Trade Deadline Watch

[tbdog]

If you were the gm, would you make the call?

[sasaint]

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In the context of the dialog, KCP was the unstated benchmark. Thus: if Danny's stats would have been worse than KCP's while playing with Jackson...

[TheDoctor]

In the context of the dialog, KCP was the unstated benchmark. Thus: if Danny's stats would have been worse than KCP's while playing with Jackson...

Thnx for taking the time to explain it :toast

[sasaint]

No...It's not really an argument. It's a statement in the sense that KCP emerged as a more dynamic offensive player in a system that gave him opportunities to make decisions with the ball to the point he was efficiently scoring and creating for others, making passes to cutters, etc. None of those things you saw when he played as a set shooter off a ball dominant guard which Reggie Jackson is. Basically he has more potential than being a set spot up shooter.

In Reggies absence he showed he's more dynamic. He could make good choices in the PnR, could find a cutter, etc. Frankly the Pistons were better when they played off their wings and forwards than they were playing off Reggie which in part caused Reggie to be traded IMO.

I am not underselling Danny but I do think KCP is a more versatile offensive player who probably has potential that wasn't known bc the system didn't call for him to do these things previously.... or maybe he's just having a good season... but he's at that age when growth like this is not impossible or uncommon.

Not to split hairs, but you really are posing an argument. The dialog was not about KCP per se, but a comparison between him and Danny, which is a hypothetical, since Danny hasn't actually played with Jackson. Beyond that I agree with what you are saying about KCP. However, acquiring him at the cost of Danny or Mills + Simmons (+ a first :wow), would be a gamble I would probably not take - especially if you believe (as Chinook does) that KCP will command a max deal in the off-season.

[sasaint]

Thnx for taking the time to explain it :toast

Happy to. :toast

[SAGirl]

:lol


Way so. It would have a be a pretty good prospect of borderline starter at a position of need (who was locked up for at least another year) for me to do that trade.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/caldwke01/splits/2017

Dunno if KCP is that. His splits are fine, but it doesn't look like he was anything more than average. He and RJ have struggled together, whereas he played well with Ish. Not sure how that would bode for him in the Spurs' system. Feel like if Green were on the Pistons, he would have had the opposite results, and that seems more desirable.
Spurs Lack in perimeter versatility and creation... That will be more evident when Manu retires.

[gambit1990]

it's really gonna suck having parker's contract on the books this summer.

[SAGirl]

Not to split hairs, but you really are posing an argument. The dialog was not about KCP per se, but a comparison between him and Danny, which is a hypothetical, since Danny hasn't actually played with Jackson. Beyond that I agree with what you are saying about KCP. However, acquiring him at the cost of Danny or Mills + Simmons (+ a first :wow), would be a gamble I would probably not take - especially if you believe (as Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) does) that KCP will command a max deal in the off-season.
I only compared him with Danny for context not for an argument... If you want to make that an argument that's on you.

It's like comparing how Kawhi gets his looks vs how Danny gets them. Just looking at stats and percentages as a shooter without context doesn't describe much... It doesn't tell you how dynamic one or the other is or not, etc. Since you hadn't watched KCP much at all I tried to describe him for you using a point of reference that was familiar.

[sasaint]

I only compared him with Danny for context not for an argument... If you want to make that an argument that's on you.

It's like comparing how Kawhi gets his looks vs how Danny gets them. Just looking at stats and percentages as a shooter without context doesn't describe much... It doesn't tell you how dynamic one or the other is or not, etc. Since you hadn't watched KCP much at all I tried to describe him for you using a point of reference that was familiar.

? I am not using "posing an argument" in a confrontational sense. I mean it as "stating your case" or "making your point."

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

But lets say the Spurs did do the Mills-Simmons +1st for KCP...

KCP would be the 6th man THIS year and possibly going forward..and he'd replace Mills, Manu, Simmons who are all expiring etc.

I dunno what KCP would command on the market, but I think with him being only 24 he'd be a nice asset going forward with Kawhi, Murray, Green.

This is not happening tho but I do find it fun to discuss lol

Whatever team trades for KCP better be prepared to pay him the max because there are a couple of teams that will give him that in the summer. Detroit don't want to pay him the max, this is why they're shopping him. They'd be in cap hell. They want out of Drummond's terrible contract too.

There's no way he's worth trading assets for only to walk in the summer. And there's no way he's worth the max.

[SAGirl]

? I am not using "posing an argument" in a confrontational sense. I mean it as "stating your case" or "making your point."
Oh...ok.
I initially stated Spurs don't have the assets to get him so all this was just idle chat.

I also don't consider Mills and Simmons as guys Pistons would want bc they are also FA this off-season and will need to get paid $$.

It really comes down to if Anderson + 1st would do it for SVG or if he can do better and he might get better. Either a higher pick or a better project than Anderson.

Spurs may also just be getting ready to pay the Mills the big bucks and see what they can do about Simmons $$$$ ans just run this thing right back....
:stirpot:. :lol
Truth is they will have to pay somebody.

Lol that was a bit of irony. I do think they will need to add to their perimeter rotation but there can be other things they could do than KCP... even though he's dynamic... he may not be dynamic enough. It's really hard to tell the direction Spurs will take once Manu retires and how Tony does this off-season... They really need to look at updating their guards.

[sasaint]

Oh...ok.
I initially stated Spurs don't have the assets to get him so all this was just idle chat.

I also don't consider Mills and Simmons as guys Pistons would want bc they are also FA this off-season and will need to get paid $$.

It really comes down to if Anderson + 1st would do it for SVG or if he can do better and he might get better. Either a higher pick or a better project than Anderson.

Spurs may also just be getting ready to pay the Mills the big bucks and see what they can do about Simmons $$$$ ans just run this thing right back....
:stirpot:. :lol
Truth is they will have to pay somebody.

Lol that was a bit of irony. I do think they will need to add to their perimeter rotation but there can be other things they could do than KCP... even though he's dynamic... he may not be dynamic enough. It's really hard to tell the direction Spurs will take once Manu retires and how Tony does this off-season... They really need to look at updating their guards.

