So does Trumpcare pass the house?

[baseline bum]

NATE SILVER 1:05 AM

This may be the most tangible sign that McCain is planning to vote no, or at least that his vote is in doubt:

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[baseline bum]

HARRY ENTEN 1:10 AM

I have no idea how Murkowski is going to end up voting. Keep in mind, though, that she would have won her last race for re-election even if no self-identified Republican had voted. She won in 2010 in a write-in campaign, despite losing the GOP primary. In other words, she’s less beholden to the Republican base than pretty much any Republican senator — with perhaps the exception of Collins.

[baseline bum]

NATE SILVER 1:11 AM

If they needed Murkowski’s vote, then the Interior Department’s threats to screw over Alaska — presumably ordered by the White House — probably didn’t help. Neither conservatives nor Trump has a lot of leverage over Murkowski, who just won re-election last year and has fought back a lot of more conservative challengers.

[baseline bum]

I don't believe it. McCain's just being an attention whore.

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[baseline bum]

So Pence is still in the chamber.

[spurraider21]

we have to pass it to find out what's in it
What did she mean by that snake? In its full context not just in catchy soundbite context

[baseline bum]

PERRY BACON JR. 1:25 AM

So they are closing that vote and moving to the McConnell one now. So here is the vote. Should be interesting.

[baseline bum]

PERRY BACON JR. 1:25 AM

It looks like Pence is out of the room. So that is interesting.

[AaronY]

SnakeBoy's kind of a troll 21. Hate to burst your bubble in case you aint figure that out yet

[baseline bum]

PERRY BACON JR. 1:29 AM

McCain voted no.

[baseline bum]

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[Th'Pusher]

SnakeBoy's kind of a troll 21. Hate to burst your bubble in case you aint figure that out yet

He's not a troll. He's just an intellectually dishonest "non" Trump supporter. Pretty much like any other "conservative" on ST.

[baseline bum]

PERRY BACON JR. 1:30 AM

McCain thumbs down. Emphatic.

[baseline bum]

Capito voted yes

[baseline bum]

Collins voted no

[baseline bum]

It looks like it was defeated

[baseline bum]

Heller voted yes

[baseline bum]

Preparing for epic ducks meltdown about McCain, especially after Heller and Capito voted yes.

[Xevious]

McCain :lol

[baseline bum]

HARRY ENTEN 1:37 AM

I heard a lot of predictions, but none of them said this would fail by a single vote. And yet, it seems that’s what is occurring.

[Reck]

McCcain, Collins and Murkowski all NOs. Death.

Trump thought he could thug his way out of a yes. LOL

[baseline bum]

PERRY BACON JR. 1:39 AM

I assume that the Senate Republican leaders themselves were somewhat surprised by this. They are acting surprised by it. They had Pence come over, but then he was not in the room for the final vote.

[Reck]

Shut the fuck up Turtle. Die somewhere lonely.

[Reck]

Hahahhahahahhahahhahahhah turtle is choking on his own tears.

[baseline bum]

Why did McConnell bring this vote forward if he didn't have 50 votes? Does he just want to wash his hands of healthcare until after picking up more seats from the midterms?

[baseline bum]

NATE SILVER 1:41 AM

This is usually the time when FiveThirtyEight would say “let’s not get too carried away …” but, well, this is one of those times when you should maybe get carried away? It’s not really a surprise that the bill failed. It always had a lot of problems, and Republicans didn’t come close to passing straight repeal or BCRA in the Senate in earlier votes. But that it failed in a way that will be so embarrassing to both McConnell and Trump is noteworthy and will have all sorts of implications for Republicans.

[baseline bum]

PERRY BACON JR. 1:42 AM

McConnell is acting like this is over. He is thanking Pence and Trump and the House for working on this. Our efforts “were simply not enough this time.”

[Thread]

Just because he's terminal.

Fuck me.

[Xevious]

Why did McConnell bring this vote forward if he didn't have 50 votes? Does he just want to wash his hands of healthcare until after picking up more seats from the midterms?

That's what it sounds like. "We tried, now fuck off."

[baseline bum]

PERRY BACON JR. 1:43 AM

If this is it for Obamacare repeal, this is a really big story. Really big. I’m not totally sure it is, since this bill seems like it will never die. I will be curious if Trump demands they try to keep pushing this. But McConnell sounds done.

[Reck]

PERRY BACON JR. 1:42 AM

McConnell is acting like this is over. He is thanking Pence and Trump and the House for working on this. Our efforts “were simply not enough this time.”

Time to bring in democrats into the fold. He's saying as much.

[Reck]

The American people are going to regret....

All 17% of them. :lmao

[Th'Pusher]

Trump is just using his pawns in the senate in his 3D game of chess.

[baseline bum]

Boy did Trump ever fuck himself when he said he likes people who weren't captured. There is no way that vote wasn't personal.

[cd021]

Can't wait for Trump to unload on McCain and suggest it would've been better for him had he died on the operating table, then criticize liberal media for his own words:lmao.

[Th'Pusher]

Boy did Trump ever fuck himself when he said he likes people who weren't captured. There is no way that vote wasn't personal.

Fucked him right in the butthole. Like a leftist pounding Chucho's avocado into guacamole.

[baseline bum]

I gotta say I'm floored this went down, especially with McCain's vote instead of Heller's.

[Chucho]

Watch out for Chucho, he's edgy!!

And Aaron is a hanger-on.

[Th'Pusher]

I gotta say I'm floored this went down, especially with McCain's vote instead of Heller's.

You were calling McCain a pussy bitch all day tho, tbh.

[cd021]

Boy did Trump ever fuck himself when he said he likes people who weren't captured. There is no way that vote wasn't personal.

McCain be like:

Good forgives; I don't :lol

[Chucho]

Fucked him right in the butthole. Like a leftist pounding Chucho's avocado into guacamole.

LOL. All up in your mind. And the fascination with butt fucking and a name like Th'Pusher...

Like the Lambert crutch. At least he's somewhat original and not a hanger-on.

[baseline bum]

HARRY ENTEN 1:54 AM

I don’t know if this is the end of the road, but the GOP made a lot of vulnerable members of Congress vote for some version of the Republican health care bill. It’s not just Heller and Flake in the Senate. It’s all those House members, too. The payoff seems minimal, unless something more occurs.

[baseline bum]

You were calling McCain a pussy bitch all day tho, tbh.

Because he usually is

[Reck]

Boy did Trump ever fuck himself when he said he likes people who weren't captured. There is no way that vote wasn't personal.

The sad thing about this is that this will be McCain's last act before he goes the way of the Dodo.

One last noble act.

Now watch Mr. Orange call him names over twitter when he wakes up tomorrow.

[Th'Pusher]

LOL. All up in your mind. And the fascination with butt fucking and a name like Th'Pusher...

Like the Lambert crutch. At least he's somewhat original and not a hanger-on.

Ah, the old rent free bit. Glad you're not a hanger-on.

Leftist pounding that chucho booty-hole.

[baseline bum]

Man if only there was a White House webcam so we could see Trump kick in his TV and beat Eric.

[Th'Pusher]

Because he usually is

Today he's your hero.

[Th'Pusher]

Man if only there was a White House webcam so we could see Trump kick in his TV and beat Eric.

You just can't see his angle yet. 3D chess motherfucker.

[baseline bum]

Today he's your hero.

Yeah it's the biggest fuck you I have ever seen anyone give Trump. Well, maybe until Mueller. :lol

[Thread]

Boy did Trump ever fuck himself when he said he likes people who weren't captured. There is no way that vote wasn't personal.

BS. McCain is afraid of dying. If he didn't have a head full of cancer I'd be topsy & you'd be turvy.

[baseline bum]

NATE SILVER 1:58 AM

To echo Perry’s point — I was seeing some snark on Twitter earlier about how everyone will suddenly change their opinion about John McCain. To which my response is: well, shouldn’t this change people’s opinions? This was a huge deal. It’s not quite right to say he singlehandedly killed the GOP’s health care reform efforts — Collins and Murkowski were also important, obviously — but his choices made a huge difference in a bill that will affect a lot of people’s lives and a lot of his colleagues’ political fortunes. And he did so in dramatic fashion, in a way that will create a lot of embarrassment for McConnell and Trump. So it’s absolutely a big deal. It’s like if you had a quarterback who you always thought was overrated as a “clutch” performer and then that quarterback leads his team from 14 points down to win the Super Bowl. You have to give a lot of credit for that and not be too wedded to your priors going in.

