Buyout Watch Thread

[crc21209]

Well if the FO knows something about MWP that we dont, cool. Hopefully the Spurs can land Granger or Clark....

[Spursfanfromafar]

Granger - damaged goods, et al - makes the most logical sense for the Spurs and the Spurs make the most logical sense for him.

If Granger is looking to revive his career with minutes carefully laid out for him, rehabbing plans, shooting dynamic changes, team defense fundamentals etc, then there are just three teams that are best suited for him - the Spurs, the Suns and the Mavericks, who all seem to have good health experts and are (non-washed up) veterans' ideal destinations. Granger will rule out the Suns and Mavs as they are less of a contender than the Spurs are. (He might consider the Heat, but I don't think he will like being Lebron's backup as much as he likes being Kawhi's backup, considering the latter offers him to play a mentor's role as well).

Granger's personality - no fuss, team oriented - is also exactly "Spursian". It is a great fit, despite the fact that he has regressed terribly and is a shell of himself. But considering other options and the fact that he can still play acceptable defense, suggests that he is good to go for spot minutes.

[crc21209]

Granger just doesnt strike me as a dick. So I don't think he would go to the Heat. The Clippers just got Big Baby and already have guys like Redick, Dudley, Barnes, Green, and Turkoglu at the wings, so their may not be time there. The Spurs may be intriguing to Granger since the Pacers are a similar organization to the Spurs. We'll see what happens..

[Richie]

Yup - unless some miracle Boris Diaw level fit happens, playoff rotation is set if healthy:

Tim/TP/Manu/Kawhi/Tiago/Boris/Danny/Patty/Beli

Don't agree that is a set rotation. Against a team like the Heat, Thunder or even the Warriors who will play significant small ball minutes, there's plenty of room for Granger to get extended playoff minutes.

Against those teams mentioned, Tiago will only play 15-20 minutes while Timmy rests, or with Timmy when they play big (Thunder and Warriors both start with two bigs)

He wouldn't get huge minutes against a team like the Grizzliers or the Mavs who play big at the 4, but would give us good matchup options.

[HarlemHeat37]

Granger doesn't really seem like the type of player to accept spot minutes, tbh..

He shouldn't be anything more than an 8th/9th man at this point, but it doesn't seem like reality has hit him yet, so he's probably delusional enough to believe he deserves to be a top 6 player on a team IMO..

All things considered, I'd be shocked if he doesn't choose the Clippers, Mavs or Bulls, tbh..those are the viable playoff teams that could give him a top 6 spot in the rotation IMO..

[NickiRasgo]

Granger doesn't really seem like the type of player to accept spot minutes, tbh..

He shouldn't be anything more than an 8th/9th man at this point, but it doesn't seem like reality has hit him yet, so he's probably delusional enough to believe he deserves to be a top 6 player on a team IMO..

All things considered, I'd be shocked if he doesn't choose the Clippers, Mavs or Bulls, tbh..those are the viable playoff teams that could give him a top 6 spot in the rotation IMO..

Didn't Granger accepted the role as being PG's backup? And he was also pissed when he was traded.

[Chinook]

Don't agree that is a set rotation. Against a team like the Heat, Thunder or even the Warriors who will play significant small ball minutes, there's plenty of room for Granger to get extended playoff minutes.

Against those teams mentioned, Tiago will only play 15-20 minutes while Timmy rests, or with Timmy when they play big (Thunder and Warriors both start with two bigs)

He wouldn't get huge minutes against a team like the Grizzliers or the Mavs who play big at the 4, but would give us good matchup options.

There still aren't many minutes available for a fifth wing in that scenario. 36 for Kawhi, 32 for Green, and 30 for Manu totals 98 minutes. That leaves like 20 for Beli and 26 for Diaw. And that's with no Splitter at the four, which will happen even against Miami or OKC.

[exstatic]

Granger doesn't really seem like the type of player to accept spot minutes, tbh..

He shouldn't be anything more than an 8th/9th man at this point, but it doesn't seem like reality has hit him yet, so he's probably delusional enough to believe he deserves to be a top 6 player on a team IMO..

All things considered, I'd be shocked if he doesn't choose the Clippers, Mavs or Bulls, tbh..those are the viable playoff teams that could give him a top 6 spot in the rotation IMO..

DG was playing 22.5 minutes in Indy, so yes, he will accept limited minutes. I also think he wants a DEEP playoff run, which rules out Dallas, and if the criteria is past the second round, the Clips.

[Mel_13]

Don't agree that is a set rotation. Against a team like the Heat, Thunder or even the Warriors who will play significant small ball minutes, there's plenty of room for Granger to get extended playoff minutes.

Against those teams mentioned, Tiago will only play 15-20 minutes while Timmy rests, or with Timmy when they play big (Thunder and Warriors both start with two bigs)

He wouldn't get huge minutes against a team like the Grizzliers or the Mavs who play big at the 4, but would give us good matchup options.

Assume that Splitter only plays the minutes that Duncan sits and that Tony splits the PG minutes with Mills. That leaves 144 minutes for Diaw, Leonard, Green, Manu, and Beli. There is not plenty of room for Granger, or any free agent signee, to get extended playoff minutes. Unless you believe that he will displace one of those five players from the rotation.

Granger's a smart guy. He carries himself like a Spur and would fit perfectly in the locker room. If, however, he places a high value on the probability of playing time this season, he won't choose the Spurs.

[Mel_13]

DG was playing 22.5 minutes in Indy, so yes, he will accept limited minutes. I also think he wants a DEEP playoff run, which rules out Dallas, and if the criteria is past the second round, the Clips.

If it looked like 22 mpg was available in San Antonio, I believe selecting the Spurs would be an easy choice for him.

[Mugen]

Signing w/ the Heat would allow him to enjoy South Beach and still get a chance to catch some sweet passes from Manu in the playoffs tbh.

[Richie]

Assume that Splitter only plays the minutes that Duncan sits and that Tony splits the PG minutes with Mills. That leaves 144 minutes for Diaw, Leonard, Green, Manu, and Beli. There is not plenty of room for Granger, or any free agent signee, to get extended playoff minutes. Unless you believe that he will displace one of those five players from the rotation.

Granger's a smart guy. He carries himself like a Spur and would fit perfectly in the locker room. If, however, he places a high value on the probability of playing time this season, he won't choose the Spurs.

I don't see it as impossible that he could displace one of those players based on matchups. I'd be willing to say Granger is a better defender than either Beli or Manu at this stage of his career. That may not matter alot against the Heat with players like Allen and Battier, but a big Warriors wing rotation of Thompson/Iggy/Barnes could burn a player like Belinelli and if 2013 Manu turns up I'd rather him on the bench.

Also I think you need to look at foul trouble as a real consideration against Lebron, Durant, Harden etc...

[Chinook]

Granger's never been a good defender. Now he's probably really bad. He's certainly not a specialist type who'll be in for Ginobili or Beli. Plus the Warriors will play big a lot when healthy.

[Mel_13]

I don't see it as impossible that he could displace one of those players based on matchups. I'd be willing to say Granger is a better defender than either Beli or Manu at this stage of his career. That may not matter alot against the Heat with players like Allen and Battier, but a big Warriors wing rotation of Thompson/Iggy/Barnes could burn a player like Belinelli and if 2013 Manu turns up I'd rather him on the bench.

Also I think you need to look at foul trouble as a real consideration against Lebron, Durant, Harden etc...

Well, you went from "plenty of room to get extended playoff minutes" to not "impossible that he could displace one of those players based on matchups". I agree, it's not impossible.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

any word on earl clark

[Spursfanfromafar]

Granger's never been a good defender. Now he's probably really bad. He's certainly not a specialist type who'll be in for Ginobili or Beli. Plus the Warriors will play big a lot when healthy.

Granger has always been an above-average defender. Re-read your scout reports.

He is average now, because of his injuries.

[Richie]

Granger's never been a good defender. Now he's probably really bad. He's certainly not a specialist type who'll be in for Ginobili or Beli. Plus the Warriors will play big a lot when healthy.

I don't mean to imply he's a defensive specialist he's clearly not, but he's likely still a better defender than either Manu or Beli, if for no other reason than he has the size and length to compete against 3's and smaller 4's which the rest of our wings simply don't possess.

If we get him, I think his minutes will come down to how well Diaw can defend small ball 4s and how well Green and Kawhi can stay out of foul trouble. I put him in between Kawhi/Green and Marco/Manu, better offensively than the former and better defensively than the latter which gives him a good chance of discretionary minutes.

Of course that's just looking at the playoffs. The way Pop likes to rest the veterans and the injuries we've had this year, I don't see how he could average less than 20mpg for the rest of the regular season.

[SpursFan86]

Granger was a solid defender in the past. Not an elite Tony Allen-esque one, but he definitely wasn't bad or even average. Haven't seen him much this year...I'd imagine his defense has fallen off a bit. Can't be worse than Daye's though (right?).

[Mel_13]

I put him in between Kawhi/Green and Marco/Manu, better offensively than the former

Have you even looked at his offensive stats for this season?

[Sean Cagney]

For sure ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Spurs always get the cold shoulder from FA"s

You are fully correct. Clark I would go for.

[exstatic]

Granger's never been a good defender. Now he's probably really bad. He's certainly not a specialist type who'll be in for Ginobili or Beli. Plus the Warriors will play big a lot when healthy.

??? His opponent PER is about 10 this year.

[Richie]

Have you even looked at his offensive stats for this season?

I've seen his stats, but I don't watch a lot of Pacers ball so find it tough to comment.

I see at as one of two possibilities as to why his stats have dipped. He's either fallen off sharply with his injuries and is simply not the same player, or he has come back to a team in which there is no longer a place for him and is struggling to find his role.

The Pacers are a very average offensive team, I think any player would perform better in the Spurs system than in the Pacers. Also, even if he can't attack the rim or isolate like he once could, you don't just forget how to shoot. Get Parker dishing to him for open shots and his shooting percentages will tend back to his career average.

[SpursFan86]

Have you even looked at his offensive stats for this season?

