Trade Deadline Watch

[RGMCSE]

Harden, Gordon, Lou & Bev are way better than TP, Mills, Manu, Murray.


I have to agree with the dude here.


Sure, Spurs are ahead of those teams so they "needed" moves more than SA did. However, these other playoff teams are improving in the Spurs weakest area where SA was already behind. It sucks for two reasons: 1. Spurs seemingly could have added depth (whether they play or not) & 2. It gives teams a bigger advantage and closes the gap with regards to exploiting SA's biggest weakeness.

Yall mofuckas are scared or what?

[james evans]

Do you honestly believe the shit that comes out of your mouth?
go fuck your mother, faggot

[DPG21920]

Just an FYI - Woj just did a Facebook Live Q&A. From what I can see only briefly touched on SA and basically said they are staying put.

[TheGreatYacht]

Just an FYI - Woj just did a Facebook Live Q&A. From what I can see only briefly touched on SA and basically said they are staying put.
Lazy ass fucking GM. That cute little Magic blowout made these faggots comfortable

Peter Holt needs to start firing mfs

[Nathan89]

Pop's probably chewing on his next political rant. Meanwhile the Spurs just got on the fast lane to second round exit.

[Mr. Body]

Just an FYI - Woj just did a Facebook Live Q&A. From what I can see only briefly touched on SA and basically said they are staying put.

Makes sense. They have nothing to trade that would get anything of equal or better value.

[james evans]

Makes sense. They have nothing to trade that would get anything of equal or better value.
Exactly what did houston give the Lakers and the Pelcians give to Sacramento?

[palangi]

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Sucks to see that so many decent enough guards are being swooped up. Teams with an already better guard situation are bolstering their depth.

NO (likely playoff team) bolstered their team in a big way, HOU (definitely a playoff team) added to their already deep guard rotation and now UTA (another solid PO team) adding to their guard depth.

Spurs probably can't go crazy with a trades, but getting some depth (even if they *might* not play) is a damn good idea. Spurs can't afford to fall behind in that guard department any more than they already are.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

Jazz get

Danny green
Patty Mills
KA
David Lee


Spurs Get

Derrick Favors
Trey Lyles
Rodney Hood
Then bring Hollis Thompson up from Austin.

[look_at_g_shred]

Well hopefully we can nab Evans if he gets bought out

[RGMCSE]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

Jazz get

Danny green
Patty Mills
KA
David Lee


Spurs Get

Derrick Favors
Trey Lyles
Rodney Hood
Then bring Hollis Thompson up from Austin.


Utah would skull fuck the shit out of us if that trade happened. As it is Utah will be a tough out based on athletism alone.

[DPG21920]

Like most of us knew was the likely course, Woj discussed (didn't hear, just asked someone who did) SA very unlikely to trade but are going to be active on buyouts.

[spursistan]

The Rockets are doubling down on "all offense or bust"..I don't think they can beat Golden State at that game, but they could cause Spurs trouble if their shooters are hot enough in the series and ours are hitting a valley..

Between Manu's injury, Mills becoming inconsistent as hell, Anderson/Simmons/Bertans all unproven, i fear for the Spurs second unit getting eaten up in that match-up like against OKC's in last postseason..

It just feels like the Spurs need a move..there are like half dozen players in the current rotation who could be unplayable for one reason or another..:lol

[Leetonidas]

Lol anyone who was expecting the spurs to make a trade obviously hasn't been following them very long tbh

[Mr. Body]

Exactly what did houston give the Lakers and the Pelcians give to Sacramento?

The spurs aren't giving up a first round pick for fucking Lou Williams and they wouldn't take Cousins for free.

[gambit1990]

pop doesn't have to answer to anyone/won't be held accountable anytime soon.

[HarlemHeat37]

What a strange meltdown over Lou Williams, tbh:lol

He's having a great season, but can't ignore that he's one of the worst playoff performers of this generation..his career TS% in 41 playoff games is 46.8%, which is historically bad..

As I said earlier in this thread, most players who rely heavily on fouls(flailing, flopping, etc) don't perform well in the playoffs..

[gambit1990]

also, you don't trade patty unless it's for something significant. you don't trade him simply because he may not resign next year. he is more valuable to us this season than tony is.

[BatManu20]

Lol anyone who was expecting the spurs to make a trade obviously hasn't been following them very long tbh

[palangi]

Utah would skull fuck the shit out of us if that trade happened. As it is Utah will be a tough out based on athletism alone.

I guess your higher on green and Mills than I am.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

People are crazy about trades every season. Even championship seasons, the fans that think theyre coaches. There's nothing out there that makes sense. I like that this team is betting on their players instead of going in blind. Damn we acquired some pretty awesome players before the season started. What more do you want?

[TimDunkem]

Fucking Groundhog Day in here. The Spurs almost never make trades. Whether they should or not is besides the point - what are you really expecting?

[DPG21920]

This should be a solid buyout market which is where SA has excelled. It's awesome that SA is a destination now. Players actually want to come here.

It's sort of the cool thing to be a Spur now :lol

But there is no denying a lot of teams are improving both short-term and longer-term. I just dont get why our division is always so damn brutal. Do no other divisions want to win? GTFO Southwest Division.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Oh yeah, and we have the second best record in the NBA with the guys we have.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Lazy ass fucking GM. That cute little Magic blowout made these faggots comfortable

Peter Holt needs to start firing mfs

He doesent even have control of the team anymore, his wife does...

[TheGreatYacht]

People are crazy about trades every season. Even championship seasons, the fans that think theyre coaches. There's nothing out there that makes sense. I like that this team is betting on their players instead of going in blind. Damn we acquired some pretty awesome players before the season started. What more do you want?
1 championship in 10 years. Bunch of geniuses running the front office. Products of Duncan

[gambit1990]

Oh yeah, and we have the second best record in the NBA with the guys we have.
the league is pretty watered down.

[JR3]

What a strange meltdown over Lou Williams, tbh:lol

He's having a great season, but can't ignore that he's one of the worst playoff performers of this generation..his career TS% in 41 playoff games is 46.8%, which is historically bad..

As I said earlier in this thread, most players who rely heavily on fouls(flailing, flopping, etc) don't perform well in the playoffs..
This!

[TheGreatYacht]

Nothing worse than casuals who are okay with being reg season paper tigers and second round exit fodder

[apalisoc_9]

1 championship in 10 years. Bunch of geniuses running the front office. Products of Duncan

[NASpurs]

Nothing worse than casuals who are okay with being reg season paper tigers and second round exit fodder

Replace "casuals" with "the front office " and you'll find something worse.

[HarlemHeat37]

What's funny about many posters here is that they'll shit on certain Spurs players and call them scrubs(Green, Mills, Anderson, etc) but then use those same guys in their trade scenarios for star players:lol

"Green and Mills suck, but maybe we can trade them for Anthony Davis!!"

"Kyle Anderson is the worst player in the NBA, but I think we could get Isaiah Thomas for him!"

[DPG21920]

That is puro SpursTalk Holmes

[Crazymaddopeyo]

1 championship in 10 years. Bunch of geniuses running the front office. Products of Duncan
I can give you a list of teams that have it worse and they do make trades. My point is when you're doing this good it's not easy to risk that when you can end up making shit worse. The front office went out and got Dedmon, Lee and Pau. Fools like you will never be happy.

[gambit1990]

spurs biggest problem is playing parker as many minutes as they do.

[Hoops Czar]

What a strange meltdown over Lou Williams, tbh:lol

He's having a great season, but can't ignore that he's one of the worst playoff performers of this generation..his career TS% in 41 playoff games is 46.8%, which is historically bad..

As I said earlier in this thread, most players who rely heavily on fouls(flailing, flopping, etc) don't perform well in the playoffs..

I disagree. Ginobili's made a career out of it and he turned out pretty OK.

[TheGreatYacht]

I can give you a list of teams that have it worse and they do make trades. My point is when you're doing this good it's not easy to risk that when you can end up making shit worse. The front office went out and got Dedmon, Lee and Pau. Fools like you will never be happy.
At the end of the day, as shitty as the Mavs have been. They still had the same amount of success as us over the past decade.

Delusional casuals like yourself only encourage PATFO to be fat and happy

[DPG21920]

There is no argument to be made that Dallas has had the level of success as SA :lol Get outta here lol

[TheGreatYacht]

There is no argument to be made that Dallas has had the level of success as SA :lol Get outta here lol
1 championship in a decade = 1 championship in a decade

lmao regular season warriors

[Crazymaddopeyo]

At the end of the day, as shitty as the Mavs have been. They still had the same amount of success as us over the past decade.

Delusional casuals like yourself only encourage PATFO to be fat and happy

Good job dodging the fact that I mentioned them actually going out and getting good players and you wanting more. You think they got those players to not compete for a championshi! Lmao "casual fan" get out of here kid.

[TXstbobcat]

1 championship in a decade = 1 championship in a decade

lmao regular season warriors

Spurs will be playing in the playoffs and the Mavericks will be sitting at home watching the playoffs.

[cool cat]

1 championship in a decade = 1 championship in a decade

lmao regular season warriors

What the hell are you talking about we won 2 out of the last 10 championships.

Only Lakers and Heat have had that kind of success, and they are not even playoff teams anymore.

[TheGreatYacht]

What the hell are you talking about we won 2 out of the last 10 championships.