The upgrades need to come in the form of two penetraters - one to become the playmaker of the first unit, and one to become the playmaker of the second unit. I hope Murray becomes the former and Simmons the latter. That would be the optimum for the Spurs.

[SAGirl]

The upgrades need to come in the form of two penetraters - one to become the playmaker of the first unit, and one to become the playmaker of the second unit. I hope Murray becomes the former and Simmons the latter. That would be the optimum for the Spurs.
Simms is older and has to show up in the playoffs and then we will know if he's it. Maybe Mills ends up being the casualty of having to pay guys and he does leave for role + salary. It's tough to say right now.

[TheGreatYacht]

Does SVG want an Argentinian player on the books for $14,000,000?

[Mal]

Does SVG want an Argentinian player on the books for $14,000,000?

Such player has not written full no trade clause, if he`s still able to run for 10 minutes per game in April

[ceperez]

Simms is older and has to show up in the playoffs and then we will know if he's it. Maybe Mills ends up being the casualty of having to pay guys and he does leave for role + salary. It's tough to say right now.

Simms plays with a lot more control lately. Unfortunately, teams have figured him out, so he's not as effective as he used to be.

Despite that, Spurs will need his services against a team like GSW where you have to switch.

[CGD]

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Where is he? Is he in Latin America?

[mo7888]

With all the talk of Okafor going to Chicago for some package of Mirotic and McDermott I wonder what it would take for us to Edge in on that deal to get McDermott in a Spurs uniform? Would Anderson be enough?

[Ice009]

With all the talk of Okafor going to Chicago for some package of Mirotic and McDermott I wonder what it would take for us to Edge in on that deal to get McDermott in a Spurs uniform? Would Anderson be enough?

I'd rather have Anderson. That's what I think of McDermott.

[sasaint]

Spurs Lack in perimeter versatility and creation... That will be more evident when Manu retires.

Unless Murray and/or Simmons steps up - even Kyle, to some extent.

[mo7888]

I'd rather have Anderson. That's what I think of McDermott.

I'd rather have mcdermott...much better shooter..and he won't be as hesitant as Kyle..it will force defenders to cover him and open the floor more with better spacing.

[MultiTroll]

Brook Lopez available for only one 1st and one 2nd round pick per CBS Sports.

I would think the Warriors would be all over that. Or do they want to stick with their punk thug Zacha -whatever his name is.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Brook Lopez available for only one 1st and one 2nd round pick per CBS Sports.

I would think the Warriors would be all over that. Or do they want to stick with their punk thug Zacha -whatever his name is.

You would think wrong.

[look_at_g_shred]

Do the sixers still want Manu?

[DPG21920]

Brook Lopez available for only one 1st and one 2nd round pick per CBS Sports.

I would think the Warriors would be all over that. Or do they want to stick with their punk thug Zacha -whatever his name is.

It's very rarely just that. They have to send salary out that matches Brook's as well. It would take Iggy, Zaza & Livingston to get Brook for GS in addition to the picks. They can't afford to do that.

On top of that, they need to have the cap space to max out Durant this off season and Brooks 21M would take them out of the running. So that is really not an option.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It's very rarely just that. They have to send salary out that matches Brook's as well. It would take Iggy, Zaza & Livingston to get Brook for GS in addition to the picks. They can't afford to do that.

On top of that, they need to have the cap space to max out Durant this off season and Brooks 21M would take them out of the running. So that is really not an option.

Not to mention they don't own their picks anyway :lol

But yeah - there's no way they're taking on long term salary.

[sasaint]

Do the sixers still want Manu?

Haha. Maybe, but Spurs still don't want to part with him.

[mo7888]

Do the sixers still want Manu?

Doesn't Manu have a no-trade clause because he's on a veteran's 1-year deal?

[cd98]

What time does the trade line pass so we can quit wondering about trades the Spurs aren't going to make while looking at all he buyout market where the Spurs shop every year around this time.

[gambit1990]

so the pelican have upgraded, as well as the rockets. knicks will too if they do that rose/rubio swap.

paul george is up for grabs, as well as butler and the entire bulls roster it seems like.

okc has gotta make a move.

[Russ]

What time does the trade line pass so we can quit wondering about trades the Spurs aren't going to make while looking at all he buyout market where the Spurs shop every year around this time.

:flag:

I love it when no one talks about the Spurs -- not even so much as "under the radar" talk.

Laker broadcaster Mychal Thompson (Klay's father) says it will be the Rockets and the Warriors in the WCF. Not even bothering to mention why the Spurs can be dismissed.

The Clippers and Rockets are discussed by all media.

Based upon history (and unfortunately nothing more tangible), I just get a good feeling this year.

[gambit1990]

okc targeting taj. would be a good pick up for them, their roster is garbage.

[kaji157]

A few crappy sites have been saying that the Spurs were interested in George Hill and Cory Joseph.

Not very reliable info but it gives us the hint that the Spurs are after (1) guards (2) that have been here before.

[spursistan]

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Don't like it from a Spurs perspective: Taj has always given LMA fits..

[Mal]

A few crappy sites have been saying that the Spurs were interested in George Hill and Cory Joseph.

Not very reliable info but it gives us the hint that the Spurs are after (1) guards (2) that have been here before.

Check the dates, maybe it`s from 2010 news

[dabom]

Kawhi shits on any bulls player.

[kaji157]

Check the dates, maybe it`s from 2010 news

Its from a week ago.

[mo7888]

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Don't like it from a Spurs perspective: Taj has always given LMA fits..

Whatever they do, I hope it's enough to get them to a 6th seed so they can draw Houston in RD 1

[Chinook]

If Cory agreed to opt out in 2018, I wouldn't mind making a trade.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zr9ybyk

[NameLess Scrub]

What time does the trade line pass so we can quit wondering about trades the Spurs aren't going to make while looking at all he buyout market where the Spurs shop every year around this time.

Doing bb operations flee market style :lol

[szkorhetz]

If Cory agreed to opt out in 2018, I wouldn't mind making a trade.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zr9ybyk

Joseph is awful this year, TBH.