Yeah...there's no denying Granger has been putrid on offense this year. However, 2 things:

1) He missed almost all of last year, and a decent amount of this year. There's a good chance he's still getting back into the swing of things.

2) Our offensive system is much more conducive to positive offensive results. I mean, look at Belinelli. He averaged 9.6 ppg last year on a 51.3 TS% (below league-average efficiency). This year he's averaging 11.6 ppg in the same amount of minutes on a 61.2 TS%...which is fantastic.

I'm not saying Granger would get here and immediately go back to how he used to be. But I wouldn't be surprised if he improved and became a solid scoring option off the bench.

[Chinook]

??? His opponent PER is about 10 this year.

Not that surprising, seeing as he plays for the best defensive team in the league and goes against backups.

[look_at_g_shred]

It's not a stretch to say Granger could be a valuable role player going deep into the playoffs. I think we can all agree here. Which is why he should be valued highly.

[Chinook]

It's not a stretch to say Granger could be a valuable role player going deep into the playoffs. I think we can all agree here. Which is why he should be valued highly.

No, we actually don't all agree on that. Granger would be a nice safety net, but he's not going to even be a role-player.

[Baam]

Pop won't offer him the playing time he could get in Dallas or LA... He may want to contend but he's also in a contract year... Looks like we're getting Jamison, it's Pop 101...

[Mel_13]

Yeah...there's no denying Granger has been putrid on offense this year. However, 2 things:

1) He missed almost all of last year, and a decent amount of this year. There's a good chance he's still getting back into the swing of things.

2) Our offensive system is much more conducive to positive offensive results. I mean, look at Belinelli. He averaged 9.6 ppg last year on a 51.3 TS% (below league-average efficiency). This year he's averaging 11.6 ppg in the same amount of minutes on a 61.2 TS%...which is fantastic.

I'm not saying Granger would get here and immediately go back to how he used to be. But I wouldn't be surprised if he improved and became a solid scoring option off the bench.

That's all a far cry from saying that he's currently better offensively than Leonard and Green, and it's inconceivable that he will get there over the last 20 games. If Indiana thought that was a possibility, he'd still be a Pacer.

Granger's a pro and I'd like to see him on the Spurs, but the chance that he makes any significant impact this year is very, very small.

[Mel_13]

Pop won't offer him the playing time he could get in Dallas or LA... He may want to contend but he's also in a contract year... Looks like we're getting Jamison, it's Pop 101...

:sleep

[look_at_g_shred]

No, we actually don't all agree on that. Granger would be a nice safety net, but he's not going to even be a role-player.
Ok to each his own. Beauty of ST.

[Clipper Nation]

Why would he get more PT on Clips? They have a ton of wings (even if they aren't thrilled with them)

Dudley doesn't even belong in the rotation and Barnes should be coming off the bench....

[HarlemHeat37]

DG was playing 22.5 minutes in Indy, so yes, he will accept limited minutes. I also think he wants a DEEP playoff run, which rules out Dallas, and if the criteria is past the second round, the Clips.

23 minutes per game on a contender isn't a limited minute role, tbh:lol..

Granger isn't anywhere near Leonard or Manu, and he isn't as good as Green or Beli..I don't see where he would find 20 minutes per game on the Spurs, and I don't think he would accept a role playing 15 per game or less, tbh..

The Mavs, Clippers and maybe the Bulls could offer him guaranteed minutes..if he really wants a title, he would probably choose Miami and OKC over the Spurs, too..the Clippers could offer him both a good role and a shot at a title..

[Mel_13]

I've seen his stats, but I don't watch a lot of Pacers ball so find it tough to comment.

I see at as one of two possibilities as to why his stats have dipped. He's either fallen off sharply with his injuries and is simply not the same player, or he has come back to a team in which there is no longer a place for him and is struggling to find his role.

The Pacers are a very average offensive team, I think any player would perform better in the Spurs system than in the Pacers. Also, even if he can't attack the rim or isolate like he once could, you don't just forget how to shoot. Get Parker dishing to him for open shots and his shooting percentages will tend back to his career average.

I haven't watched the Pacers much either and Granger would likely get some better looks with Spurs. I just see very little chance that Granger would supplant established rotation players this season.

btw, you brought up attacking the rim. Leonard has made 72% of his shots at the rim this season. Granger has made 52%.

[SpursFan86]

That's all a far cry from saying that he's currently better offensively than Leonard and Green, and it's inconceivable that he will get there over the last 20 games. If Indiana thought that was a possibility, he'd still be a Pacer.

Granger's a pro and I'd like to see him on the Spurs, but the chance that he makes any significant impact this year is very, very small.

Oh I completely agree that it's absurd to say he's currently better offensively than Leonard/Green. I think there's a decent chance he could have a small, but positive impact though. Kawhi played a ton last playoffs (36+ mpg); we don't need a backup SF to play 15-20 mpg. If Granger can give us 5-10 decent minutes so Kawhi can get rest and the team not consequently fall apart, I'll consider that a success. I'd rather have Granger giving us those minutes than Daye.

[Mel_13]

Oh I completely agree that it's absurd to say he's currently better offensively than Leonard/Green. I think there's a decent chance he could have a small, but positive impact though. Kawhi played a ton last playoffs (36+ mpg); we don't need a backup SF to play 15-20 mpg. If Granger can give us 5-10 decent minutes so Kawhi can get rest and the team not consequently fall apart, I'll consider that a success. I'd rather have Granger giving us those minutes than Daye.

Daye won't play in the playoffs. Green is the backup SF, just as he was all the way through the 2013 playoffs.

[palangi]

Not that surprising, seeing as he plays for the best defensive team in the league and goes against backups.
shouldn't drop off much coming to the spurs. as he would be in a very similar situation.

[Richie]

That's all a far cry from saying that he's currently better offensively than Leonard and Green, and it's inconceivable that he will get there over the last 20 games. If Indiana thought that was a possibility, he'd still be a Pacer.

Granger's a pro and I'd like to see him on the Spurs, but the chance that he makes any significant impact this year is very, very small.

Leonard perhaps, but all Green can do is shoot 3's. It's far from inconceivable that Granger could match Greens 38% 3 point shooting this year, and even a shell of Granger will be able to put the ball on the floor better than Green.

Leonard is an interesting one. Granger is actually shooting the 3 better than Kawhi this season on a similar number of attempts, and considering Kawhi is in a much better offensive situation with the Spurs than Granger was with the Pacers I'd give Granger the benefit of the doubt there.

In the half court I'm not really sure exactly of what Kawhi might be better at, except putbacks from offensive rebounds. We all know Pop doesn't run much for Kawhi, whether that's because Pop doesn't have faith in Kawhi yet or it's just the system I guess none of us know.

[Richie]

I haven't watched the Pacers much either and Granger would likely get some better looks with Spurs. I just see very little chance that Granger would supplant established rotation players this season.

btw, you brought up attacking the rim. Leonard has made 72% of his shots at the rim this season. Granger has made 52%.

How much of that might be because of the breakaway dunks Kawhi gets off of steals every game? You've still got to finish them but it seems that could inflate those stats somewhat.

Quite frankly I'm shocked at how poorly Kawhi is shooting the 3 this year. I didn't realise it until I started comparing with Granger he is actually shooting worse than Grangers 33% in a better system. That's quite worrying.

[Mel_13]

Leonard perhaps, but all Green can do is shoot 3's. It's far from inconceivable that Granger could match Greens 38% 3 point shooting this year, and even a shell of Granger will be able to put the ball on the floor better than Green.

Leonard is an interesting one. Granger is actually shooting the 3 better than Kawhi this season on a similar number of attempts, and considering Kawhi is in a much better offensive situation with the Spurs than Granger was with the Pacers I'd give Granger the benefit of the doubt there.

In the half court I'm not really sure exactly of what Kawhi might be better at, except putbacks from offensive rebounds. We all know Pop doesn't run much for Kawhi, whether that's because Pop doesn't have faith in Kawhi yet or it's just the system I guess none of us know.

Leonard is shooting significantly better than Granger at every interval from the rim to the 3 point line. They are virtually equally for the entire season beyond the 3 point line and that's due to Kawhi's horrendous start. He shot 20% in November and was up to 43% in January.

Anyway, if Granger does join the Spurs, we'll see what role he gets he play. My guess is that it will be very small unless there is an injury to Leonard, Gree, Manu, or Belinelli.

My original point stands. If Granger is looking for a situation where he is most likely to get significant playing time (similar to his role this season in Indy) on a good team, he'll choose a team other than the Spurs.

[Mugen]

:lol My man Green still not getting any respect this season. Not sure if I trust any Spur not named Duncan more with attempting a game winner than Danny Green tbh.

For a team that supposedly went hard at AK47 in the offseason, it's puzzling why a guy like Earl Clark hasn't been signed yet. He's got the most defensive upside left out of the group and is also the ideal fit for the Spurs' current roster need. Unless there's something we don't know about him, he should be the top target for RC tbh.

[Richie]

Daye won't play in the playoffs. Green is the backup SF, just as he was all the way through the 2013 playoffs.

I think that might be too quick a conclusion. I think Green only managed to play well in the backup 3 spot because of the matchups. Most of the teams played small with a guard at the 3, I don't remember him very often having to defend legit small forwards. Memphis and the Lakers played big, but the 3's in those series were not real offensive threats from the outside and he mainly spent his time doubling the post.

I actually think if we need to defend a legitimate threat at the small forward position such as Durant or Lebron, I'd rather have Diaw playing those minutes. Danny just isn't big or long enough to guard those guys.

[Mel_13]

How much of that might be because of the breakaway dunks Kawhi gets off of steals every game? You've still got to finish them but it seems that could inflate those stats somewhat.

Quite frankly I'm shocked at how poorly Kawhi is shooting the 3 this year. I didn't realise it until I started comparing with Granger he is actually shooting worse than Grangers 33% in a better system. That's quite worrying.

Look at Kawhi's monthly splits from 3.

And of course, Kawhi's FG% is helped by the fact that he gets so many steals.

[look_at_g_shred]

:lol My man Green still not getting any respect this season. Not sure if I trust any Spur not named Duncan more with attempting a game winner than Danny Green tbh.

