***** The Official 2015 Avante Football Thread *****

[Avante]

Another whole page required to get the charlatan to come clean.

Dude....when you say 2-0 SU....you assume anyone who follows football knows what...SU ...means, all ya did was prove you're an idiot.

[pgardn]

Dude....when you say 2-0 SU....you assume anyone who follows football knows what...SU ...means, all ya did was prove you're an idiot.

But,but, but go look at the other thread...

I claimed it in the other thread.
I forgot this was my betting thread.

Just trying to misdirect and overstate your record.
And you got caught.
You are a liar.

[HemisfairArena]

Another losing pick by Avante,,,,he's not very good at this.

[Avante]

But,but, but go look at the other thread...

I claimed it in the other thread.
I forgot this was my betting thread.

Just trying to misdirect and overstate your record.
And you got caught.
You are a liar.

When ya say.....2-0 SU....what are you lying about?

[Avante]

Another losing pick by Avante,,,,he's not very good at this.

Yep, a stupid play knowing the weather which I talked about.

So I'm currentlly at plus 1120 for the season.


What was your pick?

[Avante]

Where's my little Clipper Nation at? Ya know...STRUGGLE....hahahaha!!!!! What an idiot.

Check it out.

It's in the third quarter the score is 6-0, RW throws that INT, and here the idiot comeS doing His retarded monkey rookie shit with....STRUGGLE HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now the fuck is in hiding, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

[chunticakes]

I woke up today to Minnesota 9 Seattle 0.

Not good.

1-2 thus far. Chasing money on GB.

[Avante]

I woke up today to Minnesota 9 Seattle 0.

Not good.

1-2 thus far. Chasing money on GB.

I did a rookie thing, let my emotions get in the way of fundamentals. Ya don't play ATS if the weather is a factor, yep...DUH~~~~~~~

I never did get a good feel for this game, so I'll pass. Too many...????

[Avante]

Where;s my little Clipper Nation and his....STUGGLE HAHAHA!!!!!...at?

Is that one dumb fuck or what?

I can see it now...

The score is 3-0 in the second quarter with Carolina in the lead, RW fumbles.

Clipper Nation.....STRUGGLE HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!, that's it game over.


Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Clipper Nation come out and playyyaaaaaaaaaaaa,

[Avante]

Like I mentioned, in the playofs it's all about that superior coach/QB combo. So far....3-0.

According to a points system I use.

KC 25 Hous 17
Pitt 20 Cincy 15
Seattle 19 Minny 18...and they win by 1
Wash 20 GB 15

And it's...

Caro 23
Ariz 22
NE 15
Den 16

Yep, KC 25 the top rated team.

It's all about the second half of a season. Always toss out the first 8 weeks, they mean nothing. Just ask the Chiefs.

[Avante]

Rookies, don't get too caught up in this 10-9 game today. it was cold, don't ignore that, it was a real big deal, I've played in the cold (Korea) it makes a difference.

Russell Wilson, wow~~~~~~~~~~~

Can they beat the Panhers to make it 5-1 in the last 6.........hmmmm?

[Avante]

Don't it piss ya off? Me going on and on about Russell Wilson and what's he do, have his best season, lead the NFL in QB rating, win another playoff game, set NFL records and another pro bowl? And nobody can shut me up, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

Think about it, it's BEASTMODE. it's BEASTMODE, then without BEASTMODE RW leads the league in passing...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!


Give it up little people, ya can't win and it should be real obvious.

[HemisfairArena]

What are you babbling about?,,,,all I know is you suck at gambling,,,,

[Avante]

What are you babbling about?,,,,all I know is you suck at gambling,,,,
What about 2014...plus 2100
2015....plus 1120

Don't ya understand?

Did ya check out my betting thread from 2014 with all my $$$$ winning picks? If you would have played my plays this season...plus 1120.

How dumb are you?

Stupd...a half a point from another winning week.

[HemisfairArena]

You're a bookies wet dream,,,I would be rich playing the other side of your picks,,,,

[Avante]

You're a bookies wet dream,,,I would be rich playing the other side of your picks,,,,

You can't read guy, what about //PLUS 1120//...don't you get?

[HemisfairArena]

You lose the Pitt and Seattle picks and then pussy up and say you don't have a pick for the GB/Wash game,,,,lmao. Lets see if your NE/Arizona super bowl prediction happens,,,

[Avante]

You lose the Pitt and Seattle picks and then pussy up and say you don't have a pick for the GB/Wash game,,,,lmao. Lets see if your NE/Arizona super bowl prediction happens,,,

Dummy, it's been an 18 week season, ok? Don't at like a fucking retard over going 1-2, ok stupid? I'm still up over 1100 bucks ya moron, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~

Where are your picks fuck head?

[HemisfairArena]

You pussied up,,,,

[Avante]

You pussied up,,,,

Dude, you don't do anything but follow me around.

Give me your ATS plays ok faggot? Break doiwn a game for me from an ATS perspective.

Stupid...a half a point from ANOTHER winning week, ok ya fucking retard?

After seeing three road teams win, what were the odds of all 4 road teams winning? Se how it works?

[HemisfairArena]

You pussied up,,,

[Avante]

You pussied up,,,

You suck cock.

[HemisfairArena]

You pussied up,,,,

[Avante]

You pussied up,,,,

You don't pussy up or pussy down or pussy sideways, actually you don't do anything besides hump my leg.

Faggot, break down a game from an ATS perspective, ok? Can ya do it? If ya don't you will be on ignore, got it?

[HemisfairArena]

You pussied up,,,,

[Avante]

You pussied up,,,,

Ok faggot we are done, this will be the last time I shit on you, you'e too stupid to waste anymore time on.


Good bye~~~~~~~~~~

[HemisfairArena]

You pussied up,,,,

[Avante]

KC at NE
Pitt at Den
Sea at Caro
GB at Ariz

So we have....

Alex Smith
Tom Brady
Big Ben
Peyton Manning
Russell Wilson
Cam Newton
Aaron Rodgers
Carson Palmer

[Avante]

In the Russell Wilson era, the Seahawks have never lost to any team twice in a season.

Cam Newton is 1-4 vs the Seahawks.

Newton is 1-2 in the playoffs.

RW is 7-2.

Just the facts.

Anyone still think it's all about BEASTMODE..?

[Avante]

Check out Derrick Henry tonight, will that stride work at the NFL level? Does he have the quicks?

100 yards at least tonight.

Will play 110 to win 100 Bama -7.

How good is this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATSdeEPRUZc


What other QB could have pulled off that botched snap play, that was a ...wow!

You haters must feel funny when ya watch alll the talk shows and they go on and on about how great this guy is...huh?

[Avante]

Just made the call, I got a - 6.5.

[spurraider21]

II thought u were done posting here this season

[chunticakes]

Just made the call, I got a - 6.5.

Good luck. I hate betting on collegiate football. I can never really get a grasp. And then you have some games with 30+ point spreads :lol

[Avante]

Tomorrow at 8 EST on the NFL Network they are going to show that Packers vs Chefs game, the first pro football championship game, it wasn't called the Superbowl yet.

If you've never seen Jim Taylor or Otis Taylor play ya need to. Jim right there with Riggins as the best white back and Otis the first of the big fast physical receivers, a QB in college. And a good look at Mike Garrett the first of those USC tailbacks to win the Heisman.

Len Dawson the Chiefs QB a HOFER, as were fellow Chiefs Buck Buchanon and Bobbt Bell...the fastest LBer in the game. Their TE Fred Arbansas the best in AFL history.

The Packers had HOFers...Bart Starr, Jim Taylor, Forrest Gregg, Willie Davis, Ray Nitschke, Herb Adderley and Willie Wood.

[SpursforSix]

Tomorrow at 8 EST on the NFL Network they are going to show that Packers vs Chefs game, the first pro football championship game, it wasn't called the Superbowl yet.

If you've never seen Jim Taylor or Otis Taylor play ya need to. Jim right there with Riggins as the best white back and Otis the first of the big fast physical receivers, a QB in college. And a good look at Mike Garrett the first of those USC tailbacks to win the Heisman.

Man...what a game...the Chefs were really cooking that year.

[Avante]

Man...what a game...the Chefs were really cooking that year.

Yes they were, they crushed the Bills in the AFL Chanpionship game and scored 448 points in the reg season, the next best team 358.

What the AFL did that the NFL wasn't doing was zeroing in on HBCU/small school players.

[SpursforSix]

Yes they were, they crushed the Bills in the AFL Chanpionship game and scored 448 points in the reg season, the next best team 358.

What the AFL did that the NFL wasn't doing was zeroing in on HBCU/small school players.

Yep...and the Bill were money back then.

[Avante]

Yep...and the Bill were money back then.

They had the great Cookie Gichrist*** (first 1000 yard rusher in the AFL) a 250 pound fullbak and the speedy Elbert "Golden Wheels" Dubenion out of tiny Blufton back then, and after Cookie left in came Billy Joe (formrer Bronco) another 250 pound fullback out of Villanova.

*** went straight from HS to the CFL, then after his contract was up there, the Bills.

[SpursforSix]

They had the great Cookie Gichrist*** (first 1000 yard rusher in the AFL) a 250 pound fullbak and the speedy Elbert "Golden Wheels" Dubenion out of tiny Blufton back then, and after Cookie left in came Billy Joe (formrer Bronco) another 250 pound fullback out of Villanova.

*** went straight from HS to the CFL, then after his contract was up there, the Bills.

IDK...before my time. Although I had a really cool book about pro football that had some great pics from that era. Probably read it and looked through it 100 times. Wish I still had it. Loved looking through sports books. Had a really cool one that talked about some of the great QB's up to that time. Had chapters on Namath, Stabler, Plunkett, etc. Short bios up though their NFL careers.

Also had a pencil set with each pencil having the name of an NFL team and the pencil being coated with that teams colors and the name in the other. For example, the Lions pencil was blue and the writing was silver. Wish I still had that also.

Trying to think of the name of that book...I think it was something like, "The Big Book of Pro Football". That ring any bells?

[SpursforSix]

Shit..I think this is it...but mine was a few years later. Had Stabler on the cover.


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61P-OtXedmL._SL500_SX334_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

[SpursforSix]

Wow..I did have this one though

http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/maAy3WQKpEQ37TVsIPafRPQ.jpg

[Avante]

IDK...before my time. Although I had a really cool book about pro football that had some great pics from that era. Probably read it and looked through it 100 times. Wish I still had it. Loved looking through sports books. Had a really cool one that talked about some of the great QB's up to that time. Had chapters on Namath, Stabler, Plunkett, etc. Short bios up though their NFL careers.

Also had a pencil set with each pencil having the name of an NFL team and the pencil being coated with that teams colors and the name in the other. For example, the Lions pencil was blue and the writing was silver. Wish I still had that also.

Trying to think of the name of that book...I think it was something like, "The Big Book of Pro Football". That ring any bells?

I knew that just took the opportunity to show off....ha~~~~ Play along.

I own The National Football League Encyclopedia, a big 545 page book starting back in 1920 up to 1985. Totally covers everything there is about pro football here in the USA, fantastic book. Found it at a yard sale, cost me a buck.

Not familiar with that book ya mentioned. But ya can never read enought about the game, it's cool to know all ya can.

[Avante]

Can we have footbal and all this concern over concussions? I have no doubts Antonio Brown would be playing vs Denver if not for the current state of things.

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I don't see Derrick Henry doing much at the NFL level, there his size won't matter. and he is not quick or nifty at all. And he's really not all that fast either.

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It looks like BEASTMODE will be back vs Carolina but, but can he be effective?


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Carolina is 1-4 coming off a bye week with Rivers at the helm.

[Avante]

Tonight if ya watch Superbowl I (wasn;t called that then) you will see a guy you never knew existed.....Elijah Pitts number 22.

So who was the first AFLer to score a td vs an NFL team, RB Curtis McClinton a former Rookie of the Year.

The All Time AFL Offense.

QB Joe Namath Jets...HOF
FB Cookie Gilchrist Bills
RB Clem Daneils Raiders
FL Lance Alworth...HOF Chargers
SE Don Maynard...HOF Jets
TE Fred Arbansas Chiefs
C Jim Otto....HOF Raiders
G Ed Budde Chiefs
G Jim Tyrer Chiefs
T Ron Mix...HOF CHargers
T Billy Shaw Bills

[Avante]

I got the Seahawks, and will bet 30 days self bannishment on it. So where are these Carolina fans, ya got balls?

[chunticakes]

I got the Seahawks, and will bet 30 days self bannishment on it. So where are these Carolina fans, ya got balls?

Line right now is Seattle +3. My brother is in Las Vegas right now, thinking of pulling the trigger on them and KC.

[HemisfairArena]

Just made the call, I got a - 6.5.

Another losing pick on 'Bama minus the points,,,,,lmao

[pgardn]

Another losing pick on 'Bama minus the points,,,,,lmao

But he picked the winner.

On the points he got screwed again, even while making a good call.
Gambling can be a bitch; liars like Avante can't admit this.

[SpursforSix]

I got a 6 point teaser with KC, GB, and Seattle. KC bailed me out with that last TD. Looking good with Seattle +9 left.

[HemisfairArena]

And this dude picked Seattle also,,,,,,lmao

[SpursforSix]

I got a 6 point teaser with KC, GB, and Seattle. KC bailed me out with that last TD. Looking good with Seattle +9 left.

Boom. And that's how you do a teaser. Too bad I pissed it away by putting it back on Denver -9. Yep...it's about picking spots. I'm still up like +79,0,00981

[pgardn]

In the Russell Wilson era, the Seahawks have never lost to any team twice in a season.

Cam Newton is 1-4 vs the Seahawks.

Newton is 1-2 in the playoffs.

RW is 7-2.

Just the facts.

