So does Trumpcare pass the house?

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Mitch McConnell Flat Out Refuses to Give Senate More Than 10 Hours to Review Health Care Bill

McConnell: I think we'll have ample opportunity to read and amend the bill.

Schumer: Will it be more than ten hours?

McConnell: I think we'll have ample opportunity to read and amend the bill.

Schumer: I rest my case.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/mitch-mcconnell-healthcare-bill

That's how the oligarchy and its Repug whores roll when passing $Ts in tax cuts camouflaged behind a murderous health care bill.

ACA had 100+ amendments, required months to get passed, even then BigInsurance got Lieberman to abort even discussion of public insurance option, and BigInurance/BigPharma WROTE ACA.

America is fucked and unfuckable.

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BigCorp oligarchy running the govt for BigCorp profit

Big Pharma, Insurance Lobbies Behind GOP’s Secret Health Care Bill

Altogether,

13 Republican senators, including McConnell, on average received $214,000 in contributions from health insurance and pharmaceutical companies from November 2010 to November 2016

, money and politics watchdog MapLight (https://maplight.org/story/senators-drafting-secret-health-care-bill-backed-by-insurance-and-pharma-campaign-money/) found by searching campaign finance reports.

Utah Republican Senator Orrin Hatch led the way with more than $471,000 in contributions from two lobbies that could potentially benefit from the bill, with McConnell not far behind with more than $433,00 in donations.

Ohio junior Senator Rob Portman was next on the list, totaling some $382,000,

followed by Pennsylvania’s Pat Toomey at more than $354,000.

Just at the bottom of the list,

Texas senator and former GOP presidential candidate Ted Cruz pulled in nearly $59,000 and Arkansas’ Tom Cotton was last at just under $29,000.

The report notes that even the other senators ... still received on average $115,000 from the two industries.

Schumer himself received more than $719,000 from the insurance lobby, and almost $510,000 from health professionals,

"We're going to have a meeting on the Senate floor, all 100 of us, with an unlimited amendment process," McConnell said.

"So there will be no failure of opportunity." :lol

http://www.nationalmemo.com/big-pharma-insurance-lobbies-behind-gops-secret-health-care-bill/

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New polling numbers are out for 'Trumpcare', and they're a disaster for Republicans (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/21/1673830/-New-polling-numbers-are-out-for-Trumpcare-and-they-re-a-disaster-for-Republicans)

only 35 percent of voters surveyed approve of the bill passed by the House last month. Nearly half of voters, 49 percent, disapprove of the bill.

Among Republican voters, 30 percent disapprove of the GOP health care bill. That is up from 15 percent of Republicans disapproving in early May.

[I]ndependent voters disapprove of the bill by a 2-to-1 margin: 26 percent approve, versus 53 percent who disapprove.

[F]ew voters are cheering for the legislation’s passage. Only 27 percent think it will make the U.S. health care system better, compared to 41 percent who think it will make the system worse. Just 17 percent think it will decrease costs for them and their families, while 46 percent think costs will increase.

the Republican lawmakers installed by those voters simply do not seem to care. At all.

Rather than listening to voters warning them about how disastrous the bill will be they've decided to hunker down and simply not tell anyone what will be in it from now on, rushing to pass a final version within days of public release so that the public won't have a chance to either review it or complain.

Why?

What's in this for Republican lawmakers?

It's going to cost them votes even among their own base, it's going to open them up to endless future campaign commercials each featuring individual Americans from their own states and districts who lost insurance, or care, or even loved ones due to the Republican effort, and

in return they get—what?

What's being promised to them that outweighs all that?

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/21/1673830/-New-polling-numbers-are-out-for-Trumpcare-and-they-re-a-disaster-for-Republicans?detail=emaildkre
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/21/1673830/-New-polling-numbers-are-out-for-Trumpcare-and-they-re-a-disaster-for-Republicans?detail=emaildkre

Repugs know oligarchy's $Bs and ignorant rightwing/Repug/Christian Taliban tribes will never vote Dem, and at worst won't vote, but more typically always vote Repug, no matter how badly, how repeatedly, the Repugs fuck them over.

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http://www.truthdig.com/images/made/images/cartoonuploads/[email protected]

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To help pay for its spending items, the Affordable Care Act obliged households that earn more than a quarter of a million dollars a year to pay a new 3.8-per-cent tax on their annual investment income, such as interest payments and capital gains, and a 0.9-per-cent surcharge on their ordinary income.

Like the legislation passed in the House, the Senate bill eliminates these taxes—a major handout to the mega-rich.

According to a recent analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, the top 0.1 per cent of earners—i.e., households that make at least 3.9 million dollars a year—would receive

a tax cut of more than two hundred thousand dollars. and, unlike other aspects of the bill,

this one would go into effect immediately.

Over all, then, this bill largely sticks to the template laid down by House Speaker Paul Ryan and his colleagues.

It modifies, but doesn’t abolish, the principle that the federal government should provide financial assistance to middle-income people who aren’t covered by their employers.

It socks it to the poor, and

it gives a handout to the rich.—

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-the-senate-health-care-bill-means-for-america?mbid=nl__daily&CNDID=43758549&mbid=nl_TNY%20Template%20-%20With%20Photo%20(184)&CNDID=43758549&spMailingID=11320096&spUserID=MTQzNTk4NzA3ODYzS0&spJobID=1181924407&spReportId=MTE4MTkyNDQwNwS2

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https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19366363_10154579478086367_8229686970569496909_n.j pg?oh=eee468845d1205b2fbf437b8ce7171da&oe=59E4DA14

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Republicans Included A Sneaky Clause In Trumpcare Bill To Punish Democratic States

Traditional etiquette dictates that regardless of which political party is in power, their agenda should focus on benefitting the entire country.

The abominableTrumpcare bill was revealed today, and hidden inside it is a special provision that specifically targets blue states.

The new per capita expenditure is based on each state’s historical spending. Generally, Republican states have lower past expenses, and so under the new bill would receive less money.

To combat this, the GOP has added another rule, stating that a higher than average spending cap in a given state means the federal government can reduce its contributions by 2%.

Not coincidentally, the onus of this striction falls largely on Democratic states.

Republicans added an additional rule to help their states. The legislation states that the

2% rule will not apply to any states that have a population density of fewer than 15 people per square mile. Such rural states reliably vote Republican.

Alaska, Montana, North Dakota, and South Dakota are some of the states that meet the cut.

It’s a blatant handout to supporters, an effort to exclude Republicans from the 2% net.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/06/22/republicans-included-sneaky-clause-trumpcare-bill-punish-democratic-states/

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https://images.dailykos.com/images/416054/story_image/1343ckCOMIC-chagrin-falls-20---free-market-health-care.png?1498138097

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REPUG Arizona Already Tried What the GOP Wants to Do to Medicaid. It Was a Disaster.

Several years ago, Arizona froze Medicaid enrollment, as AHCA now proposes. The results were disturbing

In 2011, following the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, then–Arizona Gov. Janet Brewer cut the state’s Medicaid funding and froze (http://archive.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2011/07/01/20110701arizona-medicaid-freeze-feds-ok.html) enrollment.

Arizona blocked new enrollment in Medicaid and only allowed existing enrollees to continue receiving benefits if their income remained below the federal poverty line and they turned in their annual renewal paperwork on time.

A family that received a raise that lifted their income even slightly above the poverty line lost Medicaid coverage permanently, even if their income dropped below the line again the following year.

Between 2011 and 2013, 150,000 adults on Medicaid in Arizona, nearly two-thirds of the childless adults in the program, lost coverage (http://finance.azhha.org/member_and_media_resources/documents/ArizonaMedicaidExpansionReportREMI2-28-13_000.pdf). Over those months I spent at the hospital, many of the patients presented their own horror stories after losing Medicaid.

The Senate’s health care bill (http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/06/21/details_of_the_senate_health_care_bill_just_leaked _prepare_to_be_appalled.html) freezes Medicaid enrollment, preventing new poor families from signing up

Like Arizona’s 2011 freeze, if a patient goes off Medicaid, she’s barred from re-enrolling in later years, regardless of her financial or medical status. In particular, the federal cap on Medicaid spending will place more financial pressure on the states to rein in costs.

The end result is that, like Arizona, more states will be forced to restrict Medicaid eligibility, cap enrollment, and cut health benefits.

Arizona expanded Medicaid coverage in 2013 following the implementation of the Affordable Care Act.

Commenting on Arizona’s decision to

expand Medicaid, Brewer said (http://www.fox10phoenix.com/politics/242058854-story)

“It saved lives,

it insured more people,

it brought money into the state,

it kept rural hospitals from being closed down.

And today there are tens of thousands of people that are very, very grateful.”

What I care about most as an aspiring surgeon is that my patients have the peace of mind that, regardless of their incomes, locations, or medical conditions,

they won’t have to decide between their health or their homes.

If the Senate passes this bill, more Americans are likely to have to face that impossible choice.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2017/06/arizona_provides_a_bleak_preview_of_america_under_ the_ahca.html

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the draft contains only $2 billion for opioid-related programs, a number that could easily be boosted to win over Midwestern Republicans.

But other gaps will be much harder to overcome, particularly with conservatives demanding a fuller repeal of Obamacare and moderates uneasy about the phaseout of the original law’s Medicaid expansion.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-23/senate-holdouts-seek-upper-hand-in-perilous-health-bill-talks

Ayn Rand Paul and Krazy Kruz say the bill isn't mean, nasty enough. Fuck KY, Fuck TX.

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 The Senate GOP Isn’t Fixing Health Care. It’s Waging Class War.

A draft bill released Thursday offers tax cuts to the rich at the expense of the poor and the elderly.

It just makes Obamacare worse. And while the basic structure of Obamacare survives—albeit in withered form—the Senate bill radically reshapes the traditional Medicaid program, which covers 59 million Americans.

It’s a tax cut for the rich paid for by gouging coverage for the poor and the elderly. One of the most significant tax cuts is on investment income earned by people making more than $200,000 a year.

Pharmaceutical companies, insurers, and other corporations also benefit from tax cuts in the bill.

(By the way, the 13 men responsible for writing it received an average of$214,000 in campaign contributions (https://maplight.org/story/senators-drafting-secret-health-care-bill-backed-by-insurance-and-pharma-campaign-money/) from insurance and pharmaceutical companies between 2010 and November of last year.)

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-senate-gop-isnt-fixing-health-care-theyre-waging-class-war/

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC78FpdXYAADAik.jpg:large

Because that means insurance companies would no longer be required to cover

critical preventatives services like

mammograms,

colon cancer screenings,

vaccinations,

check-ups.

No longer required to cover

prescription drugs,

pregnancy and childbirth,

emergency room visits and more.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC7937JXoAAvyrA.jpg:large

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/22/1674202/-Here-s-the-simplest-takedown-of-the-Republican-scheme-to-take-away-health-care-from-millions?detail=emaildkre

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Republicans Would Cut Services That Reduce Abortions

"It strikes me as odd that the people who are ideologically driven to reduce abortion in this country

are going to reduce the very services that make abortion unnecessary.

So, hundreds of thousands of women got their birth control through Medicaid coverage because it was a preventive service,

and as a result of that,

we've seen the lowest number of abortions in this country since it became legal."

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/41052-by-defunding-planned-parenthood-republicans-would-cut-services-that-reduce-abortions

[RandomGuy]

One has to wonder if they are setting it up to fail.

They know they can't do anything like what they promised, so they are making all sound and fury signifying nothing so that the vulnerable ones can look like they did something.

What a bunch of cynical twats.

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HELLER NO: Nevada Republican Calls ACA Repeal A LIE

“I cannot support a piece of legislation that takes away insurance from tens of millions of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Nevadans,” Heller said in a presser this afternoon.

Beyond the awful Medicaid cuts, Heller also doesn’t buy the argument that the way to bring down insurance premiums is to eliminate essential health benefits, which would result in “cheaper” policies that wouldn’t provide adequate coverage.

That’s not just bad policy, he says. It’s a lie, a dirty no-good lie

https://wonkette.com/619087/heller-no-nevada-republican-calls-aca-repeal-a-lie

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as result, Pence goes out to destroy Heller

All Hell Breaks Loose On Healthcare As Pence Allied PAC Launches Massive Ad Attack On Dean Heller

The super PAC that Vice President Mike Pence is allied with is getting ready to launch a seven-figure attack ad buy on Republican Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada


The fact that a PAC that a sitting Vice President is allied with is going to attack a vulnerable incumbent member of their own party who is up for reelection next year because he won’t support a health care bill that is bad for the people of his state shows where the Republican Party is right now.

Trump and Pence’s friends are trying to make an example out of Heller to keep other Republicans in line.

The White House and company aren’t showing leadership.

They are using threats and gangland style intimidation tactics to scare members of their own party into line.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/23/hell-breaks-loose-healthcare-mike-pence-pac-launches-massive-ad-attack-dean-heller.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

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America’s Hospitals Just Loudly Condemned The Senate’s TrumpCare Bill

“From the onset of this debate, America’s hospitals and health systems have been guided by a set of key principles that would protect coverage for Americans,” Rick Pollack, President of the American Hospital Association (AHA), said in a statement just released to the public.

“Unfortunately, the draft bill under discussion in the Senate moves in the opposite direction, particularly for our most vulnerable patients.”


http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/06/22/americas-hospitals-just-loudly-condemned-senates-trumpcare-bill/

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The Secret Oligarchy/Republican Plan to Unravel Medicaid

Here’s how the Senate Republican bill does it. The bill sets a per-person cap on Medicaid spending in each state. That cap looks innocent enough because it rises every year with inflation.But there’s a catch.

Starting 8 years from now, in 2025,

the Senate bill switches its measure of inflation – from how rapidly medical costs are rising, to how rapidly overall costs in the economy are rising.
Yet medical costs are rising faster than overall costs.

They’ll almost surely continue to do so – as America’s elderly population grows, and as new medical devices, technologies, and drugs prolong life.

Which means that after 2025, Medicaid will cover less and less of the costs of health care for the poor and elderly.

Over time, that gap becomes huge. The nonpartisan Urban Institute estimates that

just between 2025 and 2035, about $467 billion less will be spent on Medicaid than would be spent than if Medicaid funding were to keep up with the expected rise in medical costs.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_secret_republican_plan_to_unravel_medicaid_201 70624

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As always, Repugs depend on the ignorance, stupidity, tribalism of their base to fuck over their base

New poll shows majority of Americans are unaware Trumpcare slashes Medicaid

Just 38 percent of people polled knew the Republican health care bill makes major cuts to Medicaid.

https://thinkprogress.org/majority-of-americans-unaware-trumpcare-slashes-medicaid-bd1eb61c4eb0

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Senate GOP expected to add new penalties for the uninsured into their health bill

Senate Republicans are expected to revise their health bill (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/22/15846728/senate-plan-better-care-reconciliation-act)early next week, adding in a provision that could lock Americans out of the individual market for six months if they fail to maintain continuous insurance coverage.

The six-month waiting period would fill a big policy gap in the current Better Care Act, which requires health plans to accept all patients — but doesn’t require all Americans to purchase coverage, as the Affordable Care Act does.

Experts expect (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/22/15856114/senate-health-bill-death-spiral) that this would cause a death spiral, where only the sickest patients purchase coverage and premiums skyrocket.

Senate Republicans appear to have settled on a six-month waiting period as their replacement policy.

This means that those with a break in coverage would need to wait a half-year before they would be eligible to purchase an individual market health insurance plan.

https://www.vox.com/2017/6/24/15867614/senate-health-waiting-period

The vindictive, Repugs aren't done YET punishing and fucking Americans

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Message to Sen. Portman: 220,000 Ohioans with substance abuse coverage will lose it if ACA repealed (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/25/1674077/-Message-to-Sen-Portman-220-000-Ohioans-with-substance-abuse-coverage-will-lose-it-if-ACA-repealed)

a small group of Republicans worked with industry lobbyists to eliminate the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that currently covers 2.8 million people with substance abuse disorders, including 220,000 Ohioans (http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2017/01/12/220-000-in-Ohio-to-lose-addiction-care-with-Obamacare-repeal.html).

Roughly 10,000 people are expected to die from an overdose in Ohio (http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/gop-health-care-plans-will-worsen-opioid-scourge/) alone this year, Sen. Portman. That’s more overdose deaths than the entire nation suffered in 1990.

