Trade Deadline Watch

[TheGreatYacht]

Simmons and Mills will be tough to replace, that's for sure

[SAGirl]

As much as some of us wish they would, the Spurs will not make any deals before the deadline. They have two types of players: 1) players who are untouchable for a variety of reasons, and 2) players who are on such cheap contracts that they wouldn't net anybody in exchange who would move the needle this season.
That's exactly the situation, plus I will add the guys in small contracts are producing very well for their contracts. If you send them out unlikely you get even their equivalents just on chemistry, and understanding and oF Pops system. That still doesn't stop the idle chatter...

[palangi]

Pop has not played Bertans as a wing the entire season. He has his rookies to train for upcoming seasons and team building. It's just how it is. You promote 3 rooms in spots (Forbes unknown if he's even a rotation quality player and send out guys that are producing right now at very cheap prices anyways) your trade makes the team worse tbh.

This doesn't make Forbes a rotation player.

And the 3 you want to hang onto aren't really producing like you want to think. All 3 are replaceable. Thompson has shown more than KA and Simmons.

I know you want to hold on to KA but he isn't something that is make our break for us.

[sasaint]

Chinook, I tried to get your attention for this question. I haven't seen you involved in any extensive dialog, so I'll try again. Hope you can shed some light... Thanks.


Chinook, what are Manu's on-ball and off-ball 3-point percentages? I thought he was consciously making a transition to a spot-up 3-point shooter and he was doing so with success. I really thought he was becoming a Steve Kerr or Robert Horry for this team, and I was excited to see it. He still has games where he tries to be the young Manu, which really irritates me, but I guess your point is well taken: since the Spurs do not have a strong, reliable penetrator on the roster, they have to do it by committee. I sure wish Manu would just channel some Kerr/Horry and refrain from his "playmaking" efforts, but I am surprised that you indicated that he was not as effective shooting the 3 off the ball.

[sasaint]

That's exactly the situation, plus I will add the guys in small contracts are producing very well for their contracts. If you send them out unlikely you get even their equivalents just on chemistry, and understanding and oF Pops system. That still doesn't stop the idle chatter...

Yep, despite the fact that some of our "bargain" players do not produce like we would hope or like, they are still pretty productive and very inexpensive. Your points about chemistry and understanding the system are well taken, too. If the Spurs make any deals before the deadline, my wife will have to call EMS. :lol

[palangi]

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[Chinook]

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557), I tried to get your attention for this question. I haven't seen you involved in any extensive dialog, so I'll try again. Hope you can shed some light... Thanks.

I don't think this is a useful distinction. First, because on-ball and off-ball isn't really something that gets parsed out statistically. You can have assisted versus unassisted, but that isn't the same thing. Beyond that, you don't really get a percentage for assisted attempts, since by definition, every assisted attempt is a conversion.

I would assume, like everyone not named Jimmer Fredette, that Manu shoots better "off the ball" than he shoots "on it". But the second reason why he's not a useful distinction is that not all off-ball threes are created equal. Bowen's three came off the ball, and so do Korver's. But Bruce was much less dynamic, since he only shot from certain spots and wasn't really a guy who affected a defense with his movement around the perimeter. I don't think there's an easy way to get stats on this either, but I don't think Manu is very dynamic off the ball. I have watched some highlights recently and do see him scoring on some shallow cuts and screens, so he's not completely stationary. But he's not really putting pressure on the D with his shots or attempts.

If Manu is being aggressive with his shot, those will come up "on the ball". But for the most part, his threes are reactive. They come off someone doubling another player or overhelping. In that regard, what separates him from Tony, Pau or LMA is simply increased opportunities and willingness to shoot. On a given play, his role is not to force rotations by cutting across the formation while someone else does something. His role is usually to be that someone doing something.

I don't want him to be another Kerr or Horry. Those guys are from a different era. Their performances aren't nearly dynamic enough to work today. They'd have to play in a different way -- at least Kerr would. The game is just different. Manu as an off-ball player can't sit back and do that, because Bertans could come in and do it sooooo much better.

[sasaint]

I don't think this is a useful distinction. First, because on-ball and off-ball isn't really something that gets parsed out statistically. You can have assisted versus unassisted, but that isn't the same thing. Beyond that, you don't really get a percentage for assisted attempts, since by definition, every assisted attempt is a conversion.

I would assume, like everyone not named Jimmer Fredette, that Manu shoots better "off the ball" than he shoots "on it". But the second reason why he's not a useful distinction is that not all off-ball threes are created equal. Bowen's three came off the ball, and so do Korver's. But Bruce was much less dynamic, since he only shot from certain spots and wasn't really a guy who affected a defense with his movement around the perimeter. I don't think there's an easy way to get stats on this either, but I don't think Manu is very dynamic off the ball. I have watched some highlights recently and do see him scoring on some shallow cuts and screens, so he's not completely stationary. But he's not really putting pressure on the D with his shots or attempts.

If Manu is being aggressive with his shot, those will come up "on the ball". But for the most part, his threes are reactive. They come off someone doubling another player or overhelping. In that regard, what separates him from Tony, Pau or LMA is simply increased opportunities and willingness to shoot. On a given play, his role is not to force rotations by cutting across the formation while someone else does something. His role is usually to be that someone doing something.

I don't want him to be another Kerr or Horry. Those guys are from a different era. Their performances aren't nearly dynamic enough to work today. They'd have to play in a different way -- at least Kerr would. The game is just different. Manu as an off-ball player can't sit back and do that, because Bertans could come in and do it sooooo much better.

Thanks, Chinook, for replying. Personally, I would rather Manu spot-up than drive most of the time - actually all the time except those rare throw back games which, unfortunately, nobody can predict.

[cd021]

Simmons and Mills will be tough to replace, that's for sure

Mills leaving means that there is about 22mpg that need to be filled at PG, as Parker's continued to age and decline, he's taken on an increasingly bigger role.
Simmons is meh for me, I'd wish he was a better shooter but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen this season. I'd be fine with Mills-Murray-Anderson-Bertans-Dedmon bench, assuming we can keep Mills and Dedmon.

[Mr. Body]

Mills leaving means that there is about 22mpg that need to be filled at PG, as Parker's continued to age and decline, he's taken on an increasingly bigger role.
Simmons is meh for me, I'd wish he was a better shooter but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen this season. I'd be fine with Mills-Murray-Anderson-Bertans-Dedmon bench, assuming we can keep Mills and Dedmon.

I agree. Simmons is nice to have on a cheap contract, but he seems like Gary Neal with a different skill set.

[Mal]

Mills and Simmons are expandable, since they wont be here next year. And bench depth doesn`t really matter for playoffs, starters outside Kawhi need to step the fuck up. Not sure if they are worth anything. Maybe Philly would want Mills and give Spurs Covington, since he`ll get less playing time with Simmons ready to go, and they need guads

[spursistan]

The latest from Woj


A potential trade sending Jimmy Butler (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/butleji01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) from the Bulls to the Celtics will loom over deadline week, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical (Twitter link (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/status/833158455166902272)).In a video interview, Wojnarowski says the teams have discussed a deal involving Butler, but talks haven’t progressed very far. He adds that Chicago officials have to to fully commit to the rebuilding process before they would be willing to give up Butler.
Wojnarowski says the trade would involve one of the Nets’ first-rounders — but probably not both — that Boston owns in the next two drafts. If the Bulls get this year’s pick, Wojnarowski states they can find a replacement for Derrick Rose (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rosede01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), who was traded to the Knicks last summer. Washington’s Markelle Fultz and UCLA’s Lonzo Ballare point guards mentioned as likely choices at the top of the draft.
Teaming Butler with Isaiah Thomas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomais02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) and Al Horford (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horfoal01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) would give the Celtics enough firepower to challenge Cleveland for supremacy in the East, Wojnarowski states, not just this season but for years to come.
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Other highlights from the interview:



The Clippers and Thunder are both potential landing spots for Nuggets forward Wilson Chandler (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chandwi01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-). However, both teams are low on draft picks and may not have the assets that Denver would want in return.
The Thunder were trying to acquire Kings forward Rudy Gay (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gayru01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) before a season-ending Achilles injury (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/01/rudy-gay-suffers-torn-achilles.html).
The Wizards would like to add another wing player to their bench, with the Lakers‘ Lou Williams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willilo02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) and the Nets‘ Bojan Bogdanovic (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogdabo02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) as possibilities. Wojnarowski says Washington is willing to part with a draft pick to get veteran help.
The Suns have been shopping P.J. Tucker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tuckepj01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), Tyson Chandler (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chandty01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) and Brandon Knight (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/knighbr03.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), hoping to get picks or young players in return.
Chandler is one of several centers on the market, along with the Sixers‘ Jahlil Okafor (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), the Mavericks‘ Andrew Bogut (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogutan01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), the Bucks‘ Greg Monroe (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/monrogr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) and the Nets‘ Brook Lopez (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lopezbr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-). However, there is limited interest in back-to-the basket centers. Wojnarowski speculates that one or two of them may be traded this week, but cautions that there aren’t enough buyers for all of them to be moved.
Unless something changes, Carmelo Anthony (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) will remain with the Knicks. New York management hasn’t presented him with any deals that would tempt him to waive his no-trade clause. Most of the teams that were interested in dealing for Anthony are now “looking in other directions,” but Wojnarowski thinks the Clippers might revisit their attempt to land Anthony this summer.