Anyone still think it's all about BEASTMODE..?

Do continue...

[SuperCam]

In the Russell Wilson era, the Seahawks have never lost to any team twice in a season.

Cam Newton is 1-4 vs the Seahawks.

Newton is 1-2 in the playoffs.

RW is 7-2.

Just the facts.

Anyone still think it's all about BEASTMODE..?

Stupid faggot, even when you made this post they'd already been swept by the rams

[Avante]

Went 1-1-1 in my picks so I lost 10 bucks. Putting me at plus $1000 on the season.

Went 7-1 in my SU picks, so far in the playoffs.

Now Russell Wilson, anyone ever notice we see this guy do things nobody can do? What an amazing QB this guy he.

Today after his shit start look at what he did, over 400 yards passing/running with 3 passing TD's, bringing his team from 31 down to where it took an onside kck to decide it, that is amazing.

Anyone...STILL...not getting this?

And since none of these Panther fans had the balls to take me up on my bet I don't expect any bullshit now.

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We have some guys here who never predict anything before the games, what is that wimpy ass shit? If ya can't make a pick BEFORE a game, then keep your mouth shut....ok?

[Avante]

Now, if you plan on....hey AVANTE STRUGGLE SUCKS....HEHEHE!!!!!!

Be prepared to show me the guy who did it better with just four years of NFL experience, ok? That guy who stepped right in and took off, he won playoff game, he won SB's, he set NFL records, he did things never seen before...ok?

Google....Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and Cam Newton, look at their first 4 seasons compared to RW's. It's all RW.

[Pelicans78]

Tom Brady won 2 Super Bowls in his first four seasons. That's better than Wilson.

[Avante]

Tom Brady won 2 Super Bowls in his first four seasons. That's better than Wilson.

And Trent Dilfer won a SB and Dan Marino didn't. There is more to this than just SB wins. Look at the body of work and get back to me. Look at all the all things that make a great QB, all the factors.

[Avante]

Just think.....

The Seahawks hand off to Lynch and he scores, RW a two time SB champ.

The Seahawks recover that onside kick yesterday, they'd be in Arizona next week, a team they know real well.

[SuperCam]

Just think.....

The Seahawks hand off to Lynch and he scores, RW a two time SB champ.

The Seahawks recover that onside kick yesterday, they'd be in Arizona next week, a team they know real well.

you stupid faggot, they'd still have to score a TD in a minute with only one timeout, and THEN win in overtime, dipshit.

Panthers never dropped below 95% win

http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2016%2F0117%2Fsig_wp_graph_SEA%2D CAR39.png

[Pelicans78]

And Trent Dilfer won a SB and Dan Marino didn't. There is more to this than just SB wins. Look at the body of work and get back to me. Look at all the all things that make a great QB, all the factors.

Stop it. You continue to sound like an imbecile. Wilson plays in an era where its easier to stat pad. Sure his numbers are really good, but Brady was the better QB in the first four seasons. Won two divisional titles, 2 Super Bowls, plays in cold/snowy weather. Didn't blow a Super Bowl with a late pick. Didn't blow a divisional round game with two picks in the first half leading to a 31-0 deficit.

[Avante]

Hey moron, it was 31-0, with only a half to go. What happened next?
31-7
31-14
31-21
31-24

Now think ya dumb fuck, ok?

Once the Seahawks woke up (10am Seattle time) they totally out played the Panthers, just like they always do.

[Pelicans78]

Hey moron, it was 31-0, with only a half to go. What happened next.

31-7
31-15
31-21
31-24

Now ya dumb fuck, ok?

Once the Seahawks woke up (10am Seattle time) they totally out played the Panthers, just like they always do.

Stop making excuses. They were down because of turnovers from Wilson. Sure, they should have won, but no excuse getting down 31-0. And the Panthers got too complacent. Imbecile.

[Avante]

Stop it. You continue to sound like an imbecile. Wilson plays in an era where its easier to stat pad. Sure his numbers are really good, but Brady was the better QB in the first four seasons. Won two divisional titles, 2 Super Bowls, plays in cold/snowy weather. Didn't blow a Super Bowl with a late pick. Didn't blow a divisional round game with two picks in the first half leading to a 31-0 deficit.

Just how damn dumb are you?

Brady sat n a bench his first season, ok?

Then in his second....

comp % 63.9, 18-12 td/int, 86.5 QB rating

Ok, instead of me breaking it all down for ya, trust me when I tell you his numbers pale in comnparison to what RW has done, not even close. Go ahead prove me wrong. Talking those first 4 seasons.

Playoff QB rating

First 4 seasons.

Brady...77.5, 84.5, 109.4, 93.2
RW...102.4, 101.6, 90.3, 81.4

RW having the edge there also.

BUT....look at how you are using Tom Brady here, probably the best QB ever to give RW some competition, what's that tell you?

[Avante]

Challenge to the board.

Let's look at.

1. playoff success
2. reg season wins
3. comp %
4. td/int
5. QB rating
6. NFL firsts

In a QB 's first 4 seasons. Now find me anyone who did it better than RW.

Come on, when taking all that into consideration, who was more impressive.

Good luck.

I'll tell ya what I'll do, you give me the QB and I'll do the work.

[SuperCam]

7. Win% when defense gives up 25 or more points
8. Win% when trailing by 2+ touchdowns in 4th quarter
9. Win% in road playoff games
10. Superbowl losses

[Avante]

7. Win% when defense gives up 25 or more points
8. Win% when trailing by 2+ touchdowns in 4th quarter
9. Win% in road playoff games
10. Superbowl losses


Smart move not wanting to compare what Newton did vs RW, it's not even ball park. Not close at all.

[SuperCam]

Smart move not wanting to compare what Newton did vs RW, it's not even ball park. Not close at all.

RW's touchdown pass to Kuechly was impressive, but not as impressive as Cam's to Olsen yesterday :tu

[Avante]

RW's touchdown pass to Kuechly was impressive, but not as impressive as Cam's to Olsen yesterday :tu

In Cam's 4 playoff games he is 2-2, RW....7-3 with two SB's.

In the playoffs Cam is 6/5 td/int, RW....16-9.

In the playoffs Cam has a 85.9 QB rating, RW....93.4.

RW vs Cam...4-2

Hahahaha!!!!!!!!

Ya might want to be cool shorty, there is a chance Cam fucks up vs Arizona.

[SuperCam]

In Cam's 4 playoff games he is 2-2, RW....7-3 with two SB's.

In the playoffs Camis 6/5 td/int, RW....16-9.

In the playoffs Cm has a 85.9 QB rating, RW....93.4.

RW vs Cam...4-2

Hahahaha!!!!!!!!


MVPs for Cam: 1
MVPs for Russ: 0

No more Bruce Irvin, or Kam Chancellor... HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[Avante]

MVPs for Cam: 1
MVPs for Russ: 0

No more Bruce Irvin, or Kam Chancellor... HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

SB wins for RW...1
SB appearance for RW...2

Cam, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RW vs Cam, 4-2, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Career stats all in favor of RW, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Playofff success/stats, all in favor of RW, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Too easy. Let Avante be in his fantasy land. His boys got stomped. And in no way "should" they have won.

[SuperCam]

SB wins for RW...1
SB appearance for RW...2

Cam, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RW vs Cam, 4-2, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Career stats all in favor of RW, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Playofff success/stats, all in favor of RW, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wilson could have stubbed his toe on the way to the stadium, and the Hawks would have still won that game, because the Seattle defense outscored Broncos... Hahahahaha!

[Avante]

Too easy. Let Avante be in his fantasy land. His boys got stomped. And in no way "should" they have won.

31-24 is stomped?

Dude, do you understand...10am west coast time at all? That is a biggie. Once the Seahawks woke up they out scored Carolina 24-0. And if they played the game next Sunday the Seahawks win it, ya see they are the better team.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

31-24 is stomped?

Dude, do you understand...10am west coast time at all? That is a biggie. Once the Seahawks woke up they out scored Carolina 24-0. And if they played the game next Sunday the Seahawks win it, ya see they are the better team.
Maybe they shouldn't have woken up so late then. That didn't stop you from picking them. It's called playing conservative, learn the game.

[SuperCam]

In the Russell Wilson era, the Seahawks have never lost to any team twice in a season.

Cam Newton is 1-4 vs the Seahawks.

Newton is 1-2 in the playoffs.

RW is 7-2.

Just the facts.

Anyone still think it's all about BEASTMODE..?

just the facts... except your faggot ass was wrong about seattle never getting swept, which already happened this season with st. louis. Hahahahahaha ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

Wilson could have stubbed his toe on the way to the stadium, and the Hawks would have still won that game, because the Seattle defense outscored Broncos... Hahahahaha!

As ya totally ignore what it took to get there.

Would ya like to see just how much better RW's career has been over Cam's? Wanna see all those numbers?

[SuperCam]

31-24 is stomped?

Dude, do you understand...10am west coast time at all? That is a biggie. Once the Seahawks woke up they out scored Carolina 24-0. And if they played the game next Sunday the Seahawks win it, ya see they are the better team.

Also beat them in Seattle this year on west coast time. Hahahahahahah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

just the facts... except your faggot ass was wrong about seattle never getting swept, which already happened this season with st. louis. Hahahahahaha ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Looking for anything now ain't ya little fuck, hahaha!!!!!!!!

Wanna see just how badly RW has out performed Cam in their careers, well?

[Avante]

Also beat them in Seattle this year on west coast time. Hahahahahahah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now think stupid, that would be 4pm back there, not 10am.
Damn you;'re dumb.

[SuperCam]

Now think stupid, that would be 4pm back there, not 10am.
Damn you;'re dumb.

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[Avante]

Ya mean that week 6 game where Cam.

55.56 comp %
1/2 td/int
65.6......a 65.6....hahaha!!!! QB rating

While RW,,,

60.00
1/0
96.7 qb rating

That one? Stupid, the QB of that Seattle D is Bobby Wagner, ok? He didn't play that game, ok? Seattle won 59 minutes of that game, as we saw.

[SuperCam]

Ya mean that week 6 game where Cam.

55.56 comp %
1/2 td/int
65.6......a 65.6....hahaha!!!! QB rating

While RW,,,

60.00
1/0
96.7 qb rating

That one? Stupid, the QB of that Seattle D is Bobby Wagner, ok? He didn't play that game, ok? Seattle won 59 minutes of that game, as we saw.

And carolina won 60 minutes of yesterday's game ~~~~ ~hhhahaaaaahhhafaggothahaha ~~~~~



Carolina starting two defensive backs they signed off the street and RW only put up 24? hhahahaaaaaaah~~~~~~~

[Avante]

I keep saying....

So what QB with just 4 seasons of NFL experience was more impressive than RW? So who is this? Where is he at?

Come on rookie? Tell me...

Who had more wins?

More starts?

Played in more playoff games?

Had better stats?

More NFL firsts?

So, who?

The guy steps off the plane and takes over, he never sat on a bench, never missed a start, has made the playoffs every season. Has done things never seen before, NFL firsts.

So who did it better?


Yep, he fucked up early in the game, but damn..............look at what he did once he woke up....369 yards, 32 rushing yards, 3 td's, taking a 31-0 to an onside kick. That was an amazing performance, and had all of you....damn~~~~~~~ Of course ya can't admit it.

[Avante]

And carolina won 60 minutes of yesterday's game ~~~~ ~hhhahaaaaahhhafaggothahaha ~~~~~



Carolina starting two defensive backs they signed off the street and RW only put up 24? hhahahaaaaaaah~~~~~~~

Why continue to ignore?

West coast teams don't do well when they have to come east. It's a betting wrinkle well known enough to be axiomatic, but here's a thorough reminder—with some additional facts you might not have known.
Sports Insights made the infographic below (http://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/nfl-west-coast-teams-traveling-east/#!prettyPhoto) using its data analysis software. It shows the old wisdom bearing out. The interesting bits are that teams do worse the farther they travel east, and also that teams coming off of wins against the spread do massively worse (owing to the books inflating the lines for teams that are coming off of wins).

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Conext little fella, it's a known fact it's hard for west coast teams in those 10am/1 pm starts. Don't be a rookie (anymore than ya are) and think that dosn't matter, ok? Hell, ya could ctually see the Seahawks waking up as the game went on.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Why continue to ignore?

West coast teams don't do well when they have to come east. It's a betting wrinkle well known enough to be axiomatic, but here's a thorough reminder—with some additional facts you might not have known.
Sports Insights made the infographic below (http://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/nfl-west-coast-teams-traveling-east/#!prettyPhoto) using its data analysis software. It shows the old wisdom bearing out. The interesting bits are that teams do worse the farther they travel east, and also that teams coming off of wins against the spread do massively worse (owing to the books inflating the lines for teams that are coming off of wins).

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Conext little fella, it's a known fact it's hard for west coast teams in those 10am/1 pm starts. Don't be a rookie (anymore than ya are) and think that dosn't matter, ok? Hell, ya could ctually see the Seahawks waking up as the game went on.
Translated.... I was wrong, we lost bad

[Avante]

Translated.... I was wrong, we lost bad

31-24, is losing bad? Where?

Ok ok, Carolina is now 2-4 vs Seattle in the CN/RW era.

What a shame the Seahawks took so long to get going, that's why they need to win the division. Playing at 10am west coast time sucks.

[SuperCam]

31-24, is losing bad? Where?

Ok ok, Carolina is now 2-4 vs Seattle in the CN/RW era.

What a shame the Seahawks took so long to get going, that's why they need to win the division. Playing at 10am west coast time sucks.