Only Lakers and Heat have had that kind of success, and they are not even playoff teams anymore.
Should've been more specific. 1 ring in 9 1/2 years. Soon to be 1 in 10 with the shit guards on the team

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Should've been more specific. 1 ring in 9 1/2 years. Soon to be 1 in 10 with the shit guards on the team

So two championships in ten years. Better than the Warriors and the Cavs.

[rasuo214]

If the Spurs are going to get something of value they will need to trade something valuable. You can't expect Mills/Anderson/Forbes etc to get much in return. Other teams would likely want Murray and/or Bertans. I don't see the Spurs going that route but I'd still like them to trade for someone like McLemore or Barton. The team desperately needs to improve it's guards.

[cool cat]

Should've been more specific. 1 ring in 9 1/2 years. Soon to be 1 in 10 with the shit guards on the team

It's not about being specific you were just wrong. Anyways, your arbitrary 1 ring in 9 1/2 years means there are no current playoff teams that have been more successful then the Mavs.

[Dancelot]

Nets are only wanting a 1st and 2nd round pick for Lopez, not too bad at all.

[ElNono]

What's funny about many posters here is that they'll shit on certain Spurs players and call them scrubs(Green, Mills, Anderson, etc) but then use those same guys in their trade scenarios for star players:lol

"Green and Mills suck, but maybe we can trade them for Anthony Davis!!"

"Kyle Anderson is the worst player in the NBA, but I think we could get Isaiah Thomas for him!"

paging Hoops Czar :lol "Let's package Dejuan Blair, who sucks, for Kevin Love"

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Do people who wanted the Spurs to trade for Lou Williams would also want them to keep Dedmon? If they want to keep him at a price above MLE then they'd need to increase the cap space, not reduce it by taking on longer contracts.

[Ice009]

Jimmy Butler is my main target. Do you think the Spurs have any interest, or do you guys think that Chicago wouldn't want anything we can offer? I'd be open to trading anyone not named Kawhi or LaMarcus for him. Not sure if I'd add Dedmon to that no-trade list. I'd even consider Lamarcus too if we get a decent PF back in return. Murray, I wouldn't have a problem with including either as I'm pretty sure Jimmy can play PG too? If they could somehow get him without trading Kawhi or LaMarcus, I think that would be a pretty great trio to have and build around.

Are the Bulls looking to move him, or are they only interested if they get an offer that they really like? Are they looking to blow it up? I mean, they didn't make the playoffs last season and they're not looking too great this season either, so I wonder what they are looking to do?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Jimmy Butler is my main target. Do you think the Spurs have any interest, or do you guys think that Chicago wouldn't want anything we can offer? I'd be open to trading anyone not named Kawhi or LaMarcus for him. Not sure if I'd add Dedmon to that no-trade list. I'd even consider Lamarcus too if we get a decent PF back in return. Murray, I wouldn't have a problem with including either as I'm pretty sure Jimmy can play PG too? If they could somehow get him without trading Kawhi or LaMarcus, I think that would be a pretty great trio to have and build around.

Are the Bulls looking to move him, or are they only interested if they get an offer that they really like? Are they looking to blow it up? I mean, they didn't make the playoffs last season and they're not looking too great this season either, so I wonder what they are looking to do?

They want a Nets pick and 2 good young prospects. Spurs have none of this.

[Mal]

What's funny about many posters here is that they'll shit on certain Spurs players and call them scrubs(Green, Mills, Anderson, etc) but then use those same guys in their trade scenarios for star players:lol

"Green and Mills suck, but maybe we can trade them for Anthony Davis!!"

"Kyle Anderson is the worst player in the NBA, but I think we could get Isaiah Thomas for him!"

Imagine you`ve got Boogie Cousins for Hield, mid 1st round pick and fillers

[Mal]

Nets are only wanting a 1st and 2nd round pick for Lopez, not too bad at all.

29th and 59th wont get you there. Who`s filling to equal his salary ?

[tbdog]

They want a Nets pick and 2 good young prospects. Spurs have none of this.Yeh, the only hope is a 3rd team and package Green.

[SpursBig3s]

This should be a solid buyout market which is where SA has excelled. It's awesome that SA is a destination now. Players actually want to come here.

It's sort of the cool thing to be a Spur now :lol

But there is no denying a lot of teams are improving both short-term and longer-term. I just dont get why our division is always so damn brutal. Do no other divisions want to win? GTFO Southwest Division.


When is the deadline for the buyouts?

[SpursBig3s]

I disagree. Ginobili's made a career out of it and he turned out pretty OK.


comparing hall of fame Manu to fucking Lou Williams is disgraceful

[benefactor]

What's funny about many posters here is that they'll shit on certain Spurs players and call them scrubs(Green, Mills, Anderson, etc) but then use those same guys in their trade scenarios for star players:lol

"Green and Mills suck, but maybe we can trade them for Anthony Davis!!"

"Kyle Anderson is the worst player in the NBA, but I think we could get Isaiah Thomas for him!"
The Mexican posters are pretty easy to pick out in this place. If you've ever talked basketball with one you know exactly what I'm talking about.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yeh, the only hope is a 3rd team and package Green.

Only if the 3rd team took Butler :lol

[RGMCSE]

I guess your higher on green and Mills than I am.

Its more a chemistry thing tbh. I like some of those players from Utah in the hypothetical trade but I don't think that many players could mesh in our system by playoffs. Plus David lee has been an excellent signing and he fits perfect as a hussle bench catalyst. As for manu you can't replace that level of experience even though he's older than dirt. Playoffs are perfect for manu with the days rest he'll get in between games.

[DPG21920]

When is the deadline for the buyouts?

Players can be bought out at anytime however to be eligible for the playoffs with another team I believe it's March 1st.

[GSH]

What's funny about many posters here is that they'll shit on certain Spurs players and call them scrubs(Green, Mills, Anderson, etc) but then use those same guys in their trade scenarios for star players:lol

"Green and Mills suck, but maybe we can trade them for Anthony Davis!!"

"Kyle Anderson is the worst player in the NBA, but I think we could get Isaiah Thomas for him!"


Should still be in the running for Post Of The Year in December. :tu

[dabom]

paging Hoops Czar :lol "Let's package Dejuan Blair, who sucks, for Kevin Love"

:lol

[spursistan]

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Morey senses the opportunity: the Spurs don't scare anybody and are there for the taking..He will keep wheeling and dealing to shore up his team..

[spursistan]

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I'm not sure what Stan Van Gundy is trying to do..I don't think KCP is worth the max, but he shouldn't the first to be jettisoned if SVG is going to be blow this thing up..

[Chinook]

Until/Unless the Rockets find a way to stop running their offense through Harden so much, nothing will help them. That will be the death of them.

[CGD]

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Morey senses the opportunity: the Spurs don't scare anybody and are there for the taking..He will keep wheeling and dealing to shore up his team..

I think that applies to a lot of teams, lol. Those contracts are probably very valuable in the new CBA world. If Houston has shit contracts of course they're willing to move them for value deals like Lou's deal.

RC did his work early. With the exception of Parkers legacy/symbolic contract there are no bad deals on the roster right now. The only move that makes sense at this point is to swap misfits (Kyle) or players your gonna have to pay but don't want to (Simmons) with another team looking to do the same.

[spursistan]

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Ainge is a real moron..

[CGD]

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Ainge is a real moron..

So no Nets pick and no Crowder? Come on Ainge. What a stingy fuck.

Reminds me of that person on Craigslist selling a used 10 year old couch who's trying to sell it for the price of the new model of the same couch.

[spursistan]

So no Nets pick and no Crowder? Come on Ainge. What a stingy fuck.

Reminds me of that person on Craigslist selling a used 10 year old couch who's trying to sell it for the price of the new model of the same couch.

I now want them to stand pat and get destroyed either by Cavs or owned as per usual by the Raptors or the more seasoned Wizards, and then find out that Fultz or whoever isn't a cant-miss franchise player, and then face the prospect of max deals for Isaiah/AB and enjoy the coming years of cute little pretension while the Bucks and Philly ascend to conference powerhouse status..

[SpursFan86]

Until/Unless the Rockets find a way to stop running their offense through Harden so much, nothing will help them. That will be the death of them.

Lou Williams helps with that. Adding another $10-12 million guy probably would as well.

[Chinook]

Lou Williams helps with that. Adding another $10-12 million guy probably would as well.

It's not a matter of talent. They already have that. It's gonna be a matter of scheme. Will Harden let himself not touch the ball?

[djohn2oo8]

Until/Unless the Rockets find a way to stop running their offense through Harden so much, nothing will help them. That will be the death of them.

If you watch the actual games, Capela and Nene getting bullied in the paint and not being able to rebound is what kills them.

[Chinook]

If you watch the actual games, Capela and Nene getting bullied in the paint and not being able to rebound is what kills them.

That's even worse. I was talking about in the playoffs when teams actually try to stop Harden. If those guys aren't going to be factors in the playoffs, they could struggle to beat Memphis in the first round.

[SpursFan86]

Yeah, the Rockets' ORTG with Harden on the court is 117.1 (for reference, GS has the #1 offense in the league at 116.8). I don't think there's any issue with how the offense is ran while he's playing.

The problem is that the offense suffers a noticeable decline with Harden on the bench, and also their defense is pretty average. The addition of Lou Williams will likely address the former. If they do indeed end up getting a quality player in the $10-12 million range that can bolster their defense/rebounding, they'll likely pose a legitimate threat to SA.

