. No one was taken in to custody.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nevada_boy_accidentally_shoots_mom_in_leg?utm_sour ce=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

Hi Mom!

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Man Accidentally Kills Self With Gun During Demonstration On Gun Safety


A man from Independence Township, Michigan, accidentally shot himself to death on Monday while teaching his girlfriend about gun safety, the Oakland Press reports (http://www.theoaklandpress.com/general-news/20140224/independence-township-man-shoots-kills-himself-while-demonstrating-gun-safety-deputies-say).

The 36-year-old man, whose name has not been released, was showing his girlfriend how his three handguns are safe when they aren’t loaded, according to the Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/article/20140224/NEWS03/302240114/independence-township-man-shoots-self-in-head). He was attempting to demonstrate the safety of the handguns by holding them to his head and pulling the trigger.

The third gun fired, and the man was struck in the head. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

Three children ages 7, 10, and 12 were in the home, but did not witness the shooting, according to reports. The man's girlfriend told authorities (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/02/24/man-shoots-himself-in-the-head-while-demonstrating-gun-safety/) he had been drinking most of the day before the incident took place.

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Police Say Pa. State Trooper Accidentally Shot, Killed Pregnant WifePolice said a Pennsylvania state trooper accidentally shot and killed his pregnant wife Friday while cleaning his gun, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported (http://articles.philly.com/2014-03-09/news/48055030_1_state-trooper-montgomery-county-pregnant-woman).


JoAnne Miller, who was 22 weeks pregnant, died soon after being admitted to a Montgomery County, Pa. hospital, according to the Inquirer. Doctors performed an emergency cesarean surgery but the baby never had its own heartbeat,


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/police-say-state-trooper-accidentally-shot-pregnant-wife?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

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The week also took a heavy toll on the kids, with 13 accidentally shot or otherwise injured, ages 2, two 3 year olds, 8, 9, 11, 12, two 13 year olds, 14, and three 17 year olds. Plus one spring break vacationer was accidentally shot with her fiancé's gun, which discharged when the bag it was packed in was tossed from the trunk of the car onto the sidewalk upon arrival in Panama City Beach. Ah, young love!

In related news, the Seattle Times reported (http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023141714_accidentalshootingsxml.html) over the weekend that in 2012, more Washington state residents were seriously hurt in accidental shootings than in any year since 1995.

It made for an interesting study, because when it comes to accidental deaths due to firearms, the trend is usually downward, which may have as much to do with improved medical care (and available airlifts to that improved medical care) as with improved safety features on modern guns. But injury has its own unique costs, and shouldn't be ignored in our surveys. Especially if the numbers are trending in the wrong direction. (Though I suppose it's possible that some of those who in the past might have been killed in their gun accidents were saved by the aforementioned improvements in medical care, only to end up boosting the injury statistics, which would make it hard to argue that such incidents are, on an individual basis, part of a trend in the "wrong" direction.)

(followed by 41 shooting instances)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/19/1283152/-Spring-Break-2014-Girls-Gone-to-the-Hospital-GunFAIL-LXI?detail=email

2nd Amendment! :lol

Self defense! :lol

I have no dick (below my 50 pound pot belly)! :lol

marans! :lol

Water the Tree! :lol

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http://www.krdo.com/news/students-at-the-shooting-range-for-gun-safety/25055098

PUEBLO COUNTY, Colo. -

Middle school students moved their lesson from the classroom to the shooting range.

It wasn’t your typical field trip. A group of students in Pueblo County was firing live ammo and learning about gun safety.

"I'm very excited, today we're going to come out here on the gun range and shoot a little bit. The past week we've learned about the revolutionary war," said Jonah Statezny, a Craver middle school student.

"My favorite part is shooting guns. When I was little we used to go to the shooting range," said another student, Danielle Cooper.

These students have been on field trips before. But not one quite like this.

Guns in school can be a touchy subject.

"Often firearms and schools don't mix. There's a big fear there. So we are pushing the safety aspect and hopefully ease some people’s fears," said Timothy Baird, with the Craver Middle School

Appleseed is a nonprofit, dedicated to teaching American history and traditional marksmanship.

For the first time, the national organization brought guns into a classroom, right in Pueblo County.

"We've never been allowed to bring actual real firearms into a school. Until this week. This is a very big deal. We had them touching fire arms, holding them and learning about how to handle them safely,” said Elizabeth Blackwood with Appleseed.

"I think everyone should learn how to use a gun but learn how to use it properly, and the precautions you’re supposed to take and how serious a gun really is," said Statezny.

"I think they should learn and it's actually pretty good advice," added Cooper.

It’s advice some teachers think needs to be in the hands of students in school.

“Personally I think it's a great step forward," said Baird.

[Th'Pusher]

http://www.krdo.com/news/students-at-the-shooting-range-for-gun-safety/25055098

PUEBLO COUNTY, Colo. -

Middle school students moved their lesson from the classroom to the shooting range.

It wasn’t your typical field trip. A group of students in Pueblo County was firing live ammo and learning about gun safety.

"I'm very excited, today we're going to come out here on the gun range and shoot a little bit. The past week we've learned about the revolutionary war," said Jonah Statezny, a Craver middle school student.

"My favorite part is shooting guns. When I was little we used to go to the shooting range," said another student, Danielle Cooper.

These students have been on field trips before. But not one quite like this.

Guns in school can be a touchy subject.

"Often firearms and schools don't mix. There's a big fear there. So we are pushing the safety aspect and hopefully ease some people’s fears," said Timothy Baird, with the Craver Middle School

Appleseed is a nonprofit, dedicated to teaching American history and traditional marksmanship.

For the first time, the national organization brought guns into a classroom, right in Pueblo County.

"We've never been allowed to bring actual real firearms into a school. Until this week. This is a very big deal. We had them touching fire arms, holding them and learning about how to handle them safely,” said Elizabeth Blackwood with Appleseed.

"I think everyone should learn how to use a gun but learn how to use it properly, and the precautions you’re supposed to take and how serious a gun really is," said Statezny.

"I think they should learn and it's actually pretty good advice," added Cooper.

It’s advice some teachers think needs to be in the hands of students in school.

“Personally I think it's a great step forward," said Baird.

Now that's what I'm talkin' about. Single fuckin' issue.

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Now that's what I'm talkin' about. Single fuckin' issue.

Sticking to the topic at hand pusher

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Shot and Killed at Work? It Happened to 375 People Last Year

Last year, 375 employees were shot and killed on the job, says the Department of Labor. If you are an employee, you are five times as likely to be shot to death at work if your employer allows guns says an American Journal of Public Health study.

The NRA says an Alabama version of the law, which went into effect this summer, "extends the current Castle Doctrine to include places of business to ensure the right of self-defense does not end when you enter your business."

Employers see it differently. "Allowing employees to have near, immediate access to firearms, at work, creates an element of risk that is unacceptable," said Mark Hogan, FedEx’s vice president for security, in testimony last year before Tennessee lawmakers. “Much like a private homeowner is able to tell his guests whether they can bring a gun into his yard, FedEx should have the right to decide what it will and will not allow on its private property,” says Hogan. Volkswagen, Caterpillar and Bridgestone have joined FedEx in opposing the expansionistic gun laws.

"I really object to the government getting involved to say what's allowed on my property," he said, sporting a "Wayne Never Asked Me" T-shirt.

http://admin.alternet.org/speakeasy/martharosenberg/shot-and-killed-work-it-happened-375-people-last-year?akid=11088.187590.qsCHLO&rd=1&src=newsletter916298&t=11

dickless gun fellators are useful idiots, shilling for the gun industry.

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fucking Confederacy at it again

Amid Wave of Pro-Gun Legislation, Georgia Proposes Sweeping Law

Pro- and anti-gun forces do not agree on much, but they do agree on the breathtaking sweep of the Georgia legislation allowing guns in bars, schools, restaurants, churches and airports that is now awaiting the signature of Gov. Nathan Deal.
The Georgia bill, she said, is “so extreme and people do have such a strong reaction to it. I don’t think over all it’s a victory for them.”

The bill was opposed not only by gun-control groups, but also by the state’s police chiefs association and restaurant association, Episcopal and Catholic churches, and the federal Transportation Security Administration. A majority of Georgians also opposed it, according to several polls.

The bill allows people with a weapons permit to carry loaded guns into bars, as long as they do not consume alcohol — although the bill does not say how that caveat would be enforced.

It allows guns in public areas of airports and eliminates criminal charges for permit holders caught with guns at airport security. It authorizes school districts to appoint staff members to carry guns at schools, ostensibly to defend students in case of an attack.

It allows felons to claim the Stand Your Ground defense — in which someone who “reasonably believes” his life is in danger has no duty to walk away and may instead shoot to kill. And that is just the beginning.

Many bar owners said they were taken by surprise.

“I don’t have any problems with people owning guns, but I do have a problem with guns and alcohol,”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/25/us/amid-wave-of-pro-gun-legislation-georgia-proposes-sweeping-law.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

what fucking screwed up country, esp the Confederacy and red neck red states.

[TSA]

fucking Confederacy at it again

Amid Wave of Pro-Gun Legislation, Georgia Proposes Sweeping Law


Pro- and anti-gun forces do not agree on much, but they do agree on the breathtaking sweep of the Georgia legislation allowing guns in bars, schools, restaurants, churches and airports that is now awaiting the signature of Gov. Nathan Deal.
The Georgia bill, she said, is “so extreme and people do have such a strong reaction to it. I don’t think over all it’s a victory for them.”

The bill was opposed not only by gun-control groups, but also by the state’s police chiefs association and restaurant association, Episcopal and Catholic churches, and the federal Transportation Security Administration. A majority of Georgians also opposed it, according to several polls.Strange that they left the polls out of the article don't you think.


The bill allows people with a weapons permit to carry loaded guns into bars, as long as they do not consume alcohol — although the bill does not say how that caveat would be enforced.“This is a private property issue,” said State Representative Rick Jasperse, the bill’s original sponsor. “We’re not going to decide what goes on inside a bar. Let the bar owner decide.”
Don't see a problem here if the bar decides whether or not to permit, do you?




It allows guns in public areas of airports and eliminates criminal charges for permit holders caught with guns at airport security. It authorizes school districts to appoint staff members to carry guns at schools, ostensibly to defend students in case of an attack. Again, don't see a problem here, CCW holders are notorious law abiders.


It allows felons to claim the Stand Your Ground defense — in which someone who “reasonably believes” his life is in danger has no duty to walk away and may instead shoot to kill. And that is just the beginning.It is ILLEGAL for a felon to own a gun, this is nonsense.


Many bar owners said they were taken by surprise.

“I don’t have any problems with people owning guns, but I do have a problem with guns and alcohol,” Like stated before, the bar owner can decide whether or not to permit.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/25/us/amid-wave-of-pro-gun-legislation-georgia-proposes-sweeping-law.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

what fucking screwed up country, esp the Confederacy and red neck red states.





boutons, have you ever handled a gun?

[TSA]

in before thpusher's single issue smack

[TSA]

Finally some good news out of Detroit

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140325/METRO01/303250066#ixzz2x4x7lpcv

Detroit— Criminals prowling for victims in Detroit are instead finding armed citizens willing to open fire.

A northwest Detroit homeowner on Tuesday fatally shot two men he said were trying to break into his west-side house.

If those shootings are ruled self-defense, they will bring to 10 the number of fatal self-defense shootings in the city since Jan. 1.

Detroit has traditionally had a large percentage of the nation’s justifiable homicides by citizens. In 2012, the last year for which national figures are available, there were 25 justifiable homicides in Detroit, which made up 8 percent of the 310 seen nationwide. Last year, there were 15 justifiable homicides in the city.

“It’s horrific what’s going on in the city, where people have to defend their homes with guns,” said the Rev. Barak Holmes of Diverse Deliverance, who lives near the house where Tuesday’s shootings occurred and heard four shots.

“We have to pray for our city.”

Detroit Police Sgt. Michael Woody said the homeowner heard a commotion near his side window at about 10:30 a.m. Tuesday on the 14800 block of Dexter. The man decided to go out the back door to see what was happening in his driveway.

When the resident spotted the two men in their 20s, a fight ensued. The homeowner reached for his handgun and opened fire, killing both.

The homeowner has a concealed pistol license, Woody said. The case is being forwarded to the Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office to determine if the shooting was justifiable or if charges will be filed. It was unclear if the two suspects were armed.

Woody said police responded to a break-in at the same home on Friday.

Detroit Police Chief James Craig said at a press conference last week that in his 37-year career, he’s never seen as many homeowners defending themselves by shooting intruders. Craig told The News in January he felt the crime rate could be lowered if more “good Americans” were armed, because he said criminals would think twice about attacking.

“It does appear more and more Detroiters are becoming empowered,” Craig said. “More and more Detroiters are getting sick of the violence. I know of no other place where I’ve seen this number of justifiable homicides. It’s interesting that these incidents go across gender lines.”

Among the recent incidents:

■On March 7, a woman in her 50s shot and killed a man trying to break into her home in the 22000 block of Grove Street. She heard noises at her rear window and shot the intruder in the chest.

■At 2 a.m. Feb. 22, two men broke into a house on the city’s southwest side; the homeowner shot both men. A 21-year-old man died and the other man escaped.

■Earlier on Feb. 22, at 12:30 a.m., a woman who was surprised by a gunman when she pulled her car into the garage was able to reach for her own gun and fatally shoot the man.

■A woman on Feb. 17 opened fire on three teens who kicked in her door. The alleged intruders, ages 14, 14 and 15, were caught by police and charged with home invasion.

“People who are faced with a dangerous situation are taking matters into their own hands,” Craig said. “We’re not advocating violence; we’re advocates of not being victims. We’re advocates of self-protection. We want people to be safe.

