So does Trumpcare pass the house?

[rmt]

I'm glad it failed. Why replace one shitty law with another shitty law? Let ACA go through its death spiral.

Trump will make a deal with the Democrats at that time. It will be way left of where this proposal was. That one will not stop expansion of able-bodied Medicaid expansion like this one did.

[DMX7]

Nope. They will split on tax cuts and some democrats will cross over too.

On Tax Cuts? Democrats have no reason to work with the GOP on partisan shit like that. Nancy Pelosi knows how to whip her crew.

[Trill Clinton]

bannon president not trump

[baseline bum]

Trump will make a deal with the Democrats at that time. It will be way left of where this proposal was. That one will not stop expansion of able-bodied Medicaid expansion like this one did.

It should be. His campaign promise was way left of this bill.

[CosmicCowboy]

On Tax Cuts? Democrats have no reason to work with the GOP on partisan shit like that. Nancy Pelosi knows how to whip her crew.

You are such a partisan tool. They WILL force a vote on tax cuts when they finally get around to it. There are a bunch of democrats up for reelection in 2018 that won't want to have to go home and explain why they voted for higher taxes.

[rasuo214]

That will collapse the individual market. You can't just wish away what has been done.



That's what they are trying to do. The freedom caucus is demanding things that lose the moderates and vice versa. And the things the far right want can't pass under reconciliation. Somehow they think some Senate democrats will go along their ideas which is delusional.


They should have gotten both sides together from the start and figured out what both sides agreed on and gone from there. Instead they wrote a shitty bill and only tried to patch it up when it was clear the votes weren't there. It isn't just a Republican leadership issue, it's a Washington DC issue. Instead of working on things everyone can agree on they keep it as leverage to try and force something shitty/not popular.

[rmt]

It should be. His campaign promise was way left of this bill.

Well, that's why the Freedom Caucus was so stupid not to take the concessions he made - stopping Medicaid expansion moved up from 2020, getting rid of essential benefits, etc. Look, I understand their ideology philosophies, but they have to grab the opportunity when it presents itself - so what if it isn't everything you want - it won't ever be everything you want - better 75% what you want than nothing. How many Democrats are there in the House? Way more than these Freedom Caucus. Trump will have many more Democrats to make a deal with when Obamacare implodes and imo, he will - he's not ideological at all.

[SnakeBoy]

he will - he's not ideological at all.

I agree but I don't think Baseline does. And I don't think these freedom caucus guys understand that either. If Dems gain back power Trump will cut a deal with them and say it was his idea all along.

[rasuo214]

The taxpayers are the ones who will suffer under the GOP proposal failure - in particular, those in the states that chose to expand Medicaid. 2016 was the last year that the Feds paid 100% for the Medicaid expansion. The under estimation of enrollment and cost per enrollee will put a strain on state budgets which unlike the Feds can't just print money or add to the national debt. These states will either have to raise taxes or divert money from education, transportation, prisons, etc. So congratulations to those able-bodied people receiving Medicaid and subsidies and sympathy to the rest of us stuck with cost in the thousands of dollars per month for insurance (that's assuming you're in a county that offers insurance).

That Freedom Caucus can stick to their principles but IMO they will come to regret it. Instead of compromising and taking the deal, they turned down a chance to stop Medicaid expansion (which will be the eventual ruin of us) and extend those without (big) employer-sponsored insurance the same tax treatment (hurts small business). So what will happen now - Obamacare collapses to the point where people are screaming, Democrats come to the table, Trump makes a deal with them and the Freedom Caucus are worse off than if they had taken this deal - really dumb. I know this proposal took a leap of faith but you have to be a realist - take the deal, halt the insidious spread of Medicaid and piece by piece fight for those principles that will bring down costs e.g. a bill that does nothing but allow selling policies across state lines or one that does tort reform only. But that trust for steps 2 and 3 just weren't there and as I said earlier, Ryan should have had all this discussion behind closed doors a long time ago.

The republicans need to take a page out of the Democrats who are in lock step and unity - they went for ACA as a stepping stone to single payer and it now looks like they'll get there as this able bodied Medicaid becomes more and more entrenched.

This Bill was a disaster, all this talk that Phase 2 and Phase 3 would have made it better is BS. Phase 3 would have required 60 Senate votes and that wasn't happening. There was nothing to be gained for the Freedom Caucus by passing it (they had a lot more to lose). If Moderates decide to bypass conservatives they will face primary challenges in the future.

[DarrinS]

The approval rating of the president matters. Dear Leader crying wolf for months has made him so hated by the public and he was a cancer on the bill. I can't imagine there being the same mobilization in the town halls if this was President Pence trying to push this awful bill.

Meh, a bunch of Democrats trolled GOP town halls. Tea party did the same thing years back.

The thing about the Dems getting their beloved health care bill -- in some degree, it contributed to them losing every branch of govt. Don't you think this was on the minds of house GOP today!

[Reck]

Meh, a bunch of Democrats trolled GOP town halls. Tea party did the same thing years back.

The thing about the Dems getting their beloved health care bill -- in some degree, it contributed to them losing every branch of govt. Don't you think this was on the minds of house GOP today!

Dude, Obamacare is more popular than Trump and the ill fated GOP health bill combined right now. :lol

[DarrinS]

Dude, Obamacare is more popular than Trump and the ill fated GOP health bill combined right now. :lol

GOP controls entire govt, in part, because of Obamacare. :lol

[baseline bum]

Meh, a bunch of Democrats trolled GOP town halls. Tea party did the same thing years back.

The thing about the Dems getting their beloved health care bill -- in some degree, it contributed to them losing every branch of govt. Don't you think this was on the minds of house GOP today!

You think the country is shifting right, but I think it was more about Clinton being a horrible candidate everyone hated. If the country was really going right how is Obamacare at its highest approval rating? How is Obama so popular? You're nuts if you think the millions of people in the streets protesting and all the old white people complaining at the town halls didn't mean anything. You really believe those were all moveon.org trolls when the AHCA had a 17% approval rating?

[baseline bum]

I agree but I don't think Baseline does. And I don't think these freedom caucus guys understand that either. If Dems gain back power Trump will cut a deal with them and say it was his idea all along.

I don't think Trump is an ideologue. I think he's someone with a beef against Obama for the way Obama humiliated him at that White House Correspondence Dinner when he started ragging on Trump as a lunatic conspiracy theorist. According to own staff that's when Trump decided he was going to run for president. You kept saying he was really a democrat but his actions since taking office have been pretty far right.

[Reck]

GOP controls entire govt, in part, because of Obamacare. :lol

Too bad this is the present. Cant live in the past anymore Darrins.

Your republican party doesn't know how to lead. They're a bunch of scare yes man. The country is better off when Democrats are in power.

[boutons_deux]

Blaming the Dems! :lol

Trash is such a piece of shit

[rasuo214]

You think the country is shifting right, but I think it was more about Clinton being a horrible candidate everyone hated. If the country was really going right how is Obamacare at its highest approval rating? How is Obama so popular? You're nuts if you think the millions of people in the streets protesting and all the old white people complaining at the town halls didn't mean anything. You really believe those were all moveon.org trolls when the AHCA had a 17% approval rating?

Well Republican have the most control that they've had in almost a Century. Governors, State reps, US Senate and House, Presidency and soon the SC. I'm not sure how you can gloss over that and pretend Democrats haven't been done something wrong. Especially when they were handed a massive gift in Bush.

[rmt]

You think the country is shifting right, but I think it was more about Clinton being a horrible candidate everyone hated. If the country was really going right how is Obamacare at its highest approval rating? How is Obama so popular? You're nuts if you think the millions of people in the streets protesting and all the old white people complaining at the town halls didn't mean anything. You really believe those were all moveon.org trolls when the AHCA had a 17% approval rating?

The country is shifting left - the young people have been indoctrinated by the public schools and colleges. Parents and society are to blame too - certificates and trophies for participation and diversity instead of personal responsibility, achievement and merit. But this election, the left went too far ignoring fly-over country and concentrating on the isms and some are sick and tired of them. I don't think that left or right has anything to do with Obamacare as far as the people are concerned. Whether right or left, everybody loves something for nothing. It's more a battle of the haves (older or working) vs the have nots (young or maybe unemployed or not great prospects). Many on the board see this expansion of Medicaid as a good thing. I don't. I am fine with Medicaid for kids, widows and the disabled - but NOT able-bodied people. They need to work for it just like all of us paying thousands for ours else resentment sets in.

These republicans need to develop a backbone. Like athletes, they need to make hay while the sun shines - make most of your time in the sun - that is NOW for republicans. Stop squabbling amongst yourself and get as much done as possible.

[baseline bum]

Well Republican have the most control that they've had in almost a Century. Governors, State reps, US Senate and House, Presidency and soon the SC. I'm not sure how you can gloss over that and pretend Democrats haven't been done something wrong. Especially when they were handed a massive gift in Bush.

Umm, nominating Clinton was a pretty huge mistake. The GOP stole that SC spot.

[baseline bum]

The country is shifting left - the young people have been indoctrinated by the public schools and colleges. Parents and society are to blame too - certificates and trophies for participation and diversity instead of personal responsibility, achievement and merit. But this election, the left went too far ignoring fly-over country and concentrating on the isms and some are sick and tired of them. I don't think that left or right has anything to do with Obamacare as far as the people are concerned. Whether right or left, everybody loves something for nothing. It's more a battle of the haves (older or working) vs the have nots (young or maybe unemployed or not great prospects). Many on the board see this expansion of Medicaid as a good thing. I don't. I am fine with Medicaid for kids, widows and the disabled - but NOT able-bodied people. They need to work for it just like all of us paying thousands for ours else resentment sets in.

These republicans need to develop a backbone. Like athletes, they need to make hay while the sun shines - make most of your time in the sun - that is NOW for republicans. Stop squabbling amongst yourself and get as much done as possible.

Indoctrinated by public schools :lmao

Same old tired textbook rightwing crap from you always

[Reck]

Umm, nominating Clinton was a pretty huge mistake. The GOP stole that SC spot.

I dont think she would have stuck with Garland and the republicans would have rejected him anyway. But they would have been forced to at least give the guy a fair hearing.

[DarrinS]

Too bad this is the present. Cant live in the past anymore Darrins.

Your republican party doesn't know how to lead. They're a bunch of scare yes man. The country is better off when Democrats are in power.


Yeah, they lost power because of their "popular" policies. :lol

[BanditHiro]

Well I got this one wrong. The republican party is a mess.

they are the party of obstructionism. They aren't built to govern. They are the dog that chased and caught the ambulance

[DMX7]

You are such a partisan tool. They WILL force a vote on tax cuts when they finally get around to it. There are a bunch of democrats up for reelection in 2018 that won't want to have to go home and explain why they voted for higher taxes.

Those tax cuts will go mostly to the rich which is something democrats DON'T want. Republicans will have to do it on their own. But lucky for them, it's more simple than healthcare reform. Who would have thought healthcare could be so complicated? :lol

[Reck]

Yeah, they lost power because of their "popular" policies. :lol

They lost power because the right is easily conned. They bought into the repeal and replace heavy.

Turns out Obamacare is pretty decent compare to what these GOpers are coming with. lol

[spurraider21]

Just look at when they polled people about the affordable care act and polled the SAME people in obamacare

[AaronY]

It would have passed if not for the millions of illegal votes.
:lmao

[boutons_deux]

"force a vote on tax cuts when they finally get around to it."

AHCA included $100Bs of tax cuts over 10 years.

Later, the Repugs will cut taxes even more, paid for by tax cuts on everything but the military and vets (I don't believe they will really help vets)

[rmt]

Indoctrinated by public schools :lmao

Same old tired textbook rightwing crap from you always

I guess you think that public schools are over run with conservative types who spend the majority of the kids' days teaching them right wing crap instead of union, liberal types indoctrinating them. How do you explain the shift to the left then - especially of the young? Or what about those liberal professors - like that loon who was screaming her head off in that video.

[baseline bum]

I guess you think that public schools are over run with conservative types who spend the majority of the kids' days teaching them right wing crap instead of union, liberal types indoctrinating them. How do you explain the shift to the left then - especially of the young? Or what about those liberal professors - like that loon who was screaming her head off in that video.

:lol If I wanted to know Rush Limbaugh's opinion I'd put it on 1200 AM and tune into that fat fuck

[baseline bum]

It would have passed if not for the millions of illegal votes.

:rollin

[DarrinS]

Does anyone actually know anyone on Obamacare? I don't.

[Quadzilla99]

I guess you think that public schools are over run with conservative types who spend the majority of the kids' days teaching them right wing crap instead of union, liberal types indoctrinating them. How do you explain the shift to the left then - especially of the young? Or what about those liberal professors - like that loon who was screaming her head off in that video.
Young people always skew left then get somewhat conservative as they age. But they become conservative relative to their time period meaning that if they were liberal in 1980 they're conservative now but in many cases fine with things like gay marriage and such. Even all this race baiting stuff like demonizing illegals will go away as hispanics become more a part of the electorate and you guys move forward and pick some Hispanic conservative to win their vote (which is possible since I don't think Hispanics will just vote block Democrat forever like a lot of people think especially if the candidates are a Hispanic man and a white woman for instance). Even if you blocked all illegal Hispanics from coming in the birth rates and such show them becoming more and more a higher % of the electorate.

[Th'Pusher]

Does anyone actually know anyone on Obamacare? I don't.

roughly 6% of people get their insurance through the exchanges iirc. Most people get their insurance through their employer. Ask snakeboy, he appears to be unemployed :lol

[DMX7]

Mr. Trump looked resigned today. He looked so low energy.

[rmt]

Young people always skew left then get somewhat conservative as they age. But they become conservative relative to their time period meaning that if they were liberal in 1980 they're conservative now but in many cases fine with things like gay marriage and such. Even all this race baiting stuff like demonizing illegals will go away as hispanics become more a part of the electorate and you guys move forward and pick some Hispanic conservative to win their vote (which is possible since I don't think Hispanics will just vote block Democrat forever like a lot of people think especially if the candidates are a Hispanic man and a white woman for instance). Even if you blocked all illegal Hispanics from coming in the birth rates and such show them becoming more and more a higher % of the electorate.

Young people are skewing much more left now than previously. Remember that most households are 2 income households now - the mother invariably must work just to make ends meet. That means the schools are where the kids spend the majority of the day, where they get most of their ideas from. Even among my 3 children - 3 years apart, I see a difference in how their classmates are. The youngest is among a class full of snowflakes - they whine and complain so much - so unlike my older whose class was much tougher, ambitious and hard-working.

Race is not an issue with me. Imo, Americans dwell on/put too much stock in it. I'd say I have much more in common with the Cubans surrounding me than Americans - much more like Jamaicans culture-wise, family-wise and food-wise.

[Th'Pusher]

Young people are skewing much more left now than previously. Remember that most households are 2 income households now - the mother invariably must work just to make ends meet. That means the schools are where the kids spend the majority of the day, where they get most of their ideas from. Even among my 3 children - 3 years apart, I see a difference in how their classmates are. The youngest is among a class full of snowflakes - they whine and complain so much - so unlike my older whose class was much tougher, ambitious and hard-working.

Race is not an issue with me. Imo, Americans dwell on/put too much stock in it. I'd say I have much more in common with the Cubans surrounding me than Americans - much more like Jamaicans culture-wise, family-wise and food-wise.

On a scale of 1 to 10 rate Trump's performance thus far since winning the election.

[rmt]

Does anyone actually know anyone on Obamacare? I don't.

Even if you're not on the exchanges or buy your insurance independently, your employer-sponsored insurance is affected by ACA. There is an aca fee for every policy and every policy must have the 10 essential benefits which drive up price in order to be aca-compliant. Depending on your company's size (over 50), they must provide health insurance or pay a fee.

[Th'Pusher]

Even if you're not on the exchanges or buy your insurance independently, your employer-sponsored insurance is affected by ACA. There is an aca fee for every policy and every policy must have the 10 essential benefits which drive up price in order to be aca-compliant. Depending on your company's size (over 50), they must provide health insurance or pay a fee.

What happens when a woman shows up in the emergency room in labor without insurance?

[rmt]

On a scale of 1 to 10 rate Trump's performance thus far since winning the election.

Before today's big flop, I'd rate it a 7 - he has tried to do a lot that he promised - sometimes moving too fast. After today, probably a 5. This is from my pov - what I wanted out of him when I voted for him. If he lowers corporate taxes to 15% and repatriates the trillions abroad resulting in jobs, I'll consider it a very successful presidency - a 9.

In general, he needs to improve his messaging - going on TV and explaining whatever he's going to do before doing it - iow, sell it better. And he needs to let go of whatever mistakes he makes - like the Obama wiretap. And for heaven's sake, don't even mention Russia and stop perpetuating the Dems message.

[rmt]

What happens when a woman shows up in the emergency room in labor without insurance?

