Was Aldridge worth it, tbh?

[benefactor]

Let me remind me of your shitty takes:
And what was inaccurate about that? That's exactly what he was at the time.

Jesus you are dumb.

[ChumpDumper]

Man... you must be a very lonely person.How do you claim scoffing at the notion of "take pride" connotes loneliness?

[ceperez]

And what was inaccurate about that? That's exactly what he was at the time.

Jesus you are dumb.

Coz you don't have a brain to spot obvious talent. Show me one post where you predicted anything. You can't because you like Chumper don't really have opinions. You only can point out the obvious.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

No one said I did.

your imagination is atrophied. i'm not talking about your literal potential to play basketball. i'm talking about your core ability to live. you lack the ability to ball or even claim to be capable of balling, on that level, because you are such a limited thinker. you evaluate talent with the same limited thinking. your potential is generally limited.

[ChumpDumper]

Coz you don't have a brain to spot obvious talent. Show me one post where you predicted anything. You can't because you like Chumper don't really have opinions. You only can point out the obvious.I had plenty of opinions about Simmons as I watched him play for two seasons before you ever heard of him.


your imagination is atrophied. i'm not talking about your literal potential to play basketball. i'm talking about your core ability to live. you lack the ability to ball or even claim to be capable of balling, on that level, because you are such a limited thinker. you evaluate talent with the same limited thinking. your potential is generally limited.Glen Rice Jr. is limited to being out of the NBA.

[ceperez]

How do you claim scoffing at the notion of "take pride" connotes loneliness?

S*cking benefactor's dick definitely qualifies as loneliness.

:bobo

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Coz you don't have a brain to spot obvious talent. Show me one post where you predicted anything. You can't because you like Chumper don't really have opinions. You only can point out the obvious.

ceperez, i really would have a play sword fight with our dicks in the mud.

[ChumpDumper]

S*cking benefactor's dick definitely qualifies a loneliness.Are you not allowed to type "sucking"?

Did mom put a keylogger on your computer?

[benefactor]

Coz you don't have a brain to spot obvious talent. Show me one post where you predicted anything. You can't because you like Chumper don't really have opinions. You only can point out the obvious.
Kinda like you got all excited about the Spurs signing Jimmer?:lol

[ceperez]

Are you not allowed to type "sucking"?

Did mom put a keylogger on your computer?

Yes.

My apologies for disturbing you while you continue to s*ck benefactor's d*ck.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I had plenty of opinions about Simmons as I watched him play for two seasons before you ever heard of him.

Glen Rice Jr. is limited to being out of the NBA.

a fact you seem so proud of, that you fail to realize... it's a negative representation of the persuasive power that evaluaters like you unfortunately possess. again, poop is like jar jar in battle. and you are just a nameless solider, along side him.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Yes.

My apologies for disturbing you while you continue to s*ck benefactor's d*ck.

don't let them drag you off topic. you have a real point that they are actually dodging.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes.

My apologies for disturbing you while you continue to s*ck benefactor's d*ck.Is she going to see the "dick" that you didn't self censor?


a fact you seem so proud of, that you fail to realize... it's a negative representation of the persuasive power that evaluaters like you unfortunately possess. again, poop is like jar jar in battle. and you are just a nameless solider, along side him.Your metaphors are as bad as your basketball takes.

You guys need to realize that you both have turned into single issue posters, mostly because you have been proved horribly wrong and are doing everything you can to find any scrap of hope to revive your failed take on that issue. It has become part of your very being.

[ChumpDumper]

Kinda like you got all excited about the Spurs signing Jimmer?:lolHe is proud of his "sign Jimmer for two seasons so he can be the new backup point guard" take.

TAKE PRIDE

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Is she going to see the "dick" that you didn't self censor?

Your metaphors are as bad as your basketball takes.

You guys need to realize that you both have turned into single issue posters, mostly because you have been proved horribly wrong and are doing everything you can to find any scrap of hope to revive your failed take on that issue. It has become part of your very being.

aren't you the guy who just posted that "wait and see" isn't a bad take?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

aren't you the guy who just posted that "wait and see" isn't a bad take?

proved horribly wrong, my ass. you haven't even begun to see the depths of this richo nestefferson rabbit hole the spurs are in.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

proved horribly wrong, my ass. you haven't even begun to see the depths of this richo nestefferson rabbit hole the spurs are in.

actually, i'm wrong. you got a little taste of it in the first round of the playoffs last season.

[ceperez]

proved horribly wrong, my ass. you haven't even begun to see the depths of this richo nestefferson rabbit hole the spurs are in.

well, I'm not about to complete bail out on Mr. Aldridge, but I do agree that it has the potential to turn into RJ 2.0

Which incidentally, for many ST fans, isn't too bad a deal.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

one issue posters. as i hate on lame and you drag glen rice jr back into it. one issue posters, you blind chump.

[ChumpDumper]

aren't you the guy who just posted that "wait and see" isn't a bad take?
It's not even a take.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

well, I'm not about to complete bail out on Mr. Aldridge, but I do agree that it has the potential to turn into RJ 2.0

Which incidentally, for many ST fans, isn't too bad a deal.

we're at different stages. i'm not a spurs fan anymore. i have bailed.

[ChumpDumper]

one issue posters. as i hate on lame and you drag glen rice jr back into it. one issue posters, you blind chump.Your one issue is signing and giving major roles to young players who aren't actually good at all.

[ChumpDumper]

we're at different stages. i'm not a spurs fan anymore. i have bailed.So why are you here?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

It's not even a take.

i'm not really sure what you're saying. i'm not talking about his wait and see take. i'm talking about mine.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

So why are you here?

i'm here to remind you.

[ChumpDumper]

i'm not really sure what you're saying. i'm not talking about his wait and see take. i'm talking about mine.I'm saying "wait and see" isn't even a take.

What part of that do you not understand?

[ChumpDumper]

i'm here to remind you.Of Glen Rice Jr.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

So why are you here?

and i'm here to help guide good people like perez away from your bull shit, and the spurs bull shit. there are better teams with better gms and better coaches. i'll admit there's only one Timmy. i suppose that's another reason i'm still here.

[ChumpDumper]

and i'm here to help guide good people like perez away from your bull shit, and the spurs bull shit. there are better teams with better gms and better coaches. i'll admit there's only one Timmy. i suppose that's another reason i'm still here.You should go to those teams' boards and be happy there.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I'm saying "wait and see" isn't even a take.

What part of that do you not understand?

"Wait and see" isn't a shitty take.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

You should go to those teams' boards and be happy there.

you should realize that you're a control freak.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Of Glen Rice Jr.

of the way that the spurs are generally limited, the same way you are. and that it doesn't have to be so.

[ChumpDumper]

"Wait and see" isn't a shitty take.Tell ceperez that.


you should realize that you're a control freak.I told you what I think you should do. You seem really miserable here since you've been proved wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

of the way that the spurs are generally limited, the same way you are. and that it doesn't have to be so.Generally limited to being the best team in the NBA for two decades.

Tell me, what NBA work experience do you have? Which teams, how many years, what positions, what responsibilities you had -- just a quick list.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Tell ceperez that.

I told you what I think you should do. You seem really miserable here since you've been proved wrong.

games not until monday, and that's not even "THE" game.

[ChumpDumper]

games not until monday, and that's not even "THE" game.He says wait and see is a shitty take.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Generally limited to being the best team in the NBA for two decades.

Tell me, what NBA work experience do you have? Which teams, how many years, what positions, what responsibilities you had -- just a quick list.

none.

[ChumpDumper]

none.Shocking.

[Vokun]

Chump in here dumping on these trolling no-life faggots :tu

[DrunkTXLabrat]

none.

but i've worked. enough to know, that experience isn't as valuable as the experienced have the inexperienced believe. there's something more important, something that you don't seem to appreciate.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

He says wait and see is a shitty take.

i actually think wait and see is a good take.

[ChumpDumper]

but i've worked. enough to know, that experience isn't as valuable as the experienced have the inexperienced believe. there's something more important, something that you don't seem to appreciate.Worked at what?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i actually think wait and see is a good take.

i'm capable of agreeing with you, i just don't see much to agree with.

[ChumpDumper]

i actually think wait and see is a good take.Take it up with him.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Worked at what?

you're focusing on the wrong information. i've been a human test subject for most of my adult life. i've been a ref for the last two years. and i've had plenty side work along the way.

[ceperez]

i actually think wait and see is a good take.

You can't be serious. He said 'wait and see' at the Vicarage of Jonathon Simmons... that's sacrilegious!

It's desecrating a place of worship!!

[ChumpDumper]

you're focusing on the wrong information. i've been a human test subject for most of my adult life. i've been a ref for the last two years. and i've had plenty side work along the way.You just rested my case for me.

Thanks.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

You can't be serious. He said 'wait and see' at the Vicarage of Jonathon Simmons... that's sacrilegious!

It's desecrating a place of worship!!

he doesn't think summer league play is an indicator of things to come. he doesn't know what's coming, or what's being ignored. he can't see.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

You just rested my case for me.

Thanks.

you have no case chump, you're just a mean spirited fool.

[ChumpDumper]

he doesn't think summer league play is an indicator of things to come. he doesn't know what's coming, or what's being ignored.You're really kind of stupid if this is what you think. I've watched more SL in person than you have watched on your phone.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

You're really kind of stupid if this is what you think. I've watched more SL in person than you have watched on your phone.

i don't dispute how much you've seen, i dispute the eyes and mind you see it through.

[ChumpDumper]

i don't dispute how much you've seen, i dispute the eyes and mind you see it through.Nope, I simply have seen enough to recognize that not every great SL performance is going to translate to NBA success.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Nope, I simply have seen enough to recognize that not every great SL performance is going to translate to NBA success.

that's the spurs level nay saying i hate.

[SpursBig3s]

If you were to rate Radio Shacks, in order of their supply of diodes, what would that list look like?

Stand-alone store
Strip center
Mall

:lmao

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Nope, I simply have seen enough to recognize that not every great SL performance is going to translate to NBA success.

instead of seeing potential to nurture, you see failure to ridicule. you are wasteful. and i feel sorry for the talent you favor.

[ChumpDumper]

that's the spurs level nay saying i hate.Where is your evidence that every great SL performance translates to NBA success?

[ChumpDumper]

instead of seeing potential to nurture, you see failure to ridicule. you are wasteful. and i feel sorry for the talent you favor.Eh, can't hire everyone. That's what the D-League is for.

[Knoxxx]

You guys are funny with the message board bickering, wasn't that briefly almost cool like ten years ago?

I thought LaMarcus looked pretty crappy last night. Maybe it is the "in and out" jumpers that are killing it for me. I guess once the salary cap jumps, $20 million will be a bargain for a little bit above average player anyway?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Where is your evidence that every great SL performance translates to NBA success?

there is no evidence for that. it's a matter of faith.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

You guys are funny with the message board bickering, wasn't that briefly almost cool like ten years ago?

I thought LaMarcus looked pretty crappy last night. Maybe it is the "in and out" jumpers that are killing it for me. I guess once the salary cap jumps, $20 million will be a bargain for a little bit above average player anyway?

if you think it's about being cool, you're missing something. it's about the spurs and the fans.

[ChumpDumper]

there is no evidence for that.Thanks.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Thanks.

your grip on reality comes with a loss of possibility. i doubt that serves your evaluations as well as you think.

[Knoxxx]

if you think it's about being cool, you're missing something. it's about the spurs and the fans.

I was just teasing you guys about the extended exchange. No big deal, just on here to have fun.

I will add an edit: LOL if you came to this thread to discuss Aldridge. "There is no evidence of that." :lol

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I was just teasing you guys about the extended exchange. No big deal, just on here to have fun.

I will add an edit: LOL if you came to this thread to discuss Aldridge. "There is no evidence of that." :lol

i call Aldridge lame or richo nestefferson, affectionately.

[ChumpDumper]

your grip on reality comes with a loss of possibility. i doubt that serves your evaluations as well as you think.Can't hire everyone.