“This should be a message to those who continue to perpetuate violence on Detroiters that enough is enough. You’ve got to be concerned about good Detroiters who aren’t going to stand for it,” Craig said. “Detroiters are fed up and they are taking action.”

Johnny West, a 63-year-old resident of the city’s east side, is licensed to carry a .40 caliber Glock, and said he’ll use it if need be.

“People have to protect themselves,” West said. “These criminals have no business breaking into people’s houses in the first place. Don’t take what’s not yours, and everything will be OK. If someone’s coming in your house, you don’t have time to call the cops; you’ll end up laying there dead. You got to do what you got to do.”



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140325/METRO01/303250066#ixzz2x5u6hbyz

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Some good news out of San Francisco today, this could be better than a recall.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/California-State-Senator-Leland-Yee-Arrested-on-Bribery-And-Corruption-Charges-252452181.html

California state Sen. Leland Yee has been arrested on public corruption charges as part of several arrests made by the FBI Wednesday morning during a massive FBI sting, the FBI told NBC Bay Area.

Sources had originally told NBC Bay Area bribery charges were also involved, but that remains unconfirmed.

The FBI office in San Francisco said that those arrrested in Wednesday's sweep, including Yee, will appear before Federal Magistrate Judge Nathaniel Cousins in San Francisco at 1:30 p.m for arraignment.

One of the places the FBI searched Wednesday was at the San Francisco Chinatown office of the Gee King Tong Free Masons, where Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow, a former Chinatown gangster, conducts business. Chow was also arrested during the raid.

The FBI also arrested Keith Jackson, a well-known political consultant in San Francisco who is on the board of the Hunters Point Boys and Girls Club.

"The FBI executed multiple search warrants in the city and beyond," FBI spokesperson Peter Lee said, adding that the agency is not giving out detailed information at the moment because they are concerned about officer safety.

Sources told NBC Bay Area that Yee faces corruption charges in relation to his work as a state senator as well as his campaign for secretary of state.

Sources also told NBC Bay Area that some of the complaints against Yee may be related to medical marijuana and martial arts companies.

Yee, who has served in the state Legislature for more than a decade, was elected to the State Senate in November 2006 and represents District 8, which includes San Francisco and San Mateo County. The former San Francisco supervisor and 2011 mayoral candidate is currently running for secretary of state.

Officers from the California Highway Patrol and Sergeant at Arms are currently stationed outside Yee's state Capitol office in Sacramento, where the FBI agents are conducting a raid, taking computers and other documents, according to KCRA-TV.

The FBI confirmed to KCRA-TV that it had raided homes and businesses in the Bay Area and Sacramento Wednesday morning, issuing multiple search warrants and making arrests.

Sources told NBC Bay Area that the FBI investigation dates back years. NBC Bay Area has learned that the FBI is making a number of arrests connected to the investigation.

Yee's arrest would make him the third Democratic state senator fighting charges this year.

His arrest comes just one month after prosecutors announced federal bribery and corruption charges filed against state Sen. Ron Calderon.

Prosecutors say the Los Angeles-area Democrat accepted about $100,000 in cash bribes and other perks in exchange for his supporting or opposing bills. Calderon has pleaded not guilty.

Earlier in the year, Democratic Sen. Rod Wright was found guilty of multiple charges that stemmed from accusations he did not actually live in the Southern California district he represents. Wright is appealing the conviction.

Both Wright and Calderon have taken a leave of absence from the state Senate.

Democrat Derek Cressman, who is running against Yee for secretary of state, released the following statement:

"Coming on the heels of the corruption charges of Senator Calderon and the conviction of Senator Wright, today's actions need to be a wake up call. We are clearly beyond the point of looking at one bad apple and instead looking at a corrupt institution in the California senate," Cressman said. "The constant begging for campaign cash clearly has a corrosive effect on a person's soul and the only solution is to get big money out of our politics once and for all."

San Francisco Myaor Ed Lee couldn't be reached for comment.

Yee is the first Chinese American ever elected to the California State Senate. He emigrated to San Francisco from China at age 3. Yee graduated from the University of California at Berkeley and receieved a master's degree from San Francisco State University. Yee and his wife Maxine have four children.

[Th'Pusher]

in before thpusher's single issue smack
No smack. You miss my point. I only want you to focus on responding to this single issue as it is the only thing you're capable of discussing with any depth of knowledge...although we do have to wade through the responses driven by pure emotion. When you venture outside of this very narrow subject, it might as well be WC responding - uninformed, hack, emotional dribble.

The message - Stay focused on your guns and ammo gods my friend.

[TSA]

No smack. You miss my point. I only want you to focus on responding to this single issue as it is the only thing you're capable of discussing with any depth of knowledge...although we do have to wade through the responses driven by pure emotion. When you venture outside of this very narrow subject, it might as well be WC responding - uninformed, hack, emotional dribble.

The message - Stay focused on your guns and ammo gods my friend.

I think you miss the entire point of the TSA.

[Th'Pusher]

I think you miss the entire point of the TSA.

TSA is a troll that only knows about a single narrow issue, but manages to let his emotions comment on any number of issues he knows absolutely nothing about? That's a pretty advanced troll :tu

[TSA]

TSA is a troll that only knows about a single narrow issue, but manages to let his emotions comment on any number of issues he knows absolutely nothing about? That's a pretty advanced troll :tu

Not quite Pusher, I'm well versed in many subjects and am not limited to just trolling the gun pansies. Where I choose to display these talents and under what handle is what is eluding you.

[Th'Pusher]

Not quite Pusher, I'm well versed in many subjects and am not limited to just trolling the gun pansies. Where I choose to display these talents and under what handle is what is eluding you.
Is that part of your TSA troll shtick? to be completely ignorant on any subject outside of 2nd amendment bullsht fed to you by the NRA and the guns and ammo industry? all your sage advice flows from TheSanityAnex? Or how about that other shitty troll you resurrected which was recognized immediately - kinsfan4ever? Was that it?

you're trolls aren't very versitie tbh.

[TSA]

Is that part of your TSA troll shtick? to be completely ignorant on any subject outside of 2nd amendment bullsht fed to you by the NRA and the guns and ammo industry? all your sage advice flows from TheSanityAnex? Or how about that other shitty troll you resurrected which was recognized immediately - kinsfan4ever? Was that it?

you're trolls aren't very versitie tbh.

Like I said, my other handles and topics of interest elude you. I've been trolling the Internet since I was a 5th grader in the prodigy chat rooms, I'm quite good at this. You only see what I want you to see.

[TSA]

to be completely ignorant on any subject outside of 2nd amendment bullsht fed to you by the NRA and the guns and ammo industry?
You know I don't buy the NRA bullshit as I'm a very sensible gun owner and am willing to listen to both sides of the argument. That'd be like me accusing you of lapping up the far left's all guns are bad schtick.

[Th'Pusher]

Like I said, my other handles and topics of interest elude you. I've been trolling the Internet since I was a 5th grader in the prodigy chat rooms, I'm quite good at this. You only see what I want you to see.

Useful skill.

[TSA]

Useful skill.

Extremely useful when dealing with message boards.

[Th'Pusher]

Extremely useful when dealing with message boards.

You should take snakeboy under your wing. That guy really wants to troll but he's struggling...mightily.

[boutons_deux]

Stand Your Ground Is About To Get Even Worse In Florida (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/03/3422782/florida-passes-stand-your-ground-expansion/)

Attempts to roll back any of the Florida Stand Your Ground law’s most incendiary elements have foundered more than two years after the death (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/26/3332391/trayvon-martin-years/) of Trayvon Martin. But a bill to expand the law passed Thursday, mere months after it was introduced (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/11/08/2915351/florida-house-panel-rejects-stand-ground-repeal-expand/).

The National Rifle Association-backed bill (https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0448/BillText/e1/HTML) would extend Stand Your Ground-like protections to those who point a gun at an attacker or fire a gun as a self-defense threat or warning, expanding the scope of the discretion judges and juries retain to exempt shooters from criminal charges for gun violence. The final bill also includes a provision to keep Stand Your Ground records secret.

The “Threatened Use of Force” bill passed the Senate Thursday 32-7, and will become law if signed by Gov. Rick Scott (R). The bill initially gained traction after Republicans exploited the outrage over the 20-year prison sentence for Marissa Alexander, who fired a warning shot during an altercation with her abusive husband. The bill was then dubbed the “warning shot” bill, because a judge rejected Alexander’s move to invoke the law. But opponents were quick to point out that injustice in Alexander’s case hinged in large part on a draconian mandatory minimum sentence that required the 20-year prison term, insensitivity to domestic violence, and racial disparities that are already baked into the existing Stand Your Ground law.

Rather than protect those like Alexander, the law is likely to expand immunity for violent conduct in as vague and sweeping a manner as Florida’s existing Stand Your Ground law, and could represent the newest mechanism for encouraging even more vigilantism (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/10/29/2851351/ways-stand-ground-promoting-vigilantism/).

A new amendment that made its way into the final bill would also make secret all records from Stand Your Ground cases, meaning that the records would be sealed in cases where charges are later dropped, and those who are granted immunity would have their records expunged. But the law also means that media outlets seeking to document the impact of the law would not have access (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/03/24/3417570/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-stand-your-ground-bills-advancing-in-florida/) to any records.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/03/3422782/florida-passes-stand-your-ground-expansion/

fucking Confederate racists, the dead n!gg@s gonna pile up.

Confederate racist Georgia going in the same direction.

[TSA]

Stand Your Ground Is About To Get Even Worse In Florida (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/03/3422782/florida-passes-stand-your-ground-expansion/)

Attempts to roll back any of the Florida Stand Your Ground law’s most incendiary elements have foundered more than two years after the death (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/26/3332391/trayvon-martin-years/) of Trayvon Martin. But a bill to expand the law passed Thursday, mere months after it was introduced (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/11/08/2915351/florida-house-panel-rejects-stand-ground-repeal-expand/).

The National Rifle Association-backed bill (https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0448/BillText/e1/HTML) would extend Stand Your Ground-like protections to those who point a gun at an attacker or fire a gun as a self-defense threat or warning, expanding the scope of the discretion judges and juries retain to exempt shooters from criminal charges for gun violence. The final bill also includes a provision to keep Stand Your Ground records secret.

The “Threatened Use of Force” bill passed the Senate Thursday 32-7, and will become law if signed by Gov. Rick Scott (R). The bill initially gained traction after Republicans exploited the outrage over the 20-year prison sentence for Marissa Alexander, who fired a warning shot during an altercation with her abusive husband. The bill was then dubbed the “warning shot” bill, because a judge rejected Alexander’s move to invoke the law. But opponents were quick to point out that injustice in Alexander’s case hinged in large part on a draconian mandatory minimum sentence that required the 20-year prison term, insensitivity to domestic violence, and racial disparities that are already baked into the existing Stand Your Ground law.

Rather than protect those like Alexander, the law is likely to expand immunity for violent conduct in as vague and sweeping a manner as Florida’s existing Stand Your Ground law, and could represent the newest mechanism for encouraging even more vigilantism (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/10/29/2851351/ways-stand-ground-promoting-vigilantism/).

A new amendment that made its way into the final bill would also make secret all records from Stand Your Ground cases, meaning that the records would be sealed in cases where charges are later dropped, and those who are granted immunity would have their records expunged. But the law also means that media outlets seeking to document the impact of the law would not have access (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/03/24/3417570/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-stand-your-ground-bills-advancing-in-florida/) to any records.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/03/3422782/florida-passes-stand-your-ground-expansion/

fucking Confederate racists, the dead n!gg@s gonna pile up.

Confederate racist Georgia going in the same direction.




You do realize in Florida that blacks use stand your ground the most and are also the most successful when claiming it correct?

[boutons_deux]

You do realize in Florida that blacks use stand your ground the most and are also the most successful when claiming it correct?

obviously, Confederate racist FL and other racist red states weren't thinking about the welfare of blacks, which would be a undesirable, unintentional side effects of SYG shoot the n!gg@s laws.

[boutons_deux]

Justice Stevens: The five extra words that can fix the Second Amendment

Concern that a national standing army might pose a threat to the security of the separate states led to the adoption of the Second Amendment, which provides that “a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

For more than 200 years following the adoption of that amendment, federal judges uniformly understood that the right protected by that text was limited in two ways: First, it applied only to keeping and bearing arms for military purposes, and second, while it limited the power of the federal government, it did not impose any limit whatsoever on the power of states or local governments to regulate the ownership or use of firearms. Thus, in United States v. Miller, decided in 1939, the court unanimously held that Congress could prohibit the possession of a sawed-off shotgun because that sort of weapon had no reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a “well regulated Militia.”

When I joined the court in 1975, that holding was generally understood as limiting the scope of the Second Amendment to uses of arms that were related to military activities. During the years when Warren Burger was chief justice, from 1969 to 1986, no judge or justice expressed any doubt about the limited coverage of the amendment, and I cannot recall any judge suggesting that the amendment might place any limit on state authority to do anything.

Organizations such as the National Rifle Association (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-nras-true-believers-converted-a-marksmanship-group-into-a-mighty-gun-lobby/2013/01/12/51c62288-59b9-11e2-88d0-c4cf65c3ad15_story.html) disagreed with that position and mounted a vigorous campaign claiming that federal regulation of the use of firearms severely curtailed Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Five years after his retirement, during a 1991 appearance on “The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour,” Burger himself remarked that the Second Amendment “has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word ‘fraud,’ on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-five-extra-words-that-can-fix-the-second-amendment/2014/04/11/f8a19578-b8fa-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html

Fuck the NRA/GOA, fuck gun fellators, fuck their paymasters the guns/ammo industry.

[boutons_deux]

Death threats stop gun store from selling 'smart' gun. Why?