[Thread]

Man if only there was a White House webcam so we could see Trump kick in his TV and beat Eric.

At least Hillary ain't in there with Zero celebratin' to beat the band.

[baseline bum]

BS. McCain is afraid of dying. If he didn't have a head full of cancer I'd be topsy & you'd be turvy.

I thought you didn't play the what if game.

[Reck]

Agent Orange and turtle cant even relatiate because McCain is not going to run after this. Besides him still having like 6 more years in the senate. :lol So sweet.

[Thread]

I thought you didn't play the what if game.

Beats about now November 8th last, eh?

tee, hee.

[Thread]

Agent Orange and turtle cant even relatiate because McCain is not going to run after this. Besides him still having like 6 more years in the senate. :lol So sweet.

McCain had to do something to get right with the Lord.

[Th'Pusher]

McCain had to do something to get right with the Lord.

I don't think pounding Chucho in his butthole accomplished that, tho.

[Reck]

Oh look, booger Ted.

[baseline bum]

Beats about now November 8th last, eh?

tee, hee.

I'd rather watch Kobe ring and get let off on a rape charge in the same day than revisit the horror of that dark November 8, 2016.

[Thread]

I'd rather watch Kobe ring and get let off on a rape charge in the same day than revisit the horror of that dark November 8, 2016.

Gee, look at ya:::now, NOW, now you're ready to treat me decent and speak with the utmost candor.

You look pisser, bum.

[baseline bum]

At least Hillary ain't in there with Zero celebratin' to beat the band.

You know you'd bareback Clinton if she swung that way. Don't even deny it.

[Thread]

You know you'd bareback Clinton if she swung that way. Don't even deny it.

Now, I'm you're bosom buddy. All it took was total victory for you. & total loss for me.

[monosylab1k]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaBAX8OWAAA8eOL.jpg

[baseline bum]

Now, I'm you're bosom buddy. All it took was total victory for you. & total loss for me.

Just let me enjoy it today. The roles will be flipped next week or two when Trump fires Mueller and pardons Uday and Cuckner and the congress doesn't do shit.

[SnakeBoy]

SnakeBoy's kind of a troll 21. Hate to burst your bubble in case you aint figure that out yet

I'm only trolling 80-90% of the time.

[monosylab1k]

890811060231340032

[Th'Pusher]

I'm only trolling 80-90% of the time.

You're lucky if you're trolling 3% of the time.

Remember when you referred to Sean Hannity as the evening news? Every time I see your posts it's what Comes to mind :lol

[Reck]

890811060231340032

The good old days when Chris Rock was actually funny.

[Thread]

Just let me enjoy it today. The roles will be flipped next week or two when Trump fires Mueller and pardons Uday and Cuckner and the congress doesn't do shit.

No. Uh, uh, don't even think about Uday'ing me tonite. I ain't in a Uday'in' mood.

The preamble kicker? Fuckin' D'Backs won tonite as well.

[Thread]

If he just wouldn't a "caught" cancer.

Unbelievable.

[Reck]

890820505330212864

Are the democrats supposed to vote for this piece of shit bill now? :lol

[Thread]

890820505330212864

Are the democrats supposed to vote for this piece of shit bill now? :lol

The problem is:::it will never implode. That's how Zero designed it. It'll lurch & list, but, it'll never sink.

[SnakeBoy]

You're lucky if you're trolling 3% of the time.

Remember when you referred to Sean Hannity as the evening news? Every time I see your posts it's what Comes to mind :lol

^This is why I can admit I'm trolling :lol

[Th'Pusher]

^This is why I can admit I'm trolling :lol

:lol you wish were trolling when you let that gem slip. Literally no one belives that. Fucking Hannity is your nightly news. :lol

[baseline bum]

No. Uh, uh, don't even think about Uday'ing me tonite. I ain't in a Uday'in' mood.

The preamble kicker? Fuckin' D'Backs won tonite as well.

And the Suns are about to trade for Kyrie.

[baseline bum]

So McCain said he voted no basically because he doesn't trust Ryan

[Chucho]

LOL Safespace and a Hanger-on givin the free rent.

Mono semen shielding ST gossip :lol

Pusha, unsolicited, using C grade material.:lol

[Th'Pusher]

^buttfucked by a group of leftists :lol

[SnakeBoy]

:lol you wish were trolling when you let that gem slip. Literally no one belives that. Fucking Hannity is your nightly news. :lol

Was it this time?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266158&page=2&p=8886852&highlight=hannity#post8886852

[SnakeBoy]

So McCain said he voted no basically because he doesn't trust Ryan

He wants a bipartisan bill. I don't see Ryan/Pelosi/Schumer/McConnell letting that happen but I respect his dying wish.

[ElNono]

BS. McCain is afraid of dying. If he didn't have a head full of cancer I'd be topsy & you'd be turvy.

crawl motherfucker, crawl

[Thread]

He wants a bipartisan bill. I don't see Ryan/Pelosi/Schumer/McConnell letting that happen but I respect his dying wish.

"Oh, I've got so much money, so much privilege, before I enter my house I want to be justified. Uh, God, you see what I'm doing, uh, sir? I want everyone to have everything. That's me, God. McCain, John."

No, he couldn't just get virulent cancer in six months. No, had to get it a fortnight ago.:rolleyes

[boutons_deux]

60+ House votes to repeal,

7 fucking years

"On Day One ...."


May 4th:

http://media.salon.com/2017/05/trump-rose-garden-620x412.jpg

:lol

[RandomGuy]

"Oh, I've got so much money, so much privilege, before I enter my house I want to be justified. Uh, God, you see what I'm doing, uh, sir? I want everyone to have everything. That's me, God. McCain, John."

No, he couldn't just get virulent cancer in six months. No, had to get it a fortnight ago.:rolleyes


Later, as he got into his car to leave the Capitol, McCain was asked, "Why did you vote no?"
He answered simply: "Because it was the right vote."

[RandomGuy]

He is a war hero because he was captured," "I like people that weren't captured, OK? I hate to tell you. He is a war hero because he was captured. OK, you can have -- I believe perhaps he is a war hero."

Stupid.

Incompetent.

Venal.

[boutons_deux]

Stupid.

Incompetent.

Venal.

entitled, privileged slum-lord-daddy's-money prick of draft evader

[boutons_deux]

Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

3 Republicans and 48 Democrats let the American people down. As I said from the beginning, let ObamaCare implode, then deal. Watch!
1:25 AM - Jul 28, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890820505330212864)

:lol

Trash and Price will now do everything they can, without Congress, to destroy ACA.

[baseline bum]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/politics/behind-mccain-health-care-vote/index.html

Shortly before the roll call began to be called, McCain briefly stepped out of the Senate chamber.

Reporters would later learn that McCain spoke on the phone with President Donald Trump off of the Senate floor. The President tried -- with no success -- to change McCain's mind.

Damn Thread, so The Begging didn't work any better for Trump with your senator than it did for the Lakers with your center Dwight.

[Adam Lambert]

trump-cnn-wrestling-gif-except-with-mccain-tackling-trump.gif

[Adam Lambert]

though i must say its pretty fucked up that mccain is getting the hero treatment when collins and murkowski were a lot more consistent in their opposition and faced a lot more backlash throughout.

[Trill Clinton]

890815543258865664

[benefactor]

What is your I Q?

https://media.tenor.com/images/f501245907618131033b953b7d68ef7d/tenor.gif

[boutons_deux]

though i must say its pretty fucked up that mccain is getting the hero treatment when collins and murkowski were a lot more consistent in their opposition and faced a lot more backlash throughout.

yep, McLiar didn't do it by himself. The ladies were the true heroes.

Let's see if Trash/Zinke now cut Interior funds to AK

[monosylab1k]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7HoCKlNsolc/hqdefault.jpg

[Splits]

890869115841368065

[Splits]

890807322951299072

[Adam Lambert]

so tired of winning

[Thread]

Damn Thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320), so The Begging didn't work any better for Trump with your senator than it did for the Lakers with your center Dwight.

Now, you're back on regular footing.

[Pavlov]

McCain is not going gentle into that good night. Came back from the dead to fuck over Trump, McConnell and Ryan all at once.

Probably temporary, but pretty epic all things considered.

[Thread]

McCain is not going gentle into that good night. Came back from the dead to fuck over Trump, McConnell and Ryan all at once.

Probably temporary, but pretty epic all things considered.