What about it? They can't refuse her treatment - just like they can't since Reagan?

[DMX7]

What about it? They can't refuse her treatment - just like they can't since Reagan?
True, but who pays?

[rmt]

True, but who pays?

Taxpayers - just like they have since Reagan. And you do know that ER use has gone up since ACA?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/mar/10/tom-price/hhs-chief-tom-price-correct-er-use-obamacare/

[Th'Pusher]

Before today's big flop, I'd rate it a 7 - he has tried to do a lot that he promised - sometimes moving too fast. After today, probably a 5. This is from my pov - what I wanted out of him when I voted for him. If he lowers corporate taxes to 15% and repatriates the trillions abroad resulting in jobs, I'll consider it a very successful presidency - a 9.

In general, he needs to improve his messaging - going on TV and explaining whatever he's going to do before doing it - iow, sell it better. And he needs to let go of whatever mistakes he makes - like the Obama wiretap. And for heaven's sake, don't even mention Russia and stop perpetuating the Dems message.

So now it's about taxes?

We tried the repatriation tactic. We know the results. Why do you think it will be different?

I can get behind leveling the playing field on corporate taxes (although 15% seems like a race to the bottom), but you're talking about eliminating loopholes that are lobbied for; hard. If Donald can't get a significant majority in the house to repeal and replace the ACA after whining about it for seven years, I have little faith in his ability to do anything. He's totally ineffectual and a poor leader. Compare his half assed effort to pass trumpcare with the political capital Obama invested in the ACA. It's pathetic. He has the attention span of a 3 year old. He will be considered one of the worst presidents in modern political history, imo.

[Th'Pusher]

Taxpayers - just like they have since Reagan. And you do know that ER use has gone up since ACA?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/mar/10/tom-price/hhs-chief-tom-price-correct-er-use-obamacare/

Glad we can agree these costs are shared by taxpayers.

I'd argue the increase in ER visits since the passage of the ACA is simply awareness that people know they can't be turned away.

That's not a bad thing imo.

[rasuo214]

Umm, nominating Clinton was a pretty huge mistake. The GOP stole that SC spot.

I agree about Clinton but that still doesn't account for all of the other Republican gains.

[Spurminator]

I guess you think that public schools are over run with conservative types who spend the majority of the kids' days teaching them right wing crap instead of union, liberal types indoctrinating them. How do you explain the shift to the left then - especially of the young? Or what about those liberal professors - like that loon who was screaming her head off in that video.

Maybe people make up their own minds and more people are deciding that conservative ideology is backwards. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean the rest had to have been brainwashed.

[Spurminator]

Does anyone actually know anyone on Obamacare? I don't.

Well yeah, no shit. Let me guess, you also don't know any homosexuals, Muslims, scientists, or feminists.

You've also never discussed race with a black person outside of the internet.

Am I warm?

[mavsfan1000]

I dont think she would have stuck with Garland and the republicans would have rejected him anyway. But they would have been forced to at least give the guy a fair hearing.
You can have Obamacare. We're getting Gorsuch. :)

[rmt]

So now it's about taxes?

We tried the repatriation tactic. We know the results. Why do you think it will be different?

I can get behind leveling the playing field on corporate taxes (although 15% seems like a race to the bottom), but you're talking about eliminating loopholes that are lobbied for; hard. If Donald can't get a significant majority in the house to repeal and replace the ACA after whining about it for seven years, I have little faith in his ability to do anything. He's totally ineffectual and a poor leader. Compare his half assed effort to pass trumpcare with the political capital Obama invested in the ACA. It's pathetic. He has the attention span of a 3 year old. He will be considered one of the worst presidents in modern political history, imo.

Look, you asked me to rate him so I did. It's not like I volunteered my opinion or (very respectfully) asked for yours - I can already guess the opinion of most on Trump and gee whiz, it's only been what 63? days.

Sorry, it's been a bad day as a republican so maybe I'm venting more than usual. I just want to get it all out and enjoy myself with dh at tennis tomorrow - gonna see the GOAT (although he loses every time I see him live at Miami Open) - maybe I'm a jinx. But 2017 for Federer is like 2014 for the Spurs for me - delicious icing on the cake.

[AaronY]

You can have Obamacare. We're getting Gorsuch. :)
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267156&p=8943749#post8943749 :)

[ElNono]

They should have gotten both sides together from the start and figured out what both sides agreed on and gone from there. Instead they wrote a shitty bill and only tried to patch it up when it was clear the votes weren't there. It isn't just a Republican leadership issue, it's a Washington DC issue. Instead of working on things everyone can agree on they keep it as leverage to try and force something shitty/not popular.

Congress has had a level of acrimony where they basically made a word like 'consensus' nearly an insult. This is on both sides, but even worse on red team.

[AaronY]

Congress has had a level of acrimony where they basically made a word like 'consensus' nearly an insult. This is on both sides, but even worse on red team.
Yeah, if like Obama paid a compliment to a red team member and said he liked him guy might as well off himself because its all over for him with his base

[ElNono]

GOP controls entire govt, in part, because of Obamacare. :lol

Personally, despite I don't like that law at all, I think Barrycarre has very little to do with that. The GOP ran on that 4 years ago and lost. I think the biggest factors were incumbency, the Dems embrace of globalization to the detriment of the working class, which started to eat into even the middle class, and Shillary being a terrible candidate who embodied a lot of that.

Let's not pretend that Trump didn't run on an anti-globalization, anti free-market platform. That's pretty much what won him the rust belt and probably PA.

[Reck]

Yeah, if like Obama paid a compliment to a red team member and said he liked him guy might as well off himself because its all over for him with his base

That was Barry's problem. He tried to be cozy with the republicans caving in and appointing conservatives to important roles all the time. And at the end it didn't matter because they still hated his guts.

[Splits]

845453917064441857

lol

[Splits]

An honest read from the far right: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-cave-on-obamacare-repeal-is-the-biggest-broken-promise-in-political-history/article/2618413#!


Republicans for years have criticized the process that produced Obamacare, and things certainly got ugly. But after having just witnessed this debacle, I think Paul Ryan owes Nancy Pelosi an apology.

One has to admire the commitment that Democrats and Obama had to delivering something they campaigned on and truly believed in. They spent 13 months getting the bill from an initial concept to final passage, and pressed on during many points when everybody was predicting doom. They had public hearings, multiple drafts of different bills, they kept negotiating, even worked into Christmas. They made significant changes at times, but also never lost sight of their key goals. They didn't back down in the face of angry town halls and after losing their filibuster-proof majority, and many members cast votes that they knew risked their political careers. Obama himself was a leader, who consistently made it clear that he was not going to walk away. He did countless rallies, meetings, speeches — even a "summit" at the Blair House — to try to sell the bill, talking about details, responding to criticisms of the bill to the point that he was mocked by conservatives for talking so much about healthcare.

The contrast between Obama and Democrats on healthcare and what just happened is stunning. House Republicans slapped together a bill in a few weeks (months if we're being generous) behind closed doors with barely any debate. They moved the bill through committees at blazing speed, conducted closed-door negotiations that resulted in relatively minor tweaks to the bill, and within 17 days, Trump decided that he'd had enough, and was ready to walk away if members didn't accept the bill as is.

[DMX7]

845453917064441857

lol

Thanks congressman David Valadao!

[baseline bum]

845453917064441857

lol

That ad was so annoying. In San Antonio that ad played nonstop, thank Will Hurd for repealing Obamacare.

[AaronY]

845373755136380929

[AaronY]

Lol fantasy football. Dear God.

[DMX7]

That ad was so annoying. In San Antonio that ad played nonstop, thank Will Hurd for repealing Obamacare.

Seems like the PAC spent a lot of money on embarrassing itself.

[Warlord23]

Basically what Barton is saying is that his voters are too dumb to figure out that he's been stringing them along all this while. And the dumbfucks in his district will almost certainly send him back to DC in 2 years' time.

The longest-running con is the GOP crusade against Roe v Wade. It's been 44 years since abortion has been legal, and 95% of GOP candidates at every level have been duping their base into thinking they'll help reverse it. Never mind that in those 4 decades they've had full control of government and a favorable Supreme Court at multiple instances.

So these are early days still. The GOP is going to milk the healthcare cow till the last baby boomer dies. And the tlongs, rmts and wild cobras who vote for them will keep falling for it.

[AaronY]

Lol

845635296607789056

[djohn2oo8]

Lol

845635296607789056

:lmao

[Splits]

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[boutons_deux]

"... On Day One" :lol

[boutons_deux]

The Health-Care Bill Embraces the GOP’s Scariest State-Level Experiments

We all live in Kansas now.

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-health-care-bill-embraces-the-gops-scariest-state-level-experiments/

[boutons_deux]

Read a great point

Repugs own health care now.

Repeal ACA 60+ times but can't replace or even fix it now that the ammunition is live?

Health care BELONGS to the Repugs now.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs Can't Get Their Shit Together on Health Care: The Daily Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6mQYfrbuDQ&t=329s

[boutons_deux]

Steve Bannon ordered conservative Republicans to vote for Trumpcare and they just laughed at him (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/25/1647215/-Steve-Bannon-ordered-conservative-Republicans-to-vote-for-Trumpcare-and-they-just-laughed-at-him)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/381934/story_image/bannonclown.jpg?1490461155

"Guys, look. This is not a discussion. This is not a debate. You have no choice but to vote for this bill."

Bannon's point was: This is the Republican platform. You're the conservative wing of the Republican Party. But people in the room were put off by the dictatorial mindset.

One of the members replied:

"You know, the last time someone ordered me to something,

I was 18 years old.

And it was my daddy.

And I didn't listen to him, either."

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/25/1647215/-Steve-Bannon-ordered-conservative-Republicans-to-vote-for-Trumpcare-and-they-just-laughed-at-him

[boutons_deux]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tYNN9VAAAYs5K.jpg

http://images.dailykos.com/images/380481/story_image/GOP_AHCA_ObamaCare-Swimsuit_TrumpCare_Fat-Golf.jpg?1490127855

[Trill Clinton]

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[boutons_deux]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7t8ZniXwAAJO-8.jpg

[Splits]

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[spurraider21]

Mr. Trump looked resigned today. He looked so low energy.He wakes up, he tweets, then he goes to sleep.

I don't think he has the stamina to be president.

[mavsfan1000]

Seriously, Paul Ryan is to blame here. Not Trump. Congress in general sucks.

[Will Hunting]

Lol fantasy football. Dear God.
I actually think the Republicans railing against Obamacare for 8 years without coming up with a better solution at all is pretty comparable to fantasy football :lol

[mavsfan1000]

I actually think the Republicans railing against Obamacare for 8 years without coming up with a better solution at all is pretty comparable to fantasy football :lol
Can't defend Congress here. But Trump has only been here 64 days. Quite a steep learning curve.

[Will Hunting]

Can't defend Congress here. But Trump has only been here 64 days. Quite a steep learning curve.
:lmao you have pretty low standards for the fucking president who you thought was going to make your life so much better

:cry it's a steep learning curve :cry
:cry good job, good effort from Trump :cry

[baseline bum]

You gotta think that 17% approval rating for the ACHA was fueled largely by Trump's terrible approval rating. If Trump would have just shut the fuck up with his stupid conspiracy theories he might have gotten that piece of shit bill through. But him being such a lunatic really mobilized opposition.

[Will Hunting]

You gotta think that 17% approval rating for the ACHA was fueled largely by Trump's terrible approval rating. If Trump would have just shut the fuck up with his stupid conspiracy theories he might have gotten that piece of shit bill through. But him being such a lunatic really mobilized opposition.
I think it also had something to do with the bill being an extremely shitty version of Obamacare that accomplishes nothing other than cutting taxes for rich people and giving more corporate welfare to insurance companies.

[baseline bum]

I think it also had something to do with the bill being an extremely shitty version of Obamacare that accomplishes nothing other than cutting taxes for rich people and giving more corporate welfare to insurance companies.

The GOP passes those kind of bills all the time though.

[djohn2oo8]

The GOP passes those kind of bills all the time though.

Them niggas were terrified of those crowds at the town halls.

[benefactor]

:corn:

[djohn2oo8]

845464996695883776
:lmao

[boutons_deux]

You gotta think that 17% approval rating for the ACHA was fueled largely by Trump's terrible approval rating.

Apparently, Trash's Kool-aid cult is blaming everybody BUT Trash, who himself drank Ryan's juice.

[RD2191]

So is this what winning is? :lmao

[MultiTroll]

I think it also had something to do with the bill being an extremely shitty version of Obamacare that accomplishes nothing other than cutting taxes for rich people and giving more corporate welfare to insurance companies.


The GOP passes those kind of bills all the time though.
Both true.
:lol

[ducks]

trump wishes he did taxes first he was going to
he gave in to ryan
a win on taxes and if he got democrats to help him their he could have offered them something with the health thing
but I guess he can say you do the tax he will put something in the bill for them for the health

[ducks]

So is this what winning is? :lmao

tarp failed first this is not over

[ElNono]

tarp failed first this is not over

dubya was largely seen a loser and lame duck by then tho

[ducks]

Salena Zito: Trump's Numbers Still High in Heartland

[baseline bum]

So how retarded is Trump, blaming the Democrats for not voting for his shitty Trumpcare bill that had 17% approval? The Democrats must be loving how Dear Leader keeps highlighting how this horrific bill didn't get a single vote from their party. The DNC should use that in their commercials for the 2018 midterms.

[boutons_deux]

Trump is ‘red hot’ with rage over healthcare debacle and determined to make disloyal Republicans pay

PVL so-called Pres es. Donald Trump is reportedly “red hot” with rage (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/26/trump-keeps-ripping-republicans-while-priebus-says-it-s-time-to-move-on.html) over the failure of his healthcare bill — which Republicans pulled from consideration before it even reached a vote on Friday — and eager to punish Republicans like the House of Representatives’ Freedom Caucus who contributed to the bill’s failure.

Meanwhile, according to Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-republicans-freedom-caucus-236515), vicious infighting in the House between the far-right Freedom Caucus — led by Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) and the more moderate “Tuesday Group” — headed by Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) — is making negotiations with the White House even more complicated.

The Daily Beast said on Sunday (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/26/trump-keeps-ripping-republicans-while-priebus-says-it-s-time-to-move-on.html) that aides like senior advisor Reince Priebus are urging Trump to move on, but the president is determined that Republicans who showed disloyalty to his administration must pay a price.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/trump-is-red-hot-with-rage-over-healthcare-debacle-and-determined-to-make-disloyal-republicans-pay/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Trash's govt is a fucked up as he is.

[boutons_deux]

10 Lessons From the Republican Health-Care Debacle


1. Don't hire a businessman to do a politician's job.

2. Donald Trump is not a very good negotiator.

3. Paul Ryan is not very good at being speaker of the House.

4. The Tea Party is still an opposition force.

5. Major policy changes require time and work.

6. Learn the lessons of the past.

7. The substance of policy matters.

8. Grassroots mobilization works.

9. Don't get high on your own supply.

10. The public has finally accepted that health care is a right, not a privilege.

http://prospect.org/article/10-lessons-republican-health-care-debacle

As long as health insurance, health care is provided as product instead of a non-profit service, America will remains fucked and unfuckable.

BigCorp/1%/VRWC/Repugs have fucked and will continue to fuck America and Americans.

[pgardn]

Trump is ‘red hot’ with rage over healthcare debacle and determined to make disloyal Republicans pay

PVL so-called Pres es. Donald Trump is reportedly “red hot” with rage (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/26/trump-keeps-ripping-republicans-while-priebus-says-it-s-time-to-move-on.html) over the failure of his healthcare bill — which Republicans pulled from consideration before it even reached a vote on Friday — and eager to punish Republicans like the House of Representatives’ Freedom Caucus who contributed to the bill’s failure.

Meanwhile, according to Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-republicans-freedom-caucus-236515), vicious infighting in the House between the far-right Freedom Caucus — led by Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) and the more moderate “Tuesday Group” — headed by Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) — is making negotiations with the White House even more complicated.

The Daily Beast said on Sunday (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/26/trump-keeps-ripping-republicans-while-priebus-says-it-s-time-to-move-on.html) that aides like senior advisor Reince Priebus are urging Trump to move on, but the president is determined that Republicans who showed disloyalty to his administration must pay a price.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/trump-is-red-hot-with-rage-over-healthcare-debacle-and-determined-to-make-disloyal-republicans-pay/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Trash's govt is a fucked up as he is.




I hope you are not reveling in this. We need AHCA amended. Its not gonna solve anything if Republicans start fighting like children.

[boutons_deux]

I hope you are not reveling in this. We need AHCA amended. Its not gonna solve anything if Republicans start fighting like children.

Fuck your hope, bitch

AHCA is unfixable. It's blatant class warfare, a huge tax cut for the wealthy, and a fuck job for citizens.

[pgardn]

Fuck your hope, bitch

AHCA is unfixable. It's blatant class warfare, a huge tax cut for the wealthy, and a fuck job for citizens.

