2014 Spurs Summer League Thread

[xmas1997]

I wonder if a secondary reason Dayes and Ayres are in the Spurs summer league is to generate interest from other teams for a possible 2 for 1 trade?
With the emergence of Green, this would be a distinct possibility. It seems like Green is hands above both at this point.

[bluebellmaniac]

I wonder if a secondary reason Dayes and Ayres are in the Spurs summer league is to generate interest from other teams for a possible 2 for 1 trade?
With the emergence of Green, this would be a distinct possibility. It seems like Green is hands above both at this point.

Yeah, but then teams would sign Green instead of them. But I agree, I think it is to generate interest from teams. Unfortunately, Ayers has just flopped and killed any chance a team would be interested in him.

[TheGoldStandard]

We need to trade Boylen to a team and then he'll make sure that team gets hampered with Ayres.. they're like a package couple.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Anderson is an intriguing and unique prospect who with a little fine tuning could prove to be really useful in the future. If he can work on his jumper and continues to play the point he'll be getting up shots against smaller PG and SG easily which will no doubt cause bigger defenders to switch on to him which will really disrupt the opposition's way of playing if they are forced to bring bigger players out to the perimeter.

Yes! This will be very fun to watch this year. If Pop is willing to play him at the point, it will create some interesting matchups for the opposing team's defense.

[mingus]

Kyle Anderson is going to be a damn good player down the road. I see him as a point-forward. I think as soon as next season the Spurs can use him.

[Richie]

The more I watch Anderson from Summer League, the worse he looks defending the perimeter. Just don't see him getting any serious time as a wing this year, if he can put on some weight hopefully he'll see some time at Power Forward.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I don't see any of their cases as being remotely similar.

my bad you're right. they're all just inexperienced, monster wingspan players. That's where i get confused, i never could even find LJC's hand measurement. I'm sure it doesn't compare. Plus, they don't all have an obvious "natural knack" for basketball excellence. For some reason, i always think there's a correlation between freakish wingspan/hand measurement and the ability to excel in the NBA.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

my bad you're right. they're all just inexperienced, monster wingspan players. That's where i get confused, i never could even find LJC's hand measurement. I'm sure it doesn't compare. Plus, they don't all have an obvious "natural knack" for basketball excellence. For some reason, i always think there's a correlation between freakish wingspan/hand measurement and the ability to excel in the NBA.

Oh and you know what, Antetokounmpo isn't even inexperienced anymore. He's had a whole season of NBA ball. So yeah, my bad.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Oh and you know what, Antetokounmpo isn't even inexperienced anymore. He's had a whole season of NBA ball. So yeah, my bad.

Antetokounmpo was a 15th pick. LJC is a 28th pick. Many 28th picks don't ever make it in the NBA, much less get to play in the first year. Add to that Milwaukee usually sucks so a 15th pick is much more likely to contribute on a shitty team than a 28th pick is likely to contribute on, in retrospect, the best team in the league, and arguably one of the best teams in history.

[littlecoyotecoin]

For those of you at work, etc: tvembed

[Chinook]

my bad you're right. they're all just inexperienced, monster wingspan players. That's where i get confused, i never could even find LJC's hand measurement. I'm sure it doesn't compare. Plus, they don't all have an obvious "natural knack" for basketball excellence. For some reason, i always think there's a correlation between freakish wingspan/hand measurement and the ability to excel in the NBA.

That's weak comparison. You may as well have said they're all black.

They play different positions. They have different experiences as pros. They were discovered in different ways. They have dramatically different floors/ceilings.

So what exactly do Antetokounmpo and Caboclo tell you about Jean-Charles? That you should stash him? That you shouldn't? That he was a draft steal? That he was a reach? I can't tell, because the answers to those questions vary dramatically among these three prospects.

[Texas_Ranger]

I hope Errors fouls out quickly

[SpursFan86]

Nice chasedown block by KA.

[SpursRock20]

KA with a nice chase down block.

[SpursRock20]

I hope Errors fouls out quickly
Thought that they couldn't foul out?

[DPG21920]

That was a fantastic pass by Exum.

[SpursRock20]

4 turnovers already

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

That ref should be fucking fired dude was sliding and moving and in the fucking restricted zone

[BatManu20]

Ayers

[FkLA]

Ayers looks like a scrub even vs Summer League competition. :lol

[Texas_Ranger]

Thought that they couldn't foul out?

Now they can.

[Captivus]

that block!

[Texas_Ranger]

Errors is one pathetic piece of shit....

[objective]

Way to hustle Ayres. Trot slowly and then foul after it's too late.

[Captivus]

Exum looking really good.
I want more KA.

[BatManu20]

I pretty much just want to see Daye, Anderson, and Green tbh. Morris is solid but his inability to shoot will keep him from ever playing for us.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Green just has to get a solid 15-18 foot shot and he should get an NBA shot. I think he might have one now but he's not confident enough to shoot it.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

And Thomas is a scorer. His stats have been mediocre this summer league but he's had some unlucky bounces.

[SpursRock20]

Daye's shots are so short.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Daye's shots are so short.

Yes, multiple shots in summer league have been off the front of the rim. He looks like he has put on weight. Maybe his legs are fatigued.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Daye has been pulling that chair all week

[DPG21920]

Daye's attitude and body language look terrible today IMO - might just be reading into it.

[TheGreatYacht]

Rey might be the biggest scrub I've ever seen

[SpursFan86]

Daye's attitude and body language look terrible today IMO - might just be reading into it.

I've been thinking the same thing.

[manufan10]

Spurs have been really careless with the ball.

[TheGreatYacht]

Daye's looking like he doesn't want to be there. Doesn't play defense, chucking up stupid shots, not helping his teammates when they're doubled...

Leave it to Udoka's dumb ass to keep playing these two fuckboys

[FkLA]

SloMos head is huge tbh.

[Captivus]

Did KA said which position he likes to play? PG?

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Daye don't got it today take him out Udoka!

[DPG21920]

:lmao Daye with the terrible miss then fake sore wrist grab.

[Mal]

Lol Daye

[BatManu20]

Daye doing what Daye does, being inconsistent.

[SpursRock20]

Daye is terrible. Can't hit a shot and won't move a muscle on the defensive end of the court. Liking Cotton though, looks a lot like Mills out there.

[BatManu20]

Dat vert on Cotton doe

[manufan10]

I really want to see Daye succeed, but the only thing he's been successful at is shooting bricks so far.

[Rito3d30]

Daye is selfish as FUK:nope

[BatManu20]

First time I've seen Deshaun Thomas dunk tbh

[littlecoyotecoin]

Daye's attitude and body language look terrible today IMO - might just be reading into it.