Please. He's terminal & afraid of the dark. He's bargaining with God by sharing his wife's wealth so he's assured of Heaven Vs. Hell. "Here, God, take it all, well,,,not all, but, a goodly portion and spread it around 300 million Americans. I'm a changed man, God."

He's scared shitless. It's a phenomenon as old as time.

If he'd a ignored his symptoms like most normal people do when they realize something is up I'd be about an inch---inch &-a-half up your shitter this morn.

[Pavlov]

Please. He's terminal & afraid of the dark. He's bargaining with God by sharing his wife's wealth so he's assured of Heaven Vs. Hell. "Here, God, take it all, well,,,not all, but, a goodly portion and spread it around 300 million Americans. I'm a changed man, God."

He's scared shitless. It's a phenomenon as old as time.

If he'd a ignored his symptoms like most normal people do when they realize something is up I'd be about an inch---inch &-a-half up your shitter this morn.So you're saying assholes get a conscience before they die and that's a bad thing.

It's more than that though -- he could've spared Ryan. Pence, Trump and McConnell all the embarrassment had he just stayed in bed and not let the debate start at all. No Cully, this was a huge calculated shit bomb that McCain set then lured the others in real close like before setting it off in the dead of night.

[boutons_deux]

yep, McLiar could have stayed in AZ, but he instead made the look-at-me grandstanding move. "behold me, what a megastar hero I am"

[Splits]

890815543258865664

[Pavlov]

Not just personal grandstanding -- obvious and gratuitous trolling of his own party. Gotta tip the hat.

[Thread]

So you're saying assholes get a conscience before they die and that's a bad thing.

It's more than that though -- he could've spared Ryan. Pence, Trump and McConnell all the embarrassment had he just stayed in bed and not let the debate start at all. No Cully, this was a huge calculated shit bomb that McCain set then lured the others in real close like before setting it off in the dead of night.

Yes, I'm saying I'm extremely unlucky that he A. Got cancer....B. He didn't ignore the symptoms for a portion of time like most people will do. And C. Once diagnosed terminal he reacted like the vast lion's share of terminally ill people do:::start bargaining with God for more time and the assurance of heaven.

His days of calculating shit bombs ended when that doctor told him.

[Splits]

Obamacare law. Not Trumpcare

[Thread]

yep, McLiar could have stayed in AZ, but he instead made the look-at-me grandstanding move. "behold me, what a megastar hero I am"

& for the audience of one:::God.

[Thread]

Obamacare law. Not Trumpcare

Ain't no denying it:::we got beat like a rug.

[Pavlov]

Yes, I'm saying I'm extremely unlucky that he A. Got cancer....B. He didn't ignore the symptoms for a portion of time like most people will do. And C. Once diagnosed terminal he reacted like the vast lion's share of terminally ill people do:::start bargaining with God for more time and the assurance of heaven.

His days of calculating shit bombs ended when that doctor told him.Last night says different. I haven't seen an entire party leadership get played so badly by one of its own since, well ever.

Trump, Pence, Ryan, McConnell -- all completely humiliated by Scarface McCancer. It was the Godfather Baptism, Breaking Bad Prison Nazis and Game of Thrones Red Wedding rolled into one delicious cannoli.

And there is nothing you or they can do about it.

[ducks]

McCain
thinking the democrats will repeal get on board with new health bill
they want the same name and just a couple fixes
GET OFF THE MEDS

[ducks]

Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

3 Republicans and 48 Democrats let the American people down. As I said from the beginning, let ObamaCare implode, then deal. Watch!
1:25 AM - Jul 28, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890820505330212864)

:lol

Trash and Price will now do everything they can, without Congress, to destroy ACA.





aca is already dead needs no help

[Pavlov]

aca is already dead needs no helpThen why are you trying so hard?

[Thread]

Last night says different. I haven't seen an entire party leadership get played so badly by one of its own since, well ever.

Trump, Pence, Ryan, McConnell -- all completely humiliated by Scarface McCancer. It was the Godfather Baptism, Breaking Bad Prison Nazis and Game of Thrones Red Wedding rolled into one delicious cannoli.

And there is nothing you or they can do about it.

McCain is dying. And searching for absolution.

But, you're right on your last point:::there is nothing we can do about it.

[Pavlov]

McCain is dying. And searching for absolution.All he had to do for that was stay in bed.

He did not.

[Thread]

All he had to do for that was stay in bed.

He wanted to make sure God saw him & heard him.

His entire physiology has been turned upside down. He's going to do the Lord's work from now until his last breath.

I do not fucking believe it that this happened smack dab in the middle of this health care battle.

Fuck me.

[RandomGuy]

though i must say its pretty fucked up that mccain is getting the hero treatment when collins and murkowski were a lot more consistent in their opposition and faced a lot more backlash throughout.

McCain knows this is his last term. Now he gets to vote his conscience, and ignore fundraising.

[Pavlov]

He wanted to make sure God saw him & heard him.

His entire physiology has been turned upside down. He's going to do the Lord's work from now until his last breath.

I do not fucking believe it that this happened smack dab in the middle of this health care battle.

Fuck me.God would've seen him and heard him staying in bed.

Destroying the entire GOP leadership in the dead of night was all God's plan.

[Thread]

McCain knows this is his last term. Now he gets to vote his conscience, and ignore fundraising.

He's terminalPERIOD

[Th'Pusher]

I do not fucking believe it that this happened smack dab in the middle of this health care battle.

Fuck me.

What can you say. God's an Obama fan.

[ducks]

Then why are you trying so hard?

people are dying

[Pavlov]

people are dying:lol You just said people will die anyway yesterday, so you can't use that line today.

[Thread]

What can you say. God's an Obama fan.

If that were true, Zero would be welcome in that House.

[Kim Jong-il]

890815543258865664
:lmao mcconnell going stone faced mid-laugh when he sees mccain

[Kim Jong-il]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzRzqyWAAAop53?format=jpg
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Thread]

I just saw on CNN that perhaps the vote was not as close as it ended up at. They're stating that several "no" votes by Repubs changed to "yes" votes when McCain's "no" vote became known. That these Repubs changed their votes so they would not suffer backlash at the polls.

[Adam Lambert]

dems wiped the fuckin floor with trumps fuckin ass

[Pavlov]

Dem optics....

890862273371099136

[SnakeBoy]

Ain't no denying it:::we got beat like a rug.

There's always next season

[ducks]

Couple jump to their deaths because they 'can't afford' health care

[ducks]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mark-meadows-new-healthcare-bill-is-coming-that-can-get-to-51/article/2629982


not over yet:ihit

[djohn2oo8]

McCain wiped the floor with Trump's ass.

[Chinook]

Couple jump to their deaths because they 'can't afford' health care

I like Jumpcare as an option for stupid people regardless of what happens to the ACA

[Pavlov]

Couple jump to their deaths because they 'can't afford' health care

like people never died before healthcare bill passed

people get old and die that is life
I do not want want people to die
even the greatest dr can not save everyone
people do not eat correctly, smoke, drink to much
those causes health issues

that is life
sorry might sound harsh but kids even get cancer

they go to the dr they can try to get cures they can go to mexico and try to get cured

Also, I call bullshit on the headline in the first place.

[hater]

If it dies it dies - Donaldo Julius Trump

[djohn2oo8]

890812228063985664
:lmao

[Thread]

There's always next season

That ain't Hillary flyin' into Long Island on Air Force One this afternoon.

[djohn2oo8]

That ain't Hillary flyin' into Long Island on Air Force One this afternoon.

That won't be Hillary flying into a cell either.

[Thread]

That won't be Hillary flying into a cell either.

Nothing like a victory to get dj to address me.

Otherwise, I'm invisible.

[boutons_deux]

Trash and Price will and can screw up ACA without Congressional help

Trump's war of attrition against Obamacare

The administration can do plenty to undermine the law even if Republicans are unable to repeal it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/21/trumps-war-of-attrition-against-obamacare-240777

=================

The Government Accountability Office is investigating Trump's abuses against the ACA (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/27/1684591/-The-Government-Accountability-Office-is-investigating-Trump-s-abuses-against-the-ACA)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/27/1684591/-The-Government-Accountability-Office-is-investigating-Trump-s-abuses-against-the-ACA?detail=emaildkre

[monosylab1k]

Nothing like a victory to get dj to address me.

Otherwise, I'm invisible.