[TheGreatYacht]

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I'm not sure what Stan Van Gundy is trying to do..I don't think KCP is worth the max, but he shouldn't the first to be jettisoned if SVG is going to be blow this thing up..
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zwwsd5n

[spursistan]

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a bit of a head scratcher..Don't think Morey is stupid to do Beverley-Shump swap..

[HarlemHeat37]

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a bit of a head scratcher..Don't think Morey is stupid to do Beverley-Shump swap..

Beverley wouldn't be involved, tbh..would be Ennis, McDaniels + cash or something along those lines IMO..

Shumpert's shooting will inevitable regress, but still a nice pickup..

[spursistan]

834466982187716609

wow...I assume he wants out for real..

[SpursFan86]

If Boston isn't able to land one of Butler/PG, then I don't know what the hell Ainge is doing :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

I'd probably make the move for George, despite Butler being the better player(and I find George to be overrated, overall)..he would be a better fit with the other players on the team and in Stevens' system, along with being a superior 3-point shooter to Butler..

I like Jimmy Butler, but he's extremely ball-dominant and is a mediocre 3-point shooter..I can't imagine him successfully sharing the spotlight with another superstar, from a basketball perspective..

[spursistan]

Indiana path to rebuild is easier than Chicago as they have better young talent..The writing is on the wall with the "Melo of his generation", he is going to bolt in 2018, and you better cash in on his value right now..If I am getting Nets pick + Jalyen Brow+ another pick+ fillers..I would bite if I were Bird..

[apalisoc_9]

With Chicago knowing full well that Boston has the alternartive of signing Paul Geroge and vice versa, they might be able to land one of the two wuthout giving away crowder..

Which is crazy, but the cletics do have bargaining power here since if none of this trade happens, they can just wait at the end of this year and look for other players...not to mention, a top rookie is always a huge asset.

They will still have a top rookie and a top pick next year to trade.

[apalisoc_9]

Indiana path to rebuild is easier than Chicago as they have better young talent..The writing is on the wall with the "Melo of his generation", he is going to bolt in 2018, and you better cash in on his value right now..If I am getting Nets pick + Jalyen Brow+ another pick+ fillers..I would bite if I were Bird..

Yup..please Geroge wants out. They can build around turner.

Chicago has no one to build around...

[Joseph Kony]

spurs need to bring paul george back to san antonio

[bklynspursfan]

Beverley wouldn't be involved, tbh..would be Ennis, McDaniels + cash or something along those lines IMO..

Shumpert's shooting will inevitable regress, but still a nice pickup..

that's what the Cavs want... Kind of a Delly-like player I guess

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[Hoops Czar]

paging Hoops Czar (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18859) :lol "Let's package Dejuan Blair, who sucks, for Kevin Love"
Find me that post little niglet. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Indiana path to rebuild is easier than Chicago as they have better young talent..The writing is on the wall with the "Melo of his generation", he is going to bolt in 2018, and you better cash in on his value right now..If I am getting Nets pick + Jalyen Brow+ another pick+ fillers..I would bite if I were Bird..

They probably try to offer avery bradley since they most likely arent planning on giving him a huge raise this summer.

If Boston can aquire Bogut too since Dallas is more than happy to pay for a cheap Mejri, that should at least in theory help with their lack of size.

Bogut and George would be nice additions...Wizards-Boston-Raptors-Hawks (lol) comepting for second seed should be fun to watch post all star.

Can't believe the Hawks are still in the running for a top 3 seed despite wanting to rebuild :lol

[apalisoc_9]

that's what the Cavs want... Kind of a Delly-like player I guess

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Patrick Beverly seems like a guy that helps them with lockeroom stuff...but considering the fact that Morey has admittedly said he doesnt care about thkse stuff..

I wont be surprised if he gets moved.

[baseline bum]

If you watch the actual games, Capela and Nene getting bullied in the paint and not being able to rebound is what kills them.

I'd love it if RC gave you guys Gasol. :lol

[Mal]

Indiana path to rebuild is easier than Chicago as they have better young talent..The writing is on the wall with the "Melo of his generation", he is going to bolt in 2018, and you better cash in on his value right now..If I am getting Nets pick + Jalyen Brow+ another pick+ fillers..I would bite if I were Bird..

Boston have Nets pick swap 2017, and Nets pick 2018. Guess people are going after this year`s stack draft. I don`t think Brown and this pick will be part of one package, even for Paul George. Pick + Smart/Bradley are going out. Maybe one of 2nd rounder also.

[baseline bum]

Indiana path to rebuild is easier than Chicago as they have better young talent..The writing is on the wall with the "Melo of his generation", he is going to bolt in 2018, and you better cash in on his value right now..If I am getting Nets pick + Jalyen Brow+ another pick+ fillers..I would bite if I were Bird..

That's too much for George. I'd offer them the Brooklyn pick and Marcus Smart, but no way I'm giving up Jaylen Brown this early on when Indiana will be getting a killer draft pick.

[HarlemHeat37]

that's what the Cavs want... Kind of a Delly-like player I guess

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Would be pretty surprised if they give up Beverley for Shumpert, I'd much rather have the former..

[apalisoc_9]

That's too much for George. I'd offer them the Brooklyn pick and Marcus Smart, but no way I'm giving up Jaylen Brown this early on when Indiana will be getting a killer draft pick.

Avery bradley imo. He's due forna huge raise and with Thomas due one too..They probably have to chooose since mst likely they will have to max out geroge or Butler.

[apalisoc_9]

And Dominican Carlos Boozer is already making a billion dollars.

[HarlemHeat37]

Avery Bradley will probably be part of any deal IMO..they're gonna have to pay him soon, might as well move him now, he isn't going to get any better(don't want to limit your future by building around a Thomas/Bradley core)..

[mo7888]

Boston is endanger of letting its window pass by. If they feel good about re-signing PG they should offer the pick plus Brown in my opinion.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h9snucx

[apalisoc_9]

The Rockets might struggle post all star break if they're comitted to making these significant changes mid-season. Lou and another 12 million dollar guy is sigimificant change in personel, cjemistry and possibl strucutre.

[baseline bum]

Avery bradley imo. He's due forna huge raise and with Thomas due one too..They probably have to chooose since mst likely they will have to max out geroge or Butler.

I wouldn't trade Bradley, especially with the cap flattening out for a couple of years. I don't think he'll cost as much next summer as he would have last. If they decide to not keep him for 2018-19 he'd become a really valuable trading piece next year too with a $9 million expiring contract.

[apalisoc_9]

Brown is way too much...No need to give him away when George isnl already asking the pacers to trade him. Pacers have limited bargainig power. :lol

[mo7888]

I also hope Houston trades Beverly for Shumpert. I think it hurts both teams. Shump is Clevelands best wing defender sans Lebron and Houston would have no one to really guard the opposing teams point guard. If they draw OKC in rd 1 Westbrook would have it easy without Beverly defending him.

[baseline bum]

Avery Bradley will probably be part of any deal IMO..they're gonna have to pay him soon, might as well move him now, he isn't going to get any better(don't want to limit your future by building around a Thomas/Bradley core)..

I would only give up Bradley if it means the Celtics could give up a different first instead of the Brooklyn one. Bradley is going to have a lot of value next year and I doubt he can command a max contract next summer with the cap flattening out.

[cd98]

Spurs don't really have any trade assets, and what they got won't give them a player that makes them better than GSW. Spurs will be bargain shoppers in the buyout group.

[Holden_Caulfield]

lebron wont be as good in a couple years. if im boston i would keep the picks. i doubt pg13 is enough to overthrow the cavs the next two years.

[baseline bum]

I also hope Houston trades Beverly for Shumpert. I think it hurts both teams. Shump is Clevelands best wing defender sans Lebron and Houston would have no one to really guard the opposing teams point guard. If they draw OKC in rd 1 Westbrook would have it easy without Beverly defending him.

Cleveland desperately needs a point guard after Mo Williams 86'ed his season on the first day of training camp.

[mo7888]

Cleveland desperately needs a point guard after Mo Williams 86'ed his season on the first day of training camp.
I agree that they desperately need a PG but, they also need a wing stopper to take pressure off of Lebron. It's a tough situation.

[HarlemHeat37]

I would only give up Bradley if it means the Celtics could give up a different first instead of the Brooklyn one. Bradley is going to have a lot of value next year and I doubt he can command a max contract next summer with the cap flattening out.

They're gonna have to give somebody up, though, in addition to the draft pick(s)..the options are Bradley, Crowder, Smart and Brown..

I'm not giving up Brown, right now..no way I'm trading Crowder when he's locked in for 4 years on one of the best contracts in the NBA..

It's Bradley or Smart..equal defensively, Bradley is obviously much better on offense, but Smart will probably be affordable, whereas Bradley is going to command big money according to most credible writers with front office sources that have discussed this(Lowe, Stein, etc)..

If I'm Indiana, I'm fine with Bradley/Amir/Brooklyn pick..I'm cool with that if I'm Boston, too, IMO..

Teague
Bradley
Turner
+ Brooklyn pick

That's a pretty good core, moving forward, if the pick can get you a superstar..

[apalisoc_9]

I wouldn't trade Bradley, especially with the cap flattening out for a couple of years. I don't think he'll cost as much next summer as he would have last. If they decide to not keep him for 2018-19 he'd become a really valuable trading piece next year too with a $9 million expiring contract.

Heard woj and stein talking about letting gonof Bradley..I think its the best thing to do. I think Bradley will cost a lot, plus they need to trade him.now before teams realise how Injury prone he is. His achilees is aparently broke.

Best indiana can do is get Bradley, a pick and a jerebko expiring and other filler.