[ceperez]

he doesn't think summer league play is an indicator of things to come. he doesn't know what's coming, or what's being ignored. he can't see.

blind as a bat.

[ChumpDumper]

blind as a bat.You never heard of Simmons before last summer.

[ceperez]

You guys are funny with the message board bickering, wasn't that briefly almost cool like ten years ago?

I thought LaMarcus looked pretty crappy last night. Maybe it is the "in and out" jumpers that are killing it for me. I guess once the salary cap jumps, $20 million will be a bargain for a little bit above average player anyway?

He's a little bit above average, but not really a max player.

That's my contention all this time.

But we've got die hard fan boys that keep thinking he's the second coming of David Robinson or something.

[ceperez]

You never heard of Simmons before last summer.

Doesn't matter. When I saw what he could do in SL, I was sold on his potential.

Unlike doubting thomases like you and your favorite d*ck Benefactor.

Beside, stay on topic. This thread is about Aldridge.

[ceperez]

i call Aldridge lame or richo nestefferson, affectionately.

He's been pretty lame so far, but I'm giving him until the end of the month to place final judgement.

[ChumpDumper]

Doesn't matter. When I saw what he could do in SL, I was sold on his potential.

Unlike doubting thomases like you and your favorite d*ck Benefactor.What is your proof we doubted him?

Provide links.

[ceperez]

What is your proof we doubted him?

Provide links.

Well I don't see any links that you had any opinion. I don't think you have any opinion about anything. Too afraid to have any.

What proof have you that you thought Simmons would be a good prospect?

Provide links

[Knoxxx]

My proof is Boban 17 and 13 on 6/10 shooting. LMA 7 and 5 on 3/9 shooting in the same minutes. Boban more than doubled LMA production, while LMA mostly launched lazy in and out 18 foot jumpers. Hopefully we don't see too much more of that, it was horrid to watch. (TBQH)

[ceperez]

My proof is Boban 17 and 13 on 6/10 shooting. LMA 7 and 5 on 3/9 shooting in the same minutes. Boban more than doubled LMA production, while LMA mostly launched lazy in and out 18 foot jumpers. Hopefully we don't see too much more of that, it was horrid to watch. (TBQH)

Exacto mundo... to add insult... LMA gets paid 10 times (or is 20 times) more than Boban.

He ain't worth the money.... however it isn't my money.

[ChumpDumper]

Well I don't see any links that you had any opinion.You didn't even look.

At least wait more than one (1) minute to act like your lazy ass did something.

[ChumpDumper]

My proof is Boban 17 and 13 on 6/10 shooting. LMA 7 and 5 on 3/9 shooting in the same minutes. Boban more than doubled LMA production, while LMA mostly launched lazy in and out 18 foot jumpers. Hopefully we don't see too much more of that, it was horrid to watch. (TBQH)Boban wasn't in Summer League at all last summer.


Did you call for him to be signed in 2013?

[ceperez]

Most players have threads of worship.

Aldridge deserves this thread... probably should be renamed.... "Haters Convention for LaMarcus "Diva" Aldridge"

[ceperez]

Boban wasn't in Summer League at all.

Why does that matter? This thread is about LMA suckage.

[Knoxxx]

Exacto mundo... to add insult... LMA gets paid 10 times (or is 20 times) more than Boban.

He ain't worth the money.... however it isn't my money.

Those salary extremes are just par for the NBA course. You are just really lucky if you have any guys on your roster that you can underpay who are real NBA contributors. We have several, such as Boban/Simmons/West. $23 million for those three and Aldridge is a great deal!

[ChumpDumper]

Why does that matter? This thread is about LMA suckage.That's your single issue.

Other people are able to discuss other things.

[Rain Man]

Exacto mundo... to add insult... LMA gets paid 10 times (or is 20 times) more than Boban.

He ain't worth the money.... however it isn't my money.

There are times when I agree with you but be realistic. Boban is fun to root for but he is no Aldridge. Right now the difference is comfort level. LA for some reason is being a little timid and gun shy whereas Boban is feeding off the fans and just having fun because he doesn't know how long all this will last.

[Knoxxx]

Boban wasn't in Summer League at all last summer.


Did you call for him to be signed in 2013?

My bad, I have been slow to pick up on this actually being a covert summer league thread. Probably because I tuned out as much of that discussion as I could, so I never caught the point of it.

[ceperez]

There are times when I agree with you but be realistic. Boban is fun to root for but he is no Aldridge. Right now the difference is comfort level. LA for some reason is being a little timid and gun shy whereas Boban is feeding off the fans and just having fun because he doesn't know how long all this will last.

"timid and gun shy"? Tell that to David West.

LMA is soft.

I recall when Kobe accused Howard of being soft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAzWwxcYvBU

I think you can make the same accusation about LMA.

[ChumpDumper]

My bad, I have been slow to pick up on this actually being a covert summer league thread. Probably because I tuned out as much of that discussion as I could, so I never caught the point of it.My bad. It looked just like a drunk post.

[ceperez]

My bad. It looked just like a drunk post.

Will you quit trying to change the subject of this thread.

This is about LMA's ineptness and not your ineptness.

[ChumpDumper]

Will you quit trying to change the subject of this thread.

This is about LMA's ineptness and not your ineptness.lol single issue.

He's worth every penny.

[Rain Man]

"timid and gun shy"? Tell that to David West.

LMA is soft.

I recall when Kobe accused Howard of being soft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAzWwxcYvBU

I think you can make the same accusation about LMA.

D West is a different animal. The guy is a beast.

The difference between LA and Howard is the coach. Howard might be soft but I believe that Pop could have set him up for success. The same thing that he will do for LA. Utilize the talents he has and bring in a D West type to cover up his deficiences.

[Knoxxx]

Well I think the jury is out on LMA, we may not really know until the playoffs. 6 points, 8 boards against Cleveland in 29 minutes, ugh.

[ceperez]

Well I think the jury is out on LMA, we may not really know until the playoffs. 6 points, 8 boards against Cleveland in 29 minutes, ugh.

Spurs can still win it all with LMA sucking. He's at least better than Splitter.

[ceperez]

Oh well.... Lamarcus Aldridge decides to call in sick for tonight's game against the Lakers.

Probably he also isn't going to show up against GSW.

[ceperez]

So, has Aldridge showed up yet against GSW?

[lil'mo]

No, he stayed in sa

[Mnky]

So, has Aldridge showed up yet against GSW?

They weren't getting anything in the paint with him in tbh. Basketball isn't just offense.

[Spurs9]

#bringbacksplitte4 :cry

[HarlemHeat37]

Ugh, all my fears on display in this game, tbh..

The big man Carmelo lived up to his reputation of never showing up in big games, unless he's being defended by Terrence Jones for the majority of a series:lol

I can't believe the people that misconstrued my point in this thread, had the audacity to bump this shit after Aldridge had a couple of good games against terrible teams, etc..when I drop knowledge, it's usually accurate, it has been proven over and over again..

My concerns about the Spurs are 100% valid..they are better than I thought they would be, but the league is really weak, and relying on Parker/Ginobili to carry a huge load is fool's gold when you're playing against the only other competition in this year's league(Warriors, maybe Thunder)..

They need Aldridge to be a star in these games, something he has never done in his career, and he hasn't done it, so far..it's still early, I'll give him time, but I hope he realizes this isn't Portland, the games here actually matter..

[ElNono]

Ugh, all my fears on display in this game, tbh..

The big man Carmelo lived up to his reputation of never showing up in big games, unless he's being defended by Terrence Jones for the majority of a series:lol

I can't believe the people that misconstrued my point in this thread, had the audacity to bump this shit after Aldridge had a couple of good games against terrible teams, etc..when I drop knowledge, it's usually accurate, it has been proven over and over again..

My concerns about the Spurs are 100% valid..they are better than I thought they would be, but the league is really weak, and relying on Parker/Ginobili to carry a huge load is fool's gold when you're playing against the only other competition in this year's league(Warriors, maybe Thunder)..

They need Aldridge to be a star in these games, something he has never done in his career, and he hasn't done it, so far..it's still early, I'll give him time, but I hope he realizes this isn't Portland, the games here actually matter..

Same here, I pointed it out as my #1 thing to watch out for in the other thread, especially with Tim out, and his body language throughout was Softridge, tbh...

I still think he can be more productive with TD holding his hand, playing hi/lo, etc... we'll see

[timtonymanu]

Shit the bed tonight. Probably the only big takeaway from this game. He can't be giving Splitter production when we need him to do more.

[HarlemHeat37]

:( but he played well vs. the Nets, guys!!! :(
:( but we have such a great record and point-differential in a really week season vs. the easiest schedule in the NBA:(
:( but we're going to ignore that relying heavily on Parker and Ginobili might backfire when the games matter and they're banged up:(
:(but he accepted his role, let's ignore all his poor metrics and negligible on/off impact:(

[Nathan89]

My main disagreement was him getting blame for Green's inability to shoot.

He's definitely soft as fuck though. Also his mid-range shot isn't good enough for us. He needs to hit those wide open shots like David West. He really needs to add easy scoring to his game. Scores that Baynes and Splitter would get in the offense.

[ceperez]

Same here, I pointed it out as my #1 thing to watch out for in the other thread, especially with Tim out, and his body language throughout was Softridge, tbh...

I still think he can be more productive with TD holding his hand, playing hi/lo, etc... we'll see

He can't anchor the defense like Duncan can. Warriors didn't shoot the 3 well, but they had a wide open lane.

Also it is very distressing that he can't dominate Green. Spurs aren't going to win if they can't beat GS small ball.

[ceperez]

Ugh, all my fears on display in this game, tbh..

The big man Carmelo lived up to his reputation of never showing up in big games, unless he's being defended by Terrence Jones for the majority of a series:lol

I can't believe the people that misconstrued my point in this thread, had the audacity to bump this shit after Aldridge had a couple of good games against terrible teams, etc..when I drop knowledge, it's usually accurate, it has been proven over and over again..

My concerns about the Spurs are 100% valid..they are better than I thought they would be, but the league is really weak, and relying on Parker/Ginobili to carry a huge load is fool's gold when you're playing against the only other competition in this year's league(Warriors, maybe Thunder)..

They need Aldridge to be a star in these games, something he has never done in his career, and he hasn't done it, so far..it's still early, I'll give him time, but I hope he realizes this isn't Portland, the games here actually matter..

It is already mid season, very difficult to turn around. Even more difficult if he starts claiming he's got back spasms.

Spurs need some level of urgency, maybe trade the guy.

[skut_farkus]

His career has been full of excuses when not being guarded by Terrence jones. My back hurts, lillard gets all the attention, my thumb has a boo boo, I don't like being second fiddle

[HarlemHeat37]

His career has been full of excuses when not being guarded by Terrence jones. My back hurts, lillard gets all the attention, my thumb has a boo boo, I don't like being second fiddle

:lol

[Nathan89]

He can't anchor the defense like Duncan can. Warriors didn't shoot the 3 well, but they had a wide open lane.

Also it is very distressing that he can't dominate Green. Spurs aren't going to win if they can't beat GS small ball.

The biggest weakness on their small ball was always going to be whoever is guarding Diaw.

[Timothy21]

ridicolous...

[midnightpulp]

:( but he played well vs. the Nets, guys!!! :(
:( but we have such a great record and point-differential in a really week season vs. the easiest schedule in the NBA:(
:( but we're going to ignore that relying heavily on Parker and Ginobili might backfire when the games matter and they're banged up:(
:(but he accepted his role, let's ignore all his poor metrics and negligible on/off impact:(

Who else was out there in FA, though?

The choice was to stand pat with an injury prone Tiago (who doesn't fit with this team in its 2015-16 form) or some rental big (David West doesn't come if LMA doesn't) or roll the dice with a player (LMA) who is a theoretically perfect fit for the Spurs. Yeah, the Spurs could've saved "cap space," but then what? Given this franchise's history of attracting free agents, it would've been a poor move, and Leonard's prime rots away on a "typical" Spurs roster of "savvy" vets, 2nd round draft picks, and Euro projects, while the other premier teams in the league have 2 to 4 star level players who can all create and score.