Some of the treatments available (https://www.addictioncenter.com/rehab-questions/affordable-care-act-obamacare/) under ACA plans include (https://www.addictioncenter.com/rehab-questions/affordable-care-act-obamacare/):



Addiction evaluation
Brief intervention
Addiction treatment medication
Clinic visits
Alcohol and drug testing
Home health visits
Family counseling
Anti-craving medication


“Of all the illnesses, this is one where we’ve seen very dramatic changes and where we stand to lose the most ground if we lose the ACA,”

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/25/1674077/-Message-to-Sen-Portman-220-000-Ohioans-with-substance-abuse-coverage-will-lose-it-if-ACA-repealed?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

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Kellyanne Conway Humiliates Herself With A Huge Lie About Trumpcare Medicaid Cuts

Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway tried to tell a giant lie when she claimed that people aren't going to be tossed off of Medicaid under Trumpcare,

She said,

“If you are currently in Medicaid if you became a recipient through the Obamacare expansion, you are grandfathered in.

We’re talking about in the future.

You know, Obamacare took Medicaid which was designed to help the poor, the needy, the elderly, the sick, the disabled, also children and pregnant women, it took it and it went way above the poverty line, opened it up to many able bodied Americans who should probably find other, who should at least see if there are other options for them.

If they’re able-bodied, and they want to work, then they’ll have employer-sponsored benefits like you, and I do.”http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/25/kellyanne-conway-humiliates-huge-lie-trumpcare-medicaid-cuts.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

why the fuck does the non-Fox media keeping giving this stupid, lying, weasel a national platform?

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Corrupt And Conflicted HHS Sec. Tom Price Falsely Claims CBO Is Wrong About Medicaid Cuts

Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price, who was in the upper tier of wealth among those in Congress, said the CBO is wrong about the impact of Trumpcare cutting $800 billion plus from Medicaid.

Price said the CBO projections on coverage are wrong because: “Anybody’s ability to predict human behavior, without looking at the entire construct, is difficult.” :lol

You probably guessed that Tom Price has some biases he’s not disclosing, and you would be right.

Price has investments in healthcare companies that raise “both ethical and legal questions.” (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/tom-price-health-secretary-insider-trading-allegations/513674/)

Here’s but one example from The Atlantic:

Price has also faced questions about his 2016 investment in the Australian biomedical firm Innate Immunotherapeutics Ltd. Price purchased between $50,000 and $100,000 of stock in the company, which has no approved drugs and has no notable presence in biomedical markets,

but has been buoyed by stock purchases from prominent Republicans with ties to President-elect Donald Trump, including New York Representative Chris Collins, who is the largest shareholder in the company and is also on its board.

Very wealthy men who know little to nothing about real Americans and their access or lack thereof to healthcare, are pushing tax cuts for themselves as healthcare for you.

Glenn Kessler of The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/05/08/decoding-hhs-secretary-prices-spin-on-the-american-health-care-act/?utm_term=.ef84b9be5153) gave the HHS Sec

Four Pinocchios in May when Price was pushing a line about how they weren’t cutting spending in the House bill.

Kessler wrote,

“When you are reducing spending by more than $800 billion over 10 years, you can’t pretend you are boosting spending ‘every single year.’”

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/25/hhs-secretary-tom-price-falsely-claims-cbo-wrong-trumpcare-cutting-843-billion-medicaid.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/25/hhs-secretary-tom-price-falsely-claims-cbo-wrong-trumpcare-cutting-843-billion-medicaid.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

So the Repug strategy is to cut nearly $1T from Medicaid and LIE that they aren't cutting, aren't weakening Medicaid.

The Repug tribe will buy it, and suffer and die from it.

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More LIES from KAC

Kellyanne Conway Tells Addicts That They Need “Will” Not Healthcare Coverage For Treatment

Kellyanne Conway argued on ABC's This Week that the government needs to spend less money on treating opioid addiction, and instead addicts need to rely on "will" to get healthy.

"ObamaCare and else wise, poured money into crises like this and where are we?"


That really was an adviser to the President Of The United States suggesting that

while a crisis of opioid addiction ravages the country, the US should spend less money on drug treatment and instead rely on “will” to solve the problem.

Conway’s comments part of a pattern with the Trump administration.

The White House blames victims instead of solving problems.

According to Trump, poor people aren’t smart enough to be in his administration.

It has become a common belief among Republicans that people are poor because they refuse to work.

In this same This Week interview, Conway suggested that if people want health insurance, they should just get a job.

Addicts don’t any help getting clean because they lack the “will” to kick their addiction.

The Trump White House believes in blaming people, not helping them.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/25/kellyanne-conway-tells-addicts-will-healthcare-coverage-treatment.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

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For the Kock billionaires, Trash Care doesn't fuck the poor, young, disabled hard enough nor fast enough

Conservative Koch network criticizes U.S. Senate healthcare bill

the Senate bill does not go far enough to dismantle former President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law

“We have been disappointed that movement has not been more dramatic toward a full repeal,”

they want to see the Senate bill do more to roll back Obamacare's expansion of the Medicaid program for poor and disabled Americans.

They also contend the bill does not do enough to reform the U.S. healthcare system and cut costs. :lol

Phillips said his organization is prepared to spend as much as $400 million before next year’s congressional elections to advocate for the network’s conservative causes.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-koch-idUSKBN19G0V3?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28Reu ters+Politics+News%29

Krazy Kruz and Ayn Rand Paul also want to screw the Medicaid, etc people harder and faster.

[pgardn]

Trumpcare...

McConell care.
And it's not a repeal.

Let Paul and Cruz die on the vine and bring a Democrat over Mitch.
You know you can do it and please the President. But he might call it mean or a giveaway so ...

There were some basics that BOTH parties know needed fixing. Now, opportunity gone. No leadership.

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The Word "Women" Literally Never Appears in the US Senate’s 142-Page Healthcare Bill


American women of child-bearing age paid somewhere between 52% and 69% more (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jul/02/ruth-bader-ginsburg/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dissent-says-women-pay-68-perc/) in out-of-pocket healthcare costs then men.

The Trump administration’s health-care reform bill now in the Senate, and the version that passed the House this May, will force some women to pay more again.

Specifically, it strips out hundreds of billions of dollars from Medicaid,

the insurance for the poor, which now covers over 50% (http://www.kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/births-financed-by-medicaid/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D) of all births in many US states, and

allows states to opt out of covering “essential” healthcare that includes maternity and newborn care.
The Senate bill was crafted behind closed doors, by 13 men and no women. A search of the language used in the 142-page draft document (https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf) (pdf) shows that womanhood and motherhood are, quite literally, also omitted from most of the bill itself. Here are the few mentions.

The bill uses the word “mother” twice, both in relation to abortion, and specifically to how it will cut health care for women.

The words “maternal” or “maternity” never appear in the bill.

“Pregnancy” is only mentioned in relation to abortion and work requirements, except in one instance, in listing what “Medicaid flexibility programs,” which give states more control of Medicaid resources, should cover:

Pregnancy-related services, including postpartum services for the 12-week period beginning on the last day of a pregnancy.


Abortion is mentioned 11 times.

The bill will allow states to decide that people who receive “medical assistance” need to work in order to qualify, and lays out some rules on those work requirements on page 50. Pregnant women and brand-new mothers cannot be required to work, but the requirement kicks in two months after birth.

States administering a work requirement under this subsection may not apply such requirement to (A) a woman during pregnancy through the end of the month in which the 60-day period (beginning on the last day of her pregnancy) ends.


The word “women” never appears in the Senate bill.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/06/26/word-women-literally-never-appears-us-senates-142-page-healthcare-bill

Repug going full MISOGYNY and pandering Christian Taliban Biblical woman-haters

[spurraider21]

so the word woman never appears and yet "pregnant women and brand-new mothers cannot be required to work, but the requirement kicks in two months after birth"

seems like there is discussion of women, unless they are talking about men who give birth or men who are mothers

you pick the wrong things to be outraged about

[Reck]

Mitch the turtle delayed the vote because he doesn't even have the votes.

The silly July 4th deadline will not be met.

[pgardn]

I'm labeling this another W for Trump because I can.

And, he mopped the floor.

[baseline bum]

I'm labeling this another W for Trump because I can.

And, he mopped the floor.

It is a W for our Dear Leader. One of the things people had been speculating was McConnell wanted to get this out and voted for within the week so that he could be clean of it, pass or fail, and move on to tax cuts. Him delaying the vote shows this wasn't the case. That he is likely close to getting this garbage passed. I'm expecting more cuts to Medicaid and subsidies to get the votes of Cruz, Paul, etc and then the GOP daring Collins and Murkowski to be the two votes to kill the ACA repeal (I imagine Heller's no vote can't be flipped since he has a tough senate campaign in a blue state in 2018). Collins might be hard to flip but Murkowski has already been primaried by a teabagger, so it would be pretty extraordinary to see her go against party on the thing the GOP has been running on since 2009. This passes 50-50 by mid July IMO.

[boutons_deux]

Bitch delays h/c vote until after 4th July recess, so he has more time to buy off recalcitrants, skeptics.

[RandomGuy]

Trumpcare...

McConell care.
And it's not a repeal.

Let Paul and Cruz die on the vine and bring a Democrat over Mitch.
You know you can do it and please the President. But he might call it mean or a giveaway so ...

There were some basics that BOTH parties know needed fixing. Now, opportunity gone. No leadership.

:tu

[pgardn]

It is a W for our Dear Leader. One of the things people had been speculating was McConnell wanted to get this out and voted for within the week so that he could be clean of it, pass or fail, and move on to tax cuts. Him delaying the vote shows this wasn't the case. That he is likely close to getting this garbage passed. I'm expecting more cuts to Medicaid and subsidies to get the votes of Cruz, Paul, etc and then the GOP daring Collins and Murkowski to be the two votes to kill the ACA repeal (I imagine Heller's no vote can't be flipped since he has a tough senate campaign in a blue state in 2018). Collins might be hard to flip but Murkowski has already been primaried by a teabagger, so it would be pretty extraordinary to see her go against party on the thing the GOP has been running on since 2009. This passes 50-50 by mid July IMO.

Well tell Dear Leader, because he is not liking it based on what his people are saying.

[baseline bum]

Bitch delays h/c vote until after 4th July recess, so he has more time to buy off recalcitrants, skeptics.

Then again, McConnell is a lying motherfucker, maybe he's only saying this to get it out of the headlines and he still proceeds with the vote anyways this week.

[Thread]

Then again, McConnell is a lying motherfucker, maybe he's only saying this to get it out of the headlines and he still proceeds with the vote anyways this week.

Oh, wouldn't that be a hoot. A rip off of Obama type shit: Tell the lie first, then follow it with the truth. That way you get the full spectrum of goodness from the chattel. I mean O woulda won anyway, but, using that tact, in tight association with Media again & again & again had me snortin'.

[Pavlov]

What these guys do last eight years?

[SnakeBoy]

It is a W for our Dear Leader. One of the things people had been speculating was McConnell wanted to get this out and voted for within the week so that he could be clean of it, pass or fail, and move on to tax cuts. Him delaying the vote shows this wasn't the case. That he is likely close to getting this garbage passed. I'm expecting more cuts to Medicaid and subsidies to get the votes of Cruz, Paul, etc and then the GOP daring Collins and Murkowski to be the two votes to kill the ACA repeal (I imagine Heller's no vote can't be flipped since he has a tough senate campaign in a blue state in 2018). Collins might be hard to flip but Murkowski has already been primaried by a teabagger, so it would be pretty extraordinary to see her go against party on the thing the GOP has been running on since 2009. This passes 50-50 by mid July IMO.

I think moderates like Collins, Murkoski can be bought off like Obama did with the "louisiana purchase" to buy Landrieu's vote on obamacare.

It's the true believers like Cruz/Paul that will be most difficult but I agree this will probably pass in the end.

[pgardn]

What these guys do last eight years?

Think about repeal.

Replace... Who knew Health Care could be so difficult?
So just leave that for the very last second and try to hide it.

[baseline bum]

I think moderates like Collins, Murkoski can be bought off like Obama did with the "louisiana purchase" to buy Landrieu's vote on obamacare.

It's the true believers like Cruz/Paul that will be most difficult but I agree this will probably pass in the end.

I don't see Cruz as a no vote unless it's symbolic. The only way I could see Cruz voting no is if the bill is dead in the water and McConnell forces a vote anyways just to get rid of it. Then Cruz could spin it as sticking to his principles and waiting for 2018 when the GOP would have a chance at a supermajority that could get them to a full repeal. Collins voting yes would be a bit of a surprise. I don't think she wants the ACA repeal and 15 million kicked off their insurance next year hung around her neck when she is running for governor of Maine. I don't buy for a second that Paul or Lee are hard nos. Heller seems like a hard no. Murkowski is going to decide whether or not this passes, and I think she'll get a huge sweetheart deal on Medicaid for Alaska to shore up that vote. It's going to pass 50 to 50 with Murkowski's the deciding vote.

[boutons_deux]

Trump bombed at GOP Senate health care meeting because he was clueless about what was in the bill


Acccording to one Republican senator, President Donald

Trump may not actually know what is in the bill he was lobbying this afternoon

during a closed-door meeting.Buried in a New York Times recap (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/health-care-bill-trump-pence.html?_r=0) of Tuesday’s GOP meeting with Trump was an anonymous quote from a senate staffer who attended the event at the White House.

“A senator who supports the bill left the meeting at the White House with a sense that the president did not have a grasp of some basic elements of the Senate plan — :lol

and seemed especially

confused when a moderate Republican complained that opponents of the bill would cast it as a massive tax break for the wealthy,” :lol

the Times reported a senate staffer revealed.

The senator also said that Trump said he would navigate tax reform later, and

seemed to ignore the tax implications that are part of the new health bill :lol
.
Trump then went on to declare victory of the meeting.

“I just finished a great meeting with the Republican Senators concerning HealthCare,” he tweeted. “They really want to get it right, unlike OCare!”

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/trump-bombed-at-gop-senate-health-care-meeting-because-he-was-clueless-about-what-was-in-the-bill/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

You People elected a fucking sicko, ignorant asshole of a Klown

[boutons_deux]

Fox News host downplays Trumpcare’s side effects: “We’re all going to die”

If you take the fatalist approach to health care, as one Fox host does, well nothing matters, right?

http://www.salon.com/2017/06/28/fox-news-host-downplays-trumpcares-side-effects-we-are-all-going-to-die/

these Fox bimbos are a shit-stain on women everywhere.

[boutons_deux]

Warren Buffett Just Gave Trumpcare The Perfect Nickname

“If the Republican bill that passed that House had been in effect this year, I would…be given a 17 percent tax cut,”

Buffett said in an interview with PBS Newshour (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/part-2-billionaire-warren-buffett-says-gop-health-reform-bills-relief-rich/), saying

he would personally be given $617,000.

“And the people it’s directed at are couples with $250,000 or more of income.

You could entitle this, you know, Relief for the Rich Act or something.”

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/06/28/warren-buffett-just-gave-trumpcare-perfect-nickname/

btw, Trash, in his meeting with Repugs, appeared to have no idea of the tax-cut for the wealth in the Repug screw-the-poor, saying he would do the tax cut in a separate deal.

[boutons_deux]

Let The Caving Begin! Senate GOP Health Care Surrender Watch

Dean Heller (R-NV): Keep the Medicaid expansion or give more money to traditional Medicaid

Heller, a Medicaid expansion Republican facing a tough reelection next year, has admitted (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/heller-no-on-senate-bill-obamacare)it will be “very difficult” to get his vote. His big ask comes down to either keeping the expansion or boosting—rather than cutting—traditional Medicaid to make up for the shortfall of phasing out the expansion.

Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV): Soften the cuts to Medicaid and boost the tax credits

Prior to the bill’s unveiling, Capito was lobbying for a seven-year phase out of the Medicaid expansion, which includes her state, and $45 billion in opioid funding. The draft bill gave her a three-year phase out and $2 billion, respectively. She has since made clear (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/capito-says-opiod-treatment-carveout-not-enough-sway-vote-obamacare-repeal)that more money for opioid funding alone will not be enough to win her back, and has also said (https://t.co/7SNO90nXKV) she’d like the tax credits to be more generous to older consumers.

Rob Portman (R-OH): More money to opioid programs

Portman was aligned with Capito before the draft release last week. His subsequent statement of opposition (https://www.capito.senate.gov/news/press-releases/capito-portman-announce-opposition-to-current-senate-health-draft) was a little less tough than Capito’s, suggesting a boost in funding for opioid programs, and perhaps Medicaid, may be all that he needs.