[Splits]

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Microwave

[Baam]

The Suns are the ones that have to give up a pick to get rid of that contract. And they probably know it.

[mo7888]

I think Knight is a guy that could really benefit from a change of scenery and a stable environment. He has some ability. I feel the same about McClemore in Sacramento.

[spursistan]

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Danny Ainge :lmao...

No GM should pickup the phone on this asshole anymore...

[TheGreatYacht]

If Cory agreed to opt out in 2018, I wouldn't mind making a trade.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zr9ybyk
Why would the Spurs want to get worse?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If Dallas get Nerlens Noel there'd be one less suitor for Dedmon with the ability to offer more than MLE and need at C.

[Chinook]

Why would the Spurs want to get worse?

Better draft pick? Maybe if their record were worse Kawhi would get more MVP consideration. Seems to be working for Boston, OKC and Houston.

[spursistan]

834805860463472642

Good for us as far as the propescts of keeping Dedmon in the summer :tu

[Ron Swanson]

Wojbomb on Noel to Dallas. Justin Anderson,
Bogut and a 1st round pick to Philly.

[Ice009]

Nerlens traded to Dallas for Justin Anderson and a first round pick.

[Mal]

Phila with potential 4 pick in top 20? WTF

[TheGreatYacht]

Nerlens to Dallas for Justin Anderson, Andrew Bogut, and a first round pick

Bogut will most likely get waived. No way he goes back to GSW, right?

[Mal]

nvm, Bogut is in deal with Sixers and pick is top 18 protected

[Chinook]

Nerlens to Dallas for Justin Anderson, Andrew Bogut, and a first round pick

Bogut will most likely get waived. No way he goes back to GSW, right?

Could see him being traded again.

[TheGreatYacht]

834805860463472642

Good for us as far as the propescts of keeping Dedmon in the summer :tu
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/nh0QO1jV_8zLPQlPg7-4shtxppc=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4189779/svp.0.jpg

[Ice009]

Nerlens to Dallas for Justin Anderson, Andrew Bogut, and a first round pick

Bogut will most likely get waived. No way he goes back to GSW, right?

Wouldn't Brett Brown want to keep him? The Aussie connection and all?

[Mal]

Nerlens to Dallas for Justin Anderson, Andrew Bogut, and a first round pick

Bogut will most likely get waived. No way he goes back to GSW, right?

I believe he cant do this for full year

[spursistan]

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/nh0QO1jV_8zLPQlPg7-4shtxppc=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4189779/svp.0.jpg

Always lurking :lol ..they need to shed a lot of salaries, tho.

[Chinook]

Wonder what it would take to get Justin Anderson from Philly...

[spursistan]

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[mo7888]

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:lmao

[sasaint]

Wonder what it would take to get Justin Anderson from Philly...

I expect they want to keep him - nice young SG. I wonder what this means for any potential Okafor trade...

[sasaint]

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/nh0QO1jV_8zLPQlPg7-4shtxppc=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4189779/svp.0.jpg

What a joke! Is he using a walker or riding a bike?

[spursistan]

It is been a really busy deadline..a lot of fireworks that could potentially culminate with the big one: RC Buford trading a 2023 second rounder for the rights to stashed senstasion 24-yo Mirsolav Kawowski playing in Division 2 Slovenia..:tu

[mo7888]

Wonder what it would take to get Justin Anderson from Philly...

Kyle+1st?

[Spurs9]

:lol more picks going to 76ers

[szkorhetz]

Bogut back to GSW, I can see it and even our smallest chance to get past them will be gone.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Bogut back to GSW, I can see it and even our smallest chance to get past them will be gone.

Nope.

[spursistan]

834786133729038336

Pacers in panic mode over PG have completely lost the plot :lol

[szkorhetz]

Nope.
Do you want to bet?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Do you want to bet?

Yes.

[TheGreatYacht]

What you want:

http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/28/e/lamarcus-aldridge-kawhi-leonard-jimmy-butler-ftr-073015_hipmhhkuzk6g18n5q8tf5y0yy.jpg?t=-542765354



What you get:

http://www.spursdynasty.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/andre_miller.png

[mo7888]

Philly likely to re-route Bogut per David Aldridge

[elemento]

Do you want to bet?

You're gonna lose the bet son. Bogut can't get back to GS this season.

He probably goes to Boston or Cleveland.

[spursistan]

I would take Bogut off waiver, tbh..

[sasaint]

834786133729038336

Pacers in panic mode over PG have completely lost the plot :lol

With Noel going to Dallas, did the price for Okafor go up? Seems like Philly has less incentive to move him now.

[DPG21920]

PHI is actively trying to move Bogut before the deadline is over. So the deal with the Mavs will likely be just Anderson this year for Noel (since Dallas isn't conveying their pick this year with those protections).

Interested to see the protections next year for the pick. Bogut to BOS picking up steam on the buyout market (Bogut will be bought out if he cannot be traded).

[Ice009]

What you want:

http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/28/e/lamarcus-aldridge-kawhi-leonard-jimmy-butler-ftr-073015_hipmhhkuzk6g18n5q8tf5y0yy.jpg?t=-542765354

That's exactly what I want. I was also thinking about the Jordan brand connection yesterday when I made Butler my number 1 choice.

I hope the Spurs are at least asking the Bulls about him. Even if the Bulls say "no", I hope they are asking about him. I'd pretty much give up anyone not named Kawhi or LaMarcus. Might even consider giving up LaMarcus if they wanted him if we could also get back Gibson or someone.

[CGD]

Great get for Dallas.

The Dallas 1st won't convey this year. Curious what the rest of the protection stipulations around then pick will be, e.g., does it turn to a second?

Based on what Philly might actually end up getting, I don't think a Kyle + Simmons + unprotected 1st this year, would have been that far off, dang.

Man they need to get rid of Divisions. SW division, even in a down year, was already the best in NBA, but now? Wow.

[szkorhetz]

That's exactly what I want. I was also thinking about the Jordan brand connection yesterday when I made Butler my number 1 choice.