It was always "worth it."

[davidbowie]

Dude was just plain embarrassing tonight

[HarlemHeat37]

Meh, people are short-sighted as fuck, bumping threads after dude has good games vs. shitty teams..it's the usual morons, too, I won't even name them(not talking about good posters like midnight, kawhistorm, spursistan, etc..it's mainly the posters that follow me around this forum, begging and hoping that they will find a bad take:lol)

It's not a short-term commitment to Aldridge..it's a long-term deal and the supposed "future after Duncan" that you're handing the franchise to..you also just signed Danny Green to a long-term deal, a player that had Draymond-Green level metrics, last season, and now looks like a scrub, since changing the system to implement Aldridge..

You don't have to believe that the reason for Green's struggles are related to the system, but I do, which was the point of this thread..it's justified if Aldridge plays up to his potential, but when he doesn't, you're now essentially locked in to 2 under-performing players on long-term deals(the players that were supposed to be 2 of the your 4 future, core pieces)..

[2centsworth]

A seven footer who's game is primarily long fade away jumpers at a 40% clip. Pop has his hands full.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

LaMarcus laid an egg there. Let's hope he can improve. A lot of tough games coming up.

[Mr Bones]

not talking about good posters like ... spursistan,
.

You're a fan of Spursistan, are you?

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs play vs. one of the 3 worst teams at defending PFs, tomorrow(Houston)..they also play vs. the Magic and Pelicans, next week..you can be certain that Aldridge will have big games vs. those teams, tbh:lol

[midnightpulp]

TD21 already diagnosed the problem with this team: Lack of perimeter firepower, explosive 3 point shooting, and the inability to get to the line (which is a big weakness if you're not a team that can volume shoot 3 pointers at a good percentage).

As much as I love Kawhi, I think my fears are coming true that his peak scoring ability (while maintaining good efficiency) just might be around the 18ppg-20ppg mark. Sure, he could average 25+ on a shitty team where he can volume shoot, but for his efficiency to remain solid, he's a player who needs to pick his spots carefully and score within the offense. He's not Curry, Durant, Harden, Lebron, one of those players who can create spots for himself off the dribble. He's got a nice post game, and that's about it. I want him to become a dribble-drive beast, but I just don't think he has the ability (relatively low vertical, average, at best, ball handling, and seemingly low confidence). This is not a criticism. It's amazing that Kawhi has turned into the scoring threat he has despite those limitations, but it illustrates that he can't carry the perimeter scoring himself (like Curry did tonight, for example. We held the rest of their starters in check, but Curry broke out backs).

So Kawhi's perimeter running mates are:

Tony Parker. Has had a resurgence, but all of us sense the wheels are about to come off soon. It's just improbable that a 34 year old PG with that many miles can average 16-18 points on good shooting.

Danny Green: Lol. No one is holding this guy back. Not LMA, adjusting to the offense, etc. He's a d-league level talent that worked very hard to get where he is, but ultimately, he's a role player who will always be limited. Essentially Bruce Bowen, who would unfortunately be a liability (his offensive limitations wouldn't make up for his defensive contributions) in today's league.

Manu. Same thing as Parker. Too old and worn to be consistent.

And the rest are role players. Mills, Simmons, Anderson, Butler, etc. All the other elite teams in the league have at least 2 perimeter studs and star/fringe star big(s). The Spurs really are a team by committee. As much as that kind of overall depth can be an advantage, it can also be a detriment since there's so many moving parts.

LMA is a very, very small of the overall picture, and I will still argue that he's contributed more than he has taken, much more. Golden State is beating the shit out of everyone. Was up 40 at Cleveland and then went into Chicago and beat them by 30., so to decry his signing because the Spurs have the unfortunate luck of playing in a year that just might feature the best team pro basketball has ever seen is a bit knee-jerky.

And that said, there was really no other choice than to roll the dice. Standing pat and developing a bunch of 2nd round picks and Euro projects wasn't going to win anything.

[TheMulletMan3000]

A seven footer who's game is primarily long fade away jumpers at a 40% clip. Pop has his hands full.

He is very efficient in catch and shoot. Post game is awful, tho.

[skut_farkus]

Spurs play vs. one of the 3 worst teams at defending PFs, tomorrow(Houston)..they also play vs. the Magic and Pelicans, next week..you can be certain that Aldridge will have big games vs. those teams, tbh:lol

He's already reserving the limo to pick Terrence jones up I bet

[HarlemHeat37]

He's already reserving the limo to pick Terrence jones up I bet

:lmao

[midnightpulp]

Meh, people are short-sighted as fuck, bumping threads after dude has good games vs. shitty teams..it's the usual morons, too, I won't even name them(not talking about good posters like midnight, kawhistorm, spursistan, etc..it's mainly the posters that follow me around this forum, begging and hoping that they will find a bad take:lol)

It's not a short-term commitment to Aldridge..it's a long-term deal and the supposed "future after Duncan" that you're handing the franchise to..you also just signed Danny Green to a long-term deal, a player that had Draymond-Green level metrics, last season, and now looks like a scrub, since changing the system to implement Aldridge..

You don't have to believe that the reason for Green's struggles are related to the system, but I do, which was the point of this thread..it's justified if Aldridge plays up to his potential, but when he doesn't, you're now essentially locked in to 2 under-performing players on long-term deals(the players that were supposed to be 2 of the your 4 future, core pieces)..

I can't buy that. There's reasons Green was unheralded and signed off the scrap heap. His work ethnic simply doesn't measure up to his innate talent. He was always streaky and offensively limited, well before LMA suited up. Spot up shooters have the easiest adjustment to make out of any offensive player. It should've taken 10-20 games max (in addition to the pre-season and training camp) to get used to shooting from his new spots (which aren't that dissimilar from any other time in his career, but I understand the adjustment to muscle memory and timing a shooter sometimes need to go through). The guy is simply not that good offensively.

Okay, so you don't sign LMA for the sake of Green. Then what? We have the same interior spacing issues as last year with Tiago (or Boban, who might've been this year's starting center if the Spurs whiffed on LMA [which doesn't bring over West] playing alongside Duncan. And even if you get West, the interior defense is now much more compromised. Not to mention, West is 35 years old.

Wait for a bigger fish in FA? Who? Whiteside? No spacing. DeRozan (:lol)? Horford is the only theoretically good fit, but there's not much of a difference between him and LMA, who is also the better rebounder.

Wait another year? Or another? Then before long, Kawhi is nearing 30 and probably playing, as I said before, with the typical Spurs rosters of vets, Euros, and 2nd round/undrafted projects.

There was no other choice. It's like betting up a pair of Aces in Hold 'em. It was always worth it from an odds perspective even if the hand didn't hold up against the field.

[SpursFan86]

Have to co-sign what midnightpulp is saying. Regardless of what you think of LMA, what are the alternatives? You take the risk on Aldridge 10/10 times. Spurs aren't beating GS with Splitter/Belinelli/Baynes. There's no guarantee they land some other big name FA later on, and even if they do, there are risks with that too. Signing LMA was the right move, even if he ends up never being the player we'd hope he'd be.

That being said, it's still too early to "give up" on him, and I'm still fairly happy with how he's played. Just have to hope he continues to improve.

[daslicer]

Have to co-sign what midnightpulp is saying. Regardless of what you think of LMA, what are the alternatives? You take the risk on Aldridge 10/10 times. Spurs aren't beating GS with Splitter/Belinelli/Baynes. There's no guarantee they land some other big name FA later on, and even if they do, there are risks with that too. Signing LMA was the right move, even if he ends up never being the player we'd hope he'd be.

That being said, it's still too early to "give up" on him, and I'm still fairly happy with how he's played. Just have to hope he continues to improve.

Agreed he was the best FA out there without LMA the spurs could possibly be third or fourth in the West and possibly worse. No way was Splitter going to remain healthy. Having LMA also allows the Spurs to rest and preserve Duncan for the playoffs which is a luxury the spurs don't get if they don't have LMA.

[RD2191]

He'll only be worth it if we ring. We rang with Tiago so no reason why we shouldn't be able to ring with what most would consider a considerable upgrade at the position.

[Doe]

He's already reserving the limo to pick Terrence jones up I bet
:rollin

[daslicer]

He'll only be worth it if we ring. We rang with Tiago so no reason why we shouldn't be able to ring with what most would consider a considerable upgrade at the position.

If the Spurs get to the WCF it will be a bargain. I don't believe even with Tiago the Spurs beat this incarnation of the current Warriors. Warriors will be the favorites against the Spurs in the WCF. It will come down to Kawhi,LMA having big series along with a few other players. Spurs need a lot to go right to beat the Warriors.

[midnightpulp]

Have to co-sign what midnightpulp is saying. Regardless of what you think of LMA, what are the alternatives? You take the risk on Aldridge 10/10 times. Spurs aren't beating GS with Splitter/Belinelli/Baynes. There's no guarantee they land some other big name FA later on, and even if they do, there are risks with that too. Signing LMA was the right move, even if he ends up never being the player we'd hope he'd be.

That being said, it's still too early to "give up" on him, and I'm still fairly happy with how he's played. Just have to hope he continues to improve.

I still think he's been a net positive (as the 5 man lineups and overall team success this season illustrates). People are just overreacting because the LMA signing doesn't put on us on the level of the Warriors, whose main core players are all at their prime/peaks right now.

No team thus far has been anywhere near the Warriors. Beating a 15-1 (at home) Cavs team by 40? And then going into Chicago (a pretty good team) and beating them by 30?

I don't know how you beat them. I thought maybe we were the best matchup because Kawhi/Green are the only 2 players who've seemed to be able handle Klay/Curry over the past few season, but Curry has seemed to figure out the Spurs now, at least in this game.

[midnightpulp]

He'll only be worth it if we ring. We rang with Tiago so no reason why we shouldn't be able to ring with what most would consider a considerable upgrade at the position.

The Warriors are a big step up from any team the Spurs faced in 2014.

[apalisoc_9]

He's already reserving the limo to pick Terrence jones up I bet

Wow..Savage bro.

Dont be too harsh man :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Current Kawhi is 25+PPG guy, he just doenst get the ball enough he was 4-6 and 7-7 for crying out loud. The issue with Aldridge is that since they paid him 80 million dollars the spurs are forced to play in a manner that benefits his game offensiveley, the problem is that its not going to work out against the thunder, warriors, cavs..really the only foreasable contenders in the next three years.

The token Aldridge post ups has to GO. It works against the terrence jones and the Kelly olynyks of the but not against real contenders. Kawhi has to look up to 35 year old parker and freaking mills and 40 year old ginobili to run the point Jesus...The spurs are a great team now, but it wouldnt surprise me to see them collapse next year or even this year.

[spursistan]

I still think he's been a net positive (as the 5 man lineups and overall team success this season illustrates). People are just overreacting because the LMA signing doesn't put on us on the level of the Warriors, whose main core players are all at their prime/peaks right now.

No team thus far has been anywhere near the Warriors. Beating a 15-1 (at home) Cavs team by 40? And then going into Chicago (a pretty good team) and beating them by 30?

I don't know how you beat them. I thought maybe we were the best matchup because Kawhi/Green are the only 2 players who've seemed to be able handle Klay/Curry over the past few season, but Curry has seemed to figure out the Spurs now, at least in this game.

My worries are still on the offensive end..Spurs inability to generate TO-safe looks will bury them vs this team..Ball in hands of Lebron/Conley-- two teams that had managed to muck it up with relative succes for half series-- is far different from having it in Parker/Ginobili's at this stage..

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Have to co-sign what midnightpulp (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5430) is saying. Regardless of what you think of LMA, what are the alternatives? You take the risk on Aldridge 10/10 times. Spurs aren't beating GS with Splitter/Belinelli/Baynes. There's no guarantee they land some other big name FA later on, and even if they do, there are risks with that too. Signing LMA was the right move, even if he ends up never being the player we'd hope he'd be.