Susan Collins (R-ME): Soften Medicaid cuts, protect rural hospitals, and preserve Planned Parenthood funding

Collins was always going be a hard vote for leadership to win over, and sure enough, her statement of opposition that came out before the vote was delayed ran through a litany of issues. From the get go, she was skeptical of the push to defund Planned Parenthood. She is also concerned about the Medicaid cuts and the effect the bill will have on rural hospitals. “It’s difficult for me to see how any tinkering is going to satisfy my fundamental and deep concerns about the impact of the bill,” she said. (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/collins-difficult-to-see-tinkering-change-my-mind)

Lisa Murkowski (R-AK): Preserve Planned Parenthood funding and protect rural areas

Murkowski, like Collins, is no fan of defunding Planned Parenthood and her state is hit particularly hard by the GOP bill. It’s an open question whether there’s an Alaska carveout big enough to be written to assuage her concerns. She hasn’t been too specific with the press on exactly what her ideal bill would look like, and has complained instead that she doesn’t know enough about how the current bill will affect her rural state.

Mike Lee (R-UT): Let states opt out of Obamacare altogether

Lee laid out his argument against the draft bill in a Medium (https://medium.com/@SenMikeLee/the-missing-ingredient-in-bcra-humility-771ce270fd00)post that called it a “caricature of a Republican health care bill” with “with less spending on the poor to pay for corporate bailouts and tax cuts.” What he is seeking, broadly, is for states to be able to opt out of the traces of Obamacare the Republican bill is leaving intact. His spokesperson has pointed specifically (https://twitter.com/Tierney_Megan/status/878441748397252609) to community rating—which prohibits insurers from charging more based on one’s health status—as an area that should be waivable for states.

Rand Paul (R-KY): Nix the tax credits, insurer “bailouts,” and the pseudo-mandate

Paul has railed against the legislation for being “Obamacare-lite,” and what he is a requesting (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-letter-to-mitch-mcconnell-on-obamacare-repeal) is a whole-scale gut job of the current bill’s framework. He opposes the tax credits for individual insurance, the “market subsidization” fund for insurers, and the continuous coverage requirement that replaces Obamacare’s individual mandate. He also wants individuals to have more freedom to create small group insurance pools.

Ted Cruz (R-TX): Let insurers sell skimpier plans

Cruz, in his attempt to abandon his bomb-thrower reputation ahead of his 2018 reelection, has stuck mostly to bland talking points in his conversations with the press. But a leaflet handed out (https://twitter.com/FoxReports/status/877962763493978112/photo/1)after the draft was unveiled more clearly laid out his demands: let insurers sell skimpier plans on the exchanges and a larger overhaul of the Medicaid program.

Ron Johnson (R-WI): Scale back guaranteed issue

Johnson argues that guaranteed issue—Obamacare’s ban on insurer discrimination based on pre-existing conditions—is the main driver or premium increases. Thus, his ideal bill will give insurers more wiggle room to discriminate against high-cost individuals, with funding for some sort of risk program that catches people who fall through the cracks. “The problem is, what’s driven up premiums in Obamacare, they are all these politically popular things that people don’t even want to touch, but the good news, for example, preexisting conditions—you can take care of that, you can take care of people with pre-existing conditions, with an invisible high risk pool,” he said.

Bill Cassidy (R-LA): Preserve protections for pre-existing conditions

If you ask Cassidy, this is not about what he wants, but what President Trump promised on the campaign trail: “The president very explicitly said, over and over again during the campaign, that he wishes to preserve guaranteed issue,” he said Wednesday. Though it looked like he had warmed up to the original draft, his so-called Jimmy Kimmel test that nobody is denied coverage due to inability to pay—may stand in the way of conservatives’ push to further scale back Obamacare’s insurer mandates.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/senate-gop-health-care-surrender-watch?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

that 10 NO / skeptics

Bitch McC has $B to convert them to YES, can he buy 8 of them?

[boutons_deux]

Why the Medicaid Cap is the Most Horrid Part of the Better Care Reconciliation Act (BCRA) (http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/06/medicaid-cap-horrid-part-better-care-reconciliation-act-bcra.html)

Medicaid caps will permanently crapify the program, and hence are far worse than one-time cuts in the rolls, bad as those are.

“The Downstream Consequences Of Per Capita Spending Caps In Medicaid (http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2017/06/26/the-downstream-consequences-of-per-capita-spending-caps-in-medicaid/)“:

Recent federal reform proposals from House and Senate republicans would change the current financing system in which the federal government guarantees a share of total program spending to states to one limiting federal cost exposure by setting a per capita cap on federal payments to a state.

A change in the Medicaid program to a per capita cap financing system is included in the House-passed American Health Care Act (AHCA) and in the Senate-proposed Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017 currently under consideration. With the Congressional Budget Office estimating that the Medicaid proposals in the AHCA will cut federal Medicaid spending by 25 percent by 2026, much attention has been given to the effects of such cuts on decreasing the number of individuals enrolled in Medicaid and increasing state budgets. Much less attention, however, has been given to a related but critical question: How do the reforms affect who enrolls in and gets care under Medicaid? From the lens of economics, we draw an analogy to per capita payments in health insurance markets and explain how the currently proposed reforms threaten the core programmatic purpose of Medicaid by incentivizing states to limit care and coverage to the states’ most vulnerable residents.


And:

Federal funding for Medicaid creates a national safety-net[3] health insurance program. Without federal funding, one might expect a classic “race to the bottom” among states to reduce state spending (and the accompanying taxes) by weakening their Medicaid programs. Federal policy for Medicaid prevents the race to the bottom by conditioning funding on both state spending and on the fulfilment of certain safety-net requirements, such as eligibility for statutory categories of individuals and benefit and access requirements.


(You say “race to the bottom” like that’s a bad thing!) Here’s how the caps would work:

It is not hard to envision Medicaid, under a per capita spending cap system, working as poorly as the early version of Medicare Advantage. While states are not for-profit insurers, as they grow to understand that it is financially difficult (or even impossible) for them to enroll a disproportionate number of sick individuals in Medicaid, they will likely shift enrollment efforts to less “risky” groups, such as the healthy and the young. States may be less eager to enroll or reenroll sick Medicaid recipients. Such incentives could, for example, manifest in the form of fewer enrollers at and less streamlined enrollment procedures for safety-net hospitals. At the same time, states may be much more likely to send enrollers to schools or community health centers where they can find young relatively healthy children and families. Alternatively, states could take a page out of the Medicare Advantage playbook and modify the services they offer to make them more attractive to young families and less attractive to older, sicker individuals.


Won’t that be great?

Dealing with Medicaid is going to be like dealing with a private health insurance company, because under the BCRA, the incentives are so similar!

(And because conservatives, like Tories,

play the long game, a crapified Medicaid will be ripe for ultimate abolition.)

And yes, this will happen:

A key question is whether or not such economic incentives are strong enough for states to act upon. The case seems clear that they are. While per capita cap proposals do specify different payments for each eligibility group, there is enormous variation in spending across and within eligibility groups in a given state that creates obvious “winners” and “losers” from the state’s point of view



In contrast, under a block grant or per capita cap model, federal Medicaid spending would rise at a specified growth rate, irrespective of the actual rise in Medicaid spending in a state.


Translating, caps would make it impossible to fund health care for an epidemic under Medicaid. Jackpot! More:

Limits on federal spending could put pressure on states to limit Medicaid spending over time, if Medicaid spending increased faster than the growth in federal contributions.


http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/06/medicaid-cap-horrid-part-better-care-reconciliation-act-bcra.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NakedCapitalism+%28naked+capi talism%29 (http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/06/medicaid-cap-horrid-part-better-care-reconciliation-act-bcra.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NakedCapitalism+%28naked+capi talism%29)

As with Price crapifying ACA without input from Congress so ACA fails, Repugs plan to use Trashcare to fuckup Medicare and Medicaid so Repugs can "LBJ 1960s shit don't work, we're killing it"

[RandomGuy]

Trump bombed at GOP Senate health care meeting because he was clueless about what was in the bill


Acccording to one Republican senator, President Donald

Trump may not actually know what is in the bill he was lobbying this afternoon

during a closed-door meeting.Buried in a New York Times recap (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/health-care-bill-trump-pence.html?_r=0) of Tuesday’s GOP meeting with Trump was an anonymous quote from a senate staffer who attended the event at the White House.

“A senator who supports the bill left the meeting at the White House with a sense that the president did not have a grasp of some basic elements of the Senate plan — :lol

and seemed especially

confused when a moderate Republican complained that opponents of the bill would cast it as a massive tax break for the wealthy,” :lol

the Times reported a senate staffer revealed.

The senator also said that Trump said he would navigate tax reform later, and

seemed to ignore the tax implications that are part of the new health bill :lol
.
Trump then went on to declare victory of the meeting.

“I just finished a great meeting with the Republican Senators concerning HealthCare,” he tweeted. “They really want to get it right, unlike OCare!”

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/trump-bombed-at-gop-senate-health-care-meeting-because-he-was-clueless-about-what-was-in-the-bill/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

You People elected a fucking sicko, ignorant asshole of a Klown




Stupid mother fucker doesn't read shit, this is what happens.

[RandomGuy]

Let The Caving Begin! Senate GOP Health Care Surrender Watch

Dean Heller (R-NV): Keep the Medicaid expansion or give more money to traditional Medicaid

Heller, a Medicaid expansion Republican facing a tough reelection next year, has admitted (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/heller-no-on-senate-bill-obamacare)it will be “very difficult” to get his vote. His big ask comes down to either keeping the expansion or boosting—rather than cutting—traditional Medicaid to make up for the shortfall of phasing out the expansion.

Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV): Soften the cuts to Medicaid and boost the tax credits

Prior to the bill’s unveiling, Capito was lobbying for a seven-year phase out of the Medicaid expansion, which includes her state, and $45 billion in opioid funding. The draft bill gave her a three-year phase out and $2 billion, respectively. She has since made clear (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/capito-says-opiod-treatment-carveout-not-enough-sway-vote-obamacare-repeal)that more money for opioid funding alone will not be enough to win her back, and has also said (https://t.co/7SNO90nXKV) she’d like the tax credits to be more generous to older consumers.

Rob Portman (R-OH): More money to opioid programs

Portman was aligned with Capito before the draft release last week. His subsequent statement of opposition (https://www.capito.senate.gov/news/press-releases/capito-portman-announce-opposition-to-current-senate-health-draft) was a little less tough than Capito’s, suggesting a boost in funding for opioid programs, and perhaps Medicaid, may be all that he needs.

Susan Collins (R-ME): Soften Medicaid cuts, protect rural hospitals, and preserve Planned Parenthood funding

Collins was always going be a hard vote for leadership to win over, and sure enough, her statement of opposition that came out before the vote was delayed ran through a litany of issues. From the get go, she was skeptical of the push to defund Planned Parenthood. She is also concerned about the Medicaid cuts and the effect the bill will have on rural hospitals. “It’s difficult for me to see how any tinkering is going to satisfy my fundamental and deep concerns about the impact of the bill,” she said. (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/collins-difficult-to-see-tinkering-change-my-mind)

Lisa Murkowski (R-AK): Preserve Planned Parenthood funding and protect rural areas

Murkowski, like Collins, is no fan of defunding Planned Parenthood and her state is hit particularly hard by the GOP bill. It’s an open question whether there’s an Alaska carveout big enough to be written to assuage her concerns. She hasn’t been too specific with the press on exactly what her ideal bill would look like, and has complained instead that she doesn’t know enough about how the current bill will affect her rural state.

Mike Lee (R-UT): Let states opt out of Obamacare altogether

Lee laid out his argument against the draft bill in a Medium (https://medium.com/@SenMikeLee/the-missing-ingredient-in-bcra-humility-771ce270fd00)post that called it a “caricature of a Republican health care bill” with “with less spending on the poor to pay for corporate bailouts and tax cuts.” What he is seeking, broadly, is for states to be able to opt out of the traces of Obamacare the Republican bill is leaving intact. His spokesperson has pointed specifically (https://twitter.com/Tierney_Megan/status/878441748397252609) to community rating—which prohibits insurers from charging more based on one’s health status—as an area that should be waivable for states.

Rand Paul (R-KY): Nix the tax credits, insurer “bailouts,” and the pseudo-mandate

Paul has railed against the legislation for being “Obamacare-lite,” and what he is a requesting (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-letter-to-mitch-mcconnell-on-obamacare-repeal) is a whole-scale gut job of the current bill’s framework. He opposes the tax credits for individual insurance, the “market subsidization” fund for insurers, and the continuous coverage requirement that replaces Obamacare’s individual mandate. He also wants individuals to have more freedom to create small group insurance pools.

Ted Cruz (R-TX): Let insurers sell skimpier plans

Cruz, in his attempt to abandon his bomb-thrower reputation ahead of his 2018 reelection, has stuck mostly to bland talking points in his conversations with the press. But a leaflet handed out (https://twitter.com/FoxReports/status/877962763493978112/photo/1)after the draft was unveiled more clearly laid out his demands: let insurers sell skimpier plans on the exchanges and a larger overhaul of the Medicaid program.

Ron Johnson (R-WI): Scale back guaranteed issue

Johnson argues that guaranteed issue—Obamacare’s ban on insurer discrimination based on pre-existing conditions—is the main driver or premium increases. Thus, his ideal bill will give insurers more wiggle room to discriminate against high-cost individuals, with funding for some sort of risk program that catches people who fall through the cracks. “The problem is, what’s driven up premiums in Obamacare, they are all these politically popular things that people don’t even want to touch, but the good news, for example, preexisting conditions—you can take care of that, you can take care of people with pre-existing conditions, with an invisible high risk pool,” he said.

Bill Cassidy (R-LA): Preserve protections for pre-existing conditions

If you ask Cassidy, this is not about what he wants, but what President Trump promised on the campaign trail: “The president very explicitly said, over and over again during the campaign, that he wishes to preserve guaranteed issue,” he said Wednesday. Though it looked like he had warmed up to the original draft, his so-called Jimmy Kimmel test that nobody is denied coverage due to inability to pay—may stand in the way of conservatives’ push to further scale back Obamacare’s insurer mandates.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/senate-gop-health-care-surrender-watch?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

that 10 NO / skeptics

Bitch McC has $B to convert them to YES, can he buy 8 of them?




No money for opiod addiction.

Put them in jail, like the other druggies. Spend more on prisons.

[RandomGuy]

Veterans need Medicaid too — and are speaking out against GOP health care bill


https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-need-medicaid-speaking-gop-health-care-bill-005909615.html

[boutons_deux]

Trash: Just repeal Obamacare now, they'll be desperate for whatever we give them

With Senate Republicans struggling to come to a consensus on Trumpcare, the repeal and replacement for the Affordable Care Act, Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) made a radical, scorched earth proposal to popular vote loser Donald Trump, and of course Trump bit.

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

If Republican Senators are unable to pass what they are working on now, they should immediately REPEAL, and then REPLACE at a later date!
5:37 AM - 30 Jun 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/880737163247267840)

https://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/30/1676685/-Trump-Just-repeal-Obamacare-now-they-ll-be-desperate-for-whatever-we-give-them?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

[baseline bum]

Trash: Just repeal Obamacare now, they'll be desperate for whatever we give them

With Senate Republicans struggling to come to a consensus on Trumpcare, the repeal and replacement for the Affordable Care Act, Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) made a radical, scorched earth proposal to popular vote loser Donald Trump, and of course Trump bit.

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

If Republican Senators are unable to pass what they are working on now, they should immediately REPEAL, and then REPLACE at a later date!
5:37 AM - 30 Jun 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/880737163247267840)

https://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/30/1676685/-Trump-Just-repeal-Obamacare-now-they-ll-be-desperate-for-whatever-we-give-them?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29


LOL of course this bill was going to move right.

[boutons_deux]

See which states would be hit hardest by the Senate’s Obamacare repeal bill

West Virginia would see its uninsured rate more than quadruple by 2022.

In Kentucky and Arkansas the uninsured rate would more than triple.

All three states strongly supported Donald Trump in the presidential election.