Never had more than a 5% chance to win after early second qtr = stomped


Your faggot ass knew about the '10 am' start time and still picked Seattle to win, haha~~~~~~~haha

[Avante]

Never had more than a 5% chance to win after early second qtr = stomped


Your faggot ass knew about the '10 am' start time and still picked Seattle to win, haha~~~~~~~haha

Dummy I won 100 remember, I knew it would be hard coming off a cold weather game, the travel and a 10am start. But....I also knew Seattle was the better team. So I put myself in a win win situation.

Damn you're dumb.

31-0
31-7
31-14
31-21
31-24

And it's...Dear God if you can hear me.....

RW put on a show, as we saw.

[Avante]

ONE MORE TIME~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Give me another QB who never sat on an NFL bench, preceded to play in 10 playoff games in his first 4 seasons, winning 7 of them and a SB. Who has set NFL records while becoming the winningest QB after 4 seasons in history.

Ha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~

Ok people pay attention.

When the greatest QB ever talk is well.,..talked, we will always hear Joe Montana mentioned.

So lets compare what this giant/legend/HOFer did in his first 4 seasons, ok?

Joe started 32 games.

comp %
56.5
64.5
63.7
61.6

yds
96
1495
2565
2615

td/int

1/0
15/9
19/12
17/11

QB rating

81.1
84.8
88.4
88.0

Now compare that to this.

RW has started 64 games.

comp %

64.1
63.1
another 63.1
68.1

yards

3118
3357
3275
4025

QB rating

100.0
101.2....a record two 100 ratings in first two seasons
95.0
110.1.....without BEASTMODE.

It's not even close and that's the great Joe Montana.

Come on rookies figure this shit out, ok? Ya look dumber and dumber and.............


Ya look at how a QB stacks up against those with the same amount of NFL experience, honest ya do. Now all these guys improve with experience, ok? For RW to do what he has done with just 4 NFL seasons is totally amazing and if you rookies knew anthing at all about football you'd know that.

Little people I've been into this stuff for a long long time, seen a ton of QB's come and go ok? I have never seen anyone doing what this guy has done with so little experience before.....ok? You guys prove how little ya understand about the game everytime ya....STRUGGLE!!!!!!!!!!......since no 4th year QB has ever done it better.

You guys ever read anything, bone up on anything having to do with pro football?

Little people, talk to me about Eddie Lebaron the 5-7 inch Dallas Cowboys QB, oh yeah.........ya can't. :hat Remember Marlon "The Magician" Briscoe, a black QB for the Denver Broncios who once traded to the Bills became a 1000 yard receiver.......of course not, ha~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

John Unitas played for 18 seasons.

At no time did he ever complete 60% of his passes, have a 3500 yard season, pass for over 32 TD's in a season and did have a 24 INT season. His highest QB rating....97.4...in a season.

RW has never had a season at less than 60%, has a 4000 yard season, a 34 td season and nowhere remotely close to a 24 INT season, his best QB rating....110.1.

So down goes another one, ha~~~~~~~~~~~

NEXT????

How about......Philip Rivers?

Nevermind, the guy did next to nothing his first two seasons and his next two aren't worth mentioning?

Down goes another one, who next?

How about......Carson Palmer?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PalmCa00.htm

Now compare that to this, first 4 seasons.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00.htm


Down goes another one, ha~~~~~~~~ Whos next?

[pgardn]

John Unitas played for 18 seasons.

At no time did he ever complete 60% of his passes, have a 3500 yard season, pass for over 32 TD's in a season and did have a 24 INT season. His highest QB rating....97.4...in a season.

RW has never had a season at less than 60%, has a 4000 yard season, a 34 td season and nowhere remotely close to a 24 INT season, his best QB rating....110.1.

So down goes another one, ha~~~~~~~~~~~

NEXT????

How about......Philip Rivers?

Nevermind, the guy did next to nothing his first two seasons and his next two aren't worth mentioning?

Down goes another one, who next?

How about......Carson Palmer?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PalmCa00.htm

Now compare that to this, first 4 seasons.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00.htm


Down goes another one, ha~~~~~~~~ Whos next?

Are you Fckn kidding?

Unitas played in wide open stadiums with absolutely horrible wind, weather and field conditions. The receivers did not wear frggn gloves, footballs were not consistently dried and warmed, QBs had no gloves. Jesus H Christ!

You are the old fart here and you don't know this?
GTFOH again.
Frrgn idiot...

[Avante]

Are you Fckn kidding?

Unitas played in wide open stadiums with absolutely horrible wind, weather and field conditions. The receivers did not wear frggn gloves, footballs were not consistently dried and warmed, QBs had no gloves. Jesus H Christ!

You are the old fart here and you don't know this?
GTFOH again.
Frrgn idiot...

Stupid, they still had white cornerbacks back then, and no way shape or form the same pass rush, or speed at linebacker....ok? And, Unitas had a HOF WR/TE and the best receiving RB ever (up to that point) in Lenny Moore, another HOFer.

Little man, I saw Unitas play many times, he didn't have the arm or the legs of Russell Wilson. The game is sooooooooooo much faster today than back in the day, ok?

But, look at this, we are having to use Tom Brady, Joe Montana, John Unitas, to try and find anyone on a par with RW, that right there says it all.

The only players from the 60's who could play today would be Jim Brown, Gale Sayers and Bob Hayes who would still be the fastest player in the league. None of those QB 's could hang vs these defenses.

Dude, there are HS's with an offensive line bigger than those Packer lines, ok? Totally different level of athlete today, ok? John Unitas weighed less than 200 pounds.

Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb was a giant back then, he weighed less than 300 pounds.

[Avante]

ONE MORE TIME~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So nobody can come up with any QB who did it better when it comes to playoff success/reg season wins/stats/NFL firsts in their first 4 seasons on a par with what RW has done?

I knew that.

These are his numbers for his career.

comp %....64.7
td/int...106/34
QB rating...101.8

These are Newtons, to put RW's number in perspective.

59.5
117/64
88.2

Notice how RW has three times as many TD's as INT's? That is remarkable. There are QB 's in the HOF where it's almost even.

As we know Tom Brady is often called the best ever, here are his career numbers.

63.6
428/150
96.4

As we can see what RW has done in his short career truly is amazing and only rookies wouldn't see that. And that's without taking into account his running.


What's funny is you rookies with yor limited amount of experience don't realize what you are really seeing. Having seen Fran Tarkenton play many times, I do. He would be the best comparison, and when Tark retired he was the all time passing leader and is still in the top 10 in all the important stats.

Terry Bradshaw*** won 4 SB's, he is in the Hall of Fame.

He is 212/210 TD/INT. And in his first 4 seasons........41/73........yep, 41/73.....hard to believe isn't it?

Then there's fellow HOFer Joe Namath.

He had 11 seasons where he threw more INT's than TD's. He had 173/220.....as hard as that is to believe.

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So slow down rookies, stop acting like a retarded monkey over a great...YOUNG...QB doing things we've never seen before....ok? As we saw he is starting to progress, as they all do, by the time he's in his 12th season his numbers will be right there with everyone else, and it should be real obvious, if ya understand the game.

*** surrounded by a HOF center, RB, both WR's and a defense with THE STEEL CURTAIN, Lambert/ Ham and the great Mel Blount, there were nine HOFers on those teams.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Man, sure feels great still being in the playoffs. Got the MVP on both sides of the field, first team All-Pro QB.

Sure am glad I don't have to post sad little moral victories or excuses why we lost.

[Avante]

Man, sure feels great still being in the playoffs. Got the MVP on both sides of the field, first team All-Pro QB.

Sure am glad I don't have to post sad little moral victories or excuses why we lost.

What do the record books say little fella?

Russell Wilson 7-3 in playoff games. 1-1 in Superbowls. The 2015 passing leader. 4-2 vs Cam Newton.
Cam Newton 2-2 in playoff games. No SB's. Because of the 27th ranked schedule, 15-1 MVP season. 2-4 vs RW.

Little man, always look at things from an historical perspective, ok? Like all rookies ya get too wrapped in the right now...."a"...game.

Keep in mind in his first NFC title game RW won it and went on to win the SB, lets see how close Cam comes to that, ok? Obviously he has to win if he gets there, RW won his first one.

And, RW played in two SB's in just three seasons, here's Cam in his fifth season and "might" make one.

[Avante]

For the 4th season in a row a black QB will play in the NFC title game (probably the SB). I think that's also the case in the NCAA title game.

So we'll have...

Russell Wilson
Cam Newton
Tyrod Taylor
Colin Kaepernick...?
Jameis Winston
Teddy Bridgewater

...in 2016.

[Avante]

Tom Brady te classic pocket passer vs the athlete at QB Cam Newton...cool~~~

Giving Belichick two weeks to prepare will spell doom for the Panthers however.

[pgardn]

Stupid, they still had white cornerbacks back then, and no way shape or form the same pass rush, or speed at linebacker....ok? And, Unitas had a HOF WR/TE and the best receiving RB ever (up to that point) in Lenny Moore, another HOFer.

Little man, I saw Unitas play many times, he didn't have the arm or the legs of Russell Wilson. The game is sooooooooooo much faster today than back in the day, ok?

But, look at this, we are having to use Tom Brady, Joe Montana, John Unitas, to try and find anyone on a par with RW, that right there says it all.

The only players from the 60's who could play today would be Jim Brown, Gale Sayers and Bob Hayes who would still be the fastest player in the league. None of those QB 's could hang vs these defenses.

Dude, there are HS's with an offensive line bigger than those Packer lines, ok? Totally different level of athlete today, ok? John Unitas weighed less than 200 pounds.

Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb was a giant back then, he weighed less than 300 pounds.

We are talking about QB stats. How in Gods name is Unitas or any QB have a high rating in those pitiful conditions. They would throw wet balls caked with mud. I'm not even defending Unitas. I'm saying passing was very difficult.

You understand EXACTLY what I am saying. The conditions and equipment were horrible for the passing game. The shoulder pads were not even made to allow players to raise their arms properly to throw or catch.

You KNOW you screwed up on this one.
Take it back.

[Avante]

We are talking about QB stats. How in Gods name is Unitas or any QB have a high rating in those pitiful conditions. They would throw wet balls caked with mud. I'm not even defending Unitas. I'm saying passing was very difficult.

You understand EXACTLY what I am saying. The conditions and equipment were horrible for the passing game. The shoulder pads were not even made to allow players to raise their arms properly to throw or catch.

You KNOW you screwed up on this one.
Take it back.

I never screw up, ya see I do my homework.

In 1946 "Slingin' " Sammy Baugh completed 70% of his passes and he ended up with a 109.9 rating. Yep, as usual you're wrong yet again.

Let me put it like this....

I grew up watching...

Redskins...Sonnny Jurgenson HOF
Eagles...Norm Snead
Bears...Bill Wade
Steelers...Bill Nelson
Browns...Frank Ryan
Niners...John Brodie
Colts...John Unitas HOF
Packers...Bart Starr HOF
Cowboys...Don Meredith
Lions...Milt Plum
Vikings...Fran Tarkenton HOF
Cards..Charley Johnson
Rams...Roman Gabreil
Giants....Y.A.Tittle HOF
Oilers...George Blanda HOF....also kicked.
Bills...Jack Kemp
Patriots...Babe Parilli
Jets...Joe Namath HOF
Chiefs...Len Dawson HOF
Raiders...Darly Lamonica
Broncos...Frank Tripucka
Chargers...Tobin Rote

...and everyone who came later. The best 4 year QB I've seen.....Russell Wilson. I've never seen a young QB do the things he can do. And neither has anyone else here. They are seeing something real special but are too damn stupid to realize it.

Let's take Drew Brees for another example, trust me (ya can Google it) his first 4 seasons, not even in the same time zone as RW's.

I'm telling ya, RW can hang with anyone if talking the start of an NFL career, I can't find anyone who did it better if we take everything into consideration.

Go ahead give me the name of a guy who had a better first 4 seasons? Hell, Tom Brady was a back up, as was Aaron Rodgers. Who came in and played in 74 games in a 4 season span, yep....nobody. Going 53-21. Going 7-3 in the playoffs.

[pgardn]

I never screw up, ya see I do my homework.

In 1946 "Slingin' " Sammy Baugh completed 70% of his passes and he ended up with a 109.9 rating. Yep, as usual you're wrong yet again.

Let me put it like this....

I grew up watching...

Redskins...Sonnny Jurgenson HOF
Eagles...Norm Snead
Bears...Bill Wade
Steelers...Bill Nelson
Browns...Frank Ryan
Niners...John Brodie
Colts...John Unitas HOF
Packers...Bart Starr HOF
Cowboys...Don Meredith
Lions...Milt Plum
Vikings...Fran Tarkenton HOF
Cards..Charley Johnson
Rams...Roman Gabreil
Giants....Y.A.Tittle HOF
Oilers...George Blanda HOF....also kicked.
Bills...Jack Kemp
Patriots...Babe Parilli
Jets...Joe Namath HOF
Chiefs...Len Dawson HOF
Raiders...Darly Lamonica
Broncos...Frank Tripucka
Chargers...Tobin Rote

...and everyone who came later. The best 4 year QB I've seen.....Russell Wilson. I've never seen a young QB do the things he can do. And neither has anyone else here. They are seeing something real special but are too damn stupid to realize it.

Let's take Drew Brees for another example, trust me (ya can Google it) his first 4 seasons, not even in the same time zone as RW's.

I'm telling ya, RW can hang with anyone if talking the start of an NFL career, I can't find anyone who did it better if we take everything into consideration.

Go ahead give me the name of a guy who had a better first 4 seasons? Hell, Tom Brady was a back up, as was Aaron Rodgers. Who came in and played in 74 games in a 4 season span, yep....nobody. Going 53-21. Going 7-3 in the playoffs.

1946.... Did you see him play as well?

One example from a year right after the war?
You are a lunatic.

Are conditions better for QB ratings better now, or when Unitas played?
You are in denial. Stick to the issue. You made a craptastic comparison between very different football eras.