For a team that supposedly went hard at AK47 in the offseason, it's puzzling why a guy like Earl Clark hasn't been signed yet. He's got the most defensive upside left out of the group and is also the ideal fit for the Spurs' current roster need. Unless there's something we don't know about him, he should be the top target for RC tbh.
+1 dawg.

[SpursFan86]

Even if Granger is a better 3-point shooter than Kawhi at this point (which I'm not sure of)...he's not even shooting 40% on 2-point FGAs. That's horrible. Kawhi is almost shooting 60% on 2-point attempts.

[Mel_13]

I think that might be too quick a conclusion. I think Green only managed to play well in the backup 3 spot because of the matchups. Most of the teams played small with a guard at the 3, I don't remember him very often having to defend legit small forwards. Memphis and the Lakers played big, but the 3's in those series were not real offensive threats from the outside and he mainly spent his time doubling the post.

I actually think if we need to defend a legitimate threat at the small forward position such as Durant or Lebron, I'd rather have Diaw playing those minutes. Danny just isn't big or long enough to guard those guys.

Leonard will guard Durant and LeBron when they play the 3. He'll guard them most of the time when they play the 4. Green is the backup SF.

[Richie]

Anyway, if Granger does join the Spurs, we'll see what role he gets he play. My guess is that it will be very small unless there is an injury to Leonard, Gree, Manu, or Belinelli.

My original point stands. If Granger is looking for a situation where he is most likely to get significant playing time (similar to his role this season in Indy) on a good team, he'll choose a team other than the Spurs.

I partially agree when talking about playoffs, but in terms of the rest of the regular season I don't see how he wouldn't play 20+ minutes with all the injuries and rest. Even if the team is suddenly 100% healthy for the rest of the season (which I don't expect), Pop will still rest Timmy, Manu, Parker and Kawhi enough to give him good regular season minutes.

[Mel_13]

I partially agree when talking about playoffs, but in terms of the rest of the regular season I don't see how he wouldn't play 20+ minutes with all the injuries and rest. Even if the team is suddenly 100% healthy for the rest of the season (which I don't expect), Pop will still rest Timmy, Manu, Parker and Kawhi enough to give him good regular season minutes.

We'll see. If Granger joins the Spurs, I'll be rooting for his success.

[TE]

:lol My man Green still not getting any respect this season. Not sure if I trust any Spur not named Duncan more with attempting a game winner than Danny Green tbh.

For a team that supposedly went hard at AK47 in the offseason, it's puzzling why a guy like Earl Clark hasn't been signed yet. He's got the most defensive upside left out of the group and is also the ideal fit for the Spurs' current roster need. Unless there's something we don't know about him, he should be the top target for RC tbh.
Yeah, I don't know why Green is undermined in this forum. He's a gamer, tbh. You want him on your team in the playoffs.

[Richie]

Yeah, I don't know why Green is undermined in this forum. He's a gamer, tbh. You want him on your team in the playoffs.

Agreed, but he's a 3&D guy and that's all he'll ever be. It's not disrespecting him to say that.

[Mugen]

Agreed, but he's a 3&D guy and that's all he'll ever be. It's not disrespecting him to say that.

to be fair (based on this season), that's what Granger would be on this team with a worse 3 and minus the D tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

FYI Granger's comparative stats..

Isolation plays: 27% FG on 14 attempts, 0.57 PPP
Post-up: 44% on 35 attempts, 0.8 PPP(his best attribute IMO)
Spot-up shooting: 32% from the field, 32% from 3 on 69 attempts, his primary role with the Pacers this season
Off screens: 31% FG on 48 attempts, 0.8 PPP(the other role he had in Indiana)

Kawhi Leonard:

Isolation: 46% from the field, 1 PPP, one of the best in the NBA this season, despite the perception of many on ST
Post-up: 61%, 1.23 PPP(ranked #1 among perimeter players in the NBA)
Spot-up: 37% from the field, 30% from 3
Off screens: 40% from the field, 0.81 PPP

Danny Green can't iso at all and he's only had 1 post attempt all year, but he's shooting 40% on spot-up 3s and 44% on 3s off screens..obviously his defense makes him irreplaceable, too, as he's probably one of the 3 best individual perimeter defenders in the league, at this point IMO..

[Mel_13]

FYI Granger's comparative stats..

Isolation plays: 27% FG on 14 attempts, 0.57 PPP
Post-up: 44% on 35 attempts, 0.8 PPP(his best attribute IMO)
Spot-up shooting: 32% from the field, 32% from 3 on 69 attempts, his primary role with the Pacers this season
Off screens: 31% FG on 48 attempts, 0.8 PPP(the other role he had in Indiana)

Kawhi Leonard:

Isolation: 46% from the field, 1 PPP, one of the best in the NBA this season, despite the perception of many on ST
Post-up: 61%, 1.23 PPP(ranked #1 among perimeter players in the NBA)
Spot-up: 37% from the field, 30% from 3
Off screens: 40% from the field, 0.81 PPP

Danny Green can't iso at all and he's only had 1 post attempt all year, but he's shooting 40% on spot-up 3s and 44% on 3s off screens..obviously his defense makes him irreplaceable, too, as he's probably one of the 3 best individual perimeter defenders in the league, at this point IMO..

What he said, tbh..

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi Leonard:


Post-up: 61%, 1.23 PPP(ranked #1 among perimeter players in the NBA)

Talk about not utilizing your players properly..

:bang

[Richie]

to be fair (based on this season), that's what Granger would be on this team with a worse 3 and minus the D tbh.

I just don't believe players forget how to shoot. Give Granger the kind of looks Kawhi and Green get and there's no way his 3 point percentage stays at 33%. I'd expect him to at least get back to his career average of 38%. Can't argue with the defence argument, Green is a better defender, although I haven't seen Granger enough to say if he's as bad as some on here are making out him to be.

[Mel_13]

I just don't believe players forget how to shoot.

True, but career-altering injuries affect their ability to shoot and do the other things that established their reputations in the NBA.

[Mugen]

I just don't believe players forget how to shoot. Give Granger the kind of looks Kawhi and Green get and there's no way his 3 point percentage stays at 33%. I'd expect him to at least get back to his career average of 38%. Can't argue with the defence argument, Green is a better defender, although I haven't seen Granger enough to say if he's as bad as some on here are making out him to be.

Check out S-Jax last year before he was cut. Again, I'm fine with a Granger signing. People just need to temper their expectations if he does end up here tbh.

[Chinook]

Earl Clark would stand to get more minutes on the Spurs than Granger would, because Clark would have a chance to work his way up to fourth big. He's a combo-forward in a good way. That's why I prefer him to Granger.

[Mel_13]

Earl Clark would stand to get more minutes on the Spurs than Granger would, because Clark would have a chance to work his way up to fourth big. He's a combo-forward in a good way. That's why I prefer him to Granger.

It's been very quiet on the Earl Clark front.

[timtonymanu]

It's been very quiet on the Earl Clark front.

Maybe this is the CIA Pop signing we are gonna get. :stirpot:

All the Granger/Jamison talk is smoke screen. (Wishful thinking)

[Chinook]

It's been very quiet on the Earl Clark front.

Yeah, it's strange. He did get waived and no bought out, though. Perhaps his stock is really low? Perhaps he's willing to sit out the rest of the season since he doesn't have to recoup money? If he signs on with a d-league team, I'll think he's gotten no looks. If he doesn't, it's probably his choice, unless we hear he's brought in for workouts.

[Uriel]

Earl Clark would stand to get more minutes on the Spurs than Granger would, because Clark would have a chance to work his way up to fourth big. He's a combo-forward in a good way. That's why I prefer him to Granger.
Why can't Danny Granger play the Earl Clark, small ball PF role? He's a 6"9 SF.

[Mel_13]

Yeah, it's strange. He did get waived and no bought out, though. Perhaps his stock is really low? Perhaps he's willing to sit out the rest of the season since he doesn't have to recoup money? If he signs on with a d-league team, I'll think he's gotten no looks. If he doesn't, it's probably his choice, unless we hear he's brought in for workouts.

With the exception of a 50 game stretch with the Lakers, he's been a pretty bad NBA player and he wasn't that good for those 50 games. Better than Ayres, but that's a very low bar.

[Richie]

Check out S-Jax last year before he was cut. Again, I'm fine with a Granger signing. People just need to temper their expectations if he does end up here tbh.

Jackson was only ever a career 33% 3 point shooter to begin with.

[Richie]

Why can't Danny Granger play the Earl Clark, small ball PF role? He's a 6"9 SF.

I was thinking this. Granger is the same size as Diaw, albeit with less bulk behind him. I'd take Granger at the 4 ahead of Ayres, Clark and Bonner against everyone but the Grizzlies and Pacers where you need someone stronger in the post.

[Richie]

With the exception of a 50 game stretch with the Lakers, he's been a pretty bad NBA player and he wasn't that good for those 50 games. Better than Ayres, but that's a very low bar.

I feel like Earl Clark is the classic case of being overrated because he played in a big market.

[Chinook]

Why can't Danny Granger play the Earl Clark, small ball PF role? He's a 6"9 SF.

Clark is an experienced power-forward who is also a competent SF. He's shooting 57 percent around the rim and 34+ percent from outside. He's not a small-ball only PF like Granger would be.

[Richie]

I don't see why we'd want Earl Clark when we have Bonner. If you want someone big who can stretch the floor Bonner is better at it, if you want someone who can play some SF which Bonner obviously can't there are better options.

[Uriel]

Clark is an experienced power-forward who is also a competent SF. He's shooting 57 percent around the rim and 34+ percent from outside. He's not a small-ball only PF like Granger would be.
Yeah, but if you combine the small-ball PF minutes with the spot minutes at SF and the situational / injury minutes, there's plenty of reason to think Danny Granger can average 15-20 MPG for us (which is a lot for a contender). That number may even increase, given Pop's infatuation with veterans.

[Mel_13]

Leonard and Diaw are the small ball PFs for the Spurs.