That being said, it's still too early to "give up" on him, and I'm still fairly happy with how he's played. Just have to hope he continues to improve.

Tristan Thompson and Cory Joseph was the alternative. Draymond Green was the red carpet long shot. Middleton with Boban and Livio woulda done.

[apalisoc_9]

My worries are still on the offensive end..Spurs inability to generate TO-safe looks will bury them vs this team..Ball in hands of Lebron/Conley-- two teams that had managed to muck it up with relative succes for half series-- is far different from having it in Parker/Ginobili's at this stage..

Essentialy the spurs are relying on two PGs whose avergae age is 36 years old to go breakdown a PnR defense that consist of Green-Bogut-Thompson. :lmao

[DrunkTXLabrat]

better hope Davis is hurt on pelican night. Dwight, Josh Smith, and lame are all the same. i'll give lame the advantage thanks to Poop and Kawhi. I'm not sure what to make of the Magic. It wouldn't surprise me if lames embarrassment from this warriors game translates to a full on unraveling of this mirage season.

[BatManu20]

Have to co-sign what midnightpulp (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5430) is saying. Regardless of what you think of LMA, what are the alternatives? You take the risk on Aldridge 10/10 times. Spurs aren't beating GS with Splitter/Belinelli/Baynes. There's no guarantee they land some other big name FA later on, and even if they do, there are risks with that too. Signing LMA was the right move, even if he ends up never being the player we'd hope he'd be.

That being said, it's still too early to "give up" on him, and I'm still fairly happy with how he's played. Just have to hope he continues to improve.

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[midnightpulp]

Current Kawhi is 25+PPG guy, he just doenst get the ball enough he was 4-6 and 7-7 for crying out loud. The issue with Aldridge is that since they paid him 80 million dollars the spurs are forced to play in a manner that benefits his game offensiveley, the problem is that its not going to work out against the thunder, warriors, cavs..really the only foreasable contenders in the next three years.

The token Aldridge post ups has to GO. It works against the terrence jones and the Kelly olynyks of the world.

This myth of Kawhi "isn't getting the ball enough or in his spots" needs to go.

I've shown he gets nearly the same amount of front court touches as Kevin Durant.

And I can also show, through screen caps and such (if I had the energy), that he gets the ball in advantageous isolation positions nearly every game way more often than not. From these positions, he usually has a triple threat scenario: Jumper, Drive, or can turn and post. Sure, he'll be assertive at times, but many other times, he passes up the opportunity for whatever reason, which to me, looks like a lack of confidence in his dribble-drive game.

"His main weapon is the post!"

What is this, 2009? Offenses built around Kobe-style mid-post play would get eaten alive today. To be an elite scoring wing today, you need to be able to create off the dribble, whether that's through penetration or creating separation for your jumper. My main fear is that Kawhi's lack of vertical will always hinder him from reaching elite scoring potential. Look at how many of his finishes from the drive are below the rim and how he uses his length to get his shot off (which is usually a circus looking shot)? Lebron, KD, even fat Melo usually throw it down in the same situation.

Why do you think Kawhi doesn't get to the line as much as other stars (and no, it's not ref bias)?

Maybe this will be another facet to his game he'll figure out how to add, but it's more him not yet having a complete offensive game that holds him back from 25ppg and such than it is with the Spurs "ignoring" him.

[midnightpulp]

Tristan Thompson and Cory Joseph was the alternative. Draymond Green was the red carpet long shot. Middleton with Boban and Livio woulda done.

No spacing.

Boban would've done? No spacing.

Livio? Sure, take a chance on a Euro project instead of pursuing one of the best PFs in the league. :lol

And a starting wing was never on the Spurs radar since Danny Green was our it guy in that regard.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

No spacing.

Boban would've done? No spacing.

Livio? Sure, take a chance on a Euro project instead of pursuing one of the best PFs in the league. :lol

And a starting wing was never on the Spurs radar since Danny Green was our it guy in that regard.

there's plenty shooters on the spurs. there's just a lot of slumping because players that have what lame has are infectious. they bring out the worst in guys like Manu and Green. Even good players like Kawhi and Mills are falling short now. lame is terminal cancer.

[apalisoc_9]

This myth of Kawhi "isn't getting the ball enough or in his spots" needs to go.

I've shown he gets nearly the same amount of front court touches as Kevin Durant.

And I can also show, through screen caps and such (if I had the energy), that he gets the ball in advantageous isolation positions nearly every game way more often than not. From these positions, he usually has a triple threat scenario: Jumper, Drive, or can turn and post. Sure, he'll be assertive at times, but many other times, he passes up the opportunity for whatever reason, which to me, looks like a lack of confidence in his dribble-drive game.

"His main weapon is the post!"

What is this, 2009? Offenses built around Kobe-style mid-post play would get eaten alive today. To be an elite scoring wing today, you need to be able to create off the dribble, whether that's through penetration or creating separation for your jumper. My main fear is that Kawhi's lack of vertical will always hinder him from reaching elite scoring potential. Look at how many of his finishes from the drive are below the rim and how he uses his length to get his shot off (which is usually a circus looking shot)? Lebron, KD, even fat Melo usually throw it down in the same situation.

Why do you think Kawhi doesn't get to the line as much as other stars (and no, it's not ref bias)?

Maybe this will be other facet to his game he'll figure out how to add, but it's more him not yet having a complete offensive game that holds him back from 25ppg and such than it is with the Spurs "ignoring" him.

The myth? Are you high bro? The guy had 3 shots in 20 freaking minutes today. Its pretty evident the system forces the ball to move around enough for everyone to get in rhytem. The problem is that everyone not named Kawhi is a fourth tier offensive option save for Boris or Parker so the question is, is it worth to get kawhi standing in the corner for durations of the game to get people in rhytem.

Majority of the positions that kawhi gets on semi triple threat positions are designed for him to pass the ball. There's a massive difference in the touches thay kawhi gets out of motion/set and a Play. Sets dont allow for Isolations. You essentially break up the offense. Plays that gets Durant on triple threat situations are plays set for him to score.

The Guy hardly gets any touches off screens. You expect him to score 25? Hes essentially an Isolation player with limited 3 point touches that is in an unfortuante situation where he has to cater to Manu and Parke who still needs the ball to be on their hands because of talent abvailability.

Playing with Ginobili and Parker in the backcourt is a tricky situation when your an SF that relies on triple threat situatin, ISO and bully ball. For example, Leonard scores very little when one is on the floor and the touches and usage DIP significantly when both are on the floors. Durant, Lebron etc never had to deal with that because they cams out Guns blazing as rookie. Kawhi is now a.great offensive player. But him and the backcourt many times see him as 2013 kawhi

[siraulo23]

Definitely worth it tbh, spurs would be limping into the playoffs without aldridge imo. Too much load for duncan and manu to carry at this point of their careers

[siraulo23]

Aldridge has shown up vs the Bulls, clippers etc...

No show vs the cavs/warriors

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Aldridge has shown up vs the Bulls, clippers etc...

No show vs the cavs/warriors

which teams made the finals of the playoffs last season?

[SAGirl]

Same here, I pointed it out as my #1 thing to watch out for in the other thread, especially with Tim out, and his body language throughout was Softridge, tbh...

I still think he can be more productive with TD holding his hand, playing hi/lo, etc... we'll see
That is still a red alert bc this might very well be TD's last season. I know some ppl are in denial, and it's not a certain thing. But we can say it is at least 50-50%.
If he needs Timmy to hold his hand we are in trouble in the long run.
Somehow I didn't expect him to show up, but I hoped he did.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

That is still a red alert bc this might very well be TD's last season. I know some ppl are in denial, and it's not a certain thing. But we can say it is at least 50-50%.
If he needs Timmy to hold his hand we are in trouble in the long run.
Somehow I didn't expect him to show up, but I hoped he did.

that was your sanity.

[siraulo23]

The spurs shoulda just brought everyone back

Run parker, manu and duncan to the ground and get the 5th seed. But green would be shooting better :cry

yea right :rolleyes

[daslicer]

That is still a red alert bc this might very well be TD's last season. I know some ppl are in denial, and it's not a certain thing. But we can say it is at least 50-50%.
If he needs Timmy to hold his hand we are in trouble in the long run.
Somehow I didn't expect him to show up, but I hoped he did.

Honestly most people are delusional to believe the Spurs are going to have the same success they have had once Duncan retires. Duncan is a top 5 all time great in my eyes and in most pundits eyes a top 10 all time great. With that being said if LMA can play at high level with Duncan on the court that is good enough for me because it's all about this year or next year depending on when Duncan retires. After Duncan retires the spurs are not going to contend for a title. Kawhi and LMA are not special players like a Lebron,Curry,Durant.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

The spurs shoulda just brought everyone back

Run parker, manu and duncan to the ground and get the 5th seed. But green would be shooting better :cry

yea right :rolleyes

they had rookies in their painfully slow development system that they could have added. there were other free agent targets that were younger, cheaper, and moxier than lame. there was also a trade market.

the spurs lost to the clipps because Splitter was gimpy, Griffin and Deandre was too much for Banger, and Bonner and Williams limited Poops already poor game rotation skills. the fix was replace bonner and williams with some potential. rest Splitter more. and cash in Banger and Beli for some more development projects so there was room for Boban and Simmons.

[SAGirl]

TD21 already diagnosed the problem with this team: Lack of perimeter firepower, explosive 3 point shooting, and the inability to get to the line (which is a big weakness if you're not a team that can volume shoot 3 pointers at a good percentage).

As much as I love Kawhi, I think my fears are coming true that his peak scoring ability (while maintaining good efficiency) just might be around the 18ppg-20ppg mark. Sure, he could average 25+ on a shitty team where he can volume shoot, but for his efficiency to remain solid, he's a player who needs to pick his spots carefully and score within the offense. He's not Curry, Durant, Harden, Lebron, one of those players who can create spots for himself off the dribble. He's got a nice post game, and that's about it. I want him to become a dribble-drive beast, but I just don't think he has the ability (relatively low vertical, average, at best, ball handling, and seemingly low confidence). This is not a criticism. It's amazing that Kawhi has turned into the scoring threat he has despite those limitations, but it illustrates that he can't carry the perimeter scoring himself (like Curry did tonight, for example. We held the rest of their starters in check, but Curry broke out backs).

So Kawhi's perimeter running mates are:

Tony Parker. Has had a resurgence, but all of us sense the wheels are about to come off soon. It's just improbable that a 34 year old PG with that many miles can average 16-18 points on good shooting.

Danny Green: Lol. No one is holding this guy back. Not LMA, adjusting to the offense, etc. He's a d-league level talent that worked very hard to get where he is, but ultimately, he's a role player who will always be limited. Essentially Bruce Bowen, who would unfortunately be a liability (his offensive limitations wouldn't make up for his defensive contributions) in today's league.

Manu. Same thing as Parker. Too old and worn to be consistent.

And the rest are role players. Mills, Simmons, Anderson, Butler, etc. All the other elite teams in the league have at least 2 perimeter studs and star/fringe star big(s). The Spurs really are a team by committee. As much as that kind of overall depth can be an advantage, it can also be a detriment since there's so many moving parts.

LMA is a very, very small of the overall picture, and I will still argue that he's contributed more than he has taken, much more. Golden State is beating the shit out of everyone. Was up 40 at Cleveland and then went into Chicago and beat them by 30., so to decry his signing because the Spurs have the unfortunate luck of playing in a year that just might feature the best team pro basketball has ever seen is a bit knee-jerky.

And that said, there was really no other choice than to roll the dice. Standing pat and developing a bunch of 2nd round picks and Euro projects wasn't going to win anything.

All very good points. I agree. The state of our backcourt is concerning. Not long ago, sasaint was debating in our trade thread in the think tank whether we should consider trading for a guy like Jordan Clarkson, who apparently the Lakers are unsure whether they want to resign or not, although they have since backtracked on that. The point was that there is concern about the state of our backcourt.

