Trade Deadline Watch

[DPG21920]

The clips have had the same types of holes for years now. With Doc there, even a clear easy path written out for him doesn't mean much lol.

I hear what you're saying tho. But I think PATFO do a pretty solid job of addressing our needs, and did a pretty good job with all the turnover we had after last season.

Agreed. It's definitely better to be the Spurs than OKC/Clippers (although a healthy Clippers team is pretty damn good). But Clippers are really a SF away (and have been for a while) from really being a perfectly balanced team. That does not mean they are favorites, just as good of a build as you can do.

There are lots of SF's on the market (Barnes, Wilson Chandler, etc) to help fill that void unfortunately and not many obstacles in their way.

SA is still an elite team and the FO did an amazing job of replacing Tim and building things out. But the Spurs have a guard problem with their best 3 lead guards being TP/Manu/Mills. It's an area that should be addressed but it's not easy to do so because neither of those 3 will fall out of the rotation when healthy despite their level of play.

SA can still be great despite that, but observationally it would be nice to fill that pipeline more (but regardless SA is right there anyways).

[TD 21]

If this was supposedly the best the Kings could do, then it just goes to show you just how much worse Cousins' reputation is within' the league. Not only a terrible return for a top 10 player, but within' conference. They're on divergent paths, but still.

Normally a rookie struggling wouldn't be a big deal, but Hield is already 23 and got to play off of a top 10 player and quality starting point guard. His upside is probably somewhere between Beal/Gordon and McLemore . . . somehow, I don't have confidence in the Kings unearthing a mid round gem with the pick.

For the Pelicans, even with Cousins' volatility and the overlap with Davis, there's virtually no risk, given the relatively little given up and the likelihood that Demps and Gentry were out of a job had they missed the playoffs. They've lessened the chances of Davis eventually becoming disgruntled and wasting his prime.

Davis/Cunningham
Hill/Casspi
Cousins/Motiejunas
Moore/Neal?
Holiday/Frazier

In a best case scenario, probably 4th-5th best in West, but it's unlikely to happen this season. They're not a playoff lock, but they're now the favorites and should at least give the Warriors a somewhat competitive 1st round series.

[cd98]

If this was supposedly the best the Kings could do, then it just goes to show you just how much worse Cousins' reputation is within' the league. Not only a terrible return for a top 10 player, but within' conference. They're on divergent paths, but still.

Normally a rookie struggling wouldn't be a big deal, but Hield is already 23 and got to play off of a top 10 player and quality starting point guard. His upside is probably somewhere between Beal/Gordon and McLemore . . . somehow, I don't have confidence in the Kings unearthing a mid round gem with the pick.

For the Pelicans, even with Cousins' volatility and the overlap with Davis, there's virtually no risk, given the relatively little given up and the likelihood that Demps and Gentry were out of a job had they missed the playoffs. They've lessened the chances of Davis eventually becoming disgruntled and wasting his prime.

Davis/Cunningham
Hill/Casspi
Cousins/Motiejunas
Moore/Neal?
Holiday/Frazier

In a best case scenario, probably 4th-5th best in West, but it's unlikely to happen this season. They're not a playoff lock, but they're now the favorites and should at least give the Warriors a somewhat competitive 1st round series.

Watch NO flip Cousins for greater value.

[Nathan89]

If Pelicans get the 8th seed the refs are going to go out of their way to avoid calling fouls on Draymond. If they don't though getting him off the court with foul trouble could make the series extra interesting.

[sasaint]

Watch NO flip Cousins for greater value.

:lmao "Property Cousins"?

[cd98]

:lmao "Property Cousins"?

Hopefully Draymond Green isn't lurking on Spurstalk.

[apalisoc_9]

Sacramento has 7 SG now both prospects and current players.

I wonder if the spurs can somehow steal mclemore for nothing..like a 2020 second round pick and bryn forbes.

[Mr. Body]

Cousins is a cancer and nearly worthless as a competitor. That said, you don't trade for Hield on a value you think he holds three years from now, you trade for what he's worth now.

[DPG21920]

Sacramento has 7 SG now both prospects and current players.

I wonder if the spurs can somehow steal mclemore for nothing..like a 2020 second round pick and bryn forbes.

I would not be surprised if he is easily available. I mean, look at what they traded Cousins for.

[Robz4000]

Spurs need to get in on that if they can't get Lou Williams. Any guard that can penetrate and be some sort of threat to shoot would be helpful.

[Nathan89]

Sacramento has 7 SG now both prospects and current players.

I wonder if the spurs can somehow steal mclemore for nothing..like a 2020 second round pick and bryn forbes.

With Forbes skin tone Vivek will be hyping him as the next Curry without a doubt.

[coachmac87]

Spurs need to get in on that if they can't get Lou Williams. Any guard that can penetrate and be some sort of threat to shoot would be helpful.

Is this your dream scenario? Where have you seen Spurs interest in Lou Williams??

[spursistan]

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Butler to Celtics? :wow

[Robz4000]

Is this your dream scenario? Where have you seen Spurs interest in Lou Williams??

I haven't, but it'd make sense for both teams. Just not sure PATFO are even looking at the trade market; they truly seem to think this team has enough, which it doesn't but my faith in both is pretty low these days.

[Robz4000]

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Butler to Celtics? :wow

Or Paul George. Could see Bird's old team fleecing him too.

[spursistan]

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Butler to Celtics? :wow
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[apalisoc_9]

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Goerge or Butler...But seriously, they have tons of options here.

Wizards need to make a move. Barnes is in the market, Wilson chandler is in the market, Gallo is in the market....those guys wont move the needle but it would help their bench.

Also a good insurance if Porter gets injured.

[spursistan]

Or Paul George. Could see Bird's old team fleecing him too.
Rooting for trade fireworks :lol..Boston should go all in right now (before Bucks and Philly are ready)..Cavs are there for the taking, if not this year, definitely the next..It only gonna take a slight slippage from Lebron; no one is scared of Kyrie, Love or Ty fuckin' Lue..

[LittleCriminal]

Butler to the Spurs??
George to the Spurs??
Anybody to the Spurs??

[LittleCriminal]

I wish somebody would trade with the Spurs!

Trade Anderson, Forbes, Anthony, Parker, Simmons, Mills in this order.. Please do something!
Pels got Boobie for CaCa... Someone please take these scrubs too!

[DPG21920]

Goerge or Butler...But seriously, they have tons of options here.

Wizards need to make a move. Barnes is in the market, Wilson chandler is in the market, Gallo is in the market....those guys wont move the needle but it would help their bench.

Also a good insurance if Porter gets injured.

By definition, For WAS, helping their bench Definitely moves the needle.

[coachmac87]

I haven't, but it'd make sense for both teams. Just not sure PATFO are even looking at the trade market; they truly seem to think this team has enough, which it doesn't but my faith in both is pretty low these days.

I think it'd be the perfect fit imo. Mills/Anderson work salary wise just not sure Lakers are on a fire sale regarding him tho..

But he's EXACTLY what they need..a guard who can get his own shot and create for others..and at 7M per??

[HarlemHeat37]

Wizards need a bench guard, not a wing, tbh..Oubre isn't anything special, but he's competent enough to take a spot..

Lou Williams would be perfect for them, as we were discussing earlier in this thread..

[coachmac87]

Butler will get traded to Boston...Wade will get bought out and go to Cavs

[apalisoc_9]

By definition, For WAS, helping their bench Definitely moves the needle.

It won't because Brooks is a coach that plays his main guys 40mpg in the playoffs.

They have three guys right now in the bench that is going to play significant minutes in the playoffs. They just need someone that can sustain a decent level of play for 10mpg in the playoffs.

Always thought "moving the needle" implies something significantly more than average production.

[TheGreatYacht]

I wish somebody would trade with the Spurs!

Trade Anderson, Forbes, Anthony, Parker, Simmons, Mills in this order.. Please do something!
Pels got Boobie for CaCa... Someone please take these scrubs too!
I don't see Manure in your list of scrubs

[DPG21920]

It won't because Brooks is a coach that plays his main guys 40mpg in the playoffs.

They have three guys right now in the bench that is going to play significant minutes in the playoffs. They just need someone that can sustain a decent level of play for 10mpg in the playoffs.

Always thought "moving the needle" implies something significantly more than average production.