Whatever the case, it's been his worst game so far. Tries to make up for an airball with a dumb foul, and another miss. Someone needs to tell him three negatives don't make a positive. He's made a few good passes and drawn a couple fouls, a little D, but not much else.

[ace3g]

Thomas dunk, then Daye pull up 3

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

DAYE'S GOT A KILLER INSTINCT!!!!

[r0drig0lac]

dayerk nowitzky

[BatManu20]

There you go Daye

[ace3g]

Daye again

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

And lol @ Murphy

[ace3g]

Still want to see Gaddefors get some more minutes

[Mal]

Daye in Kobe Bryant mode

[TheGreatYacht]

Leave it to a white guy to miss a layup :/

[Mal]

:lmao useless chucker

[DPG21920]

Not today so much, but the majority of SL, Daye has done a lot of good things if you don't look at makes/misses. He's shown great tools offensively but hasn't shot well.

Shooting well is important, but outside of today, he's done good things. Problem is, that's what got him drafted and he's never put it together. If he can get his shot going consistently and play with energy he would have carved out a good bench player career.

[Captivus]

Thomas cant play next season..right?

[spursfan4ever]

I would hope the Spurs can somehow get their hands on Rudy Gobert. He's had a great summer with the Jazz summer team.

[Mal]

Not today so much, but the majority of SL, Daye has done a lot of good things if you don't look at makes/misses. He's shown great tools offensively but hasn't shot well.

Shooting well is important, but outside of today, he's done good things. Problem is, that's what got him drafted and he's never put it together. If he can get his shot going consistently and play with energy he would have carved out a good bench player career.

He cant shoot every time he got the ball. Thats not what Pop wants to see.

[BatManu20]

Hopefully KA gets some more touches in the second half.

[FkLA]

He cant shoot every time he got the ball. Thats not what Pop wants to see.

Its Summer League. Im sure Daye is chucking bc he has the green light. The Spurs want to see what guys that will be on the team can do not have them move the ball around to get other scrubs shots.

[Blizzardwizard]

No Ryan Richards again :cry

[littlecoyotecoin]

He cant shoot every time he got the ball. Thats not what Pop wants to see.

Hate to defend him all the time, but let's not exaggerate. He is probably 2nd, 3rd, or 4th in assists on the team. And, at least once, I think he led in assists. He's shooting a lot when he's open, but he's not exactly selfish.

[manufan10]

Hopefully KA gets some more touches in the second half.
Needs to stay out of foul trouble.

[ace3g]

nice start to 2nd half

[manufan10]

Its Summer League. Im sure Daye is chucking bc he has the green light. The Spurs want to see what guys that will be on the team can do not have them move the ball around to get other scrubs shots.
That's what I'm thinking as well. Similar to Neal.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Daye has shown more effort on defense so far

[manufan10]

They've picked it up defensively, which is nice to see. Daye having a strong start so far.

[littlecoyotecoin]

He must of heard us.

[ElNono]

det core tho :lol

[manufan10]

Nice finish by Cotton.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

These refs have it out for Anderson

[Mal]

"Spurs play is best thing that happend to NBA in last 10 years" or something like that. Utah is trying to go Spurs path

[DPG21920]

:lol Typical Ayres defense. Thinks just raising your arms is sufficient. Doesn't jump, doesn't contest, doesn't rebound, just puts hands in the air like he don't care.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

8 seconds in the key

[manufan10]

How was that not 3 seconds? :lol

[Rito3d30]

everytime Ayres makes a shitty play, RC's feels like :hang

[Purch]

Exum just scored the game is over for you guys now

[Darius McCrary]

anyone got a link to the game?????

[Darius McCrary]

:lol Typical Ayres defense. Thinks just raising your arms is sufficient. Doesn't jump, doesn't contest, doesn't rebound, just puts hands in the air like he don't care.

That's what Rasho used to do and he stayed starter for 2 seasons or so

[RD2191]

Daye 4-14? damn

[Texas_Ranger]

That's what Rasho used to do and he stayed starter for 2 seasons or so

lol. Rasho is fucking Hakeem compared to this shit.

[Darius McCrary]

lol. Rasho is fucking Hakeem compared to this shit.
lolol
but its true, he'd stand still with both hands up and make the same exact face every time some athlete scored right in his face

[BanditHiro]

good lord what the fuck is with that Blue guy

[BanditHiro]

this team sucks.

[Texas_Ranger]

lolol
but its true, he'd stand still with both hands up and make the same exact face every time some athlete scored right in his face

Rasho was at least a great shot blocker, this guy is great at getting fouls.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

I agree. They clearly drafted Exum to be their bench leader, much like Manu Ginobili.

[jyra]

Nice to see KA running the Hammer play.

[BatManu20]

Cotton with the nice pass

[manufan10]

So it wasn't a foul when Anderson got screened, but that was a foul on Daye? :lol

[ElNono]

Ayres > Favors :wakeup

[manufan10]

Ayres with the matador defense.

[emanueldavidginobili]

where can i watch this game its not on Frontrow for some reason reason

[ElNono]

there's no bonus in SL?

[BackHome]

Terrible defense by Errors and Daye

[BanditHiro]

good lord ayers...first he doesn't call the screen out so Anderson gets killed by the screen and than he does that ole bullshit he loves to do.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Good on Anderson for knowing he missed Ayres there

[ace3g]

big 3 from KA

[BackHome]

I heard a lot of talk about how bad Errors is on offense but O'MY GOD his defense is terrible...

[ace3g]

Thomas 3

[BanditHiro]

whoever offense on Ayers

[SpursFan86]

Ayres is so fucking bad. I just can't wrap my head around how someone who's played in the NBA for several years can be this bad in the SL.

[DPG21920]

Does the ball hit KA's butt on his shot? He brings it back so damn far..

[BackHome]

Does Udoka want us to win or loose this game?

[moisaenz]

ayres better get cut and someone else on this summer squad should get a shot

[manufan10]

I like Green's energy.

[Rito3d30]

KA's shooting motion kinda remind me of Bird

[SpursFan86]

I really hope Green gets a shot to make the team...we could really use his hustle and rebounding IMO. If only we didn't have Ayres...

[BackHome]

Yeah as soon as he got in he got a rebound and put back shot.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Why has KA only played 12 minutes?

[Rito3d30]

KA has 1.....1 fuking single shot attempt:lmao

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Why has KA only played 12 minutes?
Refs targeting him...

[SpursFan86]

Why has KA only played 12 minutes?

Foul trouble. You can foul out with 6 fouls now at this point.