[Avante]

1946.... Did you see him play as well?

One example from a year right after the war?
You are a lunatic.

Are conditions better for QB ratings better now, or when Unitas played?
You are in denial. Stick to the issue. You made a craptastic comparison between very different football eras.

A lunatic totally ignores the caliber of athletes involved in todays game vs back then. The defenses that these QB's face today on a whole/totally different level than what Unitas faced. And if ya understood the game you'd know this.

Willie Davis was a monster D lineman for those Lombardi Packers, he's in the HOF all 245 pounds of him. Art Donovan who played on the Colts was another HOF D tackle, at 265 pounds. Dude, you really don't get the obvious?

The fastest cornerback in football back then was Lenny Lyles, a Colt. He was a 9.6 sprinter for Louisville, that's about a 10.50 100m. Deion Sanders ran a 10.23, Darrell Green a 10.08.

Russell Wilson faces a whole other level of athletes than what those old timers faced. You don't know this?

Take a seat son....ok?

Rookies....sheesh~~~

[Avante]

THERE IS A GOD~~~~~~~~~~

It's looking like the Seahawks will be letting BEASTMODE go, all us Niner fans ....YIPPEEEE!!!!!!!!! That's it for Seattle, he was the team.


Hahahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[pgardn]

A lunatic totally ignores the caliber of athletes involved in todays game vs back then. The defenses that these QB's face today on a whole/totally different level than what Unitas faced. And if ya understood the game you'd know this.

Willie Davis was a monster D lineman for those Lombardi Packers, he's in the HOF all 245 pounds of him. Art Donovan who played on the Colts was another HOF D tackle, at 265 pounds. Dude, you really don't get the obvious?

The fastest cornerback in football back then was Lenny Lyles, a Colt. He was a 9.6 sprinter for Louisville, that's about a 10.50 100m. Deion Sanders ran a 10.23, Darrell Green a 10.08.

Russell Wilson faces a whole other level of athletes than what those old timers faced. You don't know this?

Take a seat son....ok?

Rookies....sheesh~~~

The above has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I am saying about your assertion on QB ratings.

Now again, answer the question.
In which era is it easier to get a high QB rating? Since you think the NFL was a passing league in the 40s thru 60s that could be compared to today's passing.

Try to answer the question and quit purposely straying (as portrayed by your quite obvious contentions that have nothing to do with my question)

[Avante]

The above has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I am saying about your assertion on QB ratings.

Now again, answer the question.
In which era is it easier to get a high QB rating? Since you think the NFL was a passing league in the 40s thru 60s that could be compared to today's passing.

Try to answer the question and quit purposely straying (as portrayed by your quite obvious contentions that have nothing to do with my question)

Until you stop ignoring the fact these QB's today face far FAR better defenses you are wasting my time. Do you understand how fast these guys today have to get rid of the ball compared to back in the day....well?

Why do you think I'm so high on RW, could it because I have seen them all since Unitas? No way in hell Johhny U could play today, none.

Now talk to me about the differences in defences, ok? Stop ignoring the most important aspect of this....got it?


Fran Tarkenton could run around in circles for a good 5 seconds back then, no way he's doing that today.

Stupid, John Unitas played on an offense with 4 other HOFers, ok? He had the great Ray Berry, the great John Mackey and the great Lenny Moore, I know I know, ya don't get it.

[pgardn]

Until you stop ignoring the fact these QB's today face far FAR better defenses you are wasting my time. Do you understand how fast these guys today have to get rid of the ball compared to back in the day....well?

Why do you think I'm so high on RW, could it because I have seen them all since Unitas? No way in hell Johhny U could play today, none.

Now talk to me about the differences in defences, ok? Stop ignoring the most important aspect of this....got it?


Fran Tarkenton could run around in circles for a good 5 seconds back then, no way he's doing that today.

Stupid, John Unitas played on an offense with 4 other HOFers, ok? He had the great Ray Berry, the great John Mackey and the great Lenny Moore, I know I know, ya don't get it.

Try to focus.

QB ratings today vs. old timers.
Of course Ds are better today but so are the offenses and taking care of blitzes.
And I don't give a shit about Johnny U and you watching him.


So focus.
No gloves.
Huge wet muddy balls (no, not your testicles after a go with Moma hog in the slop)
Horrible equipment inhibiting throwing and catching (shoulder pads especially)

Do you get it? Now retract your silliness you old barnacle.

[Avante]

Try to focus.

QB ratings today vs. old timers.
Of course Ds are better today but so are the offenses and taking care of blitzes.
And I don't give a shit about Johnny U and you watching him.


So focus.
No gloves.
Huge wet muddy balls (no, not your testicles after a go with Moma hog in the slop)
Horrible equipment inhibiting throwing and catching (shoulder pads especially)

Do you get it? Now retract your silliness you old barnacle.

With each post ya get dumber and dumber, wow~~~~

Stupid why do you stuggle with this so badly? Those old timers had far more time to throw, ok dummy?

Being an idiot ya can't seem to figure out the differences between a guy like me who actually saw all that and a punk like you who only read about it.

RW has had a better first 4 seasons than anyone, why fight it?

[Avante]

While in HS he ran a 20.14 the second fastest 200m in history for a HS kid. Then off to Oklahoma State where he won the BIGI12 indoor 60, he also plays football.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsSLp3V-3iE

Then he got in a fight with his girlfriend, it got ugly. He was kicked off the track/footbal teams. Then he just...poof~~~~

Now he's at Weatern Alabams a D-II school. He runs a 4.26 40.

Remember this name...Tyreek Hill.

[pgardn]

With each post ya get dumber and dumber, wow~~~~

Stupid why do you stuggle with this so badly? Those old timers had far more time to throw, ok dummy?



Yes.

And the Defense could sit and wait because it was so difficult to throw the damn ball and catch it.
There is no way they could throw an oversized wet muddy ball in a tight spiral, they threw a whole lot of wounded birds.

Why don't you tell us about the history of the football itself?

The changes in size and materials?
Go.

[Avante]

Yes.

And the Defense could sit and wait because it was so difficult to throw the damn ball and catch it.
There is no way they could throw an oversized wet muddy ball in a tight spiral, they threw a whole lot of wounded birds.

Why don't you tell us about the history of the football itself?

The changes in size and materials?
Go.

Dummy, why ignore Don Hutson catching 74 passes in 1942?

Give it up, you're looking really bad guy, ok?

Ok, moving on you're boring me now.

[Avante]

When I buy my NFL franchise (central Cali Comets) I'm going to run a three TE offense. One speed receiver and a big back (TE can also play the position)

The use of that...too big for a DB, too fast for a LB, works. So why not maximise it? The Pats had it going with Gronk/Hernandez. Like a big back these TE 's wear down a defense, CB's want no part of a big TE.

I'd go with six TE's, two big backs and three speed receivers. Everything built around getting my TE's involved.

[pgardn]

Dummy, why ignore Don Hutson catching 74 passes in 1942?

Give it up, you're looking really bad guy, ok?

Ok, moving on you're boring me now.

74... You are bored because your whole premise of using QB ratings in the dark ages for comparison has blown up in your face.

When did the first player go over 100?
And how many times since and what years?

Tell us how the evolution of the football itself aided the passing game.
You won't, because you don't know shit.

[Avante]

74... You are bored because your whole premise of using QB ratings in the dark ages for comparison has blown up in your face.

When did the first player go over 100?
And how many times since and what years?

Tell us how the evolution of the football itself aided the passing game.
You won't, because you don't know shit.

Wrong as usual.

Prior to 1965, we had 15 seasons where some receiver caught over 70 passes.

Stupid, the first 100 reception season was Lionel Taylor in 1961, in 1964 Charley Hennigan had 101.

What are you retarded? The ball?...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Little man prior to 1955, we had...

74
66..twice
77
84
63

reception seasons.

Damn you're dumb.

[pgardn]

Wrong as usual.

Prior to 1965, we had 15 seasons where some receiver caught over 70 passes.

Stupid, the first 100 reception season was Lionel Taylor in 1961, in 1964 Charley Hennigan had 101.

What are you retarded? The ball?...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Little man prior to 1955, we had...

74
66..twice
77
84
63

reception seasons.

Damn you're dumb.

Now go modern day with 100 catches and compare ya damn illogical fool.
You don't just mention your old data and stop. Quit being such a disingenuous crusty bat fart.

And tell the board how a football has changed and why it is easier to throw now.

[Avante]

Now go modern day with 100 catches and compare ya damn illogical fool.
You don't just mention your old data and stop. Quit being such a disingenuous crusty bat fart.

And tell the board how a football has changed and why it is easier to throw now.

As you see just how wrong ya were and feel stupid.

Stupid, a 100 receptions season in 1961.....comment on that little fella, ok? Don't just ramble on and on ignoring it.

What about that slick, well?

Damn you're dumb.

Footballs.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bottom line ya dumb fuck is that RW is the best 4 year QB we have seen. And we can start with "Slingin' " Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, John Unitas, Roger Staubach, Joe Montana, John Elway, Peyton Manning....etc...it doesn't matter. And stop ignoring wins and playoff success.......ok rookie? And, I haven't even mentioned the HUGE difference in RW's running ability.

[pgardn]

As you see just how wrong ya were and feel stupid.

Stupid, a 100 receptions season in 1961.....comment on that little fella, ok? Don't just ramble on and on ignoring it.

What about that slick, well?

Damn you're dumb.

Footballs.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its not at all surprising you old toad. Good for you, now complete the task.

do modern day over 100 catches and compare.

And then tell the board how the changes in the football itself has aided the modern passing game.
Im not leaving you alone on this one till you rub your face in its stupidity.

[Avante]

Its not at all surprising you old toad. Good for you, now complete the task.

do modern day over 100 catches and compare.

And then tell the board how the changes in the football itself has aided the modern passing game.
Im not leaving you alone on this one till you rub your face in its stupidity.

Dummy they played 12-14 games schedules back then, ok stupid?

Trust me little fella you are too damn dumb to do anything, ok?

So they were catching 100 passes some 50 years ago with an inferior football....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You saw yourself taking a beating so now it's footballs, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

[pgardn]

Dummy they played 12-14 games schedules back then, ok stupid?

Trust me little fella you are too damn dumb to do anything, ok?

So they were catching 100 passes some 50 years ago with an inferior football....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You saw yourself taking a beating so now it's footballs, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

In the past 15 years The league has not failed to produce a 100 reception season and had multiples numerous times.

Adjust these numbers for your 14 game schedule you fool.

2015 - Antonio Brown 136
Julio Jones 136
2014- Antonio Brown 129

And These are just the last two seasons and don't even show all the 100 reception receivers.

You are a total and utter fool.

They were catching, they were catching? Two players

You our bragged on the great 74 reception season. Adjust that to 143 by Marvin Harrison!

[Avante]

In the past 15 years The league has not failed to produce a 100 reception season and had multiples numerous times.

Adjust these numbers for your 14 game schedule you fool.

2015 - Antonio Brown 136
Julio Jones 136
2014- Antonio Brown 129

And These are just the last two seasons and don't even show all the 100 reception receivers.

You are a total and utter fool.


No tell me dummy how many times did RW throw the ball in his first 4 seasons.....well? What ya want to do ya stupid fuck is look at what RW did vs those old timers, ok?

You're getting off the subject stupid.

There is no doubt they ran more back then but when they did throw they could....ok dummy?


In 1961, Johnny U threw 420 passes, he had a 54.5 comp %, 16/24 TD/INT, and a 66.1 QB rating.

In 2013, RW threw the ball 407 times, he completed 63.1, 26/9 and a 101.2 QB rating, let me guess ya don't get it.

[pgardn]

No tell me dummy how many times did RW throw the ball in his first 4 seasons.....well? What ya want to do ya stupid fuck is look at what RW did vs those old timers, ok?

You're getting off the subject stupid.

There is no doubt they ran more back then buy when they did throw they could....ok dummy?

You were the idiot that tried to compare QB ratings present to past with the idiotic Johnny Unitas post.
That is MY comment that YOU attempted to brush aside.

OF COURSE THEY RAN MORE. Passing was terribly difficult as I stated. You said they had all day to throw the ball? So what happened to that excuse. If you can't throw the ball with velocity it does not matter, the defense can easily cover the entire field with a QB throwing flutter balls with a big wet muddy football.

Just admit you were wrong and move on. Passing, in the years you used to compare to present day, was very difficult.

[pgardn]

No tell me dummy how many times did RW throw the ball in his first 4 seasons.....well? What ya want to do ya stupid fuck is look at what RW did vs those old timers, ok?

You're getting off the subject stupid.

There is no doubt they ran more back then but when they did throw they could....ok dummy?


In 1961, Johnny U threw 420 passes, he had a 54.5 comp %, 16/24 TD/INT, and a 66.1 QB rating.

In 2013, RW threw the ball 407 times, he completed 63.1, 26/9 and a 101.2 QB rating, let me guess ya don't get it.

So why did RW throw the ball so FEW TIMES and with such accuracy?

Here we go again. Avante trying to distort and now you are going to ruin your ENTIRE argument.

[Avante]

You were the idiot that tried to compare QB ratings present to past with the idiotic Johnny Unitas post.
That is MY comment that YOU attempted to brush aside.

OF COURSE THEY RAN MORE. Passing was terribly difficult as I stated. You said they had all day to throw the ball? So what happened to that excuse. If you can't throw the ball with velocity it does not matter, the defense can easily cover the entire field with a QB throwing flutter balls with a big wet muddy football.

Just admit you were wrong and move on. Passing, in the years you used to compare to present day, was very difficult.

No it wasn't are you really that dense?