Boston has a few expirings.

I'm surprised no one has tried calling them for 12 million dolllars of expiring Amir Johnson. Portland should have made a serious offer...should have cut all the expenses.

[SAGirl]

Would be pretty surprised if they give up Beverley for Shumpert, I'd much rather have the former..
I prefer Bev too. He's a tough pit bull who competes... with their team, they needed that mentality from someone..

[baseline bum]

They're gonna have to give somebody up, though, in addition to the draft pick(s)..the options are Bradley, Crowder, Smart and Brown..

I'm not giving up Brown, right now..no way I'm trading Crowder when he's locked in for 4 years on one of the best contracts in the NBA..

It's Bradley or Smart..equal defensively, Bradley is obviously much better on offense, but Smart will probably be affordable, whereas Bradley is going to command big money according to most credible writers that have discussed this(Lowe, Stein, etc)..

Bradley isn't up for free agency until 2018 and could be a huge trading piece next summer with his expiring contract. They don't need to give up Crowder, Brown, or Bradley when they're offering a Brooklyn pick that is going to be top 3 in a strong draft. They can match salary on a deal for Butler or George with Amir Johnson and Smart, and Johnson is an expiring contract. Or they could do Amir Johnson and Jerebko along with the Brooklyn first if Chicago/Indiana doesn't like Smart and just wants expirings.

[Chinook]

I'd take Smart and move Teague if I were Indy. Honestly, I would want Smart, Brown and a Brooklyn pick if I were either Chicago or Indy. Either will be able to get a better package during the draft, because you know the Lakers are going to be willing to trade their pick.

[apalisoc_9]

Would be funny to see Houston collapse to fourth or fifth seed :lol

[baseline bum]

I'm surprised no one has tried calling them for 12 million dolllars of expiring Amir Johnson. Portland should have made a serious offer...should have cut all the expenses.

I'm sure lots of teams have, but Amir Johnson is how they get Butler or George so no way Ainge is dumping him anywhere else.

[baseline bum]

I'd take Smart and move Teague if I were Indy. Honestly, I would want Smart, Brown and a Brooklyn pick if I were either Chicago or Indy. Either will be able to get a better package during the draft, because you know the Lakers are going to be willing to trade their pick.

I would want Brown and the pick too, but good luck getting Ainge to give that. The Brooklyn pick alone is a fair offer for a vet they don't want to build around with how good this draft is supposed to be.

[mo7888]

I would want Brown and the pick too, but good luck getting Ainge to give that. The Brooklyn pick alone is a fair offer for a vet they don't want to build around with how good this draft is supposed to be.

It doesn't matter what we think a fair offer is...what matters is what can Indiana get elsewhere? They can certainly get more than just the Brooklyn pick. At this point there is risk with that pick. It might not even be top 3...the Philly, or Phoenix, or LA pick could be higher so, if Boston wants the deal now they should have to pay more because Indiana can get a better deal than the Brooklyn pick plus filler.

[Chinook]

I would want Brown and the pick too, but good luck getting Ainge to give that. The Brooklyn pick alone is a fair offer for a vet they don't want to build around with how good this draft is supposed to be.

But it's much better to wait until after the lottery if you're just going for the pick. I'd assume any of the teams at the top of the draft would be willing to trade that pick for PG. Ainge doesn't really have the leverage he thinks he does, which is why he hasn't been able to make a deal yet.

[baseline bum]

It doesn't matter what we think a fair offer is...what matters is what can Indiana get elsewhere? They can certainly get more than just the Brooklyn pick. At this point there is risk with that pick. It might not even be top 3...the Philly, or Phoenix, or LA pick could be higher so, if Boston wants the deal now they should have to pay more because Indiana can get a better deal than the Brooklyn pick plus filler.

What better deal are they going to get than a top 3 pick in a stacked draft, cap relief, and maybe a young player like Smart?

[SAGirl]

But it's much better to wait until after the lottery if you're just going for the pick. I'd assume any of the teams at the top of the draft would be willing to trade that pick for PG. Ainge doesn't really have the leverage he thinks he does, which is why he hasn't been able to make a deal yet.
I really don't want him to fleece anyone.
Chicago is reluctant to do deals anyways, and they also tend to overvalue their players based on recent seasons so I am less concerned about them getting fleeced. If anything they will hold out for exactly what they want and Butler is in a good deal for several seasons and supposedly happy to stay in Chicago.

Bird with George is in a more difficult situation. Bird hasn't exactly been smart with anything he's done lately and I think he has alienated George every season, first with blowing up a team that got to the ECF twice, then with the way the veterans were treated, their coach, the way George was made to play at a spot he clearly didn't want to (reminds me of Lamarcus not wanting to be a center, but in George's case it was move overtly made clear and a real issue). George making it known not even a whole shitton of money more is going to get him to stay in Indiana if Bird doesn't turn things around with them... he's unhappy there. Anyways, I do feel like Bird is the one more likely to get fleeced.

Frankly these fleecings are not good for the NBA competitiveness and overall product.

[baseline bum]

But it's much better to wait until after the lottery if you're just going for the pick. I'd assume any of the teams at the top of the draft would be willing to trade that pick for PG. Ainge doesn't really have the leverage he thinks he does, which is why he hasn't been able to make a deal yet.

If you're Indiana you gotta be scared of Chicago taking Ainge's offer, and vice-versa. If it was just Indiana or just Chicago looking to dump their star player in a full rebuild I would completely agree with you here, but when the other team can swoop in and take that pick there is some urgency to get the deal done.

[Chinook]

If you're Indiana you gotta be scared of Chicago taking Ainge's offer, and vice-versa. If it was just Indiana or just Chicago looking to dump their star player in a full rebuild I would completely agree with you here, but when the other team can swoop in and take that pick there is some urgency to get the deal done.

If Boston isn't offering more than they Brooklyn pick, then really doesn't matter if Chicago takes the offer. Someone else at the top of the draft in June will beat that.

[baseline bum]

At this point there is risk with that pick. It might not even be top 3...the Philly, or Phoenix, or LA pick could be higher so

Crap, I didn't realize the odds of the Nets getting #4 were 35.7%. I was thinking it was extremely low odds since it would require three teams leapfrogging into the top 3, but it's higher than I thought.

[Chinook]

I really don't want him to fleece anyone.
Chicago is reluctant to do deals anyways, and they also tend to overvalue their players based on recent seasons so I am less concerned about them getting fleeced. If anything they will hold out for exactly what they want and Butler is in a good deal for several seasons and supposedly happy to stay in Chicago.

Bird with George is in a more difficult situation. Bird hasn't exactly been smart with anything he's done lately and I think he has alienated George every season, first with blowing up a team that got to the ECF twice, then with the way the veterans were treated, their coach, the way George was made to play at a spot he clearly didn't want to (reminds me of Lamarcus not wanting to be a center, but in George's case it was move overtly made clear and a real issue). George making it known not even a whole shitton of money more is going to get him to stay in Indiana if Bird doesn't turn things around with them... he's unhappy there. Anyways, I do feel like Bird is the one more likely to get fleeced.

Frankly these fleecings are not good for the NBA competitiveness and overall product.

I don't doubt it. Indy already has a decent building block for the future too, so they might be more inclined to start tanking than Chicago is.

[Spurs9]

Lakers trying to get PG13

[baseline bum]

If Boston isn't offering more than they Brooklyn pick, then really doesn't matter if Chicago takes the offer. Someone else at the top of the draft in June will beat that.

I guess Magic might be stupid enough to make that offer if LA keeps their pick, but otherwise George/Butler aren't franchise guys to build around. Boston is in a unique spot where they're a really solid team that needs someone to put them over the top and make them a real championship contender, and this draft is PG heavy at the top while they're set there with Thomas. I don't think a team like Orlando, Phoenix, Philly, or Dallas would be interested in trading for those guys. Minnesota probably would if they can leapfrog someone into the top 3.

[spursistan]

But it's much better to wait until after the lottery if you're just going for the pick. I'd assume any of the teams at the top of the draft would be willing to trade that pick for PG. Ainge doesn't really have the leverage he thinks he does, which is why he hasn't been able to make a deal yet.

Exactly, Ainge leverage is being overrated with regard to both Butler/pg13..Magic and the Lakers are getting on it RIGHT NOW...Whiffing on Cousins led to Mitch/Jim heads rolling..they are desperate for "star", and will probably sell the farm for him..


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. The fact that the Lakers are in the process of trying to land George right now, with new lead executive Magic Johnsonmoving fast to fill that superstar hole that Kobe Bryant left behind, only makes these next two days all the more compelling.
Magic & Bird, together again as NBA power brokers, on Day No. 2 of Johnson’s new job. You can’t make this stuff up.

[Chinook]

I guess Magic might be stupid enough to make that offer if LA keeps their pick, but otherwise George/Butler aren't a franchise guys to build around. Boston is in a unique spot where they're a really solid team that needs someone to put them over the top and make them a real championship contender, and this draft is PG heavy at the top while they're set there with Thomas. I don't think a team like Orlando, Phoenix, Philly, or Dallas would be interested in trading for those guys. Minnesota probably would if they can leapfrog someone into the top 3.

-Orlando did just trade for Ibaka, so I wouldn't rule them out.

-Phoenix has an aging back-court and a number of young bigs. I definitely think they'd do it. Hell, some Suns fans have suggested they'd be fine with their team trading that pick for LMA, so you know they'd be okay with George.