I hope the Spurs are at least asking the Bulls about him. Even if the Bulls say "no", I hope they are asking about him. I'd pretty much give up anyone not named Kawhi or LaMarcus. Might even consider giving up LaMarcus if they wanted him if we could also get back Gibson or someone.
Why would the Bulls want anything from us outside those two? No way it could happen.

[Mal]

Spurs will be active at waivers at most.

[Ice009]

Why would the Bulls want anything from us outside those two? No way it could happen.

They might want Dedmon or Murray. You never know how highly someone thinks of another player. Looks at the Kings owner having a hardon for Buddy Hield.

[TheDoctor]

What you want:

http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/28/e/lamarcus-aldridge-kawhi-leonard-jimmy-butler-ftr-073015_hipmhhkuzk6g18n5q8tf5y0yy.jpg?t=-542765354



What you get:

http://www.spursdynasty.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/andre_miller.png

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsaZmjxUBhy-IMbjWhUojYXJcJN5YoSQdamY70vJzGf_BnD3wB

[TXstbobcat]

They might want Dedmon or Murray. You never know how highly someone thinks of another player. Looks at the Kings owner having a hardon for Buddy Hield.

Difference was that the kings seemed determined to get Cousins out of there due to being a major head case.

[CGD]

I like butler but he is duplicative of Kawahi. Need a creator instead. Neither Butler or George are that.

[spursistan]

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Can we just get this deal done? This Boston time to take a crack at CLE..

[Ice009]

I like butler but he is duplicative of Kawahi. Need a creator instead. Neither Butler or George are that.

And why would that be a bad thing? You don't think they can mesh well on the court. I'm pretty sure Jimmy can play some PG (if needed) too.

[kaji157]

Patty Mills was our only potential trade bait and he has been playing like shit.

Sucks that we are condemned to have Tony for a few more years. We need to add a very versatile guard next season.

[TheDoctor]

That's exactly what I want. I was also thinking about the Jordan brand connection yesterday when I made Butler my number 1 choice.

I hope the Spurs are at least asking the Bulls about him. Even if the Bulls say "no", I hope they are asking about him. I'd pretty much give up anyone not named Kawhi or LaMarcus. Might even consider giving up LaMarcus if they wanted him if we could also get back Gibson or someone.

Not gonna happen. Spurs could have drafted Jimmy but instead drafted CoJo. They gonna stand pat and look for waived scrubs with character with minors in astronomy.

[Ice009]

Not gonna happen. Spurs could have drafted Jimmy but instead drafted CoJo. They gonna stand pat and look for waived scrubs with character who have a minor in astronomy.

Funny you should mention Astronomy.

[spursistan]

That the Celtics didn't make run at Noel or any other big just yet tells me they are all in on a Butler/PG deal..

[TheGreatYacht]

That's exactly what I want. I was also thinking about the Jordan brand connection yesterday when I made Butler my number 1 choice.

I hope the Spurs are at least asking the Bulls about him. Even if the Bulls say "no", I hope they are asking about him. I'd pretty much give up anyone not named Kawhi or LaMarcus. Might even consider giving up LaMarcus if they wanted him if we could also get back Gibson or someone.
Spurs get: Jimmy Butler and Isaiah Canaan

Bulls get: Danny Green, Dejounte Murray, Patty Mills, Kyle Anderson, 2 future first round picks

Who says no? :wakeup

[szkorhetz]

Spurs get: Jimmy Butler and Isaiah Canaan

Bulls get: Danny Green, Dejounte Murray, Patty Mills, Kyle Anderson, 2 future first round picks

Who says no? :wakeup
Bulls. Easily.

[sasaint]

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Can we just get this deal done? This Boston time to take a crack at CLE..

I really do not want to see Butler in Boston coached by Brad Stevens. That would make the Celts a serious contender for a long time.

[Ice009]

I really do not want to see Butler in Boston coached by Brad Stevens. That would make the Celts a serious contender for a long time.

Hopefully, they're going for Paul George instead.

[CGD]

And why would that be a bad thing? You don't think they can mesh well on the court. I'm pretty sure Jimmy can play some PG (if needed) too.

Having LMA and Leonard already slows the offense considerably. Each needs either ISO touches or others to set them up. Butler is another player like that, and I think he would be relegated to a glorified Danny Green in the current system.

That said, if the Spurs were willing to play Leonard at the 4 full time, then that's a different story.

[kaji157]

Having LMA and Leonard already slows the offense considerably. Each needs either ISO touches or others to set them up. Butler is another player like that, and I think he would be relegated to a glorified Danny Green in the current system.

That said, if the Spurs were willing to play Leonard at the 4 full time, then that's a different story.

Or make him a sixth man.

[Ice009]

Having LMA and Leonard already slows the offense considerably. Each needs either ISO touches or others to set them up. Butler is another player like that, and I think he would be relegated to a glorified Danny Green in the current system.

That said, if the Spurs were willing to play Leonard at the 4 full time, then that's a different story.

I think it would work. You could have a go-to guy on the court at all times. Then also some of the time, you can go with Kawhi at PF and LA at C.

I'm a bit nevous that Butler's name isn't being mentioned. I don't want him going to someone else that is close to being a contender (unless it's the Spurs ;) as he could put a few teams over the top to legit contender status.

[sasaint]

Spurs will be active at waivers at most.

At most.

[Ice009]

Anyone want Darren Collison?

[spursistan]

I really do not want to see Butler in Boston coached by Brad Stevens. That would make the Celts a serious contender for a long time.
I am really tired of Lebron walking the East each year, tbh..Spurfan should really be worried about getting out of our conference first with the current Warriors juggernaut..the Finals would be a child's play compared to that challenge..

I wouldn't fear that potential Boston team since Kawhi has historically dominated both Butler/PG..

[sasaint]

I think it would work. You could have a go-to guy on the court at all times. Then also some of the time, you can go with Kawhi at PF and LA at C.

I'm a bit nevous that Butler's name isn't being mentioned. I don't want him going to someone else that is close to being a contender (unless it's the Spurs ;) as he could put a few teams over the top to legit contender status.