I mostly disagreed with Harlem's conclusion that Danny is sucking bc of LMA. Listen we were not going to stand pat. Standing pat already got us a 1st round exit in the playoffs despite Timmy playing like a star, and turning back the clock like 5 years, a performance that probably would not have been sustainable all the way to a championship even if we survived the first round, bc he's old. This season it was not going to be the same. So Danny is a grown man and his struggles are his own.

LMA though, he's a jumpshooting big lacking skill in the post, he's not that crafty or determined, and Pop apparently wants to play him inside a whole lot, when he prefers to shoot. But standing pat was not an option. I would say, welcome to the world post Timmy/Manu. We have to get what is out there, and look at trades and draft. It is what it is.

Agree with your points Mid.

[midnightpulp]

The myth? Are you high bro? The guy had 3 shots in 20 freaking minutes today. Its pretty evident the system forces the ball to move around enough for everyone to get in rhytem. The problem is that everyone not named Kawhi is a fourth tier offensive option save for Boris or Parker so the question is, is it worth to get kawhi standing in the corner for durations of the game to get people in rhytem.

Majority of the positions that kawhi gets on semi triple threat positions are designed for him to pass the ball. There's a massive difference in the touches thay kawhi gets out of motion/set and a Play. Sets dont allow for Isolations. You essentially break up the offense. Plays that gets Durant on triple threat situations are plays set for him to score.

The Guy hardly gets any touches off screens. You expect him to score 25? Hes essentially an Isolation player with limited 3 point touches that is in an unfortuante situation where he has to cater to Manu and Parke who still needs the ball to be on their hands because of talent abvailability.

Playing with Ginobili and Parker in the backcourt is a tricky situation when your an SF that relies on triple threat situatin, ISO and bully ball. For example, Leonard scores very little when one is on the floor and the touches and usage DIP significantly when both are on the floors. Durant, Lebron etc never had to deal with that because they cams out Guns blazing as rookie. Kawhi is now a.great offensive player. But him and the backcourt many times see him as 2013 kawhi

Since when are shots "touches?" If Kawhi is passing up shots and advantageous situations to pass, then that's on him.

Hand-waving by saying, "Uh, it's obvious the offense is designed for him to pass..." isn't enough. Kawhi gets the ball with a CLEAR advantage and doesn't attack, and when you watch the motion of the other players, they're usually running to spots to create a driving lane/iso situation for Kawhi. I've seen Kawhi take a couple of weak dribbles and then pass it back to Duncan at the top of the key more times than I can count. And this move is further exacerbated since Kawhi often brings his defender with him (by dribbling in the direction where Duncan is at), fucking up the spacing. You also seem to think "set plays" only allow for one result and result only. Any good play is going to be designed with the intent of generating a few options for a couple of different players. The way I see it, Kawhi isn't being assertive enough when the option is there for him.

Yeah, he didn't come out guns blazing, which why he isn't ready to be an elite offensive player yet. He doesn't have the experience nor the natural skill set of those players.

I would also argue that Kawhi facilitating more than ball dominating is a smart move. We're not winning anything with him or any other player ball dominating.

Also, this really shouldn't even be an argument. Kawhi is scoring enough. Problem is, he doesn't have a wing/guard player who can score near his clip (Durant has Westbrook, Lebron has Irving, Curry has Klay. All those 2nd options are threats to go off for 30 or 40 points at any given time). If you notice, it's something all the elite teams have in common. That's the biggest flaw in this team. Not lack of Kawhi touches, LMA, "Enrique," Pop, etc, etc. Sure, we got LMA to mitigate that problem somewhat, but the elite teams also have players about equal to LMA (Love, Draymond, Ibaka). It's pretty amazing the Spurs are actually this good.

The 2nd and 3rd best wing/guard scorers are a 34 and 37 year old, who are very, very inconsistent now. That's our Achilles heel. Nothing else. Handwringing over other factors is pretty much useless.

[dabom]

midnightpulp wants a super matt bonner. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

midnightpulp wants a super matt bonner. :lmao

No. I want a Russell Westbrook.

Our C/PF positions are fine, and insanely deep: LMA, Duncan, Boris, West, even Boban is pretty solid. If this were 2012 or something, we win the title.

But the Warriors can match our front court more than we can match their wings and guards. Our wing and guard depth after Kawhi is average to below average. If Manu and Tony turn back the clock and Simmons comes out of nowhere, then we have a shot.

[SAGirl]

Current Kawhi is 25+PPG guy, he just doenst get the ball enough he was 4-6 and 7-7 for crying out loud. The issue with Aldridge is that since they paid him 80 million dollars the spurs are forced to play in a manner that benefits his game offensiveley, the problem is that its not going to work out against the thunder, warriors, cavs..really the only foreasable contenders in the next three years.

The token Aldridge post ups has to GO. It works against the terrence jones and the Kelly olynyks of the but not against real contenders. Kawhi has to look up to 35 year old parker and freaking mills and 40 year old ginobili to run the point Jesus...The spurs are a great team now, but it wouldnt surprise me to see them collapse next year or even this year.

I think this is Timmy/Manu's last season. As great as they look still it has to end sometime, and you have to end it in a good note feeling satisfied that you helped the team and played well. These guys are not the kind to be a cadaver on the court and collect a paycheck. They compete hard, and I don't think either will want to retire/quit in the middle of the season, despite Pop making that sarcastic comment. He was trolling us. Just like Pop trolled us when he said he would retire with Tim. No, Timmy might not retire midseason bc he's not going to quit midseason on the team, he will do it quietly in the summer and one of these summers is it.

Manu said when he was ready he would not announce it ahead of time either. They can still play, but not dominate like they used to, and it has been an alarm for me since early season that the team depended on Manu so often to rescue games. I thought Pop played him too long in a blow out. Yea I am fangirl, but to me f*ck it. Anderson was terrible 3 minutes but he's 22, and Pop has shielded him from tough competition. It might wake him up, maybe you give him some experience and a wake up call to work on that shot, maybe he turns into someone you can keep or trade later on. Why play Manu in a 22 pt blowout? Bench Kawhi? Makes no sense, unless its Manu's last season and lets just let him do whatever he wants. Pop basically said Manu told the assistants he was not resting back to back and that was that.

I don't know, I am overreacting, but I see them as this is their last season.

[dabom]

No. I want a Russell Westbrook.

Our C/PF positions are fine, and insanely deep: LMA, Duncan, Boris, West, even Boban is pretty solid. If this were 2012 or something, we win the title.

But the Warriors can match our front court more than we can match their wings and guards. Our wing and guard depth after Kawhi is average to below average. If Manu and Tony turn back the clock and Simmons comes out of nowhere, then we have a shot.

Now you're making sense. I should bump that westbrook thread. Lot of gold in there.

[daslicer]

I think this is Timmy/Manu's last season. As great as they look still it has to end sometime, and you have to end it in a good note feeling satisfied that you helped the team and played well. These guys are not the kind to be a cadaver on the court and collect a paycheck. They compete hard, and I don't think either will want to retire/quit in the middle of the season, despite Pop making that sarcastic comment. He was trolling us. Just like Pop trolled us when he said he would retire with Tim. No, Timmy might not retire midseason bc he's not going to quit midseason on the team, he will do it quietly in the summer and one of these summers is it.

Manu said when he was ready he would not announce it ahead of time either. They can still play, but not dominate like they used to, and it has been an alarm for me since early season that the team depended on Manu so often to rescue games. I thought Pop played him too long in a blow out. Yea I am fangirl, but to me f*ck it. Anderson was terrible 3 minutes but he's 22, and Pop has shielded him from tough competition. It might wake him up, maybe you give him some experience and a wake up call to work on that shot, maybe he turns into someone you can keep or trade later on. Why play Manu in a 22 pt blowout? Bench Kawhi? Makes no sense, unless its Manu's last season and lets just let him do whatever he wants. Pop basically said Manu told the assistants he was not resting back to back and that was that.

I don't know, I am overreacting, but I see them as this is their last season.

I have said after the spurs won 5 they were playing with house money. There is nothing left to prove for Duncan,Manu there legacies are set regardless of whether or not they win another title. That is why these losses don't get to me unlike most people on this board. I just enjoy watching them play and don't care about the losses.

[midnightpulp]

Now you're making sense. I should bump that westbrook thread. Lot of gold in there.

I've always made sense. I don't know why you drew the conclusion that me saying a Kevin Love-type player helps create spacing for wings to post means I want a Kevin Love.

Our front court isn't the problem. Kawhi touches aren't the problem. Perimeter inconsistency outside of Kawhi is our problem. And Danny getting hot won't solve any of that. We need an attacker or two, basically prime Manu and Tony.

[dabom]

You went back to talking trash dude. :lol

[SAGirl]

I have said after the spurs won 5 they were playing with house money. There is nothing left to prove for Duncan,Manu there legacies are set regardless of whether or not they win another title. That is why these losses don't get to me unlike most people on this board. I just enjoy watching them play and don't care about the losses.
This is a good point. Makes them enjoyable to watch even in these blowouts.
I have started to enjoy just watching guys develop. It makes watching Kawhi still fun, aside from all these arguments of touches or what not. He's come a long way, and he's still growing. It is maybe an unhealthy fandom I have with Anderson, but I do enjoy watching him play, specially with Boban, who I also enjoy. I thought in preseason and early season Anderson and Boban had developed a kind of chemistry, very rudimentary but similar to Manu/Tiago and I still find them fun to watch. Who knows? They are both cringeworthy at times, Anderson very. But they have their good moments and flashes and there is a hope with young guys that they will get better. Whereas watching vets like Danny/LMA struggle gets boring quickly.

[ceperez]

That is still a red alert bc this might very well be TD's last season. I know some ppl are in denial, and it's not a certain thing. But we can say it is at least 50-50%.
If he needs Timmy to hold his hand we are in trouble in the long run.
Somehow I didn't expect him to show up, but I hoped he did.

Same here, I saw all the ugly signs earlier, warned everyone not to keep their hopes up, was wishing for the best.

The guy now needs to be traded.

[ceperez]

I think this is Timmy/Manu's last season. As great as they look still it has to end sometime, and you have to end it in a good note feeling satisfied that you helped the team and played well. These guys are not the kind to be a cadaver on the court and collect a paycheck. They compete hard, and I don't think either will want to retire/quit in the middle of the season, despite Pop making that sarcastic comment. He was trolling us. Just like Pop trolled us when he said he would retire with Tim. No, Timmy might not retire midseason bc he's not going to quit midseason on the team, he will do it quietly in the summer and one of these summers is it.

Manu said when he was ready he would not announce it ahead of time either. They can still play, but not dominate like they used to, and it has been an alarm for me since early season that the team depended on Manu so often to rescue games. I thought Pop played him too long in a blow out. Yea I am fangirl, but to me f*ck it. Anderson was terrible 3 minutes but he's 22, and Pop has shielded him from tough competition. It might wake him up, maybe you give him some experience and a wake up call to work on that shot, maybe he turns into someone you can keep or trade later on. Why play Manu in a 22 pt blowout? Bench Kawhi? Makes no sense, unless its Manu's last season and lets just let him do whatever he wants. Pop basically said Manu told the assistants he was not resting back to back and that was that.

I don't know, I am overreacting, but I see them as this is their last season.

I guess the only reason to play Manu is for him to probe and figure out GS weaknesses. However, the entire team needs to become familiar with how GS plays. They were being beat defensively and it just seems the Spurs were too surprised with the kind of intense play. Maybe it is too much time off and playing two weak teams previously.

[SAGirl]

I guess the only reason to play Manu is for him to probe and figure out GS weaknesses. However, the entire team needs to become familiar with how GS plays. They were being beat defensively and it just seems the Spurs were too surprised with the kind of intense play. Maybe it is too much time off and playing two weak teams previously.
You could say in a way they coasted here. The previously challenging team was Cavs and they were blown out by GSW as well. The ball pressure was intense.