[CGD]

Watch the butler trade happen, Wade opt out of his player option, and then Spurs foolishly sign him this summer.

[gambit1990]

i'll take butler. i'll give them tp (bulls are looking for a PG), two 1st round draft picks and one 2nd round draft pick.

[BatManu20]

i'll take butler. i'll give them tp (bulls are looking for a PG), two 1st round draft picks and one 2nd round draft pick.

Not sure if serious.

[TheDoctor]

i'll take butler. i'll give them tp (bulls are looking for a PG), two 1st round draft picks and one 2nd round draft pick.

I'll take CoJo instead tbh

[Gibbz]

Been through this before, but there seems to be a lot of smoke regarding a DeMarcus Cousins blockbuster. Woj saying NOP is in pursuit.

[CGD]

Been through this before, but there seems to be a lot of smoke regarding a DeMarcus Cousins blockbuster. Woj saying NOP is in pursuit.

I saw the NOLA rumor: Buddy Heild, two firsts, and salary match filler for Cousins. That seems like a weak haul for Sacto, but then again Vlade . . .

[ribcage6foot6]

I'll take CoJo instead tbh
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Wouldn't be the first time.

[sasaint]

Not sure if serious.

I think gambit1990 is serious. Unfortunately neither FO would consider it seriously.

[sasaint]

https://i.embed.ly/1/display/resize?key=1e6a1a1efdb011df84894040444cdc60&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitpic.com%2Fshow%2Flarge%2F5fx6 y5&width=810
Wouldn't be the first time.

:cry

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) 4m (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/833525675793473536) Sources: Divac delivered to owner Sunday what front office believes are two best Cousins trade proposals. Of course, @Vivek (https://twitter.com/Vivek/) has final say.

[DPG21920]

NBA Trade deadline!!!! Love it. Boogie about to be free of the shackles that are SAC. Go to WAS, BOS or TOR. That would be sick. Get another team in the East to the next level.

Him and AD would be pretty nasty though. That is scary as hell if they keep Jrue.

[Robz4000]

NBA Trade deadline!!!! Love it. Boogie about to be free of the shackles that are SAC. Go to WAS, BOS or TOR. That would be sick. Get another team in the East to the next level.

Him and AD would be pretty nasty though. That is scary as hell if they keep Jrue.

If that happens the Spurs might as well blow it up and spend the next few years building up Murray/Bertans while letting Kawhi stat-pad and chase individual honors.

[elemento]

Pretty sure Cousins ends up in Phoenix !

[spursistan]

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Just go East...I'll be seriously mad if Pelicans get him..

[DPG21920]

If that happens the Spurs might as well blow it up and spend the next few years building up Murray/Bertans while letting Kawhi stat-pad and chase individual honors.

Nah, even with 2 super stars, they aren't clear cut favorites or anything. AD on a monster deal, Boogie due for one too. Jrue as well. They are so far away adding Boogie (while losing multiple picks and some players probably) doesn't guarantee anything.

[DPG21920]

833523233089536000

Just go East...I'll be seriously mad if Pelicans get him..

Ya that tweet firmly takes SA out of the running it would seem. Spurs biggest bet would be SAC trying to get a star back (LMA) to try to not fully rebuild along with someone like Murray (young player) and pick(s).

The fact they just want to clear cap space and get young players + picks means the Spurs likely don't have the assets.

[Chinook]

Nah, even with 2 super stars, they aren't clear cut favorites or anything. AD on a monster deal, Boogie due for one too. Jrue as well. They are so far away adding Boogie (while losing multiple picks and some players probably) doesn't guarantee anything.

Would love for the to find a way to grab that eight-seed, though.

[DPG21920]

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[DPG21920]

Would love for the to find a way to grab that eight-seed, though.

Oh yea :lol. Bigs give GS trouble. Boogie/Cousins would definitley do the trick.

[Chinook]

Ya that tweet firmly takes SA out of the running it would seem. Spurs biggest bet would be SAC trying to get a star back (LMA) to try to not fully rebuild along with someone like Murray (young player) and pick(s).

The fact they just want to clear cap space and get young players + picks means the Spurs likely don't have the assets.

I mean, SA wasn't in the running, but it's not like they couldn't do a three-team deal. I'm sure teams would want LMA and be willing to offer quite a bit for him. If the Spurs wanted, they could redirect that along with some extra value of their own for Cousins. Wouldn't be surprised to see them having pretty similar values.

[DPG21920]

I mean, SA wasn't in the running, but it's not like they couldn't do a three-team deal. I'm sure teams would want LMA and be willing to offer quite a bit for him. If the Spurs wanted, they could redirect that along with some extra value of their own for Cousins. Wouldn't be surprised to see them having pretty similar values.

Maybe, but the Spurs don't have the picks and maybe the could route him elsewhere but Spurs don't have great picks or many intriguing young players outside of Bertans/Murray.

[spursistan]

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This is terrible; Kangs could do much better, but apparently the Celts are not interested ..

[DPG21920]

Dude - I mean are they that high on Buddy? When will they learn with these types (McLemore, etc..)? Spurs don't have the contracts to make anything work even though Murray =>Buddy (IMO). Picks are an issue too.

[DPG21920]

Also what a nightmare for SAC. They have literally gone on record saying they won't trade Boogie.

[Chinook]

Maybe, but the Spurs don't have the picks and maybe the could route him elsewhere but Spurs don't have great picks or many intriguing young players outside of Bertans/Murray.

Yeah, but I would think that a number of teams (like supposedly Boston) don't really want to touch Cousins and would be willing to offer the players/picks SAC desires.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zw5oze8

With picks from PHX and SA going to SAC, along with something from Minny. I wouldn't touch that shit with a 20-foot pole, but the Spurs take on "bad" money from SAC give them a lot of prospects in the deal. Unless there was a realistic chance someone like Lowry or Wall could sign with SA in 2018, I wouldn't be keen on making this move considering how close they are.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) 1m (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/833534571530579968) Sources: Kings, Lakers discussed parameters on Cousins deal in past 48 hours, but Sacramento ended talks in late afternoon. Pels are focus.

[DPG21920]

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:lmao Lakers

[spursistan]

Lakers :lmao
Poor man Tayshun Prince dealbreaker for Boogie :lmao

[DPG21920]

Yeah, but I would think that a number of teams (like supposedly Boston) don't really want to touch Cousins and would be willing to offer the players/picks SAC desires.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zw5oze8

With picks from PHX and SA going to SAC, along with something from Minny. I wouldn't touch that shit with a 20-foot pole, but the Spurs take on "bad" money from SAC give them a lot of prospects in the deal. Unless there was a realistic chance someone like Lowry or Wall could sign with SA in 2018, I wouldn't be keen on making this move considering how close they are.

I definitely see what you're saying - really meant to say it's hard to have the no picks and get Cousins (IMO). Definitely possible in your scenario but really complicated with that many teams (as you know).

It's tough with Murray because SA desperately needs a PG for the future and it looks like they have a potential starter. But it's Cousins and Kawhi/Cousins talent/age wise are a legit chance for a long term core.

