2014 Spurs Summer League Thread

[Kool Bob Love]

:wow

[Spurs 4 The Win]

We choked, PERIOD

[Kurik]

Bad D by KA, makes the shot on the other end though.

[Spurs9]

Rice is a absolute beast

[Spurs 4 The Win]

THESE REFS MUST HAVE MONEY ON THE WIZARDS... JESUS

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Not liking what I've seen from Daye.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

WTFFFFFFF DAYE

[Captivus]

hack??

[BatManu20]

Daye getting out-rebounded by a guy 5 inches shorter. And then chucking at the other end of the floor.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Austin Daye sucks!

[Nathan89]

Mental midget

[Spurs 4 The Win]

DUMBASS CHUCKER CHOKING OUR CHANCE AT THE TITLE AWAY

[NickiRasgo]

LMAO Daye and Ayres :lol

[SupremeGuy]

Was Daye trying to go bank? lol

[benstanfield]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ERRORS

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

lmao

[Kurik]

THESE REFS MUST HAVE MONEY ON THE WIZARDS... JESUS

You mean Ayres.

[BatManu20]

That was not a foul in any league.. these refs have been atrocious

[tmtcsc]

LOL! Ayres is garbage.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

This loss is on Daye, FUCKING SCREWED US

[Texas_Ranger]

errors just being a retard

[Captivus]

Finally a TO!!!
Cotton got this!

[SpursFan86]

This game is too much :lmao It's just SL but god damn

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

IT ENDS NOW (unless someone is fouled and they make 1 miss 1)

[Robz4000]

Welp, game ends here at least

[BatManu20]

Please get the foul out of Vander's hands. He looks completely lost when the game is on the line :lol

[SupremeGuy]

Time for Daye to redeem himself!

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

That wasn't a foul on Ayres. He's played fine. Daye is out there thinking he's better than Kawhi Leonard and he's looking like trash.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

IF WE LOSE THIS ILL BE DISGUSTED

[BatManu20]

I hate Ayers but that was not a foul. Not even close. Ridiculous call by consistently shitty refs tbh

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Daye will chuck us out of this game per par, choker

[tim_duncan_fan]

Cotton for the win. Watch.

[Ron Swanson]

Lol Errors

[Captivus]

Ohh!! Ayres!!
HAHA!!! OWNED!

[Spurs 4 The Win]

FUCK, THATS THE PALY WE COME UP WITH

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Great job Ayres.

[NickiRasgo]

LMAO ERRORS! :lol :lol :lol

[SpursFan86]

Ayres :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao I'm crying from laughter over here/

[BatManu20]

Wow Udoka is even dumber than I ever imagined. He actually drew up a GW play for Ayers :rollin

[SupremeGuy]

Fuck me.

[ace3g]

finally over

[Spurs 4 The Win]

WE CHOKED, FUCK THIS SUMMER LEAGUE TEAM IM DONE, CHOKING PUSSIES

[Robz4000]

:lol Errors

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

THAT WAS A FOUL!

[Captivus]

no spacing! haha

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Never been so mad over a summer league game. Screw the Wizards, they're gonna shoot like 17% next game!

[NickiRasgo]

We lose but it's entertaining one esp. watching Errors. :lol Rice can ball! :toast

[Spurs 4 The Win]

THEY GAVE THIS GAME AWAY, BUNCH OF PUSSIES

[Nathan89]

Wizards beat the Champs

[benstanfield]

:lol too perfect

Ayres is by a wide margin the worst player in the NBA

[loveforthegame]

That sucked.

[Captivus]

Tank for Wiggins...

[Ron Swanson]

Blow it up. Start tanking for next season.

[Captivus]

Good game! Good night!!

[Richie]

Seriously, there's not a single NBA wing that Anderson can guard. He can't play there this season, we'll get killed.

[ElNono]

Great game, tbh.... lol Udoka drawing plays for Ayres

[Spurs 4 The Win]

CANNOT BELIEVE I JUST SAW US CHOKE LIKE THAT, FUCK THESE FAGGETS

[Spurs 4 The Win]

We still the champs though, but cut everyone on the summer league team, they all suck ass

[BatManu20]

No seriously, wtf is Udoka thinking drawing up a play for Ayers?? :lol Please don't ever let him be an actual HC candidate for the Spurs tbh

[Random5843]

I can't believe that even in summer league refs screwed us. Ayers' non-existent foul defined the game.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I can't believe that even in summer league refs screwed us. Ayers' non-existent foul defined the game.

Refs had money on the game

[Ice009]

Ayres' salary needs to be eaten and straight out cut. What a fucking joke of a player.

Boylen should be fucking fired if he had anything to do with the Spurs picking Ayres up.

I've never seen a player as bad as Ayres in SL getting paid what he gets paid in the NBA.

[TE]

There is no way else to insult Ayres' game, tbh.

[loveforthegame]

It's a shame Ayers will rob someone a spot on this roster.

[Birn]

Great job by the Spurs. Competed at a high level and showed a lot of character.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Lets not forget, Daye pretty chucked us out of that game

[-21-]

Epic game. Last play is Ayres in a nutshell.

[palangi]

Absolutely hilarious to see some here get so upset over summer league.

Clowns...seriously

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Great job by the Spurs. Competed at a high level and showed a lot of character.
:lmao:lol

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Only players I want to see on the roster are Cotton while Patty is inactive and Anderson, just to give him a chance at backup SF. Can't be any worse than the alternative. Ayres and Daye suck.

[palangi]

Lets not forget, Daye pretty chucked us out of that game
You should definitely cry about it. It is summer league...isn't it?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Absolutely hilarious to see some here get so upset over summer league.

Clowns...seriously

Absolutely hilarious that you think anyone is actually upset, we are just bored and trolling, dont be such a bitch :lol

[tim_duncan_fan]

lol Ayers and Daye.

Dumbasses.

[TheGreatYacht]

Edit: Fuck Glen Rice Jr

[Ice009]

If Udoka really did draw up a play for Ayres to win the game, then he should not be a head coaching candidate for that bullshit.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

You should definitely cry about it. It is summer league...isn't it?

lol, i didnt think i needed blue font but you are clearly a little slow

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Absolutely hilarious to see some here get so upset over summer league.

Clowns...seriously
I can't help it, I'm not cool like you. Calling people out over a forum? How do I become cool enough to do that?!

[Random5843]

OMG Ayers. That guy jumped before your attempt to shoot and you managed to get blocked and not even get fouled.

[palangi]

Absolutely hilarious that you think anyone is actually upset, we are just bored and trolling, dont be such a bitch :lol
You mad!

[TheGreatYacht]

If Udoka really did draw up a play for Ayres to win the game, then he should not be a head coaching candidate for that bullshit.
:lmao

[tim_duncan_fan]

Cut Ayers. Eat the financial hit.

JaMychal can play Ayers' role better than Ayers can.

[palangi]

I can't help it, I'm not cool like you. Calling people out over a forum? How do I become cool enough to do that?!
Ummmm...... Seriously?

[Beanzamillion21]

sigh. maybe next summer. :depressed

[DJR210]

Is Ayers the worst free agent signing in Spurs history?

[Rito3d30]

It's amazing how bad does Ayres suck at different levels
Bury his ass at the end of the bench please Pop

[Spurs 4 The Win]

You mad!

No, im laughing because I trolled you

[Kurik]

Seriously, there's not a single NBA wing that Anderson can guard. He can't play there this season, we'll get killed.

I have to agree, though I think his team defense is decent he's really going to struggle 1 on 1 at least early on in his career. Anyways, I'm still intrigued by his skillset and I'm looking forward to seeing how he plays with better talent around him.

[BatManu20]

In before this thread inevitably melts down after the Spurs lose a stupid summer league game :lol

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

OMG Ayers. That guy jumped before your attempt to shoot and you managed to get blocked and not even get fouled.
He just got so excited at the possibility of making the game winner. Pretty sure he also shot his wad in the process.