McCain mopped the fuckin floor with his fuckin ass

[Thread]

McCain mopped the fuckin floor with his fuckin ass

Gee, all it takes to come off Mono's ignore list is a victory.

Just shows ta go ya.

[ducks]

McCain screwed az and America because he wanted to say fuck trump
McCain needs to be forced out of office

[baseline bum]

890812228063985664
:lmao

:lol

[baseline bum]

McCain screwed az and America because he wanted to say fuck trump
McCain needs to be forced out of office

I expected a better meltdown from you ducks. This one is intelligible, not your style man.

[Thread]

:lol

Oh, yeah, just fuckin' hilarious.

[baseline bum]

Oh, yeah, just fuckin' hilarious.

Glad you agree

[boutons_deux]

890812228063985664

holy shit, that's inhumanely brutal :lol

[Xevious]

Not just personal grandstanding -- obvious and gratuitous trolling of his own party. Gotta tip the hat.
You see that 1/2 second pause as be looks at Mcconnell right after the thumbs down? :lol

[Pavlov]

You see that 1/2 second pause as be looks at Mcconnell right after the thumbs down? :lol:lol If McCain had full use of his arms, he would've pinned Mitch down and teabagged him in the well of the Senate.

[Thread]

:lol If McCain had full use of his arms, he would've pinned Mitch down and teabagged him in the well of the Senate.

With a scheduled appointment with God in the next year? I don't think so.

[Pavlov]

With a scheduled appointment with God in the next year? I don't think so.God approves of teabagging McConnell.

[rmt]

Congratulations to the liberals here and McCain - he is such an attention w***e - guess he wants to go out with a big bang. Trump and Republicans should not lift a finger to help ACA - let it proceed as it was written including the Cadillac tax - so that all the unions will scream for the end of it - unfortunately, iirc, they delayed it. Time to move on to tax reform.

[ducks]

I doubt he goes back

Cancer treatments Monday

[Th'Pusher]

Congratulations to the liberals here and McCain - he is such an attention w***e - guess he wants to go out with a big bang. Trump and Republicans should not lift a finger to help ACA - let it proceed as it was written including the Cadillac tax - so that all the unions will scream for the end of it - unfortunately, iirc, they delayed it. Time to move on to tax reform.

Repealing Obamacare was a prerequisite to tax reform.

[RandomGuy]

890812228063985664
:lmao

:lol

[RandomGuy]

Congratulations to the liberals here and McCain - he is such an attention w***e - guess he wants to go out with a big bang. Trump and Republicans should not lift a finger to help ACA - let it proceed as it was written including the Cadillac tax - so that all the unions will scream for the end of it - unfortunately, iirc, they delayed it. Time to move on to tax reform.

Yes. "it was the right thing to do" = attention w***e

I doubt after being given a diagnosis of aggressive brain cancer makes you really want more attention.

More likely:

It makes you think a lot harder about doing the right thing and f*** the consequences.

Obamacare should be fixed, not repealed. Republicans sow what they reaped, in terms of building up a Frankenstein monster, and that monster has now turned on them.

[Chris]

891033871181021184

[Th'Pusher]

891033871181021184

Does it bother you to watch an old cancerous man take his dong out, put it in your leader's mouth, then swirl it around?

[rmt]

Yes. "it was the right thing to do" = attention w***e

I doubt after being given a diagnosis of aggressive brain cancer makes you really want more attention.

More likely:

It makes you think a lot harder about doing the right thing and f*** the consequences.

Obamacare should be fixed, not repealed. Republicans sow what they reaped, in terms of building up a Frankenstein monster, and that monster has now turned on them.

It's the Democrats who built that monster, the "Affordable" Care Act, that will contribute to bankrupting us if this Medicaid expansion of able-bodied individuals is allowed to continue. I guess since he has his brain tumor he doesn't care that the people in his state had the highest increase in premiums in the country. And you still haven't answered my question about who the responsible adults are that clean up the messes the Republicans leave behind.

[boutons_deux]

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/597b5fc0c908b0713089d7a9/master/w_1454,c_limit/DC170728.jpg

[ducks]

Leading to kill it
liar
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19116/watch-mccain-2016-campaign-ad-he-leading-fight-hank-berrien?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand

[boutons_deux]

Trump Supporters Furious That They Still Have Health Care

WASHINGTON —With a fury that could spell political trouble for Republicans in the midterm elections, Trump voters across the country on Friday expressed their outrage and anger that they still have health coverage.

“I went to bed Thursday night and slept like a baby,

assuming that when I woke up I would have zero health insurance,” Carol Foyler, a Trump voter, said.

“Instead, this nightmare.”

Harland Dorrinson, who voted for Trump “because he promised that he would take my health care away from me on Day 1,” said that

he was “very upset” that he will still receive that benefit.

“I woke up this morning, and my family and I could still see a doctor,” he said. “This is a betrayal.”

Many Trump supporters said that congressional Republicans “gave up too soon” in their efforts to deprive ordinary Americans like them of their health care.

“They should not take August off,”

Calvin Denoit, a Trump supporter, said.

“They should stay in Washington and keep working until I totally lose my coverage.”

For Trump voters like Benoit, the abject disappointment of continuing to have health care raises fears about which other campaign promises might soon be broken.

“Now I don’t know what to believe,” he said. “Are we still going to get to pay billions of dollars in taxes for that wall?

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-supporters-furious-that-they-still-have-health-care?mbid=nl_072817%20Borowitz%20Newsletter%20(1)&CNDID=43758549&spMailingID=11581381&spUserID=MTQzNTk4NzA3ODYzS0&spJobID=1202576548&spReportId=MTIwMjU3NjU0OAS2 (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-supporters-furious-that-they-still-have-health-care?mbid=nl_072817%20Borowitz%20Newsletter%20(1)&CNDID=43758549&spMailingID=11581381&spUserID=MTQzNTk4NzA3ODYzS0&spJobID=1202576548&spReportId=MTIwMjU3NjU0OAS2)

[boutons_deux]

A Top Republican Congressman Just Called For Senator Mitch McConnell’s Resignation

Congressman Mo Brooks (R-AL) isn’t taking the failure of his Senate colleagues (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-skinny-repeal-option-health-care/story?id=48870581)to pass his party’s long-promised “repeal and replace” legislation for ObamaCare lightly. He’s naming names and calling for heads to roll, beginning with head of the Senate Majority Leader.

“If they’re gonna quit, well then by golly, maybe they ought to start at the top with Mitch McConnell leaving his position and letting somebody new, somebody bold, somebody conservative take the reins,”

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/28/sally-yates-just-alerted-american-people-trumps-tyrannical-takeover-justice-department/

[rmt]

A Top Republican Congressman Just Called For Senator Mitch McConnell’s Resignation

Congressman Mo Brooks (R-AL) isn’t taking the failure of his Senate colleagues (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-skinny-repeal-option-health-care/story?id=48870581)to pass his party’s long-promised “repeal and replace” legislation for ObamaCare lightly. He’s naming names and calling for heads to roll, beginning with head of the Senate Majority Leader.

“If they’re gonna quit, well then by golly, maybe they ought to start at the top with Mitch McConnell leaving his position and letting somebody new, somebody bold, somebody conservative take the reins,”

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/28/sally-yates-just-alerted-american-people-trumps-tyrannical-takeover-justice-department/

He ought to be taking out his frustration on the 3 who voted against it - not McConnell.

[Xevious]

891033871181021184

Does it bother you to watch an old cancerous man take his dong out, put it in your leader's mouth, then swirl it around?
Omg :lol

[monosylab1k]

Does it bother you to watch an old cancerous man take his dong out, put it in your leader's mouth, then swirl it around?

:lmao

[Reck]

He ought to be taking out his frustration on the 3 who voted against it - not McConnell.

Which part did you missed in which none of them actually wanted this piece of shit bill to become law?

They were all counting on Paul Ryan to hold a consference and somehow deciding not to vote on it.

You owe those "3 republicans" thanks for keeping your healthcare today.

[Reck]

Does it bother you to watch an old cancerous man take his dong out, put it in your leader's mouth, then swirl it around?

My nigga. :lmao

[rmt]

Which part did you missed in which none of them actually wanted this piece of shit bill to become law?

They were all counting on Paul Ryan to hold a consference and somehow deciding not to vote on it.

You owe those "3 republicans" thanks for keeping your healthcare today.

