So does Trumpcare pass the house?

[RandomGuy]

At this point the Republican's will try to throw anything together just to get votes, no matter how bad. I can see a bill that has directly opposing language of funding and defunding just to get something passed. The only goal now is pass anything.

Think so.

They might even (gasp) look to compromise with Democrats and actually do their jobs.

[baseline bum]

Think so.

They might even (gasp) look to compromise with Democrats and actually do their jobs.

Doubt it, in the off chance it happened that shit would get vetoed.

[ducks]

giving everything back to the state not federal is the way to go on medicade
graham bill suggestion is ok but have to know wording and other things about it
complain go to the governor

[ducks]

Think so.

They might even (gasp) look to compromise with Democrats and actually do their jobs.
the democrats did not with the current health bill

[boutons_deux]

Compromise with Dems admits the Dems exist, are legit opposition, so Repugs compromising is party treason

There is no way the Repugs pass a bill that removes healthcare from 10Ms. Even Repug voters support improving ACA rather than repeal. Trash's 30% base has been LIED into a blind canyon, they all will lose this war together.

Trash is a sicko LOSER in need of psychiatric medical care

[ducks]

Compromise with Dems admits the Dems exist, are legit opposition, so Repugs compromising is party treason

There is no way the Repugs pass a bill that removes healthcare from 10Ms. Even Repug voters support improving ACA rather than repeal. Trash's 30% base has been LIED into a blind canyon, they all will lost this war together.

Trash is a sicko LOSER in need of psychiatric medical careboutons_deuz in need of psychiatric medical care!!!!!

[Thread]

Putting band aids on this will do nothing but exacerbate the crisis. It is an untenable law.

Forget the recess, bring both chambers to bear and remain there until there is a law that is sustainable for all. & it will be extremely easy to recognize such a vehicle.

[RandomGuy]

the democrats did not with the current health bill

So what?

Most of the US was opposed to it. Should they have acted against the will of the people that elected them?

[boutons_deux]

Republican Lawmakers Warn Trump Not To Sabotage Obamacare

President Donald Trump has threatened to take things into his own hands.

“I hope the president will use his authority to extend those payments,” Sen. John Thune (R-TN), a member of the GOP leadership team, told reporters Monday night.

If Trump pulls the trigger and stops the payments, he added, Congress will “look at what our options are” to keep them coming.

Over in the House, moderates like Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) and conservatives like Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) have raised a similar alarm. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/top-republicans-tell-trump-make-obamacare-work-for-now/530538/)

A growing, bipartisan group of House members released a proposal (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-repeal-trump-congress-csrs) on Monday to

stabilize the individual market by having Congress appropriate the CSR money, guaranteeing stability by taking the decision out of Trump’s hands altogether.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-sabotage-trump-csrs?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

TRASH = LOSER! :lol

[boutons_deux]

Graham says GOP Senators are still taking orders from Trump on Obamacare repeal

“We are going to listen to President Trump.”

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has said it’s “time to move on,” but at least one Republican senator has other ideas.

“We’re not moving on. We’re going to listen to President Trump.

We’re going to get ‘er done,” :lol

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said on Fox & Friends Tuesday morning.

Graham, along with Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-LA), has proposed a plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act?—?which Graham says is the “best idea”?—?that would ultimately put health care in the hands of governors.

“How about this idea: Instead of trying to re-do Obamacare in Washington, why don’t you turn to the governors,” Graham said Tuesday.

“Take all the money you would spend in Washington on health care, block grant it back to the states and let them design health care systems closer to your family.” :lol

( TGB: those "block grants with no strings attached" would be red/slave state political slush funds)

“President Trump should take our subsidies away from us as members of Congress if we don’t deliver [on health care],” Graham said.

But Graham doesn’t get that subsidy, :lol as he admitted Tuesday morning. Quite the masochist!

“After 33 years in the military, I have health care through the military, but I will be punished,” he said. “Punish me in any way you think’s appropriate if I can’t fix your health care. You sent us up here, the American people, to repeal and replace Obamacare.”

Graham also said Tuesday morning that repealing Obamacare is “the end of single-payer health care,” despite the fact that Obamacare is not a single-payer system.

https://thinkprogress.org/graham-says-gop-senators-are-still-taking-orders-from-trump-on-obamacare-repeal-b4e8e180a5a7

The Old Lesbian From South Carolina is a fool.

[boutons_deux]

Male Republicans jeered their female counterparts who saved millions from health care calamity (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/28/1684993/-Male-Republicans-jeered-their-female-counterparts-who-saved-millions-from-calamity-on-health-care)

the Washington Post:

In the past week, Sen. Susan Collins (Maine) has been challenged by a male lawmaker to a duel (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/07/25/texas-rep-farenthold-says-he-would-challenge-female-gop-senators-to-a-duel-if-they-were-south-texas-men/?utm_term=.96240747616c).

She and Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) were told that they and others deserve a physical reprimand (http://time.com/4875702/buddy-carter-snatch-a-knot-in-their-ass-lisa-murkowski/) for their decisions not to support Republican health-care proposals.

Murkowski, who voted with Collins against starting the health-care debate this week, was specifically called out by President Trump on Twitter (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890168183079960576) and told (https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/07/26/trump-administration-signals-that-murkowskis-health-care-vote-could-have-energy-repercussions-for-alaska/)by a Cabinet official that Alaska could suffer for her choice, according to a colleague.

The language of retribution increasingly adopted by Republican men reflects Trump’s influence

and underscores the challenges GOP women can face when opposing the consensus of their party, which remains dominated by men, outside experts said.

A videotape of Trump surfaced during the campaign revealing him bragging (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?utm_term=.a69e01df932c) in vulgar terms about groping women, and some believed that opened the gates for further insults and degrading behavior toward women.


Let's not fool ourselves:

the GOP's War on Women didn't start with Trump.

The party's posture on everything from health care and contraception to child care and equal pay for equal work has been abhorrent for decades.

What the health care process revealed is just how entrenched and pervasive the GOP's misogyny really is

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/28/1684993/-Male-Republicans-jeered-their-female-counterparts-who-saved-millions-from-calamity-on-health-care?detail=emaildkre

Did any Repug announce a duel with white male McCain,

threaten to punish McCain's AZ, or

threaten to beat McCain physically?

[SnakeBoy]

Single payer resolves a lot of issues, and would be vastly more efficient than our current system.


:lol Sounds like a great plan, so detailed.

[RandomGuy]

:lol Sounds like a great plan, so detailed.

:lol Such a great criticism, so detailed.

Don't strain yourself.

[SnakeBoy]

:lol Such a great criticism, so detailed.

Don't strain yourself.

You want a detailed criticism of a non existent plan?

[RandomGuy]

You want a detailed criticism of a non existent plan?

I'm sorry, I missed the post where you requested a detailed plan. Care to point me to it?

[SnakeBoy]

I'm sorry, I missed the post where you requested a detailed plan. Care to point me to it?

I'd settle for a plan.


Why is it you always run to the single payer mantra when it isn't on the the table. There is no single payer plan, Democrats aren't giving you a single payer system.

[boutons_deux]

Senators Launch Bipartisan Effort to Shore Up Obamacare

Republicans on both sides of the Capitol scrambled Tuesday to defuse President Trump’s threat to cut off critical health insurance (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/health_insurance_and_managed_care/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) payments, moving around the president toward bipartisan legislation to shore up the Affordable Care Act.

will begin work in early September on legislation to “stabilize and strengthen the individual health insurance market” for 2018.

He publicly urged President Trump to continue paying subsidies to health insurance companies to offset poor customers’ out-of-pocket medical expenses as work proceeds.

followed just minutes later by a pledge from a bipartisan group of House members to cooperate on health care legislation of their own.

Mr. Alexander said it was important for Mr. Trump to approve the payments for August and September, and that Congress should “in a bipartisan way” approve a further continuation of the payments through 2018.

“Without payment of these cost-sharing reductions,” he said, “Americans will be hurt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/us/politics/senators-launch-bipartisan-effort-to-shore-up-obamacare.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

[Chris]

https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12036526_989321431090090_7622800374052007419_n.jpg ?oh=48d1629806b5f678ad544004dec4a7ec&oe=5A001374

Dear Mr. President:
During my shift in the Emergency Room last night, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient whose smile revealed an expensive
Shiny gold tooth, whose body was adorned with a wide assortment of elaborate and costly tattoos, who wore a very expensive
Brand of tennis shoes and who chatted on a new cellular telephone equipped with a popular R&B ringtone. While glancing over her
Patient chart, I happened to notice that her payer status was listed as "Medicaid"! During my examination of her, the patient informed
Me that she smokes more than one costly pack of cigarettes every day and somehow still has money to buy pretzels and beer.
And, you and our Congress expect me to pay for this woman's health care? I contend that our nation's "health care crisis" is not the
Result of a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. Rather, it is the result of a "crisis of culture", a culture in which it is perfectly
Acceptable to spend money on luxuries and vices while refusing to take care of one's self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance.
It is a culture based on the irresponsible credo that "I can do whatever I want to because someone else will always take care of me".
Once you fix this "culture crisis" that rewards irresponsibility and dependency, you'll be amazed at how quickly our nation's health care
Difficulties will disappear.

Respectfully,
STARNER JONES, MD

[Pavlov]

lol "fix" culture.

[rmt]

lol "fix" culture.

More like put work requirements on it and see how many able bodied people sign up then (when they're not getting it for free).

[Pavlov]

More like put work requirements on it and see how many able bodied people sign up then (when they're not getting it for free).So just let them die if they don't or can't?

Nice.

[rmt]

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) reportedly told President Trump that administrative action could be taken to allow organizations like trade groups to “band together” to buy insurance, The Hill reports.

“Well I just got off the phone with the president, and I think he and I both want to get something done,” Paul said on Monday. “What I’m talking to him about is that I think through executive action, I think he can legalize the health associations that I’ve been talking about.”

“I am calling publicly for what I’ve been working on privately for months: the Department of Labor should revise its rules to allow virtually any group to become a group for insurance purposes,” Paul said in an op-ed for The Hill.“From the Chamber of Commerce to the credit unions, from the NRA to the ACLU, from the Realtors to the Restaurant association, there are many groups who could almost immediately begin to offer insurance to their members,” Paul wrote. “Can you imagine if hundreds of thousands, if not MILLIONS, of Americans would leave the group or small business market and join together in a large, powerful organization?”

“The problems of the individual market would be over. Job-killing mandates and burdensome regulations on insurance would be unnecessary, because the consumer would have power over the big insurance companies.”

The conservative senator, who has been consistently opposed to Obamacare and Republican alternative plans he considers “Obamacare-lite,” would prefer groups like AARP could come together with the Chamber of Commerce to buy health insurance and negotiate for lower costs.

“Can you imagine the leverage you would get for drug prices and insurance prices if you were negotiating for 5 million people?” Paul of his proposal. “If you could legalize that, not only could it fix some of the problems that we are encountering in the individual market, there’s 28 million people without insurance because it’s too expensive,” he continued. “What if we forced the price down enough?”

Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price has said that HHS is open to seeking administrative action to make the changes needed in order to allow such competition.

Paul has consistently argued that the free market is best suited to lower healthcare costs, noting that Obamacare has done the opposite.

“The fundamental problem with Obamacare is this, you add regulations or mandates to insurance […] they cost money,” Paul said last month. “When you add these insurance mandates as Obamacare did, it chases the young health people out of the market.”

“Prices always go up under a monopoly,” he stated. “As a physician, I can tell you this: insurance was bad before ObamaCare. Why? Because the power was too often on the side of Big Insurance.”

“I want to turn that on its head as we debate repeal. We can include something like this association plan in what moves through Congress – and we should.”

Paul, whose tense relationship with the Trump dates back to the primaries, says that the president agrees with him.

“I know for a fact President Trump agrees with this – he has told me so often and has directed his Department of Labor to work with me to get this done. But the time is now to act,” he declared.

http://rare.us/rare-politics/issues/obamacare-rare-politics/rand-paul-says-president-trump-might-take-an-executive-action-on-health-care-that-could-help-millions/

[Pavlov]

I can already imagine a group of about 55 million.

[rmt]

So just let them die if they don't or can't?

Nice.

Can't - I'm talking about able-bodied individuals - not the disabled or children. Why can't they work? If they DON'T - don't you mean WON'T - why, because we just hand it to them free? Doesn't this sound like we need illegals to do the work that Americans WON'T do - why won't they do it? Because we give them welfare and they don't need to.

[Pavlov]

Can't - I'm talking about able-bodied individuals - not the disabled or children. Why can't they work? If they DON'T - don't you mean WON'T - why, because we just hand it to them free? Doesn't this sound like we need illegals to do the work that Americans WON'T do - why won't they do it? Because we give them welfare and they don't need to.
Most of the time the people hiring don't want to pay a rate market forces would dictate.

[leemajors]

free markets always sort themselves out!

[Th'Pusher]

Can't - I'm talking about able-bodied individuals - not the disabled or children. Why can't they work? If they DON'T - don't you mean WON'T - why, because we just hand it to them free? Doesn't this sound like we need illegals to do the work that Americans WON'T do - why won't they do it? Because we give them welfare and they don't need to.

how long was your husband unemployed? Why didn't he go pick fruit instead of collecting unemployment?

[rmt]

how long was your husband unemployed? Why didn't he go pick fruit instead of collecting unemployment?

He was unemployed for 5 months, and we have enough set aside to tide us over. I had to push him to collect unemployment since he had never in his working years collected but the break was longer than usual. Are you really comparing collecting unemployment benefits for 14 weeks to able bodied people on Medicaid indefinitely (or as long as ACA is law or forever if these spineless Repubs don't phase it out) or welfare (food stamps, subsidized housing, etc)? Unemployment benefits are for a LIMITED time - shorter for us (I guess) because it took me awhile to convince him to apply.

[boutons_deux]

Court Ruling Throws A Wrench In Trump’s Obamacare Sabotage Plan

States have standing to fight a lawsuit threatening billions in funding for health insurers, an appeals court said.

attorneys general from 17 states and the District of Columbia may pursue the Trump administration’s stalled appeal of a lawsuit alleging the federal government has been making these payments illegally.