[BackHome]

Looking at Green I think he could guard most SF and smaller PF pretty easily.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Anderson has closed out too hard a lot this game

[BackHome]

Man Anderson can not guard from the perimeter to slow.

[ElNono]

nice clutch pump fake by ka

[SpursFan86]

Great move by KA. Pump fake, spin, and then another pump fake to draw the foul.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I really hope Green gets a shot to make the team...we could really use his hustle and rebounding IMO. If only we didn't have Ayres...


The Spurs can still amnesty Ayres' sorry ass. Why they haven't done so is the million dollar question.

[Rito3d30]

finally a gd play by KA

[jbspurs]

What happened to Ryan Richards? How come he's not seating on Spurs bench anymore?

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

If the team chokes this I'll be so mad

[manufan10]

The Spurs can still amnesty Ayres' sorry ass. Why they haven't done so is the million dollar question.

They can't amnesty him.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

BANG

[manufan10]

Good ball movement to get Cotton that open corner 3.

[SpursFan86]

Great play right there. Good shit

[ElNono]

BANG

[Mal]

Guys are playing some Spurs basketball after all. Nice to see.

[BanditHiro]

woot. going to the Quarter Finals

[ChumpDumper]

That's two games where Morris screwed up in crunch time then redeemed himself the next play.

[BackHome]

What happened to Ryan Richards? How come he's not seating on Spurs bench anymore?

He signed and left to play with his team in Europe.

[Mal]

Udoka`s assistent, white guy with beard, is Matt Nielsen ?

[TheGreatYacht]

KA fucked around and sent Jabari and Exum fishing

[Chinook]

Morris had the play of the game fouling Malcolm Thomas.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Looks like Daye just chucked a bunch of shots up again

[ace3g]

Spurs play the winner of Heat/Wizards

[TheGreatYacht]

"I know I was missing early but I gotta stay aggressive" ... Ahhhhh Daye with the Gary Neal mentality

[BackHome]

Anderson missed a couple of easy shots but I think once they get him in the weight room that will help him finish those.

I guess the Spurs are keeping Errors cause he is a nice guy but man his defense is worse then his offense.

Green better get a camp invite.

That Blue guy no chance of making the team but would not mind if he on the Toros he has a fast first step. Needs to add 15 pds of muscle and work on his outside shooting.

[look_at_g_shred]

When's the next game?

[raybies]

Anyone looking for a Finals rematch in summer league?lol

[Chinook]

Spurs play the winner of Heat/Wizards


Last year, I really wanted the Spurs to play Miami in the summer league. But now that they aren't a threat, I don't care. I'd rather see Anderson/Daye try their hands against Otto Porter.

[SpursFan86]

Spurs play the winner of Miami/Washington on Saturday. Not sure what time.

[jbspurs]

He signed and left to play with his team in Europe.




That explains why they didn't even let him play a single game. Hopefully, He develops his skills in Europe and be ready next time around. Thanks for the info!

[Russ]

Spurs play the winner of Miami/Washington on Saturday. Not sure what time.

According the chart on page 46 of this thread, it should be at 7:00 p.m. Vegas time or 9:00 p.m. SA time.

[objective]

Anderson looked absurdly slow on several perimeter defensive plays. Hood had zero problem going right by him like he was playing against a propped up corpse.

[SpursFan86]

Anderson looked absurdly slow on several perimeter defensive plays. Hood had zero problem going right by him like he was playing against a propped up corpse.

Part of it looked like Anderson trying to be careful not to foul him since he had been in foul trouble all game. I'm assuming you're referring to some of those plays in the 4th quarter.

[murpjf88]

Idoku is pretty much a clown's clown. He said we would see less and less of Ayres and Daye yet Daye led the way with 29 minutes and Ayres had 20. I'm not sure if Ime understands the concept and purpose of SL.

[Chinook]

Idoku is pretty much a clown's clown. He said we would see less and less of Ayres and Daye yet Daye led the way with 29 minutes and Ayres had 20. I'm not sure if Ime understands the concept and purpose of SL.

Do you understand it? I think Udoka is handling the rotations very well so far.

[murpjf88]

Do you understand it? I think Udoka is handling the rotations very well so far.

The question is do you? I don't need to see players who've presumably already made the roster, take developmental time/minutes away from players who need to showcase their skills for a chance at a camp invite either with the Spurs or another team.. Ayres and Daye have a roster spot in waiting. Winning SL games is secondary to development.

[Russ]

Idoku is pretty much a clown's clown. He said we would see less and less of Ayres and Daye yet Daye led the way with 29 minutes and Ayres had 20. I'm not sure if Ime understands the concept and purpose of SL.

I'm not sure Udoka is in charge of player minutes on this squad.

[murpjf88]

I don't need to see players that have already failed countless times at the NBA level trying to dominate in SL.

[Chinook]

The question is do you? I don't need to see players who've presumably already made the roster, take developmental time/minutes away from players who need to showcase their skills for a chance at a camp invite either with the Spurs or another team.. Ayres and Daye have a roster spot in waiting. Winning SL games is secondary to development.

That's what I mean. The SL is to develop players on the roster. It's not to showcase players who aren't going to get a spot. Daye, Ayres and Anderson are being rightfully featured, and team prospects like Cotton, Denmon and Thomas are getting the next level of minutes. That's how it's supposed to work. And Udoka is even rewarding players who exceed expectations like Morris and Green by giving them a lot of time as well. Hell, Darius even started.

Udoka is doing exactly what he's supposed to.

[manufan10]

I don't need to see players that have already failed countless times at the NBA level trying to dominate in SL.

:lol It doesn't matter who/what you want to see. Obviously Pop and RC want to see these guys, and that's why they're there.

[xmas1997]

It may be that they want to showcase Daye and Ayers for a future 2 for 1 trade.
That would open a spot on the roster for Green.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Idoku is pretty much a clown's clown. He said we would see less and less of Ayres and Daye yet Daye led the way with 29 minutes and Ayres had 20. I'm not sure if Ime understands the concept and purpose of SL.

Can you tell me how many minutes were lost due to Anderson's foul trouble? And, if you don't play your veteran guys for stability, given the loss of Anderson, how many minutes would be lost for the new players if they got bounced from the tourney?

[Obstructed_View]

Exactly. I believe we will actually see how good he is once he plays with a few NBA players.
Shame Mills is injured, having a shooter like him playing with KA would have been great to see.

I agree. Even having him parked on the baseline will be far more productive when he has a team full of guys who actually pass the ball that direction. The only one I see making those passes is Kyle.

[Chinook]

Anyone else noticing the crawl on NBATV has completely wrong stats for the Spurs game?