Sorry.

The affordable version.
"Obamacare"

It is not sustainable. Unless you are ready to die. Then someone like you probably would not care.

[mavsfan1000]

The deductibles are too high. Most can't even use Obamacare.

[boutons_deux]

The AHCA may be dead, but big insurance adored it — and they like Obamacare, too

But know this: They love it

Their fingerprints are all over what the Republicans are calling the American Health Care Act.

In fact, more than half of the big insurers’ revenues is now coming from the government, not the private sector. And they’re fine with that.

It gets rid of those pesky new rules on consumer protection

they smell an opportunity to get rid of most of those pesky new rules. Don’t think for a minute that the ACA’s regulations have been a big drag on profits. Even with those consumer protections, most insurance companies have reported record profits (http://www.salon.com/2016/10/28/making-a-killing-under-obamacare-the-aca-gets-the-blame-for-rising-premiums-while-insurance-companies-are-reaping-massive-profits/) during the Obamacare years, and their investors are considerably richer.

The share price of the biggest health insurer, UnitedHealth Group, has increased more than 1,000 percent (http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/unh) since the early days of the Obama administration.

It is a myth that the big for-profit insurers like the ones I worked for have an interest in providing all of us with access to affordable care. That would conflict with their top priority, which, as I quickly learned in my corporate job, is to “enhance shareholder value.”

It is also a myth that the for-profits are even still in the insurance business in a significant way.

Goodbye individual mandate, hello insurance gap

Under the GOP plan, if there is a gap in your coverage (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/07/third-ranking-gop-senator-sees-30-penalty-for-insurance-gaps-as-fairer-than-obamacares-no-coverage-tax.html) of 63 days or longer, insurers can charge you 30 percent more when you reapply. This is the GOP/insurance industry stick to discourage people from going without insurance. The problem is that many people will go 63 days or longer without coverage because of a job loss.

Now you know why insurers haven’t joined doctors and hospitals and many others in condemning the American Health Care Act.

Overall, it would be a big win for health insurance companies, the big for-profits in particular.

And, of course, their top executives and shareholders. Too bad the House vote was canceled — again.

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/26/the-ahca-may-be-dead-but-big-insurance-adored-it-and-they-like-obamacare-too_partner/

[boutons_deux]

Republican Congressman fesses up that Trumpcare just a tax cut scheme (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/27/1647577/-Republican-Congressman-fesses-up-that-Trumpcare-just-a-tax-cut-scheme)

Charlie Dent's words on Trumpcare / tax cuts should be played in a loop

"Well, I am not going to deny that," Dent said. I listened very respectfully to what the President had to say. But my bottom line is this.

This discussion has been far too much about artificial timelines, arbitrary deadlines all to affect the baseline on tax reform.

This conversation should be more about the people whose lives are going to be impacted by our decisions on their health care.

We did not have enough of a substantive discussion.

I am holding up a plan from Republican governors, from expansion states like mine, Kasich, Snyder, Sandoval, Hutchinson.

They wanted to be part of this process.

They were not brought in.

I mean those kinds of issues are very important to me and to the people I represent and frankly to a lot of the members of Congress who are part of our Center Right group, The Tuesday Group.

We are very concerned about the Medicaid changes. I can hold my ground."

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/27/1647577/-Republican-Congressman-fesses-up-that-Trumpcare-just-a-tax-cut-scheme?detail=email&link_id=3&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-cartoon-poor-trump-voter&email_referrer=cartoon-poor-trump-voter&email_subject=cartoon-poor-trump-voter

The RUSH to pass AHCA was a hope that people wouldn't find out had bad it was for them. And, above all, it was a $100Bs tax cut for the wealthy.

[boutons_deux]

The Real Reason Why Obamacare Now Has a (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/26/1647457/-The-Real-Reason-Why-Obamacare-Now-Has-a-54-Approval-Rating) 54%? Approval Rating (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/26/1647457/-The-Real-Reason-Why-Obamacare-Now-Has-a-54-Approval-Rating)

CNN had an eye opening story yesterday that’s been flying under the radar and really deserves to be given a lot more attention. In his article The cruel double standard that may have saved Obamacare (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/obamacare-double-standard/), John Blake explores a very simple rationale for why Obamacare is suddenly gaining in popularity.

The face of Obamacare is now white.

More Americans now realize Obamacare helps millions of working class whites and that

it's not -- as once portrayed by conservatives -- a form of welfare pushed by the first black president to help people of color

, historians and scholars say.

The media landscape is filled with images of the furrowed brows of anxious white residents at congressional town halls who fear they will suffer if they lose Obamacare, says Judy Lubin, a sociologist and adjunct professor at Howard University in Washington.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/3/26/1647457/-The-Real-Reason-Why-Obamacare-Now-Has-a-54-Approval-Rating?detail=email&link_id=10&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-cartoon-poor-trump-voter&email_referrer=cartoon-poor-trump-voter&email_subject=cartoon-poor-trump-voter

[RandomGuy]

I'm going to say yes, I think this piece of shit will get passed tomorrow.

I thought it would go through in the beginning as well, don't feel bad. :)

Until I head that the whackadoodle caucus was again'

[RandomGuy]

So how retarded is Trump, blaming the Democrats for not voting for his shitty Trumpcare bill that had 17% approval? The Democrats must be loving how Dear Leader keeps highlighting how this horrific bill didn't get a single vote from their party. The DNC should use that in their commercials for the 2018 midterms.

That shit is going to be a badge of honor.

Dems swept into power campaigning against Shrub, and will get to run effectively against Trump in 2018. I only wonder how many more votes Trump is going to lose for his party before then.

[boutons_deux]

how many more votes Trump is going to lose for his party before then.

Trash's policies are ESTABLISHMENT Repug policies. Identical.

[AaronY]

Ryan's trying to piece together a new plan:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/paul-ryan-house-republicans-will-continue-their-push-for-health-care-reform-this-year/2017/03/27/8e331e86-130c-11e7-833c-503e1f6394c9_story.html?utm_term=.fde036b0ce83

Some tweet highlights if you don't wanna read the whole thing:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mikedebonis/status/846469867695943684

[mavsfan1000]

Paul Ryan is a snake. I'm hoping Trump catches on. But Paul Ryan is a globalist. I trust Rand Paul and Ted Cruz way more.

[spurraider21]

:lmao onion with the goods

GOP Makes Good On 2009 Promise To Block President’s Healthcare Bill (http://www.theonion.com/article/gop-makes-good-2009-promise-block-presidents-healt-55630)

[baseline bum]

:lmao onion with the goods

GOP Makes Good On 2009 Promise To Block President’s Healthcare Bill (http://www.theonion.com/article/gop-makes-good-2009-promise-block-presidents-healt-55630)

:rollin

[pgardn]

:lmao onion with the goods

GOP Makes Good On 2009 Promise To Block President’s Healthcare Bill (http://www.theonion.com/article/gop-makes-good-2009-promise-block-presidents-healt-55630)



Its funny but actually difficult to tell if it's satire. I can vividly see some Trumpet giving a strange, "we win" press conference, after an anvil has fallen on their head.

America First dammit.

[Adam Lambert]

http://i.imgur.com/SkrhSc2.jpg

[boutons_deux]

GOP Strategist: Trump’s Health Care Dealmaking Went Over Like a ‘Fart in a Hurricane’

http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-strategist-trumps-health-care-dealmaking-went-over-like-a-fart-in-a-hurricane/

[boutons_deux]

The AHCA: Mass Murder in Broad Daylight

The latest version that the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office had a chance to analyze would have,

over the course of 10 years,

cut taxes by $1 trillion, disproportionately benefiting the rich;

cut Medicaid spending by $839 billion, exclusively harming the poor and sick; and

cut the Affordable Care Act's health insurance subsidies by about $300 billion, mostly hurting older people of modest means.

Add it all up, and the CBO estimated that 24 million people would have lost their health insurance as a result. It would have allowed them to pass two permanent tax cuts for the rich.

even basic items like emergency room and maternity care were chopped down because the Freedom Caucus found them to be too generous. Ponder that a moment:

This bill failed not because it was too vicious, but because it was not vicious enough.

Make no mistake about it:

This was a mass murder bill, plain and simple,

one that would have lost by only a handful of votes had it come to the floor of the House.

an underlying eugenicist view within Trump and Bannon's camp that the lives of the rich and powerful matter more and are the only ones worth protecting because they believe the rich are genetically superior to the poor.

In a recent New Republic article (https://newrepublic.com/article/140641/trump-turned-gop-party-eugenics), journalist Sarah Jones documented the prevalence of this view within Trump's inner circles:

The most powerful people in America appear to enthusiastically embrace the idea that humans can be divided into inherently superior and inferior specimens and treated accordingly.

"You have to be born lucky," President Donald Trump told Oprah Winfrey in 1988, "in the sense that you have to have the right genes."

His biographer Michael D'Antonio explained to Frontline that Trump and his family subscribe "to a racehorse theory of human development.

They believe that there are superior people and that if you put together the genes of a superior woman and a superior man, you get a superior offspring."

So does Trump’s chief strategist Steve Bannon, if the reports are to be believed.

Sources told The New York Times this November that despite his devout Catholicism, Bannon "occasionally talked about the genetic superiority of some people and once mused about the desirability of limiting the vote to property owners."

Adam Serwer of The Atlantic reported in January that

Attorney General Jeff Sessions praised the Immigration Act of 1924 in a 2015 interview with Bannon, which could be an insight into the views of both these immigration hardliners:

The act required would-be immigrants to specify whether they’d ever spent time in prison or the "almshouse," and if their parents had ever been confined to a psychiatric hospital.


The AHCA was a mass murder bill aimed at bettering the rich while setting up the poor, elderly and infirm for ultimate disposal by dint of poor health.

God only knows what Trump and the GOP have in mind next. If they are capable of proposing legislation like this without blinking, only to kill it because it wasn't bloodthirsty enough, they are capable of anything.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/40029-the-ahca-mass-murder-in-broad-daylight

[boutons_deux]

Even Kansas caving to Obamacare

Kansas moves to expand Medicaid as GOP legislatures face pressure after ‘Trumpcare’ failure

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/kansas-moves-to-expand-medicaid-as-gop-legislatures-face-pressure-after-trumpcare-failure/2017/03/28/183b79da-1384-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.1acfb71e43d4

[boutons_deux]

By Blocking Medicaid, Brownback Shows There is No Limit to His Trickle-Down Folly

The Kansas governor—our Trickle Downer of the Week—is expected to veto Medicaid expansion legislation, (potentially) capping his tenure with one more outburst of cruelty

http://prospect.org/article/blocking-medicaid-brownback-shows-there-no-limit-his-trickle-down-folly

[boutons_deux]

In the battle over Obamacare’s future, Trump just blinked.

Trump just blinked. And in so doing, he inadvertently revealed that despite the bluster coming from him and Republicans, the politics of the battle over the ACA’s future tilt against them.

The Trump administration has now quietly announced that it will refrain from taking an important step that could have pushed the ACA’s individual markets toward collapse.

Specifically, The Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/11/this-is-how-obamacare-might-actually-explode/?utm_term=.b8e425369400) and the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/us/politics/affordable-care-act-trump-subsidies.html?ref=politics) report that

the administration will keep on paying so-called “cost-sharing reductions” to insurance companies to cover their reimbursement of out-of-pocket costs for about 7 million lower-income customers.

House Republicans had sued the Obama administration to block the payments, and last year a federal judge ruled that they are invalid but kept them going, pending the former administration’s appeal. Trump could drop that appeal, which would cause the payments to stop. But the Trump administration has decided (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/us/politics/affordable-care-act-trump-subsidies.html?ref=politics) not to do this — at least for now — and to keep the payments going.

“The withdrawal of the cost-sharing reductions would essentially torch the exchanges in most states,” Nicholas Bagley, a law professor and health policy expert at the University of Michigan, told me.

“The Trump administration must think that it would be blamed for that. They’re admitting the politics are against them, at least with respect to something that has the potential to devastate the exchanges in a hot minute.”

Instead, by keeping up the payments, the administration has sent a signal to insurers that they should not exit the exchanges,

a recent Standard & Poor’s report finding (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/health/insurers-stem-losses-and-may-soon-profit-from-obamacare-plans.html) that there’s no “death spiral” and that the markets could soon become profitable for insurers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/04/11/in-the-battle-over-obamacares-future-trump-just-blinked-bigly/?utm_term=.e0ec25288964&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

[boutons_deux]

Trump may halt insurer payments to force Democrats to negotiate on healthcare

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-payments-idUSKBN17E2SO?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28Reu ters+Politics+News%29

... what about the Freedom Kockus? :lol

BigInsurer is gonna LOVE this tactic :lol

[boutons_deux]

Trump has a strange new plan to threaten Democrats. It’s a sick joke.

Trump could do a great deal of damage to the ACA if he wanted to — but it’s unclear why this would help him realize his own stated goals.

Trump’s new threat is that he will cut off so-called cost-sharing reductions, which subsidize insurance that offers lower out-of-pocket costs to 7 million lower-income Americans.

For all the details, see this piece by Jonathan Cohn (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-threatens-coverage_us_58eebb13e4b0bb9638e13674); the short version is that, if Trump does this,

premiums could skyrocket and insurers could flee the individual markets, causing them to melt down and ultimately pushing millions off coverage.

As Cohn notes, Trump is basically “threatening to torpedo insurance for millions of Americans unless Democrats agree to negotiate with him.”

this will “force people to do something.”

Missing from this explanation is why this would force Democrats to the table, and to what end he hopes this will occur.

The basic problem is that Trump is asking Democrats to cooperate with him to bring about an outcome that would be worse than the one he is threatening them with.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/04/13/trump-has-a-strange-new-plan-to-threaten-democrats-its-a-sick-joke/?utm_term=.7a20280cde36&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-threatens-coverage_us_58eebb13e4b0bb9638e13674

Trash is a hell of chess player, thinking through every available move and ahead to future moves. :lol

[boutons_deux]

16 Big Lessons from Trump and the GOP's First Attempt to Destroy Our Health Care System—Here They Go Again
??
Lessons from a key Democratic health care operative.

Here is Slavitt's list of 16 lessons not to be forgotten:

1. That Ryan and House leaders have no moral qualm taking away access to health care for 24 million people. None.

2. By the time the bill got done, it raised premiums 15-20 percent. Cut care from vets, stripped benefits, raised deductibles, hurt hospitals, cut 25 percent from Medicaid, which effectively ended our 1965 Medicaid safety net commitment, and robbed from the Medicare Trust Fund.

3. Even that was not enough for many in the House GOP, who wanted Americans to get even less, including no pre-existing protections. They still do.

4. Why did it almost pass? For some supporters of the bill, this was about expediency, some was about going along with leadership, some was ideology.

5. But the biggest reason is no fancy policy theory. It’s money: $1.2 trillion pulled from health care to pay for massive tax cuts for pharma companies, insurers, insurance company CEOs, tanning salons and medical device companies. And a $55,000 gift per millionaire.

6. Turns out, Americans don’t agree. Only 17 percent thought this was a good idea.

7. An encouraging number of Americans stood up and said they want this country to be a place where people band together to make things better for everyone.

8. Others, when they heard “repeal and replace” for seven years, simply thought that meant politicians were looking to improve affordability and coverage. They now know differently.

9. I spent a lot of time traveling the country talking to people during this time. Many people told me they felt like there was no chance Washington would listen to their concerns.

10. For good reason. An irresponsible timetable, no public hearings, no CBO score/discrediting non-partisan work, a dishonest representation of the facts, a disengaged White House giving thumbs up. The absolute worst of Washington.

11. For those reasons, the bill almost passed the House.

12. But it turns out that town halls, calls and visits to district offices and the capitol make a difference. And it turns out that even in a short window, facts do matter.

13. There are some who want a bipartisan path—in touch with most of the public.

14. Word is now the administration, with assistance from Congress, will sabotage the ACA instead. Lots of ways to do it. Not unlike enforcing an environmental regulation.

15. And many in Congress still harbor the hope of ending pre-existing protections and affordable coverage.

16. That is why, despite their initial failure, I cannot let them off the hook. It’s not over.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/16-big-lessons-trump-and-gops-first-attack-our-health-care-system

[boutons_deux]

Latest ACA Repeal Plan Would Explode Premiums for People with Pre-Existing Conditions

a plan for an “invisible risk pool.” And today, word has leaked (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-health-care-deal_us_58f819f7e4b0cb086d7df486) that the pool is part of a broader plan (http://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015b-8ab0-df96-a9db-dff115c30001) to allow insurers in the individual market to charge a premium markup for enrollees with pre-existing conditions, with the pool put forth as a way to offset the premium increases resulting from the rest of the plan.

The so-called Federal Invisible Risk Sharing Program would establish a $15 billion fund to help offset insurers’ expenses for patients with high-cost health conditions, similar to the reinsurance program created by the Affordable Care Act, or ACA.