The White House has urged gun companies to invent safety technology that could limit a gun’s use to its owner. But two gun shops decided not to sell such guns after receiving death threats.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2014/0503/Death-threats-stop-gun-store-from-selling-smart-gun.-Why

sicko gun fellators just love FREEDOM! and "free markets" only when freedom applies to themselves. They know they define, enforce how much freedom they grant others. :lol

[TSA]

Death threats stop gun store from selling 'smart' gun. Why?

The White House has urged gun companies to invent safety technology that could limit a gun’s use to its owner. But two gun shops decided not to sell such guns after receiving death threats.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2014/0503/Death-threats-stop-gun-store-from-selling-smart-gun.-Why

sicko gun fellators just love FREEDOM! and "free markets" only when freedom applies to themselves. They know they define, enforce how much freedom they grant others. :lol

Eric holder should have equipped the guns he was running in Fast and Furious with smart chips, Brian Terry and 150+ Mexican civilians would still be alive today.

[TSA]

sicko gun fellators just love FREEDOM! and "free markets" only when freedom applies to themselves. They know they define, enforce how much freedom they grant others. :lol[/FONT][/SIZE]

That shop owner is a fucking drama queen and I wonder why the reporters never asked to hear the voicemails of said threats. I'd never own a smart gun due to the many possibilities of electronic failures, but I've got no problem with smart guns. The problem I do have with them are the absurd laws attached to them. Boutons were you aware that in NJ if a smart gun is sold that 3 years from then ONLY smart guns will allowed to be sold? That is what people are pissed about.

[Winehole23]

the NRA gets no help from SCOTUS, losing streak continues:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-05/new-jersey-gun-carrying-limit-left-intact-by-high-court.html

[boutons_deux]

Why Don’t We Know How Many People Are Shot Each Year in America?

How many Americans have been shot over the past 10 years? No one really knows. We don't even know if the number of people shot annually has gone up or down over that time.

The government's own numbers seem to conflict. One source of data on shooting victims suggests that gun-related violence has been declining for years, while another government estimate actually shows an increase in the number of people who have been shot. Each estimate is based on limited, incomplete data. Not even the FBI tracks the total number of nonfatal gunshot wounds.

"We know how many people die, but not how many are injured and survive," said Dr. Demetrios Demetriades, a Los Angeles trauma surgeon who has been studying nationwide gunshot injury trends.
While the number of gun murders has decreased in recent years, there's debate over whether this reflects a drop in the total number of shootings, or an improvement in how many lives emergency room doctors can save.

Doctors and researchers have been advocating for better gun injury data since the late 1980s. But fierce political battles (http://www.propublica.org/article/republicans-say-no-to-cdc-gun-violence-research/) over gun violence research — including pressure (http://www.propublica.org/article/republicans-say-no-to-cdc-gun-violence-research/) from congressional Republicans that put an end to some government-funded studies on firearms — has meant that we still don't know many basic facts (http://www.propublica.org/article/meet-the-doctor-who-gave-1-million-to-keep-his-gun-research-going/) about gun violence in America.

"In the absence of real data, politicians and policymakers do what the hell they want," Dr. David Livingston, the director of the New Jersey Trauma Center at University Hospital in Newark. said "They do what the hell they want anyway," he added, "but in the absence of data, they have nobody to call them on it."

The Department of Justice has estimates of nonfatal shootings that suggest a similar trend: Its National Crime Victimization Survey (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf) shows a decline, from an average of about 22,000 nonfatal shootings in 2002, to roughly 12,000 a year from 2007 to 2011, according to a Department of Justice statistician.

But over the same time period, CDC estimates show that the number of Americans coming to hospitals with nonfatal, violent gun injuries has actually gone up: from an estimated 37,321 nonfatal gunshot injuries in 2002 to 55,544 in 2011.

The contrast between the two estimates is hard to clear up, since each data source has serious limitations.

Experts say that household data-gathering efforts, like the National Crime Victimization Survey, likely miss the Americans who are most likely to be victims of gun violence.

Shooting victims are "disproportionately young men of color who are living unstable lives and often involved in underground markets or criminal activity, and this is a group that is incredibly difficult to survey," said Philip Cook, a gun violence expert at Duke University. "A lot of them are in jail at any point in time, or if they're not in jail, they have no stable address."

"We have a variety of other evidence that gun violence is going down," Cook said. "By Occam's razor, I'd have to believe that the simplest explanation is that the nonfatal woundings are going down, too."

http://www.propublica.org/article/why-dont-we-know-how-many-people-are-shot-each-year-in-america?utm_source=et&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailynewsletter

[boutons_deux]

dickless, emotionally runted assholes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VJPMeXQ6xk#t=73

dickless misogynists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYwuuGaVs4

[boutons_deux]

Open Carry Texas harasses, threatens former Marine for speaking against them (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/30/1303128/-Open-Carry-Texas-harasses-threatens-former-Marine-for-speaking-against-them)

In a video obtained by Mother Jones that was posted online later that day by one of the activists, the group can be seen pursuing and harassing James through downtown Fort Worth. "I'm following this guy around," declares one of them, setting off after him with his weapon slung across his back. He and others stay right behind James for several city blocks, following him through traffic and taunting him along the way.

That right there sounds like a good way to get shot by a Good Guy With a Gun. If you saw a gaggle of angry guys with rifles following somebody around yelling at him, that does seem the kind of thing that would set a Good Guy With a Gun off.

Then the crowd got video of his car and license plate and posted it online, which is the precise thing they were so very upset with James here but when they do it they're patriots.


"That guy obviously thinks he's a badass talking shit to armed citizens," one gun activist said. "When [the shit hits the fan] I'll be happy to smash assholes like him."

clearly believes in the conspiracy theory that shit will be hitting the fan in America, shit that requires good patriots like him to start killing the people he doesn't like.That right there is an unstable fellow. That is the next American murderer waiting for his moment to shine. That is the kind of person who should not be allowed anywhere near a gun at all, thank you very much, and when this person is walking around city streets with his one or more loaded rifles, because patriotism, this is the kind of person who does indeed present a clear and present threat.
This is an armed intimidation campaign staffed by crazy people. It's the Cliven Bundy Ranch traveling road show.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/30/1303128/-Open-Carry-Texas-harasses-threatens-former-Marine-for-speaking-against-them?detail=email


:lol,

"Good Guys" with guns, just waiting to wave their big black steel dicks an ANYBODY who dares face them, and salivating about killing the Bad Guys Because They Don't Have Guns

[TDMVPDPOY]

Open Carry Texas harasses, threatens former Marine for speaking against them (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/30/1303128/-Open-Carry-Texas-harasses-threatens-former-Marine-for-speaking-against-them)

In a video obtained by Mother Jones that was posted online later that day by one of the activists, the group can be seen pursuing and harassing James through downtown Fort Worth. "I'm following this guy around," declares one of them, setting off after him with his weapon slung across his back. He and others stay right behind James for several city blocks, following him through traffic and taunting him along the way.

That right there sounds like a good way to get shot by a Good Guy With a Gun. If you saw a gaggle of angry guys with rifles following somebody around yelling at him, that does seem the kind of thing that would set a Good Guy With a Gun off.

Then the crowd got video of his car and license plate and posted it online, which is the precise thing they were so very upset with James here but when they do it they're patriots.


"That guy obviously thinks he's a badass talking shit to armed citizens," one gun activist said. "When [the shit hits the fan] I'll be happy to smash assholes like him."

clearly believes in the conspiracy theory that shit will be hitting the fan in America, shit that requires good patriots like him to start killing the people he doesn't like.That right there is an unstable fellow. That is the next American murderer waiting for his moment to shine. That is the kind of person who should not be allowed anywhere near a gun at all, thank you very much, and when this person is walking around city streets with his one or more loaded rifles, because patriotism, this is the kind of person who does indeed present a clear and present threat.
This is an armed intimidation campaign staffed by crazy people. It's the Cliven Bundy Ranch traveling road show.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/30/1303128/-Open-Carry-Texas-harasses-threatens-former-Marine-for-speaking-against-them?detail=email


:lol,

"Good Guys" with guns, just waiting to wave their big black steel dicks an ANYBODY who dares face them, and salivating about killing the Bad Guys Because They Don't Have Guns




i assume these clowns with guns act all hard and shit in their own country, but run when war is on their foot steps or when their country needs them they are nowhere to be seen

[TheSanityAnnex]

Open Carry Texas harasses, threatens former Marine for speaking against them (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/30/1303128/-Open-Carry-Texas-harasses-threatens-former-Marine-for-speaking-against-them)

In a video obtained by Mother Jones that was posted online later that day by one of the activists, the group can be seen pursuing and harassing James through downtown Fort Worth. "I'm following this guy around," declares one of them, setting off after him with his weapon slung across his back. He and others stay right behind James for several city blocks, following him through traffic and taunting him along the way.

That right there sounds like a good way to get shot by a Good Guy With a Gun. If you saw a gaggle of angry guys with rifles following somebody around yelling at him, that does seem the kind of thing that would set a Good Guy With a Gun off.

Then the crowd got video of his car and license plate and posted it online, which is the precise thing they were so very upset with James here but when they do it they're patriots.


"That guy obviously thinks he's a badass talking shit to armed citizens," one gun activist said. "When [the shit hits the fan] I'll be happy to smash assholes like him."

clearly believes in the conspiracy theory that shit will be hitting the fan in America, shit that requires good patriots like him to start killing the people he doesn't like.That right there is an unstable fellow. That is the next American murderer waiting for his moment to shine. That is the kind of person who should not be allowed anywhere near a gun at all, thank you very much, and when this person is walking around city streets with his one or more loaded rifles, because patriotism, this is the kind of person who does indeed present a clear and present threat.
This is an armed intimidation campaign staffed by crazy people. It's the Cliven Bundy Ranch traveling road show.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/30/1303128/-Open-Carry-Texas-harasses-threatens-former-Marine-for-speaking-against-them?detail=email


:lol,

"Good Guys" with guns, just waiting to wave their big black steel dicks an ANYBODY who dares face them, and salivating about killing the Bad Guys Because They Don't Have Guns





I think these open carry guys are retards....but :lol @ motherjones getting sued for illegally stealing, copying, and editing those guys video and using it on their website without permission. Outstanding journalism.

[TeyshaBlue]

Iol @"journalism".

[boutons_deux]

Iol @"journalism".

deflection!

Listen carefully: this thread is about you gun fellators as paranoid, dickless, bully sickos

[TeyshaBlue]

You dump shity links. Sucks to be you. :lol boutons

[boutons_deux]

Poor TB :lol So butthurt by The Great Boutons' incessant bitch slappings

[boutons_deux]

here’s Joe “The Plumber” Wurzelbacher of election ’08 fame: “I am sorry you lost your child,” he wrote to the parents of the Santa Barbara dead. “I myself have a son and daughter and the one thing I never want to go through, is what you are going through now. But: As harsh as this sounds — your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights.”

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/money-behind-gun-madness?akid=11866.187590._5s2OJ&rd=1&src=newsletter998135&t=8

[boutons_deux]

The Money Behind the Gun Madness

The NRA, which has the nerve to call itself “America’s longest-standing civil rights organization,” says it’s about freedom. Wrong. The bottom line is that it really is the bottom line: money. The NRA and its gun lobby pals keep the market jumping.

So firearms and ammunition manufacturers, including Remington Outdoor, Smith & Wesson, Sturm Rugar, and Olin (Winchester Ammunition), give the NRA millions. Depending on the company, this includes direct contributions, percentages of sales and sometimes even free NRA memberships with a purchase.

According to a report early last year by Walter Hickey in Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1),

“Since 2005, the gun industry and its corporate allies have given between $20 million and $52.6 million to it through the NRA Ring of Freedom (http://home.nra.org/pdf/CORP_BROCHURE_FINAL.pdf) sponsor program…

The NRA also made $20.9 million — about 10 percent of its revenue — from selling advertising (http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/530/530116130/530116130_201012_990O.pdf) to industry companies marketing products in its many publications in 2010, according to the IRS Form 990.”

Charlie Pierce (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/memorial-day-2014-052614?src=spr_TWITTER&spr_id=1456_60561733), prodigious political blogger over at Esquire magazine put it well:

“This is a country at war with itself for profit. This is a country at war with itself because its ruling elite is too cowed, or too well-bribed, or too cowardly to recognize that there are people who are getting rich arming both sides, because the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, so you make sure that it’s easy for the bad guys to get guns in order to make millions selling the guns to the good guys.”

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/money-behind-gun-madness?akid=11866.187590._5s2OJ&rd=1&src=newsletter998135&t=8&paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

2nd Amendment? That's perverted propaganda you gun fellators BELIEVE as if it came straight from your Jesus' mouth.

It'$ All About The Benjamin$$$.

[TeyshaBlue]

Poor TB :lol So butthurt by The Great Boutons' incessant bitch slappings

Poor boutons :lol. So delusional due to being constantly bitch slapped. Now runaway to your echo chamber and spam more shitty links. Beats thinking for yourself.

[boutons_deux]

Unending news from sicko, Constitution-perverting gun fellators

Gun-rights group organizing delegates to open carry assault rifles at Texas GOP convention

A controversial Texas gun group has called on activists make the Texas Republican Party convention the next front in their battle for the right to openly carry assault-style rifles as many places as possible.

Last week, the gun-rights group Open Carry Tarrant County sued City of Arlington (http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article/Gun-rights-group-sues-over-printed-material-ban-5512447.php) for changing a city ordinance that made it more difficult for its members to approach motorists with pocket-sized copies of the Constitution while they were carrying rifles.

In a recent Facebook posting, the group attempted to call attention to its cause by organizing Republican delegates (http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/05/31/5858773/long-guns-the-new-accessory-at.html?rh=1) to bring long guns and black powder revolvers to the Texas Republican Party convention later this week.