We all have different definitions I guess. To me, improving any weakness in a meaningful way is moving the needle. It may not leapfrog them over CLE but it moves the needle as far as giving them a better shot (injury insurance, less workload now for starters, possible great fit and allowing Brooks to go deeper into bench in playoffs, etc.)

[spursistan]

Lowe on potential deadline moves:

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[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, I didn't realize Al Horford was 30 years old:lol what a questionable deal, in hindsight, considering his impact vs. salary..

Larry Bird is an ass GM, he would be foolish to take on a bad veteran contract in a win-now mode just to appease the overrated Paul George..if the Celtics are offering a package, I'd take it and run..

[Ice009]

Is Buddy Hield actually any good? Can he shoot the ball anywhere near Curry levels for their owner to be saying that he's got Steph Curry potential? I don't remember much of him when the Spurs played the Pelicans.

[spursistan]

Damn, I didn't realize Al Horford was 30 years old:lol what a questionable deal, in hindsight, considering his impact vs. salary..
He is Bostan fan's Aldridge :lol ...Anyway, Celtics window is now with Bradley/Crowder/Isaiah in their prime and on friendly contracts...He could be a third or fourth option with Butler on board..

[DPG21920]

Damn, I didn't realize Al Horford was 30 years old:lol what a questionable deal, in hindsight, considering his impact vs. salary..

Larry Bird is an ass GM, he would be foolish to take on a bad veteran contract in a win-now mode just to appease the overrated Paul George..if the Celtics are offering a package, I'd take it and run..

Al is still a damn good player and is actually impactful in the right situation (3rd banana) IMO.

I dont think an INDY team in the playoffs can dump PG for picks & low ceiling young players (Smart, Rozier, etc..).

[spursistan]

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Boston assistant GM is triggered :lol..This shit might be going down after all...:wow

[HarlemHeat37]

Al is still a damn good player and is actually impactful in the right situation (3rd banana) IMO.

I dont think an INDY team in they playoffs can dump PG for picks & low ceiling young players (Smart, Rozier, etc..).

Horford would be fine as a #3 guy if they get Butler or George(although I'm not a fan)..similar to Aldridge, as spursistan said(although Aldridge is much better than Horford, at this point IMO)..

[DPG21920]

Horford would be fine as a #3 guy if they get Butler or George(although I'm not a fan)..similar to Aldridge, as spursistan said(although Aldridge is much better than Horford, at this point IMO)..

For sure - LMA can definitely still be a number 2 with his defense being so legit now. His offense is still better than Al's too (although Al is a way better passer).

[DPG21920]

Lakers are apparently asking for a first round pick for Lou. Man, that is rough. Boogie got only one first rounder :lol

Same for DEN on Gallo and Wilson except they want TWO first rounders lol.

[apalisoc_9]

Lakers are apparently asking for a first round pick for Lou. Man, that is rough. Boogie got only one first rounder :lol

Same for DEN on Gallo and Wilson except they want TWO first rounders lol.

Damn..rough.

Teams should just wait till 10pm of feb 28th...Den and LA would be desperate by then.

[DPG21920]

Damn..rough.

Teams should just wait till 10pm of feb 28th...Den and LA would be desperate by then.

DEN doesn't have to move anyone, but they would probably be wise too. They have a lot of young talent that needs to be given time and they can probably still play at about the same level.

[Ice009]

Damn..rough.

Teams should just wait till 10pm of feb 28th...Den and LA would be desperate by then.

Feb 28th? I thought the trade deadline is a few days away? Feb 23rd, isn't it? And isn't the time 3 pm?

[DPG21920]

Feb 28th? I thought the trade deadline is a few days away? Feb 23rd, isn't it? And isn't the time 3 pm?

Yes - it's Thursday

[coachmac87]

Feb 28th? I thought the trade deadline is a few days away? Feb 23rd, isn't it? And isn't the time 3 pm?

Deadline is Thursday at 3pm

[DPG21920]

Lot's of chatter about Melo going to BOS now.

[apalisoc_9]

Feb 28th? I thought the trade deadline is a few days away? Feb 23rd, isn't it? And isn't the time 3 pm?

I meant 22nd :lol

[spursistan]

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Yeah, GM Thibs is going to effin' things up even more in Minny...:lol

[8FOR!3]

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Yeah, GM Thibs is going to effin' things up even more in Minny...:lol

Why would they want him and his giant contract? Rubio is solid (probably a better player) and Kris Dunn is supposed to be the future are they already declaring him a bust?

[Ice009]

I meant 22nd :lol

Why the 22nd, though? Why shouldn't teams have called them earlier today with their best offers?

[apalisoc_9]

Why the 22nd, though? Why shouldn't teams have called them earlier today with their best offers?

22nd to 3pm deadline is desperate times. Many teams wait till the last day so they can get the most either as a buyer or seller..

[BatManu20]

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[apalisoc_9]

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Tough call....

[DPG21920]

How is that a tough call? Clippers would have a massive hole at PF and not gain anyone that has any upside long-term on a team with championship hopes.

[coachmac87]

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#BlowItUp

[NASpurs]

"or"? So one of those three players + a future 1st rounder? Yikes.

[gospursgojas]

Why on earth would Clips trade Blake for that???

[MaNu4Tres]

Why would they want him and his giant contract? Rubio is solid (probably a better player) and Kris Dunn is supposed to be the future are they already declaring him a bust?

Its for 2 more months. Then they clear 20 million off the books.

[apalisoc_9]

How is that a tough call? Clippers would have a massive hole at PF and not gain anyone that has any upside long-term on a team with championship hopes.

Well, it's certainly not a tough call for the clippers since they're the ones making the offer. I suspect Griffin has shown signs of potentially wanting to sign elsewhere once his contract is up otherwise, this isn't a deal the clippers would offer.

[apalisoc_9]

Why would they want him and his giant contract? Rubio is solid (probably a better player) and Kris Dunn is supposed to be the future are they already declaring him a bust?

Cap space.

[RD2191]

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WTF. Are the clips just going to blow it up or what?

[apalisoc_9]

Why on earth would Clips trade Blake for that???

Griffin not happy, LAC throwing the towel etc.

[spursistan]

Not sure why everyone is discounting the possibility of Thibs resigning Rose to big contract :lol..Dude is also inquiring about Tony Snell according to the latest rumors..you get the drill here: Spurs might also be able to dump Pau to him..

[marinoman]

Hope it happens, cmon Boston do it

[DPG21920]

"or"? So one of those three players + a future 1st rounder? Yikes.

It reads as Crowder and the choice of Bradley or Smart.

[DPG21920]

Well, it's certainly not a tough call for the clippers since they're the ones making the offer. I suspect Griffin has shown signs of potentially wanting to sign elsewhere once his contract is up otherwise, this isn't a deal the clippers would offer.

:lmao OMG the deal is so sh*tty I just read it as the BOS offer to the Clippers.

Please let this happen. That would be so sick. CP3 been hobbled, Blake gets traded for guards when they already have plenty in Crawford/Rivers/CP3 and a pick (which could be a great pick if it's BKY's but still). That would definitely knock them out of contention if they don't make some other moves.

[DPG21920]

Maybe CP3's injuries are more serious than they thought and they feel Blake/CP3 are gone anyways. That would be wild. What a somewhat unlucky team. Never could find a SF to fill the void and then a ton of injuries just to blow it up.

That would certainly bolster CP3 to Spurs as a free agent.

[coachmac87]

:lmao OMG the deal is so sh*tty I just read it as the BOS offer to the Clippers.

Please let this happen. That would be so sick. CP3 been hobbled, Blake gets traded for guards when they already have plenty in Crawford/Rivers/CP3 and a pick (which could be a great pick if it's BKY's but still). That would definitely knock them out of contention if they don't make some other moves.


Do we want them out of contention?? I'd like the Warriors to get tested with NOLA, LAC match ups..

[apalisoc_9]

Cp3 isnt signing with the spurs. PATFO has a very clear strcuture right now. They're not going to offer big money for any thirty year olds.

[NASpurs]

It reads as Crowder and the choice of Bradley or Smart.


:lol wow even then, it's marginally better but still crap. I hope it happens then, it means that the Clippers will fall to the seventh and CP3 leaves L.A.

[DPG21920]

Do we want them out of contention?? I'd like the Warriors to get tested with NOLA, LAC match ups..