[Obstructed_View]

I've changed my mind on Green. He's a really good athlete with a great motor, but he can't shoot and he's not actually a good defender. He's gotten blown by more often than Anderson by inferior players.

[Obstructed_View]

Daye's new nickname is "mini mamba", tbh.

[murpjf88]

That's what I mean. The SL is to develop players on the roster. It's not to showcase players who aren't going to get a spot. Daye, Ayres and Anderson are being rightfully featured, and team prospects like Cotton, Denmon and Thomas are getting the next level of minutes. That's how it's supposed to work. And Udoka is even rewarding players who exceed expectations like Morris and Green by giving them a lot of time as well. Hell, Darius even started.

Udoka is doing exactly what he's supposed to.

Well, I think it does. IIRC, Leonard only played in 2/5 summer league games in 2012. I'm not sure a couple of failed NBA players are going to show much resolve in SL. If anything, it's showing that Ayres isn't an NBA caliber player and Daye is nothing more than end of the bench fodder with an inconsistent to bad jump shot. I used the word "presumably" in my post with the hopes those two would be pushed by other summer league invites. Don't get caught up in the numbers. They've stuck up the joint. They really don't have much more to prove other than, not being very good at their job.

[Chinook]

I've changed my mind on Green. He's a really good athlete with a great motor, but he can't shoot and he's not actually a good defender. He's gotten blown by more often than Anderson by inferior players.

Yeah, I was thinking about that. I'm curious about Thomas though. I think he has shown enough over the last two years to say he'll get a spot on an NBA team this season. I don't think he'll allow himself to get stashed again.

So the Spurs have three options. They can let him go to camp and waive him in hopes he makes it to the d-league. They can make room for him on the roster by getting rid of Ayres/Daye/Baynes. Or they can try to get an asset for his rights. It's going to be interesting to see what happens.

[TheGoldStandard]

Daye's new nickname is "mini mamba", tbh.

Yeah that 5/15 statline was pure kirby

[Obstructed_View]

Well, I think it does. IIRC, Leonard only played in 2/5 summer league games in 2012. I'm not sure a couple of failed NBA players are going to show much resolve in SL. If anything, it's showing that Ayres isn't an NBA caliber player and Daye is nothing more than end of the bench fodder with an inconsistent to bad jump shot. I used the word "presumably" in my post with the hopes those two would be pushed by other summer league invites. Don't get caught up in the numbers. They've stuck up the joint. They really don't have much more to prove other than, not being very good at their job.

Kawhi hurt his wrist and they sent him home, if memory serves. I've said this in other places, but Ayres plays much more conservatively when he's on the Spurs because his job is just to fill time for his teammates to get some rest.

[murpjf88]

Can you tell me how many minutes were lost due to Anderson's foul trouble? And, if you don't play your veteran guys for stability, given the loss of Anderson, how many minutes would be lost for the new players if they got bounced from the tourney?

This is the summer league and you're talking about veteran guys. Neither Daye or Ayres are stabilizers. Daye is playing his own little game trying to dominate and takeover at a level and against competition he can compete against. What does Anderson's foul trouble have to do with anything?

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah that 5/15 statline was pure kirby

It's just the constantly jacking up jumpers, particularly threes. Of course he gets assists because eventually nobody thinks he's going to pass the ball.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah, I was thinking about that. I'm curious about Thomas though. I think he has shown enough over the last two years to say he'll get a spot on an NBA team this season. I don't think he'll allow himself to get stashed again.

I really like DT as a basketball player. I think if he develops a legit three pointer, he can have an NBA career. Like I've said before, he's going to have to become elite at something to make up for his deficiencies, and his jumper is not far off. If the Spurs are really looking for someone to hit that corner three, maybe he's the best prospect on the SL team.

[Chinook]

Well, I think it does. IIRC, Leonard only played in 2/5 summer league games in 2012. I'm not sure a couple of failed NBA players are going to show much resolve in SL. If anything, it's showing that Ayres isn't an NBA caliber player and Daye is nothing more than end of the bench fodder with an inconsistent to bad jump shot. I used the word "presumably" in my post with the hopes those two would be pushed by other summer league invites. Don't get caught up in the numbers. They've stuck up the joint. They really don't have much more to prove other than, not being very good at their job.

First, it doesn't matter if you don't like it. That doesn't stop it from being the point of summer league. Leonard only played two games because he was a starter on a team that made it to the WCF. The team had a plan for him to get a few reps as the first option. Meanwhile, Joseph played the whole league for both that and the next summers.

Ask yourself this: Do you see any other teams who are using their rotations how you want them to? Because I don't. I see everyone doing exactly what Udoka os doing.

[SpursFan86]

I've changed my mind on Green. He's a really good athlete with a great motor, but he can't shoot and he's not actually a good defender. He's gotten blown by more often than Anderson by inferior players.

I mean I'd just like him as an Ayres replacement. "Can't shoot and not a very good defender" is a description that fits Ayres as well. Only difference is that Green seems to have a much better motor and rebounding skills. I'd imagine he has better hands as well considering Ayres has some of the worst hands out of any NBA player I've ever seen.

I'll admit though...me wanting Green is more about how bad Ayres is rather than how good Green is :rolleyes

[Obstructed_View]

I mean I'd just like him as an Ayres replacement. "Can't shoot and not a very good defender" is a description that fits Ayres as well. Only difference is that Green seems to have a much better motor and rebounding skills. I'd imagine he has better hands as well considering Ayres has some of the worst hands out of any NBA player I've ever seen.

I'll admit though...me wanting Green is more about how bad Ayres is rather than how good Green is :rolleyes
I understand the frustration with Ayres, but he's a much better defender than anyone on this Spurs' team. He's done more things right than wrong so far this summer, but consider the competition. You have to think Matt Bonner would be close to a double double in the same minutes. I'm getting tired of saying I'm glad he's got this chance to play without judgment or punishment and try to improve his game, because he's likely stuck here for this season.

[SpurPadre]

I understand the frustration with Ayres, but he's a much better defender than anyone on this Spurs' team. He's done more things right than wrong so far this summer, but consider the competition. You have to think Matt Bonner would be close to a double double in the same minutes. I'm getting tired of saying I'm glad he's got this chance to play without judgment or punishment and try to improve his game, because he's likely stuck here for this season.

I'm with you in that it's better for Ayres to get this opportunity to improve his game but at some point PATFO have to realize he is who he is: a bad recommendation from Boylen. If they can find a better alternative, hopefully they can cut their losses with him.

[littlecoyotecoin]

This is the summer league and you're talking about veteran guys. Neither Daye or Ayres are stabilizers. Daye is playing his own little game trying to dominate and takeover at a level and against competition he can compete against. What does Anderson's foul trouble have to do with anything?