[Chinook]

Yeah, but if you combine the small-ball PF minutes with the spot minutes at SF and the situational / injury minutes, there's plenty of reason to think Danny Granger can average 15-20 MPG for us (which is a lot for a contender). That number may even increase, given Pop's infatuation with veterans.

No way Pop's gonna sign Granget just to try him out at the four. Leonard is too good in small ball, and Diaw and Splitter could eat all the big-ball minutes by themselves. Clark would just give them insurance at both.

And Green's backing up Leonard at the three. That spot is already covered.

[Richie]

No way Pop's gonna sign Granget just to try him out at the four. Leonard is too good in small ball, and Diaw and Splitter could eat all the big-ball minutes by themselves. Clark would just give them insurance at both.

And Green's backing up Leonard at the three. That spot is already covered.

What's the point? He's not any better than Bonner.

Everyone is talking about rotations when everyone is healthy and playing, but that hasn't been the case all year and will continue. The closer we get to the playoffs the more rest the Big 3 and Kawhi will get, and in those situations Granger would be more useful in the rotation than Clark.

Also, I'm not filled with confidence with Green defending 3's, he's too small. We've seen that throughout the year, hence why everyone has been calling out the front office for not signing a backup 3 in the offseason.

[Mel_13]

One other thing on Clark.

It's just strange that Sixers waived him. His contract for 2014-15 was for 4.25M, none of which was guaranteed as long as he was waived by July 7th. That's a great trade asset and it's not like he's good enough to have derailed their tanking plans if they just kept him on the roster. Just strange.

[Mugen]

What's the point? He's not any better than Bonner.

Everyone is talking about rotations when everyone is healthy and playing, but that hasn't been the case all year and will continue. The closer we get to the playoffs the more rest the Big 3 and Kawhi will get, and in those situations Granger would be more useful in the rotation than Clark.

I think you're only worrying about the offense with regards to this last roster spot. A lot of people here want to add another defensive player in case Kawhi gets in foul trouble or injury. My ideal acquisition would be somebody who can give us solid minutes on Durant or LeBron, in which case, Clark would be the best out of the bunch tbh.

[Mel_13]

Also, I'm not filled with confidence with Green defending 3's, he's too small. We've seen that throughout the year,

No, we haven't. Green has played the majority of his minutes at the 3 and his opponents' PER is 8.1.

[Ice009]

Clark is an experienced power-forward who is also a competent SF. He's shooting 57 percent around the rim and 34+ percent from outside. He's not a small-ball only PF like Granger would be.

The Spurs simply might not think that Clark is a gamer. They might view him as a Ian Mahinimi type that has no instincts for the game. On paper he looks great, so we'll see if they are interested in him, if they aren't, then that is probably because they don't think he's much of an actual player.

[Richie]

I think you're only worrying about the offense with regards to this last roster spot. A lot of people here want to add another defensive player in case Kawhi gets in foul trouble or injury. My ideal acquisition would be somebody who can give us solid minutes on Durant or LeBron, in which case, Clark would be the best out of the bunch tbh.

Why do you think Clark would be a better defender for those guys than Granger?

[Chinook]

What's the point? He's not any better than Bonner.

Everyone is talking about rotations when everyone is healthy and playing, but that hasn't been the case all year and will continue. The closer we get to the playoffs the more rest the Big 3 and Kawhi will get, and in those situations Granger would be more useful in the rotation than Clark.

Also, I'm not filled with confidence with Green defending 3's, he's too small. We've seen that throughout the year, hence why everyone has been calling out the front office for not signing a backup 3 in the offseason.

Green isn't even small for a SF. People have it in their heads that he's small. He's taller than average and is stronger in the post than most players his size. He's been great at the three since January 2013. I can't think of a team with a better backup three. The problem is he's the best guard defender on the team, so playing him at SF is wasting him, also, he wears down if he has to play big minutes at the three, which he does when Leonard is out multiple games. That's why not getting another SF was an issue. It was to spelk Danny not replace him.

[Mugen]

Why do you think Clark would be a better defender for those guys than Granger?

The times i've watched Granger this season, his rotations have been pretty slow and just doesn't look the same after his injuries. He's coming off major knee surgery plus calf issues and it's definitely affected his mobility.

Clark is still young and has shown to be competent on defense whenever he's gotten the minutes. I just like his chances better of a) staying healthy this season b) defending KD/LeBron if needed.

[Richie]

No, we haven't. Green has played the majority of his minutes at the 3 and his opponents' PER is 8.1.

Stats like that mean nothing without context. He's only played there because we literally have nobody else, not because he excels in that position. He can do a job, better than anyone else on the team at least, but not much more than that.

[Richie]

The times i've watched Granger this season, his rotations have been pretty slow and just doesn't look the same after his injuries. He's coming off major knee surgery plus calf issues and it's definitely affected his mobility.

Clark is still young and has shown to be competent on defense whenever he's gotten the minutes. I just like his chances better of a) staying healthy this season b) defending KD/LeBron if needed.

I watched Clark on the Lakers a fair bit last year and I can't say there was anything that made me think he was a good defender. To be fair to him though, it was a Mike D'Antoni team.

[Mel_13]

Stats like that mean nothing without context. He's only played there because we literally have nobody else, not because he excels in that position. He can do a job, better than anyone else on the team at least, but not much more than that.

Sorry, but that's beyond stupid. An opponent PER of 8.1 is excellent, period. The numbers could only be disregarded if the sample size was too small. It's not. Danny Green is an excellent defender of NBA SFs without qualification.

[Richie]

Green isn't even small for a SF. People have it in their heads that he's small. He's taller than average and is stronger in the post than most players his size. He's been great at the three since January 2013. I can't think of a team with a better backup three. The problem is he's the best guard defender on the team, so playing him at SF is wasting him, also, he wears down if he has to play big minutes at the three, which he does when Leonard is out multiple games. That's why not getting another SF was an issue. It was to spelk Danny not replace him.

At best, Green has average size for a small forward, but I'd say he's more likely below average. Especially when you consider you'd be asking him to defend players who are freakishly big like Lebron and Durant.

That's not to say size is the be all and end all, Iguodala is just a bit bigger than Green for example, but I just don't rate Green that highly when it comes to defending bigger players. He is however excellent at defending players his size and smaller.

Also off the top of my head, I'd say Barnes and Turner are better backup 3's.

[Richie]

Sorry, but that's beyond stupid. An opponent PER of 8.1 is excellent, period. The numbers could only be disregarded if the sample size was too small. It's not. Danny Green is an excellent defender of NBA SFs without qualification.

Where are you getting your numbers? Does he have an opponent PER of 8.1 against all players? Just players playing at the 3? Backups or starters? Is this including the opponent is effectively a 2 guard playing as a small ball 3?

With few exceptions, any time the Spurs play a team with a serious threat at SF Kawhi defends them. Context is important with all stats, no stat can ever be declared excellent without qualification.

[Mel_13]

Where are you getting your numbers? Does he have an opponent PER of 8.1 against all players? Just players playing at the 3? Backups or starters?

With few exceptions, any time the Spurs play a team with a serious threat at SF Kawhi defends them. Context is important with all stats, no stat can ever be declared excellent without qualification.

Yes, Leonard is the starting SF and Green is the backup SF.

This particular discussion, which you started, was about Green as a backup SF.

Since the numbers were against all SFs, that would include starters and reserves. Since the number is excellent overall, it stands to reason that it's even better when he guards reserves.

I got the stats from 82games.com, which is a much better source for information on the qualities of NBA basketball players than "off the top of your head".

:lol @ barnes as a better SF than Green.

[cd021]

At best, Green has average size for a small forward, but I'd say he's more likely below average. Especially when you consider you'd be asking him to defend players who are freakishly big like Lebron and Durant.

That's not to say size is the be all and end all, Iguodala is just a bit bigger than Green for example, but I just don't rate Green that highly when it comes to defending bigger players. He is however excellent at defending players his size and smaller.

Also off the top of my head, I'd say Barnes and Turner are better backup 3's.

Turner isn't really a good starting 3. A bad defender and a high volume scorer who can't shoot the 3. Every season he has been a net negative player (the team is essentially worse off when he is on the floor) The Pacers took a gamble on his talent, because their bench has underperformed even with the additions of Watson, Scola and Copeland. They absolutely need a bench of some kind for a deep run.

Green is a better backup SF than him and probably Harrison Barnes as well.

[Mel_13]

Turner isn't really a good starting 3. A bad defender and a high volume scorer who can't shoot the 3. Every season he has been a net negative player (the team is essentially worse off when he is on the floor) The Pacers took a gamble on his talent, because their bench has underperformed even with the additions of Watson, Scola and Copeland. They absolutely need a bench of some kind for a deep run.

Green is a better backup SF than him and probably Harrison Barnes as well.

:lol

I thought he meant Matt Barnes, but Danny is better backup SF than Harrison as well.

[Richie]

Yes, Leonard is the starting SF and Green is the backup SF.

This particular discussion, which you started, was about Green as a backup SF.

Since the numbers were against all SFs, that would includes starters and reserves. Since the number is excellent overall, it stands to reason that it's even better when he guards reserves.

I got the stats from 82games.com, which is a much better source for information on the qualities of NBA basketball players than "off the top of your head".

:lol @ barnes as a better SF than Green.

I'd trade Green for Barnes in a heartbeat.

82games says Green has a better opponent PER than Kawhi. Do you think Green is a better defender at the 3 than Kawhi? Harrison Barnes also has a better opponent PER at the 2 than Green, is Barnes a better defender of 2 guards than Green?

These stats are too simple to be used so authoritatively. They only take in to account the PER of the player they are guarding at the time in which the statistician decides the player is playing in that position. There's nothing to say whether the player Green is guarding when he is in that position is actually a small forward.

For example if we're playing the Rockets and Green is on the floor with Parker and Manu, it may be assumed that he is playing as the SF. However if the Rockets are playing Harden and Garcia at the 2 and 3, Green would almost certainly guarding Harden and Manu guarding Garcia. There's simply not enough information in these statistics to make the sweeping generalisations you are making.

Much more useful would be the net difference in the opponents PER while be guarded by the player in question when compared to being guarded by other players.