This.

[sasaint]

I am really tired of Lebron walking the East each year, tbh..Spurfan should really be worried about getting out of our conference first with the current Warriors juggernaut..the Finals would be a child's play compared to that challenge..

I wouldn't fear that potential Boston team since Kawhi has historically dominated both Butler/PG..

Kawhi's dominating Butler is only 1/5 of the equation.

[spursistan]

Paul George might be a better fit for Boston, but Butler has been the far better player this year with worse supporting cast..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5XfMpIUYAItRwb.jpg

[szkorhetz]

Paul George might be a better fit for Boston, but Butler has been the far better player this year with worse supporting..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5XfMpIUYAItRwb.jpg
Yeah, the two correlate. A lot.

[sasaint]

Hopefully, they're going for Paul George instead.

Yep, assuming George is committed to jumping to LA in 2018.

[spursistan]

Two hours before the deadline: need more of these...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5UAa8uWIAEI7Su.jpg

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs obviously have nothing to offer for Butler:lol he would be a horrible fit with the Spurs, too..

[spursistan]

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[DPG21920]

Dude, just saw the deal for the Mavs next year. If their first isn't conveyed this year (it won't be) its just two 2nd round picks (2017 and 2018). Crazy.

[Chinook]

Hell of a trade for Dallas. They can tank all they want now. Bogut ended up being a bigger part of this that I had realized.

[TheGreatYacht]

834824252473868288
So basically...... Mavs robbed Nerlens Noel from Philly for Justin Anderson and 2 second round picks? :lmao

lol Buford

[Spurs9]

834824252473868288

:lol

[Spurs9]

So basically...... Mavs robbed Nerlens Noel from Philly for Justin Anderson and 2 second round picks? :lmao

lol Buford

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/r-c-buford.jpg

[spursistan]

Good trade for the Mavs..I wouldn't qualify it as "steal" yet because of Noel dodgy health, and they are still going to have to pay him..

[SpursFan86]

Good trade for the Mavs..I wouldn't qualify it as "steal" yet because of Noel dodgy health, and they are still going to have to pay him..


Yeah, the fact that they could very well end up getting him for Justin Anderson + 2 2nd round picks sounds great...but if he never stays healthy and they end up giving him a borderline-max deal, it will just end up fucking over their future :lol

[kaji157]

Spurs obviously have nothing to offer for Butler:lol he would be a horrible fit with the Spurs, too..

Strongly disagree. FO thought Durant was a good fit. Butler is pretty much the third best Sf after kl and lj not listing kd.

[TheGreatYacht]

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/r-c-buford.jpg
Dude is going to live off the fluke Kawhi trade (almost drafted Valenciunas, and most likely had no idea Kawhi would be where he's at) forever :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Why would Spurs fans want Noel? I like his game, but the Spurs already have 5 quality bigs:lol The entire foundation of the team is built around the bigs..

[bd_monster]

Good trade for the Mavs..I wouldn't qualify it as "steal" yet because of Noel dodgy health, and they are still going to have to pay him..

I agree with this, I would rather pay Dedmon.

[Chinook]

Butler would be a horrible fit on both ends.

[szkorhetz]

Strongly disagree. FO thought Durant was a good fit. Butler is pretty much the third best Sf after kl and lj not listing kd.
Yeah, but he can't shoot. Parker can't shoot. Kawhi and LMA love the mid range, same as Butler. The whole spacing would be messed up

[mo7888]

:lol

We could have beat that offer...Damn..

[spursistan]

So basically...... Mavs robbed Nerlens Noel from Philly for Justin Anderson and 2 second round picks? :lmao

lol Buford

RC is still living off the Kiwi trade..Imagine if Valanciunas was still available at 15th pick :lol..

[Holden_Caulfield]

Good trade for the Mavs..I wouldn't qualify it as "steal" yet because of Noel dodgy health, and they are still going to have to pay him..

they maxed mathews so this shouldnt be a problem :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Strongly disagree. FO thought Durant was a good fit. Butler is pretty much the third best Sf after kl and lj not listing kd.

Butler is nothing like Durant, though, they have very few similarities..

Durant is one of the best off-ball players in the NBA and has shot 38% or higher from 3(on high volume) for most of the past 6 years..also, while Butler is a great player(top 15ish), Durant is a generational talent that you wouldn't pass up, even if it was a questionable fit(which it wasn't, since Durant could fit well anywhere, since he never needs to dominate the ball)..

Jimmy Butler is EXTREMELY ball-dominant, probably only behind Harden, in that regard..he's also a mediocre shooter and a limited playmaker..I can't even imagine how he would fit with Kawhi and Aldridge(especially since him and Kawhi are redundant in many ways)..

When/if the Spurs acquire another star, it absolutely must be a PG IMO..

[spurraider21]

Why would Spurs fans want Noel? I like his game, but the Spurs already have 5 quality bigs:lol The entire foundation of the team is built around the bigs..because pau is old and dedmon will be unrestricted. its more of a going forward thing

[TheGreatYacht]

Butler would be a horrible fit on both ends.
Would be an instant upgrade over Green on both ends

[Russ]

So basically...... Mavs robbed Nerlens Noel from Philly for Justin Anderson and 2 second round picks? :lmao

lol Buford

Who is reporting this?

Noel has huge potential . . . :bang

[TheGreatYacht]

because pau is old and dedmon will be unrestricted. its more of a going forward thing
God damn. Imagine paying Deadmon over the summer.... :lol

[Chinook]

Would be an instant upgrade over Green on both ends

Never watched Butler play at all, I take it.

[HarlemHeat37]

because pau is old and dedmon will be unrestricted. its more of a going forward thing

I can't recall a contending team ever making a move like that, tbh..

[spursistan]

Dude is going to live off the fluke Kawhi trade (almost drafted Valenciunas, and most likely had no idea Kawhi would be where he's at) forever :lol


RC is still living off the Kiwi trade..Imagine if Valanciunas was still available at 15th pick :lol..


Damn same thought :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Who is reporting this?