Like it or not, they are a veteran influence running the offense and anchoring the D. Even though I am in agreement with everyone else about Ayres, he knows the system. He's not good at executing it. But, he knows it. Daye had a much better second half. He wasn't trying to dominate anyone hitting the floor securing steals. And, without his second half, they don't bide time as well until Anderson gets back in, helping them to the win. Without the win, they get bounced, and the other scrubs don't get to play any more, which was the whole premise of your bitching about Udoka in the first place, that he wasn't getting the "other guys" enough minutes. In Anderson's absence, in a tight game, he played the guys that had the best chance of securing them the win to get to the next round so that you can see more of your "other guys". You should be thanking him.

[Russ]

I look at Daye like Green a couple years ago.

A talented player who underperformed his draft position.

He needs a come to Jesus moment like Green had when both Pop and Roy Williams told him his future was in the balance.

Daye has as much or more potential than Green.

[Chinook]

I look at Daye like Green a couple years ago.

A talented player who underperformed his draft position.

He needs a come to Jesus moment like Green had when both Pop and Roy Williams told him his future was in the balance.

Daye has as much or more potential than Green.

I really dislike that comparison. Green and Daye are completely different cases for too many reasons to be enumerated again.

[elemento]

Don't wanna sound negative, but from the games I've seen so far, none of the "new" guys deserve a spot in the team. When Neal was the surprise of the SL and got a spot with the team, he was automatic from deep. He shot 50%FG and 50% from 3p. Those guys are missing wide open 3s and none of them have shown anything special defensively.

[Russ]

I really dislike that comparison. Green and Daye are completely different cases for too many reasons to be enumerated again.

If you don't want to explain the reasons yourself, please point me to someone else's explication of your sentiment.

[SpurPadre]

Don't wanna sound negative, but from the games I've seen so far, none of the "new" guys deserve a spot in the team. When Neal was the surprise of the SL and got a spot with the team, he was automatic from deep. He shot 50%FG and 50% from 3p. Those guys are missing wide open 3s and none of them have shown anything special defensively.

Are you including Anderson? I've only read the box scores so I'm dying to know.

[murpjf88]

First, it doesn't matter if you don't like it. That doesn't stop it from being the point of summer league. Leonard only played two games because he was a starter on a team that made it to the WCF. The team had a plan for him to get a few reps as the first option. Meanwhile, Joseph played the whole league for both that and the next summers.

Ask yourself this: Do you see any other teams who are using their rotations how you want them to? Because I don't. I see everyone doing exactly what Udoka os doing.

Actually, I don't watch summer league games that don't involve the Spurs. I'll have to take your word on that. I would think most teams would be playing rookies and SL invites, not failed veterans though, I haven't looked over all the rosters to be sure. In any event, it doesn't really matter because one team's motives/agenda will differ from another. The only thing that remains a constant is "development".

You're right. I don't have to like it and that's why I spoke up. Ayres and Daye will be in camp so their development will continue (or end). I'd rather see other players afforded the same opportunity to get a camp invite. FYI, Ayres and Daye aren't providing the Spurs staff with anything they didn't already know. It's pointless to watch Daye out there, trying to dominate in SL and look so bad doing it in the process. If Ayres has proven anything, it's why is he receiving playing time in the NBA and making more than the league minimum. Hopefully, there wasn't a hidden agenda behind the scenes to showcase these two gems because it clearly backfired.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Daye just doesn't have it and he never looks like he wants it.

I haven't seen him run full-speed once this entire Summer League. If anybody challenges his drive attempt, he's gonna quit in the middle of it and not try to finish the shot.

His potential is great, but he lacks the will to realize the height of it. It's a shame. I was/am really pulling for him, but it doesn't look like he can put it together mentally.


My boy Bryce Cotton is gonna work hard and become a player though!

[elemento]

Are you including Anderson? I've only read the box scores so I'm dying to know.

No, I am only talking about the guys fighting for a spot. KA has already a spot. So does Ayres, unfortunately.

[Russ]

Cleveland eliminated by Houston tonight.

Have we seen Wiggins' last game in a Cavs uniform?

[SpurPadre]

No, I am only talking about the guys fighting for a spot. KA has already a spot. So does Ayres, unfortunately.

Yeah, I wish we had Malcolm Thomas back instead of Ayres. As for Anderson, is he as slow as he's been made out to be? I've read that his defense does not look that great so far.

[murpjf88]

Like it or not, they are a veteran influence running the offense and anchoring the D. Even though I am in agreement with everyone else about Ayres, he knows the system. He's not good at executing it. But, he knows it. Daye had a much better second half. He wasn't trying to dominate anyone hitting the floor securing steals. And, without his second half, they don't bide time as well until Anderson gets back in, helping them to the win. Without the win, they get bounced, and the other scrubs don't get to play any more, which was the whole premise of your bitching about Udoka in the first place, that he wasn't getting the "other guys" enough minutes. In Anderson's absence, in a tight game, he played the guys that had the best chance of securing them the win to get to the next round so that you can see more of your "other guys". You should be thanking him.

Interesting choice of words when referring to the "other guys". It was one of those "other guys" or scrubs that clinched the game. Not one of your infallible, unflappable veterans or stabilizers. Both Daye and Ayres were pretty bad on both ends of the floor.

[Russ]

Daye just doesn't have it and he never looks like he wants it.

I haven't seen him run full-speed once this entire Summer League. If anybody challenges his drive attempt, he's gonna quit in the middle of it and not try to finish the shot.

His potential is great, but he lacks the will to realize the height of it. It's a shame. I was/am really pulling for him, but it doesn't look like he can put it together mentally.

The problem is, tall slender guys like Anderson and Daye either look (1) slow or (2) like they aren't trying.

It's an optical illusion folks.

Tayshaun Prince faced the same criticism and became a key piece to Detroit's title team.

Gervin looked slow, never looked like he was breaking a sweat, but he's in the HOF.

And, no, I'm not saying Anderson or Daye will be as good as either of the above.

But Anderson for sure and Daye quite possibly will be key guys in very good Spurs teams down the road.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Interesting choice of words when referring to the "other guys". It was one of those "other guys" or scrubs that clinched the game. Not one of your supposed veterans or stabilizers. Both Daye and Ayres were pretty bad on both ends of the floor.

It's a team. Someone else made a play. Good. Daye also swung that ball to an open Cotton for three. Etc. Daye and Ayres sit out the whole time Anderson was out, that one play you refer to would have been meaningless, likely, because they would have been down by significantly more at the end of the game. Because you don't recognize their contributions, doesn't mean there were none.