Hell yes we want them out of contention. That would be sick. I mean, the West is brutal and any time a legit top 3 conference team is blown up that is opportunity for everyone else.

[DPG21920]

Cp3 isnt signing with the spurs. PATFO has a very clear strcuture right now. They're not going to offer big money for any thirty year olds.

Perhaps, but just saying it would likely signal CP3 leaving LAC (although I can see him just cashing in - he seems like that type).

[coachmac87]

Cp3 isnt signing with the spurs. PATFO has a very clear strcuture right now. They're not going to offer big money for any thirty year olds.


I think it's a lock tbh. Woj said it last year tbh and I'll never doubt Woj.

[apalisoc_9]

:lok

No one outside a Healthy cavs team and a clicking spurs would trully challenge the most talented team ever...and even the two are a tier below GSW.

LAC knows this...Maybe Boston gets two superstars before deadline

[Darius Bieber]

Cp3 isnt signing with the spurs. PATFO has a very clear strcuture right now. They're not going to offer big money for any thirty year olds.

He's going back to New Orleans with AD and Boogie.

[apalisoc_9]

He's going back to New Orleans with AD and Boogie.

Good call.

Good posibility

[Chinook]

How is that a tough call? Clippers would have a massive hole at PF and not gain anyone that has any upside long-term on a team with championship hopes.

What's the "future first"? If it's a Brooklyn pick, then that's a good deal. Crowder and Bradley are good players who can help the team win while having a good deal of retrade value if they just go with the rebuild

[coachmac87]

Hell yes we want them out of contention. That would be sick. I mean, the West is brutal and any time a legit top 3 conference team is blown up that is opportunity for everyone else.

I'm just saying the Spurs road would again be tougher than GSW. They'd more likely face NOLA, UTAH...meanwhile we get OKC, HOU..

[TheDoctor]

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And they will still play as the 95' Dream Team when playing the Spurs tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

What's the "future first"? If it's a Brooklyn pick, then that's a good deal. Crowder and Bradley are good players who can help the team win while having a good deal of retrade value if they just go with the rebuild

No way its not one of the top picks...

[DPG21920]

He's going back to New Orleans with AD and Boogie.

They have Jrue who's more than fine and they love him.

[DPG21920]

What's the "future first"? If it's a Brooklyn pick, then that's a good deal. Crowder and Bradley are good players who can help the team win while having a good deal of retrade value if they just go with the rebuild

Even if it's the BKY pick (which is great) those guys are mega redundant and they have no chance to fill the PF void. Especially this year.

[DPG21920]

I'm just saying the Spurs road would again be tougher than GSW. They'd more likely face NOLA, UTAH...meanwhile we get OKC, HOU..

NOLA & UTA is tougher than OKC/HOU IMVHO

[look_at_g_shred]

Blake to the Spurs for Aldridge and Mills

[apalisoc_9]

They have Jrue who's more than fine and they love him.

Jrue is a FA next year. Its very possible he signs elsewhere...

[apalisoc_9]

Even if it's the BKY pick (which is great) those guys are mega redundant and they have no chance to fill the PF void. Especially this year.

They dont need to fill the PF void if they're comitted to playing crowder at the 4 and Deandre as their only big.

Its all about structure and the Clippers might feel like they have been competitive enough with that strucutre minus blake.

[DPG21920]

What's the "future first"? If it's a Brooklyn pick, then that's a good deal. Crowder and Bradley are good players who can help the team win while having a good deal of retrade value if they just go with the rebuild

Losing Blake and getting Crowder+Bradley is a mega step-back. Even if they were able to move Jamal + Austin to free up space for the new guys, it's a massive step back from a talent perspective. Blake is a top player and a bunch of mid-tier guys are not going to cut it.

Now, they can rebuild but they will not help them win.

[DPG21920]

Jrue is a FA next year. Its very possible he signs elsewhere...

I know but they seem damn intent on keeping him. Even AD is all in on Jrue and now they have Boogie. Have to like their chances there.

[DPG21920]

They dont need to fill the PF void if they're comitted to playing crowder at the 4 and Deandre as their only big.

Its all about structure and the Clippers might feel like they have been competitive enough with that strucutre minus blake.

That's my point. Going from Blake at the 4 to Crowder is a ridiculous downgrade. Sure they get a great pick (possibly) but they take a huge step back from a winning perspective. Blake covered up a lot of holes and so did CP3.

[Chinook]

Even if it's the BKY pick (which is great) those guys are mega redundant and they have no chance to fill the PF void. Especially this year.

They'd definitely play Crowder at the four. That's fine against almost every team in the West -- especially GS. Or they can put Johnson/Pierce there. For a Brooklyn pick, it's something to consider. I'd probably push to get out of Crawford's deal, though, if I were them.

[DPG21920]

They'd definitely play Crowder at the four. That's fine against almost every team in the West -- especially GS. Or they can put Johnson/Pierce there. For a Brooklyn pick, it's something to consider. I'd probably push to get out of Crawford's deal, though, if I were them.

Dude, my man, I agree that pick is huge, but Blake at the 4 vs Crowder is such a talent downgrade. I mean, they already are on thin ice and now they would still have the SF hole and be worse at the 4. I mean, they probably don't fall completely off a cliff (although I think that is a legit possiblity) but they have zero chance at competing in the West with that.

It would have to be a rebuild IMO and I would imagine CP3 says bye bye as well if this deal goes down.

[Chinook]

Dude, my man, I agree that pick is huge, but Blake at the 4 vs Crowder is such a talent downgrade.

Why do you keep obsessing over that? They wouldn't be getting a potential Brooklyn pick if it weren't a downgrade. Of course they're not going to have as much talent. What does that really mean, though? They weren't beating GS with Blake, and they'll probably be able to get past Utah without him. What difference would this really make?

Obviously, this move is a lot easier to make if you feel that Paul is leaving in July. Then it's a rebuild regardless. But an elite PG prospect, Bradley, Crowder and Jordan is a pretty good starting point. Depending on how Rivers and Crawford play, they could remain a playoff team with that group.

[HarlemHeat37]

That move would be a no-brainer for the Clippers if it's the Brooklyn pick IMO..they would still be very competitive and add depth(3 very solid players), this season, but getting the pick is key..they need to begin looking forward and going in a different direction, their core clearly isn't going to win a title..

The Warriors have embarrassed them every single time they have faced off, they would sweep them and win every game by double digits in the playoffs:lol

[DPG21920]

Why do you keep obsessing over that? They wouldn't be getting a potential Brooklyn pick if it weren't a downgrade. Of course they're not going to have as much talent. What does that really mean, though? They weren't beating GS with Blake, and they'll probably be able to get past Utah without him. What difference would this really make?

Obviously, this move is a lot easier to make if you feel that Paul is leaving in July. Then it's a rebuild regardless. But an elite PG prospect, Bradley, Crowder and Jordan is a pretty good starting point. Depending on how Rivers and Crawford play, they could remain a playoff team with that group.

So just because you can't beat GS (who might not be able to keep KD next year without further gutting team) means you blow it up?

There is no way LAC gets past even UTA without Blake (IMO). What elite PG prospect are you referring to? That core you mentioned of Bradley/Crowder/Jordan sounds awful tbh..they are an elite playoff team now so why do the deal if your ceiling is maybe what you are currently? I'd rather keep trying to add to what I have now.

[DPG21920]

That move would be a no-brainer for the Clippers if it's the Brooklyn pick IMO..they would still be very competitive and add depth(3 very solid players), this season, but getting the pick is key..they need to begin looking forward and going in a different direction, their core clearly isn't going to win a title..

The Warriors have embarrassed them every single time they have faced off, they would sweep them and win every game by double digits in the playoffs:lol

The would only get two players (Crowder + Bradley) for now though and the pick isn't guaranteed to be a great player (seemingly would be with a top pick though).

[HarlemHeat37]

Right, it says "or" Smart, I thought it said "and"..

[coachmac87]

So just because you can't beat GS (who might not be able to keep KD next year without further gutting team) means you blow it up?

There is no way LAC gets past even UTA without Blake (IMO). What elite PG prospect are you referring to? That core you mentioned of Bradley/Crowder/Jordan sounds awful tbh..they are an elite playoff team now so why do the deal if your ceiling is maybe what you are currently? I'd rather keep trying to add to what I have now.

Lonzo Ball and Markelle Fultz are elite PG prospects.