Rust Belt states, such as Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan, would also see large increases in the uninsured rate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/obamacare-repeal-coverage-loss/?utm_term=.8a70940ce964&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

[boutons_deux]

Have an employer health plan? You too could lose it under Trumpcare (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/29/1676191/-Have-an-employer-health-plan-You-too-could-lose-it-under-Trumpcare)

Do you have health insurance from your employer and think that means you're out of danger from Trumpcare? Not so fast. The Congressional Budget Office had bad news for just about everyone in its score, and that includes (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/339555-cbo-estimates-4m-would-lose-employer-provided-coverage-under-gop-plan) 4 million people with employer-based insurance.


The nonpartisan budget analyst attributed the drop to the GOP's plan to repeal ObamaCare's two central mandates:

the requirement to have health insurance and the requirement that most large employers provide it.

"Under current law, the prospect of paying the employer mandate penalty tips the scale for some businesses and causes them to decide to offer health insurance to their employees.

Thus, eliminating that penalty would cause some employers to not offer health insurance," the CBO wrote.

"Similarly, the demand for insurance among employees is greater under current law because some employees want employment-based coverage so that they can avoid paying the individual mandate penalty.

Eliminating that penalty would reduce such demand and would cause some employers to not offer coverage or some employees to not enroll in coverage they were offered."


There are other problems for people with employer-based insurance because repealing the Affordable Care Act means getting rid of protections that everyone on private insurance enjoys.

Like having preventive care covered without an additional co-pay.

Or knowing that you couldn't be charged exorbitant premiums and copays for the treatments your pre-existing condition requires.

Or knowing that if you or someone in your family is struck with a debilitating disease, you won't be facing any caps on what your insurance will pay to keep you healthy.

Or alive.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/29/1676191/-Have-an-employer-health-plan-You-too-could-lose-it-under-Trumpcare?detail=emaildkre

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A new poll shows the health care bill could crush Senate Republicans

The poll numbers for Senate Republican candidates take an approximately 30-point hit when voters learn they’re supporting their party’s bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, according to a poll set to be released on Friday.

The poll found that, in a vacuum, voters in 10 battleground states are split almost evenly about Republican senate candidates — with 21 percent of voters viewing them favorably and 20 percent viewing them unfavorably.

But when told their Republican senate candidates supported the GOP’s health care bill, voters turned sharply against their representatives. In that case,

the candidates’ unfavorability rating jumps from 21 percent to 52 percent

, according to the new polling from Priorities USA and Senate Majority PAC.

The numbers are even more dramatic when the polling is mixed in with attacks on the GOP health bill. “After hearing criticisms of the Republican plan, voters in these Senate battlegrounds

went from leaning toward voting the Democrat in 2018 by a healthy 48-38 margin, to leaning toward the Democrat by an even more robust 56-35 margin — an 11-point jump,”

the poll stated.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/30/15900564/health-bill-politics-midterms

[rmt]

Well then, you ought to be cheering real hard for it to pass so the Dems can wipe out the Repubs and put in your desired single payer.

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s Health Department Just Admitted That Obamacare Is “Working As Intended”

Last week, President Trump said: “ObamaCare is dying. It’s essentially dead.” (https://www.c-span.org/video/?430638-1/president-confident-republicans-will-deliver-health-care)

However, a report from within Trump’s own Department of Health & Human Resources (https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Programs-and-Initiatives/Premium-Stabilization-Programs/Downloads/Summary-Reinsurance-Payments-Risk-2016.pdf)appears to give the lie to the President’s oft-repeated claims, and the Republican’s main reason for repealing and replacing the national health care program instituted in 2009 by President Obama.

It “seems to contradict claims that the individual health insurance market is collapsing,” write Timothy Jost, co-author of the widely used textbook Health Law, and a recognized expert on ObamaCare, writing on the Health Affairs blog. (http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2017/07/01/cms-releases-2016-aca-marketplace-reinsurance-and-risk-adjustment-data/)


Through 2016, it reports, the Affordable Care Act (aka ObamaCare) is

“working as intended in compensating plans that enrolled high-risk individuals, thereby protecting issuers (insurance companies) against adverse selection within a market within a state and supporting them in offering products that serve all types of consumers.”

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/05/trumps-health-department-just-admitted-obamacare-working-intended/

[boutons_deux]

Republican Party Asked For Obamacare Horror Stories And It Just Backfired In The Best Way

( lots of SUCCESS stories for Obamacare! )

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/04/republican-party-asked-obamacare-horror-stories-just-backfired-best-way/

[boutons_deux]

One patient at the Mountain Valleys clinic in Bieber, Kay Roope, 64, knew she had Medi-Cal, and she liked it.

"It did me good," she says.

Now she has a subsidized commercial plan through Covered California with modest premiums and copays, and she likes that, too.
"It's OK, 'cause I'm at the doctor's at least once a month," she says.

But when asked what she thinks of Obamacare overall, she says she doesn't like it.

"Because of Obama himself," she says with a laugh. "I rest my case." :lol

The confusion and the contradictions are common among patients, explains Morris, the enrollment counselor.

"People just don't understand the different names," she says. "But of course, it's the same thing."

Morris has seen the difference the Affordable Care Act has made for people in the region.

She has seen patients get treatment for diabetes and breast cancer, or get knee surgery that they otherwise wouldn't have gotten.

Those patients won't fight for Obamacare, Morris says, so that's why the clinics have to.

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/7/5/1678174/--I-Don-t-Like-Obamacare-Because-of-Obama-Says-Woman-on-Obamacare?detail=emaildkre

rurals, in general, are really stupid, ignorant, poor fucks, with 10Ms living off handouts from richer, smarter urban taxpayers.

[boutons_deux]

John Cornyn channels Trump, takes to Twitter to say freedom means having no insurance (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/6/1678303/-John-Cornyn-channels-Trump-takes-to-Twitter-to-say-freedom-means-having-no-insurance)

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/7/6/1678303/-John-Cornyn-channels-Trump-takes-to-Twitter-to-say-freedom-means-having-no-insurance

[boutons_deux]

Bitch McConnell Just Threw In The Towel On Replacing Obamacare

it sure sounds like he was waving a white flag today (http://www.kiro7.com/news/gop-leader-acknowledges-health-care-drive-may-fall-short/551682344)in a speech before a conservative audience at a Rotary Club in Glasgow, Kentucky.

McConnell began scratching out a position (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/340890-mcconnell-signals-doubts-about-obamacare-vote) that might help his fellow party members survive in their cushy jobs for a while longer instead of being chewed up and spit out in the November 2018 election.

After years of blasting ObamaCare and calling it “failed” and “dead,” McConnell admitted it may have to be saved to stop the total collapse of the private insurance market – and he could have added, a political disaster for Republicans.

apparently what he is hearing is that he is not even close to the 50 votes out of 53 Republicans he needs for passage of TrumpCare.

To significantly alter the bill in the Senate from what the House passed (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-insurance-idUSKBN19R2Z3)would require at least 60 votes, and McConnell knows he will never get that because Democrats are united in their demand that ObamaCare continues

To significantly alter the bill in the Senate from what the House passed (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-insurance-idUSKBN19R2Z3)would require at least 60 votes, and McConnell knows he will never get that because Democrats are united in their demand that ObamaCare continues


“No action is not an alternative,”

McConnell said (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/06/mitch-mcconnell-says-limited-bill-needed-if-obamacare-repeal-bill-dies.html)

. “We’ve got the insurance markets imploding all over the country, including in this state.”


a report issued by the Department of Health & Human Services (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-cms-risk-report-20170703-story.html) showed that contrary to what McConnell, Trump and House Speaker Paul Ryan have been saying,

ObamaCare has been working very well. It has provided stability for insurers and kept costs under control for consumers.

Trump has been starving the insurance risk pools to create a self-fulfilling prophecy that ObamaCare is failing.

Now McConnell says that letting the insurance market collapse is not an option.

He seems to be sending a signal that he will negotiate with Democrats to prop up ObamaCare and keep most Americans insured – despite Trump’s insane ranting and threats.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/06/mitch-mcconnell-just-threw-towel-replacing-obamacare/

[boutons_deux]

This dirty little secret is the real reason why repeal is so hard for Republicans

the GOP debate over repeal has actually revealed that there is a surprising amount of hidden consensus on health care.

In a nutshell, what the debate has really shown is that

the passage and implementation of the ACA has given rise to a latent majority in Congress — or at least one in the Senate — that has more or less made peace with the ACA’s spending and regulatory architecture and its fundamental ideological goals, either for political or principled reasons, or for some combination of the two.

The debate has forced this basic reality out into the open. And this, I think, is

one key reason it is proving so hard for the GOP to repeal it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/07/07/this-dirty-little-secret-is-the-real-reason-why-repeal-is-so-hard-for-republicans/?utm_term=.05693814ee96&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

Will humanitarianism For The People win out over the oligarchy's / GOP's blind, inhumane, sadistic ideology ?

[rmt]

boutons, what ACA has basically done is expanded Medicaid to able-bodied, healthy people. We cannot afford this but the GOP is too gutless/spineless to do what is right for the country and put a stop to this expansion. They need to put work requirements on Medicaid for all able-bodied people. All those so-called jobs that so many think Americans don't want to do should be incorporated into any welfare given out to able-bodied people. I'm happy to pay for the disabled, children, etc who can't fend for themselves but not for the able-bodied. Stop with the illegal immigration and put Americans to work.

[boutons_deux]

boutons, what ACA has basically done is expanded Medicaid to able-bodied, healthy people. We cannot afford this but the GOP is too gutless/spineless to do what is right for the country and put a stop to this expansion. They need to put work requirements on Medicaid for all able-bodied people. All those so-called jobs that so many think Americans don't want to do should be incorporated into any welfare given out to able-bodied people. I'm happy to pay for the disabled, children, etc who can't fend for themselves but not for the able-bodied. Stop with the illegal immigration and put Americans to work.

goddam you're stupid.

If the Fed/state govt can't afford to pay Medicaid bills, how will Medicaid recipients? they won't, they will suffer and die from Repug DEATH PANELS.

If BigCorp and the 1% paid their fare share of taxes (the wealthy hide up to 30% of their fantastic wealth from the taxman, BigCorp hides $Ts of profits overseas), America could be great country, instead of crumbling, punitive, vindictive, brutalizing, sociopathic country

Most Medicaid recipients are WHITE PEOPLE, and most Medicaid recipients already work.

Even if you did inform yourself, it wouldn't overcome your blind, stupefying ideology.

goddam you're stupid.

[rmt]

goddam you're stupid.

If the Fed/state govt can't afford to pay Medicaid bills, how will Medicaid recipients? they won't, they will suffer and die from Repug DEATH PANELS.

If BigCorp and the 1% paid their fare share of taxes (the wealthy hide up to 30% of their fantastic wealth from the taxman, BigCorp hides $Ts of profits overseas), America could be great country, instead of crumbling, punitive, vindictive, brutalizing, sociopathic country

Most Medicaid recipients are WHITE PEOPLE, and most Medicaid recipients already work.

Even if you did inform yourself, it wouldn't overcome your blind, stupefying ideology.

goddam you're stupid.

I don't recall millions of people dying on the streets before ACA was implemented. And what difference do you think saying that most Medicaid people are WHITE makes to me? I should be calling you out as racist for that comment.

Anyway, gonna see Paul McCartney tonight - my last chance before he dies off like so many of these singers - up there in age.

[tlongII]

I don't recall millions of people dying on the streets before ACA was implemented. And what difference do you think saying that most Medicaid people are WHITE makes to me? I should be calling you out as racist for that comment.

Anyway, gonna see Paul McCartney tonight - my last chance before he dies off like so many of these singers - up there in age.

That should be a good show. I saw him at Desert Trip last year and he was excellent. :tu

[boutons_deux]

I don't recall millions of people dying on the streets before ACA was implemented. And what difference do you think saying that most Medicaid people are WHITE makes to me? I should be calling you out as racist for that comment.

"millions of people dying on the streets before ACA" you said that red herring, I didn't

most of you rightwingnut ideologues, and esp the wealthy assholes, are actually racists who don't want to pay for Medicaid because it helps black people (lazy, cheaters, fraud, refuse to work), but it helps Ms more white people

[boutons_deux]

:lol L O S E R S !

G.O.P. Support of Senate Health Repeal Erodes During Break

usually reliable Republican senators from red states blanched at its impact on rural communities.

their seven-year promise to dismantle President Barack Obama’s largest policy achievement is deeply imperiled.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/us/politics/republicans-health-care-bill.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
L O S E R S !

Trash: "day one!" :lol

[baseline bum]

boutons doing an end zone dance after getting a first down

[boutons_deux]

aint gonna pass and now Bitch McC said Repugs would have to continue to subsidize it to keep it from collapsing. :lol

and no oligarchy tax cut.

[baseline bum]

aint gonna pass and now Bitch McC said Repugs would have to continue to subsidize it to keep it from collapsing. :lol

and no oligarchy tax cut.

Just like last time in the house?

[boutons_deux]

Trump Comes Up With A New Dumb Plan To Save His Healthcare Bill By Using Fake Numbers

Trump's new dumb idea is to woo Senate Republicans into supporting his bill by using numbers from conservative groups to dispute the CBO finding that 22 million people will lose their coverage under Trumpcar

“When Trump returns from Europe, he plans to counter the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office’s analysis of the legislation — which shows that 22 million fewer people would have insurance coverage by 2026 than under the current law —

with figures and analyses from conservative groups and Republicans that show more benefits and less disruption, :lol :lol

should the bill pass, according to a White House official familiar with the strategy.”

The White House plan assumes that the Republicans who aren’t supporting the bill are as a dumb as their president. Senate Republicans who are opposing the bill aren’t doing on the basis of a CBO score alone.

It doesn’t matter what kind of funny math Trump and his allies come up with, the bill cuts Medicaid and takes coverage away from tens of millions of people.

It is probably not the CBO number that has GOP Senators worried,

but the

dismal approval ratings for this legislation. (https://www.axios.com/unpopular-health-care-bill-2454397857.html)

Senate Republicans could overlook a lot the bill’s problems, but the fact that

it is nearly universally despised is tough to get around.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/08/trump-dumb-plan-save-healthcare-bill-fake-numbers.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/08/trump-dumb-plan-save-healthcare-bill-fake-numbers.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

Trash and Repugs continue to be reliable Decepticons trying to force through the huge tax cut for their oligarchy johns.

[boutons_deux]

Just another decepticon Repug LIE, trying to block ACA back in 2009.

Obamacare, still not killing any jobs (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/7/1678733/-Obamacare-still-not-killing-any-jobs)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEImFbYXgAAjICH.jpg

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/7/7/1678733/-Obamacare-still-not-killing-any-jobs?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

[boutons_deux]

Why Obamacare’s Loudest Critics Aren’t as Loud Anymore

Members of Congress returning home for the July 4 recess last week were met with rallies, sit-ins (http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/30/politics/protest-denver-cory-gardner-office/index.html) and Independence Day demonstrators, as activists on the left intensified their push to defeat Republican legislation to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

The groups on the right that once fueled the party’s anti-Obamacare fervor might as well have been on vacation.

“Not too many are focused on health care currently,” :lol

Instead of health care, he said, the organization’s state chapters were holding town hall-style meetings about veterans’ (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/340932-cruz-faces-obamacare-repeal-pushback-during-veterans-event) concerns during recess week.

Two other major groups, FreedomWorks (http://www.freedomworks.org/) and the Tea Party Patriots (http://www.teapartypatriots.org/), said they were planning rallies in August and September that would push for an overhaul of the tax code; Americans for Prosperity was already running ads toward that.

(https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/health/why-obamacares-loudest-critics-arent-as-loud-anymore.html?partner=rss&emc=rss#story-continues-1)The shift in priorities is remarkable.

Since the summer of 2009, when Tea Party activists angrily confronted (http://www.politico.com/story/2009/07/town-halls-gone-wild-025646) Democrats who were drafting the Affordable Care Act, the Republican Party has been driven and defined by outrage over it. But now, with the Republican health care legislation hanging in the balance,

President Trump and congressional leaders are getting little support from what were once the loudest anti-Obamacare voices.

The lack of grass-roots enthusiasm will make it even harder for the party’s Senate leaders to line up votes for their troubled bill (https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf) when they return on Monday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/health/why-obamacares-loudest-critics-arent-as-loud-anymore.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

:lol Trash/Repugs FUCKED themselves into LOSERS

[pgardn]

:lol L O S E R S !