But the invisible risk pool is inferior to traditional reinsurance in two key respects.

First, because the fund only covers the costs of certain conditions, consumers and insurers would have to submit paperwork to demonstrate enrollees qualify for the program—putting costly administrative burdens on insurers, enrollees, and doctors alike. By contrast, reinsurance reimburses insurers for any high-cost enrollee, regardless of condition, eliminating the need for time-consuming paperwork.

Second, the invisible risk pool would not cover high costs that are unrelated to any previous health condition, such as a sudden heart attack. While the proposal does provide a means for insurers to “voluntarily qualify” individuals for the pool, this would exponentially increase the administrative burden by requiring insurers to undertake the qualification process for every enrollee. For these reasons, the invisible risk pool is not as efficient or effective as traditional reinsurance.

In addition to its poor design,

the funding for the invisible risk pool is a drop in the bucket compared to the massive increase in enrollee health care costs as a result of the ACHA.

Spread over nine years and across millions of enrollees, we estimate that

the $15 billion fund could lower annual premiums by about 1 to 2 percent each year,

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/news/2017/04/20/430858/latest-aca-repeal-plan-explode-premiums-people-pre-existing-conditions/

[boutons_deux]

The GOP’s Latest Health-care Plan Is Comically Bad

Republicans don’t talk much about the practical reason for moving urgently on health care, which is to set the stage for tax reform: They want to take money now used to subsidize health care for low-income Americans and give it to the wealthy in the form of big tax cuts.

Again, we can see you.

The new proposal — brokered by Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.), of the moderate Tuesday Group, and Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), of the far-right Freedom Caucus — is like a parody, as if life-or-death access to health care were fodder for a “Saturday Night Live” sketch.

Nominally, the MacArthur amendment (http://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015b-8ab0-df96-a9db-dff115c30001) would retain the Essential Health Benefits (https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/essential-health-benefits/)standard imposed by the ACA, which requires insurance policies to cover eventualities such as hospitalization, maternity and emergency care — basically, all the things you’d ever need health insurance for.

The amendment would also appear to maintain the ACA’s guarantees that anyone could buy health insurance, including those with preexisting conditions, and that parents could keep adult children on their policies until age 26. That all looks fine — but it’s an illusion.

After specifying that these popular provisions will stay, the amendment then gives states the right to snatch them away.

States would be able to obtain waivers exempting them from the Essential Health Benefits standards.

They would also be able to obtain waivers from the preexisting conditions requirement by creating a “high-risk pool” to provide coverage for those who are unwell.

There would no longer be a prohibition, however, against charging “high-risk” individuals more — so much more, in fact, that they would potentially be priced out of the market.

We would go back to the pre-ACA situation in which serious illness could mean losing a home or filing for bankruptcy.

provisions that would strip massive amounts of money out of Medicaid, by far the nation’s biggest source of payment for nursing-home care. So Republicans might not want to show their faces anywhere near retirement communities.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/04/21/gops-latest-health-care-plan-comically-bad

[boutons_deux]

George Will predicts Obamacare to become single-payer because of this inconvenient fact (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/21/1654931/-George-Will-predicts-Obamacare-to-become-single-payer-because-of-this-inconvenient-fact)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/391532/story_image/George_Will_predicts_Obamacare_to_become_single-payer_because_of_this_inconvenient_fact_%28VIDEO%2 9.jpg?1492758409

the essence of Obamacare is the expansion of Medicaid.

what we've learned in this debate about repealing Obamacare is that

the essence of Obamacare is the expansion of Medicaid.

Who has benefited from that? Probably

disproportionately white working-class males, Trump voters (https://egbertowillies.com/2016/11/25/oops-obamacare-repeal-will-hurt-many-people-in-states-trump-won-video/)."

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/21/1654931/-George-Will-predicts-Obamacare-to-become-single-payer-because-of-this-inconvenient-fact?detail=email&link_id=8&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-trumps-white-house-dinner-guest-called-hillary-a-worthless-bitch-obama-a-subhuman-mongrel&email_referrer=trumps-white-house-dinner-guest-called-hillary-a-worthless-bitch-obama-a-subhuman-mongrel___202136&email_subject=george-will-predicts-obamacare-to-become-single-payer-because-of-this-inconvenient-fact

[boutons_deux]

The Balloon, the Box and Health Care

Republicans have spent many years denouncing Obamacare as a terrible, horrible, no good law and insisting that they can do much better. They successfully convinced many voters that they could preserve the good stuff — the dramatic expansion of coverage that has brought the percentage of Americans without health insurance to a record low (https://piie.com/system/files/documents/furman20170323ppt.pdf) — while reducing premiums, shrinking deductibles and, of course, doing away with the taxes on high incomes that pay for the program.

health care costs money. In particular, if you want to make care available to Americans who have pre-existing medical conditions — including the condition of being not rich and being relatively old, but not yet eligible for Medicare — you have to find some way to subsidize them.

Again and again, we read news reports to the effect that Republicans are closing in on a plan that will break the political deadlock. They’ll repeal the Obamacare taxes and block-grant Medicaid! No, they’ll make insurance cheaper by eliminating the coverage requirements! Or, the latest idea (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-health-care-deal_us_58f819f7e4b0cb086d7df486?g39) being floated, they’ll let insurance companies raise premiums on people with pre-existing conditions and compensate by creating special high-risk pools!

And each time the plan turns out to have a fatal flaw. Millions will lose coverage; or they’ll keep coverage, but it will become so threadbare it’s almost worthless; or premiums will skyrocket for the most needy unless vast sums — hundreds of billions of dollars — are devoted to those high-risk pools.

their ongoing debacle over health care isn’t about political tactics or leadership. Even if Donald Trump were the great deal maker he claims to be, or Paul Ryan the policy wonk he poses as, this thing just can’t work.

The truth is that while Republicans have portrayed Obamacare as a crazy, inefficient scheme, it has in fact been much more successful at containing costs than even its proponents expected.

All of this raises the obvious question: If Republicans never had a plausible alternative to Obamacare, if this debacle was so inevitable, what was the constant refrain of “repeal and replace” all about?

The answer, surely, is that it began as a cynical ploy;

at first, the Republicans hoped to kill health reform before it really got started.

And now they’ve trapped themselves:

They can’t admit that they have no ideas without, in effect, admitting that they were lying all along.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/21/opinion/the-balloon-the-box-and-health-care.html

[boutons_deux]

From a slave state, of course. Must have all those genetically inferior knitters who aren't Real Americans

GOP Congressman supports covering pre-existing conditions, but only for people who “lead good lives”

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL)

Despite assurances from Trump himself (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-01/trump-wants-health-care-bill-to-protect-pre-existing-conditions) that Americans with pre-existing conditions would be protected from insurance providers cutting their coverage,

the current House bill would allow states to give providers license (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/01/how-preexisting-conditions-could-derail-house-republicans-health-care-bill-explained/?utm_term=.4fd7a0ce5cec) to effectively deny insurance to anyone with a pre-existing condition

by siphoning those individuals into so-called high risk pools, which are prohibitively expensive.

The change was made at the behest of Brooks and his fellow members of the ultra-conservative House Freedom Caucus, which blocked the first version of Trumpcare because it wasn’t punitive enough.

But as Rep. Brooks sees it,

being afflicted with a serious or life-threatening pre-existing condition is the price you pay if you don’t live a healthy lifestyle.

“My understanding is that it will allow insurance companies to require people who have higher health care costs to contribute more to the insurnace pool,” said Brooks. “That helps offset all these costs,

thereby reducing the cost to those people who lead good lives, they’re healthy, they’ve done the things to keep their bodies healthy.

And right now those are the people—who’ve done things the right way—that are seeing their costs skyrocketing.”

https://thinkprogress.org/gop-congressman-supports-covering-pre-existing-conditions-but-only-for-people-who-have-led-good-51944a953f0e

I really doubt Mo is thinking about all the POOR WHITE TRASH in his and other slave states doing drugs, are alcoholics, "Walmart people", are morbidly obese, smokers, etc

The Freedom Kockus ain't happy until 10Ms of Americans are screwed out of health care.

[pgardn]

George Will predicts Obamacare to become single-payer because of this inconvenient fact (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/21/1654931/-George-Will-predicts-Obamacare-to-become-single-payer-because-of-this-inconvenient-fact)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/391532/story_image/George_Will_predicts_Obamacare_to_become_single-payer_because_of_this_inconvenient_fact_%28VIDEO%2 9.jpg?1492758409

the essence of Obamacare is the expansion of Medicaid.

what we've learned in this debate about repealing Obamacare is that

the essence of Obamacare is the expansion of Medicaid.

Who has benefited from that? Probably

disproportionately white working-class males, Trump voters (https://egbertowillies.com/2016/11/25/oops-obamacare-repeal-will-hurt-many-people-in-states-trump-won-video/)."

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/21/1654931/-George-Will-predicts-Obamacare-to-become-single-payer-because-of-this-inconvenient-fact?detail=email&link_id=8&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-trumps-white-house-dinner-guest-called-hillary-a-worthless-bitch-obama-a-subhuman-mongrel&email_referrer=trumps-white-house-dinner-guest-called-hillary-a-worthless-bitch-obama-a-subhuman-mongrel___202136&email_subject=george-will-predicts-obamacare-to-become-single-payer-because-of-this-inconvenient-fact



Since when have you agreed with George Will?

You have made fun of him as out of touch and when convenient you agree... So Bootish.

[rmt]

So do you all want to pay for the healthcare of able-bodied, healthy, single males without children. I don't. Should they get it for free while the rest of us pay through our noses?

[boutons_deux]

Since when have you agreed with George Will?

You have made fun of him as out of touch and when convenient you agree... So Bootish.

As usual your "take" is completely fucked up wrong.

[pgardn]

So do you all want to pay for the healthcare of able-bodied, healthy, single males without children. I don't. Should they get it for free while the rest of us pay through our noses?

The basic idea of insurance is everyone covers the few who will need it.
Shared risk.

When a profit motive is added this becomes extraordinarily difficult for health care as opposed to something like home insurance. People expect to lose money on home insurance because they are provided the comfort of knowing they have a chance at rebuilding and repairing if catastrophe strikes. Not so with health care.

I lose big big money on health care because I am lucky enough to be healthy in the first place, and enjoy maintaining my health through excercise and smart eating. Same with the wife. We see a doctor once a year. If I get the occasional knock playing sports, most have been closing wounds(stitches) I go to the doc in the box and pay out of pocket (quick treatment) Should I ask for my money back from the people who have used it?

[clambake]

So do you all want to pay for the healthcare of able-bodied, healthy, single males without children. I don't. Should they get it for free while the rest of us pay through our noses?

i guess thats up to your preacher.

[clambake]

and we know how they feel about young men.

[boutons_deux]

House Slave State GOPer: Move To Another State If You Have A Pre-Existing Condition

https://dawm7kda6y2v0.cloudfront.net/uploads/2017/05/pittenger-1-654x362-132ab5a.jpg

the current bill allows states to waive the protections, giving insurers a green light to jack up the rates (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/fivepoints/why-the-gop-obamacare-repeal-bill-terrified-moderates) of those with a chronic illness or disability.

Other rank-and-file lawmakers have been more blunt.

“People can go to the state that they want to live in,” Rep. Robert Pittenger (R-NC) told reporters Tuesday morning when asked if people with pre-existing conditions could be charged much more under the American Health Care Act.

“States have all kinds of different policies and there are disparities among states for many things: driving restrictions, alcohol, whatever,”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/house-goper-move-to-another-state-if-you-have-a-pre-existing-condition?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

iow, all y'all sickos GTFO of NC, cause we Christ-lovin, Bible humpin, pre-existing sociopathic assholes, ain't paying for your care.

[boutons_deux]

Key Republican announces opposition to Trumpcare, putting it on the verge of collapse

Turns out pre-existing condition protections are popular.

Trash has said, wrongly (https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-health-care-bill-f73453056199), that “pre-existing conditions” are in the existing bill.

https://thinkprogress.org/key-republican-announces-opposition-to-trumpcare-putting-it-on-the-verge-of-collapse-130dd8c84035

:lol CLUELESS IGNORANT :lol

[baseline bum]

Key Republican announces opposition to Trumpcare, putting it on the verge of collapse

Turns out pre-existing condition protections are popular.

]Trash has said, wrongly (https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-health-care-bill-f73453056199), that “pre-existing conditions” are in the existing bill.

:lol CLUELESS IGNORANT :lol

https://thinkprogress.org/key-republican-announces-opposition-to-trumpcare-putting-it-on-the-verge-of-collapse-130dd8c84035




Dear Leader isn't clueless, it's just another boldfaced lie.

[Reck]

:lol still cant pass something in the house that will still get killed in the senate floor anyway.

So much for nothing. lmao

[spurraider21]

#1 on trending (sorry darrin) :cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmWWoMcGmo0

[pgardn]

As usual your "take" is completely fucked up wrong.

Explain yourself.

You bash Will consistently a now use him as a learned source?

Learn to handle your constant contradictions and silly rationalizations.

[baseline bum]

Cocksucker Ryan being an even bigger conman than Trump

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LOL letting states opt out is protecting people with pre-existing conditions. Fuck you Ryan.

[boutons_deux]

Explain yourself.



:lol You Wouldn't and you DON'T understand.

[boutons_deux]

Republicans just hatched a last-ditch strategy to destroy Obamacare. It’s a total scam.

They plan to introduce a new amendment (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/moderate-republican-rep-upton-crafts-plan-to-boost-stalled-health-bill/) that is designed to give moderates a way to pretend that the GOP bill won’t harm people with preexisting conditions — and thus, a way to support the bill in the numbers needed to pass it.

In reality, the new amendment is unlikely to insulate moderate and vulnerable Republicans from potent political attacks if they do support the bill, since it will be pretty much just as cruel in human terms — on multiple levels — as the current one is.

The new amendment, which is being championed by Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) — who made a huge splash by opposing the bill yesterday — would essentially add $8 billion of funding over five years in addition to the so-called high-risk pools, which are supposed to function as a safety net for people with preexisting conditions who lose coverage as a result of the GOP bill.

The Republican plan would gut protections for people with preexisting ailments, because it would allow states to waive the prohibition on insurers from jacking up premiums for them

— a prohibition that’s called “community rating” — which could lead to soaring costs and many of them getting priced out of the market entirely.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/03/republicans-just-hatched-a-last-ditch-strategy-to-destroy-obamacare-its-a-total-scam/?utm_term=.12928b14afe0&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

[baseline bum]

Looks like these faggots in the house are going to pass Trumpcare today.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs making huge cuts for special ed, since kids, families with bad breaks are expendable

[boutons_deux]

Price's rule making will make the Repug "health" plan more sociopathic, more viciously cruel.

America is fucked and unfuckable, esp for Trash's poor, white voters

[boutons_deux]

The New GOP Plan To Repeal Obamacare Would Actually Create Real ‘Death Panels’

Americans struggling with cancer and other life-threatening illnesses are expressing their concrete fears that the House’s latest handiwork will accelerate (https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/857663141026648067) their demise, because it repeals Obamacare’s ban on insurers rejecting coverage for people with pre-existing conditions and allows insurers to segregate these people into pricier high-risk pools. Both are disasters.

the GOP proposal for creating high-risk pools is a fantasy, others told the Times, recalling how before Obamacare if you were over age 50 and had any medical issues—which includes almost everyone—no insurer would sell you a policy.

. The latest analyses (https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/857663141026648067), from those who ran Medicaid and Medicare under President Obama, is that every congressional district will see tens of thousands of people losing coverage, with those remaining facing premium hikes of 15 to 20 percent and deductible increases of 60 percent.

pulling the pre-existing condition prohibition out of the law is not just a political death wish, but amounts to life-threatening changes for older Americans. In other words, Palin’s death panels are all too real; they’re in Ryan’s latest repeal bill; and enough voters know it.

listen to a Republican pollster who did focus groups to create ads trashing Obamacare. Here’s Rick Wilson’s tweetstorm (https://twitter.com/therickwilson/status/859389146674200576):

We were prepping anti-Obamacare ads. In EVERY group and I mean EVERY group… Democrats, indys, hard Rs, soft Rs, rich, poor, black, white, urban, suburban…there was one argument that nuked everything else… And that was coverage for pre-existing conditions. It didn’t matter where you were coming from on the battle…it was the killer app…

http://www.nationalmemo.com/new-gop-plan-repeal-obamacare-actually-create-real-death-panels/

.... but that won't stop the murderous, vicious cruelty of Repug whores obeying their billionaire johns.

[boutons_deux]

Trumpcare simply refuses to die — and so does the self-destructive ignorance of Donald Trump’s supporters

At this point, Trump loyalists are like fans of a bad football team, except dumber: They want a win at any cost

too many Americans continue to remain loyal to President Donald Trump and his team of Russian assets and infighting goons.