I don't owe them anything. My healthcare is secure regardless of whether they voted for it or not. Instead, it's the millions of YOUNG people who are being forced to buy EXPENSIVE health insurance or pay a penalty who have got the raw end of the deal. At a time in their lives when they should be paying off college debt, saving for a house or investing for the future, they are instead forced to pay more than they should to offset health insurance for the sick and elderly.

[Pavlov]

I don't owe them anything. My healthcare is secure regardless of whether they voted for it or not. Instead, it's the millions of YOUNG people who are being forced to buy EXPENSIVE health insurance or pay a penalty who have got the raw end of the deal. At a time in their lives when they should be paying off college debt, saving for a house or investing for the future, they are instead forced to pay more than they should to offset health insurance for the sick and elderly.That's what health insurance is.

[rmt]

That's what health insurance is.

They should be paying according to their risk like other insurances. Do I as a middle-aged woman who hasn't had a ticket in decades pay the same auto insurance rate as a male, teenager with lots of tickets - no. On the other hand, someone my age is only paying 3 times what a young person does when an older person's risk is actuarially supposed to be 5 times a young person. ACA has made it more burdensome on young people than it should. This is discounting that the 10 essential benefits loads up on things a young person just doesn't need.

[rmt]

I guess that most of you here are young - how does it feel that at every angle you are being made to pay for the old folks? That with college debt, the outrageous prices of homes, stagnant wages and yes, burdensome, health insurance at a time when it should be dirt cheap is holding you back, not giving you a shot at the American dream which so many before you have achieved while paying for the seniors' SS, Medicare, subsidizing older people's health insurance and knowing that there will be little left for you when it's your turn. You don't need me to tell you that SS, Medicare and now Medicaid to able-bodied individuals is unsustainable - just do the math.

[baseline bum]

I guess that most of you here are young - how does it feel that at every angle you are being made to pay for the old folks? That with college debt, the outrageous prices of homes, stagnant wages and yes, burdensome, health insurance at a time when it should be dirt cheap is holding you back, not giving you a shot at the American dream which so many before you have achieved while paying for the seniors' SS, Medicare, subsidizing older people's health insurance and knowing that there will be little left for you when it's your turn. You don't need me to tell you that SS, Medicare and now Medicaid to able-bodied individuals is unsustainable - just do the math.

Your whining about how we can't afford the safety net is retarded since your GOP will just cut taxes on the rich thus erasing all the savings that would have come from cutting these programs.

[baseline bum]

He ought to be taking out his frustration on the 3 who voted against it - not McConnell.

McConnell let it come up for a vote so he could be done with it for a while. The senate can only do one reconciliation bill per fiscal year on each of spending, taxes, and the debt ceiling, and by letting that vote happen when he knew he didn't have McCain's vote he used up the spending bill. Now they can't try another ACA repeal until the new fiscal year starting October 1st. So yeah, McConnell is absolutely to blame if you wanted the GOP to keep pushing this stupid repeal.

[Adam Lambert]

They should be paying according to their risk like other insurances. Do I as a middle-aged woman who hasn't had a ticket in decades pay the same auto insurance rate as a male, teenager with lots of tickets - no. On the other hand, someone my age is only paying 3 times what a young person does when an older person's risk is actuarially supposed to be 5 times a young person. ACA has made it more burdensome on young people than it should. This is discounting that the 10 essential benefits loads up on things a young person just doesn't need.

take it up with the providers. theyre the ones who offer the packages you select from, not the aca. most of them offer low risk plans at substantially lower cost, but if you dont think theyre low enough, thats on them.

[rmt]

take it up with the providers. theyre the ones who offer the packages you select from, not the aca. most of them offer low risk plans at substantially lower cost, but if you dont think theyre low enough, thats on them.

ACA mandates that older people are only 3 times (instead of the actuary 5 times) young people - look it up.

[rmt]

Actually, it's 4.8 times iirc.

[Adam Lambert]

ACA mandates that older people are only 3 times (instead of the actuary 5 times) young people - look it up.

fine you got me there. i hate obamacare anyway, but until we have single payer were always going to be pawns for the insurance companies.

[rmt]

fine you got me there. i hate obamacare anyway, but until we have single payer were always going to be pawns for the insurance companies.

And how do you propose we get from where we are now to single payer? Do you think we should change our educational system to lower costs for medical (nurses, therapists, etc too) students, change our legal system to prevent high malpractice awards, and change what our entire medical system earns (Sweden's specialists earn about $94k pre-tax)? How else do you propose to lower costs? And this is not accounting for the cost of salaries and PENSIONS (since they are now government employees) for people to administer this single payer. Good luck convincing all those doctors, nurses, therapists, etc to earn European type salaries. What type of push back do you think the educational, legal and medical systems plus the insurance companies will put forth to prevent this?

[Adam Lambert]

And how do you propose we get from where we are now to single payer? Do you think we should change our educational system to lower costs for medical (nurses, therapists, etc too) students, change our legal system to prevent high malpractice awards, and change what our entire medical system earns (Sweden's specialists earn about $94k pre-tax)? How else do you propose to lower costs? And this is not accounting for the cost of salaries and PENSIONS (since they are now government employees) for people to administer this single payer. Good luck convincing all those doctors, nurses, therapists, etc to earn European type salaries. What type of push back do you think the educational, legal and medical systems plus the insurance companies will put forth to prevent this?

:rolleyes
european doctors seem to like it fine. as do europeans. many emergency medical costs will be prevented by the regular check-ins public health care would provide. ultimately we would be a healthier and less expensive population.

until then a good start to pay for it would be the billions of dollars the 1% are keeping out of the economy and out of taxes. wasnt donald supposed to do something about that?

for the rest of us, we pay for it with tax increases, which no reasonable person should have a problem with since were not having to pay insurance.

were an insanely wealthy country and the only developed nation in the world that runs itself like a third world country afraid to ask its wealthiest citizens to foot the bill for anything.

[Will Hunting]

And how do you propose we get from where we are now to single payer? Do you think we should change our educational system to lower costs for medical (nurses, therapists, etc too) students, change our legal system to prevent high malpractice awards, and change what our entire medical system earns (Sweden's specialists earn about $94k pre-tax)? How else do you propose to lower costs? And this is not accounting for the cost of salaries and PENSIONS (since they are now government employees) for people to administer this single payer. Good luck convincing all those doctors, nurses, therapists, etc to earn European type salaries. What type of push back do you think the educational, legal and medical systems plus the insurance companies will put forth to prevent this?
So your argument against single payer is that there will be push back from greedy insurance companies? Isn't that the point?

[rmt]

:rolleyes
european doctors seem to like it fine. as do europeans. many emergency medical costs will be prevented by the regular check-ins public health care would provide. ultimately we would be a healthier and less expensive population.

until then a good start to pay for it would be the billions of dollars the 1% are keeping out of the economy and out of taxes. wasnt donald supposed to do something about that?

for the rest of us, we pay for it with tax increases, which no reasonable person should have a problem with since were not having to pay insurance.

were an insanely wealthy country and the only developed nation in the world that runs itself like a third world country afraid to ask its wealthiest citizens to foot the bill for anything.

European doctors don't have the college/medical school debt that our doctors do. They also probably don't have to be as qualified/go to school as long as ours do. Before one could practice pharmacy with a BS - now (new ones) you have to be a Doctor of Pharmacy to practice. Everything is upped - Doctor of Physical Therapy, audiology, optometry, etc. I doubt that Europe has such high qualifications - that they have to have doctoral degrees to practice. They also don't get sued as our medical professionals do. Do you think any sane person would study for so many years/accumulate debt/be at risk to be sued to earn less than $94k per year ($47/hr) when they could come out of high school and flip burgers for $15/hr?

Those billions of $ are not an ongoing influx and cannot be counted on to sustain such a program. And for all those with employer-sponsored/government/union insurance who are paying little or nothing for their insurance, do you think they'll go along with having a big chunk taken out of their salaries (that they didn't have before) to pay for this? Are the employers gonna up our salaries to offset this?


So your argument against single payer is that there will be push back from greedy insurance companies? Isn't that the point?

It's not just the insurance companies - it's the schools/colleges, lawyers, entire medical profession that you'll get push back from if European style single payer is what you're going after. And our entire compensatory system would have to be adjusted or people would simply not go into those fields if higher paying fields are available to them (for less years in college/debt).

[baseline bum]

So your argument against single payer is that there will be push back from greedy insurance companies? Isn't that the point?