[Chinook]

That play to Ayres was brilliant. It's too bad Jeff sucks.

[exstatic]

Well, SL is over. Good overall effort by the guys. Not much happening until training camp. See you in September.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Yeah, the play was actually pretty good, who it was run for was the bad choice

[Chinook]

I actually came out of this summer league really liking Daye, Anderson, Cotton and Udoka. I was okay with Thomas and Morris. Thought the rest didn't stand out enough or hurt their stock.

[DJR210]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/FUCKUDOKA.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/pieceofshitudoka.jpg

[Kurik]

If anything Udoka is a genius for making Ayres look even worse, maybe he will get cut now. Honestly it was a good play though.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Ummmm...... Seriously?
As serious as my anger over this summer league loss. Winning the regular season and Finals in 2014 wasn't enough. I wanted the D League and summer league championships to make this year complete. Stupid Mad Ants!!!

[TheGreatYacht]

No chance JaMychal Green makes the team now. Udoka continued to ignore him, and Ayres continued to hog up the playing time

[SpursFan86]

I actually came out of this summer league really liking Daye, Anderson, Cotton and Udoka. I was okay with Thomas and Morris. Thought the rest didn't stand out enough or hurt their stock.

Agree with this except I think Green's hustle and rebounding made him stand out. It's a shame he doesn't have a jumper...although I still think he looked better than Ayres throughout the SL.

[palangi]

No, im laughing because I trolled you
Nah, you got caught being an idiot and are now trying to back track.

Foolish

[Chinook]

Agree with this except I think Green's hustle and rebounding made him stand out. It's a shame he doesn't have a jumper...although I still think he looked better than Ayres throughout the SL.

I don't even want Green in camp. Dude's a huge reason why the Spurs lost.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

:lol

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Green gave up good position like 6 times to go for putback dunks that weren't there. That's not a characteristic of a Spurs type player.

[Biggems]

Daye played a very good game. After some shit performances early on, he ended SL on a high note, so that made me happy.

Ayres should change his name back to Pendergraph, since he was better with the previous moniker. He is the worst finisher around the rim I have ever seen. I have never seen a guy brick so many dunks in my life. He is so good at bricking dunks, he gives multiple efforts in games. I want him gone from the team. Give his spot to Green immediately. Green may be green, but at least he is a better finisher and is better in the passing lanes. BTW, is it just me or does Ayres share hands with Nazr? I swear neither could catch a cold, much less a low post pass.

Anderson needs some seasoning, but he looked ok in the SL. Once we bulk him up a little bit and move him to PF, he should be fine in the Diaw role.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Nah, you got caught being an idiot and are now trying to back track.

Foolish

I hope this is a joke, look at 90% of my messages, they are in all caps, and i said things like "this feels like game 3 when carter hit that 3 against us" (I made it blue this time because you are stupid)

But I guess you are too special fucking ed to understand that anything is a SUMMER LEAGUE thread is automatically not going to be serious. Its a Saturday night and people were looking for entertainment, nobody actually cares we lost

[palangi]

I hope this is a joke, look at 90% of my messages, they are in all caps, and i said things like "this feels like game 3 when carter hit that 3 against us" (I made it blue this time because you are stupid)

But I guess you are too special fucking ed to understand that anything is a SUMMER LEAGUE thread is automatically not going to be serious. Its a Saturday night and people were looking for entertainment, nobody actually cares we lost
Keep trying

[-21-]

- Austin Daye's shot selection was bad. Lucky he got fouled on several occasions.

- Kyle Anderson cannot do anything on defense except for stripping the ball (which he is pretty good at).

- Udoka probably chose Ayres because the Wizards (and everyone in the world) doesn't expect Ayres to do anything. Going for the decoy/surprise factor but seriously?!?! JEFF AYRES?!?! The play wasn't bad, it was the player whom the play was drew up for.

- Jeff Ayres. :rolleyes:lol:(:bang:pctoss

[tim_duncan_fan]

Green gave up good position like 6 times to go for putback dunks that weren't there. That's not a characteristic of a Spurs type player.

There was alot of this tonight, but I think we can attribute some of that to him pressing himself to make plays and get noticed.

He's inarguably better than Ayers though, and I can't fault the man for pressing tonight.

We should give him another look.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Jeff Ayers/Pendergraph/whateverthefuck:

Thy name is Frustration.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle Anderson apologists already? Smh he's good but y'all hyping it

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Keep trying

I guess you caught me, I actually care a lot, Im gonna go cut my wrists now

You are too stupid to talk to, Im done

[Ice009]

If anything Udoka is a genius for making Ayres look even worse, maybe he will get cut now. Honestly it was a good play though.

Play was fine, I'd say most would agree with that, but the player he chose for it is what made it bad. Never, ever should give Ayres the ball in that situation to win a game. Bad coaching.

[Hoops Czar]

Green gave up good position like 6 times to go for putback dunks that weren't there. That's not a characteristic of a Spurs type player.

Ayres isn't characteristic of a Spurs type player either though, I suppose we can manipulate the landscape to fit the narrative. I've never seen so much trash come out of one player in my life. He's literally stealing money.

[Ice009]

Boylen is a fucking idiot if he recommended Ayres to the Spurs.

[benstanfield]

Call me an end-of-the-bench optimist. I always tend to have faith that Pop/RC see something in certain guys that I don't. I believed in NDC until the bitter end.

I went from optimist to giving up on Ayres over the course of those last two possessions. Trade him for a washing machine and sign whatever 6'10 guy can run up and down the court at the UTSA gym.

[Robz4000]

I actually came out of this summer league really liking Daye, Anderson, Cotton and Udoka. I was okay with Thomas and Morris. Thought the rest didn't stand out enough or hurt their stock.

Didn't like Green? IMO he was the most consistent and brought effort; already better than Ayers by a mile.

[benstanfield]

I don't think I've seen a worse sequence of plays then Ayres in the last minute of that "playoff" game. MAYBE prime turd towers or 6.


Daye can play though. KA needs polish. Thomas is a SF version of Dejuan Blair. Cotton isn't an NBA player. Green and Morris are basketbautistic. Blue made some big plays but he is what he is, a wing without one particular NBA level skill.

/summerleague

[Hoops Czar]

Didn't like Green? IMO he was the most consistent and brought effort; already better than Ayers by a mile.

This was just too obvious. I'm not going get on someone for being out of position on the defensive end a handful of times. If I did, I'd get on Ayres for being out of position all night long. At the least, he deserves a camp invite. However, if the Spurs have no plans to move/cut Ayres or Daye by the end of training camp, he probably won't.

[HankChinaski]

People here getting pissed at a summer league game. Haha

[Chinook]

Didn't like Green? IMO he was the most consistent and brought effort; already better than Ayers by a mile.

He's not a rookie. Bringing effort isn't enough, especially since it was selfish and constantly hurt the team. Say what you want about Ayres, but he knows how to get out of people's way. He's not remotely a selfish player. I don't really think Ayres should make the team, either if the Spurs bring Baynes back. But it makes little sense to eat his salary to give Green a spot as the seventh big.

[emanueldavidginobili]

How did Cotton play? Any insight on him on how he's looked this SL and if he can compete in the league

[Johnny RIngo]

Missed most of the game but came back just in time to see Ayres fuck up like usual. Petty confident that Jeff's the worst big in the NBA. Still wondering how he managed to get MLE money from an NBA team. Must have a fantastic agent.

[palangi]

People here getting pissed at a summer league game. Haha
Nope their just all trolling, right spurs 4 the win?

[ElNono]

The Spurs need to cut their losses, tbh... based on this game, it's clear KA isn't a clutch player and likely will never be. Cleveland has been shopping Wiggins on the Love sweepstakes, maybe we can interest them to trade Wiggins to us instead. A package like KA/Cojo/Bonner/two 2nd round picks might just do it (if you don't want to part with Bonner, maybe they'll take Baynes?). I don't know how the whole salary thing works, but I don't care, where there's a will there's a way.