“All delegates, I urge you to open-carry the whole time,” Open Carry Tarrant County coordinator Kory Watkins wrote. “I will be a delegate with my AK 47. Thomas Jefferson would be proud.” :lol

City officials, however, pointed out that guns would not be welcome in the Fort Worth Convention Center as long as alcohol was being served.

“With this type of TABC license, the only type of weapon allowed into an establishment is concealed-carry and those on licensed peace officers,” Fort Worth director of public facilities and events Kirk Slaughter told the Star-Telegram. “The license doesn’t allow bringing in guns other than those that are licensed.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/01/gun-rights-group-organizing-delegates-to-open-carry-assault-rifles-at-texas-gop-convention/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

And just try to say your sicko, ignorant, dickless gun fellatin brothers-in-arms are to be disregarded as the Phelps family of gun fellators.

[Winehole23]

NRA applies the wet blanket to Texas open carry enthusiasts:


The second example comes to us from the Lone Star State, which is second to none for its robust gun culture. We applaud Texans for that, but a small number have recently crossed the line from enthusiasm to downright foolishness.

Now we love AR-15s and AKs as much as anybody, and we know that these sorts of semiautomatic carbines are among the most popular, fastest selling firearms in America today. Texas, independent-minded and liberty-loving place that it is, doesn't ban the carrying of loaded long guns in public, nor does it require a permit for this activity. Yet some so-called firearm advocates seem determined to change this.

Recently, demonstrators have been showing up in various public places, including coffee shops and fast food restaurants, openly toting a variety of tactical long guns. Unlicensed open carry of handguns is legal in about half the U.S. states, and it is relatively common and uncontroversial in some places. Yet while unlicensed open carry of long guns is also typically legal in most places, it is a rare sight to see someone sidle up next to you in line for lunch with a 7.62 rifle slung across his chest, much less a whole gaggle of folks descending on the same public venue with similar arms.

Let's not mince words, not only is it rare, it's downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself. To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one's cause, it can be downright scary. It makes folks who might normally be perfectly open-minded about firearms feel uncomfortable and question the motives of pro-gun advocates.

As a result of these hijinx, two popular fast food outlets have recently requested patrons to keep guns off the premises (more information can be found here (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/11/Jack-In-The-Box-Would-Prefer-Guests-Not-Bring-Guns-Inside-Restaurants) and here (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/05/19/chipotle-dont-bring-guns-in-our-stores/)). In other words, the freedom and goodwill these businesses had previously extended to gun owners has been curtailed because of the actions of an attention-hungry few who thought only of themselves and not of those who might be affected by their behavior. To state the obvious, that's counterproductive for the gun owning community.

More to the point, it's just not neighborly, which is out of character for the big-hearted residents of Texas. Using guns merely to draw attention to yourself in public not only defies common sense, it shows a lack of consideration and manners. That's not the Texas way. And that's certainly not the NRA way.

In summary, NRA certainly does not support bans on personalized guns or on carrying firearms in public, including in restaurants. We think people are intelligent enough to resolve these issues in a reasonable way for themselves. But when people act without thinking, or without consideration for others – especially when it comes to firearms – they set the stage for further restrictions on our rights. Firearm owners face enough challenges these days; we don't need to be victims of friendly fire.
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/5/good-citizens-and-good-neighbors-the-gun-owners-role.aspx

[TheSanityAnnex]

NRA applies the wet blanket to Texas open carry enthusiasts:

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/5/good-citizens-and-good-neighbors-the-gun-owners-role.aspx






Nice of the NRA to take time out their day to bitchslap boutons.

[Winehole23]

nice of the NRA to bitchslap idiot gun activists, too

[TheSanityAnnex]

nice of the NRA to bitchslap idiot gun activists, too

Indeed. Those guy's do no good for the rest of us gun owners.

[boutons_deux]

the gun industry and their shill NRA really don't care. The gun fellators bought the guns, that's all the matters.

[boutons_deux]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/87724/large/OpenCarryTexas-nuts1.jpg

[TheSanityAnnex]

boutons, does a liberal Mexican with a shotgun in a liberal city in a state with very strict gun laws not fit your narrative? I've seen no mention of the Seattle shooting from you.

[boutons_deux]

boutons, does a liberal Mexican with a shotgun in a liberal city in a state with very strict gun laws not fit your narrative? I've seen no mention of the Seattle shooting from you.

The American violent gun culture, as American as apple pie and mom, and propagandized by gun mfrs FOR PROFIT, leads assholes, sickos, dickless gun fellators to think that their problems are solved by shooting up the neighborhood, school, or just the wifey.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/large/public/tom_tomorrow_1.png

[TheSanityAnnex]

The American violent gun culture, as American as apple pie and mom, and propagandized by gun mfrs FOR PROFIT, leads assholes, sickos, dickless gun fellators to think that their problems are solved by shooting up the neighborhood, school, or just the wifey.

Stop dodging my question and answer it. You never skip an opportunity to dance on the graves when it comes to a school shooting, why did you ignore this one?

[boutons_deux]

Stop dodging my question and answer it. You never skip an opportunity to dance on the graves when it comes to a school shooting, why did you ignore this one?

You Lie, asshhole

I don't dance on anybody's grave

I ignored nothing, did not ignore the Seattle shooter sicko, I bitch-slapped you front an center.

[TeyshaBlue]

All you do is dance on graves, asshole. Even better if they're "fucking farmers and ranchers".

[boutons_deux]

All you do is dance on graves, asshole. Even better if they're "fucking farmers and ranchers".

You Lie, typical right-winger, all y'all have to offer is propaganda, slander, lies

[boutons_deux]

‘This isn’t the Wild West anymore’: Bill Maher destroys Open Carry Texas ‘ammosexuals’

The thing about “gun culture,” Real Time host Bill Maher said on Friday, is that there’s not much actual culture — it’s really about the guns, and their owners’ unhealthy attachment to them.


“You guys aren’t just firearm enthusiasts,” Maher said. “You’re ammosexuals. (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/01/never-mind-the-bullets-heres-the-ammosexuals/) And before you try and deny that you have some sort of unnatural romantic relationship with your gun, consider this:

You’re taking it out to dinner. Because it completes you. Get a room.” :lol

Maher advised gun ownership advocates to remember that having firearms didn’t give them a license to scare the rest of the population.

“Chill out, Josey Wales,” Maher said. “This isn’t the Wild West anymore. Clint Eastwood is directing Jersey Boys now.”

Maher also shot down (so to speak) the group’s argument that they needed to conduct these demonstrations or risk “losing” their Second Amendment rights.

“Well no, Cletus,” he scoffed. “You don’t. They’re constitutional rights, therefore you can’t lose them. Perhaps you’re thinking of frequent flier miles.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/07/this-isnt-the-wild-west-anymore-bill-maher-destroys-open-carry-texas-ammosexuals/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[TheSanityAnnex]

You Lie, asshhole

I don't dance on anybody's grave

I ignored nothing, did not ignore the Seattle shooter sicko, I bitch-slapped you front an center.
Need me to bump the Sandy Hook thread to refresh your grave dancing memory or are you just a liar?

And yes, you did ignore the Seattle shooting because it defies your narrative in every aspect: Non white liberal. Liberal city. Liberal school. Extremely strict gun laws. Gun free zone. Pump shotgun.

[boutons_deux]

Need me to bump the Sandy Hook thread to refresh your grave dancing memory or are you just a liar?

And yes, you did ignore the Seattle shooting because it defies your narrative in every aspect: Non white liberal. Liberal city. Liberal school. Extremely strict gun laws. Gun free zone. Pump shotgun.

Go Ahead, Make My Day, bump away.

Dearest mind reader, how do you know I IGNORED the Seattle shooting?

When you brought it up, I bitch slapped you, bitch.

There are SO MANY sicko gun fellator "guns ARE the solution" shootings, eg, the sovereign GA asshole shooting up a court house ( I IGNORED IT! :lol ), it's pointless to post them all, although you gun fellators leaving your guns around, cleaning your loaded guns, whatever, allowing wives, friends, kids to get shot is always worth making the point OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Your perverted gun culture is profoundly sick.

[boutons_deux]

"First, the bad guy with a firearm that gunned down four innocent students was stopped by a good guy with pepper spray; not a gun.

Further, because the

bad guy with a gun did not have an extended magazine like the NRA and gun maniacs fight desperately to put on the streets, he had to stop and reload

giving the security guard the opportunity to pepper spray and wrestle the shooter to the ground preventing even more carnage.

Also, the NRA wants every man, woman, and child armed and dangerous, and if that had been the case while the security guard was wrestling the shooter to the ground, there were reports that bystanders first thought there were two shooters and if one of them had been armed and began firing, they likely would have shot and killed not only the good guy with pepper spray subduing the shooter, but other innocent students attempting to flee the malaise."

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/07/pepper-spray-seattle-pacific-university-shooting-hero-debunks-nras-biggest-claim.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Bad guy with a gun stopping to reload was stopped by (an OFFICIAL) good guy with pepper spray. :lol

NRA/gun fellators probably ridicule the bad guy as an incompetent, under-equipped shooter rather than condemn him as one of their own sicko, blood-thirsty, murderous creations.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/large/public/mattdavies_0.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Supreme Court: Gun buyers must report when they purchase firearms for someone else

On Monday, the Supreme Court upheld (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/scotus-rules-on-background-check-law) two lower court decisions requiring that so-called “straw purchasers” to report when they are purchasing guns for other people.

The “straw purchaser” in the case was Bruce James Abramski, who purchased a Glock 19 for his uncle but indicated on the accompanying federal paperwork that he was the “actual buyer” of the gun. Abramski’s lawyer, Richard Dietz, contended that because both Abramski and his uncle were licensed to own firarms, he didn’t violate federal law when he transferred the Glock 19 to his uncle.

“Congress didn’t use terms like ‘true buyer’ or ‘true purchaser’ or ‘actual buyer’ because they are not concerned about the ultimate recipients of firearms or what happens to a gun after it leaves the gun store,” Dietz said during oral arguments in January.

The Justice Department argued that Congress had intended to identify the ultimate recipient of the firearm, and the Supreme Court agreed.

Justice Elena Kagan, who wrote the ruling, said that using Dietz’s logic, “it does not matter whether the ultimate transferee was Al Capone or somebody else.” Justice Samuel Alito added that allowing licensed dealers to sell firearms without knowing who the final owner is would make existing gun statutes “utterly meaningless.”

Dissenting Justice Antonin Scalia wrote that the Supreme Court was overruling the letter of the law. “The court makes it a federal crime for one lawful gun owner to buy a gun for another lawful gun owner,” he wrote in his dissent. “Whether or not that is a sensible result, the statutes Congress enacted do not support it.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/16/supreme-court-gun-purchasers-must-report-when-they-are-buying-firearms-for-other-people/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

"one lawful gun owner to buy a gun for another lawful gun owner" :lol

Yes, that's EXACTLY what Congress intended! :lol

you're lawful? then go buy your own fucking gun in person

[boutons_deux]

RED STATES SUCK, BLUE STATES SUCK LESS

10 States Where Guns Are Most Likely, And Least Likely, To Kill People

In what states are guns most likely, and least likely, to kill people? Every day in America, nearly 90 people are killed (https://www.vpc.org/press/1406gundeath.htm) [3] by guns, a total of roughly 32,000 annually, according to federal gun violence statistics (https://www.vpc.org/press/1406gundeath.htm) [3].

But blue states are far safer than red states, according new analyses of the most recent data. That’s because states with the most gun controls, which are almost all blue, tend to have fewer gun owners and fewer guns used in suicides, crime and domestic disputes.

Nearly two-thirds of all gun deaths are suicides. There, states with the highest gun ownership rates and loosest laws have the highest percentages of deaths this way. Otherwise, poverty is a major factor, correlating with gun violence.

“The five states with the highest per capita gun death rates in 2011 were Louisiana, Mississippi, Alaska, Wyoming, and Montana,” the Violence Policy Center (VPC) said in its latest analysis (https://www.vpc.org/press/1406gundeath.htm) [3] of federal statistics. “Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention laws as well as a higher rate of gun ownership. The state with the lowest gun death rate in the nation was Rhode Island, followed by Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, and New Jersey. Each of these states has strong gun violence prevention laws and has a lower rate of gun ownership.”

“The overwhelming trend is that the strong gun law states have seen dramatic declines in violence,” John Roman, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute, told 247wallst.com, which also reported (http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/06/26/231958/) [4] on states with the most gun violence. “Weak gun law states have not seen the same decline.”

What states have the most gun-related death?

1. Louisiana. According to the Violence Policy Center, 45.6 percent of homes have a gun. The state had almost 19 gun-related deaths per 100,000 residents in 2011, the most in the nation. It had the country’s highest murder rate, and its gun suicide rate also was higher than the national average. “Louisiana residents also struggle with high poverty rates and poor educational attainment,” 247wallstreet.com said, noting it was the third poorest state with almost 20 percent of residents below the official poverty line. “Like other states on this list, Louisiana’s gun laws do not require residents to have a pernit before purchasing a handgun.”

2. Mississippi.According to VPC, 54.3 percent of homes have a gun. Mississippi also has the nation’s highest poverty rate, 24.4 percent in 2012, and the second highest murder rate, according to 247wallstreet.com. “The state’s suicide rate was also quite high,” its analysis said, “and it trailed behind most states in other factors such as access to basic necessities, health care, and household income.”

3. Alaska. Unlike the deep South, poverty is not an obvious factor. Alaska has some of the “highest educational attainment rates and median household incomes,” 247wallst.com said. But easy access to guns means that guns are used more often. Alaska has the second highest rate of violent crimes of any state, second only to Tennessee. And it has the country's third highest rate of gun suicides. As VPC noted, 60.6 percent of Alaskan homes have guns.