-Dallas is a wildcard for sure. While it might seem like they should rebuild, Matthews, George, Barnes and cap space is probably the most interesting foundation they've had for years.

-Philly probably would trade their pick and more for Butler. Adding George would be tricky, since he'd be an expiring. But I do think they consider Embiid and Simmons to be their core, so it's not obvious they'll be obsessed with using their pick, especially if they have two in the top five.

-Then of course, you have LA.

Definitely don't think Indy has anything to worry about in terms of finding trade value.

[SAGirl]

If Ainge is playing hardball he will whiff on these guys again and be stuck with youngsters that don't fit their timeline and more picks/young players than they can develop.

[spursistan]

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[SAGirl]

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Good for the Nets.

[Mr. Body]

Go Marks.

[spursistan]

Magic is going put everything on the table to bring a star name to the Lakers and validate himself in the process..His hiring isn't good news for Ainge and his precious assets..

[apalisoc_9]

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Good trade for wizards

[spursistan]

Good trade for wizards
They are my pick to reach East finals if Boston stands pat..

[apalisoc_9]

John wall is possibly the best penetrating guard in the league tbh. The amount of corner threes he generates is unreal.

[TD 21]

It's actually a good trade for both teams (Nicholson's contract is well worth a for a 1st, with a team so strapped for assets and his contract is irrelevant on a team with so little committed salary), but the Wizards backup backcourt is still shaky. Williams or Collison would have given them a better chance to survive in non Wall minutes.

As far as George goes, there's an urgency for the Celtics to get this done now, get him indoctrinated into their environment and probably make two ECF's (and maybe a Finals, if everything breaks right) trips before he hits free agency, otherwise he's more than likely Lakers bound. At the same time, I could understand wanting to get Crowder back, not only for his contract, but to fill the hole that George would leave at small forward. In the end, it shouldn't be a deal breaker though. In addition to the Nets' pick, Bradley and Jerebko's expiring contract, I'm sure they could get them to throw in one of their other myriad 1sts and that's still a nice haul, so long as the top of the draft is as good as advertised.

[DPG21920]

Until/Unless the Rockets find a way to stop running their offense through Harden so much, nothing will help them. That will be the death of them.

They really do need an Amare to Harden's Nash

[DPG21920]

If Im Boston no way to I offer up my top 5 pick for PG who is a FA sooner. Butler is under contract for years and while slightly different player than PG, overall just as good. PG seems very likely to at best test the market and at worst force his way to LA

[apalisoc_9]

Tomorrow is going to be a busy day, but its very possible mst trades for tomorrow involve 8th to 12th men in the team....no more possible big trades except for Boston...

[mo7888]

I guess Magic might be stupid enough to make that offer if LA keeps their pick, but otherwise George/Butler aren't franchise guys to build around. Boston is in a unique spot where they're a really solid team that needs someone to put them over the top and make them a real championship contender, and this draft is PG heavy at the top while they're set there with Thomas. I don't think a team like Orlando, Phoenix, Philly, or Dallas would be interested in trading for those guys. Minnesota probably would if they can leapfrog someone into the top 3.

You're right..magic might be dumb enough to give away the whole store...all bird needs is one sucker..and there are a few dumb GM'S to choose from...he'll get a good deal if he's smart..

[Spurs9]

PG13 to Boston tbh
edit: retarded twitter with fake tweets, doesn't look real.

[TD 21]

If Im Boston no way to I offer up my top 5 pick for PG who is a FA sooner. Butler is under contract for years and while slightly different player than PG, overall just as good. PG seems very likely to at best test the market and at worst force his way to LA

If they can't pry Butler loose, I'd do it. As hyped up as this draft is, especially with point guards, let's not act like these guys are O'Neal, Duncan, James, etc. The odds of any even becoming as good a player as George at his best are slim (not saying Fultz and Ball aren't considered better prospects, but to varying degrees, look how hyped up Smart, Payton, Russell and Mudiay, were and look at them now), because the odds are almost always slim of drafting a future top 15 player. I know he's having a down season, but he'd likely be rejuvenated with the Celtics and regain his form.

Horford will turn 31 this year and Thomas will turn 28. Their window to win is now; not a half decade from now, when this pick is and if this pick ends up as good as advertised. George not only times well with those two, but would fit well too.

Also, the Cavaliers are their for the taking. They'd still be an underdog, but they'd have at least have 2 realistic shots at them. If George walks away from that because he's dead set on being a Laker, so be it. It's a worthwhile gamble for the Celtics. The whole point of being a GM is to get to a position where you're at least in the mix for a championship. It's the most difficult league to get to that point and if you have a chance to do it, you take it.

[Spurs9]

edit: twitter is beyond retarded, another fake account. Why do people even make them?

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNews

[RD2191]

edit: twitter is beyond retarded, another fake account. Why do people even make them?

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNews

Quit trying to break news, you look like an asshat.

[Spur|n|Austin]

edit: twitter is beyond retarded, another fake account. Why do people even make them?

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNews

To troll jabronis like you

[Spurs9]

Quit trying to break news, you look like an asshat.

Someone has to take the torch from tspense, I'm anxiously f5'ing his twitter page to get the scoop. I'll post it when I have it.

[RD2191]

Someone has to take the torch from tspense, I'm anxiously f5'ing his twitter page to get the scoop. I'll post it when I have it.

Doing the lords work TBH

[SAGirl]

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Boston may well just whiff on these possibilities if they are not aggressive is all I am saying.

[Mnky]

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Boston may well just whiff on these possibilities if they are not aggressive is all I am saying.

All you're saying is that the front office with the most leverage in the league should stop doing what got them there and act like the teams getting fleeced due to trying to force a trade.

How'd that work out for the Nets?

[Chinook]

Boston doesn't have leverage. No one is hurting because they aren't making deals. They're the ones wasting their chance to contend.

[SAGirl]

Exactly...

AS TD 21 pointed out they have guys in their 28-31 year range... they don't have spots to develop multiple first round picks all at once either and these guys (star players) don't become available often or will be pried easily and they are not the only ones with interest.

Ainge once threw 4 picks at Charlotte for the pick that became Winslow. They probably need to be more aggressive than they are to convince someone to let go of a franchise player. If they go in with the mentality to try to swindle someone they won't get anyone worth getting.

All this dilly dally works against them bc they are not the only ones that would love to get one of these guys.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) now (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/834560029189615617) Sixers are finalizing a trade to Ersan Ilyasova to Atlanta for Tiago Splitter and two second-round picks, league sources tell @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/).

[CGD]

There is a difference between being frugal and cheap. Frugal is understanding that being selective with resources is meant to serve a greater goal at the right time and place. Being cheap is accumulating resources for the sake of accumulating with no vision/goal in mind.

Ainge is a cheap bastard.

[dabom]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) now (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/834560029189615617) Sixers are finalizing a trade to Ersan Ilyasova to Atlanta for Tiago Splitter and two second-round picks, league sources tell @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/).




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[Ron Swanson]

Bill Land: Ilya-Sofa

[CGD]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) now (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/834560029189615617) Sixers are finalizing a trade to Ersan Ilyasova to Atlanta for Tiago Splitter and two second-round picks, league sources tell @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/).




Odd trade. Both expiring deals around the 8.5m mark. Do the Sixers see Tiago as an asset since they gave up two seconds for him? Or is ATL looking to save 200k?

[bklynspursfan]

Splitter is going from Spurs assistant to Spurs assistant lol. I guess Philly needed another big?

[CGD]

Actually I misread, ATL (not Philly) sending the picks. Maybe Splitter gets waived.

[Russ]

Splitter is going from Spurs assistant to Spurs assistant lol. I guess Philly needed another big?

Does this mean Okafor is definitely on the move?

[SAGirl]

Odd trade. Both expiring deals around the 8.5m mark. Do the Sixers see Tiago as an asset since they gave up two seconds for him? Or is ATL looking to save 200k?
I think Atlanta is getting ready for a playoff run and they would rather have a guy that is healthy in Ilyasova than Tiago and the two seconds they gave up.

[Spurs9]

Tiago :cry

[sasaint]

I think Atlanta is getting ready for a playoff run and they would rather have a guy that is healthy in Ilyasova than Tiago and the two seconds they gave up.

Exactly. Nice move by Atlanta.

[pgardn]

Bill Land: Ilya-Sofa

The Kinetico Water System melted his tongue on this one.

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vah vah vah vah

[bklynspursfan]

Does this mean Okafor is definitely on the move?

Chicago is pushing for Okafor per Woj. It seems like he might be

[spurraider21]

What's funny about many posters here is that they'll shit on certain Spurs players and call them scrubs(Green, Mills, Anderson, etc) but then use those same guys in their trade scenarios for star players:lol

"Green and Mills suck, but maybe we can trade them for Anthony Davis!!"

"Kyle Anderson is the worst player in the NBA, but I think we could get Isaiah Thomas for him!"
Nothing new though. There were the "trade bonner, Blair, neal" days too

[DPG21920]

It is seemingly difficult to get a first round pick right now. Not sure Patty (for the discussion earlier) would fetch that. Basically it's taken a star (Boogie) to get a lottery pick, a top candidate for 6MOY with more than one year under contract (Lou) for a 27th pick & taking on money (BKY eating Nicholson's money) and sending out a rotation player for a late first.

With Patty being a FA due for a solid raise I dont think he is going to get a 1st in this market place

[Leetonidas]

It's weird how GMs are so stingy with first round picks considering most picks turn out to be meh anyway

[tholdren]

lol splitter. Yet another scenario where advanced stats crapped the bed. Take note chinook.