[Chinook]

The Spurs need to cut their losses, tbh... based on this game, it's clear KA isn't a clutch player and likely will never be. Cleveland has been shopping Wiggins on the Love sweepstakes, maybe we can interest them to trade Wiggins to us instead. A package like KA/Cojo/Bonner/two 2nd round picks might just do it (if you don't want to part with Bonner, maybe they'll take Baynes?). I don't know how the whole salary thing works, but I don't care, where there's a will there's a way.

I don't want Wiggins. He's making too much money to get knocked out in first round.

[HankChinaski]

I missed the game. Curious to read some objective criticism about how players looked overall through the game and rest of summer league. What aspect of their game is more polished than other parts.

What were they primarily having players do out on the court on both sides.

Provides a better grasp at what the coaching staff is looking at and what they expect them to work on or what to avoid any further with.

Caught two of the games. Anderson looked promising further down the road. Daye has potential, Cotton looked capable at times looking like a guy to generate offense off the bench, but has his work cut out for him.

I forget what I saw in the rest of the roster.

[ElNono]

I don't want Wiggins. He's making too much money to get knocked out in first round.

I don't care how much Wiggins makes, we're the champs, now it's time to put the money on the table. Plus the Cavs now have Lebron, Wiggins is basically redundant. On draft night Bill Simmons was saying all this good stuff about him, he gotta be really good.

[Russ]

Just got back from the summer league game.

Two observations. 1) Kyle Anderson can play defense. 2) Bryce Cotton cannot play point guard.

And one more thing -- they should have fouled with a three point lead and four seconds left!

[ElNono]

:lol srsly, after that glorious playoff run, watching some of these summer league games were an eyesore...

[Robz4000]

He's not a rookie. Bringing effort isn't enough, especially since it was selfish and constantly hurt the team. Say what you want about Ayres, but he knows how to get out of people's way. He's not remotely a selfish player. I don't really think Ayres should make the team, either if the Spurs bring Baynes back. But it makes little sense to eat his salary to give Green a spot as the seventh big.

I want him to get a camp invite at the very least. The problem with Ayers is that he's had his shot in the NBA multiple times and has been awful; even in SL he's been bad. Green may not prove to be an upgrade, but his selfishness can be attributed to trying to make a name for himself. Either way, if Baynes is brought back neither should be on the team.

[Robz4000]

The Spurs need to cut their losses, tbh... based on this game, it's clear KA isn't a clutch player and likely will never be. Cleveland has been shopping Wiggins on the Love sweepstakes, maybe we can interest them to trade Wiggins to us instead. A package like KA/Cojo/Bonner/two 2nd round picks might just do it (if you don't want to part with Bonner, maybe they'll take Baynes?). I don't know how the whole salary thing works, but I don't care, where there's a will there's a way.

Same

[Chinook]

I don't care how much Wiggins makes, we're the champs, now it's time to put the money on the table. Plus the Cavs now have Lebron, Wiggins is basically redundant. On draft night Bill Simmons was saying all this good stuff about him, he gotta be really good.

He's black, 6-7 and can jump out of the gym. He's exactly what this team needs.

Right your mistake, RC. :flag:

[murpjf88]

The Spurs need to cut their losses, tbh... based on this game, it's clear KA isn't a clutch player and likely will never be. Cleveland has been shopping Wiggins on the Love sweepstakes, maybe we can interest them to trade Wiggins to us instead. A package like KA/Cojo/Bonner/two 2nd round picks might just do it (if you don't want to part with Bonner, maybe they'll take Baynes?). I don't know how the whole salary thing works, but I don't care, where there's a will there's a way.

I know you aren't even half serious but, if the Cavs let this trade proposal go through, David Griffin would catch a stray bullet in the head.

[siraulo23]

damn it the spurs had that game, entertaining btw

porter jr and rice jr went off

spurs 2nd round exit :cry

[ElNono]

I know you aren't even half serious but, if the Cavs let this trade proposal go through, David Griffin would catch a stray bullet in the head.

Any relation with Blake Griffin? Is he available? We have the executive of the year, we can pretty much pull off any trade we want.

[manufan10]

:lol srsly, after that glorious playoff run, watching some of these summer league games were an eyesore...

:lol so true, I told my brother it was like watching high school basketball.

[bluebellmaniac]

The Spurs need to cut their losses, tbh... based on this game, it's clear KA isn't a clutch player and likely will never be. Cleveland has been shopping Wiggins on the Love sweepstakes, maybe we can interest them to trade Wiggins to us instead. A package like KA/Cojo/Bonner/two 2nd round picks might just do it (if you don't want to part with Bonner, maybe they'll take Baynes?). I don't know how the whole salary thing works, but I don't care, where there's a will there's a way.

+1 LOL!

[xellos88330]

I am kind of liking that Bryce Cotton. I think he should get a camp invite.

Kyle Anderson needs to figure out when to shoot. He seems to have the same problem Boris has. Sometimes he can be too patient for his own good and misses either an open shot, or a pass to a bucket. Anderson also struggles defending SG and SF out by the arc. If they are in midrange, he is passable.

[Mikesatx]

Wizards had the two best players on the court in Rice & Porter. Daye was the closest thing we had to that and it wasn't very close. Anderson needs to be surrounded by very good players. He isn't the type of player that can create for himself or take over a game. I like Cotton a lot, great handle, great shot and huge vertical for his size. I would have liked to see the ball in his hands at the end. Only time he seemed to play free was on the break and usually something good happened.

[Darius McCrary]

How did Anderson look

[Mikesatx]

How did Anderson look
Looks as advertised, slow but smart. If he has space he is great but can't create his own space. Need to see him play with the real Spurs. If he is the 4th or 5th option he should be good.

[BackHome]

Yeah I don't see anyone on the summer league team that comes close to a starter for us or even for a bad team..

[tmtcsc]

How did Anderson look

I think he got away with being so slow in college because of his size. He's not going to cut it in the NBA - just my opinion. Ridiculously slow foot speed, poor defender, flawed shooting mechanics, smart player with good court awareness, good passer. Bad haircut and large head.

[Spurs da champs]

The Spurs need to cut their losses, tbh... based on this game, it's clear KA isn't a clutch player and likely will never be. Cleveland has been shopping Wiggins on the Love sweepstakes, maybe we can interest them to trade Wiggins to us instead. A package like KA/Cojo/Bonner/two 2nd round picks might just do it (if you don't want to part with Bonner, maybe they'll take Baynes?). I don't know how the whole salary thing works, but I don't care, where there's a will there's a way.

:lol You trolling? Anderson made 2 clutch steals, a clutch basket, & he set up Ayres perfectly, its not his fault Errors couldn't finish.

[TheCerebral1]

If anyone has watched how has Cotton versus Denmon looked. Do we have anything here while Mills has been out. Has Ejim looked at all intriguing?

[FireMicoHalili]

...we got beat. With two 25+ year-olds in the roster. Wouldn't have been a problem but those two guys had 10 or so years of NBA experience between them.

[Dex]

...we got beat. With two 25+ year-olds in the roster. Wouldn't have been a problem but those two guys had 10 or so years of NBA experience between them.

There is obviously a reason they are still playing in the Summer League.

[TheCerebral1]

There is obviously a reason they are still playing in the Summer League.

Penderayers and Daye being down there does nothing. Their are more talented undrafted free agents than Jeff Ayres.

[Birn]

This meltdown after a meaningless SL game proves that ST posters are the most unsophisticated basketball fans in the NBA. For a fan base that has witnessed 5 championships and perennial title contention by the Spurs, it's fascinating to see the utter stupidity. You would think they would at least have an average comprehension of the way the game is played.

example: the final play was not "drawn up" specifically for Ayers. That's an inbound play the Spurs have run for years and there are dozens of options. It all depends on what the defense is doing. Ayers' defender over played the inbound pass and was out of position so ayers did the right thing to dive down to the basket. That's a basketball play you're taught as a basic fundamental play. An extra pass by ayers would've resulted in an open shot. He had an open lane briefly but scott's help defense was superb and he got the block. Give him credit.