The court agreed with the state officials that there’s reason to believe the Trump administration isn’t adequately acting on behalf of states. The Trump administration and House Republicans opposed the states’ effort.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/court-trump-obamacare-sabotage_us_598128c6e4b09d24e993d470?utm_medium=em ail&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__080217&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__080217+CID_85c7604a ec3e96566061ec6feb1cfa43&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=HuffPost&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__080217

[boutons_deux]

rmt, give some hard numbers on how many of your hated, detested "able bodied" people on public assistance refuse to work or look for jobs, and better, how many are white or black?

btw, if Fed min wage was $15 - $20 / hour, the payouts in public assistance would be shifted to employers and their poverty-wage businesses that are now subsidized by taxpayers

[boutons_deux]

Do ‘common welfare programs’ pay the equivalent of a $20.83-per-hour job?

http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2015/feb/01/rhode-island-center-freedom-and-prosperity/do-common-welfare-programs-pay-equivalent-2083-hou/

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm sorry, I missed the post where you requested a detailed plan. Care to point me to it?

What's offered with no evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Et Tu, Brutus?

[TeyshaBlue]

Just yanking yer chain, RG. :lol. You know I'm a single payer guy.

[pgardn]

He was unemployed for 5 months, and we have enough set aside to tide us over. I had to push him to collect unemployment since he had never in his working years collected but the break was longer than usual. Are you really comparing collecting unemployment benefits for 14 weeks to able bodied people on Medicaid indefinitely (or as long as ACA is law or forever if these spineless Repubs don't phase it out) or welfare (food stamps, subsidized housing, etc)? Unemployment benefits are for a LIMITED time - shorter for us (I guess) because it took me awhile to convince him to apply.

When you have relied on the government for help you crossed the Republican line.
You had to push him? Why did you do that?

I have never had a government handout like that, ever.
Shame.

Yours truly,
Basic Republican Principle.
(conveniently forgetting corporate handouts in the form of taxes)

[boutons_deux]

an oligarchy paymaster is pissed

Republican donor sues GOP for fraud over ObamaCare repeal failure

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/345364-republican-donor-sues-gop-for-fraud-over-obamacare-repeal

[rmt]

When you have relied on the government for help you crossed the Republican line.
You had to push him? Why did you do that?

I have never had a government handout like that, ever.
Shame.

Yours truly,
Basic Republican Principle.
(conveniently forgetting corporate handouts in the form of taxes)

Well, your first mistake is in thinking that I'm following any Republican principle. I'm sorry to disappoint but I follow my God, my husband and my common sense. It would be foolish of me to leave money on the table that is legally available to my family especially when there's no income coming in. Do you think we would have survived all these years on one income if I didn't take advantage of what is available to me? This is not an ethical thing - unemployment is supposed to be used to tide you over while unemployed. It is a temporary thing and was used appropriately. Any attempt to shame me into guilt goes way over my head - it's like I'm not supposed to take as many deductions as possible and pay as little taxes as legally possible.

BTW, school supplies tax weekend at Walmart was a madhouse. Very strange this year - filler paper is expensive this year (compared to the past). Things are not as cheap but very pretty - lots of gorgeous color choices in binders, duo tangs and composition books.

[rmt]

rmt, give some hard numbers on how many of your hated, detested "able bodied" people on public assistance refuse to work or look for jobs, and better, how many are white or black?

btw, if Fed min wage was $15 - $20 / hour, the payouts in public assistance would be shifted to employers and their poverty-wage businesses that are now subsidized by taxpayers

boutons, why does it matter whether they are black or white? "about 8 million are adults who could be subject to the work requirement yet aren't working or looking for work, according to Health Affairs Blog. Another 3 million aren't working but are searching for a job" - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/work-requirement-for-medicaid-helpful-or-harmful/ Seems like Maine, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Indiana are requesting/moving toward work requirements for Medicaid.

Now, you're going to $20/hr min wage. If this happens, businesses will hire less. Instead of having a job earning $x, some would have no job at all.

[boutons_deux]

"8 million are adults who could be subject to the work requirement yet aren't working or looking for work"

proof?

"$20/hr min wage. If this happens, businesses will hire less"

If you weren't so ignorant of the LONG, deeply studied history of Fed min wage hikes, you wouldn't spew such crap.

a current example

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/2/1686374/-SeaTac-s-15-minimum-wage-isn-t-getting-in-the-way-of-a-boom-in-new-hotels

[rmt]

"8 million are adults who could be subject to the work requirement yet aren't working or looking for work"

proof?

"$20/hr min wage. If this happens, businesses will hire less"

If you weren't so ignorant of the LONG, deeply studied history of Fed min wage hikes, you wouldn't spew such crap.

a current example

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/2/1686374/-SeaTac-s-15-minimum-wage-isn-t-getting-in-the-way-of-a-boom-in-new-hotels




bou, I gave the CBSnews link that I took the quote from.

Here's a fivethirtyeight article on Seattle's minimum wage hike may have gone too far:

New research released Monday by a team of economists at the University of Washington suggests the wage hike may have come at a significant cost: The increase led to steep declines in employment for low-wage workers, and a drop in hours for those who kept their jobs. Crucially, the negative impact of lost jobs and hours more than offset the benefits of higher wages — on average, low-wage workers earned $125 per month less because of the higher wage, a small but significant decline.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/seattles-minimum-wage-hike-may-have-gone-too-far/

[boutons_deux]

If employers used less employees and paid less hours, what were the former employees and more hours accomplishing?

iow, "I'll hire you for poverty wages, but I can do without you when poverty wages pay a bit more"

taxpayers pay $Bs every year to Walmart's poverty wages employees, when Walmart's gross profit is $100B+ / year.

[boutons_deux]

McConnell makes Senate Democrats an Obamacare offer they have to refuse (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/8/1687822/-McConnell-makes-Senate-Democrats-an-Obamacare-offer-they-have-to-refuse)

"If the Democrats are willing to support some real reforms rather than just an insurance company bailout, I would be willing to take a look at it," McConnell said,

Number one, it's not a bailout (https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/8/7/1687620/-About-those-insurance-company-bailouts-Trump-keeps-threatening-to-yank-he-s-lying-about-them). The law requires that insurance companies provide subsidized rates to certain customers so they can afford the out-of-pocket expenses in their plans.

Number two, those "real reforms" he's talking about is getting "Democrats to agree to

make it easier for states to choose their own health coverage standards that insurers must provide

rather than abiding by former President Barack Obama’s law."

Meaning, basically the protections that everyone across the country gets in their health insurance policies

would end for people in red states.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/8/1687822/-McConnell-makes-Senate-Democrats-an-Obamacare-offer-they-have-to-refuse

[ducks]

6.5 million pay fine to avoid Obamacare...

[RandomGuy]

Trump hits back at McConnell for 'excessive expectations' complaint


WASHINGTON — President Trump pushed back against Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s recent comments that he has “excessive expectations” for Congress, as tensions between the Republican president and the majority leader escalate over the long August recess.

“Senator Mitch McConnell said I had ‘excessive expectations,’ but I don’t think so,” Trump tweeted Wednesday afternoon. “After 7 years of hearing Repeal & Replace, why not done?”

McConnell said Monday Trump was creating a false impression that Senate Republicans are not effective because he’s a political novice. “Our new president, of course, has not been in this line of work before,” McConnell told a small group in Florence, Ky., this week. “And I think he had excessive expectations about how quickly things happen in the democratic process.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/excuses-white-house-aide-fox-hosts-hit-mcconnell-trump-complaint-173931504.html

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[RandomGuy]

Conservative commentators took a far sharper tone on McConnell than the president.

Sean Hannity, a Fox News host who is friends with the president, tweeted Tuesday night that McConnell was a “WEAK, SPINELESS leader” who should retire.

Lou Dobbs, a Fox Business host, dedicated a whole segment Wednesday to McConnell’s comments, blasting a graphic on the screen that read “Ditch Mitch” in giant letters.

“He isn’t worth a doggone as I can see,” Dobbs said. “That’s what we got in the swamp, folks.”

A McConnell spokesman declined to comment on the blowback.

https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5606870/il_570xN.81484851.jpg


:lmao

[boutons_deux]

... in the democratic process.

says a prick from the rigged, non-proportional, anti-democratic Senate, and who is a total whore to the oligarchy, while ignoring the preferences of his voters.

[RandomGuy]

bou, I gave the CBSnews link that I took the quote from.

Here's a fivethirtyeight article on Seattle's minimum wage hike may have gone too far:

New research released Monday by a team of economists at the University of Washington suggests the wage hike may have come at a significant cost: The increase led to steep declines in employment for low-wage workers, and a drop in hours for those who kept their jobs. Crucially, the negative impact of lost jobs and hours more than offset the benefits of higher wages — on average, low-wage workers earned $125 per month less because of the higher wage, a small but significant decline.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/seattles-minimum-wage-hike-may-have-gone-too-far/


The paper’s findings are preliminary and have not yet been subjected to peer review. And the authors stressed that even if their results hold up, their research leaves important questions unanswered, particularly about how the minimum wage has affected individual workers and businesses. The paper does not, for example, address whether displaced workers might have found jobs in other cities or with companies such as Uber that are not included in their data.

[TeyshaBlue]

Jobs with Uber? :lmao

[AaronY]

$15 minimum wage is fucking retarded. That's why I can't stand Bernie and the rest of the Bernie Bros tbh. Would rather just have a standard Democrat like Biden who wouldn't go crazy left wing

[AaronY]

#fightforfifteen

smmLfwU5W-4

[spurraider21]

$15 minimum wage is fucking retarded. That's why I can't stand Bernie and the rest of the Bernie Bros tbh. Would rather just have a standard Democrat like Biden who wouldn't go crazy left wing
There's no way it would pass through congress anyway, which is why I wasn't as worried about some of his nutty proposals.

[AaronY]

How about that guy in the video whose job it is to watch the robot flip burgers. Must spend probably 99% of his day considering the viability of suicide

[baseline bum]

$15 minimum wage is fucking retarded. That's why I can't stand Bernie and the rest of the Bernie Bros tbh. Would rather just have a standard Democrat like Biden who wouldn't go crazy left wing

$15 minimum wage is the stupidest fucking thing I have heard the last few years. It needs to come up some but god, more than doubling it? At least not as stupid as when boutons was trying to argue for like a $23/hr minimum wage months ago.

[boutons_deux]

boutons was trying to argue for like a $23/hr minimum wage months ago.

You Lie

$25 by 2025, indexed to inflation

[spurraider21]

$15 minimum wage is the stupidest fucking thing I have heard the last few years. It needs to come up some but god, more than doubling it? At least not as stupid as when boutons was trying to argue for like a $23/hr minimum wage months ago.
25 tbh

[baseline bum]

You Lie

$25 by 2025, indexed to inflation

You lie. I remember you wanting that shit enacted by around 2020.

[AaronY]

You Lie

$25 by 2025, indexed to inflation
So $25 an hour *2080 (40*52) = $52k a year to bus tables or flip burgers seems plausible :lol

Shit'll be like the Jetsons..robots everywhere

[AaronY]

$52k a year to flip burgers :lmao

Flap your moonbat wings and promptly fly the fuck outta here with that shit boo lol

[baseline bum]

So $25 an hour *2080 (40*52) = $52k a year to bus tables or flip burgers seems plausible :lol

Shit'll be like the Jetsons..robots everywhere

Muh free college was the most annoying thing about Bernie's campaign. Even worse when Clinton started repeating it.

[Spurminator]

$15/hour federal minimum wage is such elitist coastal lunacy and really bolsters the feeling that liberals don't know anything about rural America. Every city with a population under 100K would completely crumble under that plan. There have to be regional considerations to what a fair living wage amounts to.

[spurraider21]

$15/hour federal minimum wage is such elitist coastal lunacy and really bolsters the feeling that liberals don't know anything about rural America. Every city with a population under 100K would completely crumble under that plan. There have to be regional considerations to what a fair living wage amounts to.
Yep. Same issue with state wide min wages. Regional differences are lost

[AaronY]

Muh free college was the most annoying thing about Bernie's campaign. Even worse when Clinton started repeating it.

I remember you referred to it as Santa Claus bullshit at the time which I loved. If I was Biden and I got up on stage with him I would just refer to him as Santa Claus the whole time. Like I would ask the moderator "is Santa Claus done talking yet? Because I want to return to reality"

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Muh free college was the most annoying thing about Bernie's campaign. Even worse when Clinton started repeating it.

I just think it's funny that your argument boils down to since you didn't get it nobody should

[baseline bum]

I just think it's funny that your argument boils down to since you didn't get it nobody should

Yeah that's it

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah that's it

I just call it like I see it.

[baseline bum]

I just call it like I see it.

My problem with free college is it would be a ridiculous waste of money since in this country practically everyone short of juvenile criminals can get into a college after high school. It would be throwing good money after lots of bad students; not everyone can be an astronaut. I'd be good with it if it was merit based so that you had to earn your slot in state sponsored higher education. I'd rather put that balance of money wasted on people who'd have no business in college into secondary schools for vocational training to kids not capable of handling a rigorous college prep sequence in high school. Our high schools are great for the top students with really difficult AP and dual credit courses, but it's perverse that the students who aren't college material get nothing useful other than babysitting out of their expensive high school careers.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My problem with free college is it would be a ridiculous waste of money since in this country practically everyone short of juvenile criminals can get into a college after high school. It would be throwing good money after lots of bad students; not everyone can be an astronaut. I'd be good with it if it was merit based so that you had to earn your slot in state sponsored higher education. I'd rather put that balance of money wasted on people who'd have no business in college into secondary schools for vocational training to kids not capable of handling a rigorous college prep sequence in high school. Our high schools are great for the top students with really difficult AP and dual credit courses, but it's perverse that the students who aren't college material get nothing useful other than babysitting out of their expensive high school careers.

Who said anything about removing entrance requirements. That being said if the dumb and uneducated want to better themselves at vocational schools or community colleges that is a benefit to society as well. I don't see why that should be excluded.

[RandomGuy]

$15 minimum wage is fucking retarded. That's why I can't stand Bernie and the rest of the Bernie Bros tbh. Would rather just have a standard Democrat like Biden who wouldn't go crazy left wing

Democrats have been pushing for an increase in the minimum wage for decades.