Noel has huge potential . . . :bang
Zach Lowe. Mavs pick is Top-18 protected. It turns into 2 second rounders after this year

[rjv]

the best part about trade deadline day is confirming how ST posters are the equivalent of vlade when it comes to being armchair GMs.

[TheGreatYacht]

Never watched Butler play at all, I take it.
If Butler, who is superior to Green on both ends, is a terrible fit. What does that make D-League?

[TheGreatYacht]

Damn same thought :lol
Only true fans don't blindly follow this guy's questionable decisions, tbh... casuals think he walks on water

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

the best part about trade deadline day is confirming how ST posters are the equivalent of vlade when it comes to being armchair GMs.

:lol There are a couple of posters on this site who are more competent to be GMs than Vlade and Magic.

[spursistan]

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[spursistan]

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[TheGreatYacht]

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[kaji157]

834832941532450816

Asserting his will all around.

[sasaint]

Asserting his will all around.

:lol But all around what team?

[kaji157]

Butler is nothing like Durant, though, they have very few similarities..

Durant is one of the best off-ball players in the NBA and has shot 38% or higher from 3(on high volume) for most of the past 6 years..also, while Butler is a great player(top 15ish), Durant is a generational talent that you wouldn't pass up, even if it was a questionable fit(which it wasn't, since Durant could fit well anywhere, since he never needs to dominate the ball)..

Jimmy Butler is EXTREMELY ball-dominant, probably only behind Harden, in that regard..he's also a mediocre shooter and a limited playmaker..I can't even imagine how he would fit with Kawhi and Aldridge(especially since him and Kawhi are redundant in many ways)..

When/if the Spurs acquire another star, it absolutely must be a PG IMO..

If a trade for him becomes available for the spurs and it doesn't involve any of our top two players you have to do it.
First because it most likely will include green. And second because the spurs have already made a ball dominant pg, sg and pf, win a few trophies before.

[spurraider21]

I can't recall a contending team ever making a move like that, tbh..true. never thought it would happen, just explaining rationale tbh

[DPG21920]

I bet you it's to CHI

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If Chicago have sent Taj for Robertson and the corpse of Collison they're idiots.

[TheGreatYacht]

Asserting his will all around.
:lmao

[spursistan]

Yeah, the fact that they could very well end up getting him for Justin Anderson + 2 2nd round picks sounds great...but if he never stays healthy and they end up giving him a borderline-max deal, it will just end up fucking over their future :lol

Yeah,, these two variables depressed the market for him..

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[Chinook]

If Butler, who is superior to Green on both ends, is a terrible fit. What does that make D-League?

Butler's been a terrible defender for years now. I bet you still think Afflalo is a good player.

[HarlemHeat37]

Would be pretty funny if the Bulls add one of the worst shooters in the NBA to their 30th ranked 3-point shooting team:lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Would be pretty funny if the Bulls add one of the worst shooters in the NBA to their 30th ranked 3-point shooting team:lol

Especially if they send their one good shooter McDermott the other way.

[cd98]

Ugh, my Pacer tickets about to become worthless. Come on Bird, don't let Magic beat you again! And I thought you learned that a pass to Ainge rarely ended in an assist.

[HarlemHeat37]

Rondo, Roberson, Carter-Williams and Wade in the same backcourt..Jesus..

[DPG21920]

Damn, its a very good time to be a buyer right now. Still have to gamble some, but it's minimal risk with potential nice upsides.

[DPG21920]

Rondo, Roberson, Carter-Williams and Wade in the same backcourt..Jesus..

#BuckTheTrends

[cd98]

Rondo, Roberson, Carter-Williams and Wade in the same backcourt..Jesus..

Some forward on that team should lead the league in offensive rebounding.

[TheGreatYacht]

Butler's been a terrible defender for years now. I bet you still think Afflalo is a good player.
I'll take that with a grain of salt after you said Harden having the ball is bad for HOU's offense :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Some forward on that team should lead the league in offensive rebounding.

Already added Bobby Portis to my fantasy team watch list, tbh:lol

[Chinook]

I'll take that from a grain of salt after you said Harden having the ball is bad for HOU's offense :lol

I don't remember when/if I said that. But likely, that will end up proven in a few months.

[gambit1990]

Rondo, Roberson, Carter-Williams and Wade in the same backcourt..Jesus..
:lol

the bulls are a joke.

[coachmac87]

Butler's been a terrible defender for years now. I bet you still think Afflalo is a good player.

Which Butler?? Jimmy or Rasual?

[look_at_g_shred]

Damn would be dope if we could somehow snag ellis

[Chinook]

Which Butler?? Jimmy or Rasual?

Probably about the same.

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't remember when/if I said that. But likely, that will end up proven in a few months.
You did, and it was actually yesterday :lol


Until/Unless the Rockets find a way to stop running their offense through Harden so much, nothing will help them. That will be the death of them.

Yeah, the Rockets' ORTG with Harden on the court is 117.1 (for reference, GS has the #1 offense in the league at 116.8). I don't think there's any issue with how the offense is ran while he's playing.

The problem is that the offense suffers a noticeable decline with Harden on the bench, and also their defense is pretty average. The addition of Lou Williams will likely address the former. If they do indeed end up getting a quality player in the $10-12 million range that can bolster their defense/rebounding, they'll likely pose a legitimate threat to SA.

[spursistan]

834839001211269120

Vertical Trade deadline show will start in minutes..

[Chinook]

You did, and it was actually yesterday :lol

Yes, that is because so long as the offense runs through Harden almost exclusively, they'll be easy to beat. I thought that was pretty evident. Hence what I was saying about it being proven in months.

Did you really think I had no idea that Houston had a good ORtg right now? Is this your first time seeing a D'Antoni offense in action?

[spursistan]

834841311358377985

Woj live..now!

[spursistan]

834842179084312576

[Spurs9]

Mike Ortiz: Sources: Pacers asking for 3 of 4 from group of Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, and Jaylen Brown + 2017 Nets pick for Paul George.