[DPG21920]

Lonzo Ball and Markelle Fultz are elite PG prospects.

Ok - I was not sure what he was talking about. Getting Steph Curry does make it enticing.

[gambit1990]

if several teams are inquiring about rose then there's gotta be a market for parker.

[TXstbobcat]

Some members of the Utah Jazz front office have expressed interest in trading for Lakers guard Lou Williams:

[coachmac87]

if several teams are inquiring about rose then there's gotta be a market for parker.


Rose is a better player

[dabom]

Rose is a better player

Rose cucks porker all the time but he is worse than porker. and he thinks he deserves the super max contracts. :lmao

[DPG21920]

Some members of the Utah Jazz front office have expressed interest in trading for Lakers guard Lou Williams:




Strange. I mean, I wonder if they are worried about Hills foot/toe?

[DPG21920]

if several teams are inquiring about rose then there's gotta be a market for parker.

It's not about there being a market for TP - it's about the Spurs willingness to trade him. NY has no allegiance to Rose; SA very much has allegiance to TP.

[apalisoc_9]

Some members of the Utah Jazz front office have expressed interest in trading for Lakers guard Lou Williams:




Good for utah...hood and hill are always injured for some reason.

Burks is awful but he's young enough that it might convince Utah.

First round plus Burke for Williams..

[HarlemHeat37]

Thibs getting Rose would be a move to get Rubio off the books IMO..it would be a nice move IMO, assuming they aren't going to pay Rose in the off-season, which would be foolish..

[apalisoc_9]

Strange. I mean, I wonder if they are worried about Hills foot/toe?

Its not just hill foot toe. Hood can very inconsistent and gets minor injuries every now and then.

This is a no brainer for the Jazz if they want to compete for the third seed.

[apalisoc_9]

A closing lineup of Lou/Hood-Hill-Hayward-Johnson/ingles + Gobert can get help them reduce the shitty offensive stretches they go through every game.

[Chillen]

The would only get two players (Crowder + Bradley) for now though and the pick isn't guaranteed to be a great player (seemingly would be with a top pick though).

Griffin has rarely been healthy, it's a risky move but it's not the worst trade idea.

[Chillen]

It's not about there being a market for TP - it's about the Spurs willingness to trade him. NY has no allegiance to Rose; SA very much has allegiance to TP.

yep, 4 rings vs zero!

[pookenstein]

Somebody put a gun to both the Bulls and Sixers GM's heads and make them agree to this:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=grsc7hc

Spurs get: Butler
Bulls get: Green and Noel
Sixers get: Mills and Anderson

Only thing left to do is putting a gun on Matt Bonners head, so Pop agrees to the trade as well.


:lobt2:

[james evans]

Somebody put a gun to both the Bulls and Sixers GM's heads and make them agree to this:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=grsc7hc

Spurs get: Butler
Bulls get: Green and Noel
Sixers get: Mills and Anderson

Only thing left to do is putting a gun on Matt Bonners head, so Pop agrees to the trade as well.


:lobt2:
If that shit would ever happen, I would faint from excitement.

[pookenstein]

If that shit would ever happen, I would faint from excitement.

You and me both. Imagine a defensive lineup of Butler-Kawhi-Aldrige-Dedmon. Just put the PG on the weakest guy of the opposing Team.

[Nathan89]

Clippers would play better vs GSW if they played a small lineup involving those pieces. Blake Griffen taking it at Draymond and taking long 2's is a disaster.

[Mal]

Somebody put a gun to both the Bulls and Sixers GM's heads and make them agree to this:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=grsc7hc

Spurs get: Butler
Bulls get: Green and Noel
Sixers get: Mills and Anderson

Only thing left to do is putting a gun on Matt Bonners head, so Pop agrees to the trade as well.


:lobt2:

Retarded trades are done for at least decade after Boogie`s.

Mirotic is available, he`s definately Spurs` material, but he`s due to pay rise.

[mo7888]

833886474047102976

That looks like the kind of deal that Boston would offer for Aldridge...

[CGD]

That looks like the kind of deal that Boston would offer for Aldridge...

That would be an excellent haul for LMA: Crowder + Bradley/Smart + a Nets pick

[Mal]

That would be an excellent haul for LMA: Crowder + Bradley/Smart + a Nets pick

Nets pick stays in Massachusetts. It didn`t went for Cousins, it won`t go for anybody else, maybe expect Paul George.

[cd98]

Man I have Spurs/Pacers tickets. They better not trade George or those are worthless.

[Chinook]

Man I have Spurs/Pacers tickets. They better not trade George or those are worthless.

Unless they trade him to the Spurs...

[Mal]

Man I have Spurs/Pacers tickets. They better not trade George or those are worthless.

Boston would have go Nets pick, Crowder, Smart to get George available for talks. I don`t expect him changing uniforms this week.

[spursistan]

Damn, I didn't realize Al Horford was 30 years old:lol what a questionable deal, in hindsight, considering his impact vs. salary..

Larry Bird is an ass GM, he would be foolish to take on a bad veteran contract in a win-now mode just to appease the overrated Paul George..if the Celtics are offering a package, I'd take it and run..

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[coachmac87]

Boston would have go Nets pick, Crowder, Smart to get George available for talks. I don`t expect him changing uniforms this week.


They'd give up the pick for Butler too imo

[Chinook]

They'd give up the pick for Butler too imo

Spurs shouldn't have cut him then.

[coachmac87]

Spurs shouldn't have cut him then.

LMAO. So should we try and get Lou Williams or nah?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

LMAO. So should we try and get Lou Williams or nah?

Career playoff FG%: .362, 3p%: .238.

Nope. No need for another Kevin Martin.

[coachmac87]

Career playoff FG%: .362, 3p%: .238.

Nope. No need for another Kevin Martin.


That's not a fair comparison...

[Chinook]

LMAO. So should we try and get Lou Williams or nah?

If he were cheaper, maybe. Mills and Anderson would be a high as I'd go.

[coachmac87]

If he were cheaper, maybe. Mills and Anderson would be a high as I'd go.

That's the deal I'd do too...I think that's the only deal you can offer.

7M per is good value for a 6th man candidate IMO. Mills is gone next year, so is Manu and maybe Simmons..it helps this year but I think next year is when it really makes sense

[spursistan]

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After the Boogie trade, it would be absolutely dumb for the Mavs to not make a detour and tank hard now..They were foolish to chase the playoffs to begin with after that disastrous start..

[spursistan]

^^

it is now a striking reality that Dallas are the worst team in the Southwest division and have by far the worst future outlook of all those teams...

Cuban and the Mavs FO have had this undeserved "smart rep" attached to them for bit too long..they went from NBA champions to a bottom 5 conference team in matter of 6 years before Dirk even retires..

[TXstbobcat]

Report: Chris Paul has already verbally agreed to re-sign with Clippers
He’ll opt out of his final $24.26 million and ink a new deal with the Clippers for north of $200 million. While Knicks fan often dream of a Carmelo Anthony (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/929/carmelo-anthony)-Paul tandem, it’s not going to happen. Sources close to the process said that it’s already been verbally agreed to and it’s simply a function of the calendar and the new Collective Bargaining Agreement kicking in.

[coachmac87]

^^

it is now a striking reality that Dallas are the worst team in the Southwest division and have by far the worst future outlook of all those teams...

Cuban and the Mavs FO have had this undeserved "smart rep" attached to them for bit too long..they went from NBA champions to a bottom 5 conference team in matter of 6 years before Dirk even retires..

They tried though..just missed out in free agency and settled for plan B or C..

Not every team has had 3 HOF building blocks like the Spurs

[Chinook]

Report: Chris Paul has already verbally agreed to re-sign with Clippers


He’ll opt out of his final $24.26 million and ink a new deal with the Clippers for north of $200 million. While Knicks fan often dream of a Carmelo Anthony (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/929/carmelo-anthony)-Paul tandem, it’s not going to happen. Sources close to the process said that it’s already been verbally agreed to and it’s simply a function of the calendar and the new Collective Bargaining Agreement kicking in.

Nah. And I'm not even sure that any party wants that.