[RandomGuy]

My problem with free college is it would be a ridiculous waste of money since in this country practically everyone short of juvenile criminals can get into a college after high school. It would be throwing good money after lots of bad students; not everyone can be an astronaut. I'd be good with it if it was merit based so that you had to earn your slot in state sponsored higher education. I'd rather put that balance of money wasted on people who'd have no business in college into secondary schools for vocational training to kids not capable of handling a rigorous college prep sequence in high school. Our high schools are great for the top students with really difficult AP and dual credit courses, but it's perverse that the students who aren't college material get nothing useful other than babysitting out of their expensive high school careers.

I mostly agree.

College should cost less, though, because the debt required to get through college is crippling a lot of people's ability to save.

We should do both.

Germany's Mittelstand (small businesses) offer a lot of apprenticeships and so forth that make them pretty darn competitive, although workers and management in that country tend to work together a lot more than in the US. US small manufacturers are saying they can't find people to fill jobs.

[boutons_deux]

Trump steps up attacks on McConnell for failure on health-care reform

President Trump stepped up his criticism of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Thursday for not muscling through a health-care bill, escalating an extraordinary fight with a key leader of his own party.

“Can you believe that Mitch McConnell, who has screamed Repeal & Replace for 7 years, couldn’t get it done,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Must Repeal & Replace ObamaCare!”

Trump’s morning tweet was his second in 24 hours targeting McConnell for remarks the Kentucky Republican made earlier in the week suggesting that Trump’s lack of political experience had led to“excessive expectations” for passing major legislation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-steps-up-attacks-on-mcconnell-for-failure-on-health-care-reform/2017/08/10/a3d49d1e-7dbf-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?undefined=&utm_term=.67904fdf6754&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Trash making friends with the Senators who will vote to convict him.

[Thread]

Trump steps up attacks on McConnell for failure on health-care reform

President Trump stepped up his criticism of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Thursday for not muscling through a health-care bill, escalating an extraordinary fight with a key leader of his own party.

“Can you believe that Mitch McConnell, who has screamed Repeal & Replace for 7 years, couldn’t get it done,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Must Repeal & Replace ObamaCare!”

Trump’s morning tweet was his second in 24 hours targeting McConnell for remarks the Kentucky Republican made earlier in the week suggesting that Trump’s lack of political experience had led to“excessive expectations” for passing major legislation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-steps-up-attacks-on-mcconnell-for-failure-on-health-care-reform/2017/08/10/a3d49d1e-7dbf-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?undefined=&utm_term=.67904fdf6754&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Trash making friends with the Senators who will vote to convict him.




Absolutely. Mitch is on the hook for this. 7 years they screamed repeal. But, c'mon, EVERYBODY knows it was for show. But, they never fathomed that Trump would be sitting there instead of Hillary. Now Trump's rump is sitting on Mitch's feet which are stuck in the fire. And you know what else? Trump knows precisely where the bear shit in the buckwheat. Trump has no truck with Mitch, or, any of those humps. What's more:::Trump knows it. "Fuck them." Trump states. "They'd no sooner let me in the front door as the man in the moon."

[Thread]

895702573453156352 (https://twitter.com/Cub_Castleberry/status/895702573453156352)

[boutons_deux]

TRASH = LOSER, and SICKO

[Adam Lambert]

895702573453156352 (https://twitter.com/Cub_Castleberry/status/895702573453156352)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHqY4gXWcAEJe9a.png

[Thread]

TRASH = LOSER, and SICKO

He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

[RandomGuy]

Absolutely. Mitch is on the hook for this. 7 years they screamed repeal. But, c'mon, EVERYBODY knows it was for show.

Not everybody. GOP rank and file genuinely believed this, because that is what Fox "news" told them to believe.

Once it snowballed, once millions of people suddenly had health insurance, the lies of the right snowballed. They had chosen to die on that hill and rallied the base around them. That base is now uneasy.

I wonder if/when the GOP rank and file will realize how much they were lied to, or if they even can anymore in the fact-free Fox-"news" bubble.

[Thread]

Not everybody. GOP rank and file genuinely believed this, because that is what Fox "news" told them to believe.

Once it snowballed, once millions of people suddenly had health insurance, the lies of the right snowballed. They had chosen to die on that hill and rallied the base around them. That base is now uneasy.

I wonder if/when the GOP rank and file will realize how much they were lied to, or if they even can anymore in the fact-free Fox-"news" bubble.

Absolutely. This fool was right there believing it. & I didn't need FOX to tell me to believe. I was happy to believe it on face value. You'd hear the rumors that it was just because they knew Zero wouldn't sign it, but, I cascaded over that warning without so much as a glance in it's direction.

But, that's got absolutely nothing to do with Trump having them at his advantage over this. He's gonna put the screws to 'em. Ain't a damn thing they can do about it except repeal it, or, impeach him.

How much you wanna bet they'll have nothing to do with the former & are famished for the meal to come at the latter?

[baseline bum]

But, that's got absolutely nothing to do with Trump having them at his advantage over this. He's gonna put the screws to 'em. Ain't a damn thing they can do about it except repeal it, or, impeach him.


Congress isn't scared of the Dear Leader. McConnell basically told Trump to go fuck himself by holding that vote when he didn't have McCain as a yes, since that formal vote ensured the skinny repeal could be the only spending bill for the fiscal year that could be brought up for a reconciliation vote. And honestly, McCain probably cast that vote as a cover for at least one of Graham, Portman, Capito, and Heller in addition to getting right with a God who hates Trumpcare.

Plus Trump is such a cuck. He's not pushing for the health care reform he ran on last year. He's pushing the bill that Paul Ryan wrote because Priebus told him it was good.

[Thread]

Congress isn't scared of the Dear Leader. McConnell basically told Trump to go fuck himself by holding that vote when he didn't have McCain as a yes, since that formal vote ensured the skinny repeal could be the only spending bill for the fiscal year that could be brought up for a reconciliation vote. And honestly, McCain probably cast that vote as a cover for at least one of Graham, Portman, Capito, and Heller in addition to getting right with a God who hates Trumpcare.

Plus Trump is such a cuck. He's not pushing for the health care reform he ran on last year. He's pushing the bill that Paul Ryan wrote because Priebus told him it was good.

Absolutely. The rub here, bum,,,is that Trump don't give a shit either. That's why he lit their asses up.

He's got nary to lose. What's more? Everybody and their sister knows it.

[baseline bum]

Absolutely. The rub here, bum,,,is that Trump don't give a shit either. That's why he lit their asses up.

He's got nary to lose. What's more? Everybody and their sister knows it.

But why is Trump such a cuck on healthcare? Instead of the healthcare reform he ran on he's arguing for Paul Ryan's bill because Priebus told him to.

[Thread]

But why is Trump such a cuck on healthcare? Instead of the healthcare reform he ran on he's arguing for Paul Ryan's bill because Priebus told him to.

What left field does this materiel come from?

[baseline bum]

What left field does this materiel come from?

Well there was Ryan writing the AHCA and McConnell's BCRA being basically the same bullshit. Priebus was the one who was pushing this bullshit bill hard and he went down when it failed.

[Thread]

Well there was Ryan writing the AHCA and McConnell's BCRA being basically the same bullshit. Priebus was the one who was pushing this bullshit bill hard and he went down when it failed.

I'm still waiting on the Priebus information.

Chop/chop.

[boutons_deux]

Mitch McConnell Just Broke His Silence On Trump’s Twitter Bullying Attack On Him

McConnell has been largely silent as the attacks roll in, but today he responded.

CNN’s Manu Raju says that several reporters asked McConnell to comment on Trump’s tweets.

McConnell said he was “disappointed” before proceeding silently to his office.


(https://twitter.com/mkraju)
Manu Raju (https://twitter.com/mkraju)
(https://twitter.com/mkraju)✔@mkraju (https://twitter.com/mkraju)

McConnell refuses to comment on Trump saying he's disappointed in him and about president's attacks. Walks in silence back to his office

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/08/11/mitch-mcconnell-just-broke-silence-trumps-twitter-bullying-attack/

Bitch McC, which way will you vote when the Repug Haus passes you the articles of impeachment? :lol

[Thread]

Mitch McConnell Just Broke His Silence On Trump’s Twitter Bullying Attack On Him

McConnell has been largely silent as the attacks roll in, but today he responded.

CNN’s Manu Raju says that several reporters asked McConnell to comment on Trump’s tweets.

McConnell said he was “disappointed” before proceeding silently to his office.


(https://twitter.com/mkraju)
Manu Raju (https://twitter.com/mkraju)
(https://twitter.com/mkraju)✔@mkraju (https://twitter.com/mkraju)

McConnell refuses to comment on Trump saying he's disappointed in him and about president's attacks. Walks in silence back to his office

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/08/11/mitch-mcconnell-just-broke-silence-trumps-twitter-bullying-attack/

Bitch McC, which way will you vote when the Repug Haus passes you the articles of impeachment? :lol








Of course Mitch will vote for impeachment. ANYTHING to get back to the status quo. Trump knows this without being told. He has no friends there. They, THEY are friends with one another, both sides of the aisle, both Houses of Congress. (They) are in league together. Nothing, NOTHING will get passed until Trump is out of there. Then, THEN they'll toss us some crumbs as they sew the interruption that WAS Trump's time in office. Media will spear head, will sheep herd this most dangerous time in our country since the Civil War. And by God they'll/Media will be more than up the task. You know that 60 million of Trump's base? They'll have the lion's share of them turned over in short order. That will be killing ground. Once they "pay" them off we'll be back to 7 November 2016 like he never mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

Trump President. Not Clinton.

[boutons_deux]

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/598dd55019b7717e06731df9/master/w_1626,c_limit/DC081117.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Not Out Of The Woods Yet: 5 Looming Threats To Obamacare And Medicaid

https://dawm7kda6y2v0.cloudfront.net/uploads/2017/08/[email protected]

HHS Silence On Obamacare Enrollment Efforts

“This market needs a healthy risk pool,” she explained, noting that sick people don’t need to be convinced to sign up for insurance but a pool only comprised of those people would be unstable and prohibitively expensive. “If the administration is suppressing open enrollment activities, that alone is cause for great concern.”

Trump Keeps Subsidies In Limbo

“The looming ax hanging over the CSRs is very worrisome,” said Sarah Somers, a managing attorney at the National Health Law Program. “It spooks insurers and creates instability. This is no way to run a private insurance market.”

If Trump does cut off the payments, and if Congress is unable to pass a bill this fall (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/csrs-obamacare-subsidies-alexander-congress) to fund them, experts predict that insurers will flee or hike their premiums sky high to make up for the lost funding.

Shrinking The Medicaid Expansion

Medicaid proved far more popular and resilient than Republicans anticipated, but threats from state governments and HHS remain.

A crucial decision could come soon on a Medicaid waiver request from Arkansas (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/10/16127264/voxcare-waiver-really-big-deal-medicaid) that, if approved, could allow states across the country to boot hundreds of thousands of people from the Medicaid rolls. The waiver asks permission to roll back the state’s Medicaid expansion population from 138 percent of the federal poverty line to 100 percent,

kicking about 60,000 (https://www.healthinsurance.org/arkansas-medicaid/) people out of the program.

Here Come The Medicaid Waivers

In addition to Arkansas’ petition, a host of Medicaid waivers (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/medicaid-waivers-trump-hhs) from other states awaiting approval from HHS have the potential to severely restrict the federal program.

At least five states so far are asking permission to impose a work requirement on their Medicaid systems, despite research indicating that the vast majority of Medicaid beneficiaries do work and those who do not face serious barriers to employment.

Republicans In Congress Can’t Stop, Won’t Stop

The GOP’s long-term goals of repealing Obamacare and gutting Medicaid—House Speaker Paul Ryan’s personal dream since his frat boy days (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/20/paul-ryan-has-wanted-to-reform-medicaid-since-his-frat-days.html)—is far from dead, and will continue to lurk in undead zombie fashion (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/zombie-obamacare-repeal-senate-2018) until a political opportunity presents itself.

“Congressional plans to kill the Medicaid expansion,

block-grant traditional Medicaid,

impose per capita caps,

etc. are over for now, but could change in a moment,”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-medicaid-hhs-trump-threats?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

Destroying both Medicare and Medicaid is Paul Ryan's UnHoly Grail in his spineless, black-hearted so-called Catholic life

Paul Ryan says he has wanted to reform Medicaid since he was 'drinking at a keg'

So Medicaid, sending it back to the states, capping its growth rate, we've been dreaming of this since I've been around —

since you and I were drinking at a keg. ...

I've been thinking about this stuff for a long time," Ryan said.

"We're on the cusp of doing something we've long believed in."

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/20/paul-ryan-has-wanted-to-reform-medicaid-since-his-frat-days.html

[Spurminator]

Congratulations to Donald Trump for expanding Obamacare into all counties.
:cheer :cheer

900783051202060288

[boutons_deux]

Thanks Colbert

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFEXxcvXsAETXO0.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Insiders Just Revealed Republican Plan to Hold Children’s Healthcare Hostage For Tax Cuts

The Wall Street Journal is reporting today that: (https://www.wsj.com/articles/pressure-grows-to-fund-childrens-health-program-1504034320)





“Republicans are looking to possibly attach a repeal of Affordable Care Act taxes—

including levies on certain health insurance plans and medical devices—

to a CHIP reauthorization bill, people familiar with the thinking said.”


The Republican Party, it appears, is gearing up for a game of chicken, and

they’re prepared to trap 8 million children are in the car with them,

just to cut taxes that will benefit the wealthy. (http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/341420-repealing-obamacare-has-always-been-about-tax-cuts-for-the-rich)

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/08/30/insiders-just-revealed-republican-plan-hold-childrens-healthcare-hostage-tax-cuts/

[boutons_deux]

Trump to slash ObamaCare outreach funding

Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) officials announced on a call with reporters Thursday that funding for advertising and other outreach for ObamaCare enrollment will be cut from $100 million last year to $10 million this year.

“A health-care system that has caused premiums to double and left nearly half of our counties with only one coverage option is not working,"

:lol fucking lying bitch, if she is talking specifically about ACA :lol

Officials also announced they are cutting funding for "navigators," which are outside organizations that help sign people up. Funding will be proportional to how navigators have fared in hitting their enrollment target the previous year. If a group signed up 70 percent of their target, they will get 70 percent of the funding.