G.O.P. Support of Senate Health Repeal Erodes During Break

usually reliable Republican senators from red states blanched at its impact on rural communities.

their seven-year promise to dismantle President Barack Obama’s largest policy achievement is deeply imperiled.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/us/politics/republicans-health-care-bill.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
L O S E R S !

Trash: "day one!" :lol



Have a beer.
Smoke a pipe with sweet hickory tabacky.

[boutons_deux]

Republican lawmakers move to cash in on healthcare repeal by buying up stock in insurance companies (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/8/1678934/-Republican-Lawmakers-Move-to-Cash-in-On-Their-Health-Care-Repeal-Buying-Up-Stock-in-Insurance-Cos)

Who knew kicking 22 million people out of their health insurance could be so lucrative? (https://theintercept.com/2017/07/06/republican-lawmakers-buy-health-insurance-stocks-as-repeal-effort-moves-forward/)


Just as the Republican bill to slash much of the Affordable Care Act moved forward, Rep. Mike Conaway, a Texas Republican and member of Speaker Paul Ryan’s leadership team, added a health insurance company to his portfolio.
An account owned by Conaway’s wife made

two purchases (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3889817-Conaway1.html) of UnitedHealth stock, worth as much as $30,000, on March 24th, the day the legislation advanced (https://www.congress.gov/115/crpt/hrpt58/CRPT-115hrpt58.pdf#page=2) in the House Rules Committee, according to disclosures.


Health care stocks have soared in recent weeks as insurance companies salivate over the prospect of gouging more Americans with inflated premiums and cuts in benefits.

The Republicans have also promised to loosen the regulations that prohibit these same companies from denying coverage to whomever they choose, which promises to bump up the share price of conglomerates like United Health.
Conaway was not the only Republican cashing in on his plans for other people’s sickness and death:

As the health care system overhaul advanced last month on the other side of Capitol Hill, Republican

Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma purchased (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3889814-Inhofe1.html) between $50,000 to $100,000 in UnitedHealth stock.

The stink of corruption has apparently become so normalized in Republican ranks that they’ve become completely desensitized to it. In Conaway’s case, however, enriching himself with insider information had already passed his personal smell test:

Conaway, who serves as a GOP deputy whip in the House, has a long record of investing in firms that coincide with his official duties.

Politico reported (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/14/congress-stock-trading-conflict-of-interest-rules-238033) that

Conaway’s wife purchased stock in a nuclear firm just after Conaway sponsored a bill to deal with nuclear waste storage in his district. The firm stood to directly benefit from the legislation.

In 2012 Congress made a big show of passing something called the

STOCK act in an apparent attempt to curb insider trading among lawmakers and their staff. The bill was subsequently watered down and partially repealed (https://www.reuters.com/article/net-us-usa-congress-security-idUSBRE93B0ZJ20130412), specifically those provisions which would have made congresspersons’ stock transactions accessible to the public. And when the Securities & Exchange Commission moved forward

with its first investigation of alleged violations of the act, the Republican-led Congress filed a brief with the SEC claiming the act could not be applied. (https://theintercept.com/2015/05/07/congress-argues-cant-investigated-insider-trading/)


It’s worth noting that, for the ordinary investor, it’s rarely wise to buy and sell individual stocks — as opposed to investing in mutual funds — unless one has access to special information. And given that the mere appearance of corruption has a corrosive effect on our republic, it’s difficult to understand why members of Congress don’t restrict their investments to such instruments.

But then, the Trump-era Republican Party has grown quite comfortable with complicity in manifest corruption (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/white-house-if-cnn-bashes-trump-trump-may-block-merger.html) — let alone with giving the appearance of it.


With the entire executive branch awash in graft from the top down, it’s simply become ridiculously easy for members of Congress like Conaway to blend in with their own petty corruptions, without being noticed.
And as for the “corrosive effect on our Republic,” well, that ship sailed last November.

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/7/8/1678934/-Republican-Lawmakers-Move-to-Cash-in-On-Their-Health-Care-Repeal-Buying-Up-Stock-in-Insurance-Cos?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29


The corruption IS UnPresidented

"public service" is now, has been a long time "self service, oligarchy service"

[Splits]

lol a 44 seat majority and can't pass a bill they've been campaigning on for 7+ years. What a fucking clown show.

My guess is they somehow ram it through the house, probably by catering to the "Freed:lolm" caucus (seriously, wtf kind of name is that?) by removing the essential benefits provision. From there it will either die in the Senate or the parliamentarian will rule it can't go through reconciliation as-is.


It has to get three no votes from GOP senators to die in the senate. Which three are voting against the repeal?


Three of so-called "moderates" who don't want to get rid of the Medicaid expansions in their states. Pick any from Collins, Murkowski, Flake, Heller, Gardner, Portman

I'll stick with my original prediction... Already got the House side nailed...

[pgardn]

FOX with Chris Wallace just put out a relatively short, ~15 minutes, discussion with a Senator Cassidy fro Louisiana. He admitted there are Republicans that have no desire to fulfill Trump's plan to keep people on with pre existing conditions. Cassidy has his own plan out but Wallace made him cover all the current plans in a very straightforward manner.

Excellent job again by Wallace to cover a difficult topic in a short period of time. A must watch. One of the few on these crappy cable channels.

[Thread]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Splits (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8943872#post8943872)
lol a 44 seat majority and can't pass a bill they've been campaigning on for 7+ years. What a fucking clown show.]]]

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Of course we were never serious. We knew whatever we sent up to the WH would get vetoed. So we sent that up there. Big shots.
Comparable to when we impeached Clinton. We knew the Senate would never convict. If we knew they'd a convicted him we'd a never impeached him.

[boutons_deux]

Lee, Cruz, Paul want FULL ACA repeal, will vote against Trashcare

Those 3 are enough to kill it

Then there are few other Repug Senators from states with expanded Medicaid who don't support cutting Medicaid

"It's Dead, Jim"

[baseline bum]

Lee, Cruz, Paul want FULL ACA repeal, will vote against Trashcare

Those 3 are enough to kill it

Then there are few other Repug Senators from states with expanded Medicaid who don't support cutting Medicaid

"It's Dead, Jim"

They'll get in line if they're the deciding votes. If one of Collins, Heller, or Murkowski votes for it none of Paul, Lee, or Cruz will want to be known as the vote that killed the Obamacare repeal.

[boutons_deux]

vote that killed the Obamacare repeal.

Trashcare doesn't kill ACA thoroughly, that's the problem for those 3.

[baseline bum]

Trashcare doesn't kill ACA thoroughly, that's the problem for those 3.

It kills enough of it to get their votes. The only way Cruz or Lee stays against it is if it's unpassable.

[rmt]

These holdouts will vote for it if the alternative is dealing with the Dems and retaining most of Obamacare. Kill the Medicaid expansion, and put work requirements on it for able-bodied people.

[baseline bum]

These holdouts will vote for it if the alternative is dealing with the Dems and retaining most of Obamacare. Kill the Medicaid expansion, and put work requirements on it for able-bodied people.

Don't forget the taxcuts for the rich.

[rmt]

Don't forget the taxcuts for the rich.

Did those taxes exist before ACA? I don't see it as tax cuts for the rich. ACA CREATED those taxes to attempt to pay for this Medicaid expansion - this is just re-setting it back to the way it was before.

[boutons_deux]

Some GOP senators return from break admitting Obamacare repeal bill is ‘probably dead’

http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017-05-07T180509Z_1_LYNXMPED460R9_RTROPTP_3_USA-BUDGET-800x430.jpg


“My view is it’s probably going to be dead,” said Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)

“Over the July 4 recess, conservative demands hardened and surprising opposition to the SenateGOP’s first stab revealed itself in red states like North Dakota (http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/hoeven-hears-criticism-of-senate-health-care-overhaul/article_dbdd3e02-a1c4-50f2-9aa0-9f131e770d17.html) and Kansas (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/07/kansas-republican-feels-obamacare-squeeze-240280).

Republicans sniped over the merits of deregulating the health insurance industry and

GOP senators began floating exit strategies in case they can’t agree on legislation, ranging

from working with Democrats to amend Obamacare

to simply repealing the law and figuring out how to replace it later,”

Many Republicans are concentrating on what will happen when McConnell fails.

McConnell has admitted that if the new bill doesn’t go through, then Republicans will have to work with Democrats to shore up the problems with the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/some-gop-senators-return-from-break-admitting-obamacare-repeal-bill-is-probably-dead/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[baseline bum]

Did those taxes exist before ACA? I don't see it as tax cuts for the rich. ACA CREATED those taxes to attempt to pay for this Medicaid expansion - this is just re-setting it back to the way it was before.

Let's just reset shit to where it was before Reagan since you wouldn't see that as a tax hike for the rich.

[rmt]

Is this thread not about the current health care plan that is attempting to FIX Obamacare? What does this have to do with Reagan? The problem with this insidious taking from some to give to others (and I'm referring here to able-bodied adults/Medicaid expansion) is that sooner or later they come to take YOUR/MY money as the definition of rich gets lesser and lesser as the definition of poor gets more and more. And then, what is the point of working if it's just gonna be taken from you/me. There is no end to/value for it when people get things without working for it.

[baseline bum]

Is this thread not about the current health care plan that is attempting to FIX Obamacare? What does this have to do with Reagan? The problem with this insidious taking from some to give to others (and I'm referring here to able-bodied adults/Medicaid expansion) is that sooner or later they come to take YOUR/MY money as the definition of rich gets lesser and lesser as the definition of poor gets more and more. And then, what is the point of working if it's just gonna be taken from you/me. There is no end to/value for it when people get things without working for it.

This health bill is taking from the poor and giving to the rich, son. LOL fixing healthcare by giving the rich moar tax cuts.

[boutons_deux]

Kaiser Confirms Trump's Own HHS. Finds NO Evidence Obamacare Collapsing. On Track For Its Best Year (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/10/1679336/-Kaiser-Confirms-Trump-s-Own-HHS-Finds-NO-Evidence-Obamacare-Collapsing-On-Track-For-It-s-Best-Year)

https://images.dailykos.com/images/47339/story_image/dreamstime_s_29814047.jpg?1452910012

ust recently Donald Trump’s own Department of Health and Human Services confirmed that Obamacare is 'working as intended' and 'stabilizing’, exposing the big Trump Republican lie that the markets are collapsing

This has to be one of the biggest stories out there about health care.

www.latimes.com/ (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-cms-risk-report-20170703-story,amp.html)...

New data have been released contradicting Republican propaganda about the “failing”Affordable Care Act (http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/healthcare/healthcare-policies-laws/affordable-care-act-EVGAP00039-topic.html). What may be more embarrassing to the hardliners pushing repeal is that it comes from the government, specifically the Department of Health and Human Services.

Under Secretary Tom Price, the department has been a fount of anti-ACA rhetoric. But in an annual report about the ACA’s risk-management provisions issued Friday, Health and Human Services established that the key programs are “working as intended,”protecting insurers from unexpectedly large risks and moderating premiums for consumers.
Not only that, the data “would seem to refute the commonly held belief that the marketplace population is becoming sicker,” observes health economist Timothy Jost (http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2017/07/01/cms-releases-2016-aca-marketplace-reinsurance-and-risk-adjustment-data/), writing in Health Affairs. In fact, according to the figures from 2016 in the latest report, the customer base is getting healthier and the risk pools have been stabilizing.

"Both the transitional reinsurance program and the permanent risk adjustment program are working as intended.” - Department of Health and Human Services


Now you can add The Kaiser Foundation to thIs story.

Kaiser has also confirmed that the ACA is not collapsing and is on track for it’s best year. They also mention that mixed signals from the Administration and Congress as having the potential to destabilize the markets.

In other words, my words, Donald Trump and Republicans lying that Obamacare is collapsing is harming our health care markets. Their lies are harming millions.

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/7/10/1679336/-Kaiser-Confirms-Trump-s-Own-HHS-Finds-NO-Evidence-Obamacare-Collapsing-On-Track-For-It-s-Best-Year?detail=emaildkre

Standard oligarchy/Repug strategy: fuck up govt at all levels, then claim govt is fucked up and can do no good.

Repug Solution? privatize govt, and cut taxes for the oligarchy

[boutons_deux]

It seems Repugs are passing out nibbles to try to win votes, but the big bite on Medicaid is untouched. And it's Medicaid destruction that sounded like most Senators were objecting to, except the ones that wanted ACA totally destroyed with no replacement.

[Splits]

Is this thread not about the current health care plan that is attempting to FIX Obamacare? What does this have to do with Reagan? The problem with this insidious taking from some to give to others (and I'm referring here to able-bodied adults/Medicaid expansion) is that sooner or later they come to take YOUR/MY money as the definition of rich gets lesser and lesser as the definition of poor gets more and more. And then, what is the point of working if it's just gonna be taken from you/me. There is no end to/value for it when people get things without working for it.

This has to be the stupidest thing I've read on the internet today.

Congrats, you dumb cunt.

[boutons_deux]

Kaiser poll: Public opposition to Trumpcare is growing (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/14/1680755/-Kaiser-poll-Public-opposition-to-Trumpcare-is-growing)


The July Kaiser Health Tracking Poll finds that most Americans (61 percent) continue to hold unfavorable views of the plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act (ACA), including over four in ten (44 percent) who say they have “very unfavorable” view.

The share of the public with negative views of the law has increased slightly in the past month, from 55 percent to 61 percent.

[…]Nearly two-thirds of the public opposes (65 percent) major reductions in federal funding for Medicaid as part of a plan to repeal and replace the ACA, and

most continue to oppose these reductions even after hearing arguments in support of them.

About half of Republicans and those who approve of President Trump support major reductions in federal funding for Medicaid. […]

Seven in ten (71 percent) Americans would rather see Republicans in Congress work with Democrats to make improvements to the ACA but not repeal the law,

while one-fourth (23 percent) say they would rather Republicans continue working on their own plan to repeal and replace the ACA.


And for popular vote loser Donald Trump—

"The majority of the public thinks the current replacement plan being discussed does not fulfill most of the promises President Trump has made about health care."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/14/1680755/-Kaiser-poll-Public-opposition-to-Trumpcare-is-growing

[boutons_deux]

boutons, what ACA has basically done is expanded Medicaid to able-bodied, healthy people.

goddamn, you're stupid

expanding Medicaid exanded to all kinds of people, including able-bodies, (maybe) healthy people WITH SHITTY JOBS who anyway need health care, as was proven when Ms of them got health care they had been denied.

[rmt]

goddamn, you're stupid

expanding Medicaid exanded to all kinds of people, including able-bodies, (maybe) healthy people WITH SHITTY JOBS who anyway need health care, as was proven when Ms of them got health care they had been denied.

America cannot afford this expansion of Medicaid. It is UNSUSTAINABLE. Boutons, do you want to bankrupt the country just so these able bodied people can have SHITTY insurance (not health care).

[boutons_deux]

Fox’s Brit Hume: Covering patients with pre-existing conditions ‘defeats the whole idea of insurance’

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/foxs-brit-hume-covering-patients-with-pre-exisiting-conditions-defeats-the-whole-idea-of-insurance/

Holy shit, what a sociopath.

[boutons_deux]

America cannot afford this expansion of Medicaid. It is UNSUSTAINABLE. Boutons, do you want to bankrupt the country just so these able bodied people can have SHITTY insurance (not health care).

Goddamn, you're stupid.

If the oligarachy paid its fair share of taxes, USA would have more than enough to cover everybody, even with BigHealthCare's scam/ripoff prices.

[Pavlov]

America cannot afford this expansion of Medicaid. It is UNSUSTAINABLE. Boutons, do you want to bankrupt the country just so these able bodied people can have SHITTY insurance (not health care).How much would it cost?

[spurraider21]

Fox’s Brit Hume: Covering patients with pre-existing conditions ‘defeats the whole idea of insurance’

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/foxs-brit-hume-covering-patients-with-pre-exisiting-conditions-defeats-the-whole-idea-of-insurance/

Holy shit, what a sociopath.his point makes sense from the perspective of the current for-profit insurance model

the parallel would be to not have auto insurance until after an accident.

then again that's what the mandate was supposed to solve but was a pretty poor approach. it was a half-measure

[boutons_deux]

America cannot afford this expansion of Medicaid. It is UNSUSTAINABLE. Boutons, do you want to bankrupt the country just so these able bodied people can have SHITTY insurance (not health care).