[Captivus]

Who I thought looked good...
1Daye
2Cotton
3Thomas
4Blue
5Green/Anderson

[kobyz]

that was the real final game to me, two best team of summer league that which team win get easy road to the title...
i'm pissed about this loss, why Udoka why!!

[ace3g]

Still wished Gaddefors would have gotten some minutes, 6'8 SF, seemed decent when he played that 1 game. I wonder if it had anything to do with him not currently under contract with Euro team, didn't want to risk injury.

[exstatic]

Nono, with the subtle goods. :lol

[elemento]

The Spurs need to cut their losses, tbh... based on this game, it's clear KA isn't a clutch player and likely will never be. Cleveland has been shopping Wiggins on the Love sweepstakes, maybe we can interest them to trade Wiggins to us instead. A package like KA/Cojo/Bonner/two 2nd round picks might just do it (if you don't want to part with Bonner, maybe they'll take Baynes?). I don't know how the whole salary thing works, but I don't care, where there's a will there's a way.

They would probably ask Ryan Richards rights too. This is a no-go to me Nono :lmao

[Darius McCrary]

I think he got away with being so slow in college because of his size. He's not going to cut it in the NBA - just my opinion. Ridiculously slow foot speed, poor defender, flawed shooting mechanics, smart player with good court awareness, good passer. Bad haircut and large head.
So a couple games ago people are touting his ability to defend canadian wiggins, now he's not gonna cut it?
Maybe the kid was fatigued playing so much organized ball in such a short span?

[BackHome]

Unless we get a player like Ibaka on our team that can block shots people like KA/Daye/Errors are going to get killed trying to play defense. If they play against anyone with an outside shot they won't be able to fight through screens which make for easy shots and dunks.

[ElNono]

:lol You trolling? Anderson made 2 clutch steals, a clutch basket, & he set up Ayres perfectly, its not his fault Errors couldn't finish.

He missed the gamewinner though. Wiggins makes that.

[Spurs da champs]

He missed the gamewinner though. Wiggins makes that.
:lmao.

[DPG21920]

I didn't get to go to SL like I normally do this year, so had to settle for watching just 3 games. From what I saw, there is no one I am high on at all. That doesn't mean players didn't do ok, but no one showed me anything different from their scouting reports. No one had the "Gary Neal" moments for me where you really thought: this guy has a legit shot to make the team and I would really like that to happen. The only player that came close to this was Daye. He did a lot of bad things (shot selection/selfish), but his skill set, despite missing a ton of shots, was on full display. I'm just not sure if he has anything resembling a spark mentally. Will he engage? Will he buy in? I think he works hard, but I am not sure if it's for the right reasons.

I am completely soured on Ayres. He's not an NBA player. Just not making mistakes and being a pretty good teammate does not an NBA player make.

Kyle Anderson left me feeling like he's the human scouting report. He played literally like the exact scouting report on him. His lack of foot-speed has me very concerned about him defensively at every position. He defends like a pre-average Dirk with swipes and some blocks but really not anything else of note. The things you heard he did well, he does well. The things he does not so well, he does not so well. It's going to be a bit of an uphill battle for him to find his position(s) and be a net positive player athletically. Very interesting player and the things he does well are very good.

I don't get why so many like Cotton. Not a fan at all. He can shoot and is a fine player, but I don't see "it".

[xmas1997]

I didn't get to go to SL like I normally do this year, so had to settle for watching just 3 games. From what I saw, there is no one I am high on at all. That doesn't mean players didn't do ok, but no one showed me anything different from their scouting reports. No one had the "Gary Neal" moments for me where you really thought: this guy has a legit shot to make the team and I would really like that to happen. The only player that came close to this was Daye. He did a lot of bad things (shot selection/selfish), but his skill set, despite missing a ton of shots, was on full display. I'm just not sure if he has anything resembling a spark mentally. Will he engage? Will he buy in? I think he works hard, but I am not sure if it's for the right reasons.

I am completely soured on Ayres. He's not an NBA player. Just not making mistakes and being a pretty good teammate does not an NBA player make.

Kyle Anderson left me feeling like he's the human scouting report. He played literally like the exact scouting report on him. His lack of foot-speed has me very concerned about him defensively at every position. He defends like a pre-average Dirk with swipes and some blocks but really not anything else of note. The things you heard he did well, he does well. The things he does not so well, he does not so well. It's going to be a bit of an uphill battle for him to find his position(s) and be a net positive player athletically. Very interesting player and the things he does well are very good.

I don't get why so many like Cotton. Not a fan at all. He can shoot and is a fine player, but I don't see "it".

I see why Cotton was not drafted by anyone. If he makes it in the NBA I think it will be due to his work in the D-League.
However I disagree about KA. What I saw was a player who at the very least is quicker than Dirk defensively and definitely more aware.
I do not like his shooting form, but you cannot argue with it's production in spite of that, yet Chip can probably fix that.
On the things he brings to the table offensively, I see an opposing teams' nightmare to deal with.

[Chinook]

I thought Daye really lost his head at the end of last night's game. That was incredibly disappointing to see. I thought he was a little too unselfish, though. He needed the ball in his hands more often down the stretch.

[tmtcsc]

:lol You trolling? Anderson made 2 clutch steals, a clutch basket, & he set up Ayres perfectly, its not his fault Errors couldn't finish.

No, not trolling unfortunately. We all know Anderson is far from a highlight reel but he has so much work to do before he is NBA ready. He does have long arms which helped him poke the ball away on defense but he really didn't do anything that was outstanding. My fear is that the guy feels a little too entitled to be on the team. He obviously (from his q/a session with kids) thought he would be drafted way earlier than he was so I'm not sure why he didn't play harder than he did. Maybe he was tired but that doesn't say much for his desire.

He has good passing skills and awareness but was beaten off the dribble on several occasions. I think one of his steals came when his man got by him and he reached from behind.

I thought Green and Blue looked pretty good and played with some intensity and desire. Daye's shot came around but then he just started getting selfish and took every shot down the stretch.

[tmtcsc]

I thought Daye really lost his head at the end of last night's game. That was incredibly disappointing to see. I thought he was a little too unselfish, though. He needed the ball in his hands more often down the stretch.

Huh? He got doubled and gave up the ball when he could have made the game winner. He should have shot the damn ball or passed it to someone who was open.

[Spurs da champs]

I thought Daye really lost his head at the end of last night's game. That was incredibly disappointing to see. I thought he was a little too unselfish, though. He needed the ball in his hands more often down the stretch.
He had 2 crucial turnovers with the ball in his hands down the stretch...

[tmtcsc]

So a couple games ago people are touting his ability to defend canadian wiggins, now he's not gonna cut it?
Maybe the kid was fatigued playing so much organized ball in such a short span?

He looks like a guy who was drafted 30th in the first round. I didn't tout his defense although I'm sure others saw what they wanted to see. The good news is, I'm not a coach and really don't know shit other than what I casually watch. I hope I'm wrong about him. I saw a bunch of guys who played harder and with more desire than Anderson.

[Spurs da champs]

No, not trolling unfortunately. We all know Anderson is far from a highlight reel but he has so much work to do before he is NBA ready. He does have long arms which helped him poke the ball away on defense but he really didn't do anything that was outstanding. My fear is that the guy feels a little too entitled to be on the team. He obviously (from his q/a session with kids) thought he would be drafted way earlier than he was so I'm not sure why he didn't play harder than he did. Maybe he was tired but that doesn't say much for his desire.

He has good passing skills and awareness but was beaten off the dribble on several occasions. I think one of his steals came when his man got by him and he reached from behind.

I thought Green and Blue looked pretty good and played with some intensity and desire. Daye's shot came around but then he just started getting selfish and took every shot down the stretch.
I agree with your last statement, & Anderson does need to play harder, but when he made crucial plays down the stretch, & there is no way around it. His reach & length made up for him getting beat those 2 times, & imo, he did not touch the ball enough. Even tho Blue played hard, he, Cotton, & Daye were black holes.