An HHS official said this system means navigators will be "held accountable." :lol be very afraid! Strict Father gonna getcha

The reduction in spending on the navigators is a 41 percent cut, down to $36.8 million, HHS said.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/348763-trump-administration-to-slash-obamacare-outreach-funding

[boutons_deux]

Trump Ramps Up Obamacare Sabotage With Huge Cuts To Enrollment Programs

Advertising and promotional budget for HealthCare.gov has been slashed by 90 percent and programs to help people sign up also face a nearly 40 percent cut

Weakening the two most important tools

the federal government has to promote enrollment on the state-based exchanges ― 39 of which (http://www.kff.org/health-reform/state-indicator/state-decisions-for-creating-health-insurance-exchanges-and-expanding-medicaid/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D) are run wholly or mainly by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services

Less awareness of the open enrollment period running from Nov. 1 to Dec. 15, combined with less help from

community organizations, which have assisted more than 9 million enrollees with sign-ups

since the autumn of 2013, will likely result in fewer people being covered by health insurance obtained via the federally operated exchanges accessed on HealthCare.gov (https://www.healthcare.gov/).

Trump himself repeatedly has said (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obamacare-fail_us_596e8073e4b0000eb196a4c4) he wants to let or make the health insurance exchanges collapse, and

his administration has taken a number of actions to destabilize them.

The current administration also cut the open enrollment period for next year to half its length from last year,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obamacare-sabotage-enrollment-cuts_us_59a87bffe4b0b5e530fd5751?ncid=inblnkushpmg 00000009&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__090117&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__090117+CID_62e414e0 d55b2a03a6a8de3e694ee803&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=slashed%20by%2090%20percent&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__090117

Fuck Trash, Fuck Price, Fuck Repugs, all of whom FUCK America and Americans at every opportunity.

[boutons_deux]

This quote from Wyoming's Governor is a stunner. (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/29/1694407/-This-quote-from-Wyoming-s-Governor-is-a-stunner)

As health care debate simmers, Mead laments lack of Medicaid expansion in Wyoming

Gov. Matt Mead lamented the $100 million that Wyoming left on the table by choosing not to expand Medicaid, and he expressed concern for the state’s hospitals while discussing health care with the Star-Tribune recently.

Mead echoed some of the fears that many Wyoming hospital officials have expressed for months: that congressional proposals to overhaul the health care system may have negative effects on facilities here and that the state has suffered because it chose not to allow more people to qualify for Medicaid.

“The idea that we did not accept Medicaid expansion and things are going to be good just hasn’t turned out,” he said.

He said that because the state didn’t expand Medicaid — a proposal he supported in the past — Wyoming has missed out on $100 million a year in federal aid. He added that in Wyoming, the program is currently facing a $20 million deficit.

“The ACA, there’s certainly some room for improvement,” he continued. “But to throw it out just because it’s the ACA, I don’t think that’s a good idea.”
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/29/1694407/-This-quote-from-Wyoming-s-Governor-is-a-stunner?detail=emaildkre

Trash + Repugs wanting to kill Obamacare just because it's from Obama, nothing but pure spite, just like Trash killing DACA

[boutons_deux]

What happens when you cut Obamacare advertising? Let’s ask Kentucky.

Kentucky provides a great test case for what happens when an administration cuts back on outreach.

Beshear left office and a stalwart anti-Obamacare Republican, Matt Bevin, became governor. He abruptly cut off any state funding for Obamacare advertising, leading to four weeks of enrollment without any ad support.



450,000 fewer page views per week on the website for the state Obamacare marketplace without TV advertising;
20,000 fewer unique visitors per week to the website without TV advertising; and
no notable change in calls to the marketplace's call center.


"Our analysis tells us that

state-sponsored television advertising was a substantial driver of information-seeking behavior in Kentucky during open enrollment ––

a critical step to getting consumers to shop for plans, understand their eligibility for premium tax credits or Medicaid, and enroll in coverage."

https://www.vox.com/health-care/2017/9/5/16257046/voxcare-kentucky-outreach-obamacare-advertising

Maybe Medicins Sans Frontieres or the WHO should visit third-world KY.

[ducks]

so stop advertising means you are a third world country
LOL ask mexico

[RandomGuy]

This quote from Wyoming's Governor is a stunner. (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/29/1694407/-This-quote-from-Wyoming-s-Governor-is-a-stunner)

As health care debate simmers, Mead laments lack of Medicaid expansion in Wyoming

Gov. Matt Mead lamented the $100 million that Wyoming left on the table by choosing not to expand Medicaid, and he expressed concern for the state’s hospitals while discussing health care with the Star-Tribune recently.

Mead echoed some of the fears that many Wyoming hospital officials have expressed for months: that congressional proposals to overhaul the health care system may have negative effects on facilities here and that the state has suffered because it chose not to allow more people to qualify for Medicaid.

“The idea that we did not accept Medicaid expansion and things are going to be good just hasn’t turned out,” he said.

He said that because the state didn’t expand Medicaid — a proposal he supported in the past — Wyoming has missed out on $100 million a year in federal aid. He added that in Wyoming, the program is currently facing a $20 million deficit.

“The ACA, there’s certainly some room for improvement,” he continued. “But to throw it out just because it’s the ACA, I don’t think that’s a good idea.”
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/29/1694407/-This-quote-from-Wyoming-s-Governor-is-a-stunner?detail=emaildkre

Trash + Repugs wanting to kill Obamacare just because it's from Obama, nothing but pure spite, just like Trash killing DACA




Pretty much.

GOP is using average Americans as ammunition in the war on Obama's presidency.

[boutons_deux]

Pretty much.

GOP is using average Americans as ammunition in the war on Obama's presidency.

GOP knows fully well that 100Ks of Americans will suffer with untreated diseases, and 10Ks will die if Medicaid expansion is killed.

[boutons_deux]

Life expectancy trends tied to 2016 voting choices

voting patterns correlated with the nation's growing geographic health divides, with Donald Trump winning more votes in counties that have seen lower gains in life expectancy.

Life expectancy in the US rose by about five years between 1980 and 2014, but the gains were not even.

"In the last 30 years, there's been a sharp divergence in life expectancy across US counties," Bor says.

"Some counties have gained a full decade of life expectancy. Others have really been left behind, with zero gains or even falling life expectancy in this period."

Life expectancy trends also correlated with voter turnout:

The total number of votes for the two major parties increased by 1.3 million in counties with above-average life expectancy gains and

fell by 1.9 million in counties with below-average gains--the counties more likely to go for Trump.

"In the 2016 election, in counties that had been left behind in life expectancy gains, residents abandoned the Democratic Party, voting for Trump or not voting at all,"

Bor stresses the relationship may not be causal, and does not rule out other explanations for Trump's margins in these counties, namely the roles of race and economic marginalization.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-09/buso-let090717.php

So the people who REALLY needed expansion of Medicaid and ACA, voted for Repugs who had denied them healthcare.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Threatens to Veto Medicare-For-All, But Gets a Brutal Slapback From Bernie Sanders (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/14/1698686/-Trump-Threatens-to-Veto-Medicare-For-All-But-Gets-a-Brutal-Slapback-From-Bernie-Sanders)


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(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) ✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

Bernie Sanders is pushing hard for a single payer healthcare plan - a curse on the U.S. & its people...





Follow (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
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...I told Republicans to approve healthcare fast or this would happen. But don't worry, I will veto because I love our country & its people.
2:32 PM - Sep 14, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908413134196572161)





Bernie Sanders (https://twitter.com/SenSanders)
(https://twitter.com/SenSanders) ✔@SenSanders (https://twitter.com/SenSanders)

No Mr. President, providing health care to every man, woman and child as a right is not a curse, it's exactly what we should be doing. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908413019050463232 … (https://t.co/sNeq6YZHDw)





Follow (https://twitter.com/SenSanders)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/794619281271033856/Fs0QQaH7_normal.jpgBernie Sanders (https://twitter.com/SenSanders)
(https://twitter.com/SenSanders)✔@SenSanders (https://twitter.com/SenSanders)

What is a curse is your support for throwing 23 million off health insurance. That's the curse and we won't allow you to get away with it.
2:53 PM - Sep 14, 2017 (https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/908418348387627011)

[ducks]

Sanders is not important boutons voted for him

[boutons_deux]

It really isn't dead yet: Senate Republicans will push one more Trumpcare bill next week (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/15/1698827/-It-really-isn-t-dead-yet-Senate-Republicans-will-push-one-more-Trumpcare-bill-next-week)

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has officially requested (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mitch-mcconnell-asks-cbo-to-score-obamacare-overhaul/article/2634557%22) a score of it from the Congressional Budget Office.

He is reportedly whipping it (https://twitter.com/AngelRafPadilla/status/908516755504590848) and attempting to get support by telling people that Sen. John McCain supports it, because the maverick McCain was only bullshitting everyone back in July when he said he was going to insist that any more repeal efforts go through regular order.

This won't go through regular order because there isn't time for that—because they only have until the end of the month (eight working days as of now) to do it.

The only way the Senate could pass this without subjecting it to a Democratic filibuster is by pushing it through a process called budget reconciliation.

Republicans gave themselves a deadline of Sept. 30 to get this done, arrogantly thinking that they could do in six months what they weren't able to do in seven years: come up with a replacement for Obamacare.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/15/1698827/-It-really-isn-t-dead-yet-Senate-Republicans-will-push-one-more-Trumpcare-bill-next-week?detail=emaildkre

[boutons_deux]

Very Bad News For Republicans As John McCain Smacks Down New Effort To Repeal Obamacare


Sen. John McCain sent a signal that he is not going to support the latest Republican effort to repeal Obamacare by announcing his support for the bipartisan ACA fixes being worked on in the Senate

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/09/17/bad-news-republicans-john-mccain-smacks-effort-repeal-obamacare.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[boutons_deux]

What's worse than Obamacare repeal with no replacement? This new Trumpcare bill (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/15/1698889/-What-s-worse-than-Obamacare-repeal-with-no-replacement-This-new-Trumpcare-bill)

https://images.dailykos.com/images/429230/story_image/GettyImages-823234464.jpg?1501168270




it gets there is really, really nasty.

In the first years, it's a massive transfer of money (https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/like-other-aca-repeal-bills-cassidy-graham-plan-would-add-millions-to-uninsured#health9-13-17table1) from the blue state that took Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act to states that didn't. In 2021 it "redistribute(s) the reduced federal funding across states,

based on their share of low-income residents rather than their actual spending needs" and would,

over time,

"punish states that have adopted the Medicaid expansion or been more successful at enrolling low- and moderate-income people in marketplace coverage under the ACA."

https://images.dailykos.com/images/449110/large/DJyKMmqWkAAA8fi.jpg?1505504069

https://images.dailykos.com/images/449107/large/pasted_image_0.png?1505503875

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/15/1698889/-What-s-worse-than-Obamacare-repeal-with-no-replacement-This-new-Trumpcare-bill?detail=emailaction&link_id=0&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-the-new-trumpcare-bill-is-way-worse-than-we-thought&email_referrer=email_235498&email_subject=the-new-trumpcare-bill-is-way-worse-than-we-thought

:lol

[baseline bum]

Very Bad News For Republicans As John McCain Smacks Down New Effort To Repeal Obamacare


Sen. John McCain sent a signal that he is not going to support the latest Republican effort to repeal Obamacare by announcing his support for the bipartisan ACA fixes being worked on in the Senate

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/09/17/bad-news-republicans-john-mccain-smacks-effort-repeal-obamacare.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29






You really think McCain is going to vote against his boy Graham's bill? I fear this one is going to pass.

[Reck]

You really think McCain is going to vote against his boy Graham's bill? I fear this one is going to pass.

The two women who voted no before dont like this one either. Plus Rand Paul is already a solid no.

[baseline bum]

Plus Rand Paul is already a solid no.

:lmao

[Reck]

:lmao

Just going by reports.

That lmao is probably right though. He'll buckle just like good old porny Ted.

[rmt]

You Texans stand to be the biggest winners according to that chart.

[boutons_deux]

The block grants to Repug states won't be used to pay for poor people's care, but will be Repug political slush funds. is why there are "no Federal strings attached" to the grants.

[ducks]

Arizona Governor Endorses Obamacare Repeal, In Apparent Message To John McCain

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-governor-endorses-obamacare-repeal-192405368.html


McCain, who cast a decisive third Republican vote against repeal in July, has not yet declared how he would vote on Cassidy-Graham. And although McCain has repeatedly raised objections to the rushed process of writing repeal legislation ― objections that would seem to apply equally to Cassidy-Graham ― he has also said he will take seriously the guidance of his governor. For that reason, Ducey’s endorsement got a lot of attention on Monday. The senator’s office did not return a request for comment.

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/21557781_1483678098347729_2278627744994544328_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=102a5ae47e74e039337a888bda08dd33&oe=5A433752

[boutons_deux]

Trashcare 5.0

Cancer patients will face a nightmare scenario if Trumpcare becomes law

allow many insurers to drive up premiums the minute someone gets sick (https://thinkprogress.org/trumpcares-back-and-now-it-will-let-insurers-jack-up-premiums-as-soon-as-you-get-sick-38fff5001bf9/).

This provision allows states to obtain waivers from the Affordable Care Act’s requirement that no one can be charged a higher premium because of a “health status-related factor,” effectively

allowing insurers to discriminate against people with pre-existing health conditions.

But that’s not all.

The new Trumpcare bill wouldn’t simply allow insurers to discriminate against people whose health condition manifested before they signed up for insurance.

Graham-Cassidy also potentially

permits insurers to charge higher premiums “as a condition of enrollment or continued enrollment.”

Thus, a person who is already insured could be forced to pay much higher premiums as a condition of their “continued enrollment” in that health plan after they are diagnosed with a new health condition.

https://thinkprogress.org/trumpcare-premium-increase-analysis-150828a5ead6/

This is what you Trash fellators voted for, right?

[ducks]

the bill is not perfect next year they should do more with it!

[ducks]

boutons_deux do you have omapuckcare?
is it working for you?

[boutons_deux]

Repugs penalizing blue states that expanded Medicaid

Under GOP Health Care Bill, States Would Struggle to Hang onto Obamacare



States that expanded Medicaid would be particularly hard hit


states willing to commit far more of their own budgets to the cause will struggle to establish anything close to Obamacare.

it will be virtually impossible for states to hold on to their ACA coverage gains, even if they are states that really want to do so,”

The funding is most drastically reduced for states that expanded Medicaid — many of which are the Democratic-led states most likely to try to recreate something akin to the ACA.