[Mel_13]

I don't know if you're trolling or clueless, but you're all over the place.

Good night, Richie.

:flag:

[Richie]

Turner isn't really a good starting 3. A bad defender and a high volume scorer who can't shoot the 3. Every season he has been a net negative player (the team is essentially worse off when he is on the floor) The Pacers took a gamble on his talent, because their bench has underperformed even with the additions of Watson, Scola and Copeland. They absolutely need a bench of some kind for a deep run.

Green is a better backup SF than him and probably Harrison Barnes as well.

I think it's tough to compare a player in a winning situation like Green to someone in a losing situation like Turner. Evan Turner is a more talented player though and may have the chance to prove himself in a better situation.

We'll have to agree to disagree about Harrison Barnes, I think the kids showed some flashes of real talent in the series against us. With the right team he could be a legit #2 or #3 option.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Danny Green has been great. But I think the Spurs seek him to be a defensive swing-man, sometimes guarding SGs and even PGs rather than SFs who are Kawhi's assignments. In a small ball lineup, Green might be asked to guard SFs but if say that the opposing lineup has Stephen Curry or a Chris Paul or a Dwyane Wade, Green might be given those assignments. IN that case/ scenario, there needs to be another backup SF for defensive purposes and who is also Kawhi insurance.

As things stand, with the only three options being MWP, Earl Clark and Danny Granger... the last mentioned with playoff nous, experience seems to be the better choice and fit than the first two.

I envisage a situation where the lineup on the floor could be TP, Manu, Green, Leonard, Duncan which could be backed up by Mills, Belinelli, Granger, Diaw & Splitter. That should be a great 10 man rotation that the Spurs can live with in the playoffs against possibly any team.

Granger could be useful spot up shooter at the corners and at the top of the key and perhaps if he rehabs well, could recover some of his separation and the off-the-bounce shots. He could also post-up against smaller lineups and be useful as a defensive substitution. There are a few ways when even a hobbled Granger could serve as the Kawhi insurance/backup well enough.

[Chinook]

Trading Green for Barnes would slam the window shut. He's one of the best defenders in the league--yes, better than Leonard. Actually Green is the Splitter to Leonard's Duncan. He does a ton of yhe dirty work that allows Leonard to freelance. Difference is Danny picks up a good number of steals and blocks himself. There are VERY few players who'd be a net upgrade from him, and they're all making the max, or are going to.

[Mel_13]

Harrison Barnes also has a better opponent PER at the 2 than Green

Not true. Not even close.

Good night, Richie.

:flag:

[Richie]

I don't know if you're trolling or clueless, but you're all over the place.

Good night, Richie.

:flag:

Fair enough, I'm pretty tired and reading that last post back it is somewhat confusing. Put simply, I don't think the statistic necessarily says what you think it says.

[Mel_13]

Fair enough, I'm pretty tired and reading that last post back it is somewhat confusing. Put simply, I don't think the statistic necessarily says what you think it says.

No statistic tells the whole story, but in the absence of hours and hours of direct observation, they have to suffice. In the case of Green as a backup SF, the numbers support extensive observation. If you're honest, you have to admit that you've put forth precious little to support your initial position that Green is too small to play backup SF or that the PER numbers do not generally reflect the reality on the court.

[Richie]

Trading Green for Barnes would slam the window shut. He's one of the best defenders in the league--yes, better than Leonard. Actually Green is the Splitter to Leonard's Duncan. He does a ton of yhe dirty work that allows Leonard to freelance. Difference is Danny picks up a good number of steals and blocks himself. There are VERY few players who'd be a net upgrade from him, and they're all making the max, or are going to.

Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of Danny Green (while accepting he is a limited player) but he's just a 3&D guy. He can't do anything else on the offensive end except shoot 3's. You don't need to spend the max to upgrade on him.

[Richie]

No statistic tells the whole story, but in the absence of hours and hours of direct observation, they have to suffice. In the case of Green as a backup SF, the numbers support extensive observation. If you're honest, you have to admit that you've put forth precious little to support your initial position that Green is too small to play backup SF or that the PER numbers do not generally reflect the reality on the court.

My opinion is based on simply watching basketball. By the statistic you quoted Green has a better opponent PER than Leonard at the SF position (8 v 16), but that's not what I see when I watch the games. That alone leads me to think of it as a flawed statistic.

I've looked but I don't see anything on how these stats are calculated by the website. Im sure it's the best that is available to fans, but that still doesn't mean it is very useful.

[Mel_13]

Danny Green has been great. But I think the Spurs seek him to be a defensive swing-man, sometimes guarding SGs and even PGs rather than SFs who are Kawhi's assignments. In a small ball lineup, Green might be asked to guard SFs but if say that the opposing lineup has Stephen Curry or a Chris Paul or a Dwyane Wade, Green might be given those assignments. IN that case/ scenario, there needs to be another backup SF for defensive purposes and who is also Kawhi insurance.

As things stand, with the only three options being MWP, Earl Clark and Danny Granger... the last mentioned with playoff nous, experience seems to be the better choice and fit than the first two.

I envisage a situation where the lineup on the floor could be TP, Manu, Green, Leonard, Duncan which could be backed up by Mills, Belinelli, Granger, Diaw & Splitter. That should be a great 10 man rotation that the Spurs can live with in the playoffs against possibly any team.

Granger could be useful spot up shooter at the corners and at the top of the key and perhaps if he rehabs well, could recover some of his separation and the off-the-bounce shots. He could also post-up against smaller lineups and be useful as a defensive substitution. There are a few ways when even a hobbled Granger could serve as the Kawhi insurance/backup well enough.

I really like your posts and I agree with your conclusion that Granger would be a better choice to serve as Kawhi insurance. I differ with you on his usefulness alongside Kawhi in the small ball situations you describe.

If Miami, for example, goes Bosh/LeBron/Battier/Wade/Chalmers or Bosh/LeBron/Battier/Allen/Wade. As I read your post, I believe you suggest Duncan/Leonard/Granger/Green/Parker in response. I still see Duncan/Leonard/Green/Manu/Parker as the best response. Green can still guard Wade and leave Battier for Manu.

It would, however, be great to have the option of using Granger, and he would be a great insurance policy against injury to any of our wings.

[Mel_13]

My opinion is based on simply watching basketball.

Well, we're going to have to leave it there. You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

When you can support that opinion with any reasonable source, I'd be happy to extend the conversation.

[Chinook]

Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of Danny Green (while accepting he is a limited player) but he's just a 3&D guy. He can't do anything else on the offensive end except shoot 3's. You don't need to spend the max to upgrade on him.

Green isn't just a 3&D guy. Green is the best 3&D guy. He's not just a spot-up shooter on O. He can put pressure on the defense by moving without the ball. He moves around the three-point line better than anyone of the team. He also does a lot of little things on offense like set screens, boxing out, calling out rotations, etc. Not to mention defense is half the damned game. Keeping the opponent from scoring is just as good as scoring yourself, even better when you're a role-player. Danny's hard to upgrade from. Beli showed that being better at scoring doesn't make for a better starting two. 10ppg from Danny is worth 18ppg from another guard.

[Robz4000]

The more I think about it the more I think the Spurs are waiting on Butler and only Butler. They've had interest in him as lately as last season/two seasons ago. Unfortunately he'll more than likely join the Heat if he's bought out and could fill the Mike Miller role. Once that happens the Spurs prolly resign Brown (sigh...) and settle into their playoff rotation from last year, which is still good enough to win but it'll be tougher than last year.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I really like your posts and I agree with your conclusion that Granger would be a better choice to serve as Kawhi insurance. I differ with you on his usefulness alongside Kawhi in the small ball situations you describe.

If Miami, for example, goes Bosh/LeBron/Battier/Wade/Chalmers or Bosh/LeBron/Battier/Allen/Wade. As I read your post, I believe you suggest Duncan/Leonard/Granger/Green/Parker in response. I still see Duncan/Leonard/Green/Manu/Parker as the best response. Green can still guard Wade and leave Battier for Manu.

It would, however, be great to have the option of using Granger, and he would be a great insurance policy against injury to any of our wings.

Thanks.

By no means am I suggesting that Granger is going to be anybody's replacement in the scheme of things. He is at best a supplement and a possible injury replacement.

The Spurs' chances are predicated upon health and matchups and are delicately balanced. With Manu's injury history, this year's injury woes for most of our wings and the lack of an adequate SF/PF backup (with an overburdened Green), it is best to have a decent option just in case. And here's why Granger, despite regression, is suited.

Relatedly, I think Granger could conceive of a situation where he might face his own (erstwhile) team in the NBA finals if the Pacers do overcome the Heat. And he is best placed to do so either with the Thunder or the Spurs. I think he might prefer the latter.

[benefactor]

Wow...some of those takes by Richie.

[callo1]

Granger is being bought out, per prosportsdaily.

Jake Pavorsky JakePavorsky The Sixers will indeed buyout Danny Granger, per source.

I bet we hear about a Spurs move by Wednesday at the latest.

[SpursFan86]

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[elemento]

Utah probably ! They love him there.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Hearing Charlie Villanueva, if he reaches buyout with Pistons, wouldn’t mind latching on with Rockets.
— Gery Woelfel (@GeryWoelfel) February 24, 2014 (https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/statuses/438006756095324160)

[Mel_13]

Thanks.

By no means am I suggesting that Granger is going to be anybody's replacement in the scheme of things. He is at best a supplement and a possible injury replacement.

The Spurs' chances are predicated upon health and matchups and are delicately balanced. With Manu's injury history, this year's injury woes for most of our wings and the lack of an adequate SF/PF backup (with an overburdened Green), it is best to have a decent option just in case. And here's why Granger, despite regression, is suited.

Relatedly, I think Granger could conceive of a situation where he might face his own (erstwhile) team in the NBA finals if the Pacers do overcome the Heat. And he is best placed to do so either with the Thunder or the Spurs. I think he might prefer the latter.

:toast

Granger and the Spurs seem like a very good fit.

[SpursFan86]

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Ehh...this definitely makes me less thrilled at the idea of landing him.