Dude, where are you coming up with all this total bullshit at? You do know guys like Fran Tarkenton, Unitas, Jurgenson had better stats than some of these guys today......right? Let me guess ya don't know that.....either.

I'm about ready to dump your dumb ass amigo, ok? I do have compassionate for little dumb shits, ya know.

[pgardn]

No it wasn't are you really that dense?

Dude, where are you coming up with all this total bullshit at? You do know guys like Fran Tarkenton, Unitas, Jurgenson had better stats than some of these guys today......right? Let me guess ya don't know that.....either.

I'm about ready to dump your dumb ass amigo, ok? I do have compassionate for little dumb shits, ya know.

RW and Seattle had the FEWEST pass attempts in 2013.

Why?

Here we go. Ready for the bashing.

[Avante]

So why did RW throw the ball so FEW TIMES and with such accuracy?

Here we go again. Avante trying to distort and now you are going to ruin your ENTIRE argument.

I'm not distorting anything.

Simply compare what John Unitas accomplished in his first 4 seasons vs what RW has done..........BINGO~~~~~ Why you don't get that is pretty obvious, you're an idiot.

[Avante]

RW and Seattle had the FEWEST pass attempts in 2013.

Why?

Here we go. Ready for the bashing.

Dude, how you still typing? You are so badly beat up I'd think you'd take a break, wipe the blood off.

[pgardn]

I'm not distorting anything.

Simply compare what John Unitas accomplished in his first 4 seasons vs what RW has done..........BINGO~~~~~ Why you don't get that is pretty obvious, you're an idiot.


AGAIN!

Why would you compare QB ratings in times in which the passing game was so different?
Thats an idiotic comparison to make a horrible point.

Now go back and read the last two pages since you wish to start the same idiocy all over again.

[pgardn]

Dude, how you still typing? You are so badly beat up I'd think you'd take a break, wipe the blood off.

I have knocked your catheter clean out.
Is the bed pan still in place?

[pgardn]

RW and Seattle had the FEWEST pass attempts in 2013.

Why?

Here we go. Ready for the bashing.

[Avante]

I have knocked your catheter clean out.
Is the bed pan still in place?

As you totally ignore the fact RW has started every game since he's been in the NFL, that can't be said about John Unitas. And ya totally ignore their win/loss records.

Dude, all you accomplished was to prove without a shadow of a doubt you're a total idiot.

Ok, man I can't take your stupidity any longer.

See ya.

Here comes this dummy again, I GUARANTE IT!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

I'm still waiting for anyone to come up with any QB who did it better after just 4 seasons? Where is he?

[pgardn]

I'm still waiting for anyone to come up with any QB who did it better after just 4 seasons? Where is he?

AGAIN

This has nothing to do with your distortions of QB ratings by comparing Johhny U to RW.

And just for giggles since you mentioned 2013 being so stellar for RW.
Why did Seattle and RW have the fewest pass attempts in the NFL?

Hint: It has something to do with the running game...

[Avante]

AGAIN

This has nothing to do with your distortions of QB ratings by comparing Johhny U to RW.

And just for giggles since you mentioned 2013 being so stellar for RW.
Why did Seattle and RW have the fewest pass attempts in the NFL?

Hint: It has something to do with the running game...

I GAURANTEED it, and here this little shit is, AGAIN.

I own this boy, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Notice how this moron has yet to find anyone on a par with RW after their first 4 seasons?

[pgardn]

I GAURANTEED it, and here this little shit is, AGAIN.

I own this boy, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Notice how this moron has yet to find anyone on a par with RW after their first 4 seasons?

I really don't give two shits.
But your inability to understand QB ratings from the 1960s to QB ratings in 2013 is astonishing.

[Avante]

I really don't give two shits.
But your inability to understand QB ratings from the 1960s to QB ratings in 2013 is astonishing.

What's astonishing is you not being aware of how far harder it is today at the QB position vs the athletes we see on an NFL defense today.

Stupid, what about...

I saw all those guys stand there and stand there, a little shuffle, then stand some more as receivers got open, don't you get? Dummy, the speed of the game today is on a totally/completely different level today....ok moron?

Educate yourself son, ok? Check out that fierce pass rush...hahaha!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYw1bhNEoXo&list=PL8_Smf8iWrG05bYTBWZRMMwH 1HFDqNa7j

Also notice how easily both QB 's can throw the ball....ok?

Dude, those old timers didn't face that many black defenders with their speed/quicks....got it?

[pgardn]

What's astonishing is you not being aware of how far harder it is today at the QB position vs the athletes we see on an NFL defense today.

Stupid, what about...

I saw all those guys stand there and stand there, a little shuffle, then stand some more as receivers got open, don't you get? Dummy, the speed of the game today is on a totally/completely different level today....ok moron?

Educate yourself son, ok? Check out that fierce pass rush...hahaha!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYw1bhNEoXo&list=PL8_Smf8iWrG05bYTBWZRMMwH 1HFDqNa7j

Also notice how easily both QB 's can throw the ball....ok?

So you are saying your video proves that passing today & QB rating = passing & QB ratings when dinosaurs roamed the Earth?

No.

Just No.
It's not the same game you pile of old.

[Avante]

So you are saying your video proves that passing today & QB rating = passing & QB ratings when dinosaurs roamed the Earth?

No.

Just No.
It's not the same game you pile of old.

You might have seen dinosaurs in 1959 being a dumb fuck, nobody else did.

Stupid, comp % is just that, ok dummy? As is winning and td/ints, ok? It could be 2016, 2190 or 1788, it doesn't matter....got it?

Why not atually watch the video, ok? You will see how easily the ball was thrown and how little pass rush we saw...ok?

Now set your ass down and shut the fuck up..got it!

Ok, really I' m moving on now, you are just too damn stupid to waste anymore time on.

NEXT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[pgardn]

You might have seen dinosaurs in 1959 being a dumb fuck, nobody else did.

Stupid, comp % is just that, ok dummy? As is winning and td/ints, ok? It could be 2016, 2190 or 1788, it doesn't matter....got it?

Why not atually watch the video, ok? You will see how easily the ball was thrown and how little pass rush we saw...ok?

Now set your ass down and shut the fuck up..got it!

Ok, really I' m moving on now, you are just too damn stupid to waste anymore time on.

NEXT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I could get the exact same type of thing with Tony Romo 6 years back.
One video is irrelevant and totally beside the point.

CAN YOU quit pretending like the passing game today is anything like it was in the 60s?

You made a stupid comparison with Johnny Unitas and Russell Wilson.
Get it?

I was not presenting an opinion about Russell Wilson. You obviously have been trying to defend him as a QB. Fine. Just don't compare his stats with players of the 60s.
Got it small fry?

I would guess RW was helped tremendously by the running game in 2013 seeing that the Seahawks averaged the LEAST amount of pass attempts per game. It might be that the running game set up the passing game. Wilson has to get the ball there either way.

[Avante]

I agree sports fans, poor little shit. STILL...too damn dumb to figure out the differences in defenses today from back in the day.

SLOW WHITE GUYS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[pgardn]

You might have seen dinosaurs in 1959 being a dumb fuck, nobody else did.



NEXT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So now teach me about evolution Pops...

[Avante]

So now teach me about evolution Pops...

Little man, see those flashing neons....NFL FORUM, NFL FORUM, NFL FORUM....well?

This fucker really is retarded.

[pgardn]

Little man, see those flashing neons....NFL FORUM, NFL FORUM, NFL FORUM....well?

This fucker really is retarded.

Little fella, if I keep you occupied here because of your idiotic comparison, the entire board is better for it.
Public service. Keeping the folks with dementia roaming around in the basement.

Remember black place kickers in the NFL? Remember your views on that? Keep digging that grave.

[Avante]

Little fella, if I keep you occupied here because of your idiotic comparison, the entire board is better for it.
Public service. Keeping the folks with dementia roaming around in the basement.

Remember black place kickers in the NFL? Remember your views on that? Keep digging that grave.

Stomping around on a 100% idiot is digging a grave, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a retard, ha~~~~~~~~

[pgardn]

Stomping around on a 100% idiot is digging a grave, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a retard, ha~~~~~~~~

They don wanna kick!

Tell it again pops.
It was good reading.
You are a funny old man.

Except that you raped an underaged Asian girl...
Or so this board seems to indicate this rumor.

[Avante]

They don wanna kick!

Tell it again pops.
It was good reading.
You are a funny old man.

Except that you raped an underaged Asian girl...
Or so this board seems to indicate this rumor.

Little man, I knew ya were stupid but....underage PROFESSIONAL hookers...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! Dummy, ya do know these girls were hired to hustle drinks....right? The drinking age was 18, ok dummy?

Do you really think 12/13 year old girls were..."buy me drink babysan"....you can't be that stupid.

Stupid, so there ya sit on a bar stool with a little kid, drinking.........hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

[Avante]

Ok...

It's real simple....Belichick/Brady over Kubiak/Manning. Will lay the 3 110 to win 100. If I lose that's it for the day. I don't like the weather situation in Carolina and that field. But, if I win then fuck it, I will lay the 3 and back the Panthers 110 to win 100.

Currently plus $1010.

Never lost so many plays by less than 3 in my life, or in the last 30 seconds.

Notice how we have yet to see an upset?

[Avante]

10 things that stood out for me in 2015, no particular order.

How bad the Cowboys were without Romo.

Thomas Rawls, who was undrafted looking like the next big thing.

Injuries to so many star players.

The Raiders looking like the west could be theirs....soon.

Kaepernick sucking as long and hard as he did.

The Jets blowing it like they did.

Talk of an franchise in London, getting serious.

Todd Gurley!

That Panthers passing game without Benjamin.

Norman and Beckman, not being tossed from the game.

[SpursforSix]

Sorry...I just dropped in to poop. Don't mind me.

[Avante]

Sorry...I just dropped in to poop. Don't mind me.

You're a weird little shit ain't ya? I bet those who know you poke fun at ya, huh?

I do get it however, the know nothing doing all he can to mess with the know it all. Classic internet.

[SpursforSix]

You're a weird little shit ain't ya? I bet those who know you poke fun at ya, huh?

I do get it however, the know nothing doing all he can to mess with the know it all. Classic internet.

Omg...close the door, I'm not done yet. You Turd Burglar.

[Avante]

Omg...close the door, I'm not done yet. You Turd Burglar.

Why do play this stupid bullshit? What the motivation, you are trying to....??? All ya do is show how fucked up ya are.

Smart move giving up on on trying to pck ATS winners,ya really sucked at it. Not a clue about how it's done, none!

[Avante]

Ok, I see a Panther vs Pats SB, and it would be cool if if you guys made your picks....BEFORE...a game. And no whoever loses doesn't suck...ok? Ya don't get this far and suck...honest. Sure a guy can have ....a....bad game, happens to everyone, ok?

[SpursforSix]

Ok, I see a Panther vs Pats SB, and it would be cool if if you guys made your picks....BEFORE...a game. And no whoever loses doesn't suck...ok? Ya don't get this far and suck...honest. Sure a guy can have ....a....bad game, happens to everyone, ok?

Bend ove, I'll fuckin show you a bad game.

[pgardn]

Ok...

It's real simple....Belichick/Brady over Kubiak/Manning. Will lay the 3 110 to win 100. If I lose that's it for the day. I don't like the weather situation in Carolina and that field. But, if I win then fuck it, I will lay the 3 and back the Panthers 110 to win 100.

Currently plus $1010.



The major casinos stayed with NE -3 line and would not change it with 80% of the money going Pats.

What does this say?

[AlexJones]

I'm going to lay $750 on Denver + 4 and another $250 on the under, but need confirmation from Avante's picks first.

#FadeAvante

[MultiTroll]

I'm going to lay $750 on Denver + 4 and another $250 on the under, but need confirmation from Avante's picks first.

#FadeAvante
:lol

I'm not gonna read the whole thread but has anyone done the math on picking the exact opposite of what Avante picks does?

[Avante]

:lol

I'm not gonna read the whole thread but has anyone done the math on picking the exact opposite of what Avante picks does?

If ya did that you'd be minus 3100 over the last two seasons. Why not know what you're talking about ok? Plus $1000 this season.

[MultiTroll]

If ya did that you'd be minus 3100 over the last two seasons. Why not know what you're talking about ok? Plus $1000 this season.
who knows you just make shit up.
If anyone other then you bothered to do the math, let me know.

[Blake]

Ok, I see a Panther vs Pats SB, and it would be cool if if you guys made your picks....BEFORE...a game. And no whoever loses doesn't suck...ok? Ya don't get this far and suck...honest. Sure a guy can have ....a....bad game, happens to everyone, ok?

Lol you suck

[Avante]

who knows you just make shit up.
If anyone other then you bothered to do the math, let me know.

Now think just a little bit , ok? Do you really think I could get by posting bogus plays here knowing EVERYONE is dying to....YOU WERE WRONG!!!!!!!!....come on guy.

Now click on spurraiders profile, you will find a thread he posted in 2015,,,,Avante's Betting Tracker....you will see me wimning $2100 there.

So why try and talk about thing tiy know nothing about?

[Avante]

Lol you suck

As you do nothing but follow me around, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Ok rookies pay attention....


Put that Denver D vs a team that has no running game and they will thrive in third and long, which they did. It will be a whole other deal vs a team that an run like Carolina, now it's third and short, so there goes that pass rush.

Carolina wins this, and I will play 550 to win 500.

Anyone disagree? Let's do this now and not AFTER the game.

Well?

AND...if the Pats don't miss an extra point, they could have won that game, without a running game.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Clipper Nation, tell us all again about how Derek Anderson should start over Newton, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MY GOD, BEASTMODE might retire, now what will RW do, how about another 4000 yard passing season.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MultiTroll]

So why try and talk about thing tiy know nothing about?
I know nothing about losing money by picking Patriots and Cardinals, true.