[Chinook]

Cousins is getting so low-balled. Definitely seems like the Spurs could do LMA for him straight up, despite the talk about young players. If DMC wasn't such as POS, I'd be in favor. Would push for Gasol for Koufos and probably Bodganovic for Milutinov on top of that.

[DPG21920]

Cousins is getting so low-balled. Definitely seems like the Spurs could do LMA for him straight up, despite the talk about young players. If DMC wasn't such as POS, I'd be in favor. Would push for Gasol for Koufos and probably Bodganovic for Milutinov on top of that.

I was saying LMA + Murray for Cousins + Collison

[Chinook]

I definitely see what you're saying - really meant to say it's hard to have the no picks and get Cousins (IMO). Definitely possible in your scenario but really complicated with that many teams (as you know).

It's tough with Murray because SA desperately needs a PG for the future and it looks like they have a potential starter. But it's Cousins and Kawhi/Cousins talent/age wise are a legit chance for a long term core.

As I said, I'd much rather have LMA over any of these young bigs who are on the market (Okafor, Cousins, Drummond). I don't think they'd have to give up Murray or Bertans, actually (I think Phoenix could throw in a little more depending on what the picks are, so Ulis seems like a good fit or even Knight if they want to move him).

[Chinook]

I was saying LMA + Murray for Cousins + Collison

I wouldn't. Would rather Mills and a first (and would hate that). Collison is a pending FA. While he would be a great backup, as long as Patty isn't moved, he'd be mostly wasted.

[apalisoc_9]

Cousins is a headcase, but he seems like a guy that is just immature but not neccecarily a bad teamate.

Hopefully he joins kawhi in 2019

[DPG21920]

As I said, I'd much rather have LMA over any of these young bigs who are on the market (Okafor, Cousins, Drummond). I don't think they'd have to give up Murray or Bertans, actually (I think Phoenix could throw in a little more depending on what the picks are, so Ulis seems like a good fit or even Knight if they want to move him).

Ya - If rumors of Boston not being interested are true (they have all the assets necessary) you have to think that it's because they don't like Cousins (attitude). LMA is not Cousins in that regard.

But SA is a damn good team already and guys on reasonable contracts. Need a legit starting guard (if Murray isn't it, or even if he is) but that can be attained under the current setup.

[ace3g]

(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA)

Sacramento has agreed to trade DeMarcus Cousins to the New Orleans Pelicans, league source tells @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/).

[NASpurs]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA)

Sacramento has agreed to trade DeMarcus Cousins to the New Orleans Pelicans, league source tells @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/).



WOJ BOMB

[DPG21920]

If Cousins gets moved and isn't going to re-sign automatically (who knows - that is what his agent is saying in the moment), that would setup nicely for the following FA.

[NASpurs]

Now for the Pelicans to get that 8th seed.

[DPG21920]

This is going to be a steal for NO. They have no real assets IMO and Buddy is nothing special. The market for him had to be really bad (which is shocking, even with his mental issues).

Boogie/Cousins though :wow

[sasaint]

This is going to be a steal for NO. They have no real assets IMO and Buddy is nothing special. The market for him had to be really bad (which is shocking, even with his mental issues).

Boogie/Cousins though :wow

Why the "/" when you refer to "Boogie/Cousins"?

[Darius Bieber]

Twin Towers 2.0

[Nathan89]

That's a fucking steal. Wow.

[bklynspursfan]

This is going to be a steal for NO. They have no real assets IMO and Buddy is nothing special. The market for him had to be really bad (which is shocking, even with his mental issues).

Boogie/Cousins though :wow

8th seed is there for them to take...

I think I saw Boogie isn't signing an extension with whoever he gets traded for but def a no brainier for Pels to make that deal.

[NASpurs]

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[Chinook]

Keith Smith (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA)
(https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA)✔@KeithSmithNBA (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA)

Source: The Cousins trade will be Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans and the Pelicans next two first round picks.

Damn. NOP gonna be in cap hell. But I like the potential of Holiday, Moore, Hill, Davis, Cousins.

EDIT: HOLY FUCK STICKS THAT'S EVEN WORSE.

[spursistan]

Fuckin steal for NOLA, but would Boogie resign there?

[Nathan89]

Those two will be so dominant they could threaten anyone with some moderate amount of surrounding talent. That's absolutely sick.

[gambit1990]

good trade for the pelicans.

[NASpurs]

Wait, I just realized Tyreke Evans is going back to the Kings :lmao

[DPG21920]

I am absoultely floored that all it took was Buddy (plus expiring crap) and one first round pick (that might not even be lottery) for Boogie.

So many teams could have beaten that offer. Was Boogie that toxic?

[bklynspursfan]

Those two will be so dominant they could threaten anyone with some moderate amount of surrounding talent. That's absolutely sick.

Idk if Cousins plans to stay long term but he should consider it.

[Chinook]

So NO still has at least one pick available to deal.

Evans goes immediately to the buyout thread.

[BatManu20]

Wow that is highway robbery for Boogie. Holy shit

[Chinook]

Was Boogie that toxic?

Yes. I'm amazed that this is still a question. Dude is such a POS.

[BatManu20]

lol Danny Ainge had way more to offer. What a dumbass

[NASpurs]

So NO still has at least one pick available to deal.

Evans goes immediately to the buyout thread.

:wow Do it RC

[DPG21920]

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[NASpurs]

Parker killer Langston Galloway being waved :wow

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[DPG21920]

It is a worthwhile gamble for NO to pair him with AD. If they make the playoffs, that pick is valuable but not as much. They can recover losing Buddy. Even if Boogie leaves, it's not like they got fleeced.

Would be sick if Evans came to SA after a buyout.

[DPG21920]

Yes. I'm amazed that this is still a question. Dude is such a POS.

Dude - I mean, I get it, but he's top 5 talented

[NASpurs]

So which is it? Is Casspi going to NO as well?

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[spursistan]

Cousins cancerous-ness has to be quite something for him to be dealt for piddling package relative to his talent..Ridiculous..

Guess rival GMs and league insiders weren't bluffing when they were saying they wouldn't touch him with 10 foot pole..

[bklynspursfan]

It is a worthwhile gamble for NO to pair him with AD. If they make the playoffs, that pick is valuable but not as much. They can recover losing Buddy. Even if Boogie leaves, it's not like they got fleeced.

Would be sick if Evans came to SA after a buyout.

We'd have to make a cut since the Anthony deal right?

[timtonymanu]

Any chance Kings waive Evans and Spurs pick him up lol

[sasaint]

Yes. I'm amazed that this is still a question. Dude is such a POS.

Cousins and Bourbon Street - the perfect storm! :lol

[bklynspursfan]

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[Chinook]

NOP is probably going to be in a frenzy after the draft. They supposedly will have all of their pick obligations done by then, so they will be able to add some to get rid of salary. With Cousins salary-controlled and Jrue with a smallish hold, I could see them being an interesting free-agent destination if they can get some room.

[DPG21920]

We'd have to make a cut since the Anthony deal right?

Ya - but that would be no issue.

[Nathan89]

Spurs are fortunate that Pelicans won't be the 7th seed tbh

[DPG21920]

NOP is probably going to be in a frenzy after the draft. They supposedly will have all of their pick obligations done by then, so they will be able to add some to get rid of salary. With Cousins salary-controlled and Jrue with a smallish hold, I could see them being an interesting free-agent destination if they can get some room.

They better get it right then though :lol. If they get to Keep Cousins and Jrue they will only have next year to do so with building that team before it's cap hell.

[sasaint]

Any chance Kings waive Evans and Spurs pick him up lol

Does Rudy Gay still take up a roster spot? If so, wouldn't the Kings need to drop 2 players?

If Omri is part of the trade, then never mind.

[Mnky]

Boogies agent has already told people it is very unlikely he resigns with team who trades for him. That is the biggest reason no one would bet on it.
They gave up their lottery pick in buddy, who could still develop into one of the premier scorers in the league. It's a huge risk in my opinion.

If cousins is happy then it works out, but he's an unrestricted free agent. Losing your lottery pick, who some thought was the best developmental piece in the draft, plus two more picks and a couple role pieces is a big swing at something you might not have anything to show at the end of his contract. That wouldn't help keep Davis either if cousins bounces. They could end up losing his interest in NO if they go full rebuild after that.