:lmao :lmao

Boston better hang up that phone tbh
Boston can sign a max this summer, and have a top 3 pick which would be on a rookie contract for the next 4 years. Not to mention PG13 could bolt.

[Chinook]

Boston can sign a max this summer

They can't do that.

[gambit1990]

the bulls are interested in cameron payne, holy shit :lol

they wanna swap doug mcd for him. okc has gotta do that deal.

[Joseph Kony]

ainge is retarded if he doesnt take George for Smart/Brown/pick...George is a proven all star player with way more value than a fat PG/SG, an unproven rookie, and a pick that may turn out to be a bust anyway. just fucking do it, sign bogut, and challenge the Cavs

[Spurs9]

They can't do that.

They will have $30million, close enough.

[spursistan]

834843429574234112

[palangi]

Butler's been a terrible defender for years now. I bet you still think Afflalo is a good player.

Green has been terrible on defense and you think he is irreplaceable. And you think mills is a good player.

Your judgement of players is so bad. I.E. Jean-Charles

[sasaint]

Mike Ortiz: Sources: Pacers asking for 3 of 4 from group of Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, and Jaylen Brown + 2017 Nets pick for Paul George.

:lmao :lmao

Boston better hang up that phone tbh
Boston can sign a max this summer, and have a top 3 pick which would be on a rookie contract for the next 4 years. Not to mention PG13 could bolt.

Larry trying to overcome the stigma of the G Hill trade, but trying against the wrong GM. :lol

[spursistan]

834842800067792897

He ain't resigning in Denver :lol

[cd98]

Damn it, Bird, keep George through the season so I can enjoy my Kawhi v. Paul game and then trade him after the season.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Chicago are idiots!

[Joseph Kony]

kinda odd though, every year we hear the spurs are at least eyeing someone...very quiet this year. guess we'll be picking from the scrap heap

[TheGreatYacht]

Green has been terrible on defense and you think he is irreplaceable. And you think mills is a good player.

Your judgement of players is so bad. I.E. Jean-Charles
Man.....

[cd98]

Breaking: Spurs are so uninvolved in trade talk that there are not even the usual nonsense rumors.

[TheGreatYacht]

If Chicago gives up Gibson and McDermott for R:lolberson and payne..... lmfao

[sasaint]

kinda odd though, every year we hear the spurs are at least eyeing someone...very quiet this year. guess we'll be picking from the scrap heap

Yeah, that odd, total silence has given me an irrational hope that the Spurs make an unexpected, under-the-radar splash.

[Mr. Body]

Who the fuck do the Spurs have to trade? They'd net nobody close to similar value for anyone on the roster. They are literally the last team I'd expect to make a trade right now.

[TheGreatYacht]

834845502646648832

See ya D-League Danny

[TXstbobcat]

Damn it, Bird, keep George through the season so I can enjoy my Kawhi v. Paul game and then trade him after the season.

Have fun at the game! I got to go to the Spurs game at the Pacers a week and a half ago.

[TXstbobcat]

Yeah, that odd, total silence has given me an irrational hope that the Spurs make an unexpected, under-the-radar splash.

Kind of thinking that too. Maybe something small at the last second before the deadline.

[spursistan]

834847132783886336

Melo 2.0

[ceperez]

Spurs could make a move when nobody is expecting. I would not be surprised that they shock us all!

[SAGirl]

Joseph is awful this year, TBH.
still a better player than ben mclemore, and mcbuckets...
Jeeezzzz.
I wouldn't mind him back TBH.
Some of the flotsam guys would give rotation players for in here really is a headscratcher though. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

KJ McDaniels to Brooklyn..this man was sooooo hyped just 2 years ago:lol

[spursistan]

834847614424248320

Where is fuckin RC? :lol

[sasaint]

still a better player than ben mclemore, and mcbuckets...
Jeeezzzz.
I wouldn't mind him back TBH.
Some of the flotsam guys would give rotation players for in here really is a headscratcher though. :lol

"New face syndrome"

[kaji157]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hqcbtss

[kaji157]

Spurs could make a move when nobody is expecting. I would not be surprised that they shock us all!

You won´t be.

[Chinook]

Trade is terrible.

[spursistan]

834845569042497538

I'm rooting for Boston to blow all these picks just for kicks...Ainge playing hardball with them on PG/Butler is mindboggling...

[sasaint]

Trade is terrible.

Which?

[sasaint]

834845569042497538

I'm rooting for Boston to blow all these picks just for kicks...Ainge playing hardball with them on PG/Butler is mindboggling...

YES! Ainge wasted assets last draft day. Hope the trend continues. :toast

[DPG21920]

KJ McDaniels to Brooklyn..this man was sooooo hyped just 2 years ago:lol

It's a good move by BKY. Marks making lemonade right now.

[DPG21920]

I would not pay that much for PG either. 2 players plus the pick.

[HarlemHeat37]

Woj just said that other top teams are terrified to make moves because of the Warriors:lol

[DPG21920]

Sucks that BKY is getting late firsts because they likely will draft ok and snag some guys SA wants

[TheGreatYacht]

Houston is going after Bogut. Holy shit if they add him and Lou Williams this trade deadline :lol :wow....

[r0drig0lac]

834847614424248320

Where is fuckin RC? :lol

this

[gambit1990]

okc has gotta snag taj and doug mcd. especially for payne and lauvergne :lmao who the fuck is running the bulls FO?

[SAGirl]

834803461304745985
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Danny Ainge :lmao...

No GM should pickup the phone on this asshole anymore...
OMG...
Dude wants a franchise player flea market style.

Jeeeeezzzus. :lol

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Celtics front office leaking rumors about Lamarcus early this season. They are basically around spreading rumors to sow the seed of discord between other franchise players and their franchise with the intention of creating a situation where the player is the one asking out of the team, getting fed up to then the Celtics swoop in.

[apalisoc_9]

Making mid-season moves is way too damn risky specially for a team of the spurs caliber.

Would be scared too.

[spursistan]

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GarPax :lmao

[cjw]

Houston is not trading McDaniels in the division and he can't shoot anyway.