States like California, Oregon, and Vermont, where officials might also be interested in keeping the ACA intact, would see their funding drop by about $2 billion, $1 billion, and $2 million, respectively. A broader analysis from CBPP finds even sharper reductions, particularly for liberal states, beginning in 2027.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/under-gop-health-care-bill-states-would-struggle-to-hang-onto-obamacare/

As with Trashcare 1.0 to 4.0, Trashcare 5.0 takes health insurance and health care away from 10Ms of poor Americans, blatant sadism and manslaughter.

because Repugs LIE that they are pro life, when in fact they are pro-enrichment of themselves and the BigDonor oligarchy.

[ducks]

it can not be worse then what it is now
changes are not perfect but a start

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21616473_1704216693004711_8562465244658701703_n.jp g?oh=89de3f0ca644aa49d45ce4b5da2e3eaa&oe=5A49A9C4

[boutons_deux]

The VERY BEST People :lol

‘Craven dipshit’: Internet scolds Trump economic advisor for failing to grasp how insurance works

Donald Trump’s top economic advisor Stephen Moore on Tuesday demonstrated an apparent lack-of-knowledge of just how insurance works, telling CNBC’s John Harwood

“people want insurance for their own families, not other peoples.”

Moore was explaining why it’s unfair to have an insurance system where healthy people subsidize sick people.


John Harwood (https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood)
(https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood)✔@JohnJHarwood (https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood)

Trump adviser Moore on unfairness of the healthy subsidizing the sick: "people want insurance for their own families, not other peoples' "
2:57 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/910231408563638272)


Aaron Rupar (https://twitter.com/atrupar)
(https://twitter.com/atrupar)✔@atrupar (https://twitter.com/atrupar)

One thing I've leaned in 2017 is that a stunning number of "conservatives" have no idea how insurance works https://twitter.com/johnjharwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/wJjp0p5qOL)
3:15 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/910235933718585344)· Washington, DC (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A01fbe706f872cb32)

Jeffrey Goldfarb (https://twitter.com/jgfarb)
(https://twitter.com/jgfarb)✔@jgfarb (https://twitter.com/jgfarb)

He literally does not understand how insurance works. https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/G8mAMgy6BI)
3:15 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/jgfarb/status/910235822871412736)


Natalia Antonova (https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova)
(https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova)✔@NataliaAntonova (https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova)

I guess we can call this one the Fuck Society insurance plan. https://twitter.com/johnjharwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/O0hwgM9bb5)
3:14 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova/status/910235553840418818)


kris pissedofferson (https://twitter.com/JoshhTerry)
(https://twitter.com/JoshhTerry)✔@JoshhTerry (https://twitter.com/JoshhTerry)

these craven dipshits have no clue what insurance even is https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/Ap1NaoDdK1)
3:13 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/JoshhTerry/status/910235351029092352)


One thing I've leaned in 2017 is that a stunning number of "conservatives" have no idea how insurance works https://twitter.com/johnjharwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/wJjp0p5qOL)
3:15 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/910235933718585344)· Washington, DC (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A01fbe706f872cb32)

Jason Fry (https://twitter.com/jasoncfry)
(https://twitter.com/jasoncfry)✔@jasoncfry (https://twitter.com/jasoncfry)

He and those like him quite literally do not understand how insurance works. So much is in danger of being undone by the stupid and selfish. https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/rMSR7FLKs4)
3:12 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/jasoncfry/status/910235289322426368)

Roberto Aram Ferdman (https://twitter.com/robferdman)
(https://twitter.com/robferdman)✔@robferdman (https://twitter.com/robferdman)

Healthy people subsidizing sick people is literally how health insurance works https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/dmgG79k8E1)
3:01 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/robferdman/status/910232277468303360)

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/craven-dipsht-internet-scolds-trump-economic-advisor-for-failing-to-grasp-how-insurance-works/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29Aaron Rupar (https://twitter.com/atrupar)
(https://twitter.com/atrupar)✔@atrupar (https://twitter.com/atrupar)

[rmt]

[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]
Aaron Rupar (https://twitter.com/atrupar)
(https://twitter.com/atrupar)✔@atrupar (https://twitter.com/atrupar)

One thing I've leaned in 2017 is that a stunning number of "conservatives" have no idea how insurance works https://twitter.com/johnjharwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/wJjp0p5qOL)
3:15 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/910235933718585344)· Washington, DC (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A01fbe706f872cb32)

[/FONT][/COLOR]Jeffrey Goldfarb (https://twitter.com/jgfarb)
(https://twitter.com/jgfarb)✔@jgfarb (https://twitter.com/jgfarb)

He literally does not understand how insurance works. https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/G8mAMgy6BI)
3:15 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/jgfarb/status/910235822871412736)


Natalia Antonova (https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova)
(https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova)✔@NataliaAntonova (https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova)

I guess we can call this one the Fuck Society insurance plan. https://twitter.com/johnjharwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/O0hwgM9bb5)
3:14 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova/status/910235553840418818)


kris pissedofferson (https://twitter.com/JoshhTerry)
(https://twitter.com/JoshhTerry)✔@JoshhTerry (https://twitter.com/JoshhTerry)

these craven dipshits have no clue what insurance even is https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/Ap1NaoDdK1)
3:13 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/JoshhTerry/status/910235351029092352)


One thing I've leaned in 2017 is that a stunning number of "conservatives" have no idea how insurance works https://twitter.com/johnjharwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/wJjp0p5qOL)
3:15 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/910235933718585344)· Washington, DC (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A01fbe706f872cb32)
[COLOR=#697882][COLOR=#1C2022][COLOR=#697882][COLOR=#1C2022][COLOR=#697882]
[FONT=arial]Jason Fry (https://twitter.com/jasoncfry)
(https://twitter.com/jasoncfry)✔[COLOR=#697882]@jasoncfry (https://twitter.com/jasoncfry)

[COLOR=#1C2022]He and those like him quite literally do not understand how insurance works. So much is in danger of being undone by the stupid and selfish. https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/910231408563638272 … (https://t.co/rMSR7FLKs4)
[COLOR=#697882][SIZE=3][FONT=arial]3:12 PM - Sep 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/jasoncfry/status/910235289322426368)


I wonder if I as a middle-aged woman should be charged the same for life insurance as a 20 year old. I wonder if my house is built with concrete block and has shutters I should be charged the same as a neighbor who has a wooden house with no shutters for windstorm insurance. I wonder if a 20 year old male with speeding tickets should be charged the same as a middle-aged woman with no tickets for auto insurance. I wonder if my house is on a mountain I should be charged the same as some one who lives on the coast/below sea-level for flood insurance. I wonder if 20 year olds should be charged the same as sixty year olds for long-term care insurance. I wonder if I don't own a boat/motorcycle/car/atv, I should be charged the same umbrella liability insurance as some who does. I wonder if I put security alarm, sprinkler system and smoke detectors in my home, I should be charged the same for homeowner's insurance as someone who doesn't. Or if someone has a trampoline, pit bulls, and a pool without a fence, should I be charged the same if I don't?

Let's not pretend that insurance is not based on risk. And yes, even health insurance, if you are a public school teacher, your health insurance is going to be higher than than someone who works at Google because one group has a lot of child bearing/old women and the other has a lot of young men who don't go to the doctor.

[boutons_deux]

In A Stunning Moment, Republican Senator Basically Tells Sick Americans To Go Die

On MSNBC, Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY) said that Americans should have essential health benefits in their health care, which means that if people get sick, the Republican message is go die.

The Republican motto is that people don’t deserve a level of basic coverage that could keep them alive in the event of an illness or an emergency.

Republicans are saying that if a person gets sick,

they better come up with the money to afford to live, or

they can go die.

Barrasso unintentional summed up the Republican view on healthcare, and

what the GOP is trying to sneak through Congress

would be a death sentence for tens of thousands of Americans each year.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/09/19/stunning-moment-republican-senator-basically-tells-sick-americans-die.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[boutons_deux]

CBO won't estimate full effects of Obamacare repeal until after vote deadline



The Congressional Budget Office said it will not estimate how a new Obamacare bill will affect the number of uninsured Americans until after the deadline for passing that legislation.
Republicans need 50 votes to pass the Graham-Cassidy bill.
Past efforts to pass Obamacare replacement bills failed in part because of concerns they would increase the number of uninsured Americans


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/18/cbo-will-issue-full-report-on-obamacare-repeal-after-passage-deadline.html

[ducks]

Lazy sob cob
Never right anyhow

[ducks]

Fifteen Republican governors are supporting a GOP bill to provide block grants to states as "the last, best hope to finally repeal and replace Obamacare," The Hill reported Tuesday.

[boutons_deux]

Jimmy Kimmel Calls GOP Healthcare Bill a 'Scam,' Tells Senator 'Stop Using My Name'

He said the senator "just lied right to my face."

The host explained how

Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-LA) flat-out lied to him by claiming to support a host of healthcare positions the senator's own new bill directly contradicts.

“This guy, Bill Cassidy, just lied right to my face,” Kimmel said.

He demanded that Cassidy stop hiding behind the popular phrase "Kimmel test" to denote humane healthcare legislation,

a phrase popularized after Kimmel tearfully revealed his son's heart condition while defending the Affordable Care Act from Republican repeal efforts.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/jimmy-kimmel-calls-gop-healthcare-bill-scam-tells-senator-stop-using-my-name

[boutons_deux]

"the Graham-Cassidy healthcare repeal bill―

the latest version of Trumpcare―

which kicks 32 million people off of their healthcare

while giving a $20 billion tax break to the medical device industry."

[ducks]

Jimmy Kimmel Calls GOP Healthcare Bill a 'Scam,' Tells Senator 'Stop Using My Name'

He said the senator "just lied right to my face."

The host explained how

Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-LA) flat-out lied to him by claiming to support a host of healthcare positions the senator's own new bill directly contradicts.

“This guy, Bill Cassidy, just lied right to my face,” Kimmel said.

He demanded that Cassidy stop hiding behind the popular phrase "Kimmel test" to denote humane healthcare legislation,

a phrase popularized after Kimmel tearfully revealed his son's heart condition while defending the Affordable Care Act from Republican repeal efforts.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/jimmy-kimmel-calls-gop-healthcare-bill-scam-tells-senator-stop-using-my-name



Jimmy Kimmel is now an expect at health care?
hell his jokes are stupid

[ducks]

"the Graham-Cassidy healthcare repeal bill―

the latest version of Trumpcare―

which kicks 32 million people off of their healthcare

while giving a $20 billion tax break to the medical device industry."




says WHO the cbo has not scored it yet!

[boutons_deux]

Graham and Cassidy using how their bill hurts blue states as way to sell it to conservative senators (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/20/1700010/-Graham-and-Cassidy-using-how-their-bill-hurts-blue-states-as-way-to-sell-it-to-conservative-senators)

What makes the Graham–Cassidy attractive to Republican senators is threefold:



First, its block grants to the states, so Republicans can claim to support federalism
Second, they can tell their base that they are destroying Obamacare and Medicaid in one shot
Third, it really, really hurts blue states, especially California and New York



Most states used the ACA’s funding to expand Medicaid; some Republican-run states, liberated by the Supreme Court’s decision to make the funding optional, did not.

As a result,

14 of the 15 states that would stand to gain from block grants are run by Republicans;

Democratic megastates including California, New York and Massachusetts would lose billions of dollars,

a feature both Graham and Cassidy have talked up to conservatives.


Get that?

Hurting California, New York, and Massachusetts is a feature that the authors of the bill are using to sell it to conservatives

“No longer will four blue states get 40 percent of the money,” said Graham to Breitbart.

“A state like Mississippi, they get a 900 percent increase. South Carolina gets 300 percent.”

Those four blue states also have considerably more than 40 percent of the people participating in the current plan, something that could be changed by simply implementing the plan in more states.

What Republicans have done is take the funding, including that from states that expanded Medicaid, then redistribute it across all states.

The result is a plan that would reward the states that were deliberately cruel to their own people, by giving them the money taken from the states that tried to set up more equitable systems.

It’s not just the Screw Blue Act,

it’s the Screw You For Trying To Help Act.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/20/1700010/-Graham-and-Cassidy-using-how-their-bill-hurts-blue-states-as-way-to-sell-it-to-conservative-senators

[boutons_deux]

Coverage Losses by State Under the Graham-Cassidy Bill to Repeal the ACA

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/content/uploads/2017/09/20062323/GrahamCassidyCoverageLosses-table-6931.png

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/news/2017/09/20/439277/coverage-losses-state-graham-cassidy-bill-repeal-aca/

[RandomGuy]

This shitty bill is, astonishingly, shittier than the last shitty bill.

Looks like the final gasp of a political party that long since ran out of ideas, or morals. Intellectual and moral bankruptcy.

Cue whataboutism in 3, 2, 1

[RandomGuy]

You Texans stand to be the biggest winners according to that chart.

We also have one of the highest rates of uninsured, mostly because we didn't do the medicare expansion.

That "winning" will be squandered by the morons in Austin on bathroom police, and abortion inspectors I'm sure.

[Pavlov]

Why do people pretend that they somehow won't end up paying for the care of the uninsured?

[spurraider21]

hell his jokes are stupid
And Meryl Streep is overrated

[boutons_deux]

Why do people pretend that they somehow won't end up paying for the care of the uninsured?

because the Repugs/oligarchy know 10Ms of their cultist base are fucking stupid, ignorant, uninformed, low-wage, low-education, and probably Christian-home-schooled or schooled in a Christian "school" and/or "university", then add in all the white public HS dropouts.

[boutons_deux]

Bipartisan group of governors voice opposition to latest Obamacare repeal effort in Congress

The latest Republican-led effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act has some resistance outside Washington: a bipartisan group of governors.

On Tuesday, nearly a dozen governors, including Bill Walker of Alaska, signed a letter opposing the new repeal legislation

In voicing their opposition, the group, led by Govs. John Hickenlooper (D-Colo.) and John Kasich (R-Ohio),

denounced the legislation for being crafted behind closed doors.