This toxic dynamic has careened beyond normal party identification to a degree of unwavering loyalty they’d otherwise reserve for their favorite sports teams.

In this case, no matter how ridiculous Trump gets, they’re still there — chanting “lock her up” while dressed in Trump swag festooned with “Make America Great Again” logos.

Trump superfans are legion, and

they’re utterly blind to their guy’s incompetence and childishness,

as evidenced by the reality that 96 percent (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/04/23/poll-96-percent-of-trump-voters-don-t-regret-it?via=desktop&source=copyurl) of them reportedly don’t regret their vote, even after a bottomless well of unforgivable gaffes (http://www.salon.com/2017/04/25/a-display-of-unbelievable-ignorance-in-a-real-country-with-a-real-president-trumps-ap-interview-would-destroy-him/) and international blunders (http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/01/politics/donald-trump-meet-north-korea-kim-jong-un/).

polling shows that GOP voters have entirely changed their views on key issues based on whether the president involved was named Obama or Trump.

On the U.S. cruise missile strike against Syria last month, for example, 86 percent of Republicans supported the attack under Trump, while only 22 percent of Republicans (https://www.axios.com/what-is-trumps-approval-rating-after-airstrikes-in-syria-2355573154.html) supported doing so under Obama.

Republican voters simply don’t understand, nor do they want to understand, how

their Brand Trump fandom could be extraordinarily bad for their bank accounts and, more specifically, their personal survival.

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/04/trumpcare-simply-refuses-to-die-and-so-does-the-self-destructive-ignorance-of-donald-trumps-supporters/

iow, 40% Trash approval is hilariously high.

Today, Trash turns Christian Taliban churches into Bible-humping Repug Super PACs.

[boutons_deux]

How O’Care Repeal’s Weakening Of Protections Could Affect Employer Plans
the version of the Obamacare repeal plan that House Republicans intend to vote on Thursday could have major implications on employer plans and may even make consumers in the large group market vulnerable to a weakening of the current law’s consumer protections

by allowing some states to opt out of certain ACA insurer mandates, the GOP bill would put cracks in the floor of protections for everyone, including those on large employer plans.

The Affordable Care Act also places a prohibition on lifetime and annual coverage caps, which eliminated limits on medical costs that some insurers imposed under their pre-ACA plans. That ban on lifetime and annual caps applies not just to individual and small group plans, but to large group employer plans, too. The caps are currently constricted, by law, to apply to Essential Health Benefits. So in theory insurers could cap coverage that is not among the 10 broad mandated areas.
Under the Republican health bill, however, that federal minimum would no longer exist if some states chose to waive it.
“A plan can impose an annual or lifetime limit with regards to maternity coverage, once maternity overage was no longer within the definition of EHBs,”

if even if just one state starts scaling back its definition of essential health benefits, large employer plans everywhere can then introduce lifetime and annual caps to the coverage areas that no longer would be considered essential health benefits.

Putting large group plans everywhere at risk, according to Fielder, is Obama-era guidance that said that large employer plans could use the details of Essential Health Benefits set by any state to be in compliance with its annual and lifetime limit bans, not merely the state the plan was being offered in.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-repeal-consumer-protections?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

I assume all these "potential" loopholes will ACTUALLY be driven through in BigCorp/Capitalism's War on Employees.

Those loopholes didn't appear accidentally, they were written by BigInsurance lobbyists, ALEC, etc.

[boutons_deux]

Get insurance through work? GOP plan would let employers deny coverage for maternity and other care

“It’s huge,” Andy Slavitt, former acting administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services under President Barack Obama, told the Journal.

“They’re creating a backdoor way to gut employer plans, too.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/get-insurance-through-work-gop-plan-would-let-employers-deny-coverage-for-maternity-and-other-care/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

the new proposed bill would allow insurance companies to treat

sexual assault,

domestic violence,

C-sections and,

postpartum depression

as pre-existing conditions.

https://www.change.org/p/remove-health-care-subsidies-for-members-of-congress-and-their-families/u/20183702?utm_medium=email&utm_source=66825&utm_campaign=petition_update&sfmc_tk=JuoKo1FI59NbJD%2fKyzSuEkAZLOrWEP4ifhO6r7Sj 7pWiiQ0KNC0iYkpuvkeA%2bL8o

Repug misogyny Without Limits.

[monosylab1k]

Repugs making huge cuts for special ed, since kids, families with bad breaks are expendable

Don't worry, rich people's health care will trickle down to them.

[boutons_deux]

The GOP’s strange, ugly strategy of rushing today’s vote will backfire. Here’s how.

They are doing this

without seeing a nonpartisan analysis of their new bill from the Congressional Budget Office

— which will, conveniently, allow them to conceal the full truth of what they are voting for from their constituents.

But this is likely to backfire.

Here’s why: The Congressional Budget Office score of the bill is coming, anyway

— as soon as next week. And it will land after an untold number of House Republicans have committed themselves to the bill.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/04/the-gops-strange-ugly-strategy-of-rushing-todays-vote-will-backfire-heres-how/?utm_term=.80a34c8d4f03&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

Repugs will Trash the CBO report as fake news, as rotten with Obama people, etc, etc, and the Repug voters will believe them, because You People are fucking stupid.

[boutons_deux]

https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/859940072686276612?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F20 17%2F5%2F4%2F1658834%2F-Sen-Chris-Murphy-D-CT-trolls-House-Republicans-perfectly

[baseline bum]

Shit just passed 218-213

[Splits]

Shit just passed 218-213

217, they had 1 vote to spare!

[Splits]

Good on them, GOP is going to get REKT next year. This shit is dead in the Senate, and these 217 faggots have to go face their constituents next week

[Spurminator]

They rushed it through before recess because they knew the Senate would gut it anyway, and the House is going to have to re-vote on the Senate version.

Still a long way from passing and a meaningless "victory."

[baseline bum]

Good on them, GOP is going to get REKT next year. This shit is dead in the Senate, and these 217 faggots have to go face their constituents next week

The senate will rework this into a slightly less bad piece of shit and approve on reconciliation and send it back to the house.

[Splits]

The senate will rework this into a slightly less bad piece of shit and approve on reconciliation and send it back to the house.

As I predicted earlier ITT, the Senate will not pass anything with the Medicaid expansion axed. And there's no way the "Freed:lolm" Cuckus will vote for that.

[baseline bum]

As I predicted earlier ITT, the Senate will not pass anything with the Medicaid expansion axed. And there's no way the "Freed:lolm" Cuckus will vote for that.

Yeah they will

[boutons_deux]

Fucking the 99% while giving the wealthy a huge tax cut.

[baseline bum]

Fucking the 99% while giving the wealthy a huge tax cut.

Millions get to lose their coverage so Trump can give himself a huge tax cut.

[Splits]

Millions get to lose their coverage so Trump can give himself a huge tax cut.

How many millions?

Oh wait, we have no idea, CBO wasn't allowed to score the bill.

[boutons_deux]

Millions get to lose their coverage so Trump can give himself a huge tax cut.

Repugs and BigInsurance wrote the bill, not Trash. He's bystanding beneficiary.

As usual, 90%+ of these Repugs will be re-elected by the very people they are screwing OVER AND OVER AND OVER

[boutons_deux]

Has anybody heard from Christian Taliban grifter pastors complaining about how their flocks are being raped?

[Splits]

860213170828447747

[Adam Lambert]

some good news from this

860197469904412672

[Spurminator]

421398464472162304

[boutons_deux]

How many millions?

Oh wait, we have no idea, CBO wasn't allowed to score the bill.

The CBO scoring report will be out next week. The House vote was rushed to precede the scoring.

Repug voters don't care. Their team "won", and that's all that matters.

[Splits]

The CBO scoring report will be out next week. The House vote was rushed to precede the scoring.

Repug voters don't care. Their team "won", and that's all that matters.

Wrong. All that matters is "winning" by fucking over liberals AND tax cuts for the rich.

[Reck]

holy shit so they passed this without the CBO score or letting the public know what was in it?

Yeah it's dead as fuck in the senate.

[cd021]

How many millions?

Oh wait, we have no idea, CBO wasn't allowed to score the bill.
Vet move, don't let Americans know just how bad your bill is until after it is passed. GOP gonna get slaughtered in the midterms

[cd021]

Reason to look forward to 2018 seeing Trump go nuclear on Twitter after the GOP gets smashed.

[boutons_deux]

If Zombie Trumpcare is about states' rights, why is it screwing New York and California? (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/3/1658265/-If-Zombie-Trumpcare-is-about-states-rights-why-is-it-screwing-New-York-and-California)

Two states in particular would be punished for the health care decisions they've made law: New York and California.

But since they're blue states, Republicans apparently don't count them.

Nearly a million people in these states would be unable to keep the tax credits for their current plans, and hundreds of thousands more could be forced to choose between paying full price to enroll in the plan that best meets their needs or claiming tax credits for a plan with a less appropriate network, cost sharing, or other features.

That’s because

the Republican plan prohibits individuals from using their subsidies to pay for plans that cover abortions (unless such coverage is limited to abortions following rape or incest, or abortions that are necessary to save the woman’s life). California and New York both require insurance plans to include abortion coverage. […]

This restriction would mean that people eligible for tax credits wouldn’t be able to use them for most plans currently offered in New York and California’s insurance markets.

In New York, the restriction could eliminate a dozen issuers from subsidy eligibility, to the benefit of one insurer in the state that denies abortion coverage (because it qualifies for a religious exemption from the abortion-coverage requirement).


Rep. Dan Donovan, a Republican from New York, talked about this problem with Chris Hayes last week, citing it as one of his key concerns with the bill.

Hayes asked, rhetorically, "How is any Republican in California and New York going to vote for this thing?"

That remains a really good question.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/3/1658265/-If-Zombie-Trumpcare-is-about-states-rights-why-is-it-screwing-New-York-and-California?detail=emaildksc&link_id=11&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-after-announcing-retirement-one-gop-congresswoman-is-torching-the-gop-health-care-plan&email_referrer=after-announcing-retirement-one-gop-congresswoman-is-torching-the-gop-health-care-plan&email_subject=after-announcing-retirement-one-gop-congresswoman-is-torching-the-gop-health-care-plan

[Warlord23]

The reason this POS bill got passed is because the GOP house is expecting the senate to block it. This is Paul Ryan passing the buck to Mitch McConnell. However McConnell wasn't born yesterday. He's not going to let this albatross hang around his neck.

The senate will amend this and send it back to the house, the house won't approve the changes. That way, when 2018 rolls around, the teabaggers in the house can tell their base that they did everything to repeal the black man's law, while the moderates in swing districts won't be impacted by people losing coverage. Everyone saves their hide, and the games continue.

[Will Hunting]

So do you think senators like Graham and McCain support this?

[boutons_deux]

Under the AHCA, heavy periods could once again become a preexisting condition

States could allow insurers to charge people with preexisting conditions more on the individual market.

https://www.vox.com/2017/5/4/15547058/preexisting-conditions-trump-aca-ahca-repeal-women

periods are a "medical condition" for insurers, and for the tax man tampons are taxable

[boutons_deux]

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/7o0ZzQk2xGxPIWZgTKc-lKJ4YJA=/1000x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8465705/healthcare_FULLres.jpg

[Chucho]

Wow. Awful, awful, awful.

He only had to do three or four things to fix the lousy ACA:

Remove the facist tax for not being allowed autonomous control of our bodies unless we are murdering babies.

Make more plan choices available for single-payers and take some burden off employers, would help with wage increases with some employers.

Put some regulations in check on the pharmaceutical and medical supply companies that put out products that cost pennies to manufacture and sold at 50000% markup to where the actual supply products are covered by plans, as most pharmaceuticals, or ensure absolute price gouging isn't happening.

Something in place to prevent annual premium surges that we have been seeing. If you're going to eliminate, or make it more costly for pre-existing conditions to get covered, that's the wrong start.



Hell, even reverting back to medicaid systems would be preferential to this crap and it's lousy predecessor. Fucking ugh.


Sad that partisanship is sooooo thick in this nation that it's going to be fucky one way or the other. Sucks because both parties are going to be absolute drizzling shits in the coming years. More Fascist attacks laden with hypocrisy and continued condemnation of the black race and elimination of the middle class with the Left that lead to Trumps rise or a big bag of "what the fuck is this" with the huge hole that is left in the GOP once Trump is out in 4 years?

Fuck the Left. Fuck the Right. Let's clone a love child of Ron Paul and JFK.

[baseline bum]

The reason this POS bill got passed is because the GOP house is expecting the senate to block it. This is Paul Ryan passing the buck to Mitch McConnell. However McConnell wasn't born yesterday. He's not going to let this albatross hang around his neck.

The senate will amend this and send it back to the house, the house won't approve the changes. That way, when 2018 rolls around, the teabaggers in the house can tell their base that they did everything to repeal the black man's law, while the moderates in swing districts won't be impacted by people losing coverage. Everyone saves their hide, and the games continue.

You're putting a lot of faith in McConnell. I wouldn't.

[boutons_deux]

yep, ACA is such disaster for Americans

“Pre-existing conditions” that were routinely declined by insurers before the ACA

Breast cancer
Uterine cancer
Pregnancy or expectant parent
Mental disorders (severe, e.g. bipolar, eating disorder)
AIDS/HIV
Lupus
Alcohol abuse/ Drug abuse with recent treatment
Alzheimer’s/dementia
Multiple sclerosis
Arthritis (rheumatoid), fibromyalgia, other inflammatory joint disease
Muscular dystrophy
Any cancer within some period of time (e.g. 10 years, often other than basal skin cancer)
Obesity, severe
Cerebral palsy
Organ transplant
Congestive heart failure
Paraplegia
Coronary artery/heart disease, bypass surgery
Paralysis
Crohn’s disease/ ulcerative colitis
Parkinson’s disease
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)/emphysema
Pending surgery or hospitalization
Diabetes mellitus
Pneumocystic pneumonia
Epilepsy
Hemophilia
Sleep apnea
Hepatitis (Hep C)
Stroke
Kidney disease, renal failure
Transsexualism

Conditions that insurers often used to increase the cost of insurance

Urinary tract infections
Menstrual irregularities
Migraine headaches
Acne
Allergies
Anxiety
Asthma
Basal cell skin cancer
Depression
Ear infections
Fractures
High cholesterol
Hypertension
Incontinence
Joint injuries
Kidney stones
Overweight
Restless leg syndrome
Tonsillitis
Varicose veins
Vertigo

https://www.vox.com/2017/5/4/15547058/preexisting-conditions-trump-aca-ahca-repeal-women

As long as US health care is for-profit, Americans are fucked and unfuckable.

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s health care victory could be a Pyrrhic one


He’s setting up bigger policy and political problems for himself and his party down the road.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/4/15542806/trump-ahca-health-house-passes


Is America sick of winning, yet?

[DMX7]

Reason to look forward to 2018 seeing Trump go nuclear on Twitter after the GOP gets smashed.

It's going to be an annihilation. I think voters are taking names right now and the 2018 election will be pay back.

[Reck]

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/7o0ZzQk2xGxPIWZgTKc-lKJ4YJA=/1000x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8465705/healthcare_FULLres.jpg

Insane.

Pretty much a wet dream for the rich republicans.

[boutons_deux]

It's going to be an annihilation. I think voters are taking names right now and the 2018 election will be pay back.

never underestimate the stupidity, ignorance of Repug voters. They've been told they've been screwed, persecuted by Mexicans, LGBT, Jews, Muslims, knitters, and they believe that bullshit.

And don't underestimate the $Bs the VRWC has to buy votes, legislators, judges.

America is fucked and unfuckable.

[boutons_deux]

What’s in the AHCA: The Major Provisions of the Republican Health Bill


■ To help people buy insurance, if they do not have coverage at work or under a government program like Medicare (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/medicare/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) or Medicaid, or through the Department of Veterans Affairs, the bill would offer $2,000 to $4,000 a year tax credits, depending mainly on age. A family could receive up to $14,000 a year in credits. The credits would be reduced for individuals making over $75,000 a year and families making over $150,000.

■ Under current rules, insurers cannot charge older adults more than three times what they charge young adults for the same coverage. The House bill would allow them to charge five times as much. The Congressional Budget Office said this change would reduce premiums for young adults and increase premiums for older Americans.

■ The bill would end Medicaid as an open-ended entitlement to health care and would put the program on a budget. States would receive an allotment of federal money for each beneficiary, or, as an alternative, they could take the money in a lump sum as a block grant, with fewer federal requirements. Medicaid cuts would total $880 billion over 10 years.
■ The bill encourages people to maintain “continuous coverage” by requiring insurers to impose a 30 percent surcharge on premiums for those who experience a gap in coverage.

■ Under the bill, states could opt out of certain provisions of the Affordable Care Act, including one that requires insurers to provide a minimum set of health benefits, such as maternity care and emergency services, and another that prohibits them from charging higher premiums based on a person’s health status.