That Rubio/Green swap is laughable. Rubio has negative value right now. Green has elite skills (and deficiencies) at a position with no depth

[gambit1990]

RIP bulls fans.

[gambit1990]

great trade for okc.

[TheGreatYacht]

Sam Presti :wow second best GM in the west behind Bob Myers....

[Spurs9]

Good hustle OKC

[spursistan]

834852005495656451

So, yeah, it looks over on the PG front..

[HarlemHeat37]

I like the move for OKC, too..McDermott is probably the worst defensive wing in the entire league, but they desperately need shooting(especially since Morrow forgot how to shoot)..Gibson is the better acquisition, though, for this season..a frontline of Adams/Gibson is extremely limited offensively, but will be very tough on the boards and defense(perfect fit for Westbrook with his bricks and lack of defense)..

[Spurs9]

Magic Johnson making a splash getting Tyler Ennis from Rockets :lol

[Chinook]

Which?

Rubio

[apalisoc_9]

834851401238986755

GarPax :lmao

Lauvergne has been better than Gibson this year though.

Lauvergne is a much better fit for westbroom too.

[cd98]

Spurs are bargain guys, but they have a rep for robbing teams in trades, but the only one I'm aware of is the Kawhi trade. Other than that, trades have been eh to crap. Yet it seems people won't deal with them for fear of being fleeced. Yet Ainge does fleece people and his name comes up every deadline, though that might be bc of their many assets.

[DPG21920]

Man, another playoff team (OKC) improves. I don't care about Doug he's been sucky. He's worth a flier, but Taj is a damn nice grab for them.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs are bargain guys, but they have a rep for robbing teams in trades, but the only one I'm aware of is the Kawhi trade. Other than that, trades have been eh to crap. Yet it seems people won't deal with them for fear of being fleeced. Yet Ainge does fleece people and his name comes up every deadline, though that might be bc of their many assets.
Or maybe Buford is passed out after sipping on Jack

[still.focused]

Spurs sleeping
I hate it

[SAGirl]

834807622972882944
Good for Noel... he was rotting away at times in Philly not playing bc of their overcrowded big situation.
Good luck with Dallas young fella.:toast

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It's been one of the most boring trade deadline days. Hopefully something more interesting happens in the last minute.

[spursistan]

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[Spurs9]

Spurs are bargain guys, but they have a rep for robbing teams in trades, but the only one I'm aware of is the Kawhi trade. Other than that, trades have been eh to crap. Yet it seems people won't deal with them for fear of being fleeced. Yet Ainge does fleece people and his name comes up every deadline, though that might be bc of their many assets.
They didn't rob the Pacers in that trade. They traded Hill for a pick, they happened to draft Khawi. Another team could have taken Khawi before the Spurs or he could have turned out to be a scrub. Its easy to say they robbed a team years down the line.

[gambit1990]

there's still time to trade tony for rubio. if thibs is willing to trade him for rose...

[cd98]

They didn't rob the Pacers in that trade. They traded Hill for a pick, they happened to draft Khawi. Another team could have taken Khawi before the Spurs or he could have turned out to be a scrub. Its easy to say they robbed a team years down the line.

Oh, I agree. I'm just saying that it is seen as a heist. Spurs traded when it was clear Kawhi was available, but never dreamed he'd be a superstar.

[8FOR!3]

Spurs went through the biggest turnover in years this offseason and people really think we were gonna make another move? This isn't 2K guys, real life works a little different. I know it's fun for fans to see turnover especially at the trade deadline, but it shouldn't be much of a surprise that the team pretty much is what it is this point for the second half of the season going into the playoffs. The only roster position I'm assuming isn't safe is Joel Anthony's and unless there's a buyout there's a good chance he'll keep that spot.

[HarlemHeat37]

PJ Tucker to Toronto..haven't heard whether they gave up a 1st yet, but great move from a basketball POV..

Poor Kawhistorm:lol

[apalisoc_9]

Deadline is officially over.

Time for the buyout thread to explode.

[8FOR!3]

PJ Tucker to Toronto..

Guess he fills the backup swing role with Ross being gone.

[TheGreatYacht]

PJ Tucker to Toronto..haven't heard whether they gave up a 1st yet, but great move from a basketball POV..

Poor Kawhistorm:lol
Insanely washed player. Lol craptors

[r0drig0lac]

winners: Pelicans obviously, OKC Presti and Raptors

[spursistan]

:lmao Boston standing pat

[Chinook]

winners: Pelicans obviously, OKC Presti and Raptors

I think OKC lost. Vertical says they gave up Payne too.

[HarlemHeat37]

Insanely washed player. Lol craptors

Solid backup SF, though..they only gave up an obese scrub(Sullinger) and 2nd round picks..

[sasaint]

PJ Tucker to Toronto..haven't heard whether they gave up a 1st yet, but great move from a basketball POV..

Poor Kawhistorm:lol

For Sullinger?

[Mr. Body]

LOL @ calling any team with Cousins 'big winners'.

LOL @ Boston.

[r0drig0lac]

I think OKC lost. Vertical says they gave up Payne too.

maybe, I think Taj will be great for them

[HarlemHeat37]

I agree with Boston not making a move if Bird was really asking for that much IMO..no way I give up 3 of Crowder/Smart/Bradley/Brown and a pick..

[Chinook]

maybe, I think Taj will be great for them

But what does that mean? Does it make them contenders?

[TheGreatYacht]

Solid backup SF, though..they only gave up an obese scrub(Sullinger) and 2nd round picks..
Yea I just saw. Thought he landed PHX a first rounder for a sec :lol

[sasaint]

I agree with Boston not making a move if Bird was really asking for that much IMO..no way I give up 3 of Crowder/Smart/Bradley/Brown and a pick..

Bird out-Ainged Ainge.

[r0drig0lac]

But what does that mean? Does it make them contenders?

obviously not, but they are better than before ... though we will have to wait how it will work

[HarlemHeat37]

Bird out-Ainged Ainge.

Ya, maybe if you know for a fact that he'll take a long-term deal, but it sounds like he's going to the Lakers within the next 2 years according to virtually every credible source, so far..