4. Wyoming. No state is immune to gun violence, but Wyoming’s fourth ranking comes in part because the population is so small—as the least populous state. Still, VPC notes that 62.8 percent of homes have guns. That proximity to guns resulted in the second-highest gun suicide rate; only nearby Montana has a higher gun suicide rate. Otherwise, violent crime is well below the national average, 247wallstreet.com found. “There were just 219.3 violent crimes per 100,000 residents in 2011,” it said, compared to 386 nationwide.

5. Montana. Crime statistics tell much the same story as its neighbor, Wyoming. Montana has one of the lowest murder rates in the country, but it has the country’s highest suicide rate. As a rural western state, it’s not surprising that 61.4 percent of homes have guns, VPC reported. “Montana’s high suicide rate may be due in part to extremely low population density,” 247wallst.com said. “According to the American Psychological Association, suicide rates tend to be higher in rural areas for a variety of factors, including ‘greater access to firearms, high rates of drug and alcohol use, and few health-care providers and emergency medical facilities.'”

And The Safest Gun Violence States?

The states that had the lowest levels of gun-related killings were in the Northeast and Midwest. According to VPC’s analysis (https://www.vpc.org/fadeathchart14.htm) [5], the 10 safest states were: Rhode Island, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin. But even those states had unacceptable levels of gun violence, VPC said, noting that the United States was far more violent than most Western industrialized nations.

“The nationwide gun death rate was 10.38 per 100,000. The total number of Americans killed by gunfire rose to 32,351 in 2011 from 31,672 in 2010,” it found (https://www.vpc.org/press/1406gundeath.htm) [3].

“America’s gun death rates—both nationwide and in the states—dwarf those of most other Western industrialized nations. The gun death rate in the United Kingdom in 2011 was 0.23 per 100,000 while in Australia it was 0.86 per 100,000.”

Put another way, Australia, founded (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-470887/The-founding-fathers-Australia-The-story-convicts-shipped-New-World.html) [6] by exiled British criminals, had 1/12th the level of gun violence of the U.S. The U.K had 1/45th the level of American gun violence.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/10-states-where-guns-are-most-likely-and-least-likely-kill-people?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

[TeyshaBlue]

Oh look! More shit "analysis" from the resident nutbar.
2/3 of the "data" are suicides.
From the comment section of alternet :lol that boutons never reads:
There are intelligent ways to examine these data, but regurgitating VPC "analysis" is not one of them. It is intellectually dishonest to its core. Allow me to explain.

Suicides deserve their own analysis. There is very little to conclude here other than people who are determined to die will generally choose an effective way to die. Furthermore, we can see that the suicide rate in the US is not notably high. Japan comes in much higher than we do, and guns are all but outlawed there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

Including suicides in this analysis serves only to distract and obfuscate readers into believing that guns pose a greater risk than they do. If the VPC were to repeat this analysis without suicides we will have something to discuss. Don't hold your breath for that, because it will not be able to produce the sort of alarming numbers that they are after.

[boutons_deux]

Riddle me this, my dear Stalker: How mnay fewer suicides would there be if USA were not $aturated with gun$?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Riddle me this, my dear Stalker: How mnay fewer suicides would there be if USA were not $aturated with gun$?I'd guess the number would be much lower if the USA wasn't saturated with over-medicated people.

[TeyshaBlue]

Riddle me this, my dear Stalker: How mnay fewer suicides would there be if USA were not $aturated with gun$?
Stalker. :lol. Stalking takes effort. This is recreational bitch-slapping.
As for the question, that's one that VPC :lol should have asked before cutting loose this vapid "analysis".

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If the pro gun lobby wants to keep looking to Chicago or whatever urban squalor for their side, I think it only fair that you look to the states seeing that is where the delineation of lawmaking is predominantly.

You guys aren't even arguing on merit although in general I agree with your reservations about his sources, TB.

[TeyshaBlue]

The debate is a worthy one that needs to be had. However, it's certainly worthy of quality data. A spit take from VPC serves the discussion poorly.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh I agree. I have spent some time trying to convince him that if he stopped using shitty sources and tried to appeal to intellect that he might actually compel some minds.

He of course has no interest in that. This place seems to be some form of mental masturbation for him.

[boutons_deux]

Only two show as open carry demonstration in Virgina shoots blanks on 4th of July
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/carytown_screencap.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/06/only-2-show-as-open-carry-demonstration-in-virgina-shoots-blanks-on-4th-of-july/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[CosmicCowboy]

Good. Just shows that 99.99999% of responsible gun owners don't support these open carry attention whores.

[Winehole23]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5OQoUjF-nLU/U7fPOcEcSUI/AAAAAAAAK-Y/uk93v8plGGc/w640-h400-p-k/open%2Bcarry%2Bbanjo.jpg

[boutons_deux]

the open carry lobby is about an assertion of power: With the backing of their firearms, they will either change how you think and behave by conditioning or by fear, but in either circumstance the attempt is to manage the surrounding population in some way or another.

This is precisely the sort of response you would expect from a culture that lives on the fear-mongering techniques of right-wing media;

after all, one response to living in a state of perpetual fear of persecution or attack is to claim the mantle of fearsomeness for oneself.

But this is a self-perpetuating cycle of fear and the infliction of fear, and the prize at stake is control.

With luck these theatrical demonstrations of power will die down, but each motion of the state to contain them is interpreted as persecution, fueling the spiral.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/gun-nuts-sick-power-trip-whats-really-behind-open-carry-crusade?akid=11996.187590.6R_t0t&rd=1&src=newsletter1010027&t=9&paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

[boutons_deux]

Maryland man killed while testing bulletproof vest


A Maryland man faced murder charges on Friday after accidentally shooting his friend while testing out a bulletproof vest, a shooting reportedly recorded on a video camera.

Baltimore police arrested Mark Ramiro, 30, after he fatally shot Darnell Mitchell, 28, late on Wednesday.

The Baltimore Sun reported on Friday the shooting was recorded on a video camera by a third person.

In that video, Mitchell brags that he is about to take a “deuce deuce in the chest” - a shot from a .22-caliber bullet - before Ramiro, who is seen standing in front of Mitchell, fired the handgun once. He struck Mitchell just above the vest, the newspaper said.

Police would not comment on specific evidence.

Ramiro drove Mitchell to a hospital where he was pronounced dead, according to police. Ramiro is being held on homicide charges and weapons violations.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/18/us-usa-maryland-shooting-idUSKBN0FN2CR20140718?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

guns make you as stupid as religion does :lol

[boutons_deux]

U.S. Congress staffer arrested on weapons charge


A staff member for a Pennsylvania congressman was arrested on Friday after he tried to carry a handgun and magazine into a House of Representatives office building, U.S. Capitol Police said.

Ryan Shucard, press spokesman for Republican Representative Tom Marino, was arrested about 9:15 a.m. (1315 GMT) as he tried to enter the Cannon House Office Building.

A metal detector :lol :lol :lol showed he had a 9mm Smith & Wesson pistol and a magazine, police said in a statement.

He was arrested and charged with carrying a pistol without a license, a felony.

Marino's office said Shucard had been put on unpaid leave.

Shucard's LinkedIn profile showed he had been Marino's press spokesman since May. He also is a lecturer and adviser at the Washington Media Institute.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/18/us-usa-guns-congress-idUSKBN0FN2CT20140718?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

guns make you as stupid as religion does :lol

[cantthinkofanything]

http://media.tumblr.com/6497ae4209dc432ec664fcccd0b57335/tumblr_inline_mif2dsTrYZ1qz4rgp.gif

[TheSanityAnnex]

You Lie, asshhole

I don't dance on anybody's grave




Maryland man killed while testing bulletproof vest


A Maryland man faced murder charges on Friday after accidentally shooting his friend while testing out a bulletproof vest, a shooting reportedly recorded on a video camera.

Baltimore police arrested Mark Ramiro, 30, after he fatally shot Darnell Mitchell, 28, late on Wednesday.

The Baltimore Sun reported on Friday the shooting was recorded on a video camera by a third person.

In that video, Mitchell brags that he is about to take a “deuce deuce in the chest” - a shot from a .22-caliber bullet - before Ramiro, who is seen standing in front of Mitchell, fired the handgun once. He struck Mitchell just above the vest, the newspaper said.

Police would not comment on specific evidence.

Ramiro drove Mitchell to a hospital where he was pronounced dead, according to police. Ramiro is being held on homicide charges and weapons violations.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/18/us-usa-maryland-shooting-idUSKBN0FN2CR20140718?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

guns make you as stupid as religion does :lol




No, you lie, asshole.

[boutons_deux]

NRA Raises Specter Of The Holocaust To Fearmonger About Confiscation Of Firearms

A new video commentary released by the NRA references the Holocaust and other instances of persecution to advance the baseless claim that "the government is collecting more and more gun registration data which could be used against gun owners in the form of full confiscation."

The July 18 commentary (http://www.nranews.com/commentators/video/commentators-episode-77-government-intrusion-with-chris-cheng/list/nra-news-commentator-episodes) was published by NRA News and is part of the gun group's recent efforts to reach ayounger (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/05/16/how-the-nra-is-repackaging-its-angry-paranoid-m/199356), more diverse (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/27/nra-new-commentators_n_2965934.html) audience. In the video NRA News commentator Chris Cheng sets up his claim about government-sanctioned gun confiscation by citing recent reports of the persecution (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/) of Jewish people in Eastern Ukraine, as well as "what happened to our Jewish friends during World War II":


CHRIS CHENG: Masked men in Eastern Ukraine recently handed out fliers in front of a synagogue which told Jews to register with pro-Russian militants. I don't even need to go into detail about world history and what happened to our Jewish friends during World War II. So here's why government registration of a protected right is a bad thing.


He then listed laws that protect individuals from being discriminated on the basis of "religion, race, gender, pregnancy, age, and sexual orientation," before suggesting, "Perhaps we should include gun ownership as a protected class. That way the government could not discriminate against us by passing laws which restrict our Second Amendment rights."

According to Cheng, a "protected class" for gun owners is necessary because "the government is collecting more and more gun registration data which could be used against gun owners in the form of full confiscation." However federal law prohibits the creation (http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/nra-misfires-on-federal-gun-registry/) of a national gun registry. In fact, background check legislation in the U.S. Senate that the NRA played an instrumental role in defeating would have strengthened the penalty (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/11/national-gun-registry_n_3060625.html)for the creation of a gun registry. According to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence (http://smartgunlaws.org/registration-of-firearms-policy-summary/), "Six states and the District of Columbia require registration of some or all firearms."

In recent months NRA News commentators have played semantic games (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/02/nra-slams-media-trick-of-using-the-word-shootin/199534) to attack the media (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/30/nra-demands-media-stop-calling-santa-barbara-sh/199934) for covering mass shootings and made claims that laws regulating firearm ownership (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/08/nra-gun-regulations-are-equally-as-unconstituti/200022) are "equally as unconstitutional" as Jim Crow laws.

The NRA frequently uses the Holocaust (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/12/17/another-nra-official-criticized-for-trivializin/197312) to fearmonger about gun rights, and has on three (http://www.adl.org/press-center/press-releases/holocaust-nazis/adl-outraged-at-nra-member-comments-on-jersey-city-mayor-and-holocaust.html) recent (http://blog.adl.org/civil-rights/holocaust-gun-control-debate) occasions (http://blog.adl.org/civil-rights/nugent-weinstein-nra-gun-holocaust-analogies)been rebuked by civil rights group Anti-Defamation League for misappropriating the history of the Holocaust.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/18/nra-raises-specter-of-the-holocaust-to-fearmong/200145

As Obama said, "bitter rednecks cling to their Bible and religion" :lol

[boutons_deux]

According to a new interactive report from Everytown for Gun Safety, Americans have experienced about two mass shootings (involving four or more deaths) each month since January 2009.

The report, which relies on FBI data and media reports from the last four years, exposes alarming trends in US gun violence. Here are some of the most striking statistics:



42% of mass shooters possessed their guns illegally because they were felons, domestic abusers, or were otherwise prohibited under federal law from having guns.
51% of mass shooting victims are women, while the shooters are nearly exclusively male.
57% of mass shootings are related to domestic violence, meaning the shooter killed a current or former partner or family member.


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/horrifying-banality-mass-shootings-america-3-shocking-facts-about-gun-violence?akid=12033.187590.J757pW&rd=1&src=newsletter1011892&t=14

[cantthinkofanything]

According to a new interactive report from Everytown for Gun Safety, Americans have experienced about two mass shootings (involving four or more deaths) each month since January 2009.

The report, which relies on FBI data and media reports from the last four years, exposes alarming trends in US gun violence. Here are some of the most striking statistics:



42% of mass shooters possessed their guns illegally because they were felons, domestic abusers, or were otherwise prohibited under federal law from having guns.
51% of mass shooting victims are women, while the shooters are nearly exclusively male.
57% of mass shootings are related to domestic violence, meaning the shooter killed a current or former partner or family member.


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/horrifying-banality-mass-shootings-america-3-shocking-facts-about-gun-violence?akid=12033.187590.J757pW&rd=1&src=newsletter1011892&t=14




So people should not have the right to protect their homes?

[pgardn]

Stalker. :lol. Stalking takes effort. This is recreational bitch-slapping.
As for the question, that's one that VPC :lol should have asked before cutting loose this vapid "analysis".

I ask for permission to use this.

[TheSanityAnnex]

According to a new interactive report from Everytown for Gun Safety, Americans have experienced about two mass shootings (involving four or more deaths) each month since January 2009.