[ceperez]

You could say in a way they coasted here. The previously challenging team was Cavs and they were blown out by GSW as well. The ball pressure was intense.

What I've always worried about the Spurs is that although they can play with a high intensity and efficiency during regular season play, I worry if they can take it up a gear. They did so against the Cavs but not the Warriors. The Warriors just have more offensive threats that are exposing the Spurs.

[DenialTwist]

Maybe the Spurs should have just gotten someone like JJ Hickson? He was cheaper anyway. Then they could have signed someone like Markieff Morris? Maybe it wasn't such a bad idea for LMA to go to the Suns lol

[ceperez]

Maybe the Spurs should have just gotten someone like JJ Hickson? He was cheaper anyway. Then they could have signed someone like Markieff Morris? Maybe it wasn't such a bad idea for LMA to go to the Suns lol

Let's put this in perspective, Duncan and Manu took major paycuts to get LMA on board. He absolutely has to play like an all-star and not like just some other player.

He has had half a season to develop his game, yet he's still playing badly!

This is RJ 2.0 and I honestly am not thrilled that it is happening. I just happened to see this happening while everyone else was in denial.

[99 Problems]

At least Boogie is coming good for us. :toast

[ceperez]

http://www.playmakeronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/983746675712343.jpg

LMA is the second coming of RJ.

24/2 = 12

A failed experiment that needs to be traded.

[sasaint]

Maybe the Spurs should have just gotten someone like JJ Hickson? He was cheaper anyway. Then they could have signed someone like Markieff Morris? Maybe it wasn't such a bad idea for LMA to go to the Suns lol

Surely you jest! Spurs do not want anything to do with any cancer named Morris.

It is hindsight now, but the Blazer I wanted was LMA's teammate, Robin Lopez - better defender, better rim protector, better rebounder and cheaper than his brother. Then this offseason go after Al Horford to replace Tim, who I believe is playing his last season. Plus signing Lopez might have given us an opportunity to pick up a good guard.

[ceperez]

Surely you jest! Spurs do not want anything to do with any cancer named Morris.

It is hindsight now, but the Blazer I wanted was LMA's teammate, Robin Lopez - better defender, better rim protector, better rebounder and cheaper than his brother. Then this offseason go after Al Horford to replace Tim, who I believe is playing his last season. Plus signing Lopez might have given us an opportunity to pick up a good guard.

The LMA contract is like the RJ contract. It gives very little flexibility.

This is really sad that Spurs thought they got an all-star in his prime only to find a player that's not engaged and is declining physically at age 30.

[Chinook]

I mean, he has to step up. That's all there is to it. And if Tim has to show him the way, that's just how it's going to be. People forget how Lebron folded in 2011 and Wade had to push him to play to his potential afterwards. Before that, James was a career choker in the biggest moments. Now the dude is pretty much unstoppable in the Finals. I hope it doesn't take the Spurs losing the WCF for Aldridge to wake up, but it's possible that he has to really see what being tentative costs him before he can get his head straight.

[sasaint]

Let's put this in perspective, Duncan and Manu took major paycuts to get LMA on board. He absolutely has to play like an all-star and not like just some other player.

He has had half a season to develop his game, yet he's still playing badly!

This is RJ 2.0 and I honestly am not thrilled that it is happening. I just happened to see this happening while everyone else was in denial.

As you know from our exchanges, I have kind of been holding my breath about LMA. But I am afraid you are right. I have noted for weeks that, although I was pleasantly surprised by his D, I thought LMA did not play with any passion or intensity. Last night, without Tim, we needed LMA to man up. He wilted, instead. I don't believe we will trade him or anybody else this season. I believe we will stand pat, and whether we lose in the first round or the Western Conference Finals, we will not get a whiff of a championship. Worse, going forward, in signing LMA for Timmy to pass the torch to in order to perpetuate our dominance, we have seriously miscalculated. LMA apparently lacks the heart and the skill set necessary to be anything remotely resembling an adequate successor to Tim. Perhaps he will retain enough value for us to still be able to trade him in the coming offseason for a valuable asset.

[ceperez]

As you know from our exchanges, I have kind of been holding my breath about LMA. But I am afraid you are right. I have noted for weeks that, although I was pleasantly surprised by his D, I thought LMA did not play with any passion or intensity. Last night, without Tim, we needed LMA to man up. He wilted, instead. I don't believe we will trade him or anybody else this season. I believe we will stand pat, and whether we lose in the first round or the Western Conference Finals, we will not get a whiff of a championship. Worse, going forward, in signing LMA for Timmy to pass the torch to in order to perpetuate our dominance, we have seriously miscalculated. LMA apparently lacks the heart and the skill set necessary to be anything remotely resembling an adequate successor to Tim. Perhaps he will retain enough value for us to still be able to trade him in the coming offseason for a valuable asset.

Spurs need to fail and fail fast. Tim and Manu are on their last legs. Parker is only capable half of the games.

The league is also changing in that you need more mobile centers. That's why I'm saying that PATFO needs to dump Aldridge for more FLEXIBILITY. There are a couple of quicker bigs coming out into free agency that Spurs need flexibility to bid for.

Spurs are in *MAJOR* trouble if Aldridge isn't an all-star calibre player. Spurs can't get pass GSW without Aldridge delivering.

[sasaint]

The LMA contract is like the RJ contract. It gives very little flexibility.

This is really sad that Spurs thought they got an all-star in his prime only to find a player that's not engaged and is declining physically at age 30.

With the salary cap going up, the LMA contract may not be horrible as it may seem right now.

[ceperez]

Just in case people forget, Aldridge scored 5 points (2-9 shooting 22%) with 3 rebounds in 25 minutes of play.

To add insult to injury, he had as many turn-overs as he had rebounds!

That is f*cking pathetic.

[SpursBig3s]

Just in case people forget, Aldridge scored 5 points (2-9 shooting 22%) with 3 rebounds in 25 minutes of play.

To add insult to injury, he had as many turn-overs as he had rebounds!

That is f*cking pathetic.


I'll eat my crow for now, you have a legitimate argument. Aldridge was terrible last night. He hasn't been as bad as you say he's been all season. For the most part, he's been good. But last night was awful. Can't deny that

[ElNono]

TD21 already diagnosed the problem with this team: Lack of perimeter firepower, explosive 3 point shooting, and the inability to get to the line (which is a big weakness if you're not a team that can volume shoot 3 pointers at a good percentage).

As much as I love Kawhi, I think my fears are coming true that his peak scoring ability (while maintaining good efficiency) just might be around the 18ppg-20ppg mark. Sure, he could average 25+ on a shitty team where he can volume shoot, but for his efficiency to remain solid, he's a player who needs to pick his spots carefully and score within the offense. He's not Curry, Durant, Harden, Lebron, one of those players who can create spots for himself off the dribble. He's got a nice post game, and that's about it. I want him to become a dribble-drive beast, but I just don't think he has the ability (relatively low vertical, average, at best, ball handling, and seemingly low confidence). This is not a criticism. It's amazing that Kawhi has turned into the scoring threat he has despite those limitations, but it illustrates that he can't carry the perimeter scoring himself (like Curry did tonight, for example. We held the rest of their starters in check, but Curry broke out backs).

So Kawhi's perimeter running mates are:

Tony Parker. Has had a resurgence, but all of us sense the wheels are about to come off soon. It's just improbable that a 34 year old PG with that many miles can average 16-18 points on good shooting.

Danny Green: Lol. No one is holding this guy back. Not LMA, adjusting to the offense, etc. He's a d-league level talent that worked very hard to get where he is, but ultimately, he's a role player who will always be limited. Essentially Bruce Bowen, who would unfortunately be a liability (his offensive limitations wouldn't make up for his defensive contributions) in today's league.

Manu. Same thing as Parker. Too old and worn to be consistent.

And the rest are role players. Mills, Simmons, Anderson, Butler, etc. All the other elite teams in the league have at least 2 perimeter studs and star/fringe star big(s). The Spurs really are a team by committee. As much as that kind of overall depth can be an advantage, it can also be a detriment since there's so many moving parts.

LMA is a very, very small of the overall picture, and I will still argue that he's contributed more than he has taken, much more. Golden State is beating the shit out of everyone. Was up 40 at Cleveland and then went into Chicago and beat them by 30., so to decry his signing because the Spurs have the unfortunate luck of playing in a year that just might feature the best team pro basketball has ever seen is a bit knee-jerky.

And that said, there was really no other choice than to roll the dice. Standing pat and developing a bunch of 2nd round picks and Euro projects wasn't going to win anything.

Yet the Spurs are better than everyone but the Dubs, who are a more established team at this point in time. The Spurs improvement will have to come from within, becoming an "established" team themselves, with the new guys meshing into the system. That takes time, and while they're obviously trying to make it work by the end of the season, it might not happen until next season... but we all knew these things when the season started. We just are a bit spoiled because this team vastly exceeded expectations so far (last night's game notwithstanding).

[ElNono]

That is still a red alert bc this might very well be TD's last season. I know some ppl are in denial, and it's not a certain thing. But we can say it is at least 50-50%.
If he needs Timmy to hold his hand we are in trouble in the long run.
Somehow I didn't expect him to show up, but I hoped he did.

Well, this tied to that other thread "how many rings the Spurs will win when Tim/Manu hang them up".... you know my opinion on det one...

[SAGirl]

Well, this tied to that other thread "how many rings the Spurs will win when Tim/Manu hang them up".... you know my opinion on det one...
Yes I see your point. A team without an elite big is a sham.
Raymond is a deuce, really Curry is a star but w/o Raymond they are not at this level. And there are many young elite true bigs (as Raymond is short for a forward, he just has cojones) coming up in the league. We will make the playoffs bc of Kawhi, but when the two retire, we will be one piece away from true contention, like so many other teams out there.

[ElNono]

Yes I see your point. A team without an elite big is a sham.
Raymond is a deuce, really Curry is a star but w/o Raymond they are not at this level. And there are many young elite true bigs (as Raymond is short for a forward, he just has cojones) coming up in the league. We will make the playoffs bc of Kawhi, but when the two retire, we will be one piece away from true contention, like so many other teams out there.

It all starts and ends with Curry if you ask me, then there's the system that fits the personnel like a glove, and you have players really buying into it and executing really well, you have the 'seasons together' storyline too. Obviously, the way they're performing and winning makes much easier to be a believer. We've been there before. It takes time and it's not easy, much less maintain it. They're historically great, there's no doubt about it.

[Johnny RIngo]

Spurs had the most dominant run in playoff history in 2014. Seems strange to change that system and offense in order to accommodate a beta big man that couldn't even hack it in Portland.

[RD2191]

Spurs had the most dominant run in playoff history in 2014. Seems strange to change that system and offense in order to accommodate a beta big man that couldn't even hack it in Portland.

Tbh

[Budkin]

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[ElNono]

Spurs had the most dominant run in playoff history in 2014. Seems strange to change that system and offense in order to accommodate a beta big man that couldn't even hack it in Portland.

Because it just wasn't sustainable, IMO.

[T_L_P]

Spurs had the most dominant run in playoff history in 2014. Seems strange to change that system and offense in order to accommodate a beta big man that couldn't even hack it in Portland.

2001 Lakers were easily better than the 2014 Spurs in the POs.

[gambit1990]

yes.

[spursmvp]

Spurs had the most dominant run in playoff history in 2014. Seems strange to change that system and offense in order to accommodate a beta big man that couldn't even hack it in Portland.

couldn't get past the clips with that system...

[dabom]

38 and 7 and you spoiled fucks have something to say. :lmao

28 other teams would gladly have these problems. :lmao

[dabom]

Almost derped that. :lol

[dabom]

I'm gonna now bump this after every Spurs win. :lol

[spursmvp]

38 and 7 and you spoiled fucks have something to say. :lmao

28 other teams would gladly have these problems. :lmao

well the bad part is having the expectation to compete only to find out you're just a distant #2. At least last year there was virtually no hope at all...