[Ice009]

Report: Chris Paul has already verbally agreed to re-sign with Clippers
He’ll opt out of his final $24.26 million and ink a new deal with the Clippers for north of $200 million. While Knicks fan often dream of a Carmelo Anthony (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/929/carmelo-anthony)-Paul tandem, it’s not going to happen. Sources close to the process said that it’s already been verbally agreed to and it’s simply a function of the calendar and the new Collective Bargaining Agreement kicking in.

Where's the link? Who is that coming from?

Anyway, I really, really want Jimmy Butler. Pull off a miracle trade please, Spurs.

[TXstbobcat]

Where's the link? Who is that coming from?

Anyway, I really, really want Jimmy Butler. Pull off a miracle trade please, Spurs.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/21/report-chris-paul-has-already-verbally-agreed-to-re-sign-with-clippers/

[SpursforSix]

^^

it is now a striking reality that Dallas are the worst team in the Southwest division and have by far the worst future outlook of all those teams...

Cuban and the Mavs FO have had this undeserved "smart rep" attached to them for bit too long..they went from NBA champions to a bottom 5 conference team in matter of 6 years before Dirk even retires..

I'm not sure that they've had a "smart" rep attached to them. Seems like just the opposite. More so since they broke up the team after that championship on the hope they could get a big FA. They're unfortunate in that Carlisle is a good coach that has taken new pieces every year and somehow kept them missing the lottery. That puts them in one of the worst spots in the NBA. Too good to make the lottery but not good enough to seriously challenge for even the WCF. Of course, it doesn't help that it's been in a era when the WC has been pretty stacked.

But back to the "smart" comment. I'm not sure who's saying that but the consensus in the DFW area is that they make boneheaded decisions based on gut reactions. Seems like they miss plan A and then plan B is just to overpay mid-level players.

At least they got their ring. Happy for Dirk in that regard.

[SpursFan86]

Man, I really hope Boston manages to land another star...would be great for basketball if LeBron and the Cavs actually have a somewhat legitimate threat to go up against in the East.

[Spurs9]

Man, I really hope Boston manages to land another star...would be great for basketball if LeBron and the Cavs actually have a somewhat legitimate threat to go up against in the East.
I think the current Celtics team would be a tough out for Cavs right now, with another big piece they have a squad that could definitely make the finals. They are still stacked for the future with picks too. That team is in the best position.

[NameLess Scrub]

Man, I really hope Boston manages to land another star...would be great for basketball if LeBron and the Cavs actually have a somewhat legitimate threat to go up against in the East.

Wouldn't mind Lebron getting an actual threat and even losing if they don't execute well enough or someone gets injured, instead of getting to the Finals even in spite of having stars injured.

[SpursFan86]

I think the current Celtics team would be a tough out for Cavs right now

Sorry, but I don't buy this at all. Current Celtics would be lucky to push a healthy Cleveland team to 6 games. Now if they added someone like Jimmy Butler or Paul George, then yeah, they could legitimately challenge Cleveland.

[HarlemHeat37]

Raptors own Boston, tbh..Celtics won't even get to round 3 if those 2 teams match up in round 2..

[SAGirl]

They tried though..just missed out in free agency and settled for plan B or C..

Not every team has had 3 HOF building blocks like the Spurs
yea...
Mavs really only had the one.
He left money too, his contract prior to this current one so Cuban could add talent. They just whiffed on the moves they made.. Parsons didn't pan out for them for example.

Anyways, Dirk has finally reached TOSB status and that is that.

[TimDunkem]

Raptors own Boston, tbh..Celtics won't even get to round 3 if those 2 teams match up in round 2..Raptors are playoff chokers. We've seen who they are over the past few years.

[Mal]

Report: Chris Paul has already verbally agreed to re-sign with Clippers
He’ll opt out of his final $24.26 million and ink a new deal with the Clippers for north of $200 million. While Knicks fan often dream of a Carmelo Anthony (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/929/carmelo-anthony)-Paul tandem, it’s not going to happen. Sources close to the process said that it’s already been verbally agreed to and it’s simply a function of the calendar and the new Collective Bargaining Agreement kicking in.


36 years injury riddled Chris Paul earning 45 milion dollars

[Chinook]

Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojVerticalNBA
Lakers make Magic Johnson President of Basketball Operations, fire GM Mitch Kupchak and Jim Buss, team says.

[SAGirl]

Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojVerticalNBA
Lakers make Magic Johnson President of Basketball Operations, fire GM Mitch Kupchak and Jim Buss, team says.
Wow...
a real bomb.

[HarlemHeat37]

Raptors are playoff chokers. We've seen who they are over the past few years.

Of course, but I don't expect Boston to be any different with a 5'9" #1 option and Al Horford:lol

Players who rely on FT shooting(like Derozan, for example) tend to underperform in the playoffs..Thomas meets that criteria..

[toki9]

833886474047102976

This would be interesting if they couple it with Carmelo for Crawford/Rivers with the Knicks. Then they play Carmelo at the 4.

[TheGreatYacht]

Somebody wake up RC who passed out on the wheel and get him on the line with Magic and sell him a Lou Williams-Kyle (Magic Lite) trade

[Seventyniner]

Unless they trade him back to the Spurs...

Fixed.

[spursistan]

Somebody wake up RC who passed out on the wheel and get him on the line with Magic and sell him a Lou Williams-Kyle (Magic Lite) trade

834119303700025344

Somebody please wake his DUI ass up :lol the season of fleecing is about to begin..

Paddy Mills + 2026 second rounder for Lou Williams..

[Chinook]

So let's say teams started calling trying to buy Simmons'. What is the least you'd take for him?

[Chinook]

Marc Stein ✔ @ESPNSteinLine
Hearing more and more teams say today they believe Detroit will NOT discourage trade inquiries for center Andre Drummond this week.

How much would you add to Pau to make this happen?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Marc Stein ✔ @ESPNSteinLine
Hearing more and more teams say today they believe Detroit will NOT discourage trade inquiries for center Andre Drummond this week.

How much would you add to Pau to make this happen?

Drummond is a bit of an empty stats guy, he's not a good scorer, he clogs the paint and he hates to switch on guards on the PnR.

He'd be too expensive for not that much impact. Besides, if Detroit are trading him they'd most likely look for picks and young talent, which the Spurs don't have.

[cd98]

Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojVerticalNBA
Lakers make Magic Johnson President of Basketball Operations, fire GM Mitch Kupchak and Jim Buss, team says.

How do you fire Jim Buss? That is going to be one interesting family feud. And poor Mitch, yes his presentation may suck, but he did get the Lakers titles and he could have rebuilt faster but for the Kobe noose. Magic will screw this one up. If you want to trade Parker, you can get a NJ like heist from Magic.

[look_at_g_shred]

Is lou williams really better than Patty? C'mon now jesus.

[look_at_g_shred]

Pau and and a 2nd for Dieng

[SAGirl]

So let's say teams started calling trying to buy Simmons'. What is the least you'd take for him?
... I think Spurs are standing pat for better or worse.
Moving guys in cheap contracts in the fringes does nothing for you if you have issues with any of your guys 1-8 ... We can say they are fine with their known weakness but I think I am with Gambit and his cliche... if you don't explore deals involving Tony ... then you may as well stand pat. And the bench is fine unless Manu goes TOSB at the wrong time and if Pop doesn't address that then there's nothing much to talk about.

Jonhny Simmons is not going to be costing the Spurs a championship and he's in a really cheap contract.

[SAGirl]

Marc Stein ✔ @ESPNSteinLine
Hearing more and more teams say today they believe Detroit will NOT discourage trade inquiries for center Andre Drummond this week.

How much would you add to Pau to make this happen?
Not a Drummond fan frankly.
I pass.

[Spurs9]

What if Boston got Paul George?

[Chinook]

Drummond is a bit of an empty stats guy, he's not a good scorer, he clogs the paint and he hates to switch on guards on the PnR.

He'd be too expensive for not that much impact. Besides, if Detroit are trading him they'd most likely look for picks and young talent, which the Spurs don't have.

Thinking SVG just wants to get rid of Drums at this point. I'm not sure I trust his judgment on Andre's viability, though he'd know if there were character issues. I doubt if they move him they get something really good for him. Despite the vehement denials from "sources", I totally think Cousins set the market.

Having multiple dominant rebounders would be fascinating, since I believe that's the way to beat GS more than having a strong post guy.

[mo7888]

With some of these GM's being desperate right now there are real opportunities to upgrade if we were willing to discuss trading a few of our favored vets.. Opportunity knocks..