[Avante]

I know nothing about losing money by picking Patriots and Cardinals, true.

Why not actually take a few mintues and read my picks, ok? Dude show me where I had Arizona, come on show me?

Dude, you know absolutely nothing about any of this, so why the bullshit?

I said this ya dumb shit.
The football Gods appear to be smiling down on the Panthers in 2015. That ridiculous schedule....wow!

No need to see things change now.

While stats/trends aren't all that in the playoffs, there is one.....TO margin. The Panthers lead the league with a plus 20, the Cards at plus 9. That is huge. So I expect to see Palmer throw a couple picks, a big special teams play for the Panthers and a fumble for the Cards.

Panthers should win this with TO's/special teams being the difference.

Just so ya know...NE plus 7, Denver a minus 4.......that's a biggie.

Turnovers the single most important thing in any football game other than home/road and injuries.

Seattle lost because of what.....turnovers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I totally nailed the Panther game, I said TO's would lose it for Arizona, well what happened?


Stop trying to talk about things you know shit about, got it faggot?

[MultiTroll]

Why not actually take a few mintues and read my picks, ok? Dude show me where I had Arizona, come on show me?

Dude, you know absolutely nothing about any of this, so why the bullshit?

Everytime I look you are running sub 50%.
Word was you are derelict gambler or posing as one.
Either way, seek help.

[Avante]

Everytime I look you are running sub 50%.
Word was you are derelict gambler or posing as one.
Either way, seek help.

Dude, you don't follow my betting, if ya did how'd you miss, this on page 30?

Ok...

It's real simple....Belichick/Brady over Kubiak/Manning. Will lay the 3 110 to win 100. If I lose that's it for the day. I don't like the weather situation in Carolina and that field. But, if I win then fuck it, I will lay the 3 and back the Panthers 110 to win 100.

Currently plus $1010.

Never lost so many plays by less than 3 in my life, or in the last 30 seconds. Stupid I'm at plus $1000, ok? And like I mentioned if you're real worried about this check out my 2014 record, plus $2100, ok?

Notice how we have yet to see an upset?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Once I saw the weather was fine I called in my Carolina pick, so where in the fuck did you get Arizona? Why not just admit you have no clue what my plays are, ok?

Where were you when I was winning over 1000? Well?

[MultiTroll]

Dude, you don't follow my betting,
I don't follow your loser betting plays.
I admit it.
I don't follow your troll schtick.
I admit it.

[Avante]

I don't follow your loser betting plays.
I admit it.
I don't follow your troll schtick.
I admit it.

Then why make shit up? I don't read you at all unless I look down and there ya are humping my leg. And why ignore my actual plus $3100 record since 2014? I don'r lose over a season, that does not happen.

Arizona..??? Come on ya little queer, sheesh~~~~~~

Dude, I can take everyone here to school talking football, troll...????????????? Ask somebody here (like you) who was Frank Tripucka and it's...huh???? He was the first Bronco QB.

[Avante]

Imagine this six man all white flag football team.

QB...Tom Brady
Julien Edelman
Danny Woodhead
Wes Welker
Donny Amandola
Jeff Janis

[MultiTroll]

This should be an easy Pats win, Brady will out play Manning. Belichick divising a sheme to off set that pass rush while Kubiak gets out coached.

Pats 24 Denver 13
Did you post this Numb Nutts?

[Avante]

Did you post this Numb Nutts?

Yep, and I also posted this faggot.

Panthers should win this with TO's/special teams being the difference

So why no comment on the one I nailed, well? Why no comment on any of my plays putting me up a $1000.....well?

[pgardn]

Ok...

It's real simple....Belichick/Brady over Kubiak/Manning. Will lay the 3 110 to win 100. If I lose that's it for the day. I don't like the weather situation in Carolina and that field. But, if I win then fuck it, I will lay the 3 and back the Panthers 110 to win 100.

Currently plus $1010.

Never lost so many plays by less than 3 in my life, or in the last 30 seconds.

Notice how we have yet to see an upset?


If ya did that you'd be minus 3100 over the last two seasons. Why not know what you're talking about ok? Plus $1000 this season.

So you lost 10 dollars this weekend?

[Avante]

So you lost 10 dollars this weekend?

Yep, sure did.

I was only going to play the Panthers game if I hit the early game because of the weather. Then when I saw...what weather?....I made the call. I mentioned how I felt about the game on page 30.

Yep, chasing $$$$. But since it's house $$$$$, cool. I would never chase my $$$$$$.

BUT....I get the siliness with the internet.....you didn't...hahaha!!!!! I wasn't around any computers Sunday during the games.

[Avante]

So just how fast is Ted Ginn....


Ginn was also a standout track athlete for the Cleveland (OH) Glenville (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Glenville_High_School) track team. As a junior, he became the national champion in the 110 meter hurdles (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/110_meter_hurdles) and recorded the best time in the nation as a senior when he won the state title for the second consecutive year. He captured the state title in the 200 meters (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/200_meters) in a time of 21.51 seconds, after posting a time of 21.44 seconds in the preliminary rounds. He also helped the Cleveland (OH) Glenville (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Glenville_High_School) track team to take the 4 x 400 metres relay (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/4_x_400_metres_relay) crown in a time of 3:15.04 minutes. He was timed at 10.5 in the 100 meters (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/100_meters) as a high school junior. As a senior, he ran the 60 meter hurdles (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/60_meter_hurdles) in 7.98 seconds, 200 meters (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/200_meters) in 21.16 seconds, 400 meters (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/400_meters) in 46.57 seconds and posted personal bests of 13.26w seconds and 13.40 seconds in the 39" 110 meter hurdles (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/110_meter_hurdles)[2] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-2)[
3] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-3)[4] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-4)

Forget the hurdles/200m, they mean nothing.

That 10.5 is what matters, that is fast for a footballer. All a wide receiuver needs. He can get behind all put a couple db's.

Elite world class speed...10.2...Olympic finalist sub 10.00/

[pgardn]

Ok...

It's real simple....Belichick/Brady over Kubiak/Manning. Will lay the 3 110 to win 100. If I lose that's it for the day. I don't like the weather situation in Carolina and that field. But, if I win then fuck it, I will lay the 3 and back the Panthers 110 to win 100.

Currently plus $1010.

Never lost so many plays by less than 3 in my life, or in the last 30 seconds.

Notice how we have yet to see an upset?


Yep, sure did.

I was only going to play the Panthers game if I hit the early game because of the weather. Then when I saw...what weather?....I made the call. I mentioned how I felt about the game on page 30.

Yep, chasing $$$$. But since it's house $$$$$, cool. I would never chase my $$$$$$.



BUT....I get the siliness with the internet.....you didn't...hahaha!!!!! I wasn't around any computers Sunday during the games.

The quote on pg. 30 is up AGAIN.

You did NOT make the call on this board.

You are a liar.

Its quite simple.
How does it feel to know you lie and that other people know you lie?

There is absolutely every reason in the world to assume you have lied about all your years of betting. You have done nothing on this board except give out blatantly false and misleading information. This should be noted by everyone on this board. You have NO credibility. NONE.

[HemisfairArena]

Whoever Avante picks for the super bowl,,,,take the other side and win money,,,,

[AlexJones]

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/soregresstomean-140605181014-phpapp01/95/regression-to-the-mean-kevin-cummins-addictions-seminar-ucsd-4-638.jpg?cb=1402064050

Even if Avante is actually up $3100 this season, which I doubt he is, shit will eventually fall back down to earth. From now on, through next season as well, we #FadeAvante

[Avante]

The quote on pg. 30 is up AGAIN.

You did NOT make the call on this board.

You are a liar.

Its quite simple.
How does it feel to know you lie and that other people know you lie?

There is absolutely every reason in the world to assume you have lied about all your years of betting. You have done nothing on this board except give out blatantly false and misleading information. This should be noted by everyone on this board. You have NO credibility. NONE.

Do this....

Go to spurraiders profile..ok? Now find his...Avante Betting Thread...from 2014...ok? Now tell me what you see. You will watch me start out at minus 330..ok? Only to end up..plus 2100, hell why not PM him and ask him, ok? Do that, PM spurraider and ask him, ok?

Now look at what I said about that Carolina play, I mentioned the weather,...right? I said tht Carolina was the play,....right? So once I saw the weather wasn't a factor I made the call. I wasn't around any computers being in a bar.

Little man you try so hard at this its fucking funny....hahaha!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

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Even if Avante is actually up $3100 this season, which I doubt he is, shit will eventually fall back down to earth. From now on, through next season as well, we #FadeAvante

Why not actually pay attentin..ok? I said I was up 3100 since 2014, ok? 2014 I was plus 2100 this season plus 1000...now add that up.

[pgardn]

Do this....

Go to spurraiders profile..ok? Now find his...Avante Betting Thread...from 2014...ok? Now tell me what you see. You will watch me start out at minus 330..ok? Only to end up..plus 2100, hell why not PM him and sk him, ok? Do that, PM spurraider and sdk him, ok?

Now look at what I said about that Carolina play, I mentioned the weather,...right? I said tht Carolina was the play,....right? So once I saw the weather wasn't a factor I made the call. I wasn't around any computers being in a bar.

Little man you try so hard at this its fucking funny....hahaha!!!!!!!!!!

No you most certainly did NOT make the call.

Dont act like a child. You posted a something that put you in a no lose stituation.
And you did not come back to post " weather is good so I will make the bet EVEN THOUGH I SAID I WOULD NOT IF THE PATS LOST.

You did not make any call.

You are a liar.
And you know this.

heads I win, tales I don't lose... Just stop with your nonsense you lying sack of old.

[Avante]

Whoever Avante picks for the super bowl,,,,take the other side and win money,,,,

What are you simply retarded? Anyone playting that the last two seasons woud be minus 3100.

Damn you're dumb.

[Avante]

No you most certainly did NOT make the call.

Dont act like a child. You posted a something that put you in a no lose stituation.
And you did not come back to post " weather is good so I will make the bet EVEN THOUGH I SAID I WOULD NOT IF THE PATS LOST.

You did not make any call.

You are a liar.
And you know this.

Stupid, what about....because oif the weather.,...don't you get? Then to see that the weather wasn't a factor.....now think ok? Dude, are you for real?

If I hadn't of mentiined the game at all, then that would be different. But t make it real clear I was concerned with the weather.....well?

Damn little man, hahaha!!!!!!!!!

Dude, ask spurraider what I won in 2014, ok? He kept up with it. Come on guy cool your stupidity and let him tell how disappointed he was ....ok?

[pgardn]

Stupid, what about....because oif the weather.,...don't you get? Then to see that the weather wasn't a factor.....now think ok? Dude, are you for real?

If I hadn't of mentiined the game at all, then that would be different. But t make it real clear I was concerned with the weather.....well?

Damn little man, hahaha!!!!!!!!!

Dude, ask spurraider what I won in 2014, ok? He kept up with it. Come on guy cool your stupidity and let him tell how disappointed he was ....ok?

Everyone can read your post.
You are wandering away from this weekend.
You have no case. NONE.

Is it really easy to lie, or do you think about it after the fact? Just a little guilt?

[Avante]

Everyone can read your post.
You are wandering away from this weekend.
You have no case. NONE.

Is it really easy to lie, or do you think about it after the fact? Just a little guilt?

So when are you going to PM spurraider?

So I talk about the Panthers being the play, ok? But will hold off because of the weather...right? Now think stupid, if there isn't a weather problem......well?

Come on guy just how hard up are you?

It is funny watching you, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, I hang out with a bunch of gamblers at a little bar on Sundays, ok? MANY...times we place bets on the phone. I've actually won over 2600 this season but didn't mention those play here.

Stupid, do you understand anything at all about ATS wagering?

[pgardn]

So when are you going to PM spurraider?

So I talk about the Panthers being the play, ok? But will hold off because of the weather...right? Now think stupid, if there isn't a weather problem......well?

Come on guy just how hard up are you?

It is funny watching you, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, I hang out with a bunch of gamblers at a little bar on Sundays, ok? MANY...times we place bets on the phone. I've actually won over 2600 this season but didn't mention those play here.

Stupid, do you understand anything at all about ATS wagering?

You never changed anything.
Everyone can read your post.
Where you hang out has nothing to do with your lying.

When I see your posts all I can think of is a pathological liar.
So there is no guilt?

[Avante]

You never changed anything.
Everyone can read your post.
Where you hang out has nothing to do with your lying.

When I see your posts all I can think of is a pathological liar.
So there is no guilt?

I haven't lied about anything, you asked me if I'd lost 10 bucks this week, well, that's what I lost. Are you really dumb enought tio not know us gamblers are constantly on the phone placing bets? You really this dense?

Sorry dummy but you don't pass on Carolina minus 3 if the weather isn't a factor, ok rookie?

Dude, it bugs the hell out of ya that ya don't know shit and I do, doesn;'t it?

In 2014 spurraider wanted to show everyone howe badly I sucked at this, so he posted an Avante Betting Tracker thread, ok? It was suppose to be me losing a lot of $$$$ and looking stupid. Well as time went on it became real obvious that wasn't going to happen as posters lost all interest as I had one winning week after another, go ahead dummy ask him.

Look at you now, where were you winning I was winning over 1200 this season, well?

Stop running your big mouth and PM spurraider, he will tell you....yep, he won over 2000.

[Avante]

It is funny. I;ve been posting winning picks right here all season, I had one winning week after another....crickets. I lose a few plays and....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is funny.

I'll nail the Carolina game, right down to....TO's will be why Arizona loses....crickets.
I miss the NE game because of a missed extra point and it's...YOU SUCK!

Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...rookies, hahaha!!!!!

[Avante]

Ok heres how it really is as we will see.