Big risk in my opinion, not a steal.
I believe cousins will talk to teams and the spurs will be one of them with kawhi recruiting.
I mentioned before, kawhi is one of the few people I've always heard cousins talk positive about and they sat and joked together at the all star game all night. If they actually do get along I don't see why it wouldn't work as far as personal wise.
It'll be an interesting off season.

[Nathan89]

Any chance Kings waive Evans and Spurs pick him up lol

Any decent piece that isn't in their long term plans may as well be dropped. They should've initiated a tank long ago if this was their plan.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Warriors if they end up meeting NO in the first round

https://m.popkey.co/53e122/Xgqde.gif

[spursistan]

Give me det Pelicans/Warriors 1st round :wow

Suddenly the 2nd seed bracket looks even more enticing..

[Chinook]

Boogies agent has already told people it is very unlikely he resigns with team who trades for him. That is the biggest reason no one would bet on it.
They gave up their lottery pick in buddy, who could still develop into one of the premier scorers in the league. It's a huge risk in my opinion.

If cousins is happy then it works out, but he's an unrestricted free agent. Losing your lottery pick, who some thought was the best developmental piece in the draft, plus two more picks and a couple role pieces is a big swing at something you might not have anything to show at the end of his contract. That wouldn't help keep Davis either if cousins bounces. They could end up losing his interest in NO if they go full rebuild after that.

Big risk in my opinion, not a steal.
I believe cousins will talk to teams and the spurs will be one of them with kawhi recruiting.
I mentioned before, kawhi is one of the few people I've always heard cousins talk positive about and they sat and joked together at the all star game all night. If they actually do get along I don't see why it wouldn't work as far as personal wise.
It'll be an interesting off season.

Huge steal. Cousins has another year left on his deal after this. While I think he could walk, it doesn't seem likely. Even he has to love where he landed, all things considered.

It's gonna be crazy if NOP manages to swing a trade for Wall next year.

[DPG21920]

Some reports of NO giving up 2019 first round pick as well.

[Leetonidas]

We haven't seen a big man pairing this talented since Tim/David. Absolutely nuts

[NASpurs]

We haven't seen a big man pairing this talented since Tim/David. Absolutely nuts


If those two tear it up, it'll probably force teams to go big once again instead of running D'Antoni ball.

[DPG21920]

Boogies agent has already told people it is very unlikely he resigns with team who trades for him. That is the biggest reason no one would bet on it.
They gave up their lottery pick in buddy, who could still develop into one of the premier scorers in the league. It's a huge risk in my opinion.

If cousins is happy then it works out, but he's an unrestricted free agent. Losing your lottery pick, who some thought was the best developmental piece in the draft, plus two more picks and a couple role pieces is a big swing at something you might not have anything to show at the end of his contract. That wouldn't help keep Davis either if cousins bounces. They could end up losing his interest in NO if they go full rebuild after that.

Big risk in my opinion, not a steal.
I believe cousins will talk to teams and the spurs will be one of them with kawhi recruiting.
I mentioned before, kawhi is one of the few people I've always heard cousins talk positive about and they sat and joked together at the all star game all night. If they actually do get along I don't see why it wouldn't work as far as personal wise.
It'll be an interesting off season.

It's a risk, but it's pretty minimal IMO. Buddy, while some people like him, doesn't seem to have near the ceiling that people thought. The pick is a decent deal, but if they make the playoffs statistically it's not a crazy pick to give up.

It's a gamble for sure, but even if he walks, it was a worthwhile swing imo.

[sasaint]

Boogies agent has already told people it is very unlikely he resigns with team who trades for him. That is the biggest reason no one would bet on it.
They gave up their lottery pick in buddy, who could still develop into one of the premier scorers in the league. It's a huge risk in my opinion.

If cousins is happy then it works out, but he's an unrestricted free agent. Losing your lottery pick, who some thought was the best developmental piece in the draft, plus two more picks and a couple role pieces is a big swing at something you might not have anything to show at the end of his contract. That wouldn't help keep Davis either if cousins bounces. They could end up losing his interest in NO if they go full rebuild after that.

Big risk in my opinion, not a steal.
I believe cousins will talk to teams and the spurs will be one of them with kawhi recruiting.
I mentioned before, kawhi is one of the few people I've always heard cousins talk positive about and they sat and joked together at the all star game all night. If they actually do get along I don't see why it wouldn't work as far as personal wise.
It'll be an interesting off season.

Talent-wise this looks like a good move for the Pelicans, but package-wise, big-picture-wise I think Sacramento did pretty well. It will be very interesting to see how things proceed in Sactown with the toxicity removed.

[Nathan89]

Give me det Pelicans/Warriors 1st round :wow

Suddenly the 2nd seed bracket looks even more enticing..

Yeah, especially for the Spurs.

[LakerHater]

For Heild, Evans, Galloway & 2 pix!

[spursistan]

Give me det Pelicans/Warriors 1st round :wow..

Suddenly the 2nd seed bracket looks even more enticing..

Warriors/Pels + LAC/Jazz >> SAS/OKC + HOU/MEM easily..

[Mnky]

Huge steal. Cousins has another year left on his deal after this. While I think he could walk, it doesn't seem likely. Even he has to love where he landed, all things considered.

It's gonna be crazy if NOP manages to swing a trade for Wall next year.

After being traded, he definitely tests the market. The question is whether NO can offer a better place for him than anyone else at that time. In the mean time, your record will be better, which means worse draft position with whatever you're left with(2ND?) And you won't be competing for a championship. You just put your entire franchise at risk on a gamble that you can convince him to stay, and you have one full season to do it.
Their cap is going to be hard to play with. Really depends on what supporting cast they can offer while being of interest to possibly one more big name.

Unless you're in contention, which they're not, I can't see this as a steal at all. High risk high reward. If it works out, it'll be gold, but there are a ton of IFs involved.

[TheGreatYacht]

Everyone getting steals, meanwhile......

http://speakerdata2.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/image/818735/442889022.jpg

[elemento]

Such a crap offer

The kings owner is a moron

[sasaint]

After being traded, he definitely tests the market. The question is whether NO can offer a better place for him than anyone else at that time. In the mean time, your record will be better, which means worse draft position with whatever you're left with(2ND?) And you won't be competing for a championship. You just put your entire franchise at risk on a gamble that you can convince him to stay, and you have one full season to do it.
Their cap is going to be hard to play with. Really depends on what supporting cast they can offer while being of interest to possibly one more big name.

Unless you're in contention, which they're not, I can't see this as a steal at all. High risk high reward. If it works out, it'll be gold, but there are a ton of IFs involved.

A year for Boogie to polish his image in a new environment and then cash in on next contract.

[Mnky]

It's a risk, but it's pretty minimal IMO. Buddy, while some people like him, doesn't seem to have near the ceiling that people thought. The pick is a decent deal, but if they make the playoffs statistically it's not a crazy pick to give up.

It's a gamble for sure, but even if he walks, it was a worthwhile swing imo.

Might as well swing for the fences, I agree, if you're trying something desperate. The reward could be huge. Time will tell. They'll definitely be a fun team to watch though, which helps the NBA too. Warriors pelicans would put some excitement into the first round.

[Chinook]

After being traded, he definitely tests the market. The question is whether NO can offer a better place for him than anyone else at that time. In the mean time, your record will be better, which means worse draft position with whatever you're left with(2ND?) And you won't be competing for a championship. You just put your entire franchise at risk on a gamble that you can convince him to stay, and you have one full season to do it.
Their cap is going to be hard to play with. Really depends on what supporting cast they can offer while being of interest to possibly one more big name.

Unless you're in contention, which they're not, I can't see this as a steal at all. High risk high reward. If it works out, it'll be gold, but there are a ton of IFs involved.

Huge-ass steal. Of course he tests the market unless they amend the CBA to let traded teams offer the Durant-max, which they should because it's stupid that they don't. There isn't a gamble. Hield may or may not be a bust. But the chances that his going to be a great player are really low. They don't need to worry about their picks this year, and after that, they have all their own picks again.

They have huge upside if he stays and little downside if he leaves. For a team that can't seem to do anything right with picks or cap space most of the time, this was a huge, huge steal.