Insurers would not be allowed to charge higher premiums to sick people unless a state had an alternative mechanism, like a high-risk pool or a reinsurance program, to help provide coverage for people with serious illnesses.

■ The bill would provide states with $138 billion over 10 years that could be used for various purposes like subsidizing premiums, providing coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and paying for mental health (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/mentalhealthanddisorders/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) care and the treatment of drug addiction (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/drug-abuse-and-dependence/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier).

■ The bill would cut the taxes of high-income people by nearly $300 billion over 10 years by repealing a payroll tax (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/f/federal_budget_us/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) increase and a tax on their investment income imposed by the Affordable Care Act.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/politics/major-provisions-republican-health-care-bill.html

[boutons_deux]

Who Wins and Who Loses in the Latest G.O.P. Health Care Bill


Winners

High-income earners (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/upshot/gop-health-bill-would-cut-funding-for-poor-and-taxes-on-rich.html): The bill eliminates two taxes on individuals earning more than $200,000 or couples earning more than $250,000: a 0.9 percent increase on the Medicare payroll tax, and a 3.8 percent tax on investment income. It also allows people to save more money in tax-excluded health savings accounts, a change most useful (http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/34/9/1594.abstract) to people with enough money to have savings.

Upper-middle-class people without pre-existing health conditions: The Affordable Care Act cut off subsidies to help people buy their insurance at an income of around $48,000 for a single person. The American Health Care Act would let people get government subsidies much higher up the income scale (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/08/upshot/who-wins-and-who-loses-under-republicans-health-care-plan.html) — up to about $150,000. But the bill allows states to waive rules on minimum benefit standards and rules that prevent insurance companies from charging higher prices to customers with pre-existing illnesses. That means, over all, the gap between the tax subsidies and the cost of needed care could widen, even for some people who will get extra financial help.

Young, middle-class people without pre-existing health conditions: The bill would change how insurance companies price their products in a way that would lower prices for young customers. It also gives them a flat subsidy that is, in many cases, higher than what they would receive under Obamacare. There is some variation by region (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/08/upshot/who-wins-and-who-loses-under-republicans-health-care-plan.html), and people with pre-existing conditions could be charged higher prices in some states.

People who wish to go without insurance: The bill would eliminate the individual mandate, which charges a tax penalty to Americans who can afford insurance but do not obtain it.

People who want less comprehensive health coverage: The bill allows insurers to offer health plans with higher deductibles and co-payments, a change likely to lower premiums. Customers in states that waive benefit rules may also be able to buy plans not covering as many medical services, like maternity coverage
.
Large employers: The bill eliminates Obamacare’s employer mandate, which required large employers to offer affordable coverage to their workers. If the bill becomes law, companies that do not wish to cover their workers will face no penalty. It frees all large employers of the complex reporting necessary to enforce the provision. It also pushes back enactment of a tax on high-cost employer health plans.

Medical device companies, indoor tanning companies and a few other medical industries: The bill rolls back taxes on devices, tanning (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/health/tanning-tax-repeal.html), prescription drugs and health insurance products. Some of those industries may lose a little as well — insurance companies, for example, may have fewer paying customers.

Losers

Poor people: Many states would be expected to roll back their expansions of the Medicaid program to cover childless adults without disabilities. The bill would also substantially reduce subsidies available for Americans just over the poverty line, the group that benefited most from Obamacare’s subsidies. Poor Americans are much more likely to become uninsured under the bill, according to the Congressional Budget Office (https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52486), and those who retained coverage would pay much more of their limited incomes on premiums and deductibles.

Older Americans, in most states: The same factors that make the bill better for many young Americans make it worse for those who are older (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/upshot/no-magic-in-how-gop-plan-lowers-premiums-it-penalizes-older-people.html). Insurance companies could charge a 64-year-old customer five times the price charged to an 18-year-old one, to cite the most extreme example. The changes in the subsidy formula would also require older middle-class Americans to pay a much larger share of their health insurance bill. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that far fewer older Americans would have insurance coverage under this bill than under the Affordable Care Act.

People with pre-existing health conditions, particularly in some states. The bill allows states to waive rules on minimum benefit standards and rules that prohibit insurance companies from charging higher prices (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/upshot/freedom-caucus-health-care-pre-existing-conditions.html) to customers with a history of serious illness — or even minor (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/upshot/new-republican-health-proposal-evokes-the-old-days.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Fmargot-sanger-katz&action=click&contentCollection=undefined&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=7&pgtype=collection) diseases. And it could mean their insurance covers fewer medical services (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/upshot/late-gop-proposal-could-mean-plans-that-cover-aromatherapy-but-not-chemotherapy.html?action=click&contentCollection=The%20Upshot&module=RelatedCoverage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article). The benefit changes could also affect Medicaid beneficiaries, and they could mean cutbacks on coverage for mental health and drug addiction treatment. States that waive the rule about prices would be required to set up a program for high-risk customers, and would get some federal funding to do so, but the details are unclear (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/upshot/extra-billions-for-health-bill-researchers-say-its-still-not-enough.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Fmargot-sanger-katz&action=click&contentCollection=undefined&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0).

State governments: The bill cuts back substantially on federal funding for state Medicaid programs (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/07/us/politics/medicaid-reform-impact-on-states.html), while offering states only limited new flexibility in how they manage them. Over time, the changes are likely to shift an increasing share of Medicaid costs onto states.

Hospitals: Assessing an earlier version of the bill, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that some 24 million fewer people (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/21/upshot/fewer-americans-would-be-insured-with-gop-plan-than-with-simple-repeal.html) would have health insurance in a decade. Some of those people would still have medical emergencies and require hospital care. Obamacare made substantial cuts in how much Medicare pays hospitals, on the theory that they would make up the difference with more paying customers. The Republican bill does not restore any of the Medicare cuts. Hospitals in poor communities where a lot of people signed up for Medicaid would probably experience the biggest hit (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/health/hospitals-medicaid-obamacare-trump.html).

Planned Parenthood: The bill would prevent Planned Parenthood from receiving any federal money for one year, a major hit for a health care provider that relies substantially on payments from Medicaid and the Title X family planning grant to provide contraception, cancer screenings and other women’s health services. The bill would also seek to reduce access to abortions, by preventing federal subsidies from going to any health plan that covers abortions.


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/upshot/who-wins-and-who-loses-in-the-latest-gop-health-care-bill.html

[boutons_deux]

The GOP's big lie: Healthcare bill 'protects people with preexisting conditions'

it protects people with preexisting conditions much as starving people may be welcome at a restaurant, but only if they order the most expensive dishes on the menu.

"The MacArthur Amendment is a Band-Aid on a very bad plan, and it likely won't staunch the bleeding,"

This much is clear: Republican lawmakers have provided a textbook example of how not to enact major legislation.

They’re aiming to radically overhaul the $3-trillion U.S. healthcare system yet have shunned the input (http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obamacare-republican-bubble-20170427-story.html) of major stakeholders such as medical organizations, hospitals and patient-advocacy groups, which are uniformly against the measure.

The MacArthur Amendment would empower states to waive protections for those with preexisting conditions as long as they come up with some alternative way of making insurance available.

The catch, however, is that the amendment would not require insurers to charge the same rates that healthy people enjoy. That’s why the likes of the American Medical Assn. and AARP have warned that, under the Republican plan,

sick people could face rates so high that they’d be unaffordable for any but the wealthy.

claims the MacArthur Amendment would protect people with preexisting conditions are “illusory.”

High-risk pools have been tried in nearly three-dozen states, and in almost all cases resulted in limited access to coverage and skyrocketing costs.

http://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-gop-healthcare-macarthur-amendment-20170504-story.html

[boutons_deux]

TRUMP SUPPORTERS CELEBRATE IMMINENT LOSS OF THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE

WASHINGTON —Moments after House Republicans voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act on Thursday, millions of Trump supporters celebrated the imminent loss of their health insurance.

From coast to coast, Americans who cast their votes for Donald J. Trump expressed

jubilation at finally being relieved of the burden of being insured in the event of catastrophic illness.

“Ever since President Trump was inaugurated, I’ve been counting the days for him to take away my health insurance,” Carol Foyler, a Trump supporter in Houston, said. “Today I just want to say

thank you, Mr. President, for keeping your promise.”

Harland Dorrinson, a Trump voter from Tallahassee, Florida, said that he was

“excited as hell about losing my health insurance” but sounded a more cautious note.

“I just hope the Senate doesn’t come in and give me back my health coverage,” he said. “Right now this all feels too good to be true.”

Most Trump supporters, however, would not let such gloomy predictions about the future ruin what for them was a day of unbridled celebration.

“Knowing that Trump could take away my Obamacare

makes me feel super optimistic about what he’s capable of,”

Tracy Klugian, of Columbus, Ohio, said.

“I can’t wait until he gets rid of my Medicare.”
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-supporters-celebrate-imminent-loss-of-their-health-insurance

[BanditHiro]

Rape and Domestic Violence are pre-existing conditions lol.

[Warlord23]

You're putting a lot of faith in McConnell. I wouldn't.

I'm not putting any faith in McConnell's decency, but I do expect him to act in self-preservation. If the Senate passes this version, he and his colleagues will be in deep trouble for at least the next 2 election cycles.

[BanditHiro]

I'm not putting any faith in McConnell's decency, but I do expect him to act in self-preservation. If the Senate passes this version, he and his colleagues will be in deep trouble for at least the next 2 election cycles.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/house-health-care-bill-senate-doa-238000

yeah already happening. House just wanted any kind of victory to seem productive.

[cd021]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/house-health-care-bill-senate-doa-238000

yeah already happening. House just wanted any kind of victory to seem productive.

Based on the article, it was just for show. Sort of feels like a major unforced error by the GOP. I don't recall people being quite this angry when Obamacare was initially passed (then again, recency bias, but still). It seems like there is significant backlash for something that isn't going to pass through the Senate without being drastically altered.

[BanditHiro]

Based on the article, it was just for show. Sort of feels like a major unforced error by the GOP. I don't recall people being quite this angry when Obamacare was initially passed (then again, recency bias, but still). It seems like there is significant backlash for something that isn't going to pass through the Senate without being drastically altered.

Trumpcare had a 17% approval rating the last time they tried to pass it a month ago and this bill is a worse version of it, the backlash was expected. They just wanted any kind of win really but this one might hurt them during the mid-terms

and here's Trump being a moron per par praising Universal Healthcare contradicting the very bill he is endorsing.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/332036-trump-australia-has-better-healthcare-system

[pgardn]

The reason this POS bill got passed is because the GOP house is expecting the senate to block it. This is Paul Ryan passing the buck to Mitch McConnell. However McConnell wasn't born yesterday. He's not going to let this albatross hang around his neck.

The senate will amend this and send it back to the house, the house won't approve the changes. That way, when 2018 rolls around, the teabaggers in the house can tell their base that they did everything to repeal the black man's law, while the moderates in swing districts won't be impacted by people losing coverage. Everyone saves their hide, and the games continue.

Interesting.

Makes sense.

[baseline bum]

The reason this POS bill got passed is because the GOP house is expecting the senate to block it. This is Paul Ryan passing the buck to Mitch McConnell. However McConnell wasn't born yesterday. He's not going to let this albatross hang around his neck.

The senate will amend this and send it back to the house, the house won't approve the changes. That way, when 2018 rolls around, the teabaggers in the house can tell their base that they did everything to repeal the black man's law, while the moderates in swing districts won't be impacted by people losing coverage. Everyone saves their hide, and the games continue.

I don't think that's the reason. The house just needed to send something to the senate so that McConnell can rewrite it into something that can get 50 votes to pass his chamber in reconciliation. Then it can be sent to the house to be passed and written into law, just like when the senate rewrote the ACA to let states opt out of Medicaid expansion and to kill the public option. It was a terrible bill that the democratic house had to hold their nose and vote for, and I expect the same to happen again too. McConnell will get the 50 votes for something a little to the left of the original AHCA proposal, probably with a delayed transition away from the ACA so they don't murdered in the 2018 midterms. And then the teabaggers will hold their nose and vote for McConnell's bill the same way liberal house democrats did for Nelson's and Lieberman's shit bill.

[Reck]

The Freedom Caucus will reject anything that gets changed in the senate. They're calling the shots at the house level.

[baseline bum]

The Freedom Caucus will reject anything that gets changed in the senate. They're calling the shots at the house level.

I don't buy it. When the senate gives them a bill that will actually undo the ACA they're going to fall in line at the risk of being primaried in these hard right safe districts in 2018. The teabaggers represent districts that love Trump. The repeal is going to happen and the democrats are going to have to hope the 2018+2020 elections swing for them in a huge way like 2006+2008. The people who are so convinced this bill is DOA in the senate are the same people who said president Clinton was a foregone conclusion.

[da_suns_fan]

Its funny that Trumpers would rather talk about ANYTHING besides the bill that got passed today.

[Splits]

I don't think that's the reason. The house just needed to send something to the senate so that McConnell can rewrite it into something that can get 50 votes to pass his chamber in reconciliation. Then it can be sent to the house to be passed and written into law, just like when the senate rewrote the ACA to let states opt out of Medicaid expansion and to kill the public option. It was a terrible bill that the democratic house had to hold their nose and vote for, and I expect the same to happen again too. McConnell will get the 50 votes for something a little to the left of the original AHCA proposal, probably with a delayed transition away from the ACA so they don't murdered in the 2018 midterms. And then the teabaggers will hold their nose and vote for McConnell's bill the same way liberal house democrats did for Nelson's and Lieberman's shit bill.

I don't buy this for a second. It is either going to die in the Senate, or they're going to pass something that leaves the Medicaid expansion in place for at least 10 years so CBO score doesn't show 10s of millions losing coverage. There are too many Senators from states that expanded Medicaid.

I think it'll die.

[Splits]

860242261203861504

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

The reason this POS bill got passed is because the GOP house is expecting the senate to block it. This is Paul Ryan passing the buck to Mitch McConnell. However McConnell wasn't born yesterday. He's not going to let this albatross hang around his neck.

The senate will amend this and send it back to the house, the house won't approve the changes. That way, when 2018 rolls around, the teabaggers in the house can tell their base that they did everything to repeal the black man's law, while the moderates in swing districts won't be impacted by people losing coverage. Everyone saves their hide, and the games continue.

You nailed it on the head.

Senators, unlike Representatives are state-wide elected officials.

GOP gerrymandering has created a lot of really safe seats. (good wapo article here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/03/29/trump-cant-stop-the-freedom-caucus-he-has-gop-gerrymandering-to-blame/?utm_term=.2e361f178198

Thing is that the failure of the Republican party to do what they promised they would will really really piss off their voters, who may very well stay home in 2018.

Dems will have all sorts of ammunition for ads "X voted to take away your health insurance", and that will be used to clobber them.

[RandomGuy]

The Freedom Caucus will reject anything that gets changed in the senate. They're calling the shots at the house level.

The wild card in the deck to be sure.

My gut says the Freedom Caucus will do this, but we'll get to see. If you want to bet on something certain, bet on these asshats to take the most extreme stand possible on any given topic.

[boutons_deux]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AshLeeStrong/status/860857948570099712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2017%2 F05%2F06%2Fpaul-ryan-office-busted-massive-lie-trumpcare.html

[baseline bum]

:lol

http://pbs-h2.twimg.com/media/C_KRV6zWAAQIHHZ.jpg

[Xevious]

Hospitals: Assessing an earlier version of the bill, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that some 24 million fewer people would have health insurance in a decade. Some of those people would still have medical emergencies and require hospital care. Obamacare made substantial cuts in how much Medicare pays hospitals, on the theory that they would make up the difference with more paying customers. The Republican bill does not restore any of the Medicare cuts. Hospitals in poor communities where a lot of people signed up for Medicaid would probably experience the biggest hit.
This is something I don't think people understand. Medicare reimbursement has been going down while healthcare costs continue to rise. You can't cut insurance on millions of people including access to preventative care and expect hospitals to just eat it. There will be a breaking point in which some facilities won't be able to keep their doors open. Something has to give somewhere, especially with hospitals having capacity issues all over the place.

[pgardn]

After passing the bestest Bill for Health Care and celebrating it with Donald, the Republicans are now asking the Senate to fix it. Makes perfect sense. We got a 2 vote win on a piece of crap. Help!

[clambake]

don't worry. the best healthcare will be available to us all.


and this warren buffet guy............sheesh saying its just cuz trump wants to fund a tax cut for guys like him.


who the fuck does this buffet guy think he is?


what would he know about it?

[boutons_deux]

children's health and nutrition just another Repug bullying chip

Republicans: Nice little children's health program you got there, shame if anything happened to it (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/9/1660183/-Republicans-Nice-little-children-s-health-program-you-got-there-shame-if-anything-happened-to-it)


Republicans may seek to delay consideration of renewed funding for CHIP to use it as leverage to get Democrats and moderate Republicans to support their broad healthcare reform legislation, said Joe Antos, a conservative health policy expert at the American Enterprise Institute.