“Legislation should receive consideration under regular order, including hearings in health committees and input from the appropriate health-related parties,”

the governors wrote in a letter (https://www.colorado.gov/governor/sites/default/files/bipartisan_governors_letter_re_graham-cassidy_9-19-17.pdf)to congressional leaders.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-bipartisan-group-of-governors-voice-1505845241-htmlstory.html#nws=mcnewsletter

[ducks]

oh boy a cal paper that means that paper is from a different nation

[ducks]

McConnell Plans Senate Vote on Healthcare Next Week
The Graham-Cassidy healthcare bill was written by Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Bill Cassidy, R-La.,. It would give much of the money now directed to Obamacare to state goverments to spend.

[Pavlov]

McConnell Plans Senate Vote on Healthcare Next Week
The Graham-Cassidy healthcare bill was written by Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Bill Cassidy, R-La.,. It would give much of the money now directed to Obamacare to state goverments to spend.Why?

[boutons_deux]

I wonder if I as a middle-aged woman should be charged the same for life insurance as a 20 year old.

young people pay more in auto insurance because they are worse drivers than older people

you Repugs want to punish people by charging them more for health insurnace.

Why aren't the Repugs charging you very fat and obese people and smokers a LOT more for your self-inflicted, AVOIDABLE health problems?

[boutons_deux]

SO MUCH FOR STATES’ RIGHTS — GOP SENATOR WANTS TO BAN STATE SINGLE PAYER IN NEW HEALTH CARE BILL (https://theintercept.com/2017/09/19/so-much-for-states-rights-gop-senator-wants-to-ban-state-single-payer-in-new-health-care-bill/)

LOUISIANA REPUBLICAN SEN. John Kennedy plans to use the most recent effort

to repeal and replace portions (https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/like-other-aca-repeal-bills-cassidy-graham-plan-would-add-millions-to-uninsured) of the Affordable Care Act to push an amendment that would bar states from enacting their own single-payer systems,

the bill’s co-sponsors, Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Bill Cassidy, R-La.,

told him that the measure already bans single payer,

but that he was welcome to offer his amendment either way.

“I don’t think states should have the authority to take money from the American taxpayer and set up a single-payer system,”

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/19/so-much-for-states-rights-gop-senator-wants-to-ban-state-single-payer-in-new-health-care-bill/

[boutons_deux]

A Top Republican Just Admitted The Chilling Truth About The New Healthcare Bill

“You know, I could maybe give you 10 reasons why this [Graham-Cassidy] bill shouldn’t be considered,”

said Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa to the Des Moines Register (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2017/09/20/chuck-grassley-regardless-substance-republicans-must-support-health-bill/685674001/) this afternoon.

“But Republicans campaigned on this so often that you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign.

That’s pretty much as much of a reason as the substance of the bill.”

http://verifiedpolitics.com/top-republican-just-admitted-chilling-truth-new-healthcare-bill/

so, damn the consequences on Americans, esp the bottom quintile, Repugs just gotta keep this one campaign promise to screw Americans and fuckover Obama

I've never been to Iowa but from the politicians it elects, the people must really, really suck.

[boutons_deux]

5 big lies Sen. Cassidy told about his health bill after Jimmy Kimmel called him a liar

https://i0.wp.com/thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/ap_17262758691358.jpg?resize=1280%2C720px&ssl=1


The “more people will be covered” lie



“There will be more people covered under the Graham-Cassidy-Heller-Johnson amendment than are under status quo.” – Cassidy on MSNBC
“Under Graham-Cassidy-Heller-Johnson more people will have coverage.” – Cassidy on CNN


The “pre-existing conditions protections” lie



“We protect those with pre-existing conditions” – Cassidy on MSNBC
“We protect those with pre-existing conditions. If a state applies for a waiver it specifically says the state must establish there is adequate and affordable coverage for those with pre-existing conditions.” – Cassidy on Fox News
“We protect those with pre-existing conditions.” – Cassidy on CNN


The “helping states bypassed by Obamacare” lie



“There will be billions of dollars of coverage for, working families in states like Maine, Virginia, Missouri, Florida and elsewhere, states that have been bypassed by Obamacare.” – Cassidy on MSNBC
“States like Maine, Virginia, Florida, Missouri — they’ll be billions more dollars to provide health insurance coverage for those in those states that have been passed by by Obamacare.” – Cassidy on CNN
“Our families will pay less under the Graham-Cassidy-Heller-Johnson amendment in states like [Louisiana, Massachusetts] once the governors implement those plans.” – Cassidy on MSNBC

https://i2.wp.com/thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/temp3.jpg?w=1024&ssl=1

The “sick children will have the coverage they need” lie



“[T]he state has the ability to provide coverage so when the child has a problem the parents have the coverage that the child’s problems can be addressed” – Cassidy on Fox News
QUESTION: “So any child born with a congenital heart disease would get everything he or she needs?” CASSIDY ON MSNBC: “Absolutely.”


The “low-income seniors and people with disabilities will have the coverage they need” lie



QUESTION: “So your bill, Dr. Cassidy, as I understand it, cuts coverage for low-income seniors, children and people with disabilities.” CASSIDY ON MSNBC: “That’s not true.”


https://thinkprogress.org/lies-cassidy-health-bill-3818f110e32b/

[RandomGuy]

McConnell Plans Senate Vote on Healthcare Next Week
The Graham-Cassidy healthcare bill was written by Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Bill Cassidy, R-La.,. It would give much of the money now directed to Obamacare to state goverments to spend.


In general, the bill would move money from Democratic to Republican states. Graham and Cassidy have generally acknowledged this, when pressed, and sometimes justified it in the name of fairness.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sponsors-obamacare-repeal-trying-fool-230119341.html

Republican shit weasels basically want to take more money from blue states to give it to red states. Look again at the map.

https://i2.wp.com/thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/temp3.jpg?w=1024&ssl=1

[boutons_deux]

I'm hearing the Repug conspirators throwing around "federalism" as justification for the no-strings block grants to states that shift money from Medicaid-expansion blue states to Medicaid-denied red states.

"federalism" is their new euphemism for the dog-whistle of "states rights"

[boutons_deux]

Trash and ALL the Repugs are LYING about Trashcare

Kimmel destroyed the LIES of Cassidy

here's Trash adding his LIE to the shitpile

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/910641701064204288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheoldreader.com%2Fposts%2Fa ll

[boutons_deux]

If the Repugs had any balls, guts, or spine, actual or metaphorical, they'd vote down Trashcare rather than kowtow to Kock Bros extortion

Koch network 'piggy banks' closed until Republicans pass health and tax reform


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/26/koch-network-piggy-banks-closed-republicans-healthcare-tax-reform

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21688086_1707023239390723_3422085972001390798_o.jp g?oh=ce03597bb64e7127b8e0c56cf3a586fd&oe=5A50C4F0

[ducks]

Key results from the Politico-Harvard poll:
•40 percent of those surveyed want to see Congress try to help lower the cost of prescription drugs this fall.
•33 percent want to see the minimum wage raised at the federal level.
•30 percent want to see the budget and overall spending reduced.
•26 percent want to see Obamacare repealed and replaced.
•24 percent want to see a spending increase to improve the nation's infrastructure.
•23 percent want to see Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election investigated.
•20 percent want federal taxes on individuals and businesses reduced.
•11 percent would like to see Congress focus on building a border wall between the U.S. and Mexico in the fall.

[boutons_deux]

All 50 States Just Took An Unprecedented Step Against Senate’s Trumpcare Bill

A tweet from Andy Slavitt, President Obama’s former Medicaid chief, is sending shockwaves through social media.

The former Acting Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services just tweeted out that the bipartisan Medicaid Directors from all fifty U.S. states have issued a joint negative statement about the Graham-Cassidy Obamacare repeal bill.

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/911018434804068352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fverifiedpolitics.com%2F50-states-just-took-unprecedented-step-senates-trumpcare-bill%2F

In the letter, the fifty Medicaid Directors did not hold back their criticism of proposed legislation, which Republicans are strong-arming to a vote late next week:



The Board of Directors of the National Association of Medicaid Directors (NAMD) urges Congress to carefully consider the significant challenges posed by the Graham-Cassidy legislation.

State Medicaid Directors are strong proponents of state innovation in the drive towards health care system transformation.

Our members are committed to ensuring the programs we operate improve health outcomes while also being fiscally responsible to state and federal taxpayers. In order to succeed, however, these efforts must be taken in a thoughtful, deliberative, and responsible way.

We are concerned that this legislation would undermine these efforts in many states and fail to deliver on our collective goal of an improved healthcare system.

They then proceed to enumerate in detail all the ways that Graham-Cassidy will harm both health care outcomes and fiscal responsibility,

citing “the apparent lack of federal funding in the bill to support these critical activities,” and the fact

zthat Republican lawmakers are in a “rush” to pass the bill without “thorough discussion, examination, and analysis.

http://verifiedpolitics.com/50-states-just-took-unprecedented-step-senates-trumpcare-bill/

At least 48 DEPLORABLE Repug Senators don't GAF what these people say.

Their ONE and ONLY objective, behind all the Repug LIES, buried behind Trashcare is a huge tax cut.

[Reck]

911173124976193536

Trump makes it very easy for senators to just vote no. He thinks fear works with everyone.

Not all of them are Ted Cruz's.

[Pelicans78]

We also have one of the highest rates of uninsured, mostly because we didn't do the medicare expansion.

That "winning" will be squandered by the morons in Austin on bathroom police, and abortion inspectors I'm sure.

Medicaid expansion, not medicare expansion.

Besides, it doesn't matter how many more people get on Medicaid when doctors aren't willing to see them because of poor reimbursement. It's better than no insurance, but still crappy, plus the quality of patients are very poor.

[boutons_deux]

A Hospital Crisis Is Killing Rural Communities. This State Is ‘Ground Zero.’

Inside three Georgia counties that have struggled to keep their hospitals ― and futures ― alive

Agriculture was once the primary employer, but the Wheeler Correctional Facility, a privately run prison, is now the biggest source of jobs.

With 39 percent of the central Georgia county’s population living in poverty, there aren’t enough patients with good insurance to keep a hospital from losing money.

The hospital’s closure eliminated the county’s biggest health care provider and dispatched yet another major employer. Glenwood’s mayor of 34 years, G.M. Joiner, doubts that the town will ever recover.

“It’s been devastating,” the 72-year-old mayor said, leaning on one of the counters in Glenwood’s one-room city hall. “I tell folks that move here, ‘This is a beautiful place to live, but you better have brought money, because you can’t make any here.’”

Rural hospitals are in danger across the country, their closures both a symptom of economic trouble in small-town America and a catalyst for further decline.

Since 2010, 82 rural hospitals have closed nationwide (http://www.shepscenter.unc.edu/programs-projects/rural-health/rural-hospital-closures/). As many as 700 more are at risk of closing within the next 10 years,

these rural hospital closures are hitting the southern United States the hardest.

“The Southeast of the U.S. is where things are going horribly wrong. You’ve got higher levels of obesity, diabetes, hypertension ― you pick up any health disparity or measure and it’s there,” Morgan said. “And again this is where now we are shutting down rural hospitals.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rural-hospitals-closure-georgia_us_59c02bf4e4b087fdf5075e38?utm_medium=ema il&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__092217&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__092217+CID_f21f7f03 ee00387115779f21dfc0aae6&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=HuffPost&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__092217

I am sure Trashcare's "block grants" political slush funds to Georgia won't help rural Georgia.

[RandomGuy]

McCain says "I'm old, and about do die. Fuck off."

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/22/senator-john-mccain-says-he-cannot-support-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-bill.html

Republican plan to steal money from Democrats to give it to Republicans is dead.

[boutons_deux]

McCain says "I'm old, and about do die. Fuck off."

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/22/senator-john-mccain-says-he-cannot-support-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-bill.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/22/senator-john-mccain-says-he-cannot-support-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-bill.html)

Republican plan to steal money from Democrats to give it to Republicans is dead.


Ayn Rand Paul also voting NO, 30M+ losing health care isn't sadistic enough for him.

Will Murkowski be bought off by Regpus allowing AK to keep ACA?

And then there's Sue Collins, ME

===============

Republicans Reeling After Study Finds 32 Million Will Lose Insurance Under Graham-Cassidy

The Republican efforts to repeal Obamacare were dealt a blow on Friday as the non-partisan Brookings Institute found that at least 21 million would lose their health insurance, 15 million immediately, and as many as 32 million by 2026 under Graham-Cassidy.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/09/22/republicans-reeling-study-finds-32-million-lose-insurance-graham-cassidy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (http://www.politicususa.com/2017/09/22/republicans-reeling-study-finds-32-million-lose-insurance-graham-cassidy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

[boutons_deux]

If Trashcare fails again, Trash and Price will fuck up ACA into failure.

Repugs FUCK UP everything they touch.

[Reck]

911173124976193536

Trump makes it very easy for senators to just vote no. He thinks fear works with everyone.

Not all of them are Ted Cruz's.

See what I'm talking about? Threatening doesn't work, shithead.

911290557191921664

[Reck]

McCain says "I'm old, and about do die. Fuck off."

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/22/senator-john-mccain-says-he-cannot-support-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-bill.html

Republican plan to steal money from Democrats to give it to Republicans is dead.

:cry You mean my scary tweet calling out senators who dont vote for for this bill didn't work? :cry

[ducks]

people who voted for mcccain and emailing him and telling him did not
publically saying he will talk to the az gov and listen to him did not
HE IS A FOOL

[ducks]

Lying RINO John McCain Says He Cannot Support Latest Obamacare Repeal Bill - But Ran on Repealing Obamacare

[ducks]

AZ got a 116% increase in price last yr alone. This is not about the "bill". It's about destruction of his own party & Trump. Truly sick man

[ducks]

Confirming his hate 4 Trump is a TOP priority for McCain. Therefore, HE MUST show the world how intense the HATE really is ; hence the "no"

[ducks]

How many times did @SenMcCain vote to repeal Obamacare. Now he can't do it. You are a traitor to the people.

As I keep saying take all of congress' subsidies away so they can have the same Ocare Main Street has & repeal/replace will happen in 24hrs.

[ducks]

If McConnell does not remove John McCain from Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee he will be condoning his cowardly behavior.

[clambake]

feathers ruffled

[ducks]

He criticizes everyone's ideas, yet offers NO ideas and NO solution of his own (who can blame him, must be so tired from the chemo, etc.).