[dabom]

When Spurs and Heat where blowing each other out in the 2013 Finals it was a close 1a 1b and we should have won it. It happens. Teams get blown out. There is no need for a fucking meltdown and reevaluate ourselves like some of these fucking posters that should have been through all that already.

[skulls138]

I'll eat my crow for now, you have a legitimate argument. Aldridge was terrible last night. He hasn't been as bad as you say he's been all season. For the most part, he's been good. But last night was awful. Can't deny thatWe got him to make up for the aging of the big three enough to win a championship. He needs to be playing like an all-star by the end of the season or be in the conversation.

[daslicer]

When Spurs and Heat where blowing each other out in the 2013 Finals it was a close 1a 1b and we should have won it. It happens. Teams get blown out. There is no need for a fucking meltdown and reevaluate ourselves like some of these fucking posters that should have been through all that already.

This agreed it could go either way for the spurs vs warriors. Despite losing in this game I still give the spurs a 50-50 chance against the Warriors in the WCF.

[Spurtacular]

2001 Lakers were easily better than the 2014 Spurs in the POs.

Not really, tbh.

[Slippy]

Not sure about the stats on this but ive noticed. Whenever tim has the night off, LA seems to shrivel. Almost to making a point of it - that he doesnt want the burden of taking on the oppositions biggest and best.

Something the coach needs to look at or mentally LA needs to overcome .

[DenialTwist]

Surely you jest! Spurs do not want anything to do with any cancer named Morris.

It is hindsight now, but the Blazer I wanted was LMA's teammate, Robin Lopez - better defender, better rim protector, better rebounder and cheaper than his brother. Then this offseason go after Al Horford to replace Tim, who I believe is playing his last season. Plus signing Lopez might have given us an opportunity to pick up a good guard.

Horford would be a steal. Great game, team player, good attitude, and right demeanor for the spurs.

[ceperez]

Not sure about the stats on this but ive noticed. Whenever tim has the night off, LA seems to shrivel. Almost to making a point of it - that he doesnt want the burden of taking on the oppositions biggest and best.

Something the coach needs to look at or mentally LA needs to overcome .

First they speculated that Aldridge wasn't scoring much because he had to share the ball.

Now with nobody to share the ball with (i.e. Duncan) he keeps performing badly.

So what gives?

[SpursBig3s]

[QUOTE=skulls138;8394581]We got him to make up for the aging of the big three enough to win a championship. He needs to be playing like an all-star by the end of the season or be in the conversation.[/QUOTE

yup. Agreed

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I mean, he has to step up. That's all there is to it. And if Tim has to show him the way, that's just how it's going to be. People forget how Lebron folded in 2011 and Wade had to push him to play to his potential afterwards. Before that, James was a career choker in the biggest moments. Now the dude is pretty much unstoppable in the Finals. I hope it doesn't take the Spurs losing the WCF for Aldridge to wake up, but it's possible that he has to really see what being tentative costs him before he can get his head straight.

Lebrons choking and lames choking are not the same. Lebron is a runaway bride, and lame is just always a bridesmaid.

[DPG21920]

People are learning the difference in all-star and legit franchise anchor. LMA is a damn good player but Tim is a generational anchor. There's really not many Tims & there's a reason why Tim, Lebron, etc are always sniffing around the finals. Fact is without a guy like Tim it's damn hard to win a title.

Not impossible but we are already seeing the difference in having a damn good player be your best player (LMA/Kawhi - which isn't bad, Spurs are a ridiculously good team and can still win a title) vs an all time great (Tim). It's just different.

[Kawhitstorm]

As far as LMA, I've always said Gasol would be a better fit (which you vehemently disagreed) b/c he can affect the game on BOTH ends without scoring. He would have been an oversized version of Diaw & the offense wouldn't have needed to be isolation heavy although Porkers decline required it to a certain extent.

[ceperez]

As far as LMA, I've always said Gasol would be a better fit (which you vehemently disagreed) b/c he can affect the game on BOTH ends without scoring. He would have been an oversized version of Diaw & the offense wouldn't have needed to be isolation heavy although Porkers decline required it to a certain extent.

Gasol obviously would have been better considering that he's at least won a major individual award (DPOY). However, Gasol has zero intention of leaving Memphis. There was an article about this and about the Spurs having to go with plan B.

The league consensus however was that LMA was almost as good as Gasol. See all the rankings for free agents at the time. Anyway, so far LMA has been a disappointment with the Spurs. Talk about bad luck!

[Kawhitstorm]

Gasol obviously would have been better considering that he's at least won a major individual award (DPOY). However, Gasol has zero intention of leaving Memphis. There was an article about this and about the Spurs having to go with plan B.

The league consensus however was that LMA was almost as good as Gasol. See all the rankings for free agents at the time. Anyway, so far LMA has been a disappointment with the Spurs. Talk about bad luck!

The good news is that Softridge's contract can be moved since bums are going to be getting 80mill contracts starting this upcoming summer.:toast

Considering his age he has to be traded to a "win-now" type team & the only one that makes sense is LMA/Patty for Millsap/Schroder assuming that Horford/Teague are going to re-sign w/ the Hawks.

-The Raptors would take him in heart beat but Valanciunas is just a rich-man's Baynes.:lol
-The Bulls would be glad to swap Pau for LMA but they have nobody else to use as a bait (Rose:lol)
-The Wizard could use LMA as a consolation prize for the Durant sweepstakes but Gortat isn't going to cut it.:lol
-If LMA wants to be the face of a franchise for the duration of his contract (:lol) then he could be shipped out to Brooklyn for Lopez

Disclaimer: POTFO aren't trading him to a western conference team unless it's Gasol or Blake (after he agrees to an extension).

[ceperez]

The good news is that Softridge's contract can be moved since bums are going to be getting 80mill contracts starting this upcoming summer.:toast

Considering his age he has to be traded to a "win-now" type team & the only one that makes sense is LMA/Patty for Millsap/Schroder assuming that Horford/Teague are going to re-sign w/ the Hawks.

-The Raptors would take him in heart beat but Valanciunas is just a rich-man's Baynes.:lol
-The Bulls would be glad to swap Pau for LMA but they have nobody else to use as a bait (Rose:lol)
-The Wizard could use LMA as a consolation prize for the Durant sweepstakes but Gortat isn't going to cut it.:lol
-If LMA wants to be the face of a franchise for the duration of his contract (:lol) then he could be shipped out to Brooklyn for Lopez

Disclaimer: POTFO aren't trading him to a western conference team unless it's Gasol or Blake (after he agrees to an extension).

Hawks apparently shopping Schroder: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240584/Hawks-Asking-For-Trade-Offers-For-Either-Jeff-Teague-Dennis-Schroder

Bulls will be for Pau and Noah, to match the salary cap.

Brook Lopez trade can be straight up trade without additional. Given Nets are too thrilled with Lopez performance, they might bite. Speaking of Lopez, he scored 30+ points against OKC just a few games back. Lopez is injury prone, however he's at least willing to mix it up down low.

I would go with the Bulls options because it gives maximum flexibility with the expiration of Noah contract and 1 year for Pau. There is a possibility that Lebron bails on Cleveland after this year's disappointment.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i think the Celtics would be an interesting trade partner to dump lame to. They seem like they've been looking for the kinda scrap heap superstar that lame is. I think they were rumored to be after cousins and i know they wanted love. They're loaded with picks and a surplus of spursy bigs. i actually think the best player for the spurs would be Crowder.

look at the matchup with the Warriors and factor out Timmy. then replace lame with Crowder, and shuffle the rotation as necessary. I think Pop would get something like Boban or West starting against Bogut. Diaw or Crowder against Draymond. Green, Manu against Barnes, Thompson. and i wouldn't even think about anybody but Kawhi on Curry.

The Spurs would come out of the lame era as well as they came out of the dick jefferson era.

[daslicer]

LMA will be fine its just one game the whole entire team played like dog shit. He's had success against Draymond before. Just watched an old game where he scored 27 points on Draymond. He did that by playing his game which is fadeaways and midrange jumpers. Next time the Spurs play the Warriors LMA has to play his game and not try to do things that he normally doesn't. Anyways Spurs will win a title with LMA and all this stuff will be forgotten months from now.

[dabom]

Gasol is trash in a Spurs uniform. Dude is a bum compared to LMA. We have one of the greatest teams in the NBA ever and people think Gasol would be a better fit? Fucking casuals. :lmao

[ceperez]

I'm gonna now bump this after every Spurs win. :lol

What does Spurs winning have to do with Aldridge?

[dabom]

What does Spurs winning have to do with Aldridge?

A lot actually. Rebound and score and defend. Allows Tim to rest which is a big thing for the playoffs. And he clearly needs it this year. He allows Tim to play strictly defense and it shows.

[ceperez]

A lot actually. Rebound and score and defend. Allows Tim to rest which is a big thing for the playoffs. And he clearly needs it this year. He allows Tim to play strictly defense and it shows.

I wouldn't have noticed.... he seems to be invisible in important games.

[dabom]

I wouldn't have noticed.... he seems to be invisible in important games.

Turn on your tv next time. Might help you.

[Arcadian]

Without Aldridge, we wouldn't even be contenders, tbh. We'd be way too reliant on 24-yo Leonard and 39-yo Duncan. We need that extra scoring option.

[ceperez]

Without Aldridge, we wouldn't even be contenders, tbh. We'd be way too reliant on 24-yo Leonard and 39-yo Duncan. We need that extra scoring option.

He's named David West.

[dabom]

He's named David West.

:lmao

[Arcadian]

He's named David West.

David West is 6'9. We need the size of another 7-footer.

[ceperez]

In the last 5 games, http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2177/david-west

West is averaging 62.9% from the field, 9.8 points, 18.8 minutes of play
Aldrige is averaging 40.0% from the field, 8.2 points, 20 minutes of play

obviously you folks are biased just because West doesn't pass your eye-test.

[cd98]

Does Aldridge's performance against Warriors (and other good teams) cost him an all-star spot? Can't think Spurs would only get one all-star.

[TD 21]

TD21 already diagnosed the problem with this team: Lack of perimeter firepower, explosive 3 point shooting, and the inability to get to the line (which is a big weakness if you're not a team that can volume shoot 3 pointers at a good percentage).

As much as I love Kawhi, I think my fears are coming true that his peak scoring ability (while maintaining good efficiency) just might be around the 18ppg-20ppg mark. Sure, he could average 25+ on a shitty team where he can volume shoot, but for his efficiency to remain solid, he's a player who needs to pick his spots carefully and score within the offense. He's not Curry, Durant, Harden, Lebron, one of those players who can create spots for himself off the dribble. He's got a nice post game, and that's about it. I want him to become a dribble-drive beast, but I just don't think he has the ability (relatively low vertical, average, at best, ball handling, and seemingly low confidence). This is not a criticism. It's amazing that Kawhi has turned into the scoring threat he has despite those limitations, but it illustrates that he can't carry the perimeter scoring himself (like Curry did tonight, for example. We held the rest of their starters in check, but Curry broke out backs).

So Kawhi's perimeter running mates are:

Tony Parker. Has had a resurgence, but all of us sense the wheels are about to come off soon. It's just improbable that a 34 year old PG with that many miles can average 16-18 points on good shooting.

Danny Green: Lol. No one is holding this guy back. Not LMA, adjusting to the offense, etc. He's a d-league level talent that worked very hard to get where he is, but ultimately, he's a role player who will always be limited. Essentially Bruce Bowen, who would unfortunately be a liability (his offensive limitations wouldn't make up for his defensive contributions) in today's league.

Manu. Same thing as Parker. Too old and worn to be consistent.

And the rest are role players. Mills, Simmons, Anderson, Butler, etc. All the other elite teams in the league have at least 2 perimeter studs and star/fringe star big(s). The Spurs really are a team by committee. As much as that kind of overall depth can be an advantage, it can also be a detriment since there's so many moving parts.