Others predict funding for federally qualified community health centers also may become part of the negotiations.

That worries children's healthcare advocates, who argue CHIP — which has enjoyed bipartisan support since its creation 20 years ago — is so important to the 8.4 million low- and moderate-income children it covers that it should be kept out of the looming partisan war over the AHCA.

An estimated two million CHIP enrollees have serious chronic conditions. […]

"If you do mortal damage to Medicaid, which the AHCA does, it would spill over to CHIP, which is joined at the hip with Medicaid,"

said Sara Rosenbaum, a George Washington University law professor who served until recently as chair of the Medicaid and CHIP Payment and Access Commission (MACPAC).


Republicans have shown they're willing to do just about anything when it comes to ripping away people's healthcare,

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/9/1660183/-Republicans-Nice-little-children-s-health-program-you-got-there-shame-if-anything-happened-to-it

Repugs, their whore-master oligarchy, and Repug voters are ALL fucking assholes.

[boutons_deux]

Only One-Third of Americans Support Trumpcare

31% of Americans favor the American Health Care Act, which narrowly passed the Republican-controlled House last week, while

44% oppose the bill and

25% are unsure.

Interestingly,

Trump voters have now coalesced around the bill in a way they failed to do earlier this spring with 75% now supportive of the proposed legislation.
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2017/05/09/only-one-third-of-americans-support-trumpcare/

Trash voters now overwhelmingly support the Repugs screwing them, "winning" them into sickness, disease, death.

[boutons_deux]

It’s Not Just Trump:

Republicans Constantly Lying About Health Care

Means Reporters Face A Growing Challenge

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2017/05/12/tom-price-mtp.png

The erratic new president has unleashed a torrent of lies (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/) in the place of public policy discussion, but the serial mendacity on the right is hardly limited to Trump. That means journalists face a growing challenge in trying to ferret out the facts.

After voting to pass a sweeping health care bill with no formal cost assessment, which hadn’t been marked up in policy committees, and which hadn’t even been read by all members of Congress, Republicans have been on an extraordinary public relations campaign to support the controversial legislation.

The push is extraordinary because Republican officials, led by (https://www.vox.com/2017/5/6/15568912/paul-ryan-ahca-cbo-health-care) Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, are

aggressively fabricating claims about the bill that’s now pending before the Senate.

In a Trump era of endless firsts, this is likely the

first time we’ve seen a major American political party try to pass a landmark social policy initiative by categorically misstating almost every key claim about the bill.
No, the House bill does not (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/04/every-republican-who-voted-for-this-abomination-must-be-held-accountable/?utm_term=.ca411766809a) protect people with pre-existing conditions.

It does not protect older Americans from increased insurance costs.

It does not mean everyone will be charged the same (https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/861633566568046592) for insurance.

The bill wasn’t (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/ahca-house-vote/?utm_term=.3fbbf9f49612)“bipartisan (https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/861967436626751489).” And it

does not allow “for every single person to get the access to the kind of coverage that they want,”

as Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price claims (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/07/us/politics/house-health-care-bill-is-us-keeping-our-promises-paul-ryan-says.html?ref=todayspaper).

If it did those things, the bill wouldn’t be controversial, would it? So instead,

Republicans are committed to selling a fantasy version (https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/861641434579034116) of the House bill

-- and hoping the press doesn’t call them out on it.

“What really stands out, however, is the Orwell-level dishonesty of the whole effort,” wrote (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/08/opinion/republicans-party-like-its-1984.html) New York Times columnist Paul Krugman.

“Everything about Trumpcare is specifically designed to do exactly the opposite of what Trump, Paul Ryan and other Republicans said it would.”

This represents

a dangerous new age in American politics. If Republicans succeed by lying (https://twitter.com/CitizenCohn/status/862692988811702272) about their health care plan, there’s no telling what the next target of GOP fabrications will be.

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/05/14/it-s-not-just-trump-republicans-constantly-lying-about-health-care-means-reporters-face-growing/216435?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MediaMattersForAmerica-CountyFair+%28Media+Matters+for+America+-+Blog%29

Repugs' BIGGEST LIE: AHCA isn't about health care at all. It's a TAX CUT FOR THE OLIGARCHY

[boutons_deux]

Paul Ryan’s next move is an attempt to privatize Medicare

Ryan hasn’t stopped dreaming of a Medicare overhaul that could hike premiums and cost many elderly people their insurance.

Giddy from his recent health care win, House Speaker Paul Ryan said he looks forward to tackling an overhaul of Medicare, which would leave many seniors without coverage or with higher premiums. On Friday, Speaker Ryan told (http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/vicki-mckenna-29300/house-speaker-paul-ryan-talks-dir-15826704/) the conservative radio host, Vicki McKenna, that he would like to see a plan for overhauling Medicare this year. He said the plan is part of an “ongoing conversation” with the Trump administration.

Last month, Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney commented (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/mulvaney-trump-medicare-privatization-omb) on a possible Medicare overhaul by saying the administration could “talk about it,” and that absolute resistance to the idea was “not a really conducive way to sort of maintain a relationship between the executive and the administrative branch.”

Speaker Ryan has been interested in making dramatic changes to Medicare for years. His 2015 budget plan, much like his previous budget plans, creates a voucher system for people to buy private insurance or traditional fee-for-service Medicare.

https://thinkprogress.org/paul-ryans-next-move-is-an-attempt-to-privatize-medicare-a96eb9ac0a23

Repugs FUCK UP everything they touch because they are paid to fuck it up for the 99%.

[boutons_deux]

With all eyes on Trump, GOP Congress is still working to strip health care from millions

New analysis suggests that 6 million people could lose insurance due to pre-existing conditions under GOP's bill

A new analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation (http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/gaps-in-coverage-among-people-with-pre-existing-conditions/), however, shows that millions of Americans could return to those days when having a pre-existing condition meant not having decent insurance, or indeed, any insurance at all.

there’s a huge loophole built into the AHCA that, according to the Kaiser analysis, will allow as many as 6 million people with pre-existing conditions to be priced out of health insurance.
Under the AHCA, individual states will be allowed to let insurance companies charge whatever they want to anyone who lets their insurance coverage lapse for 63 days or more.

“Using the most recent National Health Interview Survey (NHIS), we estimate that

27.4 million non-elderly adults nationally had a gap in coverage of at least several months in 2015,”

the Kaiser write-up explains.“This includes 6.3 million people (or 23% of everyone with at least a several-month gap) who have a pre-existing condition that would have led to a denial of insurance in the pre-ACA individual market and would lead to a substantial premium surcharge under AHCA community rating waiver.”

“There’s no limit on how much more they can be charged and there are no assurances about what they would get or even if they would be able to get insurance under the bill,”

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/21/with-all-eyes-on-trump-gop-congress-is-still-working-to-strip-health-care-from-millions/

[RandomGuy]

Maybe the AHCA didn’t really pass the House, after all

Whoopsies.

This happened.


House Republicans barely managed to pass their Obamacare repeal bill earlier this month, and they now face the possibility of having to vote again on their controversial health measure.

House Speaker Paul Ryan hasn’t yet sent the bill to the Senate because there’s a chance that parts of it may need to be redone, depending on how the Congressional Budget Office estimates its effects. House leaders want to make sure the bill conforms with Senate rules for reconciliation, a mechanism that allows Senate Republicans to pass the bill with a simple majority.

The bill hasn't left Ryans desk. He is sitting on it.

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[RandomGuy]

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-18/house-may-be-forced-to-vote-again-on-gop-s-obamacare-repeal-bill

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/health-cents/Maybe-the-AHCA-didnt-really-pass-the-House-after-all.html

[boutons_deux]

Trash sabotage blamed as 'single most destabilizing factor in the individual market' by insurers (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/22/1664933/-Trump-sabotage-blamed-as-single-most-destabilizing-factor-in-the-individual-market-by-insurers)

The Trump regime's decision to punt on payments (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/5/22/1664229/-Trump-extends-Obamacare-reimbursements-states-join-the-court-fight) to health insurers in the Obamacare markets is continuing to mess up the individual insurance market, and the next rate hikes and instability in that market—on and off of the Obamacare exchanges—are squarely the fault of Trump and the Republicans (https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2017/05/22/blame-for-obamacares-next-rate-hike-shifts-to-trump-and-gop/#569b234147c9) says the whole healthcare industry, but especially health insurers.


An alliance of health insurers, doctors and employers are urging the Trump administration and Congress to fund cost-sharing subsidies for millions of Americans under the Affordable Care Act.

Politico reported Friday (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/19/donald-trump-end-payments-obamacare-subsidies-238616) that Trump is telling “advisers he wants to end key Obamacare subsidies.”

[…]“There now is clear evidence that this uncertainty is undermining the individual insurance market for 2018 and stands to negatively impact millions of people,” several powerful groups representing hospitals, doctors, patients, insurance companies and U.S. employers wrote in a letter to Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and GOP Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/5/22/1664933/-Trump-sabotage-blamed-as-single-most-destabilizing-factor-in-the-individual-market-by-insurers?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

Trash and Repugs FUCKING UP AMERICA and AMERICANS

[boutons_deux]

Barack Obama Left One Great Trap For Republicans And It Is Causing A GOP Catastrophe

http://15130-presscdn-0-89.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Screen-Shot-2014-05-16-at-1.00.00-PM-1.jpg

The Obamacare trap is real for Congressional Republicans:

"And now the president's threatening that he's not going to approve the money for the insurance subsidies — it is going to be a catastrophic political problem ..."

The trap is the same trap as Social Security and Medicare: Now that people have their insurance, they don’t want to lose it.

The problem for Republicans is they have been running on repealing Obamacare and its regulations that protect consumers, so they have to do something.

Their “something” was so heinous it activated the People to show up at town halls and relentlessly call their representatives.

How important is the Obamacare issue?

The Montana special election is closer than it should be. A senior Republican strategist told Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/24/montana-special-election-quist-gianforte-238746)if Republicans “cannot come up with better candidates and better campaigns, this cycle is going to be even worse than anybody ever thought it could be.”

Trump won Montana 56 to Clinton’s 35.

But Democrat Rob Quist is running on helping people keep their insurance. He calls Trumpcare the “UnAmerican health care bill.” (https://robquist.org/rob-quist-statement-passage-un-american-health-care-bill/)

His GOP opponent Greg Gianforte got busted on tape supporting the Republican atrocity. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/05/us/politics/montana-house-special-election-greg-gianforte-health-bill.html)

Quist’s campaign said it raised over $550,000 after Gianforte got caught supporting the Republican bill. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/montana-rob-quist-greg-gianforte-health-care_us_5919c48ce4b0031e737f5a64)

This is part of what is making this special election in red red Montana an actual race. Yes, the Republican is expected to win, but it all comes down to turnout in a special election.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/05/24/republicans-headed-catastrophic-political-problem-obamacare-trap.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[boutons_deux]

23 Million Fewer Americans Would Have Health Coverage Under Obamacare Repeal Plan, Budget Office Confirms

The agency also predicted the deficit would come down by $119 billion over the next decade ― and that premiums for people buying insurance on their own would be relatively lower than those premiums would be if the Affordable Care Act (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/topic/affordable-care-act) stays in place.

But the reasons health insurance would be less expensive for some aren’t much to cheer about, the budget report makes clear.

Prices would come down for healthy people because those who are sick or have illness in their medical histories would have less access to coverage (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obamacare-repeal-pre-existing-conditions_us_5900124fe4b0026db1dc423b) ― and the policies available on the market would tend to be a lot less comprehensive.

In other words, the price for lower premiums would be some combination of higher out-of-pocket costs (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obamacare-gop-bill-bigger-deductible_us_58c82ef2e4b09cd957672faa), fewer covered services, and coverage that would be harder to get for the people who need it most.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-health-care-bill-congressional-budget-office_us_5924e896e4b00c8df29feb68?utm_medium=emai l&utm_campaign=23%20Million%20Fewer%20Americans%20Wi th%20Health%20Coverage%20Under%20Obamacare%20Repea l%20Plan%20Budget%20Office%20Confirms%202017-05-24T204049486Z&utm_content=23%20Million%20Fewer%20Americans%20Wit h%20Health%20Coverage%20Under%20Obamacare%20Repeal %20Plan%20Budget%20Office%20Confirms%202017-05-24T204049486Z+CID_fe73c7c345162ea9d764fb3d46e8ef68&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=Read%20More&ncid=newsltushpmgnews23%20Million%20Fewer%20Americ ans%20With%20Health%20Coverage%20Under%20Obamacare %20Repeal%20Plan%20Budget%20Office%20Confirms%2020 17-05-24T204049486Z

Combine Ryan's AHCA disaster for the sick and poor with Trash's budget disaster, and you get America The Beautiful.

[RandomGuy]

https://pics.me.me/adam-schiff-a-repadam-schiff-trumpcare-by-the-numbers-850-21806453.png

[boutons_deux]

Iowa's GOP senators get real with constituents: Obamacare repeal ain't happening (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/31/1667588/-Iowa-s-GOP-Senators-get-real-with-constituents-Obamacare-repeal-ain-t-happening)

Iowa's GOP senators started leveling with their constituents Tuesday about how incapable Republicans really are when it comes to carrying out the promise they've made for four continuous elections cycles to repeal Obamacare. The New York Times writes (https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/05/31/us/ap-us-health-overhaul-senate.html?utm_campaign=KHN%3A%20First%20Edition&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=52552846&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-966nLO5YnAYsL-5PVT0CmETbt6NqMcIaloEUHdlhpNYLbGyssaKF2YzODD2FKCcP Bc-EuYjrSP-BWuurjaF7rImH2rxg&_hsmi=52552846&_r=0):


"You can't repeal it in its entirety," [Sen. Joni] Ernst told reporters after a joint appearance with Grassley in suburban Des Moines.

It was a frank admission from loyal conservatives representing a state Republican Donald Trump carried in November.

The Senate's filibuster (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/f/filibusters_and_debate_curbs/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) rule means that Republicans — who control the Senate with 52 seats — can't repeal the entire law.

"You've got to have 60 votes and we don't have 60 votes at this point," [Sen. Chuck] Grassley said.



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/31/1667588/-Iowa-s-GOP-Senators-get-real-with-constituents-Obamacare-repeal-ain-t-happening?detail=emaildkre

bullshit. ACA-hater corrupt Tom Price can do tremendous harm by modifying, adding implementation rules. Trash can stop the subsidies to destroy the exchanges, etc.

[boutons_deux]

Senate Republicans Are Screwed on Trumpcare, and They Know It

Which means that unless Senate Republicans repudiate their own Congressional Budget Office (whose director they appointed), they’ll have to either vote to take away healthcare for 23 million people, or come up with their own plan.

But if they try to come up with their own plan, they’ll soon discover there’s no way to insure those 23 million without

(1) mandating that healthy people buy insurance, so that sick people with pre-existing conditions can afford it; and

(2) keeping the existing taxes on rich people so that poor people can afford to buy health insurance.

In other words, they’ll be back to the Affordable Care Act.

Some Senate Republicans will no doubt claim that the Affordable Care Act can’t be sustained in its present form because private insurers are beginning to bail out of it.

That’s an awkward argument for Republicans to make because Republicans themselves have been responsible for this problem.

in the end the logic is unavoidable: They’ll have to strengthen the Affordable Care Act.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/senate_republicans_are_screwed_on_trumpcare_and_th ey_know_it_20170529

To repeat, Trumpcare is a bogus health care pkg hiding a MASSIVE tax cut for BigCorp and the top quintile.

[boutons_deux]

Trumpcare Is on the March

Senate Republicans are down to the nitty-gritty. Passing a bill could be next.

Like the House, the Senate intends to cut Medicaid. Unlike House members, though, senators are at least sensitive to the impression that

they’re looting Medicaid for as much money as they need to fund tax cuts.

While the House-passed American Health Care Act would abruptly end the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion in 2020, the Senate will likely take a more palliative approach.

Leadership reportedly wants (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/336961-heller-supports-seven-year-phase-out-of-medicaid-expansion-funds) to phase out the Medicaid expansion over three years, beginning in 2020.


Another dispute involves the growth rate that would be applied to the new Medicaid system.

Like the House,

the Senate intends to convert Medicaid from its current open-ended federal match rate structure to one of per capita spending caps or block grants, either of which set finite amounts to federal Medicaid spending.

The question is by which inflation measure these set amounts will grow. The House bill uses the medical component of the Consumer Price Index, with higher rates for certain classes of beneficiaries. Conservatives (http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/336098-obamacare-repeal-must-include-medicaid-reform) would prefer a slower growth rate, like standard CPI

If senators opt for a growth rate considerably slower than projected medical inflation, Medicaid could eventually wither on the vine.