[ducks]

Charlie Kirk‏Verified account Charliekirk11 · 2h2 hours ago


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I am so sick of politicians like @SenJohnMcCain who will say anything to get elected and refuse to vote on measures that will help Americans

[Spurminator]

He criticizes everyone's ideas, yet offers NO ideas and NO solution of his own (who can blame him, must be so tired from the chemo, etc.).

Was this copied from a Trump tweet?

[ducks]

John McCain‏Verified account
@SenJohnMcCain


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Arizonans are frustrated by #Obamacare collapse- I won't stop fighting until we replace it w/ health care that works








LIE LIE LYING MCIDIOT

[clambake]

woo hoo!

[ducks]

Ann Coulter
✔ ‎@AnnCoulter

McCain might want to treat this w/ a little more urgency: He's getting 1st class brain tumor treatment unavailable to those on Obamacare

[ducks]

Charlie Kirk
✔ ‎@charliekirk11

Hey @SenJohnMcCain you are a liar and have directly gone back on promises you made countless times to voters

[ducks]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF-inonUQAA_gnF.jpg



KISS HIS BALLS MCIDIOT

[ducks]

Was this copied from a Trump tweet?

no

[ducks]

Gov. Mike Huckabee
✔ ‎@GovMikeHuckabee

McCain sides with comics,Pelosi,Schumer,Bernie & Obama over GOP colleagues, @POTUS, & ppl hurt by ACA; HE should write book "What Happened?"

[spurraider21]

McCain mopped the fuckin floor with Trump's fuckin ass

[Pavlov]

Again.

JM3

[RandomGuy]

Charlie Kirk‏Verified account Charliekirk11 · 2h2 hours ago


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I am so sick of politicians like @SenJohnMcCain who will say anything to get elected and refuse to vote on measures that will help Americans

He is voting.

Just not the way your dumb ass wants him to.

[RandomGuy]

McConnell Plans Senate Vote on Healthcare Next Week
The Graham-Cassidy healthcare bill was written by Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Bill Cassidy, R-La.,. It would give much of the money now directed to Obamacare to state goverments to spend.


In general, the bill would move money from Democratic to Republican states. Graham and Cassidy have generally acknowledged this, when pressed, and sometimes justified it in the name of fairness.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sponsors-obamacare-repeal-trying-fool-230119341.html

Republican shit weasels basically want to take more money from blue states to give it to red states. Look again at the map.

https://i2.wp.com/thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/temp3.jpg?w=1024&ssl=1

[RandomGuy]

people who voted for mcccain and emailing him and telling him did not
publically saying he will talk to the az gov and listen to him did not
HE IS A FOOL

You seem upset.

[boutons_deux]

People Who Feared Obama Would Take Their Guns Happy to Have Trump Take Their Health Care (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/people-who-feared-obama-would-take-their-guns-happy-to-have-trump-take-their-health-care)


https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59c3f2f25b16674589544bfc/master/w_1626,c_limit/Borowitz-Guns-Trump-Healthcare-2.jpg

WASHINGTON —Americans who feared that Barack Obama would come for their guns are happy that Donald Trump is coming for their health care, a new report finds.

In interviews conducted across the country,

people expressed satisfaction that, by taking away their ability to see a doctor rather than their ability to shoot people, the federal government “finally has its priorities straight.”

“I couldn’t get a night’s sleep, worrying about Obama taking away my guns,” Carol Foyler, a gun owner from Kentucky, said.

“Now that we have a President who’s just taking away my family’s health care, I can breathe easier.”
Harland Dorrinson, a gun fancier from Wyoming, concurred.

“In Europe, everyone has health care and no one has guns,” he said.

“You couldn’t pay me to live there.”

Noting that thousands of people die in hospitals every year, he added,

“Health care has killed more people than guns have.”

Tracy Klugian, a gun hobbyist in Florida, said he strongly supported the Trump Administration’s policy, which he summarized as,

“If you like the guns you have, you can keep those guns.”

He said that the prospect of becoming ill without health insurance does not concern him in the least.

“If I get a disease, I’ll shoot at it,” he said.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/people-who-feared-obama-would-take-their-guns-happy-to-have-trump-take-their-health-care (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/people-who-feared-obama-would-take-their-guns-happy-to-have-trump-take-their-health-care)

[rmt]

McCain is a lying, back-stabbing RINO.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sponsors-obamacare-repeal-trying-fool-230119341.html

Republican shit weasels basically want to take more money from blue states to give it to red states. Look again at the map.

https://i2.wp.com/thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/temp3.jpg?w=1024&ssl=1

GOP states could simply opt in to the expansion and get funding. The unfairness is self inflicted.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

McCain is a lying, back-stabbing RINO.

:lol this notion that there is only one way to be a conservative.

[lefty]

:worthy: McCain

[clambake]

McCain is a lying, back-stabbing RINO.

that sounds more like trump.

[spurraider21]

Maverick gonna maverick

[Pavlov]

Just watched him on the PBS Vietnam series. Hero.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've always liked McCain. The S&L thing was before my time but I feel how he responded to it was outstanding. He's been in the right place on campaign finance and gerrymandering.

I primaried for him in 2008 and seriously considered voting for him prior to his VP choice.

[baseline bum]

John McCain‏Verified account
@SenJohnMcCain


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Arizonans are frustrated by #Obamacare collapse- I won't stop fighting until we replace it w/ health care that works








LIE LIE LYING MCIDIOT

Or maybe he's telling the truth and the replacement is shit.

[baseline bum]

that sounds more like trump.

http://a.fod4.com/misc/1%20so%20cool%20kid%20fan.gif

[hitmanyr2k]

McCain doesn't have much to lose at this point. He most likely doesn't have much time left so I don't think he's worried about re-election. He can restore his "maverick" legacy with these votes while giving Trump another fuck you and denying him a "win" on repealing the ACA as consequence for mocking his military service for being "captured".

And honestly McCain is right. Republicans should be more transparent in this whole process. They're simply trying to pass a crap bill to score political points with their dipshit base. What is it about this bill that makes healthcare more affordable? How does it raise quality? How does it cover more people in the long run? If this bill is so great why are Republicans staying behind closed doors instead of taking their case to the American people and talking to them directly going point by point of how this is going to make their lives better? Why can't Donald "grand-wizard deal maker" Trump go out on the campaign trail and sell ANYTHING? What a fraud :lol McCain will be the fall guy but the fact of the matter is the Republican party is complete shit and has been for awhile now. They've had 7 years of bitching and when they get the chance to show the country that they can actually govern they Charlie Brown the shit out of it :lol

[rmt]

Medicaid expansion under ACA as written was unsustainable. Where do you suppose that the states which accepted the expansion were going to get their increasing share of Medicaid - they cannot just print money or add to the deficit as the federal government don't they have to balance their budget? Take a look at the states' pension funding ratios:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-state-pension-funding-ratios/

Minnesota really dropped a lot from 2016 to 2017! Wonder what's going on there.


With pension obligations like these, where do you think states are going to find the funding for Medicaid expansion to able-bodied people when most of them will struggle to pay their guaranteed benefits? The states which chose to decline Medicaid expansion did the fiscally responsible thing should Obamacare continue as written. And it's even worse:

But here’s a fact that should tell you something: almost no other pension plans in the world are allowed to use the kind of accounting that U.S. state and local plans can. Corporate pension plans can’t discount their liabilities using the assumed return on investment. Nor can most public employee pensions in other countries.

http://www.aei.org/publication/are-state-and-local-government-pensions-underfunded-by-5-trillion/

[Pavlov]

Medicaid expansion under ACA as written was unsustainable. Where do you suppose that the states which accepted the expansion were going to get their increasing share of Medicaid - they cannot just print money or add to the deficit as the federal government don't they have to balance their budget? Take a look at the states' pension funding ratios:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-state-pension-funding-ratios/

Minnesota really dropped a lot from 2016 to 2017! Wonder what's going on there.


With pension obligations like these, where do you think states are going to find the funding for Medicaid expansion to able-bodied people when most of them will struggle to pay their guaranteed benefits? The states which chose to decline Medicaid expansion did the fiscally responsible thing should Obamacare continue as written. And it's even worse:

But here’s a fact that should tell you something: almost no other pension plans in the world are allowed to use the kind of accounting that U.S. state and local plans can. Corporate pension plans can’t discount their liabilities using the assumed return on investment. Nor can most public employee pensions in other countries.

http://www.aei.org/publication/are-state-and-local-government-pensions-underfunded-by-5-trillion/So it's not the same as health care at all.

[rmt]

So it's not the same as health care at all.

Huh?

[Pavlov]

Huh?That was exactly my reaction.

[rmt]

I'm not sure that Bloomberg link is working:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-state-pension-funding-ratios/

[rmt]

GOP states could simply opt in to the expansion and get funding. The unfairness is self inflicted.

I was responding to this.

[Pavlov]

I was responding to this.Still no relation to state pensions. The dirty secret there is the fed will end up supporting those as well.

[rmt]

Still no relation to state pensions. The dirty secret there is the fed will end up supporting those as well.

Don't you think these state politicians know the state of their pensions? That they KNOW they can't afford virtually unlimited (except for income)/unknown Medicaid match? That they will have to pay pensions before virtually anything else and that that affects their bond rating? What could they do except raise taxes?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/business/dealbook/study-finds-public-pension-promises-exceed-ability-to-pay.html

And the feds are gonna bail out half of the states? Who pays for that?

[Pavlov]

Don't you think these state politicians know the state of their pensions? That they KNOW they can't afford virtually unlimited (except for income)/unknown Medicaid match? That they will have to pay pensions before virtually anything else and that that affects their bond rating? What could they do except raise taxes?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/business/dealbook/study-finds-public-pension-promises-exceed-ability-to-pay.html

And the feds are gonna bail out half of the states? Who pays for that?No one really. It's just another pile on the debt. Republicans don't care about debt any more than Democrats.

[rmt]

No one really. It's just another pile on the debt. Republicans don't care about debt any more than Democrats.

So we just keep piling up the debt - waiting for the feds to bail us out and add on to the 20 trillion dollars. This is not even considering the obligation of SS and Medicare. I don't know about you all, but the math looks pretty grim to me.

[ducks]

McCain is a lying, back-stabbing RINO.

[Pavlov]

So we just keep piling up the debt - waiting for the feds to bail us out and add on to the 20 trillion dollars. This is not even considering the obligation of SS and Medicare. I don't know about you all, but the math looks pretty grim to me.You had a chance to care about it earlier. You didn't.

[rmt]

You had a chance to care about it earlier. You didn't.

Huh? I'm not for spending more than one takes in. I think they should raise the age of SS to at least 70 - better yet, tie it to life expectancy. I don't think that Medicaid should include able-bodied individuals with no kids. I'm not for personal tax cuts - corporate, yes so that corporations don't run off to Canada and Ireland, and discount to bring back the trillions parked abroad. I'm for cutting the waste in government and abolishing this automatic increase in every department.

[baseline bum]

So we just keep piling up the debt - waiting for the feds to bail us out and add on to the 20 trillion dollars. This is not even considering the obligation of SS and Medicare. I don't know about you all, but the math looks pretty grim to me.

You have been railing so hard against the GOP's tax cuts they have been talking about for months.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was responding to this.

It's been predicted for near 40 years that your generation's tax cut regimes coupled with your not proportionately having enough children would produce a clusterfuck fiscally now that Boomers are leaving the workforce paying for your retirements. Blackballing millennials when they tried to enter has not helped.

That is a societal reality that we are now having to deal with.

That has absolutely nothing to do with medicaid expansion. You already get your medicare.

[rmt]

It's been predicted for near 40 years that your generation's tax cut regimes coupled with your not proportionately having enough children would produce a clusterfuck fiscally now that Boomers are leaving the workforce paying for your retirements. Blackballing millennials when they tried to enter has not helped.

That is a societal reality that we are now having to deal with.

That has absolutely nothing to do with medicaid expansion. You already get your medicare.

A lot of assumptions here. I haven't gotten my medicare - as I'm on the better side of my mid-fifties. I have reproduced at 50% more than my dh and myself. I haven't voted in any tax cut regimes - as far as I know, Trump hasn't passed any tax cuts yet. And I've just re-entered the workforce and intend to work as long as I possibly can.

Would you continue the irresponsibility in overspending just because the generation before you did? You're the one who's going to foot the bill (if you're young and not near retirement). Imo, expanding Medicaid to able-bodied individuals with no kids is financially irresponsible. I don't mind paying for the disabled and kids but able-bodied adults should not be getting health care for free - there should be at the very least a work requirement.

[rmt]

You have been railing so hard against the GOP's tax cuts they have been talking about for months.

Are you being sarcastic? I don't think I've said anything about tax cuts recently, and my position has not changed since I've been posting here - I have always been for govt spending cuts and working down the debt.

[rmt]

GOP states could simply opt in to the expansion and get funding. The unfairness is self inflicted.

The reason I did not originally reply with your quote was that I did not want to single you out as many on this board share this opinion (but it was causing confusion with pavlov). My point is that states which are trying to be fiscally responsible know that they cannot afford Medicaid expansion as ACA is written. It (their share), together with (most of) their unfunded pension liabilities would sink them financially. I don't get this thinking that we can just keep spending and spending and adding to the debt - sooner or later, our dollar would be worthless.

[ElNono]

A lot of assumptions here. I haven't gotten my medicare - as I'm on the better side of my mid-fifties. I have reproduced at 50% more than my dh and myself. I haven't voted in any tax cut regimes - as far as I know, Trump hasn't passed any tax cuts yet. And I've just re-entered the workforce and intend to work as long as I possibly can.

Would you continue the irresponsibility in overspending just because the generation before you did? You're the one who's going to foot the bill (if you're young and not near retirement). Imo, expanding Medicaid to able-bodied individuals with no kids is financially irresponsible. I don't mind paying for the disabled and kids but able-bodied adults should not be getting health care for free - there should be at the very least a work requirement.

Not sure what this idea that what you did is representative of America as a whole, tbh...

The slowdown in birthrate in America has been a trend going for decades, and it's a real problem in more ways than one. See: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-03/make-america-mate-again

I should note that nobody is saying it's your fault either, but it's undeniably one of many factors affecting the calculation on things like retirement and healthcare.