The report, which relies on FBI data and media reports from the last four years, exposes alarming trends in US gun violence. Here are some of the most striking statistics:



42% of mass shooters possessed their guns illegally because they were felons, domestic abusers, or were otherwise prohibited under federal law from having guns.
51% of mass shooting victims are women, while the shooters are nearly exclusively male.
57% of mass shootings are related to domestic violence, meaning the shooter killed a current or former partner or family member.


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/horrifying-banality-mass-shootings-america-3-shocking-facts-about-gun-violence?akid=12033.187590.J757pW&rd=1&src=newsletter1011892&t=14




Every town for gun safety----The collaboration of Bloomberg's failed Mayors Against Illegal guns and Moms Demand Action. Have you gone to their website? They sure do claim a lot of analysis but not one, single, source :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

According to a new interactive report from Everytown for Gun Safety, Americans have experienced about two mass shootings (involving four or more deaths) each month since January 2009.

The report, which relies on FBI data and media reports from the last four years, exposes alarming trends in US gun violence. Here are some of the most striking statistics:



42% of mass shooters possessed their guns illegally because they were felons, domestic abusers, or were otherwise prohibited under federal law from having guns.
51% of mass shooting victims are women, while the shooters are nearly exclusively male.
57% of mass shootings are related to domestic violence, meaning the shooter killed a current or former partner or family member.


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/horrifying-banality-mass-shootings-america-3-shocking-facts-about-gun-violence?akid=12033.187590.J757pW&rd=1&src=newsletter1011892&t=14




http://www.politifact.com/personalities/everytown-gun-safety/

[TheSanityAnnex]

According to a new interactive report from Everytown for Gun Safety, Americans have experienced about two mass shootings (involving four or more deaths) each month since January 2009.

The report, which relies on FBI data and media reports from the last four years, exposes alarming trends in US gun violence. Here are some of the most striking statistics:



42% of mass shooters possessed their guns illegally because they were felons, domestic abusers, or were otherwise prohibited under federal law from having guns.
51% of mass shooting victims are women, while the shooters are nearly exclusively male.
57% of mass shootings are related to domestic violence, meaning the shooter killed a current or former partner or family member.


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/horrifying-banality-mass-shootings-america-3-shocking-facts-about-gun-violence?akid=12033.187590.J757pW&rd=1&src=newsletter1011892&t=14




http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/146537-everytown-map-74-school-shootings-since-newtown-goes-viral-33-questionable-entries/

[TheSanityAnnex]

According to a new interactive report from Everytown for Gun Safety, Americans have experienced about two mass shootings (involving four or more deaths) each month since January 2009.

The report, which relies on FBI data and media reports from the last four years, exposes alarming trends in US gun violence. Here are some of the most striking statistics:



42% of mass shooters possessed their guns illegally because they were felons, domestic abusers, or were otherwise prohibited under federal law from having guns.
51% of mass shooting victims are women, while the shooters are nearly exclusively male.
57% of mass shootings are related to domestic violence, meaning the shooter killed a current or former partner or family member.


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/horrifying-banality-mass-shootings-america-3-shocking-facts-about-gun-violence?akid=12033.187590.J757pW&rd=1&src=newsletter1011892&t=14




http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/everytown-gun-safety-using-new-social-media-site-lobby-representatives

[TheSanityAnnex]

According to a new interactive report from Everytown for Gun Safety, Americans have experienced about two mass shootings (involving four or more deaths) each month since January 2009.

The report, which relies on FBI data and media reports from the last four years, exposes alarming trends in US gun violence. Here are some of the most striking statistics:



42% of mass shooters possessed their guns illegally because they were felons, domestic abusers, or were otherwise prohibited under federal law from having guns.
51% of mass shooting victims are women, while the shooters are nearly exclusively male.
57% of mass shootings are related to domestic violence, meaning the shooter killed a current or former partner or family member.


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/horrifying-banality-mass-shootings-america-3-shocking-facts-about-gun-violence?akid=12033.187590.J757pW&rd=1&src=newsletter1011892&t=14




Even CNN got in on the recreational bitch-slapping of Everytown for gun safety.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/11/us/school-shootings-cnn-number/index.html

[boutons_deux]

New study: In 14 states, gun deaths exceeded motor vehicle deaths (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/15/1314190/-New-study-In-14-states-gun-deaths-exceeded-motor-vehicle-deaths)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/94541/large/Screen_Shot_2014-07-15_at_12.26.24_PM.png?1405452426

Gun fetishists like to argue that cars kill more people than do guns, and therefore there should be calls to ban cars, just as there are calls to ban guns. It's a patently stupid argument given that so many more people use cars than guns, and even more stupid given that cars are heavily regulated, and that those who drive them even have to be licensed. But in over a quarter of the states, even the most basic point of this patently stupid argument is itself not true (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2014/07/gun_deaths_outnumbered_motor-v.html):


Oregon was one of 14 states where gun deaths outpaced motor vehicle deaths in 2011, according to a study by the Violence Policy Center.Data was compiled from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Injury Prevention and Control.


The data is the most recent available, and this marks the third year the Violence Policy Center has released such a comparison.


The 13 other states where gun deaths exceeded motor vehicle deaths in 2011 were: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Nevada, Ohio, Utah, Vermont, Virginia and Washington state, as well as the District of Columbia.

North, South, East, and West. Urban and rural. Red, blue, and purple. The only common denominator is guns.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/15/1314190/-New-study-In-14-states-gun-deaths-exceeded-motor-vehicle-deaths?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29#

[Wild Cobra]

Oregon was one of 14 states where gun deaths outpaced motor vehicle deaths in 2011, according to a study by the Violence Policy Center.
Probably true.

It would be nice if the Portland police stopped killing innocent people.

[cantthinkofanything]

Probably true.

It would be nice if the Portland police stopped killing innocent people.

Do that thing where you turn the argument around by comparing guns and cars. That was cool.

[boutons_deux]

NRA board member:

Ted Nugent lashes out at ‘unclean vermin’ after Idaho Native American tribe cancels his concert

Conservative rocker Ted Nugent on Tuesday responded to the news that an Idaho Native American tribe had canceled one of his upcoming concerts by lashing out at the “unclean vermin” who made it happen.

“The Motor City Madman” had been schedule to perform for Couer D’Alene Casino in Worley, Idaho on Aug. 4 until the Southern Poverty Law Center caught tribal officials by asking for a comment (http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/07/21/idaho-indian-tribe-drops-ted-nugent-citing-rockers-racist-legacy/#.U83FJtd2f6Y.facebook) on Monday. Later that day, the performance had been canceled (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/22/tribe-cancels-ted-nugent-casino-concert-over-rockers-racist-comments/).

“I take it as a badge of honor that such unclean vermin are upset by me and my positive energy,” Nugent told Gannett Wisconsin Media (http://www.postcrescent.com/story/entertainment/music/2014/07/22/ted-nugent-fires-back-vermin-want-oshkosh-show-canceled/13010455/) on Tuesday. Put your heart and soul into everything you do and nobody can stop you. Sometimes you give the world the best you got and you get kicked in the teeth. Give the world the best you got anyway.”

“By all indicators, I don’t think they actually qualify as people, but there has always been a lunatic fringe of hateful, rotten, dishonest people that hate happy, successful people,” he continued. “I believe raising hell and demanding accountability from our elected employees is Job One for every American. I am simply doing my job.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/23/ted-nugent-lashes-out-at-unclean-vermin-after-idaho-native-american-tribe-cancels-his-concert/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[TeyshaBlue]

I ask for permission to use this.

Enjoy.:lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Do that thing where you turn the argument around by comparing guns and cars. That was cool.:lol

[boutons_deux]

NRA’s ‘Everyone Gets A Gun’ plan: Kids must pass shooting tests to advance in school

NRA commentator Billy Johnson this week proposed that children be forced to learn shooting skills in order to graduate as part of a plan to enact “gun-required zones” in the United States, and use taxpayer money to subsidize firearm purchases.

In a video (http://youtu.be/VDZJfuZWNJc) title “Everyone Gets A Gun” that was released on Monday, Johnson complains that U.S. gun policy was focused on limiting access to firearms.

“As a country we have an education policy. Imagine if that policy was about limiting who has access to public education,” he argued. “I mean, let’s be honest, the danger in educating people to think is that they might actually start to think for themselves. Perhaps we should think seriously about who we give access to knowledge. They could use it to do a lot of damage.”

“We don’t have a U.S. gun policy. We have a U.S. anti-gun policy,” the NRA commentator continued. “Gun policy driven by people’s need for guns would seek to encourage people to keep and bear arms at all times. Maybe it would even reward those who do so. What if instead of gun free-zones we had gun-required zones?”

In order to make his plan work, Johnson said that children would need to be introduced to firearms at a young age.

“Just like we teach them reading and writing, necessary skills. We would teach shooting and firearm competency,” he explained. “It wouldn’t matter if a child’s parents weren’t good at it. We’d find them a mentor. It wouldn’t matter if they didn’t want to learn. We would make it necessary to advance to the next grade.”

Johnson also suggested that the government would have to “subsidize” the purchase of guns like it did with food, education, and health care.

“I mean, perhaps we would have government ranges where you could shoot for free or a yearly allotment of free ammunition,” he said. “Gun policy, driven by our need for guns would protect equal access to guns, just like we protect equal access to voting, and due process, and free speech.”

Johnson concluded by lamenting that even Second Amendment advocates “can’t fathom a world where we would treat guns as a need.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/23/nras-everyone-gets-a-gun-plan-kids-must-pass-shooting-tests-to-advance-in-school/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

:lol "It's a job", right, Johnson?

[boutons_deux]

just more fun from the "guns solve EVERYTHING" crowd

Minnesota man guns down teen girl after she asks him to stop riding lawnmower in her yard

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/24/minnesota-man-guns-down-teen-girl-after-she-asks-him-to-stop-riding-lawnmower-in-her-yard/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

California 80-year-old satisfied after gunning down fleeing pregnant home intruder

An 80-year-old Long Beach man could be facing charges after admitting he shot a home intruder twice in the back, killing her, as she ran away and despite the fact that she told him she was pregnant.

Tom Greer returned to his home Tuesday to find it being ransacked by a man and a woman.

“I walked in on them,” Greer told KNBC (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Long-Beach-Homeowner-Shoots-Kills-Intruder--268364152.html). “And they jumped on me in the hallway.”

Greer said that he was tackled and thrown to the ground but managed to get his .22-caliber revolver and confronted them as they ransacked a safe containing cash.

Seeing the gun, the couple ran out of the house and started down an alley.

“The lady, she couldn’t run as fast as the man, so I shot her in the back twice,” Greer explained. “She’s dead, but he got away.”

“She says, ‘Don’t shoot me, I’m pregnant! I’m going to have a baby!’ And I shot her anyway,” Greer said.

he did shoot a person who was trying to get away, so he wasn’t in imminent danger himself, and the law says you can’t shoot somebody under those circumstances.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/24/california-80-year-old-satisfied-after-gunning-down-fleeing-pregnant-home-intruder/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

In Texas, he'd be acquitted, which we've seen already with a guy killing an intruder running away in his yard or driveway.

[tlongII]

I got no problem with that. Don't steal and you won't get shot.

[TheSanityAnnex]

California 80-year-old satisfied after gunning down fleeing pregnant home intruder

An 80-year-old Long Beach man could be facing charges after admitting he shot a home intruder twice in the back, killing her, as she ran away and despite the fact that she told him she was pregnant.

Tom Greer returned to his home Tuesday to find it being ransacked by a man and a woman.

“I walked in on them,” Greer told KNBC (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Long-Beach-Homeowner-Shoots-Kills-Intruder--268364152.html). “And they jumped on me in the hallway.”

Greer said that he was tackled and thrown to the ground but managed to get his .22-caliber revolver and confronted them as they ransacked a safe containing cash.

Seeing the gun, the couple ran out of the house and started down an alley.

“The lady, she couldn’t run as fast as the man, so I shot her in the back twice,” Greer explained. “She’s dead, but he got away.”

“She says, ‘Don’t shoot me, I’m pregnant! I’m going to have a baby!’ And I shot her anyway,” Greer said.

he did shoot a person who was trying to get away, so he wasn’t in imminent danger himself, and the law says you can’t shoot somebody under those circumstances.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/24/california-80-year-old-satisfied-after-gunning-down-fleeing-pregnant-home-intruder/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

In Texas, he'd be acquitted, which we've seen already with a guy killing an intruder running away in his yard or driveway.



You sympathize with felons? You are truly a work of shit. Fuck her for robbing a house while pregnant stupid fucking ****. Fuck her. Good shoot grandpa wish you would have gotten both of those low life shits.

[boutons_deux]

You sympathize with felons?

you said that, I didn't

old fart broke the law, in CA, he's probably convicted.

Did he have to murder her? his only option? no.

Did he enjoy murdering her? apparently, yes.

[Blizzardwizard]

just more fun from the "guns solve EVERYTHING" crowd

Minnesota man guns down teen girl after she asks him to stop riding lawnmower in her yard

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/24/minnesota-man-guns-down-teen-girl-after-she-asks-him-to-stop-riding-lawnmower-in-her-yard/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29


Wtf. This actually happened? :lol

[boutons_deux]

Pregnant FL woman dies after being shot in head by friend showing off his gun collection

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/27/pregnant-fl-woman-dies-after-being-shot-in-head-by-friend-showing-off-his-gun-collection/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Boutons' Federal Gun Laws would put the gun owner in jail 20 years w/o parole. As they say in France, "pour encourager les autres"

It's fucking Repug FL, so he'll probably get off with an "oops, sorry" and probation for a couple months, maybe some SYG reference. His lawyer will "blame the victim", will say the woman was a slut, or say if she didn't want to get shot, she shoulda dodged the bullet, etc, etc, as the legal profession goes.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Pregnant FL woman dies after being shot in head by friend showing off his gun collection

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/27/pregnant-fl-woman-dies-after-being-shot-in-head-by-friend-showing-off-his-gun-collection/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Boutons' Federal Gun Laws would put the gun owner in jail 20 years w/o parole. As they say in France, "pour encourager les autres"

It's fucking Repug FL, so he'll probably get off with an "oops, sorry" and probation for a couple months, maybe some SYG reference. His lawyer will "blame the victim", will say the woman was a slut, or say if she didn't want to get shot, she shoulda dodged the bullet, etc, etc, as the legal profession goes.