:cry Won't someone please think of the medical schools and the poor insurance companies? :cry

[Pavlov]

They should be paying according to their risk like other insurances. Do I as a middle-aged woman who hasn't had a ticket in decades pay the same auto insurance rate as a male, teenager with lots of tickets - no. On the other hand, someone my age is only paying 3 times what a young person does when an older person's risk is actuarially supposed to be 5 times a young person. ACA has made it more burdensome on young people than it should. This is discounting that the 10 essential benefits loads up on things a young person just doesn't need.Driving is not the same as living. Just give me a real dollar figure on how much you think a self employed 60 year old should be paying every year in premiums.

$12?

[Chris]

TRUMP

891334415347060736

[leemajors]

more pointless threats and flailing from dear leader

[Pavlov]

TRUMP

891334415347060736Could you explain what Trump is talking about, Chris?

[Pavlov]

Couple jump to their deaths because they 'can't afford' health care:lmao The original report came from the NY Post. They have corrected their story without comment. The words "health care" and "medical" are no longer in it.

http://nypost.com/2017/07/28/couple-caught-in-financial-spiral-jump-to-their-deaths/

Just some overextended idiots who abandoned their kids.

[Chris]

Could you explain what Trump is talking about, Chris?

Yes, he said if a new health care bill is not approved quickly, bailouts for insurance companies and bailouts for members of Congress will end very soon.

[Pavlov]

Yes, he said if a new health care bill is not approved quickly, bailouts for insurance companies and bailouts for members of Congress will end very soon.Yeah, what bailouts ore those, Chris?

[Chris]

Yeah, what bailouts ore those, Chris?

Bailouts for insurance companies and bailouts for members of Congress

[Pavlov]

Bailouts for insurance companies and bailouts for members of CongressCould you provide any examples and amounts of these bailouts, Chris?

[boutons_deux]

Is sicko Trash still pissed at the knitter for roasting Trash wonderfully at the WH correspondents dinner?

Graham/SC has new plan already this morning, still cuts $100Bs from Medicaid

[Chris]

Could you provide any examples and amounts of these bailouts, Chris?

No

[Pavlov]

NoOf course you can't.

It's simply made up bullshit you are spoon fed.

[baseline bum]

Is sicko Trash still pissed at the knitter for roasting Trash wonderfully at the WH correspondents dinner?

Graham/SC has new plan already this morning, still cuts $100Bs from Medicaid

Not getting 60 votes so it's just Lindsey jacking off.

[AaronY]

No

You're fucking adorable. Don't ever change

[boutons_deux]

He ought to be taking out his frustration on the 3 who voted against it - not McConnell.

others are blaming Trash for not artfully "selling the deal" to Americans to remove health care from 20M people.

[boutons_deux]

Could you explain what Trump is talking about, Chris?

Trash's inarticulate, fractured, fucked up language DECODED "apparently", matching his fractured, fucked up brain:

Trump threatens to end insurance payments if no healthcare bill

President Donald Trump threatened on Saturday to end government payments to health insurers if Congress does not pass a healthcare bill.

The first part of Trump's tweet appeared to be referring to the approximately $8 billion in cost-sharing reduction subsidies paid by the federal government to insurers to lower the price of health coverage for low-income individuals.

The second part of the tweet appeared to be a threat to end the employer contribution for members of Congress and their staffs who were moved from the normal federal employee healthcare benefits program onto the Obamacare insurance exchanges as part of the 2010 healthcare law.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-trump-idUSKBN1AE0QQ?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FhealthNews+%28Reute rs+Health+News%29

[Pavlov]

:lol "bailouts"
:lol "businessman"

[boutons_deux]

Is sicko Trash still pissed at the knitter for roasting Trash wonderfully at the WH correspondents dinner?

Graham/SC has new plan already this morning, still cuts $100Bs from Medicaid

"Senator Lindsey Graham said in a statement issued late on Friday that he and two other Republican senators, Dean Heller and Bill Cassidy, met with Trump after the defeat to discuss

Graham's proposal to take tax money raised by Obamacare and send it back to the states in the form of healthcare block grants.

Graham said the move would end Democrats' drive for a national single-payer healthcare system by putting states in charge.

"President Trump was optimistic about the Graham-Cassidy-Heller proposal," "

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-trump-idUSKBN1AE0QQ?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FhealthNews+%28Reute rs+Health+News%29

"President Trump was optimistic" :lol Trash doesn't have the tiniest fucking clue what is going on.

Just blind bullying anybody and anything that dares to make him look like a LOSER, which of course he is.

[baseline bum]

:lol "bailouts"
:lol "businessman"

If there is anyone who would understand getting a bailout, it's our Dear Leader.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.truthdig.com/images/made/images/cartoonuploads/KamenskyTrumpcareDead_1000_500_350.jpg

[Pavlov]

If there is anyone who would understand getting a bailout, it's our Dear Leader.Health care can be fixed if we just let Carl Ichan and Dmitry Rybolovlev cover all the red ink.

[SnakeBoy]

:rolleyes
european doctors seem to like it fine. as do europeans. many emergency medical costs will be prevented by the regular check-ins public health care would provide. ultimately we would be a healthier and less expensive population.

until then a good start to pay for it would be the billions of dollars the 1% are keeping out of the economy and out of taxes. wasnt donald supposed to do something about that?

for the rest of us, we pay for it with tax increases, which no reasonable person should have a problem with since were not having to pay insurance.

were an insanely wealthy country and the only developed nation in the world that runs itself like a third world country afraid to ask its wealthiest citizens to foot the bill for anything.

Why is it you always run to the single payer mantra when it isn't on the the table. There is no single payer plan, Democrats aren't giving you a single payer system.

[rmt]

The Dem senators don't want to go on record for single payer - voted "present." I wonder how Bernie fans feel about that.

[rmt]

[/COLOR]The second part of the tweet appeared to be a threat to end the employer contribution for members of Congress and their staffs who were moved from the normal federal employee healthcare benefits program onto the Obamacare insurance exchanges as part of the 2010 healthcare law.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-trump-idUSKBN1AE0QQ?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FhealthNews+%28Reute rs+Health+News%29




Those politicians and their staff should be forced to live under the same laws that we do. What? Might there be something that liberals here agree with Trump on? There must be a blue moon out tonight :-)

[Kim Jong-il]

http://www.truthdig.com/images/made/images/cartoonuploads/KamenskyTrumpcareDead_1000_500_350.jpg
Stop. Every time liberals say Trumpcare is dead, suddenly it's tweaked slightly and up for another vote. Trumpcare is inevitable, and if Republicans can't get something passed before losing control in 2018, then they are seriously fucked. Until then, stop declaring Trumpcare dead, it's not even close to dead.

[baseline bum]

The Dem senators don't want to go on record for single payer - voted "present." I wonder how Bernie fans feel about that.

They probably feel disappointed there is no liberal party in the US.

[baseline bum]

Stop. Every time liberals say Trumpcare is dead, suddenly it's tweaked slightly and up for another vote. Trumpcare is inevitable, and if Republicans can't get something passed before losing control in 2018, then they are seriously fucked. Until then, stop declaring Trumpcare dead, it's not even close to dead.

Trumpcare will be very hard to pass before October since McConnell wasted his one spending reconciliation bill for the fiscal year on the skinny repeal. It's awesome that McCain let the vote happen by supporting the motion to proceed and made McConnell put it up for a vote and use up his spending reconciliation bill on it. :lmao

It would have to be folded into their tax cut bill (which will be hard enough to pass on its own) or their must pass bill to raise the debt ceiling, since the senate is also allowed one reconciliation bill on revenues and one on debt ceilings per fiscal year. Until October 1st and the beginning of the new fiscal year healtcare votes are probably just going to be meaningless masturbation unless the parties write a bill that has a chance to get 60 votes in the senate.

[rmt]

Stop. Every time liberals say Trumpcare is dead, suddenly it's tweaked slightly and up for another vote. Trumpcare is inevitable, and if Republicans can't get something passed before losing control in 2018, then they are seriously fucked. Until then, stop declaring Trumpcare dead, it's not even close to dead.

Are you referring to the House? I thought that a lot of Dem senators are up in 2018 - some in Trump country.