[cd021]

:lol

I thought he meant Matt Barnes, but Danny is better backup SF than Harrison as well.

He should have clarified but I assumed Harrison.

[palangi]

Utah probably ! They love him there.
while he is a deity here in utah (by idiot byu fans) there is no way the jazz will sign him. That would put way too much pressure on trey burke. The idiots would clamor for him to play more over burke, eventually running him out of town. This is the same fan base that wouldn't even let him go to class and he had to drop out of school because of this.

[Jwash_1986]

438331253129875456

Ehh...this definitely makes me less thrilled at the idea of landing him.
That don't sound to good. Th knees ain't no joke. The Pacers don't strike me as a disloyal organization. I wonder if this is true?

[Mel_13]

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Picked 5 spots ahead of Kawhi:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2011.html

[Mel_13]

MIAMI, FL, FEBRUARY 25 – The Miami HEAT announced today that they have signed guard DeAndre Liggins to a 10-day contract from their NBA Development League affiliate, the Sioux Falls Skyforce. Per club policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.
http://www.nba.com/heat/news/heat-signs-deandre-liggins

[look_at_g_shred]

MIAMI, FL, FEBRUARY 25 – The Miami HEAT announced today that they have signed guard DeAndre Liggins to a 10-day contract from their NBA Development League affiliate, the Sioux Falls Skyforce. Per club policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.
http://www.nba.com/heat/news/heat-signs-deandre-liggins
Liggins plays the 3? How many spots do they have open now?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

So we can cross MIA off the list

[Mel_13]

Liggins plays the 3? How many spots do they have open now?

None right now, but that won't stop them from signing a buyout player. Liggins can be waived before the 10 days are up if need be.

[heyheymymy]

I envisage a situation where the lineup on the floor could be TP, Manu, Green, Leonard, Duncan which could be backed up by Mills, Belinelli, Granger, Diaw & Splitter. That should be a great 10 man rotation that the Spurs can live with in the playoffs against possibly any team.

great post and I must say I've been really enjoying your takes as of late. Naturally, Mel_13's takes are always gold, and I liked Chinkook's line about danny green being the best 3 and D, I agree with that and it was a pretty good perspective that I haven't looked at that way before.

This thread's been great between all the good takes and solid coverage. Nice work ST.

[cjw]

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The dude can flat out shoot. If it means cutting Baynes to add a second buyout guy, I'm all for it. I see him going to a team where he'll get minutes to earn a contract this offseason though and don't see that here.

If I had to pick a team, he'd be a perfect fit in Memphis who have some awful floor spacing.

[heyheymymy]

Wanted to say though, spursfanfromafar, I'd prob guess Pop would switch manu with beli so he could get manu's ball handling/distribution in the bench lineup. He's been trying beli alot in the starting lineup this year and I think mills needs the help.

[Mel_13]

OT, but not threadworthy:



The Thunder got their starting lineup back for the first time in weeks against the Heat. But they only got to have it for a half, as Kendrick Perkins will miss up to six weeks after having a successful procedure on a strained left groin, the team announced Tuesday. Perkins was injured early in the third quarter while setting a screen. He immediately exited the game and did not return. The Thunder started rookie Steven Adams in his place against the Clippers on Sunday and will likely stick with him as the starter until Perk returns. Adams has shown flashes of being a stellar big man, but he’s raw and inexperienced. The six week timetable puts Perk returning right at the end of the regular season. A little scary, but it’s also a big opportunity for Adams.

The Thunder are 0-3 in games this season without Perk.

http://dailythunder.com/2014/02/kendrick-perkins-out-up-up-six-weeks-with-groin-strain/

[Spursfanfromafar]

Wanted to say though, spursfanfromafar, I'd prob guess Pop would switch manu with beli so he could get manu's ball handling/distribution in the bench lineup. He's been trying beli alot in the starting lineup this year and I think mills needs the help.

I think Manu & Belinelli play very well together. They have some kinda sixth sense going between them. Will be used in mid-game lineups against a tired opposition, IMO.

[palangi]

The more I think about it the more I think the Spurs are waiting on Butler and only Butler. They've had interest in him as lately as last season/two seasons ago. Unfortunately he'll more than likely join the Heat if he's bought out and could fill the Mike Miller role. Once that happens the Spurs prolly resign Brown (sigh...) and settle into their playoff rotation from last year, which is still good enough to win but it'll be tougher than last year.
I would suggest not thinking for a little while then

[Baam]

Still think Villanueva could be one of the best (as in "best of the worst") signing at this point... Could space the floor for Splitter off the bench...

[cd98]

438323916642459648

I could actually see him going to NY. That's where he's from and they can use his outside shooting. Also, the Knicks don't play defense, so he'd fit right in. They were highly interested in drafting him his junior year, but he stayed in school.

[Mugen]

I could actually see him going to NY. That's where he's from and they can use his outside shooting. Also, the Knicks don't play defense, so he'd fit right in. They were highly interested in drafting him his junior year, but he stayed in school.

Would also make sense since Felton will now be going to jail for a couple of years tbh.

[BatManu20]

Finally Jimmer is getting out of Sactown. Needs to go to a team like PHX where he can help space the floor in a fast space offense. Too bad he plays zero D.

[Baam]

Charlie V torching Bonner (and others), blocking Kawhi and TP lol, exactly one year ago :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l_WiPcSg74

[look_at_g_shred]

Pop wants someone who will provide defense for us, Clark has been inconsistent on that end. Maybe that's why there has been no interest show on our part. Just a thought.

[Baam]

Pop wants someone who will provide defense for us, Clark has been inconsistent on that end. Maybe that's why there has been no interest show on our part. Just a thought.

How can we be sure of that, it was only reported that they tried to sign Davis so far...

[Mel_13]

Pop wants someone who will provide defense for us, Clark has been inconsistent on that end. Maybe that's why there has been no interest show on our part. Just a thought.

We really know absolutely nothing about what player, if any, the Spurs may sign to fill the 15th roster spot. Recent history suggests that the slot will be filled, even if only with an extra body for practices.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Pop wants someone who will provide defense for us, Clark has been inconsistent on that end. Maybe that's why there has been no interest show on our part. Just a thought.

Pop said that?

[benefactor]

Baam has to be someone's troll. There's no other legit explanation.

[look_at_g_shred]

Pop said that?
We obviously know this because it's pop. I'm sure he doesn't someone here that will play 0 defense. It kinda goes without saying.

[Spur|n|Austin]

We obviously know this because it's pop. I'm sure he doesn't someone here that will play 0 defense. It kinda goes without saying.

Ayers & Bonner say hi.

[BatManu20]

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[Dex]

:lmao Telfair signing coming in 3...2....

[DesignatedT]

:lmao Telfair signing coming in 3...2....

....?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1829/jimmer-fredette

i'm not into the spurs going back to loading up on guards. but jimmer seems kinda spursy?

[Chinook]

I believe whoever signs Freddette gets him as a RFA in the off-season. So that's intriguing if the team feels he could be a long-term fit.

[look_at_g_shred]

Ayers & Bonner say hi.
oh you got me.

[Mel_13]

I believe whoever signs Freddette gets him as a RFA in the off-season. So that's intriguing if the team feels he could be a long-term fit.

How so?

[mienhmario]

I believe whoever signs Freddette gets him as a RFA in the off-season. So that's intriguing if the team feels he could be a long-term fit.


Damnit, just religiously pursue granger. Knee issues or not, he can provide us some offensive and defensive dimensions that will take this tream to a whole another level
Granger = championship

[Chinook]

How so?

He'd have three or fewer accrued seasons and would not be coming off a rookie-scale contract in which his fourth-year option was not picked up. If he had stayed with the Kings, he'd be unrestricted. But since he was (will be) waived, he's just like any other player. I think.

[Dex]

....?

Fits the Spurs MO of signing washed-up, undersized guards.

[mienhmario]

I have seen granger plays and will fit the spurs very well since pacers run him in the offense similar to the spurs. Granger is like slower kawhi due to injuries but with better offensive skills and much more reliable shooting abilities.

Granger on defense is almost excellent due to his height advantage over his opponent. He is like kawhi but taller.

I hope spurs are doing whatever they can to bring him aboard regardless if it's over the salary cap or not. They owe way too much to Duncan.

[Mel_13]

He'd have three or fewer accrued seasons and would not be coming off a rookie-scale contract in which his fourth-year option was not picked up. If he had stayed with the Kings, he'd be unrestricted. But since he was (will be) waived, he's just like any other player. I think.

If true, that's an interesting wrinkle.

[Mel_13]

I have seen granger plays and will fit the spurs very well since pacers run him in the offense similar to the spurs. Granger is like slower kawhi due to injuries but with better offensive skills and much more reliable shooting abilities.

Granger on defense is almost excellent due to his height advantage over his opponent. He is like kawhi but taller.

I hope spurs are doing whatever they can to bring him aboard regardless if it's over the salary cap or not. They owe way too much to Duncan.

Except when you measure those abilities by the frequency with shots go through the basket.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Memphis, I'm told, has indeed emerged as an interested suitor for @jimmerfredette (https://twitter.com/jimmerfredette/) once he clears waivers. But there will surely be others


Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Word is Grizzlies are among teams that have pursued @jimmerfredette (https://twitter.com/jimmerfredette/) in past trade discussions with Sacramento dating to last season

[Mel_13]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Memphis, I'm told, has indeed emerged as an interested suitor for @jimmerfredette (https://twitter.com/jimmerfredette/) once he clears waivers. But there will surely be others


Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Word is Grizzlies are among teams that have pursued @jimmerfredette (https://twitter.com/jimmerfredette/) in past trade discussions with Sacramento dating to last season






Makes sense. They're dead last in 3 point attempts and 25th in 3 point percentage.

[Hoops Czar]

Jimmer Fredette doesn't play a lick of defense. After the love obsession with Belinelli, no wonder Spurs fans seem so intereseted. Oh, and the Spurs need another guard like a hole in te head.

[Baam]

Jimmer Fredette doesn't play a lick of defense. After the love obsession with Belinelli, no wonder Spurs fans seem so intereseted. Oh, and the Spurs need another guard like a whole in te head.