[baseline bum]

Any reports from TSpence? That nigga called Gasol to SA.

[baseline bum]

It is seemingly difficult to get a first round pick right now. Not sure Patty (for the discussion earlier) would fetch that. Basically it's taken a star (Boogie) to get a lottery pick, a top candidate for 6MOY with more than one year under contract (Lou) for a 27th pick & taking on money (BKY eating Nicholson's money) and sending out a rotation player for a late first.

With Patty being a FA due for a solid raise I dont think he is going to get a 1st in this market place

Didn't Magic already say he was going to trade Lou? Supposedly Williams told him to get him to Houston and Magic agreed.

[SAGirl]

It is seemingly difficult to get a first round pick right now. Not sure Patty (for the discussion earlier) would fetch that. Basically it's taken a star (Boogie) to get a lottery pick, a top candidate for 6MOY with more than one year under contract (Lou) for a 27th pick & taking on money (BKY eating Nicholson's money) and sending out a rotation player for a late first.

With Patty being a FA due for a solid raise I dont think he is going to get a 1st in this market place
I was trying to tell you that b4. None of the guys who will be FA this summer will get you back anything better than what you have.

[DPG21920]

Chicago is pushing for Okafor per Woj. It seems like he might be

Not necessarily related. PHI didn't really take on money and really just did this to get a 2nd round pick for free. Plus they want Tiago to mentor the other young bigs.

[DPG21920]

Didn't Magic already say he was going to trade Lou? Supposedly Williams told him to get him to Houston and Magic agreed.

Yup. That deal is done. I'm saying that it's taking a lot to get a first round pick for those of us discussing the possiblity of Mills netting one in a deal.

[DPG21920]

I was trying to tell you that b4. None of the guys who will be FA this summer will get you back anything better than what you have.

You sure did. The market it tough right now for obtaining picks; however, decent guard talent is being swooped up at very reasonable prices.

Teams are bolstering depth and weaknesses and even landing stars for very little talent being sent out in return. Great time to be a buyer for talent.

[baseline bum]

Yup. That deal is done. I'm saying that it's taking a lot to get a first round pick for those of us discussing the possiblity of Mills netting one in a deal.

Damn I would hate to trade Mills for a late first. I was hoping RC could use Mills' expiring contract to land Williams, but Lou wanted Houston. :pctoss

[Chinook]

Yup. That deal is done. I'm saying that it's taking a lot to get a first round pick for those of us discussing the possiblity of Mills netting one in a deal.

Though with Lou and Bojan gone, the remaining teams might be more desperate. The Spurs might have to take back a bad contract to do it, but I think they could get a first for Patty from a team like Charlotte.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jygsg6y

[DPG21920]

Damn I would hate to trade Mills for a late first. I was hoping RC could use Mills' expiring contract to land Williams, but Lou wanted Houston. :pctoss

Even though I probably agree, the only reason I would like getting a first for Mills is so SA doesn't have to pay him next year and maybe that cracks the door for Murray to be force fed minutes and who knows what happens with that.

But Mills has value to the Spurs for sure and SA is probably better off keeping him even if he's going to walk next year.

[DPG21920]

Though with Lou and Bojan gone, the remaining teams might be more desperate. The Spurs might have to take back a bad contract to do it, but I think they could get a first for Patty from a team like Charlotte.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jygsg6y

I can see that - especially out East, you are getting the sense (ATL move, WAS move, BOS rumors) that playoff teams are dying to add to their teams. Many of the best bench options are gone like you said. However, there is still plenty out there and teams seem to be valuing picks a lot so I think it would still be tough. Eating money is one way to do it though (see BKY).

You're deal would basically be like BKY's deal and how they netted a pick.

But DEN still has many guys they seemingly will deal; plenty of options still.

[sasaint]

I was trying to tell you that b4. None of the guys who will be FA this summer will get you back anything better than what you have.

Indeed, if the draft is as guard-rich as touted, Mills' value might actually decline between now and the draft.

[marinoman]

Marcus Thornton to be waived via woj

[tonight...you]

Dammit ya'll... Mills stops thinking and starts playing when the Playoffs start.
That man is a playoff performer and this team needs more like him, not less with some of the weak spines here.

Mills does not get traded. If he leaves... he leaves.
https://media.tenor.co/images/b14e60b42957509ce5be3f8bf28d8e28/raw

He will prove his worth to the team in these playoffs, in the end.

[Chinook]

I can see that - especially out East, you are getting the sense (ATL move, WAS move, BOS rumors) that playoff teams are dying to add to their teams. Many of the best bench options are gone like you said. However, there is still plenty out there and teams seem to be valuing picks a lot so I think it would still be tough. Eating money is one way to do it though (see BKY).

You're deal would basically be like BKY's deal and how they netted a pick.

But DEN still has many guys they seemingly will deal; plenty of options still.

I actually wouldn't mind having Marco back, either. His contract expires in 2018 when the Spurs actually need space, and he's familiar with the system already. Dunno if I'd be willing to have Roberts and Murray duke it out for real minutes so late in the season, though.

[apalisoc_9]

Man, if someone at the spurs organization can motivate Thornton to not be fat and lazy, I'd take him pver forbes in a heartbeat!

We need more overconfident dudes who isnt afraid to take shots and make moves in very limited minutes. Thronton does that. Forbes os scared pf the ball.

[baseline bum]

Even though I probably agree, the only reason I would like getting a first for Mills is so SA doesn't have to pay him next year and maybe that cracks the door for Murray to be force fed minutes and who knows what happens with that.

But Mills has value to the Spurs for sure and SA is probably better off keeping him even if he's going to walk next year.

I don't think this team can afford to lose Mills with Ginobili retiring and Parker needing to retire, and that's factoring in a breakout year from Dejounte.

[DPG21920]

I actually wouldn't mind having Marco back, either. His contract expires in 2018 when the Spurs actually need space, and he's familiar with the system already. Dunno if I'd be willing to have Roberts and Murray duke it out for real minutes so late in the season, though.

For sure - taking on salary now knowing that Gasol is 99% opting in and TP still on the books is no big deal as long as it does not extend past next season. Like you said, added Bonus is Beli knows SA very well and does what Mills does basically (both good and bad) while getting SA a pick.

But with Mills only having this half season left, I don't see a team giving up a first for that.

[Chinook]

I don't think this team can afford to lose Mills with Ginobili retiring and Parker needing to retire, and that's factoring in a breakout year from Dejounte.

Don't let M4T see this.

[DPG21920]

I don't think this team can afford to lose Mills with Ginobili retiring and Parker needing to retire, and that's factoring in a breakout year from Dejounte.

If you don't think Mills is a starter you can't pay him what he will command.

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[Chinook]

For sure - taking on salary now knowing that Gasol is 99% opting in and TP still on the books is no big deal as long as it does not extend past next season. Like you said, added Bonus is Beli knows SA very well and does what Mills does basically (both good and bad) while getting SA a pick.

But with Mills only having this half season left, I don't see a team giving up a first for that.

It would probably have to be a team more desperate for cap space. Dunno if there are that many this season. Imagine there will be a lot in 2018, but the Spurs will likely be among them.

[Hoops Czar]

If you don't think Mills is a starter you can't pay him what he will command.

He's basically Gary Neal with a higher shooting percentage. He can't run the offense to save his life and his defense is woefully pathetic but, the Spurs can't afford to lose him. :lol

[gambit1990]

if you want the spurs to contend this season then the spurs can't afford to trade mills for a draft pick.

mills has the 4th best 3 point shooting percentage in the league. next on that list is manu at 21st.

[DPG21920]

Regardless of what any of us think I do believe retaining Mills is a priority for SA. Whether we agree with that or not is another topic.

[TheDoctor]

Dammit ya'll... Mills stops thinking and starts playing when the Playoffs start.
That man is a playoff performer and this team needs more like him, not less with some of the weak spines here.

Mills does not get traded. If he leaves... he leaves.
https://media.tenor.co/images/b14e60b42957509ce5be3f8bf28d8e28/raw

He will prove his worth to the team in these playoffs, in the end.

Dabom, get out of that body.

[Ice009]

if you want the spurs to contend this season then the spurs can't afford to trade mills for a draft pick.

mills has the 4th best 3 point shooting percentage in the league. next on that list is manu at 21st.

So Danny Green's three point shooting percentage has gone down the shitter with all those airballs he's been chucking up?

[Chinook]

So Danny Green's three point shooting percentage has gone down the shitter with all those airballs he's been chucking up?

Nah, it's still at like 41 percent. But obviously, you hope for another boom period to start soon.

[cjw]

I actually wouldn't mind having Marco back, either. His contract expires in 2018 when the Spurs actually need space, and he's familiar with the system already. Dunno if I'd be willing to have Roberts and Murray duke it out for real minutes so late in the season, though.

Can consider it a sunk cost but this would amount to Charlotte trading two firsts for Mills as they already dealt one for Beli (Kings actually made a good trade). With Kemba on the roster not sure why they'd be falling over themselves to offer Mills a big deal.

That said, as some have mentioned, there is a lot less money to go around in FA this year and more guys will sign with original teams = value of Bird Rights for guys like Mills (rights stay with player when traded).

[tonight...you]

Dabom, get out of that body.
:lol :bobo

Hey... I just feel that way, baby.

[dabom]

Dabom, get out of that body.