[TheGreatYacht]

834119303700025344

Somebody please wake his DUI ass up :lol the season of fleecing is about to begin..

Paddy Mills + 2026 second rounder for Lou Williams..
You just know Magic is desperate to make some deals :lol Someone bail RC out of the drunk tank

[$pursDynasty]

LMAO. So should we try and get Lou Williams or nah?
PLEASE I have been begging for this for a minute. It was cost us a microwave and a fathead though, and that's a price I am willing to pay. More minutes for Dijon.

[HarlemHeat37]

Don't really see any positive, realistic moves for the Spurs, tbh..no assets to trade for a big-name player and no realistic fit for lesser known guys..

Only thing I could see would be a move for a 4th wing, but I can't think of anybody(somebody like Wilson Chandler would cost too much for a 4th wing)..

[$pursDynasty]

Spurs could use a bonafide scorer for the 2nd unit to carry it. Lou Williams could fill the Jamal Crawford/Manu Ginobilli main bench scorer spot. He seems to be a more reliable scorer than Patty and the only thing we would lose from Fathead is his good defense.

[spursistan]

I would rather have Pau than Drummond, tbh.. :lol

[Chinook]

Matt Barnes makes too much sense as the fourth wing. Why, oh why did he have to get with Eva?

[szkorhetz]

Fucking double.
Sorry.

[szkorhetz]

I would still take a look at McLemore, TBH.

Offer Forbes and a second.


Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557): Agreed, but no way he would choose us before Cavs or Warriors or even fucking Clippers, TBH.

[apalisoc_9]

Barnes workouts with Kawhi every year. He's got that commection but it might be too embarrasing for Tonys Manlihood s its verh unlikely...

But man he's a perfect 12th guy. :lol

[CGD]

So let's say teams started calling trying to buy Simmons'. What is the least you'd take for him?

If anyone is offering a late first for him or Anderson, you take it if you're the Spurs. Like those guys, but it'd be like flipping a fixer upper house for a tidy profit. Spurs are also going to have to pay those dudes at some point, and am not sure they really want to.

[SAGirl]

I could see a shooter being brought in but Barnes is at 33% from 3 for this season and playing very poorly for SAC.
One of these days any time now he can hit the TOSB wall and it might very well be this season... like K. Martin.

Just no.

If Spurs really want a shooter to mix in with Simmons for when he's passing up shots, bring up a real one. Forbes is riding the pine anyway but Barnes is not having a good season shooting.

[HarlemHeat37]

If anyone is offering a late first for him or Anderson, you take it if you're the Spurs. Like those guys, but it'd be like flipping a fixer upper house for a tidy profit. Spurs are also going to have to pay those dudes at some point, and am not sure they really want to.

Zach Lowe and Marc Stein just had a podcast and said that teams are going to be very lucky if they even get a 1st round pick for established players, this week..

[Mal]

As ESPN reported, Derrick Favors has long been suspected as the odd man out in Utah, with Trey Lyles waiting in the wings and the uncertain success of his pairing with Defensive Player of the Year frontrunner Rudy Gobert. Favors would be an intriguing fit in Boston should the Celtics strike out on Butler or George. The San Antonio possibility would be fascinating, but how enticing are bottom-five first-rounders and Kyle Anderson? Utah faces a critical off–season with both Gordon Hayward and George Hill entering free agency. There moves at the deadline will signal the team’s intentions moving forward.

Dont get it. Sure put Spurs there, knowing they have none assets to go for player like Favours

[Spurs9]

:pop: We don't need any moves, Parker and Anderson will lead us to the finals

[HarlemHeat37]

Why would SA want more bigs? They're already loaded in the frontcourt, even the 5th big would be getting minutes on most teams..

[spursistan]

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Larry Bird :lol

[Mal]

So let's say teams started calling trying to buy Simmons'. What is the least you'd take for him?

Boston have shitload of picks in 2nd round. If one of them is mid 2nd round, well. And Boston should unload one of their players, from that stack roster. Rozier or Young. This could be part of bigger Celtics trade, since they`ll probably trade Bradley/Crowder/Smart for Butler. Adding Simmons energy, defense, could help them.

[Mal]

834134729553244160

Larry Bird :lol

It`s good trade, if Pacers are giving them mid 1st round pick with TOP 3 protection, just in case.

[HarlemHeat37]

Don't mind trading for Okafor, but :lol a young Al Jefferson after you just signed the real Al Jefferson to 10 mil/year..

[NASpurs]

Dont get it. Sure put Spurs there, knowing they have none assets to go for player like Favours


But det core tho :cry

STPokemon would find some way to spin this shit if the Spurs traded for him. :downspin:

http://www.si.com/nba/2017/02/21/nba-trade-deadline-preview-rumors-reports-primer-teams

That's the link to Mal's snippet.

[$pursDynasty]

we aren't moving the Juice for no other reason than how well he played against the Dubs in game one of the season, if he is a problem for them that is reason enough to keep him over the ham sandwich we would get as compensation for trading him.

[Mal]

Spurs could move their pick, Green is 10 mil available filler. Other assets - Dedmon, Mills, Simmon, Anderson, Milutinov. :lmao Bufford is probably not having his phone in his pocket.

[CGD]

If the Spurs do anything, it'll be a small swap for misfits like in 2013 with Daye/De Colo. I think it's an chance to be opportunistic

[CGD]

Favors needs to show he can be heathy first, but I like him. Will like to see where he is next October or so.

Then Spurs can then ship LMA to Phoenix for assets (*stirs pot*)

[Chinook]

If the Spurs do anything, it'll be a small swap for misfits like in 2013 with Daye/De Colo. I think it's an chance to be opportunistic

2014 but yeah. Don't see that being an option this year. The Spurs have young guys at every position except maybe center.

[spursistan]

Why would SA want more bigs? They're already loaded in the frontcourt, even the 5th big would be getting minutes on most teams..

It probably has to do with general trend/direction of the NBA,but who would have thought the Spurs would cope with the decline and eventual retirement of Duncan better than that of Parker/Ginobili? For a third straight playoffs they are going to die there because their lack of answers in the back-court..

[TD 21]

I'd be shocked if the Spurs made a move. Last season, an established wing shooter stuck out like a sore thumb. This season, there's no glaring hole, from a depth perspective.

Favors, if he can get healthy and at least close to where he was, would actually be a near ideal long term compliment to Aldridge (or Gasol, though he's too old to call it long term). The irony is, the only way he ends up a Spur anytime soon, is if Aldridge wants out. In that scenario, the 3 way trade I proposed a few months ago (contingent on Favors/Burks health and extent of recovery: Aldridge to Suns; Favors/Burks to Spurs; Bender to Jazz), would make sense . . .

- Spurs get Aldridge/Ginobili replacements and remain one of better teams
- Suns get established star and Aldridge gets to go to team he nearly chose
- Jazz get out from a lot of money, making it more palatable to re-sign Hayward, Hill and eventually Hood, plus get a possible better long term fit next to Gobert.


- If Bird were intelligent, he'd realize there's no immediate path back to contention and the writing is on the wall with George. The sooner they come to grips with that, the more they can maximize the return from the Celtics. If one of the Nets picks became as good as advertised, then between that, Turner and the other quality pieces in the package, they could be well on their way to a quick re-build.

- Forman and Paxson should do the same with Butler, though he's locked up for longer and seems to want to stay, at least for now.

[SAGirl]

If the Spurs do anything, it'll be a small swap for misfits like in 2013 with Daye/De Colo. I think it's an chance to be opportunistic
And they really only did that bc De Colo asked to be traded bc he wanted to go back to Europe bc he wasn't playing for Pop at all. And the Spurs arguably got a worse player for him in Daye but it didn't matter bc neither guy was going to play.

Any of those guys in small contracts are not going to get traded by themselves... so its going to be crickets.

[$pursDynasty]

will the Lakers be willing to lose Lou now that Magic is in charge? before now I thought the game plan was tank to keep the pick but now I am not sure Magic's ego will let the Lakers go on a losing streak after he comes in.

[DPG21920]

^^

it is now a striking reality that Dallas are the worst team in the Southwest division and have by far the worst future outlook of all those teams...

Cuban and the Mavs FO have had this undeserved "smart rep" attached to them for bit too long..they went from NBA champions to a bottom 5 conference team in matter of 6 years before Dirk even retires..