LMA is a very, very small of the overall picture, and I will still argue that he's contributed more than he has taken, much more. Golden State is beating the shit out of everyone. Was up 40 at Cleveland and then went into Chicago and beat them by 30., so to decry his signing because the Spurs have the unfortunate luck of playing in a year that just might feature the best team pro basketball has ever seen is a bit knee-jerky.

And that said, there was really no other choice than to roll the dice. Standing pat and developing a bunch of 2nd round picks and Euro projects wasn't going to win anything.

Since I've said much of it myself in recent months, suffice it to say, I agree with most of this.

I've given Aldridge a free pass for his previous no shows against elite or second tier teams, but his seeming inability to raise his intensity level against elite teams, is alarming.

He looked downright scared of Green. I know he naturally goes away from contact, both in the post and in terms of setting screens, but you'd think frustration would kick in at some point and he'd at least try to physically overwhelm that arrogant prick.

I know he turned 30 over the summer and came in out of shape, but we're 45 games in and he's not coming off of a significant injury that would sap some athleticism and at least in theory, he plays a relatively low impact style, as far as the stress he's putting on his joints. Despite all this, his athleticism/mobility have seemingly fallen off a cliff. Not that he was an explosive or freakish athlete, but he was a solid one.

[ElNono]

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[dabom]

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[apalisoc_9]

Predictable. Aldridge really is a soft pussy who needs to.be pampered. He really does play good against shit teams.

[apalisoc_9]

He also only plays with energy when the offense is worked around to get him touches. He is not a spur like player.

[Mnky]

LMA leading the team in scoring still the best record for the spurs.

Kawhi leading the team.. 30 pt blowout.

I've seen enough to know who the alpha is.

[daslicer]

Predictable. Aldridge really is a soft pussy who needs to.be pampered. He really does play good against shit teams.

The reality is the majority of the league is pretty much shitty. Outside of the Spurs they are only 4 good teams Warriors,Cavs,Clippers,OKC. Lamarcus had a good game against the Clippers. I don't count his game against OKC since it was the first regular season game. In reality he's only had 2 shit games against 2 good teams. We'll see how this progresses as the spurs plays those 4 teams several more times this year.

[RD2191]

LMA leading the team in scoring still the best record for the spurs.

Kawhi leading the team.. 30 pt blowout.

I've seen enough to know who the alpha is.

Yeah, the Finals MVP and DPOY.

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi is like the size of the sun and Aldridge is pluto..not even close

In the words of zach lowe "its not aldrudge fault hes playing with a super duper superstar"

[spursistan]

Watch him..pull the 6 point 2 rebs in 28 mins game vs Cleveland :lol

[midnightpulp]

Kawhi is like the size of the sun and Aldridge is pluto..not even close

In the words of zach lowe "its not aldrudge fault hes playing with a super duper superstar"

Like it or not, LMA, Tony, et al are going to have to get touches and become scorers if this team is to have any chance in Hell at beating the Warriors. Kawhi isn't going to able to carry a 1st option type scoring load against the Warriors while at the same time chasing around Curry, Klay, and banging with Draymond. If your boy Danny wasn't a D-league level talent who can't even make a simple adjustment (i.e. this seemingly impossible task for him to adjust to the new system), Kawhi could elevate to that role possibly.

[YGWHI]

As much as I love Kawhi, I think my fears are coming true that his peak scoring ability (while maintaining good efficiency) just might be around the 18ppg-20ppg mark. Sure, he could average 25+ on a shitty team where he can volume shoot, but for his efficiency to remain solid, he's a player who needs to pick his spots carefully and score within the offense.

Or a good/great team where he gets consistently 15-16 FGA per game. Klay 16 FGA per game this season, Butler 16.3, DeRozan 17.6...Kawhi 12 FGA in January..13.1 FGA in December.

Kawhi could easily maintain his efficiency with just 3-4 touches more per game, but if you don't think scoring are related to touches...

[spursistan]

I'm seriously rooting for him..Timmy is degrading before our eyes like the 40 yo he is...if we could get one last playoff-Duncan run, LMA needs to pull his weight in remaining reg season to preserve him for it..

[midnightpulp]

Or a good/great team where he gets consistently 15-16 FGA per game. Klay 16 FGA per game this season, Butler 16.3, DeRozan 17.6...Kawhi 12 FGA in January..13.1 FGA in December.

Kawhi could easily maintain his efficiency with just 3-4 touches more per game, but if you don't think scoring are related to touches...

I'm tired of having this argument. He gets plenty of front court touches, and they're good touches, about 5 less than KD, who plays in a higher paced system. I sit there talking to my TV, telling Kawhi to drive the fucking ball when the offense generates such for him and, although he occasionally does, he passes it out for a reset more often than not. You'll probably say maybe the play wasn't for Kawhi. No. Basketball plays are designed to create a variety of opportunities.

Kawhi either lacks the confidence or the skills to be a consistent attacker.

"They should placate his greatest strength then. The post!"

This isn't 2008.

[dabom]

Kawhi with the best percentages on the team and league and this faggot wants him to change his role fucking low IQ posters. Yes like Kawhi doesn't try to drive the fucking ball every play. :lmao

[dabom]

I'm tired of fucking low IQ posters trying to talk about basketball when they got no eye for the game. STFU and watch. :lmao

[RD2191]

Kawhi with the best percentages on the team and league and this faggot wants him to change his role fucking low IQ posters. Yes like Kawhi doesn't try to drive the fucking ball every play. :lmao

Tbh

[midnightpulp]

Kawhi with the best percentages on the team and league and this faggot wants him to change his role fucking low IQ posters. Yes like Kawhi doesn't try to drive the fucking ball every play. :lmao

"Gib bawl to Kiwi :cry"

[dabom]

"Gib bawl to Kiwi :cry"

Everyone knows you're a low IQ poster. :lmao

Why can't Kawhi drive the ball more. :depressed

Only like 60+TS%.. :depressed

[YGWHI]

Kawhi either lacks the confidence or the skills to be a consistent attacker.
If that's true -I doubt it- they should give him the ball in their favorite spots, in the post, around 10-16 feet for his mid-range, calls plays for his 3s...

If he isn't that attacker, "front court touches" aren't helping his offense, right?

Even if you say otherwise, the Spurs won't win many games in playoffs if they don't put the ball in Kawhi's hands in his favorite spots...

[Mnky]

I'll be tuning in to the all star game this year to see Kawhi the all star role player tbh.

[midnightpulp]

Everyone knows you're a low IQ poster. :lmao

Why can't Kawhi drive the ball more. :depressed

Only like 60+TS%.. :depressed

Why are bringing up shooting percentage when I'm talking about the amount of drives? Anybody can have a good efficiency on a low number of attempts.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=F

Kawhi averages 4.0 drives per game and only averages 1 FTA. Compare that to Lebron's 8.8, Butler's 7.6, and Hayward's 7.6. They all also all average over 2 FTAs.

:lol He drives the ball nearly every play.

[dabom]

Why are bringing up shooting percentage when I'm talking about the amount of drives? Anybody can have a good efficiency on a low number of attempts.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=F

Kawhi averages 4.0 drives per game and only averages 1 FTA. Compare that to Lebron's 8.8, Butler's 7.6, and Hayward's 7.6. They all also all average over 2 FTAs.

:lol He drives the ball nearly every play.

I didn't say he drives every fucking play retard. Kawhi shoots the ball better than all those cucks you stupid fuck. You tell a low IQ chucker to drive more for higher percentage shots. You don't need to tell a great shooter to change his game you stupid fuck. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

If that's true -I doubt it- they should give him the ball in their favorite spots, in the post, around 10-16 feet for his mid-range, calls plays for his 3s...

If he isn't that attacker, "front court touches" aren't helping his offense, right?

Even if you say otherwise, the Spurs won't win many games in playoffs if they don't put the ball in Kawhi's hands in his favorite spots...

Post. Midrange jumpers.

Why do you want to turn him into Kobe Bryant?

That style of basketball isn't going to work in 2016.

All the top small forward's (with the exception of Durant, who is the 2nd best 3 point shooter off the dribble in the league, so it's understandable) drive the ball at a much higher rate than Kawhi:

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=F

[dabom]

Is mid worse than fucking ceperez? Dude is a joke. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

I didn't say he drives every fucking play retard. Kawhi shoots the ball better than all those cucks you stupid fuck. You tell a low IQ chucker to drive more for higher percentage shots. You don't need to tell a great shooter to change his game you stupid fuck. :lmao


Kawhi with the best percentages on the team and league and this faggot wants him to change his role fucking low IQ posters. Yes like Kawhi doesn't try to drive the fucking ball every play. :lmao

Yes you did.

Just stop posting.

[dabom]

KAwhi .617TS%
Butler .585TS%
Hayward .560TS%
Lebron .571TS%

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Low IQ faggot poster. :lmao

[dabom]

Be more like those guys Kawhi. Please. :depressed

[midnightpulp]

Is mid worse than fucking ceperez? Dude is a joke. :lmao

"Gib bawl to Kiwi :cry"

[cjw]

Is mid worse than fucking ceperez? Dude is a joke. :lmao

He forgets that the Spurs offense isn't as conducive to dribble -> drive. Unlike Cleveland/Chicago/Utah, they actually move the ball around.

[DPG21920]

Great response from LMA. Had some "tough" moments (block on Dwight that was a good hard foul, some aggressive rebounds, etc...). Houston while being a bad defensive team, was playing great and LMA sh*t all over them.

[dabom]

Post. Midrange jumpers.

Why do you want to turn him into Kobe Bryant?

That style of basketball isn't going to work in 2016.

All the top small forward's (with the exception of Durant, who is the 2nd best 3 point shooter off the dribble in the league, so it's understandable) drive the ball at a much higher rate than Kawhi:

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=F


KAwhi .617TS%
Butler .585TS%
Hayward .560TS%
Lebron .571TS%

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Low IQ faggot poster. :lmao


Be more like those guys Kawhi. Please. :depressed


Is mid worse than fucking ceperez? Dude is a joke. :lmao

:lmao

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Predictable. Aldridge really is a soft pussy who needs to.be pampered. He really does play good against shit teams.

so much this

[midnightpulp]

KAwhi .617TS%
Butler .585TS%
Hayward .560TS%
Lebron .571TS%

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Low IQ faggot poster. :lmao

Are you fundamentally retarded? The fact he DOES have a higher percentage than those guys means he SHOULD be driving more than them.

So why isn't he? Because he picks his spots very, very carefully.

He rather jump in his time machine and go into the post like it's 2008.

So yeah, why can't he drive more.

[dabom]

He forgets that the Spurs offense isn't as conducive to dribble -> drive. Unlike Cleveland/Chicago/Utah, they actually move the ball around.

He clearly is a low IQ poster. Unlike you. :tu

[dabom]

Are you fundamentally retarded? The fact he DOES have a higher percentage than those guys means he SHOULD be driving more than them.

So why isn't he? Because he picks his spots very, very carefully.

He rather jump in his time machine and go into the post like it's 2008.

So yeah, why can't he drive more.

Uhh he plays with a ball dominant PG and stands in the corner how he is told to do most of the game. He makes tough shots on the regular faggot :lmao

[Nathan89]

On the bright side LMA didn't block any of Danny Green's 3pt shot tonight.

[dabom]

I can't take this guy serious really. Wants a super matt bonner on the floor for this supposed "spacing" Kawhi ain't getting. Not to talk about the defensive liability this type of player is. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

He forgets that the Spurs offense isn't as conducive to dribble -> drive. Unlike Cleveland/Chicago/Utah, they actually move the ball around.

That's great, except the Spurs average more drives per game than Cleveland and only about 1 less than Chicago (and they rank top 5 in assists off the drive).

:lol A team with Manu and Parker wouldn't have an offense that's conducive to dribble-drive. Manu pretty much creates everything off the dribble-drive for that Beautiful Game offense you all love so much.