:lol :bobo

Hey... I just feel that way, baby.
:corn:

[DPG21920]

The thing is as great of a teammate as Mills has been teams have to know he has a desire to start. So if you trade for him you have to have that in mind. From everything I've read GMs around the league value Mills pretty damn high.

[TheDoctor]

Dabom, get out of that body.

:lol :bobo

Hey... I just feel that way, baby.

:corn:

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[coachmac87]

I'd do whatever it takes to get KCP on this team....

[apalisoc_9]

I'd do whatever it takes to get KCP on this team....

That's because you're a try hard dumbass.

Anyways,

KCP is an expiring next year. PATFO isnt going to dish out money on an unproven player in a spurs structure.

[sasaint]

I'd do whatever it takes to get KCP on this team....

Why? He is not much of a shooter.

[coachmac87]

That's because you're a try hard dumbass.

Anyways,

KCP is an expiring next year. PATFO isnt going to dish out money on an unproven player in a spurs structure.


I'm a try hard dumbass??

[coachmac87]

Why? He is not much of a shooter.

He's a better shooter than Simmons, Ginobili, Anderson and during stretches Danny Green.

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[SAGirl]

Regardless of what any of us think I do believe retaining Mills is a priority for SA. Whether we agree with that or not is another topic.
I Started the season with that mindset but I have wavered. He's not a star and stars are the only ones who are irreplaceable and you pay for. Overpaying for roleplayers leads to regret when they can't live up to the big contract. It's really possible that Murray is a better player soon and Bertans can shoot very well and is more dynamic. I would not overpay him....

One cannot guess Pop's mind though bc of his other intangibles (personality, team player, etc)

From Mills PoV it's also unknown bc he has ambitions as well he should. Remember I.Thomas once... one cannot tell if he could be starting in another team.

[sasaint]

He's a better shooter than Simmons, Ginobili, Anderson and during stretches Danny Green.

Maybe Simmons and Anderson. But Ginobili and Green are much better 3-ball shooters. "During stretches" is not a good argument. "During stretches" everybody in the NBA is a better shooter than everybody else.

[SAGirl]

He's a better shooter than Simmons, Ginobili, Anderson and during stretches Danny Green.
He is emerging as the Pistons best player and is still young. I don't think Spurs have the assets to get in that.
To me it looks like Pistons making noise to compete with CHi and Indy for a trade partner looking for a wing.... I suspect they want a high lotto pick.

[SAGirl]

Why? He is not much of a shooter.
He has had a good season in Reggie Jackson's absence. Was looking like the Pistons best player at times. Could be a fluke who knows?

[sasaint]

He has had a good season in Reggie Jackson's absence. Was looking like the Pistons best player at times. Could be a fluke who knows?

I have only seen him against the Spurs, but he seems like a project to me. We have decent projects of our own.

[DPG21920]

I Started the season with that mindset but I have wavered. He's not a star and stars are the only ones who are irreplaceable and you pay for. Overpaying for roleplayers leads to regret when they can't live up to the big contract. It's really possible that Murray is a better player soon and Bertans can shoot very well and is more dynamic. I would not overpay him....

One cannot guess Pop's mind though bc of his other intangibles (personality, team player, etc)

From Mills PoV it's also unknown bc he has ambitions as well he should. Remember I.Thomas once... one cannot tell if he could be starting in another team.

It's a combo of circumstance and marketplace. Spurs usually aren't in the business of losing good assets for nothing. The fact that Manu is likely retired, TP is no longer starter quality and Murray so raw? Mills probably is a priority. Couple that with the fact losing Manu the year after Tim will wear on Pop and he will want as much continuity as possible along with needing guards and having little to no wiggle room next year with the cap? Mills is a priority (plus he's been a great player and teammate).

[coachmac87]

He is emerging as the Pistons best player and is still young. I don't think Spurs have the assets to get in that.
To me it looks like Pistons making noise to compete with CHi and Indy for a trade partner looking for a wing.... I suspect they want a high lotto pick.


They want a first round pick and a "front court" player. I don't think its realistic by any means but with KCP being a restricted FA this summer I dunno if DET can get what they truly want. But if it somehow happens I think KCP can be a great 6th man or potential Green replacement down the road..

[Chinook]

Pistons are desperately trying to clear cap space to throw Dedmon a max offer this summer.

[sasaint]

It's a combo of circumstance and marketplace. Spurs usually aren't in the business of losing good assets for nothing. The fact that Manu is likely retired, TP is no longer starter quality and Murray so raw? Mills probably is a priority. Couple that with the fact losing Manu the year after Tim will wear on Pop and he will want as much continuity as possible along with needing guards and having little to no wiggle room next year with the cap? Mills is a priority (plus he's been a great player and teammate).

You make an interesting assumption - that Pop will return next year. The guy is getting older and more irascible by the second. Some day in the not-so-distant future Pop won't be around. I think he will be next season, but who is to say that he will hang around in order for Manu's (presumed) retirement next season to "wear" on him?

[SAGirl]

I have only seen him against the Spurs, but he seems like a project to me. We have decent projects of our own.He's a More dynamic player than say Danny for example an His breakout has really been this season. He wasn't shooting this well last season, and has flourished when the system was altered bc Reggie was injured. It's possible there's untapped potential there which goes with your project comment but there's upside for sure.

It doesn't matter bc I don't think Spurs have assets to make that trade.

[coachmac87]

Maybe Simmons and Anderson. But Ginobili and Green are much better 3-ball shooters. "During stretches" is not a good argument. "During stretches" everybody in the NBA is a better shooter than everybody else.


Danny and KCP are different type of shooters....KCP can shoot the 3 better off the dribble and when he gets run off the line he can pull up in the midrange. Danny is strictly a catch and shoot guy which is great if he's ON..but we alllllll know how cold he can get and become worthless on offense at times

[sasaint]

Pistons are desperately trying to clear cap space to throw Dedmon a max offer this summer.

:lol To add to their collection!

[DPG21920]

You make an interesting assumption - that Pop will return next year. The guy is getting older and more irascible by the second. Some day in the not-so-distant future Pop won't be around. I think he will be next season, but who is to say that he will hang around in order for Manu's (presumed) retirement next season to "wear" on him?

True, but I don't feel that is a big assumption with Pop's extension and his commitment to finish out that deal seeming pretty firm. Things can change for sure, but making an educated guess? Pop is here next year no matter what.

[cd98]

Pistons are desperately trying to clear cap space to throw Dedmon a max offer this summer.

Thats what they do every offseason...overpay Spur bigs. But SA will keep Dedmon, I think.

[DPG21920]

Danny and KCP are different type of shooters....KCP can shoot the 3 better off the dribble and when he gets run off the line he can pull up in the midrange. Danny is strictly a catch and shoot guy which is great if he's ON..but we alllllll know how cold he can get and become worthless on offense at times

Danny is never worthless on offense. Even when he's "off" guys account for him. That has value.

[Chinook]

Danny is never worthless on offense. Even when he's "off" guys account for him. That has value.

I don't think there's a concept that's harder to grasp in basketball than shooting mechanics/spacing.

[DPG21920]

I don't think there's a concept that's harder to grasp in basketball than shooting mechanics/spacing.

It is very tough. Especially for guys like Mills and Danny. I even fall into the trap (at least I admit it) where I under value Mills. However, I don't do that with Danny as a whole because he's earned my trust not only in the biggest moments, but on defense as well.

Mills doesn't provide all around value like Danny which is where my doubts creep in (even though the spacing issue and defense are completely separate issues).

[sasaint]

Danny and KCP are different type of shooters....KCP can shoot the 3 better off the dribble and when he gets run off the line he can pull up in the midrange. Danny is strictly a catch and shoot guy which is great if he's ON..but we alllllll know how cold he can get and become worthless on offense at times

Granted they are different type scorers. As the stats show, Danny is a better shooter. So, I guess it depends on what you value most. And that doesn't take D into consideration. I certainly would not value KCP so highly that I would trade Danny for him (assuming such a trade worked), but I would consider the other guys you brought up (except we allllll know PATFO will not trade Manu).

[DPG21920]

You only trade Danny if you get a young piece that you firmly believe is the key to fortifying the future backcourt/frontcourt.

[coachmac87]

Granted they are different type scorers. As the stats show, Danny is a better shooter. So, I guess it depends on what you value most. And that doesn't take D into consideration. I certainly would not value KCP so highly that I would trade Danny for him (assuming such a trade worked), but I would consider the other guys you brought up (except we allllll know PATFO will not trade Manu).

I wouldn't trade Danny for KCP...but would I give up a first for him and roll the dice this offseason?? Yeah...I think I would (Manu/Simmons) replacement..

Anderson/Simmons + 1st is best realistic offer Spurs could offer. Does that get it done though?? NO

I'm kinda just fantasizing about KCP on this team btw lol

[Chinook]

It is very tough. Especially for guys like Mills and Danny. I even fall into the trap (at least I admit it) where I under value Mills. However, I don't do that with Danny as a whole because he's earned my trust not only in the biggest moments, but on defense as well.

Mills doesn't provide all around value like Danny which is where my doubts creep in (even though the spacing issue and defense are completely separate issues).

I don't even mean that people underrate it. I just feel a lot of people don't even know what it is.