[TXstbobcat]

Cleveland eliminated by Houston tonight.

Have we seen Wiggins' last game in a Cavs uniform?

I work with a bunch of Timberwolves fans are hoping that's the case.

[Obstructed_View]

Don't wanna sound negative, but from the games I've seen so far, none of the "new" guys deserve a spot in the team. When Neal was the surprise of the SL and got a spot with the team, he was automatic from deep. He shot 50%FG and 50% from 3p. Those guys are missing wide open 3s and none of them have shown anything special defensively.

I don't think that's particularly negative. Nobody's been a stand-out. Probably just as well. The only two guys to have big performances in summer league that I remember are Neal and Tolliver, and both got contracts. Neither turned out to be particularly valuable.

Of the three guys that we figure are logically guaranteed a spot on the team at camp, Anderson is the only one who's a sure thing. I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs' camp invites go to guys on other SL teams. I guess Cotton is going to get a year in Austin for sure based on his contract, but I don't understand financials enough to know for sure.

[TheGoldStandard]

What if Ayres is re-signed again after his deal expires and if more than a minimum deal?

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I was thinking about that. I'm curious about Thomas though. I think he has shown enough over the last two years to say he'll get a spot on an NBA team this season. I don't think he'll allow himself to get stashed again.

So the Spurs have three options. They can let him go to camp and waive him in hopes he makes it to the d-league. They can make room for him on the roster by getting rid of Ayres/Daye/Baynes. Or they can try to get an asset for his rights. It's going to be interesting to see what happens.Waived to the Toros. The way he scores isn't going to work that well in the NBA and he doesn't do anything else. As was said, the only thing that's really going to get him in is a three point shot.

They can try to make Cotton another Mills in Austin.

Denmon? Probably not.

Green? Not going to dislodge Ayres or Daye without some amazing camp.

Morris? A known NBA quantity by comparison. Needs a three pointer, but that might be easier to come by in the real Spurs offense -- he's shot fairly well on other teams. This was his sloppiest game, but he is the kind of versatile guard with size the Spurs are always looking for. The sheer amount of time he spent at the point hints that he might be getting some consideration.

[Baam]

I don't think that's particularly negative. Nobody's been a stand-out. Probably just as well. The only two guys to have big performances in summer league that I remember are Neal and Tolliver, and both got contracts. Neither turned out to be particularly valuable.

Of the three guys that we figure are logically guaranteed a spot on the team at camp, Anderson is the only one who's a sure thing. I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs' camp invites go to guys on other SL teams. I guess Cotton is going to get a year in Austin for sure based on his contract, but I don't understand financials enough to know for sure.

Neal hit a season saving shot and scored 20+ pts in a Finals game, if he didnt turn out to be particularly valuable then not many player ever do I guess...

[anakha]

What if Ayres is re-signed again after his deal expires and if more than a minimum deal?

The forum database collapses under the weight of several hundred simultaneous posts complaining about the signing.

[Obstructed_View]

The problem is, tall slender guys like Anderson and Daye either look (1) slow or (2) like they aren't trying.

It's an optical illusion folks.

Tayshaun Prince faced the same criticism and became a key piece to Detroit's title team.

Gervin looked slow, never looked like he was breaking a sweat, but he's in the HOF.

And, no, I'm not saying Anderson or Daye will be as good as either of the above.

But Anderson for sure and Daye quite possibly will be key guys in very good Spurs teams down the road.

Disagree. If that were the case, then every player of that size would look slow. Durant is longer and doesn't look like he's jogging up the floor. Daye almost never plays hard, and he's got to know that he's playing for his life at this point. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe there will always be a euroleague team that will pay him to half-ass it and dominate the little white guys.

[Chinook]

If you don't want to explain the reasons yourself, please point me to someone else's explication of your sentiment.

I'll cliff-notes it. Green was taken 30 picks after Daye. He got cut by a new administration and proceeded to put up strong numbers in the d-league. He caught on with the Spurs and didn't stick until Pop and Williams told him to focus. He was a starter by his third year, but he put up strong per-36 stats his whole career. Pretty much, Green is just a better version of the player he was when he won a national title with UNC. He just needed someone to stick with him.

Meanwhile, Daye was a mid-first-rounder who's been struggling to market his best skill. He got 12 times the number of minutes over his first two years than Green did. He put up decent rate stats, but he was a net negative for most of his career, ad opposed to Green, who was one of the most impactful on/off players on the team during his third year.

I like Daye, but he'll have to prove himself in an entirely different way than Green did. Danny was always a super role-player. Daye's justa guy with talent. The Spurs will have to mold Daye into rotation player, whereas they just had to fit Green in.

[murpjf88]

It's a team. Someone else made a play. Good. Daye also swung that ball to an open Cotton for three. Etc. Daye and Ayres sit out the whole time Anderson was out, that one play you refer to would have been meaningless, likely, because they would have been down by significantly more at the end of the game. Because you don't recognize their contributions, doesn't mean there were none.

I don't agree with your premise that the Spurs SL roster is made up of scrubs, Ayres, Daye and Anderson. It's only advantageous to your point that other players couldn't step up in the absence of Ayers or Daye. But, neither is that true or could it be proven. What would your counter-position be had the Spurs lost the game?

[elemento]

Yeah, I wish we had Malcolm Thomas back instead of Ayres. As for Anderson, is he as slow as he's been made out to be? I've read that his defense does not look that great so far.

He is slow, but he looks smooth and you see that the feel for the game is there, even though he still needs to improve many parts of his game.

Yeah, he doesn't look good defensively, but we gotta give him some credit too. He always had the toughest assignments defensively. Stauskas, Jabari, Wiggins, etc.

They already know that he has great court vision and that he is an elite passer. The Spurs want him to play a lot off the ball. So, they're basically putting Anderson in a very uncomfortable zone for him to see where he needs to improve. And he is taking the task like a man, so we can't complain much.

I like what I've seen from Kyle so far. Can't say the same about the rest of the team though.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't agree with your premise that the Spurs SL roster is made up of scrubs, Ayres, Daye and Anderson.What would you call it?

14 completely equal players in every way deserving of exactly the same minutes?

The staff have been scouting these players long than any of us. They gave Cotton some extra money to stick around through camp because they see some possible potential.

They had an entire season to watch Green play the Spurs system.

They let Morris run the point because he ran the point in the NBA.

They had these guys in mini camp and practice before they ever took the floor.

You really don't think they have any idea what these guys can do?

[murpjf88]

What would you call it?

14 completely equal players in every way deserving of exactly the same minutes?