The Pats were without their two top RB's so they had given up on the run. So what's that do? Yep, third and long and here comes that pass rush. That won't be Carolina, they can and will run the ball, meaning third and short. Which is a whole different game.

Now add the fact the Broncos won't have that 5000 foot elevation on their side in this one.

The Panthers are plus 27 in the TO battle, the Broncos about even. That is huge.

I see Carolina winning this 32-17. And will play 550 to win 500.

[pgardn]

You never changed anything.
Everyone can read your post.
Where you hang out has nothing to do with your lying.

When I see your posts all I can think of is a pathological liar.
So there is no guilt?

You might have won in 2014 but that's irrelevant to this season.


All of the above in quotes is still relevant.

You are a liar and a really lousy liar.
It is possible you actually bet the Carolina game but this board will never know by what you posted.
What this board does know is what you did post.
You flat out lied in a very childish manner.

Im certainly not going to follow you around looking at all your bets when the few I look at in the 2015 season are disingenuous or obvious lies. Have fun shooting under par super bowl weekend with the boys.

Most posters do not have time to read through all your rambling distortions . Those that have are bored because they know what you are. You rely on the length of a thread to cover your lies. Yep. That's about it son.

[Avante]

You might have won in 2014 but that's irrelevant to this season.


All of the above in quotes is still relevant.

You are a liar and a really lousy liar.
It is possible you actually bet the Carolina game but this board will never know by what you posted.
What this board does know is what you did post.
You flat out lied in a very childish manner.

Im certainly not going to follow you around looking at all your bets when the few I look at in the 2015 season are disingenuous or obvious lies. Have fun shooting under par super bowl weekend with the boys.

Most posters do not have time to read through all your rambling distortions . Those that have are bored because they know what you are. You rely on the length of a thread to cover your lies. Yep. That's about it son.

Do you think at all? Do you really think I think I can pull any bullshit here knowing how many here are dying to....YOU LOST YIPPPEEE!!!!....well? You being a prime example.

If I can win over $2100 right here in 2014 do you really think I can't come back with a $1000 season? Which sucks by my standards. Why do you think I know all these trends/stats/"spots" and not be a serious ATS player? Just how damn dumb are you?

Dude, you work way too hard at this, am I really this important to you? Look at you, you only come here to talk to me, hahaha!!!!!!!! Yep, a real bad case of Avante-itist.

Ok, starting right now unless ya wanna talk football I"m done with your dumbasss, got it?

[johnsmith]

He's lying to strangers on the internet again? I'm shocked.

[Avante]

I'll be gone for about a week, my property up by the lake needs some work due to the rains. The neighbors are complaining.

I have no internet up there.

So before I go....

Derek Anderson......hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

A little traveling music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erukHUyLQcA

[Avante]

He's lying to strangers on the internet again? I'm shocked.

Dude, show me one lie, come on, show me?

And, all this football action and here you are once again only here to....Avante boohoo bohoo.....hahaha!!!!!!!!

Why not talk football guy?

[johnsmith]

Dude, show me one lie, come on, show me?

And, all this football action and here you are once again only here to....Avante boohoo bohoo.....hahaha!!!!!!!!

Why not talk football guy?

For someone that is so frustrated with what I post about on here, you sure do jump at the chance to respond.

Liar, Welch.

[Avante]

For someone that is so frustrated with what I post about on here, you sure do jump at the chance to respond.

Liar, Welch.

Wel when the only then you do here is..Avante boohooboohoo.....HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Don;t you get bored with just bugging people?

Ok, heading out, but I have no doubts when I get back here you'll be...

You....that Avante does what he wants, not what I want WHAWAHAWAHWIMPERWIMPER.


Gone~~~~~~~~~~

[AlexJones]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZqb2dmWAAEPsvT.jpg:large


Good news for Denver backers. Just need Avante for confirmation now

[pgardn]

You might have won in 2014 but that's irrelevant to this seas

You are a liar and a really lousy liar.
It is possible you actually bet the Carolina game but this board will never know by what you posted.
What this board does know is what you did post.
You flat out lied in a very childish manner.

Im certainly not going to follow you around looking at all your bets when the few I look at in the 2015 season are disingenuous or obvious lies. Have fun shooting under par super bowl weekend with the boys.

Most posters do not have time to read through all your rambling distortions . Those that have are bored because they know what you are. You rely on the length of a thread to cover your lies. Yep. That's about it son.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Even Frizzle and that Alcohol Fetal Syndrome product pgardn are stomping a mudhole in Avante's ass ITT. Old Faggot really is clueless.

[pgardn]

:lol Even Frizzle and that Alcohol Fetal Syndrome product pgardn are stomping a mudhole in Avante's ass ITT. Old Faggot really is clueless.

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.

Idiot...

[chunticakes]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZqb2dmWAAEPsvT.jpg:large


Good news for Denver backers. Just need Avante for confirmation now

Holy shit. Look for them to adjust the line as the game draws near. But damn 81%?!

[Avante]

I called the play in at Carolina - 4.5, will play 550 to win 500.

Not a big trend/stats player for the playoffs, here it really is who is healthy/coach/QB/being hot at the right time....as we saw Arizona was freezing by playoff time.

But....

Denver 18 Black QB's 85 in the SB. Yep, Doug Williams killed them, Russell Wilson killed them and now Cam will kill them.

Speaking of Arizona, would you believe they used to play a game for third place? Yep, it would be Cards vs Pats for third place if it were 1960=1969.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if we don't see Osweiler end the game for Denver. Yep, don't want to get Peyton killed.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

More firsts for Russell Wilson, first player drafted in the pro bowl. His merchandize number one.

Not that I would ever watch a pro bowl.

[Avante]

I see a Carolina victory never in doubt in this one. So how about your prediction...BEFORE...the game, ok?

So who disagrees?

I went 8-2 SU in the playoffs, plan on going 9-2.

Cam Newton has never lost a Championship game, he won National Championships at Blinn JC (a track powerhouse) Auburn and now in the NFL. Only QB in history to do that.

The Broncos have never beat a black QB in the SB, make it 0-3.

Score...Black QB'd 85 Denver 18, so far.

[Avante]

Pay attention.

O.J. Simpson averaged...

3.9
4.1
4.1

....his first three seasons in pro football, he never gained over 760 yards in a season, there was talk of him being a bust, well in a way he was, he does have a bust in the Hall of Fame.

Would you people please slow the fuck down and give things some damn time? Stop acting fucking goofy over a game, a play or even a season or a couple, ok? I've seen some of you....HE SUCKS!!!!!!!...over a play are you kidding me? The Packers once held Barry Sanders to ..0..yards in a game, what....HE SUCKS!!!!!!...ha~~~

We have QB's in the HOF who threw almost as many picks as TD's, RB's with a 3.9 average.

It takes a QB some time to get it at the NFL level and none of them are at their best in 1-6 years, none of them, ok rookies?

And never ever ever ever, talk shit when the score is 6-0 in a third quarter, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slow down little people, give things some time...............ok?

This was fucking funny.

Carolina is killing them, 24 to 0.
STRUGGLE...HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH MY GOD A BLOWOUT...at 31-0

half time

Seattle scores....7-31

well we didn't plan on a shutout.

Seattle scores...14-31

not a bad pass by struggle.

21-31

Ah...well..ah...

24-31

Ok ok struggle is getting a little lucky (gulp)

31-24 final

Carolina killed them, STRUGGLE HAHAHAHA (while inside...whew close, that Russell Wilson, wow!)

[Avante]

Russell Wilson three more td's and an MVP.

I realize nobody here knows much history so trust me when I tell you nobody has done it better after just 4 seasons....nobody!!!!!!!

But, how's he going to make it without....BEASTMODE....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! How aout an NFL record 4000/34/500....haha!!!!!

Thank God Derek Anderson wasn't there when he arrived in Seattle, he'd still be sitting the bench, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can I see RW's greatness, all the media guys go on and on about him but some of you just don't get it, weird.

This...I MUST PROVE AVANTE WRONG....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My fav...

$$$winning week
winning week
winning wek
break even
winning week
winning week
losing week......HAHAHAHA YOU SUCK AT THIS.

Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Wayne Allyn Root made his living selling his ATS plays to the public. He had it down, he left no stone unturned. I read his book and learned how to beat the NFL point spread. Yes there is a science to it. When I say ...beat...I am talking 58%. That really is all anyone can hope for so it comes down to money management, knowing what plays to up to bet. Root preached that.

He also preached ..role playing. A team will be one of 4 things...

HF...home fav
HD...road dog
RF...road fav
RD...road dog

ya need to know how these teams perform vs ATS in whatever role they are in that week.

This week we have Carolina as a RF vs Denver as a RD....something we will only see in a SB. Yep, unique.

There really isn't anything strong there, but you need to know that. The Marc Lawrence (professional gambler) PLAYBOOK, has every stat/trend/angle in existence. A must for any ATS player.

This helps.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/against-the-spread/

There are a couple things that do favor Denver in this "spot" talking ATS, one is the Panthers have struggled coming off a bye week. And, playoffs teams scoring 40 points in a game are 5-22 the following week ATS.

And at 6.5/7 a case can be made for Denver and I know Root would be on that side. But I jumped on that 4.5 the minute it came out anticipating the public would bump it up to 7, which I think it will be by kickoff.

I have mentioned in the playoffs ya don't wanna get too in tune to trends, here it's more about coach/QB and health. But I like to disect things looking for something that gives me the edge. My experience/knowledge lets me know what to look for. And here it is....

The Panthers will win the turnover battle. They are amazing at taking the ball away, number one in the league. Denver entered the playoff at minus 4 in TO's, Carolina a plus 20, that is HUGE.

So I'll either end up plus $450 or plus $1500. Will play 550 to win 500 laying the 4.5.

Now if anyone disagree let's have now and not after the game. And tell me why Denver is the play.

I get we have a lot of kids out there who get off bugging people while in hiding, I do have my fun with that but....if ya follow my ATS plays you will never have a losing season. It will always be about how much you will win. This season I lost 6 games in the last minute of the game. Three times that hook did me in. Not a good year, but another winning one, like they all are.

[Avante]

Imagine crawling out of bed with Miss America, or was it Miss USA and then going to catch passes from Joe Montana.

[Avante]

Kaepernick to the Jets, hmmmm?

First player the Jets ever drafted was George Izo a QB out of ND. That was in 1960, then in 1962 they drafted Sandy Stephens from Minnesota, THEN...in 1965 here game Joe Namath...EUREKA~~~~~

Since Broadway Joe , a whole slew of guys other teams dumped. They did have a decent QB in Richard Todd another Bama QB and Ken O' Brien out of tiny Cal-Davis.

Hell, why not Colin Kaepernick? But, he's not an upgrade over Fitzpatrick.

[Avante]

Ok...

Let's get off..AVANTE AVANTE AVANTE and AVANTE....and talk football, ok?

Here's how it's going to go.

The Panthers will overwelm the Broncos and Peyton. The outcome will never be in a doubt, a total and complete beat down. I wouldn't be surprised to see Osweiler come in to protect Peyton.

The Panthers will get three turnovers, control the line of scrimmage and make it look easy.

How about...32-13?

[AlexJones]

Ok...

Let's get off..AVANTE AVANTE AVANTE and AVANTE....and talk football, ok?

Here's how it's going to go.

The Panthers will overwelm the Broncos and Peyton. The outcome will never be in a doubt, a total and complete beat down. I wouldn't be surprised to see Osweiler come in to protect Peyton.

The Panthers will get three turnovers, control the line of scrimmage and make it look easy.

How about...32-13?

FADE AVANTE BABY

[Avante]

My take...

First off I party on SB weekend, It's a real big deal with my circle of friends. And we party up in the hills above Porterville. I just got back, it took me awhile to be able to drive. And I still have a headache.

I haven't read anything here....yet....but I'm betting it's a bunch of rookies OVER REACTING to "a" game...right? Now Newton totally sucks...right? Hahahaha~~~~ As he joins..

Dan Marino
Jim Kelly
Fran Tarkenton
Dan Fouts
Sonny Jurgenson
Warren Moon

...who have never won the big one. All of those guys in the HOF....anyway.

OBVIOUSLY, the Panthers 0 didn't show up....why? The offense totally sucked, while the D played good enought to win.

There are a few things I should have put more into.....

Denver wanting to win one for Peyton.
Denver wanting to make amends for the last time they were there.
Carolina known for struggling after a bye week in the Newton era.

I don't wanna hear anything about that catch that was called incomplete, or any excuses, this was a butt kicking.

Cam Newton did prove that he is no Russell Wilson, who handles defeat like a man/leader should. To watch this guy looking like a spoiled brat, not good. BUT....at his age, he will have plenty of chances to get it right.

[Avante]

Knowing the depth of the water here.....

Stop being sooooooooooooo damn caught up in the right now, ok rookies? Always look at that big picture, ok? Stop over reacting to every fucking thing....ok? Newton is a young guy, now think, ok rookies? Don't put too much into any 5th year QB, ok? If he's a stud like RW, cool, but he's going to get even better, as is Newton and all these young guys....ok?

Rookies, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


If you little shits are going to talk to me elevate your game, got it?

[johnsmith]

Knowing the depth of the water here.....

Stop being sooooooooooooo damn caught up in the right now, ok rookies? Always look at that big picture, ok? Stop over reacting to every fucking thing....ok? Newton is a young guy, now think, ok rookies? Don't put too much into any 5th year QB, ok? If he's a stud like RW, cool, but he's going to get even better, as is Newton and all these young guys....ok?

Rookies, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


If you little shits are going to talk to me elevate your game, got it?


Hey fuck stick....it's the super bowl....id say that's the big picture. No one on here is talking legacy except for you.


Fuck you're stupid.

[Avante]

Hey fuck stick....it's the super bowl....id say that's the big picture. No one on here is talking legacy except for you.