Though some senators may not like the idea of tying off the Medicaid expansion and overhauling Medicaid’s structure in a way the Congressional Budget Office says will remove millions of people from the health care roll,

they’ll apparently do it in order to pass a bill.

There is still vigorous debate over the ACA’s health insurance regulations, too, and which ones the Senate version bill will allow states to waive.

Essential health benefits?

Community rating by health status?

How much more insurers can charge old people than young?

Some conservatives may want all of these regulations to be optional; some moderates may not want any of them.

The structure is in place, and senators are beginning to fall in line.

The House bill was never dead on arrival in the Senate (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/05/if_trumpcare_can_pass_the_house_it_can_pass_the_se nate.html); it was just going to get a touch-up (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/05/08/how_will_the_senate_gop_s_health_care_bill_be_any_ different_from_the_house.html).

Trumpcare is on the move.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/06/trumpcare_is_on_the_march.html

Repugs gonna fuck the poor to enrich the BigCorp and the wealthy.

America The Beautiful, owned by oligarchy, for the oligarchy, run by their Repug whores.

[boutons_deux]

Senate GOP won’t subject its health care bill to public scrutiny until the last possible minute

The bill is nearing completion, but Republicans don’t plan to make a draft public.

Senate Republicans plan to send their health care bill to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) for analysis but don’t yet have a plan to release a draft of the bill for public scrutiny, according to Axios (https://www.axios.com/senate-gop-wrapping-up-health-care-bill-but-wont-release-it-2440345281.html).

“We aren’t stupid,” an aide to a Senate Republican told Axios. :lol

Polling shared by Fox News on Friday indicates that the AHCA is more unpopular than ever, with just a 17 percent approval rating.

Trump administration reacted to the CBO’s evaluation of the House version by going on the offensive against the nonpartisan budget office (https://thinkprogress.org/mick-mulvaney-trashes-cbo-american-health-care-act-2edbec433383), arguing that its assessments can’t be trusted. :lol

Before the 2014 election that returned control of the Senate to Republicans,

McConnell “pledged to send bills through committees, even if it might upset members of his own conference,” :lol

as The Hill reported (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/206951-mcconnell-makes-case-for-november-ill-make-the-senate-work) in May of that year. But last week, McConnell gave

the health care bill “fast track” status (https://thinkprogress.org/senate-republicans-are-launching-an-audacious-plan-to-pass-health-care-75d9135c1f19), meaning it can skip the committee process altogether. :lol

https://thinkprogress.org/senate-gop-trumpcare-public-e2ddd9f90ecb

Bitch McConnell, Repugs says the CBO isn't "credible", can't be "trusted"? :lol

https://thinkprogress.org/senate-gop-trumpcare-public-e2ddd9f90ecb

[boutons_deux]

Think you're safe from Trumpcare in your blue state? Think again (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/12/1671100/-Think-you-re-safe-from-Trumpcare-in-your-blue-state-Think-again)

If you've got a pre-existing condition (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/12/1670435/-Senate-Trumpcare-bill-as-devastating-for-people-with-pre-existing-conditions-as-the-House-version), you're screwed.If you're on Medicare, you're not safe (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/8/1669778/-Have-Medicare-Yeah-Trumpcare-will-screw-you-too), either.

If you're a child, it's potentially catastrophic (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/9/1670341/-Children-s-Hospital-Association-Trumpcare-s-Medicaid-cuts-catastrophic-for-children).

If you have insurance through your employer, you're sunk, too (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/5/4/1658804/-Think-your-employer-provided-insurance-will-save-you-from-Trumpcare-Think-again).

You might feel shielded because you live in a blue state, with a Democratic governor or legislature, and

you think the waivers for states that would make the Affordable Care Act's provisions protecting people with pre-existing conditions won't be taken by your lawmakers.

But in interviews with Mother Jones, health care experts warn that Cole is wrong:

If the GOP bill becomes law, many states will indeed eliminate preexisting-condition protections and/or at least some of Obamacare’s requirements that insurance plans cover a range of standard treatments, including maternity care and mental health.

And it wouldn’t just be states that voted for President Donald Trump. Under the GOP bill, even progressive states might have to take drastic measures to prevent their health insurance markets from exploding. […]

Experts say states would likely face enormous pressure to adopt at least some of the waiver options.

In part, that would arise from insurance company lobbying; the industry spent tens of millions lobbying at the federal level in 2016 alone.

But the basic market dynamics created by the GOP bill would play a role as well, potentially creating an industry death spiral if states refuse to allow price discrimination based on health conditions.

"Insurers would be putting pressure on states, saying, 'We can't operate in this market. We won't participate at all unless you start rolling back these protections,'"

says says Edwin Park, vice president for health policy at the liberal-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Insurance companies would face an immediate crunch if the Republican bill became law.

The legislation ends Obamacare's individual mandate this year, removing a major incentive for healthy people to buy insurance.

The bill also reduces the amount of money the government offers in subsidies to help lower-income people pay their premiums.

With less help from the government, healthy people would have even more reason not to buy insurance.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/12/1671100/-Think-you-re-safe-from-Trumpcare-in-your-blue-state-Think-again

17% still support the Repugs' sociopathic, murderous pile of shit! :lol

[boutons_deux]

Trump Just Destroyed Trumpcare By Bashing Health Care Bill To Republican Senators

Donald Trump may have put the final nail in the coffin of the Republican health care bill by telling Senators that he thought the House passed bill was "mean," and that he wants the Senate bill to be more generous.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/13/trump-destroyed-trumpcare-bashing-health-care-bill-republican-senators.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

but his own budget isn't extremely more mean? he's one stupid fuck. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Trump Shows Up In Wisconsin for 5 Minutes, Lies About ObamaCare, then Hides From Russia Scandal

Trump was supposed to give a statement on health care, so he showed up for 5 minutes in Wisconsin, lied about the Affordable Care Act then ran back to Air Force One to resume hiding from the Russia scandal.

Five minutes into Trump’s lie-filled tirade, he waved his hand to the crowd and walked away.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/13/trump-shows-wisconsin-5-minutes-lies-obamacare-runs.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[RandomGuy]

Trump Shows Up In Wisconsin for 5 Minutes, Lies About ObamaCare, then Hides From Russia Scandal

Trump was supposed to give a statement on health care, so he showed up for 5 minutes in Wisconsin, lied about the Affordable Care Act then ran back to Air Force One to resume hiding from the Russia scandal.

Five minutes into Trump’s lie-filled tirade, he waved his hand to the crowd and walked away.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/13/trump-shows-wisconsin-5-minutes-lies-obamacare-runs.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Dang.

Dude is losing it.

[boutons_deux]

Dang.

Dude is losing it.

"it" is long gone.

I posted a link to an article that compared Trash's coherent articulations of long ago to his current scrambled BULLSHIT.

The shrinks are right. Trash is mentally degraded, degrading. Stress kills brain cells. All in parallel with his malignant, incurable narcissism.

And where the fuck is Bethesda Navy doctors' traditional Presidential health report on Trash?

I wonder how what BigPharma garbage he's on?

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Mitch McConnell’s Big Secret Is Out As Trumpcare Will Hurt People Who Get Insurance At Work

If you thought being in an employer plan would protect you from the evils of Trumpcare, you are sadly mistaken.

Trumpcare V2.1 will

impose annual limits on as many as 27 million Americans and

lifetime limits on as many as 20 million.

And it's not just in states with waivers, which is to say your Democratic governor can't protect you.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/15/trumpcare-takes-aim-27-million-americans-employer-plans-nationwide.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

who wins? guess who paid for it? BigInsurance

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Lisa Murkowski, a crucial Senate swing vote, is very frustrated with AHCA

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/15/15812924/voxcare-lisa-murkowski-alaska-ahca

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Repugs as job creators, economic stimulators, managers of the economy

Nearly 1 million jobs lost under House’s AHCA

A study examining how each state could be affected if it passes the Senate and is written into law, published Wednesday by The Commonwealth Fund, (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2017/jun/ahca-economic-and-employment-consequences?link_id=0&can_id=6137a7bd52124421b1abb184b994c764&source=email-subjectgoeshere-6-7-2-8-6&email_referrer=subjectgoeshere-6-7-2-8-6&email_subject=expand-improve-health-care) found that

by 2026

nearly one million jobs could be lost,

state gross domestic products could shrink by $93 billion and

businesses could suffer a $148 billion bite.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/nearly-1-million-jobs-lost-under-houses-ahca-study/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[DPG21920]

I don't care what people cite about people losing health care etc...that is all a distraction from the truth that what we have now is an unmitigated disaster.

It's like saying you give someone with no money $1 and that you drove wealth to the poor. It's a damn disaster regardless of how people are touting that "so many now have access to health insurance"

[baseline bum]

I don't care what people cite about people losing health care etc...that is all a distraction from the truth that what we have now is an unmitigated disaster.

It's like saying you give someone with no money $1 and that you drove wealth to the poor. It's a damn disaster regardless of how people are touting that "so many now have access to health insurance"

Millions losing healthcare is a distraction? Time to go back to the glory days of medical bankruptcy?

[DPG21920]

Millions losing healthcare is a distraction? Time to go back to the glory days of medical bankruptcy?

Yes. To clarify - it's a talking point that takes away from progress. It's makes it seem like one thing is "good" and it's really not. The current plan that those millions have is a disaster and largely unaffordable with little coverage.

[baseline bum]

Yes. To clarify - it's a talking point that takes away from progress. It's makes it seem like one thing is "good" and it's really not. The current plan that those millions have is a disaster and largely unaffordable with little coverage.

It's not a talking point, it's a real world consequence of going back to the even worse system we had before, which is what Trumpcare would push us back towards. People on the right like to act like exploding healthcare costs aren't a 20 year trend, like it all started with the ACA. The current plan sucking doesn't mean we should go back to something worse. Fixing it isn't a reality with the current GOP in charge, since their idea is to call a tax cut for the rich a health plan.

[spurraider21]

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2015/02/kff-chart.png

[DPG21920]

It's not a talking point, it's a real world consequence of going back to the even worse system we had before, which is what Trumpcare would push us back towards. People on the right like to act like exploding healthcare costs aren't a 20 year trend, like it all started with the ACA. The current plan sucking doesn't mean we should go back to something worse. Fixing it isn't a reality with the current GOP in charge, since their idea is to call a tax cut for the rich a health plan.

Well I honestly don't think it's better than before. My coverage is definitely worse and more expensive & everyone else that "has" insurance that otherwise would not doesn't seem to be able to afford it either.

[spurraider21]

https://i.gyazo.com/f4cb4899f0d6d4c80740fc6fdd5c0629.png

[baseline bum]

Well I honestly don't think it's better than before. My coverage is definitely worse and more expensive & everyone else that "has" insurance that otherwise would not doesn't seem to be able to afford it either.

The before had crazy premium increases too and anyone with a pre-existing condition was uninsurable.

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to repeat, ACA didnt set prices , so bitch at BigInsurance

[DPG21920]

The before had crazy premium increases too and anyone with a pre-existing condition was uninsurable.

For the record - I'm not saying what REP are trying to pass is good. I'm saying what is currently there is horrendous.

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what is currently there is horrendous.

you haven't see horrendous, yet

everything gets worse with Trumpcare, and employees with employer group insurance, untouched by ACA, get screwed, too

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Chuck Schumer Just Killed The Biggest Republican About Obamacare Dead On The Senate Floor

Senate Democratic Leader, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) got Republican Sen. Joni Ernst (R-IA) to admit that Obamacare wasn’t negotiated in secret, but had 25 days of hearings.


Schumer got Joni Ernst to admit that the

Affordable Care Act got 25 days of hearings and 169 hours of consideration.

Trumpcare has had zero hearings and zero hours of consideration.

One of the talking points that Republicans are using to defend their actions is that they are using the same process that Democrats used when doing the ACA.

As Schumer got Ernst to acknowledge in the video above, this claim is a flat out lie.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/19/chuck-schumer-killed-biggest-republican-obamacare-dead-senate-floor.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

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Hatch admits Trumpcare is too toxic to be seen by the public (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/19/1672523/-Hatch-admits-Trumpcare-is-too-toxic-to-be-seen-by-the-public)

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said holding public hearings about the legislation would only give Democrats more opportunity to attack the bill.

"We have zero cooperation from the Democrats," he said. "So getting it in public gives them a chance to get up and scream."

Of course, they have offered no opportunity for Democrats to "cooperate" on this bill.

They've allowed zero opportunity for the fucking

March of Dimes to cooperate on this bill,

ditto the American Medical Association,

the Association of Hospitals,

American Cancer Society,

you name it, they've been shut out.

Because if anyone outside of the Republican caucus sees it before McConnell has a chance to ram it through,

there's the threat that his own people will bail out. Hatch just admitted it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/19/1672523/-Hatch-admits-Trumpcare-is-too-toxic-to-be-seen-by-the-public?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

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Democrats to slow-walk Senate business over health care bill

Democrats will begin slow-walking Senate business on Monday as part of their opposition to Republican attempts to overturn the Affordable Care Act.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York said

Democrats will object to requests for “unanimous consent” to set aside rules and expedite proceedings.

The procedural move is a tactic the minority party can use to draw out the legislative process for days, forcing Republicans to jump through procedural hurdles to get anything done.

The goal, he said, is to refer the GOP health care bill to a committee where it can be debated and amended publicly.

Republicans are writing their bill “under the cover of darkness because they’re ashamed of it,” he said.

“This is a bill that would likely reorder one-sixth of the American economy and have life-and-death consequences for millions of Americans, and

it’s being discussed in secret with no committee hearings,

no debate,

no amendments,

no input from the minority,” he said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/19/democrats-halt-senate-business-over-health-care-bill/103012262/

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Senate wants to kill Medicaid even faster than House did (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/19/1673104/-Senate-wants-to-kill-Medicaid-even-faster-than-House-did)

Because almost $900 billion in Medicaid cuts in the House bill didn't give quite enough for massive tax cuts for the wealthy,

Senate Republicans are reportedly looking at slashing it (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/338411-senate-gop-considers-deeper-medicaid-than-house-bill) even more,

according to lobbyists and Senate aids who spoke with The Hill.


The proposal would start out the growth rate for a new cap on Medicaid spending at the same levels as the House bill,

but then drop to a lower growth rate that would cut spending more, known as CPI-U, starting in 2025, the sources said.

That proposal has been sent to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) for analysis, a Senate GOP aide said.

The aide said that plan has been described as a "consensus option that has been sent to CBO," though no final decision has been made yet.

Another aide said there are still other options in the mix.


This is being reported as "a leading option" in the negotiating process.

Remember how the Senate was going to be the moderating force and fix all the bad stuff in the House bill?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/19/1673104/-Senate-wants-to-kill-Medicaid-even-faster-than-House-did?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

[Adam Lambert]

5489957976

:cry

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Trump Criticizes Secret Republican Health Care Bill That He Will Definitely Sign Into Law

While meeting with tech CEOs, Trump again criticized the secret Republican health care bill,

but the one thing that he hasn't done is refuse to sign it if it passes through Congress

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/20/trump-criticizes-secret-republican-health-care-bill-sign-law.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

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Paul Ryan on Trump Allegedly Calling Health Care Bill ‘Mean’: ‘Misinterpretation’ of What He Said

“No, I don’t think that accurately reflects the President’s sentiments about the House health care bill.

I think that was some kind of a misinterpretation of a private meeting.

I’ve spoken to the president many, many times.

He’s excited on what we did in the House.”

There is now reporting (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/20/tim-cook-told-trump-tech-employees-are-nervous-about-immigration.html) that in a meeting with tech CEOs yesterday,

the President said the Senate’s health care bill needs “more heart.”
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/paul-ryan-on-trump-allegedly-calling-health-care-bill-mean-misinterpretation-of-what-he-said/

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The internet is pointing to Mike Pence’s 2010 tweet to rebuke Senate Republicans today

Rep. Mike Pence once made a point that is awfully inconvenient for Vice President Mike Pence

Governor Mike Pence (https://twitter.com/GovPenceIN)
(https://twitter.com/GovPenceIN)✔@GovPenceIN (https://twitter.com/GovPenceIN)

It's simply wrong for legislation that'll affect 100% of the American people to be negotiated behind closed doors - http://ow.ly/W9gq #hcr (https://twitter.com/hashtag/hcr?src=hash)

2:06 PM - (https://twitter.com/GovPenceIN/status/7720153887)13 Jan 2010 (https://twitter.com/GovPenceIN/status/7720153887)

http://www.salon.com/2017/06/20/the-internet-is-pointing-to-mike-pences-2010-tweet-to-rebuke-senate-republicans-today/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCvA53HU0AA_IF_.jpg:large


... which OF COURSE is a Repug lie, because FACTS WERE that Dems held dozens of Congressional meetings, and accepted 100+ amendments to ACA.

[Adam Lambert]

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[spurraider21]

:cry stop fear mongering about the healthcare bill
:cry death panels will murder your grandma