Fredette is possibly the best shooter in the NBA and there's the backstory with Kawhi that'd make a reunion pretty cool but with Mills and Beli on the roster we don't need him at all...

[Obstructed_View]

Jimmer Fredette fits right in on the Spurs



of 2010.

[Jwash_1986]

Charlie V torching Bonner (and others), blocking Kawhi and TP lol, exactly one year ago :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l_WiPcSg74
Lookin at that video makes me respect Mills showing up to camp this season in shape. But Charlie V. would be nice addition. I don't much overall about his game so can't speak to much on him.

[Andthentherewas21]

^ if you don't know much about his game, how can you come to the conclusion that he would be a nice addition?

[dbestpro]

Jimmer can be an option if the Spurs feel Mills will be too costly to resign.

[cd021]

Green isn't just a 3&D guy. Green is the best 3&D guy. He's not just a spot-up shooter on O. He can put pressure on the defense by moving without the ball. He moves around the three-point line better than anyone of the team. He also does a lot of little things on offense like set screens, boxing out, calling out rotations, etc. Not to mention defense is half the damned game. Keeping the opponent from scoring is just as good as scoring yourself, even better when you're a role-player. Danny's hard to upgrade from. Beli showed that being better at scoring doesn't make for a better starting two. 10ppg from Danny is worth 18ppg from another guard.

I think his play on the RRT illustrates that. He must have hit 5 or 6 pull up 3's after catching the ball in transition. His defenders weren't expecting him to do it.

[Mugen]

I hope Jimmer finds a good situation. Just not on the Spurs tbh.

[cd021]

Would also make sense since Felton will now be going to jail for a couple of years tbh.

#Freefelton:lol

better hope his judge isn't a Knicks fan. He could literally throw the book at him

[Mugen]

#Freefelton:lol

better hope his judge isn't a Knicks fan. He could literally throw the book at him

Weapons possession in NYC. He'll be getting Plaxico's old cell tbh.

[cd021]

Congrats to OKC.

Perkins out 6 weeks with a groin injury.

His net rating was -16 in 20 mpg. P.E.R of 6.2 and true FG%-46%

makes Ayers advanced numbers look fantastic.

If OKC starts Durant at the 4 and Ibaka at the 5 we could be screwed come playoff time

[ace3g]

Matthew R Tynan @Matthew_Tynan
(https://twitter.com/Matthew_Tynan)There’s that RT @WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/): Y! Sources: The New York Knicks are pursuing a deal with free agent forward Earl Clark. yhoo.it/1o3Ud5z (http://t.co/EsgHGzm7UI)


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[Robz4000]

:lol thats that

[Baam]

Congrats to OKC.

Perkins out 6 weeks with a groin injury.

His net rating was -16 in 20 mpg. P.E.R of 6.2 and true FG%-46%

makes Ayers advanced numbers look fantastic.

If OKC starts Durant at the 4 and Ibaka at the 5 we could be screwed come playoff time

Hm Duncan posting up Ibaka and Diaw posting up Durant are good matchups for us, Perkins is terrible on offense but he's underrated on D.

[Robz4000]

Perkins always gives the Spurs loads of trouble. He'll be back for a potential playoff matchup tho.

[timtonymanu]

Matthew R Tynan @Matthew_Tynan
(https://twitter.com/Matthew_Tynan)There’s that RT @WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/): Y! Sources: The New York Knicks are pursuing a deal with free agent forward Earl Clark. yhoo.it/1o3Ud5z (http://t.co/EsgHGzm7UI)


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Ughhhh

[Mel_13]

WC Finals are about 12 weeks away. If we play OKC, Perkins will be back by then.

[Spur|n|Austin]

WC Finals are about 12 weeks away. If we play OKC, Perkins will be back by then.

Groins can be tricky - I wouldn't be surprised to see him out more time to get extended rest, but who knows.

[Budkin]

Why the fuck would Earl Clark want to go to the Knicks....

[benefactor]

:lol Spurs
:lol would rather play midget ball
:lol Austin Daye as the SF/PF solution

[Mel_13]

Matthew R Tynan @Matthew_Tynan
(https://twitter.com/Matthew_Tynan)There’s that RT @WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/): Y! Sources: The New York Knicks are pursuing a deal with free agent forward Earl Clark. yhoo.it/1o3Ud5z (http://t.co/EsgHGzm7UI)


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Says a lot about his standing in the league if he winds up with Knicks. Unless he wanted to be there (he's a Jersey kid who would have grown up watching the Knicks).

[Spur|n|Austin]

Why the fuck would Earl Clark want to go to the Knicks....

New York, New York, tbh

[Chinook]

The fact that the Knicks are the best Clark can do is not an endorsement to the league-wide perception of his value. I guess the Spurs could be all-in on Granger and may revisit World Peace as a last resort.

[Chinook]

Says a lot about his standing in the league if he winds up with Knicks. Unless he wanted to be there (he's a Jersey kid who would have grown up watching the Knicks).

:lol Pretty much what I just said.

[Mel_13]

:lol Pretty much what I just said.

:lol

[benefactor]

I guess the Spurs could be all-in on Granger
Being serious...this is my assumption as well.

[DPG21920]

Spurs had better be damn confident that Granger will be bought out by March 1st.

[Mel_13]

During Pop's shootaround interview he gave the distinct impression that the Spurs had no interest in the players that were already available to be contacted.

[Mel_13]

Spurs had better be damn confident that Granger will be bought out by March 1st.

Or that Clark was not worth signing under any circumstances.

[Mugen]

Shame. Earl would have been the 4th best big on the team and given spot minutes behind Kawhi.

[td4mvp2k]

:lol spurfan n der hi hopes...

[Bruno]

Clark is still a young player and his interest is to go a team where he can showcase his skills to get a god new contract. Spurs, and their lack of available PT, wouldn't have been a good pick for him. And that's assuming Spurs were even interested in him to begin with.

My guess is that Spurs will go after Granger, if he is indeed bought out, and have a good shot at getting him. However, I wouldn't great expectations about him. The bottom line is that Pacers decided to go with Turner, a flawed player that is new to their team, over him.

[szkorhetz]

Jimmer will be bought out too. Could be an amazing fit in OKC.

[BatManu20]

Could be complete BS, but says Spurs are "interested" in Beno Udrih

http://fansided.com/2014/02/25/nba-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-interested-beno-udrih/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co#!xxIoI

[Mugen]

Sign Beno and I pull a TPark tbh.

[Mel_13]

That article doesn't even pretend to say that there is legit source connecting Beno to the Spurs. More speculation based on nothing.

[DesignatedT]

dp

[DesignatedT]

Jimmer will be bought out too. Could be an amazing fit in OKC.

:lol

[look_at_g_shred]

During Pop's shootaround interview he gave the distinct impression that the Spurs had no interest in the players that were already available to be contacted.
You think that he would give any clue to them being interested if they were? Not being sarcastic.

[Obstructed_View]

Sign Beno and I pull a TPark tbh.

Even I don't think Pop's stupid enough to sign Beno.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Spurs "very interested" in Udrih

:lol..
http://fansided.com/2014/02/25/nba-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-interested-beno-udrih/#!xxQ0T



Teams are always looking for point guard depth, so the recently released
Beno Udrih (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/udrihbe01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-fansided.com)
should have no trouble finding a home after being waived by the
New York Knicks (http://bucketsoverbroadway.com/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=InPost)
.
One such team who is said to be showing heavy interest are the San Antonio Spurs (http://airalamo.com/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=InPost) and Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/chat/nba-rumors-chat-with-steve-kyler-22414/) hears San Antonio is the team he hears most linked to potentially signing Udrih.

The Spurs are the team I hear mentioned the most. I know Washington tried to sign him this summer, but with the arrival ofAndre Miller (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millean02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-fansided.com) that’s not nearly the pressing need it was.

The Spurs have been playing Patty Mills quite a bit lately (though he’s played well) and could be looking for some backcourt insurance, especially given their rash of injuries the past few months.
San Antonio is relatively familiar with Udrih (and vice versa) considering the veteran spent his first three seasons with the organization.
A signing is not imminent, though, it appears the Spurs do have some of the most heavy interest in Udrih.
The Spurs are also said to be interested in Metta World Peace (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/artesro01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-fansided.com).

[look_at_g_shred]

Beno, dear god no.

[monkeypunk]

Why send out a pg who is younger and can actually pass for someone is fat, lazy and a shitty player?

No way Pop does that...

[SpursFan86]

So we finally got rid of one of our excess guards...and now we're highly interested in going out and signing another?

I'll be so frustrated if we sign Beno.

[DisAsTerBot]

if we sign a PG, what does that say about Tony's condition?

[ace3g]

Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer
(https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer)Anticipating a buyout from the Sixers, Danny Granger's camp views San Antonio as the small forward's top choice to sign with, per source.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer
(https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer)Anticipating a buyout from the Sixers, Danny Granger's camp views San Antonio as the small forward's top choice to sign with, per source.



Giddy up

[BatManu20]

Granger! Make it happen

[BatManu20]

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[spurraider21]

Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer
(https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer)Anticipating a buyout from the Sixers, Danny Granger's camp views San Antonio as the small forward's top choice to sign with, per source.




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inb4 spurs sign Udrih

[GB20]

Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer
(https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer)Anticipating a buyout from the Sixers, Danny Granger's camp views San Antonio as the small forward's top choice to sign with, per source.


wow! that would be nice if we get Danny

[BatManu20]

:lol chill

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhSLysGIgAAd3Za.png

[look_at_g_shred]

inb4 spurs sign Udrih
LOLOL

[heyheymymy]

Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer
(https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer)Anticipating a buyout from the Sixers, Danny Granger's camp views San Antonio as the small forward's top choice to sign with, per source.




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here we go!:flag:

[Seventyniner]

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Before anyone asks, the buyout is not complete yet. Thus the Spurs cannot have any official interest due to tampering rules. Not that the Spurs would leak such interest even after the buyout though.