Fuck you're stupid.

A fucking...AVANTE AVANTE AVANTE....calling anyone stupid, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bitch, how long have you been sucking cock?

[johnsmith]

A fucking...AVANTE AVANTE AVANTE....calling anyone stupid, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bitch, how long have you been sucking cock?

You're washed up and tired. Your posts don't even acknowledge the subject anymore because you're too stupid.


Now dance clown!!

[Avante]

You're washed up and tired. Your posts don't even acknowledge the subject anymore because you're too stupid.


Now dance clown!!

Apparently you're not paying little man. Who gets most the attention here? Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at you, who do you spend 90% of your time here humping on his leg, yep....Avante. Why is that ya little queer?

[johnsmith]

Apparently you're not paying little man. Who gets most the attention here? Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at you, who do you spend 90% of your time here humping on his leg, yep....Avante. Why is that ya little queer?

Easy camvante....

Down dance clown!

[Avante]

Easy camvante....

Down dance clown!

Hump leg faggot, hump.

Does this little fucker got it bad or what, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

I always get a kick out of thIs black/white thing on the internet.

I remember the old SEC/SWC back when they had no black players. And there was a time when less than half the NFLers were black (not talking way back). Trust me when I tell ya......SLOW...ok? White guys simply don't have that....SIZE/SPEED...combo, ok?

Would you believe in the history of sprinting, no white American has ever ran a sub10.00? Hell, the HS record is 10.00. The fastest white American is John Teeters who has a 10.07 and he's at Oklahoma St right now.

The NFL has had...

Ron Brown
Sam Graddy
Trindon Holliday
Bob Hayes
Jacoby Ford
Alvis Whitted

...all run a 10.07 or faster.

White people can't run that fast, and it's real obvious.

Look at Von Miller, Derrick Thomas, Deacon Jones, Lawrence Taylor, with that size/speed. White guys can't do that? Oh yeah, JJ Watt....ha~~~

Look at yesterday games, who was starring, yep....big fast black guys.

[Avante]

The dumbest thing I read here is this..

Avante lost he won't be back (or something to that effect) do you little people honestly believe I'm at all afraid of midgets, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! I get a kick out of you little people, that isn't obvious?

Look at all of you who were totally wrong about the SB, but notice how I'm the only one who gets any bullshit over it, ha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yep, big fish, small pond.

[AlexJones]

Avante.. has been successfully faded

[Jodelo]

Ok...

Let's get off..AVANTE AVANTE AVANTE and AVANTE....and talk football, ok?

Here's how it's going to go.

The Panthers will overwelm the Broncos and Peyton. The outcome will never be in a doubt, a total and complete beat down. I wouldn't be surprised to see Osweiler come in to protect Peyton.

The Panthers will get three turnovers, control the line of scrimmage and make it look easy.

How about...32-13?


:lmao

[Avante]

Avante.. has been successfully faded


Avante had a piss poor ATS season but STILL won $$$$. That's 23 winning seasons in a row. Lost so many games with a minute to go, it was weird.

[Avante]

:lmao

What was your pick?

[Avante]

Top 10 NFL QB's in 2016.

1.Tom Brady
2.Aaron Rodgers
3.Big Ben
4.Drew Brees
5.Russell Wilson
6.Tony Romo
7.Cam Newton
8.Andrew Luck
9.Carson Palmer
10.Eli Manning

Top 10 PAC12 QB's

1.John Elway Stanford
2.Aaron Rodgers Cal
3.Warren Moon Wash
4.Dan Fouts Oreg
5.Troy Aikman UCLA
6.Carson Palmer USC
7.Drew Bledsoe WSU
8.John Brodie Stanford
9.Mark Brunell Wash
10.Andrew Luck Stanford

Top 10 All Time

1.Tom Brady
2.Joe Montana
3.Peyton Manning
4.Brett Favre
5.Dan Marino
6.Drew Brees
7.John Elway
8.Warren Moon
9.John Unitas
10.Fran Tarkenton

Top 10 Black QB's

1.Warren Moon
2.Russell Wilson
3.Donovan McNabb
4.Cam Newton
5.Randall Cunningham
6.Steve McNair
7.Michael Vick
8.Daunte Culpepper
9.Teddy Bridgewater
10.Tyrod Taylor

Top 10 Non Power Five Conference QB's

1.Brett Favre So.Miss
2.Steve Young BYU
3.Big Ben Miami of Ohio
4.Kurt Warner Northern Iowa
5.Terry Bradshaw LaTech
6.Tony Romo Eastern Illinois
7.Phil Simms Augustana
8.Randall Cunnigham UNLV
9.Joe Flacco Delaware
19.Steve McNair Alcorn

Top 10 QB's to never win a SB (in the era)

1.Dan Marino
2.John Unitas
3.Warren Moon
4.Fran Tarkenton
5.Dan Fouts
6.Jim Kelly
7.Philip Rivers
8.Sonny Jurgenson
9.Tony Romo
10.Vinny Testerverde

Top 10 Niner QB's

1.Joe Montana
2.Steve Young
3.Y.A.Tittle
4.John Brodie
5.Jeff Garcia
6.Alex Smith
7.Jim Plunkett
8.Colin Kaepernick
9.Steve DeBerg
10.George Mira

[Avante]

http://sportshoop.la/threads/the-difference-between-cam-and-russell.203111/

[Darth_Pelican]

Top 10 Black QB's

1.Warren Moon
2.Russell Wilson
3.Donovan McNabb
4.Cam Newton
5.Randall Cunningham
6.Steve McNair
7.Michael Vick
8.Daunte Culpepper
9.Teddy Bridgewater
10.Tyrod Taylor

Teddy Bridgewater & Tyrod Taylor but no Doug Williams? Come on man. Doug Williams stats don't jump off the page at all, but the dude has a Superbowl MVP in his trophy case. Tyrod Taylor above him?

[Avante]

Teddy Bridgewater & Tyrod Taylor but no Doug Williams? Come on man. Doug Williams stats don't jump off the page at all, but the dude has a Superbowl MVP in his trophy case. Tyrod Taylor above him?

Are you kidding me? Hey man, you know I would never leave off Doug Williams, EL DUHO AVANTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He would be number 7.

How that happened...?????????

[Avante]

I tell ya what I'm going to do, I get that nobody gives a damn about facts/how it really is, and all ya really want to do....

CAM NEWTON SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

PEYTON MANNING SUCKS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's all about....I WAS RIGHT, YOU WERE WRONG YIPPPPEEEEEEE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So I'm going to take a month off from this forum and not stand it the way of all that immaturity.

See ya~~~~~~~~~~

[johnsmith]

I tell ya what I'm going to do, I get that nobody gives a damn about facts/how it really is, and all ya really want to do....

CAM NEWTON SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

PEYTON MANNING SUCKS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's all about....I WAS RIGHT, YOU WERE WRONG YIPPPPEEEEEEE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So I'm going to take a month off from this forum and not stand it the way of all that immaturity.

See ya~~~~~~~~~~

Lol

[.G.]

https://i.imgur.com/eaXFu8d.jpg

[johnsmith]

So I'm going to take a month off from this forum and not stand it the way of all that immaturity.

See ya~~~~~~~~~~

I'm shocked that you didn't stick to this....shocked I say.

[Avante]

I'm shocked that you didn't stick to this....shocked I say.

Are you ever going to figure this out? Anytime I get around jerks like you I mess with them, ok? Look at yourself little man, soooooooooooooooooooooo damn worried about Avante...........WHY??????????????????? Dude...WHY????????????????????????????????

The one guy here who can talk every decade of pro football and all I ge is some dummy like you acting stupid because ya don't know how to act around someone like Avante. It's comical little man watching how ya act over Avante. It's funny.

[Avante]

10 questions for 2016.

Will Cam Newton be so messed up in the head he regresses in 2016?

Will Andrew Luck cool all those INT's?

Just how bad will my Niners suck?

Will Derrick Henry's style work in the NFL?

Can Russell Wilson continue to prove he is a legit pocket passer who can run?

Is RGIII ready to be an NFL QB?

Will that Big Ben to Antonio Browm remain the best passing combo in the league?

How badly will the Broncos miss Peyton?

Will Todd Gurley be the next stud RB?

Will Tom Brady start to show some age?

[SpursforSix]

10 questions for 2016.

Will Cam Newton be so messed up in the head he regresses in 2016?

Will Andrew Luck cool all those INT's?

Just how bad will my Niners suck?

Will Derrick Henry's style work in the NFL?

Can Russell Wilson continue to prove he is a legit pocket passer who can run?

Is RGIII ready to be an NFL QB?

Will that Big Ben to Antonio Browm remain the best passing combo in the league?

How badly will the Broncos miss Peyton?

Will Todd Gurley be the next stud RB?

Will Tom Brady start to show some age?

#11

Will you acknowledge your moral shortcomings and pay penitence for your transgressions in Olongapo.

[Avante]

#11

Will you acknowledge your moral shortcomings and pay penitence for your transgressions in Olongapo.

Dude, I stumbled up on a gold mine there. Look at all the action this has gotten. Something as simple as sailors in bars is huge "here". I'm having too much fun watching you little freaks acting retarded over it.

Talk about the king troll, there it is. I toss out a few..."Im no pedo, grrrrrr!!!!!!!!"....and I'm good for a month:king

[Avante]

The Pats in a double TE set with a fullback, wow~~~

[Avante]

Speaking of the top 10 QB's of all time.

Obviously when playing this it is about dominance of era. Yes yes none of those old timers could play today with the possible exception of Roman Gabriel and Fran Tarkenton.

1.Joe Montana ND/Niners
2.Tom Brady Mich/Pats
3.Peyton Manning Tenn/Colts
4.John Unitas Louisville/Colts
5.Otto Graham Northwestern/Browns
6.Brett Favre Southern Miss/Packers
7.Dan Marino Pitt/Dolphins
8.John Elway Stanford/Broncos
9.Drew Brees Purdue/Saints
10.Fran Tarkenton Georgia/Vikes

[Avante]

Talking stud Cowboy RB's.

Don Perkins New Mexico. He was actually a FB, which back then they were the ball carriers, Jim Brown was a FB. Perkins was a slasher with a great burst but he lacked breakaway speed.

Calvin Hill has a couple of destinctions, he was the first Cowboys 1000 yard rusher and the first Ivy Leaguer to have a 1000 yard NFL season, he was a 25 foot long jumper at Yale. 6-4 and had a monster stride.

Tony Dorett, he had one of the smoothest styles ever seen, so smooth. Here we had a guy with blazing speed, he was thru a whole ...zoom. And he had great vision, he was great runner. He was out of Pitt.

Emmitt Smith Florida, nice quicks/hard running combo. He wasn't really fast, or overly elusive, but he knew where to run and had some power and a great burst, short range quicks.

Ezekeil Elliott Ohio State, here we the closest thing to that total package, he has it all and will be the best back the Cowboys have had since Smith, yep, better than Murray. A speed back who can run over people or out juke them. He can hurt ya catching the ball, he can bang with on coming rushers. A QB 's dream.

[Avante]

Just think the Rams have had....

Tank Younger...first player out of Grambling in the NFL.
Deacon Dan Towler
Dick Bass
"Jaguar" Jon Arnett...USC long jumper/gymnast
Laurence McCutheon
Steven Jackson
Eric Dickerson
Marshall Faulk
Jerome Bettis
Todd Gurley

[Avante]

Ok, how much $$$$$$ will I win right here in 2016? Up over 3000 the last two seasons right here in living color.

Anyone want to take me on?

[chunticakes]

Ok, how much $$$$$$ will I win right here in 2016? Up over 3000 the last two seasons right here in living color.

Anyone want to take me on?

I pulled in about $1,500 last year. I look forward to seeing your plays this season.

[Avante]

I pulled in about $1,500 last year. I look forward to seeing your plays this season.

I'm already looking for what teams shine as a HF in Sept and what teams totally suck as a RD in Sept and if we have that matchup, yep, talking ATS.

[Trainwreck2100]

No
https://i.imgur.com/eaXFu8d.jpg

Too old

[Avante]

Hey retard, stay out of my threads you're too stupid to waste time on.

[Avante]

Keep an eye on rookies

Jakeem Grant Dolphins
Tyler Ervin Texans
Tyreek Hill Chiefs, he left HS the second fastest 200m sprinter ever.

Grant


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3kYFzpxD-A


Ervin



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RlXWsxLPGs


Hill




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blSxKdR3o5E

[Avante]

2016 Predictions


This will be the season Russell Wilson totally seperates himself from Andrew Luck.

Raiders make the playoffs as a WC.

Ezekial Elliott breaks the Cowboys rookie rushing record.

Romo, McFadden and Clowney all miss games because of injury.

[spurraider21]

:lmao terrance west
:lmao dri archer
:lmao johnny manziel

[Avante]

:lmao terrance west
:lmao dri archer
:lmao johnny manziel

Not sure ya understand what.."keep an eye on"...means. I also said...keep an eye on Derrick Henry. I also said....Cousins will end up the Skins QB...before he or RGIII ever played an NFL game. I also said....keep an eye on Thomas Rawls.

Manziel did fool me.

Who had ever heard of West or Archer? Who knows about Tyreek Hill?

Wait until ya get a look at the new Alabama frosh RB, and check out that 250 pound monster RB at Pitt.

Let me help ya.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQalFxSw9Ek


Ya see I;m into all of it and know about these HS, NAIA, JC, HBCU, all divisions of the NCAA athletes. Without them there is no NFL.

[Fabbs]

https://i.imgur.com/eaXFu8d.jpg
:lol

[Avante]

The immaturity we see here is amazing.

[spurraider21]

The immaturity we see here is amazing.
so is the immaturity in your sex partners