The staff have been scouting these players long than any of us. They gave Cotton some extra money to stick around through camp because they see some possible potential.

They had an entire season to watch Green play the Spurs system.

They let Morris run the point because he ran the point in the NBA.

They had these guys in mini camp and practice before they ever took the floor.

You really don't think they have any idea what these guys can do?

If your going to call the roster a bunch of scrubs. Then, Daye and Ayres don't get exemptions.

[ChumpDumper]

If your going to call the roster a bunch of scrubs. Then, Daye and Ayres don't get exemptions.Ok, they're scrubs.

NBA scrubs.

Now what?

[Obstructed_View]

Neal hit a season saving shot and scored 20+ pts in a Finals game, if he didnt turn out to be particularly valuable then not many player ever do I guess...
Very true. Then he went 0 for 5 in the next game against Memphis. If you think hitting a clutch shot that makes the difference between being eliminated by an 8 seed in six games vs being eliminated by an 8 seed in five games is particularly valuable, then I guess we have to agree to disagree. Gary's a good shooter when he's on, and it's the reason he lasted as long as he did with the Spurs. However, that's all there is to his game and there's a reason the Spurs let him go.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I don't agree with your premise that the Spurs SL roster is made up of scrubs, Ayres, Daye and Anderson. It's only advantageous to your point that other players couldn't step up in the absence of Ayers or Daye. But, neither is that true or could it be proven. What would your counter-position be had the Spurs lost the game?

I wasn't trying to be that insulting towards them. Just being flippant. But, bottom line, they're all marginal players fighting to make a final roster spot on a team...any team. If they're not scrubs, they're not too far off from the definition. Whatever the official definition is. Insert your own word if it suits you. I am glad you have so much confidence in them, but I've watched them play some pretty ugly ball this summer...and when Anderson, Daye, and even Ayres were off the floor...it got even uglier.

[Baam]

Ok, they're scrubs.

NBA scrubs.

Now what?

They're pretty old too by summer league standards.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Cotton looked like he had a good game, just looking at the box score. little man managed to grab 5 rebounds

[ChumpDumper]

They're pretty old too by summer league standards.So what?

What is your point?

[littlecoyotecoin]

Ok, they're scrubs.

NBA scrubs.

Now what?

Exactly. They're scrubs, too. Just not "the other scrubs".

[murpjf88]

Ok, they're scrubs.

NBA scrubs.

Now what?

You answered your own question. Now we wait and see.

[littlecoyotecoin]

They're pretty old too by summer league standards.

So is Morris. And, I'll second the so what?

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly. They're scrubs, too. Just not "the other scrubs".The others aren't even NBA scrubs.

They are summer league scrubs.

[Baam]

Very true. Then he went 0 for 5 in the next game against Memphis. If you think hitting a clutch shot that makes the difference between being eliminated by an 8 seed in six games vs being eliminated by an 8 seed in five games is particularly valuable, then I guess we have to agree to disagree. Gary's a good shooter when he's on, and it's the reason he lasted as long as he did with the Spurs. However, that's all there is to his game and there's a reason the Spurs let him go.

Doesn't much more disingenous than that tbh :lol...

[ChumpDumper]

You answered your own question. Now we wait and see.I already said what I think will happen.

What do you think will happen?

[Obstructed_View]

Doesn't much more disingenous than that tbh :lol...

Gary Neal wasn't a difference maker tbh.

[Obstructed_View]

Cleveland eliminated by Houston tonight.

Have we seen Wiggins' last game in a Cavs uniform?

Aren't they doing a loser's bracket this year? Thought everyone got the same number of games this season, though I guess that was just an assumption on my part.

[Baam]

Gary Neal wasn't a difference maker tbh.

Keep digging.

[murpjf88]

I already said what I think will happen.

What do you think will happen?

Actually, you didn't unless you hid that post from view. I think Daye/Ayres will end up with roster spots unless Baynes is resigned, in which case, Daye will be cut. Anderson will probably start the year in Austin. Green, and Cotton will be camp invites.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Cotton looked like he had a good game, just looking at the box score. little man managed to grab 5 rebounds

Much better game than the last couple.

[littlecoyotecoin]

The others aren't even NBA scrubs.

They are summer league scrubs.

We have reached an accord, yet again.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually, you didn't unless you hid that post from viewI did. You just failed to read.
. I think Daye/Ayres will end up with roster spots unless Baynes is resigned, in which case, Daye will be cut. Anderson will probably start the year in Austin. Green, and Cotton will be camp invites.Daye doesn't have to be cut to sign Baynes. Austin doesn't start playing until after Thanksgiving.

[Obstructed_View]

Much better game than the last couple.

His man didn't go off on the entire team, so there's that. He had a couple of good passes and some good shots. He's physical and fearless. Hope he pans out, though I'm not overly optimistic.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Aren't they doing a loser's bracket this year? Thought everyone got the same number of games this season, though I guess that was just an assumption on my part.

I had gotten the impression it is lose and go home, thus my point to this guy that the best way for us to see the other guys is to make sure we get another game, to insure more playing time for everyone. Maybe I am wrong.

[Chinook]

Aren't they doing a loser's bracket this year? Thought everyone got the same number of games this season, though I guess that was just an assumption on my part.

They are doing a loser's bracket, and Cleveland should be in it. But I don't know what it will be like.

[xmas1997]

Actually, you didn't unless you hid that post from view. I think Daye/Ayres will end up with roster spots unless Baynes is resigned, in which case, Daye will be cut. Anderson will probably start the year in Austin. Green, and Cotton will be camp invites.

I doubt Anderson goes to the Toros.
Neal never went to the Toros, except when he was recovering from his appendectomy, and Anderson has a lot more skills than Neal ever did, and certainly better defense. Neals' only advantage was his 3 pt. shooting IMHO.

[ChumpDumper]

They are doing a loser's bracket, and Cleveland should be in it. But I don't know what it will be like.I think the teams that lose in the first round play each other and that's it.

[Obstructed_View]

They are doing a loser's bracket, and Cleveland should be in it. But I don't know what it will be like.

Looks like you only get one more game after getting beat.


I think the teams that lose in the first round play each other and that's it.

That's what I saw as well.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I had gotten the impression it is lose and go home, thus my point to this guy that the best way for us to see the other guys is to make sure we get another game, to insure more playing time for everyone. Maybe I am wrong.

It's single elimination:

http://www.nba.com/2014/news/05/12/summer-league-2014-las-vegas-official-release/#$/2014/news/05/12/summer-league-2014-las-vegas-official-release/index.html

[Obstructed_View]

I doubt Anderson goes to the Toros.
Neal never went to the Toros, except when he was recovering from his appendectomy, and Anderson has a lot more skills than Neal ever did, and certainly better defense. Neals' only advantage was his 3 pt. shooting IMHO.