[Kurik]

I think defensively in the future Anderson is gonna have to bulk up a bit and guard the 4, he was getting blown by for much of the game yesterday on the wing. Sure he gets some strips but I don't think you can rely on that especially with the Spurs. I was a bit disappointed that they didn't let him run the offense more.

[ElNono]

They're all project guys. If 1 or 2 out of the bunch pans out, then you can call it a daye... there's no Kawhi Leonard here, but Kawhi was a high draft pick, so it makes sense.

[toki9]

Austin Daye: 15th Pick, 2009 draft
Kawhi Leonard: 15th pick, 2011 draft

[toki9]

I thought Daye really lost his head at the end of last night's game. That was incredibly disappointing to see. I thought he was a little too unselfish, though. He needed the ball in his hands more often down the stretch.

I thought he got tired, but I'm probably being charitable. He only played 38 minutes or so, but he's probably not used to playing those kind of minutes in competitive situations.

[Obstructed_View]

Thought it was a pretty good game, but the officiating puzzles me. You'd have thought it was Rice's dad playing in that game for all the respect he was getting from the zebras. I wouldn't be surprised if Washington shot twice as many free throws as the Spurs did, and the Wizards were intentionally fouling at different points of the game. Sort of surprised they were calling those. If Rice had taken that exact same shot at the end of the game, you know they'd have called that push on the wrist. Kyle needs to get used to the frustration of getting fucked by the refs now, I guess. He's not going to get any love as an NBA rookie.

First, the guys who the Spurs should pass on: Denmon, Ejim, Morris, Blue and Green. They all have their moments, but more bad ones than good ones. Maybe next year.

Cotton looked MUCH better. He shared the ball, took smart shots, played much better defense, and had good awareness. Clearly this is more representative of the guy they pictured when they signed him.

It didn't feel like Thomas had a very good game, and then you realize he scored eleven points. I'm sure his percentage had to be good in order to do that. Efficiency and solid play are what you want out of a backup. He'll be one somewhere, especially if his three pointer keeps improving. I don't think there's room for him, but I'd rather have him than Daye on the big team.

Anderson paid really good attention the last few games on defense. He got lost a few times again this game, so he knows what he has to work on. It's really frustrating that he's probably the best guy to be handling the ball on the entire team and has probably touched the ball less than anyone in the rotation over the course of the summer league. My guess is that he was told that he isn't there to be evaluated because he's guaranteed a spot in camp. He's pretty clutch on both ends of the floor, which is something that's hard to teach, and he got fouled on that last shot. If you want a focused Kyle Anderson going through the summer into training camp, having his last memory of summer league being that moment is probably exactly what you'd wish for.

I really don't dislike Jeff Ayres as much as some of you do. He's not very physically gifted, but he plays his ass off. He might foul a shooter, but he made the right rotation to be there. He might miss a dunk, but he set the screen and rotated to where he needed to be. Would I be okay with the Spurs sending him down the road if they can find someone better to take his place? Sure I would. I just wouldn't think it was the end of the world having him competing with Bonner for Aron Baynes' spot as last big off the bench this season. I am expecting Baynes, if he stays, to jump both of them in the rotation.

If you could combine Jeff Ayres and Austin Daye, you'd have a solid rotation NBA player with flashes of greatness, and the byproduct would be someone that needed help dressing himself in the morning. I'm kind of everywhere on Daye. Super confusing player. Daye simply puts up too many numbers not to end up on someone's roster, though I think he's just a massive ball hawk. A hawk manages to dominate the ball without being labeled a ball hog, and he's an expert at it. I don't know how he gets so many more touches than his teammates, but he feels like the only person shooting at times, and his teammates keep taking terrible shots just to get themselves a shot attempt. I've never seen the thing Celtics fans talk about where Rondo manufactures assists for himself but I imagine they'd watch Daye and go, "Yep, that's it". Numbers or no, I think my final verdict is that I really don't want that guy anywhere near my basketball team. Maybe he finally figures it out somewhere. Good for him if he does. I'd send him down the road.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I'd send him down the road.
And he'd have autistic, automatic, retardedly random 25-point games against us with Dallas...only to suck against every other team in the league. The jump-shooting Dejuan Blair.

[kobyz]

The biggest problem with Ayress is bad feel for the game, he doesn't read the plays in time and mostly step or two slow starting his reactions...

[toki9]

Washington shot 23-35 freebies while SA shot 16-19. Fun game to watch, but no one on the Spurs really stood out. Morris did make me cringe a few times with forced shots. All week it seemed clear that he was just focused on getting his--which is probably the norm in SL.

[ElNono]

Austin Daye: 15th Pick, 2009 draft
Kawhi Leonard: 15th pick, 2011 draft

Some players just don't pan out. I'm a big Daye fan, but he's no Kawhi. I'm actually rooting for him, hope that under the right program he can become a contributor. That's all the Spurs need from him, to be able give minutes behind Kawhi...

[littlecoyotecoin]

I thought he got tired, but I'm probably being charitable. He only played 38 minutes or so, but he's probably not used to playing those kind of minutes in competitive situations.

I think fatigue has been an issue for him as well. I wonder how long it's been since he played 38 minutes. Much less 25ish minutes in as many games, one after another, that he played this summer. Been a long time.

[ChumpDumper]

Morris had a bad game to end SL and no one ever wants that. Cotton finally pulled about even with him for overall performance. He still doesn't run the offense as well and needs to learn the very basics of defense, but if you squint hard enough you can at least think he could to some Mills type stuff in the NBA.

Green's energy is impressive, but he should be farther along in defense considering he spent a year in the Spurs system already. I don't think he did anything to make the Spurs think of waiving anyone to make room for him.

Daye is just annoying at times. It would be nice to think this is the start of something good, but I don't see his getting away with all the crap he was trying in SL. That may have been the point -- to see what he might be able to do, but man, he took a lot of time and touches to find out.

I don't know if the Spurs have a better handle on what they are going to do with Anderson. I don't think he ran enough point to prove anything there. Of course needs work on his shot and defense. Should get a bunch of time in preseason, then taper off til he goes to Austin. As I said before I think the pace there will only help his development.

[Solid D]

SL mission accomplished. The Spurs got to see some of their options for the future. The game against the Wizards was awesome to watch, due to it's edge-of-your-seat competitiveness. The only slight disappointments I had in the quarterfinal was that Bryce Cotton, one of the best scorers on the Spurs SL team, didn't shoot enough in the 4th quarter. Scoring did not appear to be Bryce's role there. I also thought that, as effective as he was in this game, Deshaun Thomas deserved more minutes. It's a shame Darius Morris wasn't able to help the team, as he had done in several of the other SL games.

Looking ahead, Kyle should be able to get some minutes next season and Cotton could potentially ease the pain of Patty being out for the first half (or more).

[Whisky Dog]

Anderson is right about where he should be as the 30th pick going to the Champions. He had some holes and flaws but the Spurs are the right team to help him fill those. Anyone who seriously thought he'd be a rotation player next year on a championship team needs to take a look in the mirror and ask themselves why they know so little about the Spurs/basketball in general and if they should be paying better attention.

[BackHome]

I can tell you right now if Daye makes the team Pop is going to go off on him in a game and we will see how he responds.

[tholdren]

Kyle Anderson, a ST quoted "lottery talent" has been easily outplayed by Austin Daye. I dont know if that says more about Daye, or Anderson, or the posters.

[ChumpDumper]

It says tholdren didn't watch any games.