[boutons_deux]

Stop. Every time liberals say Trumpcare is dead, suddenly it's tweaked slightly and up for another vote.

my take on the cartoon was that the dead person was killed by trashcare

[boutons_deux]

Majority of Americans want Congress to move on from healthcare reform

Nearly two-thirds of the country wants to either keep or modify the Affordable Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare, and a majority of Americans want Congress to turn its attention to other priorities,

The July 28-29 poll of more than 1,130 Americans, conducted after the Republican-led effort collapsed in the Senate, found that 64 percent said they wanted to keep Obamacare, either “entirely as is” or after fixing “problem areas.” That is up from 54 percent in January.

The survey found that support for the law still runs along party lines, with nine out of 10 Democrats and just three out of 10 Republicans saying they wanted to keep or modify Obamacare.

Among Republicans, three-fourths said they would like their party’s leaders to try to repeal and replace Obamacare at some point, though most listed other issues that they would give a higher priority right now.

When asked what they think Congress should do next, most Americans picked other priorities such as

tax reform, foreign relations and infrastructure.

Only 29 percent said they wanted Republicans in Congress to “continue working on a new healthcare bill.”

Americans appear to be more supportive of some of the main features of Obamacare. For example,

77 percent said they were in favor of expanding Medicaid to low-income families, and

43 percent said they favored requiring U.S. residents to own health insurance.

That was up from 66 percent and 36 percent, respectively, when Reuters/Ipsos first asked those questions in April 2012.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/majority-of-americans-want-congress-to-move-on-from-healthcare-reform/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

WH spokes person says passage of repeal-and-replace is Trash's imperative, is Trash's priority before any other legislation.

btw, Trash mentioned in the campaign "repeal Obamacare" and "family leave" more often than "build the wall"

I bet he won't fight for "family leave" any more that he fights the "LGBT people love me"

[Thread]

WH spokes person says passage of repeal-and-replace is Trash's imperative, if Trash's priority before any other legislation.

btw, Trash mentioned in the campaign "repeal Obamacare" and "family leave" more often than "build the wall"

I bet he won't fight for "family leave" any more that he fights the "LGBT people love me"

Because it's safe. He doesn't own it. There is no risk to (him). He can fight that fight indefinitely without harm. It's all upside.

He can fight it and Obama's name is on it the entire time.

[monosylab1k]

my take on the cartoon was that the dead person was killed by trashcare

A toe tag is used to identify a dead body.

[boutons_deux]

A toe tag is used to identify a dead body.

of course, I know that, both interpretations are valid, and the Repugs have already been working on the Trumpcare zombie (it ain't dead)

[baseline bum]

of course, I know that, both interpretations are valid, and the Repugs have already been working on the Trumpcare zombie (it ain't dead)

They're going to have to bundle it in with taxes or with the debt ceiling vote if they want a reconciliation bill before October. The House might move on something but the senate's hands are tied unless they want another enormous fight on tax cuts or on must pass legislation to raise the debt ceiling. No way the senate is going to let Trump take the fallout for the US defaulting just like they weren't going to let the government shutdown on his watch either. And they won't be in a strong position to push healthcare into that must pass legislation.

[ducks]

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., reportedly has a new overhaul plan for the Senate, where senators will returned Monday because Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has revoked the first two weeks of their traditional August recess.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/30/trump-strong-arms-obamacare-back-to-table-holdout-collins-says-job-is-not-done.html

[ducks]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/29/senate-republicans-obamacare-repeal-241128

[Adam Lambert]

Why is it you always run to the single payer mantra when it isn't on the the table. There is no single payer plan, Democrats aren't giving you a single payer system.

youre right why discuss anything that isnt a current bill in congress? :rolleyes

dems will push for single payer when enough people demand it.

[ducks]

Sen. Flake to Lawmakers: 'We Are the Biggest Problem Here'

[baseline bum]

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., reportedly has a new overhaul plan for the Senate, where senators will returned Monday because Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has revoked the first two weeks of their traditional August recess.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/30/trump-strong-arms-obamacare-back-to-table-holdout-collins-says-job-is-not-done.html

So Trump is going to rip up the rules of the senate?

[ducks]

Get it done
Congress does not deserve month vacation

[Reck]

Bailouts for insurance companies and bailouts for members of Congress

Empty threats.

Maybe someone should tell him that he actually needs them more than the other way around.

[Reck]

The Dem senators don't want to go on record for single payer - voted "present." I wonder how Bernie fans feel about that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chuck-schumer-single-payer_us_5974b05be4b00e4363e0164e

[SnakeBoy]

youre right why discuss anything that isnt a current bill in congress? :rolleyes

dems will push for single payer when enough people demand it.

lol Keep dreaming

It's not that you should never discuss it but you use it at a shield. The magical non existent single payer plan that solves all issues. Fuck it's like the paulbots used to be with the magical gold standard that would fix all problems but they couldn't answer a single question about the specifics of how it would work.

[boutons_deux]

So Trump is going to rip up the rules of the senate?

Bitch McC has pretty much broken the Senate, with Garland/Gorsuch fiasco, and obstructing EVERYTHING from Obama or Dems since 2009

Going back to Gingrich (another fucking Confederate slave state asshole destroyer (in the news this weekend again), Repugs have denied the legitimacy of the Dems being another party, corollary being that compromising with the Dems is treason.

[boutons_deux]

Noted Obamacare Hater Tomi Lahren Admits Being on Obamacare

Conservative pundit Tomi Lahren has gone on record multiple times about her disdain for the 2010 Affordable Care Act, which is commonly referred to as “Obamacare.”

One particular issue with Lahren’s criticism of the ACA is that she apparently is a direct beneficiary of one of its provisions.

Under current law, if a person’s insurance covers children,

they are allowed to keep their children on their health insurance policy until they turn 26 years old.

As it relates to Lahren, this is relevant because she made an interesting admission while debating the ACA with Chelsea Handler at Politicon over the weekend.

“Luckily, I am 24, so I am still on my parents’ plan,”

http://www.complex.com/life/2017/07/tomi-lahren-admits-being-on-obamacare (http://www.complex.com/life/2017/07/tomi-lahren-admits-being-on-obamacare)

:lol This is NOT Andy Borowitz :lol

[boutons_deux]

Trash tells Senate Republicans 'the world is watching' on health care

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/30/trump-tells-senate-republicans-world-is-watching-on-health-care.html

:lol sicko Trash is so fucking lost in his own UnReality show

[ducks]

Poor babies in congress working for 2 more weeks
Now get things done

[Thread]

Trash tells Senate Republicans 'the world is watching' on health care

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/30/trump-tells-senate-republicans-world-is-watching-on-health-care.html

:lol sicko Trash is so fucking lost in his own UnReality show



- "There are consequences to elections."

- Zero

[RandomGuy]

It's the Democrats who built that monster, the "Affordable" Care Act, that will contribute to bankrupting us if this Medicaid expansion of able-bodied individuals is allowed to continue. I guess since he has his brain tumor he doesn't care that the people in his state had the highest increase in premiums in the country. And you still haven't answered my question about who the responsible adults are that clean up the messes the Republicans leave behind.

It isn't a monster.

It won't bankrupt us.

That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

Feel free to outline how, specifically, either statement is true.

[Adam Lambert]

lol Keep dreaming

It's not that you should never discuss it but you use it at a shield. The magical non existent single payer plan that solves all issues. Fuck it's like the paulbots used to be with the magical gold standard that would fix all problems but they couldn't answer a single question about the specifics of how it would work.

most people can explain it a lot better than the ":cry death panels :cry and :cry socialism :cry" mantras that defeated it in the first place. particularly anyone who lives in a developed country where it currently exists and works.

[boutons_deux]

...

[SnakeBoy]

most people can explain it a lot better than the ":cry death panels :cry and :cry socialism :cry" mantras that defeated it in the first place. particularly anyone who lives in a developed country where it currently exists and works.

You can't. The Democrats can't. Bernie couldn't.

[boutons_deux]

Robert Reich's blog

The demise of the Republican effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act is hardly the end of the story. Donald Trump will not let this loss stand.

Since its inception in 2010, Republicans made the Affordable Care Act into a symbol of Obama-Clinton overreach – part of a supposed plot by liberal elites to expand government, burden the white working class, and transfer benefits to poor blacks and Latinos.

Ever the political opportunist, Trump poured his own poisonous salt into this conjured-up wound. Although he never really understood the Affordable Care Act,

Trump used it to prey upon resentments of class, race, ethnicity, and religiosity that propelled him into the White House.
Repealing “Obamacare” has remained one of Trump’s central rallying cries to his increasingly angry base. “The question for every senator, Democrat or Republican, is whether they will side with Obamacare’s architects, which have been so destructive to our country, or with its forgotten victims,” Trump said last Monday, adding that any senator who failed to vote against it “is telling America that you are fine with the Obamacare nightmare.”