[SAGirl]

It's a combo of circumstance and marketplace. Spurs usually aren't in the business of losing good assets for nothing. The fact that Manu is likely retired, TP is no longer starter quality and Murray so raw? Mills probably is a priority. Couple that with the fact losing Manu the year after Tim will wear on Pop and he will want as much continuity as possible along with needing guards and having little to no wiggle room next year with the cap? Mills is a priority (plus he's been a great player and teammate).
Probably.
Also so long as he doesn't get injured and his shot is still on he's not untradeable after the contract like Diaw in case things don't work out.
I am also of the mindset Pop will want Dijon to play with a vet guard next to him.. whoever that is.

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[DPG21920]

Probably.
Also so long as he doesn't get injured and his shot is still on he's not untradeable after the contract like Diaw in case things don't work out.
I am also of the mindset Pop will want Dijon to play with a vet guard next to him.. whoever that is.

Yup - both great points. He's an asset even overpaid (possibly). Then he can help next to Murray like you said.

[sasaint]

True, but I don't feel that is a big assumption with Pop's extension and his commitment to finish out that deal seeming pretty firm. Things can change for sure, but making an educated guess? Pop is here next year no matter what.

Sure, if I were a betting man, I'd bet a lot on Pop's returning next season, but I am no longer sure I'd bet the ranch. I am not sure how much the guy is enjoying this season. Furthermore, I think the tide is turning on his schtick. It awakens us to the reality (heretofore unimaginable) that Pop's continued presence is not entirely in his own hands.

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"Find Tim Duncan getting off his bike."

[Chinook]

"Find Tim Duncan getting off his bike."

I think they were talking about my bike. I lent it to Tim because, well, you don't turn down Tim Duncan if he wants to use your bike.

[mo7888]

I wouldn't trade Danny for KCP...but would I give up a first for him and roll the dice this offseason?? Yeah...I think I would (Manu/Simmons) replacement..

Anderson/Simmons + 1st is best realistic offer Spurs could offer. Does that get it done though?? NO

I'm kinda just fantasizing about KCP on this team btw lol

That shouldn't get it done...but it kind of feel like SVG is in way over his head on the management part of his job.... I wouldn't underestimate his potential when it comes to making a bone headed move.

[sasaint]

I think they were talking about my bike. I lent it to Tim because, well, you don't turn down Tim Duncan if he wants to use your bike.

:lol

[tbdog]

For the spurs to get KPC, there are few things that both Pistons and Spurs would need to agree upon for it to happen. If a trade for say, Mills & Simmons & 1st for example. And not include Green, who is on a very favourable contract of 10 mil a year.

1. Spurs are willing spending 15m a year to retain him during the off season. They will have his bird rights, as long as he does not sign an offer sheet before securing other contracts like Dedmon or Lee. This will mean Spurs being players in the 2018 free agency market would be minimised.

2. Pistons would have to be interested in Mills in the long term as a cheaper options to Reggie Jackson, who looks like he is on the block. This isn’t a stretch as Van Gundy likes shooting PG’s, even small ones, like Nelson.

3. Pistons like the chances of Stanley Johnson or Simmons or an unknown player on the free agent market/trade piece for then inevitable Jackson trade, would take the next step into a Turkaglu role than Van Gundy likes. And that player will come cheaper than KPC.

[NASpurs]

Didn't know that Fab and Timmy were that close. That's pretty cool.


Now that I remember, last week Sean said TD was on a motorcycle in South America so there you go. :lol

[SAGirl]

Granted they are different type scorers. As the stats show, Danny is a better shooter. So, I guess it depends on what you value most. And that doesn't take D into consideration. I certainly would not value KCP so highly that I would trade Danny for him (assuming such a trade worked), but I would consider the other guys you brought up (except we allllll know PATFO will not trade Manu).
It'really
Is about the difficulty of shots. I doubt Danny can replicate KCP for the Pistons. He takes more difficult shots, etc and creates for others. Again he emerged as an interesting player with the Pistons prior to Reggie Jackson returning from his injury. Picture Danny playing without a PG and without Kawhi and you will understand he won't be similar to the stats he has right now. I wouldn't take Danny for KCP if I am Pistons either.... but it's idle talk. It ain't happening.

[sasaint]

If your argument is that Danny's stats would have been worse during Collison's absence, then would they not actually be better in Collison's presence?

[Chinook]

If your argument is that Danny's stats would have been worse during Collison's absence, then would they not actually be better in Collison's presence?

SAG's talking about KCP, so it's Jackson instead of Collison. Still, it probably wouldn't be hard to check to see how well KCP plays with Reggie, and any of the other stats. It would just be time-consuming.

[tbdog]

Only if the 3rd team took Butler :lol

Not necessary. Let's just say the 3rd team is 76ers, who give Okafor up. If this market has shown, 2 quality players and a 1st for a star is what you are going to get.

[sasaint]

SAG's talking about KCP, so it's Jackson instead of Collison. Still, it probably wouldn't be hard to check to see how well KCP plays with Reggie, and any of the other stats. It would just be time-consuming.

My bad. Mind wandering again. If you see it send it back home.

Mills + Simmons + a first seems exorbitant to me (not that it was your suggestion).

[tbdog]

And if you think Pistons would not accept a talented piece like KPC for Mills and Simmons plus the 29th pick, keep in mind that Williams and Bogdnovic just fetch non expiring contracts and also very late 1st. If Spurs want KPC, they can get him without including Green. (If he is on the market).

[Chinook]

My bad. Mind wandering again. If you see it send it back home.

Mills + Simmons + a first seems exorbitant to me (not that it was your suggestion).

Way so. It would have a be a pretty good prospect of borderline starter at a position of need (who was locked up for at least another year) for me to do that trade.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/caldwke01/splits/2017

Dunno if KCP is that. His splits are fine, but it doesn't look like he was anything more than average. He and RJ have struggled together, whereas he played well with Ish. Not sure how that would bode for him in the Spurs' system. Feel like if Green were on the Pistons, he would have had the opposite results, and that seems more desirable.

[sasaint]

Way so. It would have a be a pretty good prospect of borderline starter at a position of need (who was locked up for at least another year) for me to do that trade.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/caldwke01/splits/2017

Dunno if KCP is that. His splits are fine, but it doesn't look like he was anything more than average. He and RJ have struggled together, whereas he played well with Ish. Not sure how that would bode for him in the Spurs' system. Feel like if Green were on the Pistons, he would have had the opposite results, and that seems more desirable.

Frankly, I really remember Jackson from his Spur-killer days in OKC. But he was a ball-dominant scorer, so KCP's struggles with him do not surprise me. Plus, that would seem to bode well for a potential fit in SA.

[Chinook]

Frankly, I really remember Jackson from his Spur-killer days in OKC. But he was a ball-dominant scorer, so KCP's struggles with him do not surprise me. Plus, that would seem to bode well for a potential fit in SA.

I don't think a guy who can't fit in as the second option would bode well at all in an offense where he's the fourth option. He doesn't seem to play well off others. If you start thinking about replacing Parker with Mills, then at least you have a better balance, but of course, with Murray it would go right back to being awful.

[Ice009]

Didn't know that Fab and Timmy were that close. That's pretty cool.


Now that I remember, last week Sean said TD was on a motorcycle in South America so there you go. :lol

I thought Sean said that he's back in the US during the most recent game? I also thought Sean mentioned that Tim was in Chile riding around on motorcycles? What would he be doing in Chile?

[TheDoctor]

If your argument is that Danny's stats would have been worse during Collison's absence, then would they not actually be better in Collison's presence?
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[Chinook]

I thought Sean said that he's back in the US during the most recent game? I also thought Sean mentioned that Tim was in Chile riding around on motorcycles? What would he be doing in Chile?

Chilling?

[tbdog]

But the second unit plays differently than the first unit, with faster movement, cuts, and spot up. Losing Mills would change that, as he comes in hungry like a pest. Besides I think Anderson/Manu/KPC would be the pg's on offense in the playoffs and not Murray if Mills was traded for KPC.

[TheDoctor]

I thought Sean said that he's back in the US during the most recent game? I also thought Sean mentioned that Tim was in Chile riding around on motorcycles? What would he be doing in Chile?

The Motorcycle Diaries part deux.

[coachmac87]

I don't think a guy who can't fit in as the second option would bode well at all in an offense where he's the fourth option. He doesn't seem to play well off others. If you start thinking about replacing Parker with Mills, then at least you have a better balance, but of course, with Murray it would go right back to being awful.

But lets say the Spurs did do the Mills-Simmons +1st for KCP...

KCP would be the 6th man THIS year and possibly going forward..and he'd replace Mills, Manu, Simmons who are all expiring etc.

I dunno what KCP would command on the market, but I think with him being only 24 he'd be a nice asset going forward with Kawhi, Murray, Green.

This is not happening tho but I do find it fun to discuss lol

[SAGirl]

If your argument is that Danny's stats would have been worse during Collison's absence, then would they not actually be better in Collison's presence?
No...It's not really an argument. It's a statement in the sense that KCP emerged as a more dynamic offensive player in a system that gave him opportunities to make decisions with the ball to the point he was efficiently scoring and creating for others, making passes to cutters, etc. None of those things you saw when he played as a set shooter off a ball dominant guard which Reggie Jackson is. Basically he has more potential than being a set spot up shooter.

In Reggies absence he showed he's more dynamic. He could make good choices in the PnR, could find a cutter, etc. Frankly the Pistons were better when they played off their wings and forwards than they were playing off Reggie which in part caused Reggie to be traded IMO.

I am not underselling Danny but I do think KCP is a more versatile offensive player who probably has potential that wasn't known bc the system didn't call for him to do these things previously.... or maybe he's just having a good season... but he's at that age when growth like this is not impossible or uncommon.