[tholdren]

It says tholdren didn't watch any games.
lmao - kyle anderson sucks at defense, you turd bags on here get all crazy if he almost has a steal. His offensive game is terrible. His game made Daye look like "lottery talent"

[ChumpDumper]

lmao - kyle anderson sucks at defense, you turd bags on here get all crazy if he almost has a steal. His offensive game is terrible. His game made Daye look like "lottery talent"lol boxscore sniffer

[Ice009]

I didn't get to go to SL like I normally do this year, so had to settle for watching just 3 games. From what I saw, there is no one I am high on at all. That doesn't mean players didn't do ok, but no one showed me anything different from their scouting reports. No one had the "Gary Neal" moments for me where you really thought: this guy has a legit shot to make the team and I would really like that to happen. The only player that came close to this was Daye. He did a lot of bad things (shot selection/selfish), but his skill set, despite missing a ton of shots, was on full display. I'm just not sure if he has anything resembling a spark mentally. Will he engage? Will he buy in? I think he works hard, but I am not sure if it's for the right reasons.

I am completely soured on Ayres. He's not an NBA player. Just not making mistakes and being a pretty good teammate does not an NBA player make.

Mental toughness is what makes a good/great player. Daye really seems to lack in that department if you ask me. His body language a lot of the time is atrocious out there on the court too. He just doesn't carry himself well out there, and that doesn't really inspire teammates or give them confidence in you when you look frustrated most of the time, as Austin did in this SL. It looks like a chore for him and it doesn't really look like he has a passion for the game or loves the game. Something just doesn't seem right with him.

I will say that he played OK, not great, but he played decent for most of the Summer League on the offensive end of the court. What did people think of his overall defense? Those of you that watched all the games?

Ayres needs to be cut. No reason to have him back. Use that roster spot for someone else. There's still a few good free agents out there. Blatche is one that I was interested in before he signed with Brooklyn a couple of years ago. I know he's decent offensively, but can he at least player better defense than Ayres? Anyone watched him enough to comment on it? Main reason I mentioned Blatche is because if you cut Ayres and want to replace him 1 for 1, Blatche might be a good option. If the Spurs aren't after the same position with Ayres' roster spot, then I'm still interested in Aminu and possibly Marion. I don't really want the Spurs to give the full MLE to any of the players that are left out there.

Do you guys think any of the remaining free agents are worth the MLE?

[tholdren]

[QUOTE=ChumpDumper;7519708]lol boxscore sniffer[/QUOTE

lol - d-e-f-l-e-c-t-i-n-g as always

[tholdren]

Mental toughness is what makes a good/great player. Daye really seems to lack in that department if you ask me. His body language a lot of the time is atrocious out there on the court too. He just doesn't carry himself well out there, and that doesn't really inspire teammates or give them confidence in you when you look frustrated most of the time, as Austin did in this SL. It looks like a chore for him and it doesn't really look like he has a passion for the game or loves the game. Something just doesn't seem right with him.

I will say that he played OK, not great, but he played decent for most of the Summer League on the offensive end of the court. What did people think of his overall defense? Those of you that watched all the games?

Ayres needs to be cut. No reason to have him back. Use that roster spot for someone else. There's still a few good free agents out there. Blatche is one that I was interested in before he signed with Brooklyn a couple of years ago. I know he's decent offensively, but can he at least player better defense than Ayres? Anyone watched him enough to comment on it? Main reason I mentioned Blatche is because if you cut Ayres and want to replace him 1 for 1, Blatche might be a good option. If the Spurs aren't after the same position with Ayres' roster spot, then I'm still interested in Aminu and possibly Marion. I don't really want the Spurs to give the full MLE to any of the players that are left out there.

Do you guys think any of the remaining free agents are worth the MLE?

Agree, there is no one on the SL that I would want on SA.

Sign Baynes, Sign Marion, move on with life.

[ChumpDumper]

lol - d-e-f-l-e-c-t-i-n-g as alwaysYou didn't watch any games.

Anderson looked like a rookie in summer league whose best use is being determined by the staff.

I saw it.

You didn't and you can't deflect that.

[ChumpDumper]

Agree, there is no one on the SL that I would want on SA. You watched no SL games at all.

[tholdren]

You watched no SL games at all.
That isnt true, the part about cutting all these sorry players is though. lol at you = lottery talent

[ChumpDumper]

That isnt true, the part about cutting all these sorry players is though. lol at you = lottery talentOf course you didn't watch any SL games.

Quit trying to deflect.

lol trying to make up things I said.

[tholdren]

You didn't watch any games.

Anderson looked like a rookie in summer league whose best use is being determined by the staff.

I saw it.

You didn't and you can't deflect that.

there is nothing for me to deflect, I always respond on topic. Anderson looked like shit. Not lottery talent, but by someone who couldnt even be Austin Daye....

Tip to you and staff - practice player make him buy a ticket to the game.

[DPG21920]

There are plenty of guys in SL (not just with Spurs) who have showed very good things. Spurs SL had some interesting guys too. No big surprises (at least not IMO) - everyone was pretty much as advertised (which isn't bad). I mean, I know people want KA to run point, but damn.

[tholdren]

There are plenty of guys in SL (not just with Spurs) who have showed very good things. Spurs SL had some interesting guys too. No big surprises (at least not IMO) - everyone was pretty much as advertised (which isn't bad). I mean, I know people want KA to run point, but damn.

Who did you think was "good" as advertised? absolutely zero of our players could play both ends of the court.

[ChumpDumper]

there is nothing for me to deflect, I always respond on topic. Anderson looked like shit. Not lottery talent, but by someone who couldnt even be Austin Daye....

Tip to you and staff - practice player make him buy a ticket to the game.You didn't watch any games.

You can try to act like you did, but all you did was sniff boxscores and saw that Daye scored a lot.

lol keep trying though.

[tholdren]

You didn't watch any games.

You can try to act like you did, but all you did was sniff boxscores and saw that Daye scored a lot.

lol keep trying though.

lol - you pretending to know what I do. must be really mad bro. Anderson reeked of media hype trash which is exactly why he didnt do combine. not athletic enough to compete because hes not smart or skilled enough. It's the typical "I was bigger than you in HS and college, and now I cant do anything" syndrome. You see this 99% of the time with hyped big men.

[DPG21920]

Who did you think was "good" as advertised? absolutely zero of our players could play both ends of the court.

Kyle Anderson. Daye (maybe a little better). Good as advertised doesn't mean star. Doesn't even mean guaranteed minutes. It just means that their strengths looked like actual strengths. Obviously, they all have many weaknesses as well. I have been vocal about Daye and what I think about him (have never really liked him), but he no doubt has some intriguing tools.

Kyle Anderson was just a bonus pick with some very good skills. The doubts that caused him to slip to 30 still persist and might prevent him from ever really doing anything in the NBA, but he has some very good skills already.

People liked Cotton, I did not. He had moments and even he was about as good as advertised, I just don't think that his good is good enough.

But it's SL and many of these guys (with the exception of most of the lottery picks) are fringe guys.

[ChumpDumper]

lol - you pretending to know what I do. must be really mad bro. Anderson reeked of media hype trash which is exactly why he didnt do combine. not athletic enough to compete because hes not smart or skilled enough. It's the typical "I was bigger than you in HS and college, and now I cant do anything" syndrome. You see this 99% of the time with hyped big men.I know exactly what you do.

You talk shit without even watching the games.

Anderson was always a risk as a pick but one that was easy to take.

[tholdren]

I know exactly what you do.

You talk shit without even watching the games.

LOL - yep YOU ARE FUMING MAD... LOL at you getting mad because ya boi sucked.

LOL at you for watching every SL game and STILL thinking KA is better than Daye.

#takeshoveloutofyourhand

[tholdren]

Kyle Anderson. Daye (maybe a little better). Good as advertised doesn't mean star. Doesn't even mean guaranteed minutes. It just means that their strengths looked like actual strengths. Obviously, they all have many weaknesses as well. I have been vocal about Daye and what I think about him (have never really liked him), but he no doubt has some intriguing tools.

Kyle Anderson was just a bonus pick with some very good skills. The doubts that caused him to slip to 30 still persist and might prevent him from ever really doing anything in the NBA, but he has some very good skills already.

People liked Cotton, I did not. He had moments and even he was about as good as advertised, I just don't think that his good is good enough.