[baseline bum]

Are you being sarcastic? I don't think I've said anything about tax cuts recently

Of course you haven't complained about Trump's tax cut plans because you couldn't give two shits about the debt.

[rmt]

Not sure what this idea that what you did is representative of America as a whole, tbh...

The slowdown in birthrate in America has been a trend going for decades, and it's a real problem in more ways than one. See: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-03/make-america-mate-again

I should note that nobody is saying it's your fault either, but it's undeniably one of many factors affecting the calculation on things like retirement and healthcare.

So what is he implying by saying, "You already get your medicare" - that is not a generalization - that is directed at me.

By 2029, Medicare Hospital Insurance is exhausted resulting in 12% cut in benefit payments to 80 million. By 2034, combined SS trust funds exhausted resulting in 23% cut in benefits affecting 87 million.

http://www.pgpf.org/analysis/social-security-medicare-trustees-reports

[rmt]

Of course you haven't complained about Trump's tax cut plans because you couldn't give two shits about the debt.

On the contrary, it's the liberals who expanded Medicaid to millions of able-bodied adults without kids and tend to spend - not caring about the debt. I am on record saying that I don't want personal tax cuts - that I want the debt worked down.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

On the contrary, it's the liberals who expanded Medicaid to millions of able-bodied adults without kids and tend to spend - not caring about the debt. I am on record saying that I don't want personal tax cuts - that I want the debt worked down.

Then there is the political reality of the party you support over the past 40 years.

The cognitive dissonance is strong in you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So what is he implying by saying, "You already get your medicare" - that is not a generalization - that is directed at me.

By 2029, Medicare Hospital Insurance is exhausted resulting in 12% cut in benefit payments to 80 million. By 2034, combined SS trust funds exhausted resulting in 23% cut in benefits affecting 87 million.

http://www.pgpf.org/analysis/social-security-medicare-trustees-reports

You'll be getting it soon enough then.

And why should we give a shit about an analysis from a Nixon advisor and former Lehman Brothers board member's projections? Is that really the best your google fu could come up with?

[Reck]

Ann Coulter
✔ ‎@AnnCoulter

McCain might want to treat this w/ a little more urgency: He's getting 1st class brain tumor treatment unavailable to those on Obamacare

Fucking sick. This bitch needs to catch the AIDS from one of those hood giggas she hates so much.

[baseline bum]

On the contrary, it's the liberals who expanded Medicaid to millions of able-bodied adults without kids and tend to spend - not caring about the debt. I am on record saying that I don't want personal tax cuts - that I want the debt worked down.

Fuck off, you don't give a shit about the debt. You only ever come and whine about the ACA, you never go on rants here about the capital gains tax rate being so much lower than income tax rate, the tax cuts your Republican party passes every single time they get in power, all the expensive military bases we have overseas, all the money we waste at the pentagon and in our national offense, and so on. No one believes you care anything about the debt.

[boutons_deux]

Trash Just Got Exposed Pulling A Shady Trick To Sabotage Obamacare Open Enrollment

Since, by every measure, Obamacare is neither collapsing nor imploding, his regime has begun the process of sabotaging it.
Already Trump has weakened (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/19/us/what-trump-can-do-to-let-obamacare-fail.html?mcubz=0) enforcement of the law’s insurance mandates, gutted (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/19/us/what-trump-can-do-to-let-obamacare-fail.html?mcubz=0) funding for outreach, and

cut the open enrollment period from 90 (http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/02/15/515440836/shorter-enrollment-period-for-obamacare-proposed-by-administration) to 45 (https://www.healthcare.gov/quick-guide/dates-and-deadlines/) days.


Apparently, limiting Americans time to sign up for healthcare to half of last year’s period was not enough for Trump.

Vox Senior Policy Correspondent Sarah Kliff tweeted a screenshot of an email announcing that Healthcare.gov, the federal insurance marketplace, will also be

closed for “maintenance” for five of the six Sunday mornings of open enrollment and an additional night

a deliberate attempt to undermine the reliability of the program — and at a time of week the administration knows full well that many working families have some much needed time to themselves.

http://verifiedpolitics.com/trump-just-got-exposed-pulling-shady-trick-sabotage-obamacare-open-enrollment/

All Intentional MISGovernance, All The Time, and why not some voluntary manslaughter?

[boutons_deux]

Right-Wing Star Declares He's Too Healthy For Insurance: Guess What Happened. (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/21/1700248/-Rightwing-Star-Declares-He-s-Too-Healthy-For-Insurance-Guess-What-Happened)

https://images.dailykos.com/images/451251/large/sassy-gay-republican-car-accident-health-insurance-yMR.png?1505966102

https://images.dailykos.com/images/451254/large/DKL_ivmXcAAdW_q.jpg?1505966583

Begging strangers for money: the Republican way to pay for healthcare.

He tweeted that he is considering declaring bankruptcy due to this accident. I would ask him to consider that there is no other industrialized nation on this planet where you would go bankrupt due to a sudden medical catastrophe

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/21/1700248/-Rightwing-Star-Declares-He-s-Too-Healthy-For-Insurance-Guess-What-Happened?detail=emaildkre

So the asshole is planning to stiff his creditors, following the decades long example of Trash

[rmt]

Then there is the political reality of the party you support over the past 40 years.

The cognitive dissonance is strong in you.

I was not politically active at all until this past election - too busy raising kids. When voting, it really comes down to 2 choices and the Dems' identity politics, redistribution, spending (Medicare for all, free college tuition) are just too much for me. We can't even afford Medicare as it stands for people who have contributed their whole working lives and they want to do it for everyone? That math just does not make sense.

[djohn2oo8]

Yall telling me that McCain wiped the floor with Trumps ass again?

[boutons_deux]

"the Dems' identity politics"

Repugs are the SUPERIOR party for identity politics, the identity being WHITE MALE, with sub-identities of RICH and Bible humper.

[Spurminator]

I was not politically active at all until this past election - too busy raising kids. When voting, it really comes down to 2 choices and the Dems' identity politics, redistribution, spending (Medicare for all, free college tuition) are just too much for me. We can't even afford Medicare as it stands for people who have contributed their whole working lives and they want to do it for everyone? That math just does not make sense.

It's telling that you listed identity politics first.

[Th'Pusher]

I was not politically active at all until this past election - too busy raising kids.

To op busy raising kids to perform your civic duty? Were you voting without the knowledge to backup your vote? What was it that made you become politically active?

[rmt]

To op busy raising kids to perform your civic duty? Were you voting without the knowledge to backup your vote? What was it that made you become politically active?

iirc, i came down here about a year before the election. I think that a year on this board before the election listening to you all made me knowledgeable enough to back up my vote - it was one crazy ride :-) Regarding my civic duty, posters here are so politically opinionated (I say that because I don't know if it's translated into action) - I would hazard a guess that most typical Americans either don't have a clue or don't care - sad to say (as I was one of them) but I thank you all for the discourse and neglecting my civic duty won't happen again.

Never had time before when I was full-time homeschooling - but ds was transitioning into public school that fall (only taught him Algebra) - not much to do except housework and driving him around. It was also the time that dh was off work for 5 months and I had to find alternative health care and really delved into Obamacare - and you know how I hate that program.

[rmt]

It's telling that you listed identity politics first.

You are probably reading too much into what I list first - the thought was put into what was listed last as I intended to continue the Medicare subject.

[Splits]

You are probably reading too much into what I list first - the thought was put into what was listed last as I intended to continue the Medicare subject.

Just shut your whore mouth and quit embarrassing yourself you stupid cunt

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was not politically active at all until this past election - too busy raising kids. When voting, it really comes down to 2 choices and the Dems' identity politics, redistribution, spending (Medicare for all, free college tuition) are just too much for me. We can't even afford Medicare as it stands for people who have contributed their whole working lives and they want to do it for everyone? That math just does not make sense.

I don't buy your story.

[rmt]

I don't buy your story.

That's fine. You're entitled to buy or not buy.

[baseline bum]

So the asshole is planning to stiff his creditors, following the decades long example of Trash


:rollin

[boutons_deux]

Sue Collins/ME is sounding very much like a NO, which would kill it, and there's still Murkowski/AK

[TeyshaBlue]

Just shut your whore mouth and quit embarrassing yourself you stupid cunt

Stay classy, fuckpoodle.

[TeyshaBlue]

Collins and McCain will kill this piece of shit.

[boutons_deux]

Collins and McCain will kill this piece of shit.

It takes 3 Repugs.

Ayn Rand Paul has already said he'd vote NO, but I don't trust his slimy ass, so it will be up to Murkowski.

To buy her off like a cheap whore, Bitch McConnell has offered her to maintain most or all of ACA for AK. Does she know McConnell is lying to her?

[TeyshaBlue]

Rand Paul had voted no every time. He's not suddenly going "yes".

[pgardn]

Stay classy, fuckpoodle.

That really is way too much IMO.
She tries to be polite, and I disagree with a whole lot of what she says but...No

[Pavlov]

:lol Ted Cruz doesn't even currently support it.

[Reck]

:lol Ted Cruz doesn't even currently support it.

Knowing Ted's backbone structure, you know it can collapse at the slightest applied pressured.

[boutons_deux]

:lol Ted Cruz doesn't even currently support it.

Krazy Kruz and Ayn Rand P both think the Repug psychopathy isn't nasty crazy enough.

[baseline bum]

Rand Paul had voted no every time. He's not suddenly going "yes".

Rand Paul says he will vote no every time but then votes yes when it matters. Like when he voted yes to proceed to debate on the BCRA, and then yes on the skinny repeal. He will 100% vote yes on Graham-Cassidy if McCain, Collins, or Murkowski does.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs trying to get Murkowski's YES vote by offering AK to keep Obamacare

BECAUSE

Obamacare is so much better than how badly the Repug bill would screw AK. :lol

[boutons_deux]

the sadistic, sociopathic, predatory, greedy oligarchy is dictating Repug policy


The GOP can't quit Obamacare repeal because of their donors

Graham-Cassidy has gained steam because many Republican senators care primarily about pleasing their donors.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/25/16339336/graham-cassidy-republican-donors

"care primarily ... "? :lol

try "care ONLY ... "

[boutons_deux]

Graham-Cassidy now guts Obamacare even more


Senate Republicans are desperately hunting for votes for repeal.

a plan from Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Bill Cassidy (R-SC) that would

go even further in rolling back Obamacare’s protections for people with preexisting conditions, while

adding hundreds of millions of dollars meant to sweeten the deal for senators from key states.

Graham-Cassidy would now, according to health policy experts,

effectively end to Obamacare’s insurance protections.

People with preexisting conditions could face higher premiums,

insurers could choose which services to cover, and

plans could also require people to pay more money out of pocket than Obamacare allows.

The core of the latest version of the plan, released late Sunday night, is the same:

Much of Obamacare’s funding would be converted into block grants that states could use to set up their own health care programs,

while Medicaid would be fundamentally overhauled with a federal spending cap.

The result, according to estimates of the previous iteration, would be

hundreds of billions of dollars (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/20/16338370/graham-cassidy-rewards-anti-obamacare-states) in federal spending cuts for health care and

tens of millions (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/22/16350320/graham-cassidy-uninsured-brookings-usc-cbo) fewer Americans with health insurance,

compared to Obamacare.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/25/16360550/graham-cassidy-revised-explained

The same oligarchy will vehemently block, successfully, any attempt to pass Medicare-for-all.

[boutons_deux]

Sue Collins announces NO! :lol

Trashcare zombie is D E A D :lol

[ducks]

He continued, “President Obama actually promised that we'd save up to $2,500 on premiums every year. But across America, the average annual premium costs nearly $3,000 more today than it did in 2013.”

He emphasized, “In fact, even our own hometown insurance company, Anthem, has pulled out of the Obamacare exchange here in Indiana. Hoosiers knows the truth. Obamacare has failed and Obamacare must go.”

[Pavlov]

He continued, “President Obama actually promised that we'd save up to $2,500 on premiums every year. But across America, the average annual premium costs nearly $3,000 more today than it did in 2013.”

He emphasized, “In fact, even our own hometown insurance company, Anthem, has pulled out of the Obamacare exchange here in Indiana. Hoosiers knows the truth. Obamacare has failed and Obamacare must go.”How will the new plan bring down costs?

[Chucho]

Hallow bills should never pass. I'm hardcore anti-ACA and want it repealed, but only if a better alternative is proposed. A shit law crammed down our throats shouldn't be repealed with another shit bill crammed down our throats.

[baseline bum]

Sue Collins announces NO! :lol

Trashcare zombie is D E A D :lol

Murkowski hasn't said no yet, so we're only at two no votes so far. Paul's threat to vote no is bullshit, as is Cruz's. And even if this bill goes down in flames this week the ACA repeal will never be dead unless the Democrats are in control of the house in January 2019. The GOP will try to roll a repeal into the tax cut reconciliation bill for 2018 because the Kochs are telling them to.

[boutons_deux]

The GOP’s Latest Obamacare Repeal Bill Is Dead

Republicans decided not to vote on the measure because they didn’t have enough support to pass it.


Republican leaders have

decided not to vote on Obamacare repeal legislation

this week, effectively ending the party’s latest effort to wipe away the 2010 health care law.

When, and whether, they will try again remains to be seen. But for now a defining cause of the Republican Party, including President Donald Trump, lies in tatters.

And at least for the moment, insurance coverage for many millions of Americans relying on Medicaid or the law’s federal subsidies remans intact.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/graham-cassidy-failure_us_59ca9a35e4b07e9ca11f3d1b?utm_medium=ema il&utm_campaign=__BREAKING__%202017-09-26%20The%20GOPs%20Latest%20Obamacare%20Repeal%20Bi ll%20Is%20Dead&utm_content=__BREAKING__%202017-09-26%20The%20GOPs%20Latest%20Obamacare%20Repeal%20Bi ll%20Is%20Dead+CID_3b0842115b6d1cf05c232ba5450ec97 e&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=Read%20More&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__BREAKING__%202017-09-26%20The%20GOPs%20Latest%20Obamacare%20Repeal%20Bi ll%20Is%20Dead

Now Trash and Price will triple down sabotage it.

[Reck]

Too bad. I would've liked to see the turtle go on and put it on the floor so I can see McCain thumb it the fuck down like last time.