Make Wall Street Pay Its Fair Share in Taxes, Raise $1 Trillion in Federal Revenue


http://ourfinancialsecurity.org/2017/07/afr-statement-take-on-wall-street-agenda-july-19/

Capitalists have so rigged the economy and govt that they get all the benefits, all of the wealth and power from wealth, and pay almost nothing of costs.

BigCorp has many $100Bs of cash offshore that it refuses to repatriate unless given huge tax expenditures.

[boutons_deux]

LIAR

Tom Price Boldly Predicts That Senate Bill Will ‘Cover More Individuals’

“That also is one of the reasons we believe we’re gonna be able to cover more individuals on this bill than are currently covered. I know that’s counterintuitive to folks that have been reading other headlines, but the goal is to get every single American covered and have access to the kind of coverage that they want,” he said on Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures.” (http://video.foxnews.com/v/5509535016001/?playlist_id=3386055101001#sp=show-clips)


Price on Sunday tried to delegitimize that CBO score, calling it an “opinion” and arguing that the CBO does not take into account people who purchase catastrophic plans.

He claimed that “a health savings account with a high deductible catastrophic plan” does not “count in CBO’s formula.”
“So CBO doesn’t even capture those individuals who say to the federal government, ‘I don’t want the plan that you think I need, I want the plan that I know I need for myself and my family,'” Price said.

“So those numbers are so flawed in terms of what actually happens in the real world when people act for themselves in an appropriate way and get that kind of coverage that they want.”

Price’s comments about the CBO’s methodology appear to be misleading, however. In a December blog post (https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52352#1), the CBO said that it counts “catastrophic plans as private insurance coverage because they typically provide major medical coverage and are permitted under the ACA in limited circumstances.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/tom-price-senate-bill-more-coverage?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

shitty, catastrophic plans are where people ( "are free to" ) deny themselves non-catastrophic health care (denial that often leads to preventable health catastrophes) because they can't fucking afford it.

This is Repugs bullshit of "freedom" and "choice"

[boutons_deux]

Bitch-ass McConnell is a total, power-hungry shit bag

Johnson: I ‘Confirmed’ McConnell Double-Speak On Obamacare Repeal


https://dawm7kda6y2v0.cloudfront.net/uploads/2017/07/[email protected]

Support for the Senate bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act is teetering on the edge of collapse, with a third Republican senator threatening (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/ron-johnson-wisconsin-trumpcare-obamacare-mcconnell) to join the two who have already promised to block a vote when the bill comes to the floor.

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) learned from TPM last week (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/ron-johnson-wisconsin-trumpcare-obamacare-mcconnell) that Senate Majority Mitch

McConnell (R-KY) was telling moderate Republican senators (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-health-202/2017/07/13/the-health-202-doctors-make-last-ditch-effort-to-sink-gop-health-care-bill/59665cf3e9b69b7071abcb1c/?utm_term=.840d4a0a1e22) in closed-door meetings that a future Congress and president will not let the bill’s harshest cuts to Medicaid go into effect.

On Monday, Johnson told reporters he went to the moderate senators in question and confirmed that report, causing him to withdraw his previous support for advancing the bill.

“I was strongly in favor of the motion to proceed before I read the comments by Senator McConnell,” he said.

“The ‘don’t worry about it, it’s too far in the future, it’ll never happen.’

I’ve confirmed those comments with the senators they were made to, learned they were largely accurate, and I find those comments very troubling. It really does put in jeopardy the motion to proceed.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/ron-johnson-wisconsin-obamacare-repeal-mcconnell-medicaid

Of course, Ron Johnson an extremist terrorist from Walker's WI, a model Kockistam, was ready to vote 10Ms out of health care.

This how power-freak McConnell schemes to get credit for "winning"

[baseline bum]

^ McConnell is a lying piece of shit? Who'd have ever thought it?

[boutons_deux]

McCain's absence is irrelavant.

Latest Version Of Trumpcare Officially Dead As Two More GOP Senators Declare Opposition

This is a huge loss for the president and a monumental victory for the vast majority of Americans who believe health care shouldn't be a privilege for the healthy and the wealthy, but a right for all



https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1766994197/official_photo_normal.jpegMike Lee (https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee)
(https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee)✔@SenMikeLee (https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee)

My colleague @JerryMoran (https://twitter.com/JerryMoran) and I will not support the MTP to this version of BCRA #HealthcareBill (https://twitter.com/hashtag/HealthcareBill?src=hash)
7:30 PM - 17 Jul 2017 (https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/887107244688650241)

2,8362,836 Retweets (https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=887107244688650241)


7,7007,700 likes (https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=887107244688650241)




An extended statement from Mike Lee explaining his opposition:

“After conferring with trusted experts regarding the latest version of the Consumer Freedom Amendment, I have decided I cannot support the current version of the Better Care Reconciliation Act,” Sen. Lee said.

“In addition to not repealing all of the Obamacare taxes, it doesn’t go far enough in lowering premiums for middle class families; nor does it create enough free space from the most costly Obamacare regulations.”


http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/17/latest-version-trumpcare-officially-dead-gop-senators-declare-opposition.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/17/latest-version-trumpcare-officially-dead-gop-senators-declare-opposition.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

[leemajors]

ded

[Adam Lambert]

member when this was the first plan and it failed?

887134287350439936

:lmao
republicans should repeal failed president

[Reck]

member when this was the first plan and it failed?

887134287350439936

:lmao
republicans should repeal failed president

They never tried it. It was just laughed off.

You cant start from zero because where would the millions of people that have insurance be place? They just wait 2-3 years while the hapless republicans come up with a plan? :lol

[baseline bum]

ded

Doubtful. If it dies it's going to have to be from moderates like Collins & Murkowski and from Heller scared of being voted out of office.

[boutons_deux]

Bitch McConnell mocking the Dems for celebrating the Trumpcare defeat,

sez he's gonna make the Dems pay by repealing ACA and really fuckup people.

[leemajors]

Doubtful. If it dies it's going to have to be from moderates like Collins & Murkowski and from Heller scared of being voted out of office.

yeah, they won't stop trying.

[boutons_deux]

Holy Shit! :lol

Senate’s New Plan To Repeal But Not Replace Obamacare On Brink Of Collapse

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell proposed a full repeal after the GOP health care bill died Monday.

Some Republican senators are already saying they won’t vote to repeal Obamacare without providing a replacement for it

[boutons_deux]

Mitch McConnell Hospitalized with Low White-Vote Count

WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell was rushed to the hospital late Monday night with what doctors diagnosed as a low white-vote count.

Doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Center said that when McConnell arrived at the facility

his white-vote count had fallen below fifty and he had gone into shock.
Dr. Harland Dorrinson, a physician at Walter Reed who is monitoring McConnell’s condition, called his low white-vote count “very serious.”

“Mitch McConnell needs a white-vote count of at least fifty in order to function,” he said.

“If it falls below fifty and stays there for an extended period of time, he cannot survive.”
Efforts to boost the Senate Majority Leader’s white-vote count have so far proved fruitless, as

doctors acknowledged that they have been unable to find additional white votes that are compatible with McConnell.
McConnell was first rushed to Walter Reed after showing symptoms commonly associated with a low white-vote count, including

a feeling of hopelessness and uncontrollable sobbing.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mitch-mcconnell-hospitalized-with-low-white-vote-count (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mitch-mcconnell-hospitalized-with-low-white-vote-count)

[boutons_deux]

Obamacare is only 'exploding' in red states

President Trump (http://www.latimes.com/topic/politics-government/donald-trump-PEBSL000163-topic.html) almost always asserts that Obamacare is “exploding.” Republican members of Congress make similar claims, insisting that Obamacare is unsustainable—and that they therefore have no choice but to “repeal and replace” it.

There is some basis for this argument.

More than 1,300 counties only have one insurer in their exchanges, meaning there is no competition.

But there is a nuance that Republicans (http://www.latimes.com/topic/politics-government/republican-party-ORGOV0000004-topic.html) willfully ignore:

This is a problem of their own creation that is largely confined to red states.

Where Republican governors have sought to sabotage the program, they have largely succeeded.

Where Democratic governors have tried to make the ACA work, they too have largely succeeded.

In states with Republican governors, more than 40 million people live in counties with only one insurer. In states with Democratic governors, there are 10.7 million people who live in such counties.

Democratic governors generally tried to persuade people to buy insurance, while

Republican governors were more often neutral, if not openly hostile, to the program.

As a result, fewer healthy people bought into the exchanges in their states, making the system less profitable for insurers.

In addition, Republican governors and Republican insurance commissioners were often less cooperative with insurance companies.

While Democratic governors cajoled insurers to enter and stay in the exchanges, and met reasonable regulatory concerns, Republican governors had little interest in making their exchanges work.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-baker-obamacare-red-state-20170713-story.html#testnws=politicsnow&track=_newsletter_politics-now___________20170718 (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-baker-obamacare-red-state-20170713-story.html#testnws=politicsnow&track=_newsletter_politics-now___________20170718)

Repugs only destroy, never build.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs in OPEN REBELLION

https://twitter.com/AJentleson/status/887137548715388928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwashingtonjournal.com%2F2017% 2F07%2F18%2Fsenate-insider-just-exposed-republican-rebellion-mcconnell-viral-twitter-thread%2F

[boutons_deux]

The last-ditch Obamacare repeal plan is already in big trouble

Hold a vote on a partial Obamacare repeal bill that 50 Senate Republicans already voted for in 2015 and dare skittish senators to knock it down.

But the partial repeal bill is estimated to have even more devastating consequences than the Better Care Reconciliation Act:

32 million fewer people with health insurance,

compared to Obamacare, according to the Congressional Budget Office (https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/880759382681632768).

The bill would repeal

the law’s financial assistance for private coverage,

its Medicaid expansion,

its taxes on the wealthy and health care industry, and (this is the real objective for the oligarchy)

its individual mandate.

It would not repeal the law’s insurance regulations, which are untouchable under the Senate rules, but it could

throw the individual insurance market into chaos.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/18/15989722/senate-obamacare-repeal-bill-already-in-trouble

[boutons_deux]

:lol

Partial repeal of ACA ALREADY DEAD!

:lol

Trash: "On Day One ..." :lol

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8mcN0zweQE

and then, and then we're gonna shit gold too!

[Thread]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8mcN0zweQE

and then, and then we're gonna shit gold too!

C'mon, 21, he stipulated early on that it was complicated/complex.

[spurraider21]

C'mon, 21, he stipulated early on that it was complicated/complex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-VTbt-i_b4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjFTP-uUB5w

[Adam Lambert]

887383193489428480

[Adam Lambert]

dems should put forth a bill for universal healthcare now.

[Thread]

dems should put forth a bill for universal healthcare now.

They'd lose the advantage they enjoy right now.

[Adam Lambert]

why? the gop wants to get rid of obamacare, this is a great way to do it.

first campaign promise they will have kept, plus they get to be the party that reaches across the aisle in these divisive times.

[boutons_deux]

The LONG REACH of Obama's Big Black Dick is humiliating, destroying the red/slave state racist Repugs

Senate Republicans Defy Trump And Announce Hearings To Stabilize Obamacare Markets

Instead of letting Obamacare die as Trump suggested,

Senate Republicans have defied Trump and :lol

announced that they would be holding hearings on how to stabilize the insurance marketplace. :lol

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/18/senate-republicans-defy-trump-announce-hearings-stabilize-obamacare-markets.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[Splits]

887358728625938434

887396366745567232

250975772083380226

398887965302091776

[Xevious]

Full control of House and Senate and still blaming the Democrats. :rolleyes

[spurraider21]

:madrun why are the democrats obstructing a bill that we drafted in secret without allowing any of them in the room :madrun

[Adam Lambert]

Full control of House and Senate and still blaming the Democrats. :rolleyes

why wouldnt he?

he knows 40% of the population will run with that.

[Splits]

why wouldnt he?

he knows 40% of the population will run with that.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gZXwE2ISi_0/WW0jgn3CYLI/AAAAAAAAwps/1gMd_eh4ilM8mKi-Xxw3qrFUkQsj7OSOQCLcBGAs/s1600/Screenshot%2B2017-07-17%2Bat%2B1.51.31%2BPM.png

[Adam Lambert]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gZXwE2ISi_0/WW0jgn3CYLI/AAAAAAAAwps/1gMd_eh4ilM8mKi-Xxw3qrFUkQsj7OSOQCLcBGAs/s1600/Screenshot%2B2017-07-17%2Bat%2B1.51.31%2BPM.png

for the other 55%, most of them know but the truth no longer matters to them, so they answered based on what they want the answer to be

[DarrinS]

I agree with letting it death spiral.

[Thread]

I agree with letting it death spiral.

But, it won't, DS. There is enough blood/life in it that it will go on indefinitely.

[rmt]

I agree with letting it death spiral.

Letting it go into a death spiral will hurt the middle class/workers the most - those who have been responsible and saved/invested and have to carry insurance to protect what assets they have. Those who have little or no assets will take a chance and go without. The number of those who get subsidies or now qualify for Medicaid will continue to expand.

[ElNono]

tbh, this is just a reflection of the general ineptitude of the GOP to understand and address healthcare...

Barrycare is a turd, but at least the Dems had a more or less clear idea what they wanted and executed it when they could.

These guys had 8+ years to come up with something, and it's patently ridiculous they're still empty handed.

[AaronY]

It's only death spiralling in red states really

[SnakeBoy]

tbh, this is just a reflection of the general ineptitude of the GOP to understand and address healthcare...

Barrycare is a turd, but at least the Dems had a more or less clear idea what they wanted and executed it when they could.

These guys had 8+ years to come up with something, and it's patently ridiculous they're still empty handed.

lol come on BB you know better than that. Barry started his push in early '09 and his healthcare reform was pronounced dead multiple times. By the time it passed in '10 he folded on the things that might have actually worked to get special interests onboard and even then Reid had to literally buy votes with shit like the "Louisiana Purchase" and exempting Nebraska from paying it's share of medicaid.

Some of you are celebrating like this is the end of the healthcare deal. It's just getting started folks.

A quote back from the Obamacare struggles that I've used before was "Obamacare will pass because Obama will pass anything". Does anyone think Trump isn't willing to sign any plan that makes it to his desk?

[spurraider21]

lol come on BB you know better than that. Barry started his push in early '09 and his healthcare reform was pronounced dead multiple times. By the time it passed in '10 he folded on the things that might have actually worked to get special interests onboard and even then Reid had to literally buy votes with shit like the "Louisiana Purchase" and exempting Nebraska from paying it's share of medicaid.

Some of you are celebrating like this is the end of the healthcare deal. It's just getting started folks.

A quote back from the Obamacare struggles that I've used before was "Obamacare will pass because Obama will pass anything". Does anyone think Trump isn't willing to sign any plan that makes it to his desk?
i agree that trump will essentially be forced to sign any healthcare bill that makes it to his desk. he won't even read it tbh. all he knows is if there's a bill that repeals obamacare, he's gonna do it. because obamacare bad. trumpcare (even if he doesnt know what it is) good

[spurraider21]

i admittedly can't verify the analysis here, dont have the time to look through and fact check the claims, but i agree with the general principle that the demand to completely abolish rather than modify/fix obamacare is largely an immature reaction because they dont want anything with the obama label to ever be fixed/working


The Affordable Care Act has problems, but it was never as dastardly as its Republican critics made it sound. Years of exaggerations and misinformation about the law’s effect on individuals and businesses have now led to a political fiasco for Republicans.

The death of the Senate bill (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gop-senate-leader-mitch-mcconnell-042800935.html) to scale back the ACA probably means Republicans’ 7-year quest to kill the ACA is, itself, dead. The House passed a health bill in May, but without a Senate version, there’s no path forward. President Trump and a few Republicans now want to repeal the ACA outright (https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-senate-proposal-repeal-obamacare-already-brink-defeat-162318631.html), even if there’s nothing to replace it with. But if Congress can’t pass an unpopular bill that eases some Americans off health insurance over time, it’s hard to imagine how it could pass a bill that would boot more people off insurance, much more abruptly.

Trump blames Democrats and a few recalcitrant Republicans (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-gop-wont-give-health-care-will-return-125135286.html) for the giant embarrassment. Instead, he should blame prominent GOP critics who characterize Obamacare as the source of every problem in the US health system and an albatross on the economy besides. By vastly overstating the negatives of the ACA, Republicans created a mythic Voldemort that could never be tamed; the only option was to slay it at the first opportunity. The GOP forced itself into a doomed, all-or-nothing misadventure when it should have been addressing the problems that affect the most Americans—especially rising costs.