But it's SL and many of these guys (with the exception of most of the lottery picks) are fringe guys.

yep

[ChumpDumper]

LOL - yep YOU ARE FUMING MAD... LOL at you getting mad because ya boi sucked.

LOL at you for watching every SL game and STILL thinking KA is better than Daye.

#takeshoveloutofyourhandWhen did i say anyone was better than anyone else?

lol doesn't watch game OR read psots

dumbass with the attempted hashtag shtick he just learned

[tholdren]

When did i say anyone was better than anyone else?

lol doesn't watch game OR read psots

dumbass with the attempted hashtag shtick he just learned

hahahhah dude, you're so mad you are actually calling names... hysterical. Sorry that Anderson wasnt your "lottery talent" in Summer League. Maybe he can be a Dleague all star

[ChumpDumper]

hahahhah dude, you're so mad you are actually calling names... hysterical. Sorry that Anderson wasnt your "lottery talent" in Summer League. Maybe he can be a Dleague all starlol dude, you'll have to link where I called him outright "lottery talent" since you made up a fake quote.

I've already said he's going to be in Austin most of this season.

Watch a game and read some posts next time.

[xmas1997]

I have a really good feeling that someone is going to be eating a whole lot of crow sometime this season when it comes to KA.
It might be me, but I doubt it.
:lol

[DPG21920]

I have a really good feeling that someone is going to be eating a whole lot of crow sometime this season when it comes to KA.
It might be me, but I doubt it.
:lol

What does that mean? Are you pro or against KA in general? Do you think he gets consistent rotation minutes? Just trying to see what you mean here..

[Ice009]

Xmas1997 has said numerous times that he thinks KA is going to be a "special" player.

I think he's where I was at 10 years ago watching Youtube clips on guys like Javtokas, thinking that they might be a really good players for the Spurs. Highlight videos don't really mean shit. It's what they do in the NBA when they get that chance that really counts or means anything to me.

Kyle is not good on defense IMO, and if he can't at least be passable on that end of the court in the NBA, then I don't see how he can even get any meaningful minutes on the court for the Spurs. He's got a lot of work to do in every facet of his game (apart from passing).

[xmas1997]

I believe this kid is going to be special.
I think this because of what I've seen, and because of those already in the NBA who profess to know such as Labron James and Kevin Durant to name a couple.

[Darkwaters]

What does that mean? Are you pro or against KA in general? Do you think he gets consistent rotation minutes? Just trying to see what you mean here..

He thinks Anderson will play PG and be able to function as our 3rd stringer if needed.

[Ice009]

I believe this kid is going to be special.
I think this because of what I've seen, and because of those already in the NBA who profess to know such as Labron James and Kevin Durant to name a couple.

Huh? What did Lebron and Durant say about him? Was it recent?

[DPG21920]

I believe this kid is going to be special.
I think this because of what I've seen, and because of those already in the NBA who profess to know such as Labron James and Kevin Durant to name a couple.

Do you mean this year? Or just down the road?

[Kurik]

Huh? What did Lebron and Durant say about him? Was it recent?

I know both were giving him praise when he was coming out of High School so nothing recent from what I've seen.

[Russ]

I actually did go to the SL game last night (just a "Spur' of the moment drive from LA on Saturday).

Great fun and lots of familiar NBA faces in a relaxed setting watching their teams. Anybody who thinks SL ball is unwatchable should have been there -- it's an entertaining game.

Kyle Anderson looks like he'll be a solid pro. Much quicker and better on D than people give him credit for. Can get to the rim -- if you think he only gets to the rim against inferior completion just watch him do it on the varsity over the next ten years or so. Deceptive smoothness always seems underrated and rears its head when no one thinks it can.

Daye has a reputation as nothing but a shooter but he contributed well in this SL despite the fact he was in a shooting slump -- a good sign a when a shooter does that. He is a very good passer (largely uncredited here) and plays pretty good D too.

On the other hand, the guard play was atrocious (not counting KA as a guard for this discussion). The only one with a flicker of potential was Vander Blue, whose plus athleticism was a revelation. Blue outshone the other guards in terms of his defense as well as the spark his energy created.

A particular disappointment was Bryce Cotton, who looks even smaller in person and who lacks the instincts to play the point. He was the proverbial "ball stopper" as he tried over and over (unsuccessfully) to probe the defense, overdribbling and charging head down into the D the entire time. He ended up getting trapped or simply making a routine pass along perimeter that could have been made well before he ran the shot clock down to 5 seconds.

All in all, the Vegas League is a lotta fun. I'd recommend it.

[Ice009]

Is that the only Summer League game that you've seen, Russ? If it is, no offense, but you can't really base Summer League play off of that one game as it's probably one of the best SL games ever.


I know both were giving him praise when he was coming out of High School so nothing recent from what I've seen.

That's what I thought. If those comments were from a couple of years ago, I don't think they're as valid as Xram1997's trying to make them out to be. I mean, if Kevin Durant really thought that highly of KA, you don't think he'd have any say in their draft picks? If he still thought that highly of him, couldn't he have told the team to draft Kyle Anderson with their last pick of the first round? He was still available on the board there, but they passed on him. Maybe it was a team need that they passed on him for a different player, or maybe they just didn't think that highly of him.

[Russ]

Is that the only Summer League game that you've seen, Russ? If it is, no offense, but you can't really base Summer League play off of that one game as it's probably one of the best SL games ever.

I saw a bunch of Summer League games over the years at the Pyramid at Long Beach State.

And, yes, this was a lot better.

[Kurik]

That's what I thought. If those comments were from a couple of years ago, I don't think they're as valid as Xram1997's trying to make them out to be. I mean, if Kevin Durant really thought that highly of KA, you don't think he'd have any say in their draft picks? If he still thought that highly of him, couldn't he have told the team to draft Kyle Anderson with their last pick of the first round? He was still available on the board there, but they passed on him. Maybe it was a team need that they passed on him for a different player, or maybe they just didn't think that highly of him.

I think it's just more team need for the Thunder. I doubt any decent front office really listens to their players on draft choices unless they are desperate like the Heat were.

[Russ]

I doubt any decent front office really listens to their players on draft choices unless they are desperate like the Heat were.

Yeah, LeBron really left Shabazz Napier at the lurch in Miami.

What a thankless gig that poor guy has with the Heat -- "So you're the guy LeBron forced on us and now he's gone anyway. Show us what you got. And it better be good."

[ChumpDumper]

I suggest anyone who is a basketball junkie go to Vegas summer league at least once. You'll strain your neck swiveling it back and forth seeing players, coaches, FO and reporters all over both arenas and in the concourse in between them -- as well as all over town. The games are fun if you know what teams and players are there to do and go by really quickly. And it's Vegas -- a billion degrees during the day so sleep or spend a good chunk of the day at UNLV then do the town at night.

[SilverSpur]

I really liked what I saw out of Cotton. Super fast, can handle the ball ( great cross over ) shoots well, Penetrates. Reminds me of a young Iverson.
He will fill in nice for Mills on roster. Give him late minutes during blow outs.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn there's like 10,000 people in the T&M watching the final. Summer League is drawing better than the Bucks.

[CaptainLate]

I actually did go to the SL game last night (just a "Spur' of the moment drive from LA on Saturday)....Daye has a reputation as nothing but a shooter but he contributed well in this SL despite the fact he was in a shooting slump -- a good sign a when a shooter does that. He is a very good passer (largely uncredited here) and plays pretty good D too.

[ From Bleacher Report: Austin Daye did not have a great Vegas on the surface. As with Vonleh, Daye's 35 percent field-goal rate isn't pretty, even if it led to 16.3 points per game.

Look closely, however, and there's a telltale sign that the 6'11" forward might be turning into a wiry version of Boris Diaw.

San Antonio's dancing bear came up huge as a meaty Swiss Army knife in the Spurs' championship run, contributing 9.2 points, 4.8 boards and, most meaningfully, 3.4 assists per game in the 2014 postseason. His interior passing was emblematic of the team's beautiful ball movement, and it earned him three more years and $22 million.