Now, having lost that fight,

Trump will try to subvert the Act by delaying funding so some insurers won’t have time to participate,

not enforcing the individual mandate so funding will be inadequate,

not informing those who are eligible about when to sign up and how to do so, and

looking the other way when states don’t comply.

But that’s not all.

Trump doesn’t want his base to perceive him as a loser.

So be prepared for scorched-earth politics from the Oval Office, including more savage verbal attacks on Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, more baseless charges of voter fraud in the 2016 election, more specific threats to fire special counsel Robert Mueller, and further escalation of the culture wars.

Most Americans won’t be swayed by these pyrotechnics because they’ve become inured to our unhinged president.

But that’s not the point.

The rantings are intended to shore up Trump’s “base” – the third of the country that continues to support him, who still believe they’re “victims” of Obamacare,

who are willing to believe Trump himself is the victim of a liberal conspiracy to unseat him.

Trump wants his base to become increasingly angry and politically mobilized so they’ll continue to exert an outsized influence on the Republican Party.

There is a deeper danger here. As Harvard political scientist Archon Fung has argued,

stable democracies require that citizens be committed to the rule of law even if they fail to achieve their preferred policies.

Settling our differences through ballots and agreed-upon processes rather than through force is what separates democracy from authoritarianism.

But Donald Trump has never been committed to the rule of law. For him, it’s all about winning. If he can’t win through established democratic processes, he’ll mobilize his base to change them.

Trump is already demanding that Mitch McConnell and senate Republicans obliterate the filibuster, thereby allowing anything to be passed with a bare majority.

On Saturday he tweeted “Republican Senate must get rid of 60 vote NOW!” adding the filibuster “allows 8 Dems to control country,” and “Republicans in the Senate will NEVER win if they don’t go to a 51 vote majority NOW. They look like fools and are just wasting time.”

What’s particularly worrisome about Trump’s attack on the processes of our democracy is that the assault comes at a time when the percentage of Americans who regard the other party as a fundamental threat is growing.

In 2014 – even before Trump’s incendiary presidential campaign – 35 percent of Republicans saw the Democratic Party as a “threat to the nation’s well being” and 27 percent of Democrats regarded Republicans the same way, according to the Pew Research Center.

Those percentages are undoubtedly higher today. If Trump has his way, they’ll be higher still.

Anyone who regards the other party as a threat to the nation’s well being is less apt to accept outcomes in which the other is perceived to prevail – whether it’s a decision not to repeal the Affordable Care Act, or a special counsel’s conclusion that Trump did in fact collude with Russians, or even the outcome of the next presidential election.

As a practical matter,

when large numbers of citizens aren’t willing to accept such outcomes, we’re no longer part of the same democracy.

I fear this is where Trump intends to take his followers, along with as much of the Republican Party as he can:

Toward a rejection of political outcomes they regard as illegitimate and therefore a rejection of democracy as we know it.

That way, Trump will always win.

========================

[rmt]

LOL at large numbers of Dems unwilling to accept Trump as president.

[boutons_deux]

Orrin Hatch Says Senate Is Too Divided To Keep Up Healthcare Push

senators for now are too divided to keep working on healthcare overhaul legislation and that he and other senior Republicans will take that message to the White House.

President Donald Trump has been urging lawmakers not to drop the matter, despite a series of failed votes last week. “There’s just too much animosity and we’re too divided on healthcare,“Hatch said in an interview with Reuters.

He said he would prefer Congress not appropriate cost-sharing subsidies that help make Obamacare plans affordable but added, “I think we’re going to have to do that.”

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/15d9d7b056243b6b

... iow, Repugs gonna stop ACA from imploding, perfectly countering Trash's fantasy. :lol

[pgardn]

LOL at large numbers of Dems unwilling to accept Trump as president.

One would think they had the same attitude as Mitch McConnell.
What goes around...

And you are missing the part where many Republicans don't think Donald is truly a Republican. He is what he needs to be to win. And winning is something that only he has a clear definition of. Still looking for 3 million votes... why? Because in his mind he was not a fully legitimate winner. By the rules he was a legitimate winner. In fact he was a clearly legitimate winner against all odds. But apparently not in his mind. (Or the great Bootamizer's)

As as far as Trump becoming an effective president after winning... this will be one for the history books for incompetence and deceit. This will make people long for professional politicians IMO. Now we know why a businessman can't run a democratic government. Too bad.

[baseline bum]

LOL at large numbers of Dems unwilling to accept Trump as president.

I think everyone accepts that Trump is president. LOL at large number of Reps unwilling to accept that Trump's presidency is a dumpster fire.

[pgardn]

At this point the Republican's will try to throw anything together just to get votes, no matter how bad. I can see a bill that has directly opposing language of funding and defunding just to get something passed. The only goal now is pass anything.

[baseline bum]

One would think they had the same attitude as Mitch McConnell.
What goes around...

And you are missing the part where many Republicans don't think Donald is truly a Republican. He is what he needs to be to win. And winning is something that only he has a clear definition of. Still looking for 3 million votes... why? Because in his mind he was not a fully legitimate winner. By the rules he was a legitimate winner. In fact he was a clearly legitimate winner against all odds. But apparently not in his mind. (Or the great Bootamizer's)

As as far as Trump becoming an effective president after winning... this will be one for the history books for incompetence and deceit. This will make people long for professional politicians IMO. Now we know why a businessman can't run a democratic government. Too bad.

Businessman? You mean salesman. Back when he tried to build shit he went bankrupt multiple times and almost went under if not for a fat bank bailout. That's when he decided to just slap his name on everything and charge for that. A businessman would have been someone like Perot, who might have actually been a decent president.

[pgardn]

I think everyone accepts that Trump is president. LOL at large number of Reps unwilling to accept that Trump's presidency is a dumpster fire.

Not the Bootomizer.

But yeah. Pretty much spot on.

[pgardn]

Businessman? You mean salesman. Back when he tried to build shit he went bankrupt multiple times and almost went under if not for a fat bank bailout. That's when he decided to just slap his name on everything and charge for that.

Yeah.
Salesman is a better description. But a very wily one with bankruptcy lawyers.

Just using the language Trump and Republicans would prefer.

[baseline bum]

Yeah.
Salesman is a better description. But a very wily one with bankruptcy lawyers.

Just using the language Trump and Republicans would prefer.

Well now we see why his businesses went under. This guy must have really been a nightmare when he had absolute power.

[boutons_deux]

LOL at large numbers of Dems unwilling to accept Trump as president.

Since Gingrigch ran the House 25 years ago, the Repugs have blatantly denied the very legitimacy of Dems, DO NOT ACCEPT DEMS as a party, so compromise, and even moderation, have been considered treason.

Moderate Repugs ARE NOT ACCEPTED as Repugs, and have been intimidated into silent conformity, or purged from the party.

Not accepting Trash as American Pres doesn't entail breaking any laws, or killing anybody, it's just an attitude.

Political dissent is protected speech but we know you Repugs agree only when the dissent is against Dems, while criminalizing dissent against Repugs.

[RandomGuy]

lol Keep dreaming

It's not that you should never discuss it but you use it at a shield. The magical non existent single payer plan that solves all issues. Fuck it's like the paulbots used to be with the magical gold standard that would fix all problems but they couldn't answer a single question about the specifics of how it would work.

Single payer resolves a lot of issues, and would be vastly more efficient than our current system.

LOL "we can't solve everything perfectly, so let's do nothing"

Intellectual bankruptcy.

No ideas, no solutions. Conservatism is a useless ideology, worse than communism.

[RandomGuy]

Well now we see why his businesses went under. This guy must have really been a nightmare when he had absolute power.

This is what, as auditors, we look for in a company.

"Tone at the top".

Surround yourself with syncophants, and you don't get negative feedback on things that aren't working. That vastly increases the potential for bad decisions.

Information flows into the decision making process are vital to evaluating leadership and capabilities.

By all accounts "short, with lots of pictures and the name "Trump" mentioned a lot" is more appropriate for a toddler than a president.

I never thought that Bush would seem competant, but leave it to the Republican party to find someone.

[Adam Lambert]

LOL at large numbers of Dems unwilling to accept Trump as president.

lol dems arent the ones still talking about hillary fucking clinton every day like its still election season.