I can see that, and I don't like Cousins one bit. Hell, they could probably get even more back this summer if they wanted to trade him.

[DPG21920]

Maybe this opens the door for this:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zbptt25 SA sends protected 2nd round pick.

[NASpurs]

Everyone getting steals, meanwhile......

http://speakerdata2.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/image/818735/442889022.jpg

Easiest job in the world, work in the summer, scratch your balls throughout the season and then check the waiver list during buyouts. This nigga is probably passed out in Poop's wine collection as we speak.

[Chinook]

Maybe this opens the door for this:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zbptt25 SA sends protected 2nd round pick.

I'd rather just cut Anthony. They don't need to send Forbes out to make the numbers work. But again, I'm not bringing in a PG unless Mills is part of a package for something else.

[Mnky]

Huge-ass steal. Of course he tests the market unless they amend the CBA to let traded teams offer the Durant-max, which they should because it's stupid that they don't. There isn't a gamble. Hield may or may not be a bust. But the chances that his going to be a great player are really low. They don't need to worry about their picks this year, and after that, they have all their own picks again.

They have huge upside if he stays and little downside if he leaves. For a team that can't seem to do anything right with picks or cap space most of the time, this was a huge, huge steal.

I can see that, and I don't like Cousins one bit. Hell, they could probably get even more back this summer if they wanted to trade him.

A gamble is when you don't know the outcome and are betting in one way or the other, so this would be exactly that. A gamble.

They're losing what could be 3 years of first round picks including a lottery pick, if he leaves.

They are losing a bunch, especially at a point in time where they are not close to contention, and need cheap pieces to play big to help their stars. If he leaves, and you wasted 2-3 years of davis prime plus shipped off your future, that is huge downside.

[Nathan89]

This sets LMA's value at top 55 protected tbh

[DPG21920]

I'd rather just cut Anthony. They don't need to send Forbes out to make the numbers work. But again, I'm not bringing in a PG unless Mills is part of a package for something else.

Mills is a shooter/SG, not a PG though IMO. Different roles.

[DPG21920]

I'd rather just cut Anthony. They don't need to send Forbes out to make the numbers work. But again, I'm not bringing in a PG unless Mills is part of a package for something else.

True, forgot they didn't have to send out money for that. Ya, cutting Anthony way better.

[Chinook]

Mills is a shooter/SG, not a PG though IMO. Different roles.

I agree in the sense that their roles are different. I don't agree in sense that Lawson and Mills can be a legit backcourt.

[DPG21920]

I agree in the sense that their roles are different. I don't agree in sense that Lawson and Mills can be a legit backcourt.

Manu insurance/TP insurance.

[TheGreatYacht]

http://speakerdata2.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/image/818735/442889022.jpg
"You wanted a groundbreaking trade, here you go"

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zg4u937

[NASpurs]

Pelicans were just dangling crap out to see who bit. Pimps :smokin


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[Chinook]

They're losing what could be 3 years of first round picks including a lottery pick, if he leaves.


They are giving up this first and a second. Where the hell are you getting three years from?

At worst, they are giving up Hield, a late-lotto pick and a pick in the high-30s. For a year-and-a-half of a star with a first crack at paying him more than any other team can, that's a great deal.

They certainly haven't wasted a second of Davis' prime with this deal. It's pretty clear that this is the most hope NOP has had since CP3 was there.

[DPG21920]

I wonder if this was a domino that everyone was waiting for and now things pick up? Been pretty quite trade activity this year.

[TheGreatYacht]

1m 39s ago
@wojtek: Spurs send 2017 2nd round pick to Atlanta for the rights to 33yr old Donitausik Ajnemkoporin

[Chinook]

Manu insurance/TP insurance.

He's not Manu insurance. He's way too small.

[DPG21920]

And they got Casspi which is a nice actual piece too

[Robz4000]

Just unreal that the Spurs wouldn't try to beat that. At least the Pelicans shouldn't be able to climb to the 7th seed, so this is much scarier for the Dubs this season.

[DPG21920]

He's not Manu insurance. He's way too small.

Just in terms of ball handling/creating which Mills cannot do

[spursistan]

833545061509980160

He is talented as hell, but he was also THE constant in the above mediocrity..League insiders know exactly the extent of his toxicity and how it affected the ultimate goal of winning; hence the low-balls ..

[sasaint]

I wonder if this was a domino that everyone was waiting for and now things pick up? Been pretty quite trade activity this year.

It's slow every year until the 11th hour. But, I do think this may have been a big domino.

[ace3g]

Chris Haynes ChrisBHaynes
(https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes) 3m (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/833548464407588864) New Orleans now seeking trade partner for forward Terrence Jones, league sources tell ESPN. Mutual decision on behalf of team, Jones' camp.

[gospursgojas]

Chris Haynes ChrisBHaynes
(https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes) 3m (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/833548464407588864) New Orleans now seeking trade partner for forward Terrence Jones, league sources tell ESPN. Mutual decision on behalf of team, Jones' camp.




Always like TJ

[Chinook]

I'd love to pick up Jones, but he'd get even fewer minutes than he would in NO. With a one-year min, literally any team could trade for him. Who needs a PF?

[Chinook]

Just in terms of ball handling/creating which Mills cannot do

But who's he going to play next to? I'd rather run what they already have than do Lawson/Mills.

[sasaint]

Always like TJ

Me, too, but I don't see the need... unfortunately.

[NASpurs]

I wanted him in the offseason but not now. That ship has sailed and the frontline is pretty much stacked.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'd love to pick up Jones, but he'd get even fewer minutes than he would in NO. With a one-year min, literally any team could trade for him. Who needs a PF?
Boston.

[Robz4000]

I'd love to pick up Jones, but he'd get even fewer minutes than he would in NO. With a one-year min, literally any team could trade for him. Who needs a PF?

Dubs could use him tbh. Less wear and tear for Durant at the 4 and it cuts West out of the rotation altogether.

[Keepin' it real]

Always like TJ

https://media.giphy.com/media/3dUJmsU6z4xtC/giphy.gif

[MaNu4Tres]

Lawson has been done for years now.

I rather roll with Murray instead of trade for Lawson.

[spursistan]

833544230467313664

[DPG21920]

But who's he going to play next to? I'd rather run what they already have than do Lawson/Mills.

Well unfortunately IMO the actual skill of initiating offense is more important than size at this point since beggars can't be choosers.

Meaning I would rather have Ty's skillset (in the event of either TP/Manu getting hurt) than Simmons due to size. Maybe if you think Murray is best then I can see that, but to me that is not a given this year.

[ElNono]

1m 39s ago
@wojtek: Spurs send 2017 2nd round pick to Atlanta for the rights to 33yr old Donitausik Ajnemkoporin

31s ago
@wojtek: Spurs plan to stash Ajnemkoporin in Europe for a couple of seasons

[Mnky]

They are giving up this first and a second. Where the hell are you getting three years from?

At worst, they are giving up Hield, a late-lotto pick and a pick in the high-30s. For a year-and-a-half of a star with a first crack at paying him more than any other team can, that's a great deal.

They certainly haven't wasted a second of Davis' prime with this deal. It's pretty clear that this is the most hope NOP has had since CP3 was there.

Buddy is one, they sent a 1St and some people are reporting another first. Buddy is still a lottery rookie with plenty of room to grow.

2 1St alone still merits the same points.

Like I said, "if" it works out its a good deal for them. If he leaves, it means the trade was for nothing and they mortgaged their future.

It's really not a difficult concept. If he walks, it's a bad deal. No ifs about that part.

Right now, his agent is set on testing the market so it's definitely a risky move.

[NASpurs]

The moment that Boogie found out that he was traded :lol

https://streamable.com/yfu6y

833546633715576835

[Mnky]

31s ago
@wojtek: Spurs plan to stash Ajnemkoporin in Europe for a couple of seasons

Is there any notable reason for this move yet?

[DPG21920]

Lawson has been done for years now.

I rather roll with Murray instead of trade for Lawson.

Lawson hasn't been great, and sample size is small with Murray, but Ty has graded out better this year than Murray.