Ironically it's because they did what every fan on here wants SA to do every year which is chase big names and always try to make splashy moves, blow everything up. Hopefully SA fans see how that works out the vast majority of the time.

[GSH]

Ironically it's because they did what every fan on here wants SA to do every year which is chase big names and always try to make splashy moves, blow everything up. Hopefully SA fans see how that works out the vast majority of the time.


Dallas blew up a reigning Championship team. The Spurs had sort of a unique opportunity, because they could have kept an incredibly strong nucleus. There's a big difference between blowing a team up, and taking a year to rebuild.

I've tried to figure out what the hell Cuban was thinking. The only thing I could come up with is that he saw the repeat offender tax coming, but didn't see the big increase in cap coming. If that's not it, then either he was just a dumbshit who got lucky making all that money, or he was having cash flow problems at the time.

[BillMc]

Ironically it's because they did what every fan on here wants SA to do every year which is chase big names and always try to make splashy moves, blow everything up. Hopefully SA fans see how that works out the vast majority of the time.

Post of the day!:toast

[SAGirl]

Spurs could move their pick, Green is 10 mil available filler. Other assets - Dedmon, Mills, Simmon, Anderson, Milutinov. :lmao Bufford is probably not having his phone in his pocket.

You know guys in the fringes are not going to net you a contributor by themselves (Anderson, Forbes, etc, and Milutinov is not even looking like all that much in Europe, he could be LJC part 2. I mean I hope not, but Spurs are not getting anything for him by himself you know that. He might not even be an NBA player, we don't know.)

Then all of Dedmon, Mills and Simmons are FA in the summer. If you want them and you are a GM you just go after them in the summer. (Simmons is a RFA, but he can be pried away bc I don't think the Spurs would aim to retain him at any price.) It is just unnecessary if you are a GM to be giving up assets for any of these guys when they will be FA in the summer.

That is why trades for Mills don't make any sense. How is he any different from Lou Williams for the Lakers. If the Lakers trade Lou they will want a real asset, a promising youngster, etc. (not Anderson, bc they have Ingram.. :lol You have to give up a young asset for Lou for example, Mills isn't it when he's going to be a FA just as well. And you are not arguing lets give up DAvis or Dijon for Lou? right? So there is no trade there.

What is the point of discussing the other rotation players if we know Pop and RC are not looking to trade them out? I mean we could talk about the rotation players being involved in trades like Danny, but we haven't heard even the slightest rumor that any of those guys are up for trade.

The only rumor was for lamarcus if we are honest.

[rjv]

i don't mind getting matt barnes but only if we can get derrick fisher too.

[tonight...you]

You know guys in the fringes are not going to net you a contributor by themselves (Anderson, Forbes, etc, and Milutinov is not even looking like all that much in Europe, he could be LJC part 2. I mean I hope not, but Spurs are not getting anything for him by himself you know that. He might not even be an NBA player, we don't know.)

Then all of Dedmon, Mills and Simmons are FA in the summer. If you want them and you are a GM you just go after them in the summer. (Simmons is a RFA, but he can be pried away bc I don't think the Spurs would aim to retain him at any price.) It is just unnecessary if you are a GM to be giving up assets for any of these guys when they will be FA in the summer.

That is why trades for Mills don't make any sense. How is he any different from Lou Williams for the Lakers. If the Lakers trade Lou they will want a real asset, a promising youngster, etc. (not Anderson, bc they have Ingram.. :lol You have to give up a young asset for Lou for example, Mills isn't it when he's going to be a FA just as well. And you are not arguing lets give up DAvis or Dijon for Lou? right? So there is no trade there.

What is the point of discussing the other rotation players if we know Pop and RC are not looking to trade them out? I mean we could talk about the rotation players being involved in trades like Danny, but we haven't heard even the slightest rumor that any of those guys are up for trade.

The only rumor was for lamarcus if we are honest.
#WomanOnFire

[DPG21920]

IMO, Spurs cannot trade any guards/ball handlers unless they improve their on court product or get a top 20 pick.

[DPG21920]

But honestly, Im coming around more to trading Mills to open up time for Murray. At first I was really against trading Mills for a pick, but now? I think the Spurs need a jolt and Murray is the only one I can see that can possibly provide that.

[GSH]

But honestly, Im coming around more to trading Mills to open up time for Murray. At first I was really against trading Mills for a pick, but now? I think the Spurs need a jolt and Murray is the only one I can see that can possibly provide that.


I read the first sentence about freeing up time for Murray, and it sounded like getting ready for next season. But then you talked about "needing a jolt" - you're talking about rolling the dice on a rookie for this post-season?

I've said all along, Mills isn't a PG and I don't think Tony can keep up the necessary level of play for four 7-game series against playoff teams. I was in favor of a rebuilding year. But since they didn't do that, I'd much rather see them roll the dice than die a slow death.

The big problem with Murray is that he just about doesn't shoot anything but floaters, unless he has a clear lane to get to the rim. The last few times I've seen him, it was pretty obvious that the defense understood that, too. Making a move toward him would be one hell of a commitment.

[MaNu4Tres]

But honestly, Im coming around more to trading Mills to open up time for Murray. At first I was really against trading Mills for a pick, but now? I think the Spurs need a jolt and Murray is the only one I can see that can possibly provide that.

I've felt this for the past 3 months. I hope it happens. Murray in the rotation at back up PG gives the Spurs a higher ceiling overall. It's worth the gamble considering his skill set and how he's NOT a net negative defensively.

[DPG21920]

I read the first sentence about freeing up time for Murray, and it sounded like getting ready for next season. But then you talked about "needing a jolt" - you're talking about rolling the dice on a rookie for this post-season?

I've said all along, Mills isn't a PG and I don't think Tony can keep up the necessary level of play for four 7-game series against playoff teams. I was in favor of a rebuilding year. But since they didn't do that, I'd much rather see them roll the dice than die a slow death.

The big problem with Murray is that he just about doesn't shoot anything but floaters, unless he has a clear lane to get to the rim. The last few times I've seen him, it was pretty obvious that the defense understood that, too. Making a move toward him would be one hell of a commitment.

I agree and I don't think SA will trade Mills for a pick for that exact reason. However, if SA could get a top 20 pick for Mills I would do it. I don't think the teams ceiling this year would be that much lower without Mills. Probably would be and Im probably underselling Mills at the moment. But Murray at least, even if it's a slim chance this year, has a higher ceiling. With what he can do getting to the basket, rebounding and defensively? Might be something that up's the bench's ceiling and helps in case TP goes down this year with him being more ready.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/834201053692325889

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) 49s (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/834201053692325889) The Lakers are finalizing a trade to send guard Lou Williams to the Houston Rockets, league sources tell @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/).

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(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) 10s (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/834201218608152577) The Rockets are sending Corey Brewer and a first-round pick to the Lakers for Lou Williams, league source tells @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/).

[bklynspursfan]

Rockets getting Lou Williams for Brewer

[Ron Swanson]

Rockets are sending Corey Brewer and a 1st round pick to the Lakers for Lou Williams.

[CGD]

I guess Rockets couldn't get a deal for Wilson chandler. Good pick up for them with Lou.

[Spurs9]

Good pickup for Houston

[DPG21920]

Damn, really nice get for HOU. Brewer just was not doing anything and this gives them an even more potent guard rotation with Harden, Gordon, Lou and Bev.

A first round pick is a lot to give up for Lou, but basketball wise looks like a good grab. Another team in SA's division improves.

[DPG21920]

LA basically just bought the 27th pick in the draft for 500K.

[TD 21]

This trade could have a negative affect on the Rockets chemistry because Williams is a bad fit. He overlaps with Gordon and though they'll likely split touches, Williams will play less minutes and they'll be small on the wings.

I guess they couldn't get Chandler for the same package, but he'd have been a much better fit.

[TheGreatYacht]

http://speakerdata2.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/image/818735/442889022.jpg

[cd98]

Maybe Lakers will drop Brewer. He's a player the Spurs have wanted for years.

[RD2191]

:lmao our front office is a joke

[RD2191]

Lou gonna murder our back court. :lol

[cd98]

Everything I read about Lue Williams is that his game doesn't translate in the playoffs.

[apalisoc_9]

This trade could have a negative affect on the Rockets chemistry because Williams is a bad fit. He overlaps with Gordon and though they'll likely split touches, Williams will play less minutes and they'll be small on the wings.