The dipshit should face stiff penalties indeed. Does the botouns system also punish drunk driver killers as harsh? Their crime is much worse and they are much more frequent. Why no outrage?

[Wild Cobra]

The dipshit should face stiff penalties indeed. Does the botouns system also punish drunk driver killers as harsh? Their crime is much worse and they are much more frequent. Why no outrage?
Yep.

Accidental death by car should be treated as harshly as accidental death by gun.

[boutons_deux]

note most states start at "zero" jail time:

http://www.madd.org/laws/law-overview/Vehicular_Homicide_Overview.pdf

Compare with mandatory decades of jail for simple crack possession/use while black or brown. Thanks, Mr and Mrs St Ronnie!

I think up until the 1970s, drunk vehicular homicide it TX nearly always avoided any jail time, kind of a "Don't Mess With ... all us good ol' boys, politicians who drive drunk frequently".

and of course USA's ridiculously lenient, BigAlcohol-protected 0.8 mg/ml is a huge part of the the drunk driving homicide.

[Winehole23]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/28/watch-texas-open-carry-advocates-fume-after-skanky-topless-libtards-disrupt-pro-gun-rally/

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://thehill.com/regulation/other/213447-court-overturns-dc-handgun-law (http://thehill.com/regulation/other/213447-court-overturns-dc-handgun-law)


:cry boutons :cry


Court overturns DC handgun law

A federal judge has overturned a Washington, D.C., law preventing people from carrying handguns in public.
Judge Frederick Scullin concluded that current prohibitions are an unconstitutional violation of the Second Amendment right to bear arms, in a win for gun rights advocates.


Based on previous court rulings striking down gun laws in D.C., Chicago and elsewhere, “there is no longer any basis on which this Court can conclude that the District of Columbia’s total ban on the public carrying of ready-to-use handguns outside the home is constitutional under any level of scrutiny,” Scullin wrote in his 19-page decision (https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2009cv1482-51), which was unsealed on Saturday. “Therefore, the Court finds that the District of Columbia’s complete ban on the carrying of handguns in public is unconstitutional.”
The case against D.C., which is the only jurisdiction to ban people from carrying handguns in public, was brought by several people who tried to obtain permits for carrying a weapon but were denied.
Scullin’s ruling in Palmer v. District of Columbia will prevent police from enforcing the law, at least for the time being.
“Congratulations Americans, your capital is not a constitution-free zone,” Second Amendment Foundation lawyer Alan Gura, who argued the case, wrote in a blog post (http://alangura.com/2014/07/victory-in-palmer-v-d-c/).
The ruling comes six years after the Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision overruling D.C.’s total prohibition on owning a handgun, which the high court determined violated the Second Amendment. That decision determined that the Constitution allowed all people, not just society in general, to own a gun.

[Winehole23]

historical sidebar: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/robert-dowlut-nra-murder-mystery

[boutons_deux]

historical sidebar: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/robert-dowlut-nra-murder-mystery

Another murderer, who hijacked the NRA to be today's fucked-up proxy and marketing arm of the guns-and-ammo industry.

http://www.meetthenra.org/nra-member/harlon-carter

[spurraider21]

i could be wrong, but aren't most gun-related crimes carried out by illegally obtained firearms?

[TheSanityAnnex]

i could be wrong, but aren't most gun-related crimes carried out by illegally obtained firearms?

You would be correct.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

Sleep well knowing that more laws/money are being thrown at restricting magazine capacity and banning collapsible stocks than actually trying to recover the stolen guns.

[boutons_deux]

Texas Firearms Instructor Accidentally Shoots His Own Hand During Lesson

A firearms instructor for the Hewitt, Texas Police Department was recently injured after he reportedly shot himself in the hand while teaching family members how to handle a gun.

The Waco Tribune-Herald newspaper (http://www.wacotrib.com/news/greater_waco/hewitt/hewitt-police-firearms-instructor-shoots-himself-in-hand/article_0e006e9d-ee5b-54d2-a31b-5da593534f78.html) reported on Friday that Sgt. Heath Vanek would miss at least two months of work because of the injury.

Vanek reportedly hurt himself on July 15 on his family's property as he was teaching family members :lol how to clear the chamber of a semi-automatic pistol if it jams.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/texas-firearms-instructor-shooting?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

Conscientious ... but but but we're all human! :lol

2 months off work? paid vacation! :lol

[boutons_deux]

‘My Parents Open Carry’ kid’s book portrays day in the life of ‘typical’ gun nut family

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/my-parents-open-carry.jpg


The co-founders of Michigan Open Carry (http://www.michiganopencarry.org/) have published a children’s book (http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/) extolling the virtues of having fun while openly brandishing loaded firearms.

My Parents Open Carry tells the story of “13-year-old Brenna Strong along with her mom, Bea, and her dad, Richard [spending] a typical Saturday running errands and having fun together,” according to the book’s official site. However, “[w]hat’s not so typical is that Brenna’s parents lawfully open carry handguns for self-defense.”

The book’s authors, Brian Jeffs and Nathan Nephew, claim that they were inspired to write the book because they “looked for pro-gun children’s books and couldn’t find any. Our goal was to provide a wholesome family book that reflects the views of the majority of the American people, i.e., that self-defense is a basic natural right and that firearms provide the most efficient means for that defense.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/02/my-parents-open-carry-kids-book-portrays-day-in-the-life-of-typical-gun-nut-family/

[boutons_deux]

Gun Activist Compares Firearm Registration To Nazi Tattooing Of Jews

After a National Rifle Association lobbyist equated a proposal to expand background checks to the Nazi policies of Adolf Hitler, a prominent guns rights activist defended the offensive comparison and took it further, comparing gun registration to the Nazi practice of tattooing Jews with identification numbers.

The NRA is under fire (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/30/how-the-national-rifle-association-misappropria/200253) after its Washington state lobbyist Brian Judy was heard telling opponents of the state's background check proposal that one of the proposal's primary supporters, who is Jewish, is "stupid" because "he's put half-a-million dollars toward this policy, the same policy that led to his family getting run out of Germany by the Nazis." Judy went on to mock the intelligence of Jewish individuals who support gun safety.

Now Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and the chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA), is coming to Judy's defense.
Gottlieb reacted (http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2014/08/01/36244/kiro7-news-20140729-gottlieb1) to Judy's comments on Seattle's CBS affiliate, saying "I don't see anything wrong with those remarks," before comparing the "registration" of Jews with number tattoos during the Holocaust to firearm registration:

ESSEX PORTER, KIRO 7: You're Jewish, are those remarks appropriate?

GOTTLIEB: I don't see anything wrong with those remarks. I mean it's a historical fact that Adolf Hitler registered people's firearms and then confiscated them.

PORTER: Gottlieb says many gun owners see it this way.

GOTTLIEB: Gun owners don't like the idea that Jewish people had to have, you know, numbers tattooed and registered on their arms. They don't like the fact that they have gun owners that get registered either.


To be clear, the background check initiative in Washington state does not include the registration (http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/) of firearms, and civil rights organization Anti-Defamation League has repeatedly explained (http://blog.adl.org/civil-rights/holocaust-gun-control-debate) that there is no valid comparison between gun safety proposals and the Holocaust.

While lacking the national profile of the NRA's Wayne LaPierre -- other than when he proposed (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/16/gun-rights-group-moves-guns-save-lives-day-from/196453) holding a "Guns Save Lives Day" on the one-year Newtown anniversary -- Gottlieb has been involved in the gun rights movement for decades.

CCRKBA played a role in the U.S. Senate fight (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/07/how-the-gun-rights-community-quashes-any-public/196790) over background checks in 2013 and SAF is prolific (http://saf.org/?p=3682) in its Second Amendment litigation.

As Alex Seitz-Wald, then a reporter for Salon, noted in an article debunking common claims (http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/) from the NRA (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/30/how-the-national-rifle-association-misappropria/200253) and conservative media (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/14/the-return-of-right-wing-pro-gun-insurrectionis/192216) about Hitler and guns, "the notion that Hitler confiscated everyone's guns is mostly bogus.

And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn't make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/08/01/gun-activist-compares-firearm-registration-to-n/200290

You gun fellators are among some really, really nasty, stinkin, lying, extremist assholes. Those assholes know exactly how to grovel before the gun/ammo mfrs, and how to pander their shit and lies to You People.

And all you gun fellators who think you're armed enough if/when the revenooers and G-men come fer ya, yew got another think comin.

[boutons_deux]

Right wing discourse on guns is being completely shaped by the gun industry’s desire to sell more guns

I’ve noticed a dramatic uptick in gun nuts talking about how people need to learn to be “comfortable” around guns, which has, in turn, led to this whole “open carry” bullshit, which uses the line that it’s good to be “comfortable” around guns as its justification. (However, the emotional motive behind swinging a gun around in public is still the desire to dominate and terrify, but we’re all familiar with the glib ease with lying that is widespread on the American right.) There’s even a children’s book pushing the idea that it’s wholesome family fun (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/02/my-parents-open-carry-kids-book-portrays-day-in-the-life-of-typical-gun-nut-family/) to “open carry”. When I was young and growing up in gun-loving Texas around gun-loving people, the notion that you should just be tossing guns around and displaying them everywhere like some yahoo—the idea that guns are safe and we should feel “comfortable” around them—was strongly discouraged. Guns were locked away and we were told that they are very dangerous. But while that’s surely a smarter move if you want to minimize accidental shooting, the correct belief that guns are dangerous had to go because it’s clearly stifling gun profits. There’s still a little bit of talk about gun safety on the right, but it’s just a little ass-covering. The emotional pitch now is that guns are safe and they should be everywhere all the time until you forget how fucking dangerous they really are.

This is all corporate marketing 101. No doubt the very real fear that guns are dangerous—backed by statistical evidence showing (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/) that having one in your house raises your chances of being murdered or assaulted by gun, being shot by accident, and committing suicide—is a huge barrier to selling more guns. So just like the ads in the 50s that tried to calm consumer fears of cancer by showing doctors smoking, there’s a push to signal that guns are not dangerous. You should just have them laying around all the time. You should strap them to your body! Guns should just be so familiar you completely forget that they can blow your head off if you handle them incorrectly. They’re so safe we should have kids firing them to pass on to the next grade (http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/07/23/_everyone_gets_a_gun_nra_news_commentator_billy_jo hnson_wants_gun_required.html)! They’re just like very expensive action figures and you should collect them all!

The shift from concealed carry to open carry as a focal point is also indicative of how much the discourse on guns on the right is being shaped by the gun industry’s desire to sell more guns. Anyone who knows anything about markets knows that conspicuous consumption is a huge driver of profits, and that convincing people that owning your product will say something about them as a person is a really good way to sell widgets.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/06/right-wing-discourse-on-guns-is-being-completely-shaped-by-the-gun-industrys-desire-to-sell-more-guns/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

2nd Amendment! :lol

marans! :lol

home defense! :lol

water the tree! :lol

dickless gun fellators! :lol

NRA and its suckers are are nothing but a marketing/sales dept for the guns/ammo industry.

[boutons_deux]

Tulsa cop kicks out daughter over bad ‘life decisions,’ then guns down her boyfriendhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/1227818_20140806003_f-2-615x345.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/06/tulsa-cop-kicks-out-daughter-over-bad-life-decisions-then-guns-down-her-boyfriend/

guns solve EVERY PROBLEM!

[boutons_deux]

NRA: Gun Regulations Are "Equally As Unconstitutional" As Jim Crow Laws

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2014/07/08/jimcrow.jpg


A new commentary from the National Rifle Association claims that laws relating to the buying, owning, and carrying of firearms are "equally as unconstitutional" as Jim Crow laws that created legal racial discrimination in the United States.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/08/nra-gun-regulations-are-equally-as-unconstituti/200022

and you gun fellators, many of whom are white supremacists/racists yearn passionately for return to Jim Crow, fall for the NRA bullshit EVERY TIME. :lol

[boutons_deux]

NRA Raises Specter Of The Holocaust To Fearmonger About Confiscation Of Firearms
A new video commentary released by the NRA references the Holocaust and other instances of persecution to advance the baseless claim that "the government is collecting more and more gun registration data which could be used against gun owners in the form of full confiscation."


The July 18 commentary (http://www.nranews.com/commentators/video/commentators-episode-77-government-intrusion-with-chris-cheng/list/nra-news-commentator-episodes) was published by NRA News and is part of the gun group's recent efforts to reach ayounger (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/05/16/how-the-nra-is-repackaging-its-angry-paranoid-m/199356), more diverse (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/27/nra-new-commentators_n_2965934.html) audience. In the video NRA News commentator Chris Cheng sets up his claim about government-sanctioned gun confiscation by citing recent reports of the persecution (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/) of Jewish people in Eastern Ukraine, as well as "what happened to our Jewish friends during World War II":

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/18/nra-raises-specter-of-the-holocaust-to-fearmong/200145
gun fellators, white supremacists, consider der Juden their friends? :lol

[boutons_deux]

http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/nlpbwa4g96zgqbqkfspk.jpg

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http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/wiehkgowjnd8d0dqbkvv.jpg

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gun-control-group-kroger-ads?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[TeyshaBlue]

lol straw memes.