Remember we mentioned that Daye averaged 3.0 assists per game in summer league play? For context, he played 27.3 minutes per game. In five seasons, he has played 14.6 minutes per game and dealt 0.8 assists, peaking with 1.1 back in 2010-11.

As the offense ran through Daye's distribution, the system stood out as much as the player. San Antonio isn't just picking up bigs who can pass as a luxury; the Spurs are teaching that skill and preaching it as a necessity. He is just the most recent beneficiary of that organizational tutelage. ]

[Ice009]

Damn there's like 10,000 people in the T&M watching the final. Summer League is drawing better than the Bucks.

Who made the final? I stopped watching after the Spurs game as I wasn't really interested in the other teams. I still might check it out on NBA TV Live later on.

I actually got a refund of my $4.99 earlier today.

I bought NBA Summer League Live to watch one of the earlier games that I couldn't watch on NBA TV Live broadband and found them unwatchable. The video keep loading and taking 1-2 minutes to reload each time I switched from window mode to full screen mode and I'd also get message of game not available due to technical difficulties, then I'd simply reload the game and it'd work again, but again, it would take too long to load up the game and for the video to start playing. Really weird experience I had with it this year. Did Samsung do it last year too? I didn't watch any Summer League last year.

I last bought Summer League pass 2 years ago and it was much better and worked OK compared to this year's version. I think I've bought it around 3-4 times all up and this year's was by far the worst (for me). The video just didn't work properly for me this time around. I was satisfied with the previous SL Live broadband that I bought in regards to quality, not sure why this one wouldn't work properly for me though.

Props to them for actually giving me a refund though.

[ChumpDumper]

Who made the final? I stopped watching after the Spurs game as I wasn't really interested in the other teams. I still might check it out on NBA TV Live later on.

I actually got a refund of my $4.99 earlier today.

I bought NBA Summer League Live to watch one of the earlier games that I couldn't watch on NBA TV Live broadband and found them unwatchable. The video keep loading and taking 1-2 minutes to reload each time I switched from window mode to full screen mode and I'd also get message of game not available due to technical difficulties, then I'd simply reload the game and it'd work again, but again, it would take too long to load up the game and for the video to start playing. Really weird experience I had with it this year. Did Samsung do it last year too? I didn't watch any Summer League last year.

I last bought Summer League pass 2 years ago and it was much better and worked OK compared to this year's version. I think I've bought it around 3-4 times all up and this year's was by far the worst (for me). The video just didn't work properly for me this time around. I was satisfied with the previous SL Live broadband that I bought in regards to quality, not sure why this one wouldn't work properly for me though.

Props to them for actually giving me a refund though.Sacramento and Houston.

Man, the website and app worked better than ever for me this season. Nice that you got a refund.

I'm probably going to Vegas next summer. Been too long.

[FireMicoHalili]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/7/21/5923367/nba-spurs-2014-las-vegas-summer-league-recap

Kyle Anderson (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246160/kyle-anderson) didn't shine. He averaged eight points a game on 40% shooting and, for such a gifted passer, his two assists per game seem disappointing. He averaged over 50% from three but only took seven attempts in six games. Defensively he couldn't keep up with smaller, quicker wings and generally looked mediocre. By the numbers, DeShaun Thomas outplayed him. The assists weren't there but Thomas took more three pointers and hit them consistently and pulled down more boards.
But Anderson is just 20-years-old and getting used to the speed of the game. He was playing with gunning guards, Austin Daye (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71915/austin-daye) in volume scorer mode and no real pick-and-roll threat. Thomas' game is built to impress in Summer League (as his performance last summer proved) because rebounding prowess translates through any league and he is a natural scorer. Anderson needs a more formal setting to thrive and that's not how Summer League is played.


Perhaps the one player on the Spurs' roster that was harmed more than Anderson by the style played in Vegas was Jeff Ayres. It's was a bit of a head scratcher to see Ayres on the roster. I can understand the motivation behind it if the intention was to get him more reps with the system but if it was intended as an audition it's hard to see what the point was. A player like Ayres who bases his game on rebounding, hustle and defensive competence is not going to look good playing a fast and loose game in which the perimeter defenders barely make an effort and the offense usually devolves into "if you have it, shoot it."
Ayres fouled like crazy and part of that seems to be that he's simply foul prone. But he also had to try to protect the rim against dribble drivers that made their way to the paint unimpeded. He ran the floor every time and barely ever got rewarded. He took up space and boxed out so his teammates could get boards. He basically played the right way and that doesn't get you too far in Vegas. Basically, his contributions were almost impossible to notice while his notoriously bad hands (and over-eagerness to dunk balls he had no chance of dunking) were like flashing neon lights spelling "scrub." It almost (almost) makes sense for fans to want him off the team.


Which brings me to Austin Daye. Just like with Ayres, what exactly the Spurs were hoping to learn about Daye by having him play in Summer League is unclear to me. As the tenured veteran and most talented offensive player on the starting lineup, Daye proceeded to gun away even if his shot wasn't falling, averaging 16 points per game but taking 14 shots to get there. If it weren't for assiduous trips to the line -- which are not something he should count on getting in the league -- Daye would have struggled to crack double digit scoring with those terrible percentages he had. The only takeaway here is that Daye is never going to be a dependable go-to scoring option. But didn't we know that already?

Both Ayres and Daye will probably be on the roster opening day and they should be. We are talking about the team's 11th and 12th player and they are decent enough to occupy those roles. They are familiar with the system and have a defined set of skills the coaching staff knows about. The temptation to extrapolate their bad performances from the past two weeks into an indictment of them as players is what Summer League does to the brain. But I want to believe the Spurs don't make their decisions like that.
The one player for whom Summer League was really huge in terms of a NBA future was Bryce Cotton. His teammates were already under contract or headed back to Europe, for the most part. But Cotton secured an invite to training camp before SL even started. With Mills out for a few months, there is a place for a shooting point guard in the rotation and Cotton came out of college with a stellar reputation as a gunner.

What he showed in Vegas was a more evolved driving game than advertised despite being generously listed at six feet and decent playmaking instincts. The three ball just wasn't there but hopefully it returns for training camp. His play in Vegas was never going to secure him a spot on the final roster but it might have severely decreased his chances had he played poorly. Fortunately, he didn't disappoint and will get a fair shot in a couple of months.

[Baam]

^ that J Gomez guy needs to get a life... He's writing about the Spurs every day but he really has nothing to say :lol...

[FireMicoHalili]

^ that J Gomez guy needs to get a life... He's writing about the Spurs every day but he really has nothing to say :lol...
writing about the Spurs and getting paid for it as opposed to sitting on my ass and shitting on other people's takes on an Internet forum, I'd say Gomez has a good thing going

[Baam]

Damn he's getting paid for it, thought it was strictly a fan site, makes it even worse :lol...

[Russ]

A particular disappointment was Bryce Cotton, who looks even smaller in person and who lacks the instincts to play the point. He was the proverbial "ball stopper" as he tried over and over (unsuccessfully) to probe the defense, overdribbling and charging head down into the D the entire time. He ended up getting trapped or simply making a routine pass along perimeter that could have been made well before he ran the shot clock down to 5 seconds.

Not that it matters, but I gotta slightly revise my opinion of Cotton after rewatching on TV the game I saw in person.

Cotton can handle the ball and he can shoot. He also plays pretty good D for a little guy.

He doesn't make any bad passes, nor does he make any really inspired passes -- his passes are fairly pedestrian.

As a PG, his inability to penetrate against a set defense seems his main weakness. He keeps his head down and doesn't have good vision when he's dribbling and trying (often unsuccessfully) to penetrate. But we're probably spoiled by Parker.

All in all he reminds me a bit of Earl Boykins. I never liked Boykins that much but he had a solid NBA career. If the Spurs can work a miracle on Cotton like they did with Patty Mills, they might have a find after all.