[Mnky]

The moment that Boogie found out that he was traded :lol

https://streamable.com/yfu6y

833546633715576835

That's awesome. :lol

[DPG21920]

The moment that Boogie found out that he was traded :lol

https://streamable.com/yfu6y

833546633715576835

:lol that is great.

[MaNu4Tres]

Lawson hasn't been great, and sample size is small with Murray, but Ty has graded out better this year than Murray.

Graded out by who?

Lawson would be a Damon Stoudamire type of pick up (when Spurs signed him late in 2008). Unnecessary inefficient O and playmaking, terrible D.

Murray > Lawson. Trading for a 4th PG is the last thing they need, imo. Would rather roll with Murray and keep Forbes' cheap deal.

[DPG21920]

Graded out by who?

Lawson would be a Damon Stoudamire type of pick up (when Spurs signed him late in 2008). Unnecessary inefficient O and playmaking, terrible D.

Murray > Lawson. Trading for a 4th PG is the last thing they need, imo. Would rather roll with Murray and keep Forbes' cheap deal.

By pretty much all advanced metrics..

[DPG21920]

Graded out by who?

Lawson would be a Damon Stoudamire type of pick up (when Spurs signed him late in 2008). Unnecessary inefficient O and playmaking, terrible D.

Murray > Lawson. Trading for a 4th PG is the last thing they need, imo. Would rather roll with Murray and keep Forbes' cheap deal.

Spurs need guard help period. With how TP/Manu have played overall and potential for injury they need guard depth. Ty is super cheap so that is not an issue.

I'm looking for low cost moves that provide nba level ball-handling.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs need guard help period. With how TP/Manu have played overall and potential for injury they need guard depth. Ty is super cheap so that is not an issue.

I'm looking for low cost moves that provide nba level ball-handling.

When it matters, TY would never play. So whats the point?

He wouldn't play over Tony, wouldn't play over Mills and wouldn't play over Manu or Simmons. I wouldn't trade Forbes for a mop up duty 2 month rental/another Andre Miller.

[DPG21920]

When it matters, TY would never play. So whats the point? You really think he'd play over Manu? I disagree. I wouldn't trade Forbes for a mop up duty 2 month rental/another Andre Miller.

Like Chinook said, you would not have to trade Forbes. His salary is so low you could cut Anthony and just trade a protected 2nd round pick for him.

[MaNu4Tres]

Like Chinook said, you would not have to trade Forbes. His salary is so low you could cut Anthony and just trade a protected 2nd round pick for him.

He wouldn't ever play though when it matters. Just because he's a good ball handler doesn't make him a net positive over Patty, Manu, Simmons, Green, Murray. Yes, Spurs could use more ball handling, but there's more to the game to consider the addition to the rotation.imo

[dabom]

The moment that Boogie found out that he was traded :lol

https://streamable.com/yfu6y

833546633715576835

:lmao

That is amazing. :lol

[Darius Bieber]

Okay this shit makes you wonder. Pelicans traded basically trash for the best center in the league. Why can't our front office negotiate like that?

[Gagnrath]

I don't fear that team this year but Those two make a pretty awesome interior line-up

[spursistan]

833557568899264512

Kings got fleeced..:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Okay this shit makes you wonder. Pelicans traded basically trash for the best center in the league. Why can't our front office negotiate like that?
:lol that would require a sober non-lazy GM

[DPG21920]

Okay this shit makes you wonder. Pelicans traded basically trash for the best center in the league. Why can't our front office negotiate like that?

The question is why can no other team in the league negotiate like the Pelicans. It was not just the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

So SAC is overloaded with guards with no upside now (albeit on short cheap deals) but you have to wonder if this is a clean house move (so Barnes next to be traded because of his issues, Ty Lawson's past, etc..)?

They are about to see what they have in Cauley-Stein too.

[TimDunkem]

Okay this shit makes you wonder. Pelicans traded basically trash for the best center in the league. Why can't our front office negotiate like that?We have Parker and Manu. Why upgrade? :smokin

[gambit1990]

Lawson has been done for years now.

I rather roll with Murray instead of trade for Lawson.

[spursistan]

833552625840844801

Could witness more fireworks..I have sneaky feeling Butler to Boston will happen..Celtics' window is now..

[spursistan]

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[DPG21920]

Kings are like the person in your fantasy league that ignores all your good trade offers then does an awful trade near the playoffs with their friend that doesn't make sense.

[SPURt]

The moment that Boogie found out that he was traded :lol

https://streamable.com/yfu6y

833546633715576835
Wow, if you're a Pels fan you gotta like the reaction. I know everyone says boogie is the problem but Vivek is the worst owner in a league with Dolan. Boogie/AD are gonna murder together. Boogie is gonna go full Zach Randolph. Divac's career is ending before it started.

[HarlemHeat37]

Cousins and Isaiah Thomas have a bad history, so that probably wasn't ever going to happen..

Good move by Vlade to avoid Brandon Knight, one of the most cancerous players in the league, at the moment..

Hennigan's crazy for not wanting to move Vucevic and Fournier, though:lol

Still, terrible trade and package, but I understand why Sacramento moved him..Hield is a mediocre prospect who has looked horrible in his rookie year, but he's still relatively young, I guess..Vince Carter trade all over again..

No-brainer for New Orleans..they won't be great this season, but it sets them up for next year..they didn't lose anything of value, and it also shows Anthony Davis that they're serious about winning, which is something they needed to do, since they've already wasted some of his great years..

[HarlemHeat37]

And :lmao at anybody who thinks Pop would ever coach Cousins in an NBA setting..seriously..

[spursistan]

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[DPG21920]

From what I have read, the logic (agree with it or not) is that SAC was hot for Buddy during the draft and nothing they have seen has cooled them.

They view him as a top 10 pick still and if NO misses the playoffs they likely get another top 10 pick. That is why they went with NO deal (because they love Buddy which to me is hilarious).

[HarlemHeat37]

Wouldn't mind Matt Barnes as the 4th wing, tbh..he's friends with Kawhi, too IIRC..

[Hoops Czar]

From what I have read, the logic (agree with it or not) is that SAC was hot for Buddy during the draft and nothing they have seen has cooled them.

They view him as a top 10 pick still and if NO misses the playoffs they likely get another top 10 pick. That is why they went with NO deal (because they love Buddy which to me is hilarious).

I'm guessing NO has some sort of protection clause if they miss the playoffs.

[HarlemHeat37]

From what I have read, the logic (agree with it or not) is that SAC was hot for Buddy during the draft and nothing they have seen has cooled them.

They view him as a top 10 pick still and if NO misses the playoffs they likely get another top 10 pick. That is why they went with NO deal (because they love Buddy which to me is hilarious).

I kind of get it..they were in a tough spot, since they could have gotten more value for Cousins earlier in the season, but they tried to make it work..the roster they put around him didn't help matters, though:lol

I don't want college ball, so I don't know much about any of them until they reach the pros..Buddy Hield has been really, really, really bad in the NBA, so far..

[DPG21920]

With Barnes constant off court issues you would have to imagine he's gone too. They better clean house if they traded Cousins or else it makes no sense.

Plus you know Barnes going to run wild there - he and Boogie were like Freddy and Jason :lol

[dabom]

Didn't the Kings draft Jimmy? :lmao

[DPG21920]

I kind of get it..they were in a tough spot, since they could have gotten more value for Cousins earlier in the season, but they tried to make it work..the roster they put around him didn't help matters, though:lol

I don't want college ball, so I don't know much about any of them until they reach the pros..Buddy Hield has been really, really, really bad in the NBA, so far..

Ya - I'm not impressed at all with him. He can be ok I think but he doesn't appear to have that high of a ceiling (but it's early).

[DPG21920]

I'm guessing NO has some sort of protection clause if they miss the playoffs.

Pick is only top 3 protected.

[spursistan]

Wonder if the Kings would have done Drummond + Stanley Johnson for Boogie swap....

[DPG21920]

Wonder if the Kings would have done Drummond + Stanley Johnson for Boogie swap....

They said no to Drummond.

[HarlemHeat37]

Didn't the Kings draft Jimmy? :lmao

Their last 5 lottery picks have been Cauley-Stein, Stauskas, McLemore, Jimmer(through trade) and Thomas Robinson:lol horrible..

You wouldn't find many stretches in NBA history that rival that level of ineptitude in the draft..