GOP myths about Obamacare

The first myth spun by ACA critics is that the law, which has only been in effect for three years, is the root cause of soaring medical costs most Americans feel. This is nonsense. Medical costs in the United States have been rising far faster than overall inflation for nearly 40 years, which means the typical family has been devoting more and more of its disposable income to health care. Of the 320 million people in America, only about 20 million—6.3%—get health coverage under Obamacare. Most of the rest have been unaffected by the law.

There’s one exception. Roughly 10 million adult Americans buy insurance on their own, without the benefit of an employer plan or Obamacare subsidy. Some of those folks ended up paying more under Obamacare, because of new rules requiring all insurance policies to offer a wide range of benefits not everybody needs. Congress should have addressed this problem, finding some way to offer relief to people who buy their own insurance but don’t qualify for Obamacare subsidies. But the GOP’s slay-the-beast mentality seems to rule out pragmatic tinkering.

The other GOP myth about the ACA is that it’s a job-killing monstrosity. The ACA may have allowed some people to quit jobs they held mainly as a means to obtain insurance coverage. But this is arguably a good thing, not a bad thing, because it gives more people freedom to do what they feel is best for their families — such as stay home with a child — instead of holding a job just for insurance.

It’s also possible some firms are reluctant to hire, because any company with more than 50 workers must offer insurance or pay penalties. But that would only apply to companies on the cusp of exceeding 50 employees, since smaller companies are exempt from the ACA. Even so, employers have created nearly 9 million jobs since the ACA went into effect at the start of 2014—a pace of job growth that exceeds the last non-recessionary period prior to the ACA.

If they weren’t obsessed with the white whale they’ve created, here’s how the Republicans who control Congress could be improving the health care system for millions of Americans: Find ways to make health costs more transparent and consumer decisions more rational. Reduce exorbitant costs for end-of-life care. Extend coverage to the 28 million adult Americans who remain uninsured and often seek treatment in emergency rooms. And give Medicare the right to negotiate drug prices with pharmaceutical firms.
But don’t expect any of that. Obamacare’s not dead yet.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gop-doomed-obamacare-151451401.html

[SnakeBoy]

i admittedly can't verify the analysis here, dont have the time to look through and fact check the claims, but i agree with the general principle that the demand to completely abolish rather than modify/fix obamacare is largely an immature reaction because they dont want anything with the obama label to ever be fixed/working


I think this is the thing you should have bolded...


Of the 320 million people in America, only about 20 million—6.3%—get health coverage under Obamacare. Most of the rest have been unaffected by the law.

There’s one exception. Roughly 10 million adult Americans buy insurance on their own, without the benefit of an employer plan or Obamacare subsidy.

There's no doubt the GOP has used the ACA as a boogeyman for all things healthcare but really the big negative aspect of the ACA is the effect it has had on the individual market. And that was completely predictable. The whole idea that you could take the uninsurable population, dump them onto the small pool of the individual market and then get young healthy people who don't really need insurance to pick up the tab or face a small fine was pretty ridiculous.

[ElNono]

lol come on BB you know better than that. Barry started his push in early '09 and his healthcare reform was pronounced dead multiple times. By the time it passed in '10 he folded on the things that might have actually worked to get special interests onboard and even then Reid had to literally buy votes with shit like the "Louisiana Purchase" and exempting Nebraska from paying it's share of medicaid.

Some of you are celebrating like this is the end of the healthcare deal. It's just getting started folks.

A quote back from the Obamacare struggles that I've used before was "Obamacare will pass because Obama will pass anything". Does anyone think Trump isn't willing to sign any plan that makes it to his desk?

I'm not celebrating anything, this was another wasted opportunity to get some sort of reform done. Barrycare sucks, what was before it sucked too, we all know that.

All I'm saying is that unlike Barrycare, which was a campaign promise and kinda turned into this gigantic turd because it was rushed in order to please everyone and pass, these guys had 8+ years to come up with a compelling solution to sell to the electorate, and you can tell they were completely unprepared for it. They can't even agree themselves, which really brings into question if any of them really went any further than the "repeal Barrycare" schtick.

The reality is that we're going to get into the mid-terms election cycle sooner rather than later, and this is when you want to spend your political capital.

[ElNono]

There's no doubt the GOP has used the ACA as a boogeyman for all things healthcare but really the big negative aspect of the ACA is the effect it has had on the individual market. And that was completely predictable. The whole idea that you could take the uninsurable population, dump them onto the small pool of the individual market and then get young healthy people who don't really need insurance to pick up the tab or face a small fine was pretty ridiculous.

The idea was that the fine would eventually grow to be more than an actual insurance premium, but, regardless, the reason we have 'uninsurable' people, is that the cost overlaps the use, and the cost has been rising and rising. At some point that's going to have to be tackled, or all you're going to be doing is increasing the 'uninsurable' population. This is really the big conundrum here, what's out of control are costs, not people, and neither Barrycare or whatever the GOP was trying to pass deals with any of it, which really does nothing for Americans.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm not celebrating anything, this was another wasted opportunity to get some sort of reform done. Barrycare sucks, what was before it sucked too, we all know that.

All I'm saying is that unlike Barrycare, which was a campaign promise and kinda turned into this gigantic turd because it was rushed in order to please everyone and pass, these guys had 8+ years to come up with a compelling solution to sell to the electorate, and you can tell they were completely unprepared for it. They can't even agree themselves, which really brings into question if any of them really went any further than the "repeal Barrycare" schtick.

The reality is that we're going to get into the mid-terms election cycle sooner rather than later, and this is when you want to spend your political capital.

Dammit! For some reason I always get you confused with Baseline when you post in here. Sorry.


I'm not celebrating anything, this was another wasted opportunity to get some sort of reform done. Barrycare sucks, what was before it sucked too, we all know that.


Whatever the GOP passes eventually (if they get it done) will be a turd as well.

[ElNono]

Dammit! For some reason I always get you confused with Baseline when you post in here. Sorry.

Whatever the GOP passes eventually (if they get it done) will be a turd as well.

Sucks, tbh.... these are real opportunities to do something about it...

[SnakeBoy]

Sucks, tbh.... these are real opportunities to do something about it...

I just hope the GOP passes their turd and takes ownership of healthcare. Dems did it and got their ass kicked, now the GOP needs to do it and get their ass kicked.

Then maybe we can get a bipartisan plan. Healthcare is too big and complicated for these one off let's ram something through while we can plans.

[ElNono]

related:

The Myth of Drug Expiration Dates

Hospitals and pharmacies are required to toss expired drugs, no matter how expensive or vital. Meanwhile the FDA has long known that many remain safe and potent for years longer. The box of prescription drugs had been forgotten in a back closet of a retail pharmacy for so long that some of the pills predated the 1969 moon landing. Most were 30 to 40 years past their expiration dates -- possibly toxic, probably worthless. But to Lee Cantrell, who helps run the California Poison Control System, the cache was an opportunity to answer an enduring question about the actual shelf life of drugs: Could these drugs from the bell-bottom era still be potent?

Gerona and Cantrell, a pharmacist and toxicologist, knew that the term "expiration date" was a misnomer. The dates on drug labels are simply the point up to which the Food and Drug Administration and pharmaceutical companies guarantee their effectiveness, typically at two or three years. But the dates don't necessarily mean they're ineffective immediately after they "expire" -- just that there's no incentive for drugmakers to study whether they could still be usable.

Tests on the decades-old drugs including antihistamines, pain relievers and stimulants. All the drugs tested were in their original sealed containers. The findings surprised both researchers: A dozen of the 14 compounds were still as potent as they were when they were manufactured (https://www.propublica.org/article/the-myth-of-drug-expiration-dates), some at almost 100 percent of their labeled concentrations. Experts say the United States might be squandering a quarter of the money spent on health care. That's an estimated $765 billion a year.

[boutons_deux]

related:

The Myth of Drug Expiration Dates



... just another scam, ripoff of citizens for $Bs/year

[boutons_deux]

Now Obamacare is in the criminal, destructive hands of Trash and Price

Obamacare’s Future Now Depends on an Unhappy White House

the Trump administration, rather than working to solve those problems, has mostly described them as failures of the previous administration.

The White House has declined to say whether it will continue to pay certain subsidies to plans for very low-income Americans, subsidies seen as vital to the financial health of the exchange business.

And it has suggested that it might decline to enforce the law’s individual mandate.

Both of those actions will tend to raise prices, discourage insurer participation and make Obamacare shakier than it would be otherwise.

While premiums for Obamacare plans rose sharply for many customers this year, a growing body of evidence suggests (http://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/individual-insurance-market-performance-in-early-2017/)that

the insurers still in the market have begun making money and would be likely to stay if not for the administrative uncertainty.

So far, there has not been a widespread run for the exits among insurers, but that could change

if the companies feel that the administration wishes to actively undermine the markets.

There is, of course, another possible path.

The Trump administration could take actions to reassure insurers and help stabilize markets.

It could promise to fund the special subsidies, at least until the end of this year. It could signal that it will instruct the I.R.S. to continue enforcing tax penalties for Americans who lack health insurance.

It could promise to advertise Obamacare’s fall sign-up period, increasing the number of Americans who learn about the program and get coverage.

It could reach out to carriers and insurance commissioners to help them find ways to remain in bare markets.

It has the power to minimize damage from any of the current health law’s flaws.

At the moment, that does not appear to be the chosen path.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/upshot/obamacares-future-now-depends-on-an-unhappy-white-house.html

My bet is that Trash/Price will fuck up ACA as much as possible, since both wanted to remove health care from 20M+ plus people with Trumpcare.

[Xevious]

The idea was that the fine would eventually grow to be more than an actual insurance premium, but, regardless, the reason we have 'uninsurable' people, is that the cost overlaps the use, and the cost has been rising and rising. At some point that's going to have to be tackled, or all you're going to be doing is increasing the 'uninsurable' population. This is really the big conundrum here, what's out of control are costs, not people, and neither Barrycare or whatever the GOP was trying to pass deals with any of it, which really does nothing for Americans.
This is the problem right here. Something needs to be done to reign in prices. When people can't afford life-sustaining or life-saving drugs like insulin or epinephrine even with insurance, there's a big fucking problem.

The ACA obviously does nothing to address this, nor will any piece of shit the GOP comes up with.

[baseline bum]

This is the problem right here. Something needs to be done to reign in prices. When people can't afford life-sustaining or life-saving drugs like insulin or epinephrine even with insurance, there's a big fucking problem.

The ACA obviously does nothing to address this, nor will any piece of shit the GOP comes up with.

Remember when our Dear Leader on the campaign trail said we should be able to import drugs from overseas to lower prices? Yet another bait & switch from this crook.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/03/16/donald-trump-on-drugs/#5bde39c1489b

Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

[leemajors]

Remember when our Dear Leader on the campaign trail said we should be able to import drugs from overseas to lower prices? Yet another bait & switch from this crook.

naaaah, let's go after medical marijuana instead!

[boutons_deux]

‘This screams crazy for Coco Puffs’: Internet roasts Trump’s latest illiterate health care tweet


http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/candidate-donald-trump.jpg
I AM FUCKING NUTS


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/874276197357596672/kUuht00m_normal.jpgDonald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

The Republicans never discuss how good their healthcare bill is, & it will get even better at lunchtime. :lol :lol :lol

The Dems scream death as OCare dies!

7:46 AM - 19 Jul 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/887654816507408384)

=============

Twitter users were quick to register their total bafflement at the president’s latest utterance, and

many also pointed out that Trump himself had done absolutely nothing to talk up his own party’s health care bill or to describe in detail why Americans should support it.

Check out some of the top reactions to the latest Trump tweet below.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/this-screams-crazy-for-coco-puffs-internet-roasts-trumps-latest-illiterate-health-care-tweet/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[Warlord23]

Just do what the rest of the civilized world does already. Single payer for common treatments, plus optional private insurance (employer based or individual) for niche stuff.

Pharma firms practice borderline bribery with US health care providers to encourage prescriptions, then charge exorbitant prices. They then buy off politicians on both sides of the aisle to avoid changing the system. Until voters send a strong message by booting out bought-and-paid-for incumbents, this will go on.

[boutons_deux]

Just do what the rest of the civilized world does already. Single payer for common treatments

that's not how it works, mostly. Universal health care is just that, but excludes vision, hearing, dental that are obtained by supplementary policy.

Then of course, there are the wealthy who buy expensive for-profit private platinum coverage to avoid public facilities and the losers, and to get exclusive access to expensive private facilities.

Universal health care is impossible in USA, no matter how badly even a large majority of citizens would want it, because the unchallengeable, unstoppable oligarchy makes govt/corporatocracy policy for profit. Citizens' preferences are ignored.

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s Ham-Handed, Incoherent Health Care Message Leaves Senate Flailing

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

I will be having lunch at the White House today with Republican Senators concerning healthcare. They MUST keep their promise to America!

7:30 AM - 19 Jul 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/887650824515661824)

========

On Wednesday,

he summoned (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/342381-trump-to-press-gop-senators-on-healthcare-at-white-house) all 52 Republican senators to the White House to try to browbeat them into passing some form of a health care bill. :lol

The president previewed his message for the lawmakers in an interview with televangelist Pat Robertson—

saying he’ll be “very angry” (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-will-be-very-angry-if-obamacare-isnt-repealed) if they can’t pass a bill :lol SO FUCKING WHAT? :lol

—and in tweets Wednesday morning that

made no case for the merits of the legislation or

the difficult politics of curtailing the benefits of millions of people.

“He’s thinking of them as underlings and he’s the CEO. But he’s not Congress’ CEO, he’s the president of the United States. They don’t work for him, they work for their constituents.”

‘If you elect us, we’ll repeal Obamacare,'” said Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), “I think we will look like fools if we can’t deliver on that promise.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/trump-senate-republicans-obamacare-repeal-fail?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

Trump Just Threatened An Anti-Trumpcare Republican Senator To His Face

During his first on-camera appearance in the month of July, President Trump vented his frustration with the failure of Senate Republicans to come to any kind of consensus regarding the repeal and replace of President Obama’s Affordable Care Act.

Trump demonstrated his usual knack for tactful negotiation when he publicly threatened Senator Dean Heller (R-NV), who was literally sitting right next to him.

“Look, he wants to remain a Senator, right?”

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/19/trump-just-threatened-anti-trumpcare-republican-senator-face/

Trash ain't no Lyndon Johnson :lol

Fart of the Deal!

[Reck]

LMAO new CBO score in...

887786397586870272

Somehow they managed to make it even worse.

[ducks]

LMAO new CBO score in...

887786397586870272

Somehow they managed to make it even worse.


cbo score wrong before wrong again

something will be in place by 2019

[baseline bum]

cbo score wrong before wrong again

something will be in place by 2019

LOL Price put his own guy in charge at the CBO and now whines about their scores.

[boutons_deux]

Fox News Poll Humiliates Trump As His Supporters Are Fleeing Over Healthcare


A new Fox News poll has Trump losing support among

Republicans (-3),

white men (-9), and

working class whites (-11),

which means that Trump's small base of support is continuing to shrink.


A new Fox News poll has Trump losing support among Republicans (-3), white men (-9), and working class whites (-11), which means that Trump’s small base of support is continuing to shrink.

According to Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2017/07/19/fox-news-poll-july-19-2017.html), “Approval of the president has mostly held steady among Republicans (down three points) since he first took office, but dropped 11 points among working class whites and nine among men.

Meanwhile,

voters think Russia interfered in the U.S. election (by a 55-34 percent margin),

and five times as many think the Kremlin wanted a President Trump (65 percent) as opposed to a President Hillary Clinton (13 percent).

Trump has a major problem on health care.

By a margin of 59%-32%, respondents disapprove of his performance on health care.

54% percent of respondents said that Trump isn’t on their side, and

51% described that the change that Trump has brought as bad.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/19/trump-numbers-plummet-men-working-class-whites-supporters-flee-healthcare.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

"I promise you, on Day One, we'll be So Sick Of Winning"

[boutons_deux]

Health-Care Debacle Exposes the Monster in Trump

Never has a president been so willing to fail Americans simply to get his way.