I think Neal had time to drive to Austin before they called him back.

[ChumpDumper]

I doubt Anderson goes to the Toros.
Neal never went to the Toros, except when he was recovering from his appendectomy, and Anderson has a lot more skills than Neal ever did, and certainly better defense. Neals' only advantage was his 3 pt. shooting IMHO.He could if he's inactive and the schedule allows it as it did for CoJo, Baynes and De Colo.

I expect a few assignments of varying length. It's going to take some time to figure out how to best use him and the pace of the D-League will be pretty beneficial for him.

[littlecoyotecoin]

It's single elimination:

http://www.nba.com/2014/news/05/12/summer-league-2014-las-vegas-official-release/#$/2014/news/05/12/summer-league-2014-las-vegas-official-release/index.html

I guess I didn't read closely enough.

[xmas1997]

He could if he's inactive and the schedule allows it as it did for CoJo, Baynes and De Colo.

I expect a few assignments of varying length. It's going to take some time to figure out how to best use him and the pace of the D-League will be pretty beneficial for him.

I would think Pop would want to get him acclimated to the system as quickly as possible, but then I thought the same thing about Tiago and it took him a year.
I guess we'll see.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Szvf6XkkaU

[ace3g]

Wizards won tonight, so we face them on Saturday.

Porter and Rice Jr.

[BackHome]

All I can say is that Errors defense is worse then his offense no way can you keep him.

As far as Anderson he will probably play a large a amount of time with the Toros not saying he is bad but he needs to work on his shot and his defense. Plus he is going to have to add about fifteen pounds of muscle to be able to handle the big in the NBA.

The only good thing about Daye is that he rebounds really good but he just comes across as a rich brat I don't know why? Maybe it is the way he plays like he doesn't care if he does good or bad just passing the time.

I agree we should be looking at other teams summer roster to see if anyone is better then Green....He deserves an invite.

[ace3g]

https://s1.yimg.com/sr/img/1/a5eb97d9-f650-3347-947d-2df7d206079b

[Chinook]

Future of the franchise right there.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I guess I didn't read closely enough.

Just one more "consolation game" after elimination.

[TheGoldStandard]

https://s1.yimg.com/sr/img/1/a5eb97d9-f650-3347-947d-2df7d206079b

That guy on the left is a fugitive.

[SpursFan86]

That guy on the left is a fugitive.

WANTED: Jeff Ayres for stealing $3.5 million from the San Antonio Spurs

REWARD: You can take him and have him play for your team free of charge

[kobyz]

LOL at Ayress been taking out of the game in crunch time by Udoka cause he wanted the win... Man, this guy sucks, so fool on the court!

[ChumpDumper]

LOL at Ayress been taking out of the game in crunch time by Udoka cause he wanted the win... Man, this guy sucks, so fool on the court!Um, he played the last 2:49 on the lineup that went from up 2 to up 9 in that time.

He may suck, but you failed to actually watch the game and just bragged about it.

[kobyz]

Um, he played the last 2:49 on the lineup that went from up 2 to up 9 in that time.

He may suck, but you failed to actually watch the game and just bragged about it.

I watched the game, with about 5 minutes to go in the game he got replace, then in the last 2 minutes Udoka brought him back out of compassion...

[BillMc]

I'll cliff-notes it. Green was taken 30 picks after Daye. He got cut by a new administration and proceeded to put up strong numbers in the d-league. He caught on with the Spurs and didn't stick until Pop and Williams told him to focus. He was a starter by his third year, but he put up strong per-36 stats his whole career. Pretty much, Green is just a better version of the player he was when he won a national title with UNC. He just needed someone to stick with him.

Meanwhile, Daye was a mid-first-rounder who's been struggling to market his best skill. He got 12 times the number of minutes over his first two years than Green did. He put up decent rate stats, but he was a net negative for most of his career, ad opposed to Green, who was one of the most impactful on/off players on the team during his third year.

I like Daye, but he'll have to prove himself in an entirely different way than Green did. Danny was always a super role-player. Daye's justa guy with talent. The Spurs will have to mold Daye into rotation player, whereas they just had to fit Green in.

Really nice take. :toast

[ace3g]

Sportando @sportando
(https://twitter.com/sportando)Viktor Gaddefors opts out of his contract with Virtus Bologna sportando.com/en/italy/serie… (http://t.co/qj2dSvyEA9)

[Captivus]

Anyone else noticing the crawl on NBATV has completely wrong stats for the Spurs game?

I didnt notice that...but talking about the NBATV crew...they have clearly been instructed to hype The Starters.
Every minute!!! The Starters this, The Starters that...wow...Kmon! Ive seen the show...is average at best.

[DocDoc]

Sportando @sportando
(https://twitter.com/sportando)Viktor Gaddefors opts out of his contract with Virtus Bologna sportando.com/en/italy/serie… (http://t.co/qj2dSvyEA9)


We lack any Swedes on the roster...

[Chinook]

I didnt notice that...but talking about the NBATV crew...they have clearly been instructed to hype The Starters.
Every minute!!! The Starters this, The Starters that...wow...Kmon! Ive seen the show...is average at best.

It has Denmon as the leading scorer with 10 points.

[kobyz]

McRae is a top 5 best player in the summer league, are you sorry RC trade him away for that euro trash?

[Captivus]

It has Denmon as the leading scorer with 10 points.

Where are looking at this?

[Chinook]

Where are looking at this?

It was on the television during the games last night.

[wildbill2u]

I haven't seen all the games all the way through but my impression of the SL roster is that none of them are going to be able to step right in to a regular rotation spot with the exception of Ayres (since he was used pretty frequently to give our bigs some rest last year0 if he isn't traded or something. Daye will probably be back as well.

Of all the rookies and new guys, All of them have SOME skills or they wouldn't be playing at this level, but there aren't any with skills that aren't countered by some problems in another area. I'd bring Green to camp for more evaluation to see if they can work on his shot and defense. Cotton and Morris maybe as practice fodder. They'll give Anderson a long look and he'll probably stick.

Just my impressions.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

McRae is a top 5 best player in the summer league, are you sorry RC trade him away for that euro trash?

not in the slightest.

you can't expect to ever get anything from a 2nd rounder. The best thing you can do is learn to trust in the spurs midas touch. McRae will be riding sixer pine into oblivion. meanwhile, draft rights spurs are gaining real experience, getting more physically dominant, affording the spurs the opportunity to play Beli/Cotton, and roster guys like Bonner/Ayers. Get with it!