[rasuo214]

The Kings FO is obsessed with these 3pt shooting college stars. Hield, Jimmer, McLemore.

[HarlemHeat37]

Another great Sam Hinkie move that Colangelo will get the credit for once it pays off, tbh:lol

IIRC, Hinkie traded cap room for what could potentially become 2 top 5 picks in the next 3 years..

[spursistan]

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It is that time of the year..

[HarlemHeat37]

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[spursistan]

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The Kings organisation is dumpster fire, but this nigga is a perturbed cancer, plain and simple..

[Robz4000]

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The Kings organisation is dumpster fire, but this nigga is a perturbed cancer, plain and simple..

AD and Holiday will be the best players he's ever played alongside by a large margin. Let's wait and see how this works out first tbh.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Kings are idiots, they must have been lowballed badly to go for this shit package. I can understand not wishing to commit over $200 mil on him but they couldn't even wait for the deadline for some dominos to fall and a desperate team to throw more at them?

The happiest team in this trade is probably Philadelphia, not the Pelicans :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

now it makes more sense why the kings drafted two bigs in the draft last year after paying koufus and taking cauley stein the year before while having cousins. theyve been planning this shit but fuck what a horrible return :lol

[cjw]

Their last 5 lottery picks have been Cauley-Stein, Stauskas, McLemore, Jimmer(through trade) and Thomas Robinson:lol horrible..

You wouldn't find many stretches in NBA history that rival that level of ineptitude in the draft..

Don't forget drafting Isaiah Thomas last in the first round and running him out of town (or was it Cousins who did that?). Got nothing for him as a RFA other than a trade exception. Then PHX is at least able to turn him into a first rounder to Boston.

[Fireball]

wish Boogie's ass was traded East ... cannot stand him and would have preferred the Spurs to play him only twice a season

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol Spurs might never beat the Pelicans ever again....

[szkorhetz]

Just watch when AD will want to run from NO. Then we make our move. :stirpot:

[cutewizard]

Just watch when AD will want to run from NO. Then we make our move. :stirpot:


:bobo

[RD2191]

Wow, and Kawhi is stuck with latrashcan. SMH.

[TheGreatYacht]

Wow, and Kawhi is stuck with latrashcan. SMH.
???

He has Danny Green and Patty Mills too

[99 Problems]

Yer if Boogie can't get Wall on board they get Millsy and they win 10 LO'B in a row.

[CGD]

I don't hate it for Sacto holistically. They clearly want to move on from a toxic situation, will likely have Two lottery picks (theirs and NOLA) in a deep draft, and a lottery pick from last year that THEY love, and shead some salary next year.

I hope this is a big F You to Ainge if the Cs actually wanted him, but were trying to play hard ball with Sacto.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lmao Danny Ainge not doing trades unless he completely rips teams off, only to keep his draft picks and draft bums

[cutewizard]

Now, the best thing to happen is that the Pelicans get their act together, and give the Warriors hell in the first round

Clippers destroy Warriors in the second round

and, of course, Pau Gasol visits the Finals once more.......!!!!

Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

(We have like, 3 Finals MVP-level players in Kawhi, Pau and Manu, hahahaha)

[TimDunkem]

Now, the best thing to happen is that the Pelicans get their act together, and give the Warriors hell in the first round

Clippers destroy Warriors in the second round

and, of course, Pau Gasol visits the Finals once more.......!!!!

Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

(We have like, 3 Finals MVP-level players in Kawhi, Pau and Manu, hahahaha)Dream on.

[coachmac87]

Just a hunch...

Celtics will get Jimmy Butler
Wade gets bought out and signs with Cavs
Melo goes to Clippers...

[RD2191]

???

He has Danny Green and Patty Mills too

Chinook, is that you?

[TheGreatYacht]

Chinook, is that you?
:lmao

[ECOV]

Dream on.We Will :bobo

[spursistan]

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The Centerpiece :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Kings making Darren Collison, Mclemore, and Afflalo available

your boy Kawhitstorm

[CGD]

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The Centerpiece :lol

So again, if you include their own pick, in their minds, they have 3 lotto picks to sell to the fan base for dumping Cousins

[DPG21920]

:lol Owners that know nothing about basketball being in love with players

[spursistan]

:lol Owners that know nothing about basketball being in love with players
The Suns offered TJ Warren, Len and this year's 1st round pick, and the deal would have probably be sweetened more if Vivek didn't this man crush on Hield.. ..Quite a heist :lol..

[ECOV]

Kings making Darren Collison, Mclemore, and Afflalo available

your boy Kawhitstorm (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49655) bryn forbes + 2nd round pick for Afflalo

[look_at_g_shred]

Kings making Darren Collison, Mclemore, and Afflalo available

your boy Kawhitstorm (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49655)
Afflalo...gross

[dbestpro]

Smart move if you want to make Sacramento as bad as possible so there is less of a fight when you move the team to Seattle.

[spursistan]

Kings making Darren Collison, Mclemore, and Afflalo available

your boy Kawhitstorm (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49655)

Whatever happened to that dude :lol he hasn't logged on here since the "Deceptive" message..someone tell him you could bypass that shit..the other day on twitter I saw a conversation where someone heavily uses "Softridge" for Millsap in trade scenario and other nicknames like "Cripples".. it same the style of Kiwistorm if you check his timeline..I don't have an account, tbh, but I lurk there....

https://twitter.com/NoTweet14 (https://twitter.com/NoTweet14)

[TheGreatYacht]

Whatever happened to that dude :lol he hasn't logged on here since the "Deceptive" message..someone tell him you could bypass that shit..the other day on twitter I saw a conversation where someone heavily uses "Softridge" for Millsap in trade scenario and other nicknames like "Cripples".. it same the style of Kiwistorm if you check his timeline..I don't have an account, tbh, but I lurk there....

https://twitter.com/NoTweet14 (https://twitter.com/NoTweet14)
:lol does he have a Clippers/NWA avi? If so then that's definitely him. He told us his twitter awhile back when he was arguing with Zach Lowe

edit: yea that's him lmao

[szkorhetz]

Kings making Darren Collison, Mclemore, and Afflalo available

your boy Kawhitstorm (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49655)
I would take a chance on Mclemore, TBH.

[CGD]

I would take a chance on Mclemore, TBH.

Same

[spursistan]

:lol does he have a Clippers/NWA avi? If so then that's definitely him. He told us his twitter awhile back when he was arguing with Zach Lowe

edit: yea that's him lmao

Yeah, so that's indeed him..someone with an account tip him off..For traffic purposes, this dying forum desperately needs more trade proposals for other teams TOSBs and unheralded scrubs ..:lol

[GSH]

:lol Owners that know nothing about basketball being in love with players


So why does it have to have anything to do with basketball? Can't he just love whoever he wants to love?

[TheGreatYacht]

Yeah, so that's indeed him..someone with an account tip him off..For traffic purposes, this dying forum desperately needs more trade proposals for other teams TOSBs and unheralded scrubs ..:lol
:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Kings making Darren Collison, Mclemore, and Afflalo available

your boy Kawhitstorm

He hasnt posted since deceptive site :lol

[GSH]

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The Centerpiece :lol



Did anybody hear the comment at the beginning of the Rising Stars Challenge, that Mike Brown told his players that he wanted Buddy Hield to be the MVP? If they had fed Jokic like they did Hield, and given him the minutes they did Hield, it wouldn't have been close.

Be interesting to see where Brown is coaching next season.

[Spurs9]

Told you guys we could have got Cousins in some sort of trade. Could have got rid of Anderson in a trade with Vevek tbh :lol

[gambit1990]

get the deadline over with. other teams will try to improve... while the spurs will keep parker :rolleyes

[DocDoc]

Okay this shit makes you wonder. Pelicans traded basically trash for the best center in the league. Why can't our front office negotiate like that?

you mean best center in the league to never make the playoffs?

With only one more year on his contract?

And a headcase?

[spursistan]

Their last 5 lottery picks have been Cauley-Stein, Stauskas, McLemore, Jimmer(through trade) and Thomas Robinson:lol horrible..