I guess they couldn't get Chandler for the same package, but he'd have been a much better fit.

No brainer really. Anyone wouls be better than Brewer and Lou happens to be a top 3 bench player in the nba this year.

[TD 21]

No brainer really. Anyone wouls be better than Brewer and Lou happens to be a top 3 bench player in the nba this year.

Not if it has a negative impact on chemistry. They're not an overly talented team, which makes strong chemistry especially important.

Maybe he helps tilt a series versus the Spurs (though I'm skeptical he'll get the minutes/usage to make them significantly more explosive), but he's a terrible fit against the Warriors.

[DPG21920]

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Sucks to see that so many decent enough guards are being swooped up. Teams with an already better guard situation are bolstering their depth.

NO (likely playoff team) bolstered their team in a big way, HOU (definitely a playoff team) added to their already deep guard rotation and now UTA (another solid PO team) adding to their guard depth.

Spurs probably can't go crazy with a trades, but getting some depth (even if they *might* not play) is a damn good idea. Spurs can't afford to fall behind in that guard department any more than they already are.

[RD2191]

Chemistry? Lol. Scrubs like lou live to play the spurs. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the reason we don't get past Houston in the playoffs.

[MaNu4Tres]

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Sucks to see that so many decent enough guards are being swooped up. Teams with an already better guard situation are bolstering their depth.

NO (likely playoff team) bolstered their team in a big way, HOU (definitely a playoff team) added to their already deep guard rotation and now UTA (another solid PO team) adding to their guard depth.

Spurs probably can't go crazy with a trades, but getting some depth (even if they *might* not play) is a damn good idea. Spurs can't afford to fall behind in that guard department any more than they already are.

Jazz and Rockets aren't trading for 3rd stringers though. They are upgrading their back up PG position. It's pointless to trade for a new 13th-15th man. IMO

[gospursgojas]

Great trade for Hou

[RGMCSE]

We already have the guards and a better younger play maker in Murray. We don't need to trade shit.

[SAGirl]

Rockets getting Lou Williams for Brewer
And a 1st round pick.

[TheDoctor]

http://speakerdata2.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/image/818735/442889022.jpg
Literally. What a fucking joke:pctoss

[DPG21920]

We already have the guards and a better younger play maker in Murray. We don't need to trade shit.

Harden, Gordon, Lou & Bev are way better than TP, Mills, Manu, Murray.

[RD2191]

Harden, Gordon, Lou & Bev are way better than TP, Mills, Manu, Murray.

I have to agree with the dude here.

[Ice009]

Well, this trade deadline is turning out like shit so far for the Spurs. Our guard rotation is so weak and our competition is loading up. Nearly every Western Conference team + whatever team is likely to make the finals has superior guard play to ours.

Pop should have been playing Murray. I have no idea what the fuck he's doing with Parker, Mills, Manu, Green.

Get on the phone with Chicago and at least offer Green, Mills + a pick or whatever else they might want for Jimmy Butler. If the Bulls say no, no problem, at least make an offer.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Chemistry? Lol. Scrubs like lou live to play the spurs. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the reason we don't get past Houston in the playoffs.

:lmao

[Holden_Caulfield]

the lakers should trade that pick for okafor tbh

[tbdog]

Harden, Gordon, Lou & Bev are way better than TP, Mills, Manu, Murray.

Leonard, Green, Anderon, Gasol, Lee, LMA, Dedmon are far bettr than Ariza, Mcdaniels, Nene, Andeson, etc etc

[RD2191]

:lmao

Don't call me crying when it happens. If Austin Rivers could screw Patty I have no doubt Lou Williams can.

[Strategic]

No worries, there will always be corpses like Andre Miller or Kevin Martin available later on.

[TheDoctor]

Don't call me crying when it happens. If Austin Rivers could screw Patty I have no doubt Lou Williams can.

Lou would set personal records after personal records vs Patty tbh

[RD2191]

Lou would set personal records after personal records vs Patty tbh

No shit:lol

[bklynspursfan]

Well, this trade deadline is turning out like shit so far for the Spurs. Our guard rotation is so weak and our competition is loading up. Nearly every Western Conference team + whatever team is likely to make the finals has superior guard play to ours.

Pop should have been playing Murray. I have no idea what the fuck he's doing with Parker, Mills, Manu, Green.

Get on the phone with Chicago and at least offer Green, Mills + a pick or whatever else they might want for Jimmy Butler. If the Bulls say no, no problem, at least make an offer.

How do we know they aren't on the phone tho? People think cause it's not out there that they are just sitting here doing nothing. But I'd be shocked if they don't do their due diligence when there's obvious needs for the team

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Our front office is a joke. RC and pop are probably in Jamaica right now, banging some Jamaican escorts.

[james evans]

I don't even know if Popovich cares about winning anymore. i think he just wants to go to work and leave without any resistance from players wtf. We got teams basically giving away players for nothing and we aren't offering anything.

[NASpurs]

Our front office is a joke. RC and pop are probably in Jamaica right now, banging some Jamaican escorts.

Just waiting to scrape the bottom of the barrel as soon as the buyouts start to happen.

[coachmac87]

I don't even know if Popovich cares about winning anymore. i think he just wants to go to work and leave without any resistance from players wtf. We got teams basically giving away players for nothing and we aren't offering anything.


Do you honestly believe the shit that comes out of your mouth?

[spurs10]

Lord there is some really incredible speculation going on here giving little credit to a FO that has basically created the most winning team in all team sports for the last two decades. :lol

[Floyd Pacquiao]

..

[TheDoctor]

No worries, there will always be corpses like Andre Miller or Kevin Martin available later on.

To be fucking honest. How the Spurs can stand pat when there's a Freetanga of players all over the League? Lou Williams is the next playoffs Spurs' killer. And Roxs just grabbed him for Corey Sewer. Unbelievable :bang

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Just waiting to scrape the bottom of the barrel as soon as the buyouts start to happen.

Omri casspi and C.J Watson come on down!

[Mr. Body]

There's always a bunch of tards who see trades other tanks make as the greatest ever. These people are morons.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lord there is some really incredible speculation going on here giving little credit to a FO that has basically created the most winning team in all team sports for the last two decades. :lol
Greatest PF ever

[DPG21920]

Leonard, Green, Anderon, Gasol, Lee, LMA, Dedmon are far bettr than Ariza, Mcdaniels, Nene, Andeson, etc etc

Sure, Spurs are ahead of those teams so they "needed" moves more than SA did. However, these other playoff teams are improving in the Spurs weakest area where SA was already behind. It sucks for two reasons: 1. Spurs seemingly could have added depth (whether they play or not) & 2. It gives teams a bigger advantage and closes the gap with regards to exploiting SA's biggest weakeness.

[SpursFan86]

Lou Williams probably doesn't push Houston ahead of us, but god damn is it going to be annoying playing against him and Harden (two of the biggest foul-drawers in the league). And as others have alluded to, our weak guard rotation won't help either.

[DPG21920]

Lord there is some really incredible speculation going on here giving little credit to a FO that has basically created the most winning team in all team sports for the last two decades. :lol

Hope that is not how what I said is reading. I'm just making an observation that SA's playoff competition (possibly) is improving their guard play and the costs seem pretty reasonable. Some decent players are seemingly available for pretty decent prices when the Spurs have a weakness (despite the weakness, SA is still ahead of most teams so it is what it is).

It's never good to see playoff teams improving (even if you are ahead of them).

[NASpurs]

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[TheGreatYacht]

Lou Williams is gone, wouldn't mind Will Barton

[SpursFan86]

I wonder what someone would have to do to get Jokic. Not that I see it happening or have heard anything; I'm just legitimately curious what type of offer someone would need to come up with pry him away. Could Boston offer the Nets' pick + another piece and get him? Wonder if Denver really realizes what they have with Jokic or not. For the first part of the season he was hardly even getting 20 mpg :lol

[TheDoctor]

Meanwhile, the Spurs passing on players like:

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[SpursIndonesia]

Well, it's certainly not a tough call for the clippers since they're the ones making the offer. I suspect Griffin has shown signs of potentially wanting to sign elsewhere once his contract is up otherwise, this isn't a deal the clippers would offer.

Is Griffin interested to be Westbrook's running mate in OKC ?