[boutons_deux]

didn't work out too well for the BLACK guy in Toys'r'us

[m>s]

lol straw memes.
Lol shitposting

[TeyshaBlue]

Lol shitposting

What are you going to do about, angry little nutbar?

Nothing.

:lmao

[m>s]

What are you going to do about, angry little nutbar?

Nothing.

:lmao

More shitposting, how creative

[TeyshaBlue]

What are you going to do about it, angry little nutbar?

Nothing.

:lmao

[m>s]

That's telling me

[boutons_deux]

Missouri teachers can become armed safety officers under new law

More Missouri teachers could carry concealed weapons under a measure state lawmakers approved late Wednesday that also bans local laws against open carry of guns.
The Republican-controlled state General Assembly voted to override Democratic Governor Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that included the weapons provisions.

The law allows school districts to select teachers or other employees to carry a concealed weapon or pepper spray as "school protection officers" if they pass a training program and meet other requirements.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/11/us-usa-missouri-concealed-carry-idUSKBN0H62JO20140911?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

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and....!! :lol :lol :lol
(http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/12/3567002/this-week-a-utah-teacher-injured-herself-with-accidental-gunshot-at-school/)
This Is The Second Week In A Row That An American Teacher Accidentally Shot Themselves At School (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/12/3567002/this-week-a-utah-teacher-injured-herself-with-accidental-gunshot-at-school/)


http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GunsSchool-638x422.jpg

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/12/3567002/this-week-a-utah-teacher-injured-herself-with-accidental-gunshot-at-school/

[boutons_deux]

Irate banker, tired of barking dog, shoots wrong corgi in front of horrified neighbors


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/irate-banker-tired-of-barking-dog-shoots-wrong-corgi-in-front-of-horrified-neighbors/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

Florida man kills his sister at her 40th birthday party while attempting ‘Tombstone’ gun stunt
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/florida-man-kills-sister-at-her-40th-birthday-party-while-attempting-tombstone-gun-stunt/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

:lol gun fellators! :lol

[boutons_deux]

Tennessee woman shoots boyfriend’s groin and the bullet ends up hitting her baby


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/tn-woman-shoots-her-boyfriends-groin-and-the-bullet-ends-up-hitting-her-own-baby/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

:lol gun fellators! :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

grave dancing
fucking coward

[boutons_deux]

grave dancing
fucking coward

:lol TB gun fellator! :lol

[m>s]

Fuck off kike

[boutons_deux]

grave dancing
fucking coward

TB :lol The Great Bouton's most reliable stalker (and he or she is coyly tongue-tied)

[TeyshaBlue]

[
:cry TB The Great Bouton's most reliable mocker (and he or she bitch slapped me again. :cry)

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol TB gun fellator! :lol

Fucking coward.

[boutons_deux]

NRA Warns Men: If You Let Your Wife Do Gun Control, Your Peen May Fall Off

In a very subtle message to America, the NRA’s radio show Cam & Company took the opportunity to explain that any man whose wife supports gun control — we guess it’s “gun safety” now — is just not quite a man anymore, (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/10/13/nra-radio-show-guest-says-shrill-gun-safety-lea/201130)

Cam Edwards that Moms Demand Action founder Shannon Watts must be married to some kind of wuss, because god, what a castrating bitch, amiright fellas?

Kurt Schlichter: Oh my gosh, I got to tell you something. I got to tell you something. I finally figured out who Shannon Watts of Moms Demand Action reminds me of.

Schlichter: Yeah, yeah, and her husband has got to be named Lester.

Edwards: [Laughter] That’s awful.

Schlichter: Stripped of the most basic and threshold abilities of a man; that is to defend his self, his family and his community, by being married to this shrill harridan. She is Annette Bening in American Beauty.


So, as we can see, American Beauty would have been a much better movie if Kevin Spacey had had a gun collection, we guess.

Or maybe men who let their women flirt with political activism will end up fantasizing about Thora Birch’s best friend.

Honestly, the real point here is that if you don’t have a gun, you’re not a man, and only non-men would ever think of opposing instant access to all guns for everyone.

http://wonkette.com/563230/nra-warns-men-if-you-let-your-wife-do-gun-control-your-peen-may-fall-off#V8VSOg4FuOetST7g.99

whoa! so much truth! gun fellators having penis-size, manhood complexes! :lol

I haf gun, ergo ahm uh mayun, y'all!

[boutons_deux]

dickless fetishist gun fellators' right to carry trumps feminazi's right to live

Feminist Speaker Receives Death Threats, Police Say State Gun Laws Won’t Let Them Protect Her (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/10/15/3579863/utahs-concealed-carry-laws-force-feminist-speaker-to-cancel-event-after-death-threats/)

Utah State University received a letter on Tuesday saying that if it didn’t cancel its event with feminist speaker Anita Sarkeesian, “a Montreal Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre) style attack will be carried out.” The person writing the threat informed the school, according to a copy of letter obtained by (http://www.standard.net/Police/2014/10/14/Utah-State-University-student-threatens-act-of-terror-if-feminist.html)the Standard-Examiner, “I have at my disposal a semi-automatic rifle, multiple pistols, and a collection of pipe bombs.”

But, because of Utah’s concealed carry laws, the school was unable to assure Sarkeesian that metal detectors and pat-downs would be used to check attendees.

Sarkeesian’s work exposing sexist and misogynistic behavior in videogaming has sparked a culture war (http://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844), with Sarkeesian herself at the center. The Canadian blogger and activist has received a steady stream of (http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/07/06/512170/anita-sarkeesian/) rape, death, and bomb threats as she’s written and recorded videos explaining how women face online harassment and ostracization in gaming.

It is surprising that a university cannot assure the safety of its speaker because of state law, as the school explained in its release on the event cancelation. “[In] accordance with the State of Utah law regarding the carrying of firearms,” it wrote, “if a person has a valid concealed firearm permit and is carrying a weapon, they are permitted to have it at the venue.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/10/15/3579863/utahs-concealed-carry-laws-force-feminist-speaker-to-cancel-event-after-death-threats/

fucking red states! :lol

and dickless gun fellators man up and make ANONYMOUS death threats

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/north-phoenix/police-investigating-bank-robbery-in-phoenix (http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/north-phoenix/police-investigating-bank-robbery-in-phoenix)


One suspect shot during an attempted bank robbery Wednesday in Phoenix has died, and a second suspect is in custody, authorities said.Two armed suspects wearing masks entered the Desert Schools Credit Union near Cactus and Tatum around 3 p.m. and attempted to rob it, police said. A witness then opened fire on the suspects. It is not known if the suspects returned fire.
Authorities said one of the suspects was shot and transported to a local hospital where he died. The second suspect fled the bank and stole a vehicle from someone at gunpoint, damaging several cars as he fled.
That suspect struck a mini-van, which then ran into a wall near 44th Street and Thunderbird. Two people in the mini van were taken to the hospital with minor injuries. The suspect was taken into custody.
The owner of the salon next door to the bank said it was another business owner who opened fire.
"He took the keys out of the car because they left the car running. And so he took the keys out of the car and kind of, I guess, he stood behind it waiting for them (the suspects) to come out," said Therea Sessler, owner of Fix Salon.
"What scares me the most is I'm just a couple doors down," said Eduardo Lopez, who works at the nearby Jersey Mikes. "It could've been me."
Video from Air15 showed a large area blocked off with yellow police tape, as well as what appeared to be a trash can filled with money laying in the parking lot.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/north-phoenix/police-investigating-bank-robbery-in-phoenix (http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/north-phoenix/police-investigating-bank-robbery-in-phoenix)


One suspect shot during an attempted bank robbery Wednesday in Phoenix has died, and a second suspect is in custody, authorities said.Two armed suspects wearing masks entered the Desert Schools Credit Union near Cactus and Tatum around 3 p.m. and attempted to rob it, police said. A witness then opened fire on the suspects. It is not known if the suspects returned fire.
Authorities said one of the suspects was shot and transported to a local hospital where he died. The second suspect fled the bank and stole a vehicle from someone at gunpoint, damaging several cars as he fled.
That suspect struck a mini-van, which then ran into a wall near 44th Street and Thunderbird. Two people in the mini van were taken to the hospital with minor injuries. The suspect was taken into custody.
The owner of the salon next door to the bank said it was another business owner who opened fire.
"He took the keys out of the car because they left the car running. And so he took the keys out of the car and kind of, I guess, he stood behind it waiting for them (the suspects) to come out," said Therea Sessler, owner of Fix Salon.
"What scares me the most is I'm just a couple doors down," said Eduardo Lopez, who works at the nearby Jersey Mikes. "It could've been me."
Video from Air15 showed a large area blocked off with yellow police tape, as well as what appeared to be a trash can filled with money laying in the parking lot.

Macho dickless gun fellators kill, injure tons more of their spouses, kids, friends, strangers than they do actual criminals. :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Macho dickless gun fellators kill, injure tons more of their spouses, kids, friends, strangers than they do actual criminals. :lol

And more kids die drowning in bath tubs each year, what is your point?

[boutons_deux]

And more kids die drowning in bath tubs each year, what is your point?

kids have to take baths, kids don't have to be shot

[TheSanityAnnex]

kids have to take baths, kids don't have to be shot

Bath time should be more heavily regulated then, the amount of deaths is alarming.

[boutons_deux]

what weak shit. Do you get your talking points from NRA/GOA? :lol

children bath deaths compared to children killed with guns! :lol

should regulate childrens' bathing, but don't EVER try to regulate guns :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

what weak shit. Do you get your talking points from NRA/GOA? :lol

children bath deaths compared to children killed with guns! :lol

should regulate childrens' bathing, but don't EVER try to regulate guns :lol
In the end they are still dead children. Where is the bathtub outrage? Parents should be more responsible with bathing time, same with children around firearms.

And where do you get the notion that I am against regulating guns?

[boutons_deux]

holy shit! :lol

Texas men accidentally shoot each other while firing at partygoers over beer pong loss

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/texas-men-accidentally-shoot-each-other-while-firing-at-partygoers-over-beer-pong-loss/


Wonderful justification for allowing ALL students to carry guns on campus.

[boutons_deux]

Oklahoma man opens fire on ex-girlfriend for not leaving ‘fast enough’: police

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Drunk-man-with-rifle-via-Shutterstock-800x430.png

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/oklahoma-man-opens-fire-on-ex-girlfriend-for-not-leaving-fast-enough-police/

[boutons_deux]

hey, kid, you laughing at my tiny dick? well, go fuck yourself, I don't have dick!

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Indiana man shoots and kills 13-year-old neighbor for laughing at him

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/indiana-man-shoots-and-kills-13-year-old-neighbor-for-laughing-at-him/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[TheSanityAnnex]

Canada has much stricter gun laws than the US. How'd that work for them?



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa-shooting-where-did-michael-zehaf-bibeau-get-his-gun-1.2811249


RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson revealed yesterday that Zehaf-Bibeau was under a criminal prohibition from possessing firearms.


It is standard practice in Canada for courts to issue a lifetime gun ban to almost anyone convicted of a violent offence.


It all means that Zehaf-Bibeau must have obtained his rifle either by stealing it, buying it on the black market, or been given the rifle, either by someone unaware of his motives or an accomplice.

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More ‘Sons of Guns’ stars arrested: Pro-gun reality TV family charged with child abuse

According to New Orleans Fox affiliate Channel 8 (http://www.fox8live.com/story/26886988/2-sons-of-guns-reality-stars-arrested-on-cruelty-to-juvenile-charges), Kristafor Ford and his wife Stephanie Hayden were arrested on Friday for beating a 9-year-old boy with a belt hard enough to leave severe bruises on his buttocks and upper legs.

Ford is charged with administering the beating while Hayden, the boy’s mother, stood by and watched. Ford is the boy’s stepfather.

The Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office told Channel 8 that Ford was charged with cruelty to a juvenile and Hayden with principal to cruelty to a juvenile.

Sons of Guns ran for several seasons on the Discovery Channel and centered around Red Jacket Firearms, a Louisiana-based custom firearms company. Red Jacket’s founder and star of the reality show, Will Hayden, was arrested and charged with the rape of his 11-year-old daughter in August (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/gun-store-reality-show-star-will-hayden-arrested-for-rape-of-11-year-old-child/). In September, another woman came forward and accused Hayden of raping her when she was 12 years old (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/sons-of-guns-reality-show-star-will-hayden-charged-with-raping-another-child/).

The Discovery Channel canceled Sons of Guns after the initial set of allegations surfaced against Hayden.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/more-sons-of-guns-stars-arrested-pro-gun-reality-tv-family-charged-with-child-abuse/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

yep, you gun fellators really, really are sickos :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Canada has much stricter gun laws than the US. How'd that work for them?



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa-shooting-where-did-michael-zehaf-bibeau-get-his-gun-1.2811249


RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson revealed yesterday that Zehaf-Bibeau was under a criminal prohibition from possessing firearms.


It is standard practice in Canada for courts to issue a lifetime gun ban to almost anyone convicted of a violent offence.


It all means that Zehaf-Bibeau must have obtained his rifle either by stealing it, buying it on the black market, or been given the rifle, either by someone unaware of his motives or an accomplice.


Boutons you've touted Canada's strict gun laws before. Do you need more proof stricter laws do nothing to deter criminals?

[ChumpDumper]

Canada has much stricter gun laws than the US. How'd that work for them?Considering the overall gun death rate is about 1/4 that of the US, pretty well I guess.

[boutons_deux]

Boutons you've touted Canada's strict gun laws before. Do you need more proof stricter laws do nothing to deter criminals?

USA has 5x the gun-deaths/100K than Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

you NRA/GOA/gun-fellators/shills and your guns-everywhere-for-everyone is one of the huge shit stains, perversions in American life.