You wouldn't find many stretches in NBA history that rival that level of ineptitude in the draft..
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bingo :lol

[spursistan]

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[elemento]

:lol Owners that know nothing about basketball being in love with players

Remember that it's the same owner that "fell in love with Stauskas" and the Kings had just drafted a SG in the previous draft with a lottery pick :lol

[Chinook]

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bingo :lol

I think Pelton is a hack, but that was funny.

[Chillen]

Told you guys we could have got Cousins in some sort of trade. Could have got rid of Anderson in a trade with Vevek tbh :lol

It's obvious Pop and RC think he is some sort of cancer. They could have easily got Cousins for maybe Green, Mills, future picks.

[spursistan]

I think Pelton is a hack, but that was funny.
His advanced metrics models are maybe flawed and shaky, but I find him a decent enough analyst..

A hack is like that dude named Keith Smith you came close to vouching for in the "Dedmon as starter” thread…dude has been unashamedly recycling Woj tweets the past month or so with “Source: generic rehashing of Wojtweet few seconds ago” just to appear like he has inside info and legit contacts..

Finally few called him out..I mean a verified account with just 7K followers… twitter standards have sunk so low :lol..

[Chinook]

His advanced metrics models are maybe flawed and shaky, but I find him a decent enough analyst..

A hack is like that dude named Keith Smith you came close to vouching for in the "Dedmon as starter” thread…dude has been unashamedly recycling Woj tweets the past month or so with “Source: generic rehashing of Wojtweet few seconds ago” just appear like he has inside info and legit contacts..

Finally few called him out..I mean a verified account with just 7K followers… twitter standards have sunk so low :lol..

I tend not to read Twitter outside of whatever people post in threads, so I can't say what Smitty has been posting. I definitely think he has a ways to go to fully be on the inside. I don't doubt that some Spurs coaches wanted Dedmon to start. A guy like Borrego probably knew all about how good Dewayne could be.

I dunno. I think he broke something a few days ago, but I don't remember what it was. Do know that even after waiting, he didn't get the Cousins trade right.

[palangi]

1m 39s ago
@wojtek: Spurs send 2017 2nd round pick to Atlanta for the rights to 33yr old Donitausik Ajnemkoporin

Is this really true? And the rumor of leaving him in Europe?

This is bad business if true. Use it for a young euro to stash. Losing or second round pick for a33 year old euro who won't come over?

[Dverde]

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They no longer need the Boogie Whisperer.

[GSH]

Is there any notable reason for this move yet?


I love questions that answer themselves. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

This isn't just a matter of evaluating the trade in a vacuum, tbh..you have to look at the overall landscape of this deal..

The Kings have had far better offers than this during the past year and half..they opted to keep Cousins and build around him..they made a bunch of win-now moves to make the playoffs, this season(their team is all win-now players like Koufos, Afflalo, Barnes, etc..their only young prospect is WCS, who they weren't even playing until a few weeks ago)..they are currently the 9th seed, yet NOW they decide to trade Cousins for a garbage deal?

[cd98]

This isn't just a matter of evaluating the trade in a vacuum, tbh..you have to look at the overall landscape of this deal..

The Kings have had far better offers than this during the past year and half..they opted to keep Cousins and build around him..they made a bunch of win-now moves to make the playoffs, this season(their team is all win-now players like Koufos, Afflalo, Barnes, etc..their only young prospect is WCS, who they weren't even playing until a few weeks ago)..they are currently the 9th seed, yet NOW they decide to trade Cousins for a garbage deal?

Kings are the worst front office since NJ sent a bunch of unprotected first round picks for the corpses of Garnett and Pierce so they could make a splash by grabbing like the 8th seed for one year.

[CGD]

Man, if Houston gets Wilson Chandler that would be nuts.

[spursistan]

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holy shit Kangs! :lmao

[cd98]

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holy shit Kangs! :lmao

Spurs need to rob these guys a la Danny Ainge before the front office is fired and the owner removes himself from anymore personnel decisions.

[gambit1990]

buddy hield got ejected for hitting cousins in the nuts last week :lol

[Spur|n|Austin]

:lol Kings

[Mnky]

I love questions that answer themselves. :lol

:lol

[spursistan]

This article sumps it up..Kings are in deep shits and their future, like their very recent past, is grim.


The Kings will get New Orleans’ pick this season so long as it does not fall in the top three. (It will not fall in the top three.) Chances are the Pelicans rise up and capture the No. 8 seed in the West. If not, they’ll be close. As such, the pick will be in the Nos. 13-15 range.Assuming the Kings bottom out and the Sixers continue on their current path, the swap will occur and Sacramento will pick around No. 10. Rumors suggest (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/demarcus-cousins-trade-signals-reboot-for-kings-072616450.html) they are trying to part with their veterans, including Arron Afflalo. These veterans aren’t going to bring back high picks or good prospects.

In the post-Boogie landscape, the Kings are looking at a core of Buddy Hield (a 23-year-old who isn’t a serious contender for Rookie of the Year), Willie Cauley-Stein (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/257573/willie-cauley-stein) (a 23-year-old who wasn’t productive enough to be named to the Rising Stars Challenge in either of his first two seasons), Georgios Papagiannis (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/276652/georgios-papagiannis) (who is only averaging 12-8 in starters’ minutes in the D-League), and something around the Nos. 10 and 15 picks in 2017 and their own likely to be excellent 2018 pick. There are a couple more prospects like Malachi Richardson (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/276630/malachi-richardson) and Skal Labissiere (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/276650/skal-labissiere) on the roster, and the Kings have the rights to 24-year-old Serbian wing Bogdan Bogdanovic (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246308/bogdan-bogdanovic).

But in all, this is a depressingly deflated roster with exactly one great asset (the 2018 pick) and not a single can’t-miss star.
Ten years of lottery picks and six seasons with one of the most productive big men of his generation, and the Kings ended up with not a single playoff berth and this roster.

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[DPG21920]

What sucks is playoff teams like LAC or OKC have very clear and obvious needs and pretty clear paths to improve those holes.

Spurs are ahead of them but the holes SA has are not easily fixable due to a variety of issues (loyalty, assets, etc..)

[spursistan]

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Vivek is something else folks :lol

[DPG21920]

No nepotism going on in SAC at all. The 2 Vs are a nightmare.

[SPURt]

This article sumps it up..Kings are in deep shits and their future, like their very recent past, is grim.



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I wish the Spurs could pry Bogdan away but I'm sure Vlade loves him above all their other players.

[DPG21920]

buddy hield got ejected for hitting cousins in the nuts last week :lol

lol I forgot about that.

[apalisoc_9]

This isn't just a matter of evaluating the trade in a vacuum, tbh..you have to look at the overall landscape of this deal..

The Kings have had far better offers than this during the past year and half..they opted to keep Cousins and build around him..they made a bunch of win-now moves to make the playoffs, this season(their team is all win-now players like Koufos, Afflalo, Barnes, etc..their only young prospect is WCS, who they weren't even playing until a few weeks ago)..they are currently the 9th seed, yet NOW they decide to trade Cousins for a garbage deal?


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Vivek is something else folks :lol

Coached a girls team..thinks he knows basketball :lol

[SAGirl]

This article sumps it up..Kings are in deep shits and their future, like their very recent past, is grim.



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That's just so sad... Philly's pathetic three seasons in a row of open and purposeful tanking "process" doesn't come close to that. Just Vivek!

[bklynspursfan]

Vlade letting people know he had a better deal 2 days ago... Vivek wanted Curry 2.0 tho

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[bklynspursfan]

What sucks is playoff teams like LAC or OKC have very clear and obvious needs and pretty clear paths to improve those holes.

Spurs are ahead of them but the holes SA has are not easily fixable due to a variety of issues (loyalty, assets, etc..)

The clips have had the same types of holes for years now. With Doc there, even a clear easy path written out for him doesn't mean much lol.

I hear what you're saying tho. But I think PATFO do a pretty solid job of addressing our needs, and did a pretty good job with all the turnover we had after last season.

[cd98]

Vlade letting people know he had a better deal 2 days ago... Vivek wanted Curry 2.0 tho

833783965945204736

Sounds like blame the owner.

[bklynspursfan]

Sounds like blame the owner.

Yup, exactly

[HarlemHeat37]

At least Vlade might not be a total idiot, then:lol clearly not fit for the job, though..

I still can't believe they didn't know about the Stretch Provision..smh..