[Ditty]

http://uboachan.net/yn/src/1360549114983.gif

[Dex]

I still don't see the incentive for the Sixers to buy him out, when they can just sit his un-happy ass on the bench and let him walk for free this summer (or use him for a possible sign and trade). It's not like one more unhappy guy in the locker room could make that shit show any worse.

Most rational people acting in self interest won't spend for something when they can get more for nothing.

[Dex]

438439510141960192

:pctoss Better take off your shoes and get comfortable, this shit's going to 50 pages!

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm fine with adding Granger, as long as he doesn't get more than 10 MPG, tbh..

[timtonymanu]

Of course, this is gonna drag out. :lol

[Blizzardwizard]

Eh, would he take the limited money available? The Clippers and their unlimited roster spots will probably swoop in and get him at the last minute. However if this was to happen, Jeff Ayres would get a game winning block on him in the WCF.

[heyheymymy]

sounds like he wants spurs and the buyout will take place. starting to feel like the diaw situation.

[ace3g]

Diaw was waived 2 days before deadline in 2012

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7717314/charlotte-bobcats-waive-boris-diaw-agreeing-contract-buyout

[Seventyniner]

:pctoss Better take off your shoes and get comfortable, this shit's going to 50 pages!

Pretty much. It's looking like it could drag on until Friday or even Saturday.

[Ice009]

438439510141960192

:pctoss Better take off your shoes and get comfortable, this shit's going to 50 pages!

What do they mean by "late this week"? Isn't that too late if it's after Friday?

When you get bought out, do you still get put on waivers? How does the March 1st deadline work for playoff eligibility?

[jiggy_55]

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Q: How do you copy the tweet in this format?

[bklynspursfan]

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[Dex]

Q: How do you copy the tweet in this format?

Every tweet on Twitter has a number. You can find this in the URL of the tweet if you view it directly (which you can do by clicking on the date the tweet was posted).

To post, use the following tags...

[ tweet ]Tweet Number Goes Here[ /tweet ]

...without the spaces.

[Richie]

438436644211798016

With rest and our injury problems, he'll be able to get 20mpg for the rest of the regular season.

[Dex]

With rest and our injury problems, he'll be able to get 20mpg for the rest of the regular season.

Not to mention Pop might even throw him some minutes at Center.

[look_at_g_shred]

So if he wants to assure he gets playing time, he has to talk to Pop and Co. right? Is he allowed to do that now, or after he is bought out??

[Texas_Ranger]

I can see Granger would get at least 20 minutes. He'd get all the backup minutes at SF and probably play a PF in small ball lineups. If he does come I think Mills's minutes will drop, cause Manu will probably take the backup PG role.

[moisaenz]

So if he wants to assure he gets playing time, he has to talk to Pop and Co. right? Is he allowed to do that now, or after he is bought out??

I do not see pop guaranteeing playing time.

[Darius Bieber]

I do not see pop guaranteeing playing time.

I agree. T-Mac wasn't guaranteed anything when he was offered a spot on the Spurs. If I remember correctly, the Spurs were on a losing record and things didn't look bright..

[Mel_13]

If he requires an assurance of PT, there's no way he signs with San Antonio.

[jiggy_55]

Every tweet on Twitter has a number. You can find this in the URL of the tweet if you view it directly (which you can do by clicking on the date the tweet was posted).

To post, use the following tags...

[ tweet ]Tweet Number Goes Here[ /tweet ]

...without the spaces.

Thanks! Just tested it, hence the DA tweet below.

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[Mugen]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sixers, Danny Granger still in discussions on buyout, per sources. Granger must be on a team&#39;s roster by Sat. to be postseason eligible.</p>&mdash; David Aldridge (@daldridgetnt) <a href="https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/statuses/438408673145417728">February 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

nailed it.

[jiggy_55]

nailed it.

Fixed it haha. That was a test using twitter's "embed tweet" feature but it doesn't work here.

[monkeypunk]

If he requires an assurance of PT, there's no way he signs with San Antonio.

Pop will always say that you have to earn your playing time, so if a guarantee is what he wants, a Clipper he will be...

[Beaverfuzz]

Thanks! Just tested it, hence the DA tweet below.

438441682619867136

Welcome to Houston Granger! :whine

[heyheymymy]

why is it going to take all week for the buyout? hope it gets done in time.

[Mugen]

Fixed it haha. That was a test using twitter's "embed tweet" feature but it doesn't work here.

:tu

[Spursfanfromafar]

If he requires an assurance of PT, there's no way he signs with San Antonio.

If the assurance of PT is in the regular season, yes, SAS is an easy 'yes' option. Granger will get plenty of time in the regular season to show his wares on the Spurs. Even during SPAM, Pop will regulate minutes to get some and more for Granger.

But if he seeks an assurance of PT in the post-season, then, no, SAS will give him little/no guarantee.

[Chinook]

Even if Pop were reasonably certain Granger would get the PT he wants, he'd never promise it to him. Pop just doesn't do that, and with good reason.

[Mel_13]

If the assurance of PT is in the regular season, yes, SAS is an easy 'yes' option. Granger will get plenty of time in the regular season to show his wares on the Spurs. Even during SPAM, Pop will regulate minutes to get some and more for Granger.

But if he seeks an assurance of PT in the post-season, then, no, SAS will give him little/no guarantee.

It may be logical to assume that regular season will be available, but Pop has not given assurances in the past.

[benefactor]

You can bet Granger has done his homework on the Spurs via Hill and gotten the skinny on the team and Pop. If he signs he will know exactly what he's getting into.

[Spursfanfromafar]

It may be logical to assume that regular season will be available, but Pop has not given assurances in the past.

Indeed. I agree. But I think Pop will let it known to Granger that he will have ample time to show that he belongs in the regular season.

I am calling it. Granger joins the Spurs later this week. All indications are pointing towards that.

[Mel_13]

You can bet Granger has done his homework on the Spurs via Hill and gotten the skinny on the team and Pop. If he signs he will know exactly what he's getting into.

This.

Granger is a 10 year vet and a smart guy. He has a pretty good idea what every possible destination is like in terms of culture, coaching, and expectations. Anything more he ever needed to know about the Spurs, Pop, and Duncan he would have been able to get from Hill and Hibbert.

[Mel_13]

Indeed. I agree. But I think Pop will let it known to Granger that he will have ample time to show that he belongs in the regular season.

I am calling it. Granger joins the Spurs later this week. All indications are pointing towards that.

I hope you're right about Granger's choice, but we'll probably never know what was said between Pop and DG.

[ace3g]

Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel
(https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel)Bucks and Raymond Brothers, agent for Caron Butler, in discussions to buy out Butler's contract.

[Mel_13]

Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel
(https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel)Bucks and Raymond Brothers, agent for Caron Butler, in discussions to buy out Butler's contract.



Miami bound.

[TheGoldStandard]

Pop will always say that you have to earn your playing time, so if a guarantee is what he wants, a Clipper he will be...

What did Ayres do to earn his playing time?

[TD 21]

I don't see the Clippers or Thunder guaranteeing him more than the roughly 10-12 mpg he'd get with the Spurs. And unlike the Spurs, who naturally play ten and could just give him Ayres' minutes, those teams play nine, so they'd have to remove someone from their rotation to make room.

With Davis set to take the third big minutes for the former and Fisher ranking as the second best three-point shooter (not insignificant, considering Durant is the only other clearly above average one on the team) for the latter, there isn't really an obvious opening. Dudley, Adams and maybe Lamb, would be most at risk, but none are guarantees.

The way these things usually work is, the team mentioned most frequently ends up with the player and in this case, that is unequivocally the Spurs. As bad as he's looked, he basically missed a season and a half, so I wouldn't write him off entirely. Unfortunately, whatever his best is at this point probably won't be known until next season. But even in his current state, he's as good of insurance as could have been expected and will give them the option of starting Diaw and playing small, if the starting lineup (when healthy) continues to look broken offensively or if they're in a small ball series.

[look_at_g_shred]

What did Ayres do to earn his playing time?
:pop: he's a blue collar guy cut from the same cloth as Tiago....Dammit where's my wine!!

[monkeypunk]

What did Ayres do to earn his playing time?

He ran faster than Baynes and Bonner in practice which is all he needed to do to earn time in our limited front court rotation.

[Clipper Nation]

I don't see the Clippers or Thunder guaranteeing him more than the roughly 10-12 mpg he'd get with the Spurs.

:lol Why do people keep saying this when he'd only have to beat out rookie Reggie Bullock, Jared Scrubley, and Matt Barnes for minutes in LA? Hell, it wouldn't be a surprise if he ended up starting for us with how bad we've been at SF...

[Uriel]

The interest in both parties is mutual! Oh God, please RC, let this happen.

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[TD 21]

:lol Why do people keep saying this when he'd only have to beat out rookie Reggie Bullock, Jared Scrubley, and Matt Barnes for minutes in LA? Hell, it wouldn't be a surprise if he ended up starting for us with how bad we've been at SF...

Bullock is not in the rotation, Barnes has seen an uptick in his three-point shooting recently (and ranks as the closest thing they have to a wing stopper) and Dudley, as underwhelming as he's been, is a slightly better three-point shooter and if not flat out better defensively, then no worse.

Like I said, maybe he takes Dudley's spot, but even then, when Redick returns, they'll play plenty of three-guard lineups, in order to get Redick and Crawford the minutes they deserve and to somewhat cover up their weakness at SF.

[Hoops Czar]

Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel
(https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel)Bucks and Raymond Brothers, agent for Caron Butler, in discussions to buy out Butler's contract.



You can just ship his ass to OKC as we speak.

[Mugen]

:lol Jared Ayres tbh. He's been awful this season.

[Clipper Nation]

Bullock is not in the rotation, Barnes has seen an uptick in his three-point shooting recently (and ranks as the closest thing they have to a wing stopper) and Dudley, as underwhelming as he's been, is a slightly better three-point shooter and if not flat out better defensively, then no worse.

Bullock gets spot minutes here and there, Barnes has played better since the trade deadline but still should be coming off the bench, and Scrubley has been awful at every aspect of basketball this year while making excuses for why he's out-of-shape, tbh....