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/683489860728950784/BHPN623B_normal.jpgBrendan Nyhan
✔@BrendanNyhan (https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan)

I ask again: Has any president ever openly stated they will let a policy fail that would hurt people on this scale? Seems unprecedented https://twitter.com/juliehdavis/status/887356948093566976 … (https://t.co/X7sxsM6X7L)
12:12 PM - 18 Jul 2017 (https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/887359398762434560)
===================

Trump has, in fact, undermined the health exchanges, and he has threatened to do so (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/19/trump-reportedly-wants-to-kill-critical-obamacare-subsidies-despite-warnings-health-insurance-premiums-would-spike.html) further;

indeed, one estimate says that

the bulk of projected 2018 premium increases are the result of Trump and other Republican actions (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-sabotage-20170516-story.html),

not a deterioration in the markets -- in part because

insurers are directly saying (https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8487845/JDH_Letter_CommMcPeak_FV.0.pdf) that's why their rates are going up.

everything we know about retrospective voting says that outside of hard-core Republicans, who will back Trump no matter what,

voters will blame the current president for anything that goes wrong (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-09/someone-should-tell-trump-he-owns-obamacare-now), fairly or unfairly.

Of course, most politicians also entered public life at least in part to improve the conditions of the nation.

Most politicians. But evidently not this one.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-19/health-care-disaster-exposes-trump-as-a-monster

[Adam Lambert]

in case anyone is interested or surprised at all by this, the president of the united states doesnt know how health insurance works

So pre-existing conditions are a tough deal. Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan. Here’s something where you walk up and say, “I want my insurance.” It’s a very tough deal, but it is something that we’re doing a good job of.

[boutons_deux]

Desperate GOP Calls Emergency Meeting To Revive Trumpcare And Kick Millions Off Insurance

The president and his GOP allies in Congress just can't accept the fact that America isn't buying what they're selling.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/19/desperate-gop-calls-emergency-meeting-revive-trumpcare-kick-millions-health-insurance.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Senate votes Tue to repeal ACA,

[Adam Lambert]

in case anyone is interested or surprised at all by this, the president of the united states doesnt know how health insurance works

So pre-existing conditions are a tough deal. Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan. Here’s something where you walk up and say, “I want my insurance.” It’s a very tough deal, but it is something that we’re doing a good job of.

srsly. look. wtf.

[spurraider21]

srsly. look. wtf.
much more eloquent than his discussion about uranium

[Adam Lambert]

much more eloquent than his discussion about uranium

dudes had 6 months in office with healthcare as his top priority, is barking orders about solving healthcare, bragged about how easy it would be, and he thinks it works like life insurance.

what a stupid stupid person

#maga

[boutons_deux]

Team Trump Used Obamacare Money to Run PR Effort Against It

The administration is tasked with overseeing the health care law. Instead, it has made a major social media push to undermine it.

The Trump administration (http://thedailybeast.com/keyword/trump-administration) has spent taxpayer money meant to encourage enrollment in the Affordable Care Act (http://thedailybeast.com/keyword/afordable-care-act) on a public relations campaign aimed at methodically strangling it.

The effort, which involves a multi-pronged social media push as well as video testimonials designed at damaging public opinion of President Obama (http://thedailybeast.com/keyword/barack-obama)’s health care law, is far more robust and sustained than has been publicly revealed or realized.

The strategy has caught the eye of legal experts and Democrats (http://thedailybeast.com/keyword/democratic-party) in Congress,

who have asked government agencies to investigate whether the administration has misused funds and

engaged in covert propaganda in its efforts to damage and overturn the seven-year-old health care law

http://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-used-obamacare-money-to-run-ads-against-it

Fuck all Repugs to hell. Corrupt, American-hating sonsofbitches.

[Xevious]

dudes had 6 months in office with healthcare as his top priority, is barking orders about solving healthcare, bragged about how easy it would be, and he thinks it works like life insurance.

what a stupid stupid person

#maga
Not only that but who the fuck only pays $12/year on health insurance?

[boutons_deux]

Not only that but who the fuck only pays $12/year on health insurance?

Here’s Why Trump Thinks Health Insurance Costs Only $12 Per Year

There may, however, be one possibility as to where Trump obtained this information.

Below is a commercial that airs regularly on Fox News.

As a notorious consumer of the conservative news outlet and a nonconsumer of details, Trump could easily have conflated the wholly inexpensive Gerber Life Grow Up Plan with adult health insurance.

Take note that Gerber offers this plan for $1 a week.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/20/heres-trump-thinks-health-insurance-costs-12-per-year/

[rmt]

He probably means direct primary care:

MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP FEES
Children 0-19 years old, $10/month with at least one parent membership
Adults 20-44 years old, $50/month
Adults 45-64 years old, $75/month
Adults 65+ years old, $100/month
Employer groups with 5+ employees, $50/mo/adult

https://atlas.md/wichita/our-fees/

[Adam Lambert]

He probably means direct primary care:

MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP FEES
Children 0-19 years old, $10/month with at least one parent membership
Adults 20-44 years old, $50/month
Adults 45-64 years old, $75/month
Adults 65+ years old, $100/month
Employer groups with 5+ employees, $50/mo/adult

https://atlas.md/wichita/our-fees/

no, he means life insurance. hes an idiot and a blowhard. deal with it.

[leemajors]

He probably means direct primary care:

MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP FEES
Children 0-19 years old, $10/month with at least one parent membership
Adults 20-44 years old, $50/month
Adults 45-64 years old, $75/month
Adults 65+ years old, $100/month
Employer groups with 5+ employees, $50/mo/adult

https://atlas.md/wichita/our-fees/


At this time, we are not able to provide routine vaccinations. Call to discuss how we can help arrange these for you.

[Xevious]

And 10 bucks a month for an infant in addition to an adult membership of $50 a month is a long way off from $12 a year for an adult.

[Pavlov]

Got to be exhausting trying to cover for this President's ignorance so often.

[rmt]

Now why in the world would a direct primary care facility (trying to keep YOUR cost down) deal with vaccinations when one can obtain them FREE from your public/county health department? And it's $10/month for a 19 year old (with adult membership) - see how that works. I'd hazard a guess that health care for a 19 year old costs LESS than that for an infant or newborn. Some of you complain about high health care costs and turn around and mock any attempt to keep down costs. I'd love to have something like that here in Miami - I'd sign up tomorrow.

You all wondered where Trump came up with that number. Well, this Josh Umberh is a regular on Hannity which Trump watches/listens to.

[rmt]

Hannity on the radio, I mean. Sorry, still can't edit - such a pain.

[Pavlov]

Now why in the world would a direct primary care facility (trying to keep YOUR cost down) deal with vaccinations when one can obtain them FREE from your public/county health department? And it's $10/month for a 19 year old (with adult membership) - see how that works. I'd hazard a guess that health care for a 19 year old costs LESS than that for an infant or newborn. Some of you complain about high health care costs and turn around and mock any attempt to keep down costs. I'd love to have something like that here in Miami - I'd sign up tomorrow.

You all wondered where Trump came up with that number. Well, this Josh Umberh is a regular on Hannity which Trump watches/listens to.Yeah, none of those numbers is $12 per year, so we wonder still.

[rmt]

Will you stop nitpicking? Obviously, it's a slip of the tongue. If you believe that healthcare can be had for $12/year, go ahead and believe that.

[rmt]

You can parse, analyze and critique my previous post - but you know what I mean.

[Xevious]

Will you stop nitpicking? Obviously, it's a slip of the tongue. If you believe that healthcare can be had for $12/year, go ahead and believe that.
We don't believe that, but Trump does.

[Pavlov]

Will you stop nitpicking? Obviously, it's a slip of the tongue. If you believe that healthcare can be had for $12/year, go ahead and believe that.The only person who believes that is Trump. I believe he believes that.

[Adam Lambert]

Will you stop nitpicking? Obviously, it's a slip of the tongue. If you believe that healthcare can be had for $12/year, go ahead and believe that.

explain why he thinks your coverage gets better as you pay in more over time

[rmt]

Unlike some of you, I no longer have the time to be hanging on every word that comes out of Trump's mouth. Bedtime for me - so I can reach work at 7:00am (all in an effort to avoid traffic).

[Pavlov]

Unlike some of you, I no longer have the time to be hanging on every word that comes out of Trump's mouth. Bedtime for me - so I can reach work at 7:00am (all in an effort to avoid traffic).It was 3 words.

[Adam Lambert]

Unlike some of you, I no longer have the time to be hanging on every word that comes out of Trump's mouth. Bedtime for me - so I can reach work at 7:00am (all in an effort to avoid traffic).

yes be a good little lemming and keep those expectations of your president low. cant expect him to understand the fundamentals of the central issue of his campaign for presidency, right?

so picky! whats next, were going to expect him to understand foreign policy?

[Th'Pusher]

Unlike some of you, I no longer have the time to be hanging on every word that comes out of Trump's mouth. Bedtime for me - so I can reach work at 7:00am (all in an effort to avoid traffic).

People like you are the reason trump still sustains a ~40% approval raring. He's been a wildly ineffective president and has proved himself to be completely uninformed. Are you ever going to hold the man accountable for anything? I thought conservatives were down with the whole personal responsibility thing.

[rmt]

And you liberals refuse to consider any other than a government run program rammed down our throats. Here is a good example of how to keep health care costs down, and what happens - instead of gee whiz, $120(/$12) per year to cover each child up to age 19, it's the constant nitpicking like what the media does. If this were available to you in your neighbor, I wonder how many of you would jump at the chance to sign up while continuing to criticize it because it doesn't offer vaccines. Of course, because of ACA, we can't just sign up because we're also on the hook for 2% of our salaries as penalty.

[hater]

:lmao Mcconell senile old faggot

Is he waiting for Mccain to beat cancer before doing a vote??? :lol

[Th'Pusher]

And you liberals refuse to consider any other than a government run program rammed down our throats. Here is a good example of how to keep health care costs down, and what happens - instead of gee whiz, $120(/$12) per year to cover each child up to age 19, it's the constant nitpicking like what the media does. If this were available to you in your neighbor, I wonder how many of you would jump at the chance to sign up while continuing to criticize it because it doesn't offer vaccines. Of course, because of ACA, we can't just sign up because we're also on the hook for 2% of our salaries as penalty.

So you're not going to hold your president accountable for the shitty job he's done thus far. Got it.

[Thread]

:lmao Mcconell senile old faggot

Is he waiting for Mccain to beat cancer before doing a vote??? :lol

Can't he just vote over the damn phone?

[rmt]

So you're not going to hold your president accountable for the shitty job he's done thus far. Got it.

What shitty job - as far as I'm concerned, he's already done some of what I wanted him to do - appointed a young, conservative to the SC - southern border crossings are way down - less refugees from terrorist countries coming in the US (despite liberal obstructionist judges). It isn't his fault these spineless cowards in Congress can't put a repeal and replace bill on his desk for him to sign. Just exactly what do you expect when his appointments are being approved at snail's pace and there is resistance against him from both sides of the aisle and the media.

[RandomGuy]

Got to be exhausting trying to cover for this President's ignorance so often.

I imagine so.

Q: "What's your priority among our nuclear triad?"


"Well, first of all, I think we need somebody absolutely that we can trust, who is totally responsible, who really knows what he or she is doing. That is so powerful and so important. But we have to be extremely vigilant and extremely careful when it comes to nuclear. Nuclear changes the whole ballgame. Frankly, I would have said get out of Syria; get out – if we didn't have the power of weaponry today. The power is so massive that we can't just leave areas that 50 years ago or 75 years ago we wouldn't care. It was hand-to-hand combat."

[RandomGuy]

"One of the things with the wall is, you need transparency," Trump said. "You have to be able to see through it. In other words, if you can't see through the wall—so it could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what's on the other side of the wall."
Confused? Give him a moment. Let him explain.

"And I’ll give you an example. As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don't see them—they hit you in the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It's over," Trump said. "As crazy as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall."

Fucking sounds like he half-read a briefing about transparency in the bidding process and thought it meant that the wall itself had to be transparent. Holy fuck that is the president of the united states.

[RandomGuy]

What shitty job - as far as I'm concerned, he's already done some of what I wanted him to do - appointed a young, conservative to the SC - southern border crossings are way down - less refugees from terrorist countries coming in the US (despite liberal obstructionist judges). It isn't his fault these spineless cowards in Congress can't put a repeal and replace bill on his desk for him to sign. Just exactly what do you expect when his appointments are being approved at snail's pace and there is resistance against him from both sides of the aisle and the media.


There are 1,212 presidential appointments which require confirmation by the U.S. Senate and 353 presidential appointments which do not require confirmation.[1] The Washington Post has identified 564 key positions requiring U.S. Senate confirmation. Of those key positions, as of 19 July 2017, 49 of Trump's nominees have been confirmed, 146 are awaiting confirmation, and 18 have been announced but not yet formally nominated.[2]


Kind of hard to approve people when there aren't any nominations to approve...

He had no clue what needed to happen, and shockingly... didn't do it, so now we get to wait while his inept administration plays catch up.

and:

Your primary goal was for people to have less health insurance?

[RandomGuy]

What shitty job - as far as I'm concerned, he's already done some of what I wanted him to do - appointed a young, conservative to the SC - southern border crossings are way down - less refugees from terrorist countries coming in the US (despite liberal obstructionist judges). It isn't his fault these spineless cowards in Congress can't put a repeal and replace bill on his desk for him to sign. Just exactly what do you expect when his appointments are being approved at snail's pace and there is resistance against him from both sides of the aisle and the media.

Should our nuclear be tippy-top?

It is currently pretty old and tired.

[Pavlov]

And you liberals refuse to consider any other than a government run program rammed down our throats. Here is a good example of how to keep health care costs down, and what happens - instead of gee whiz, $120(/$12) per year to cover each child up to age 19, it's the constant nitpicking like what the media does. If this were available to you in your neighbor, I wonder how many of you would jump at the chance to sign up while continuing to criticize it because it doesn't offer vaccines. Of course, because of ACA, we can't just sign up because we're also on the hook for 2% of our salaries as penalty.Occam's razor: Trump simply didn't know what he was talking about.

[rmt]

Kind of hard to approve people when there aren't any nominations to approve...

He had no clue what needed to happen, and shockingly... didn't do it, so now we get to wait while his inept administration plays catch up.

and:

Your primary goal was for people to have less health insurance?

What? - you just bolded that 149 are awaiting confirmation. Only 49 nominees confirmed in 6 months (1/8 of his 4 year term) - at that rate the 146 awaiting confirmation will take us until half way through his 4 year term. I'm positive Obama's nominees were confirmed at a much quicker pace.

Yes, less health insurance would suit me just fine - insurance companies doing mostly catastrophic insurance and us doing comparison shopping/direct payment for non-catastrophic stuff.

[RandomGuy]

What? - you just bolded that 149 are awaiting confirmation. Only 49 nominees confirmed in 6 months (1/8 of his 4 year term) - at that rate the 146 awaiting confirmation will take us until half way through his 4 year term. I'm positive Obama's nominees were confirmed at a much quicker pace.

Yes, less health insurance would suit me just fine - insurance companies doing mostly catastrophic insurance and us doing comparison shopping/direct payment for non-catastrophic stuff.

Obama's team did its homework. They picked people what would sail through the process. Trump hasn't. Trump hasn't even nominated 1/2 of what he needs to even so.

He is picking talk show hosts to run scientific agencies, and Rick fucking Perry to run the agency he couldn't name and wanted to eliminate. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Should Congress green light people who are really unqualified, and completely abdicate their constitutional responsibilities?

[RandomGuy]

What? - you just bolded that 149 are awaiting confirmation. Only 49 nominees confirmed in 6 months (1/8 of his 4 year term) - at that rate the 146 awaiting confirmation will take us until half way through his 4 year term. I'm positive Obama's nominees were confirmed at a much quicker pace.

Yes, less health insurance would suit me just fine - insurance companies doing mostly catastrophic insurance and us doing comparison shopping/direct payment for non-catastrophic stuff.

... and if you can't afford health insurance?

https://pics.me.me/ca-our-favorite-bible-story-is-when-jesus-met-a-23800071.png

[RandomGuy]

https://pics.me.me/and-jesus-said-screw-you-leper-i-aint-no-libtard-12793446.png

[RandomGuy]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lkfqhqstZX4/WHu4T6PE-fI/AAAAAAAB5Vg/uyXhyiyDlog6HE97P3Hs_XoZmbB2YcWQwCLcB/s320/1jesus.jpg

[RandomGuy]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hSu48Bbvge0/Vw_txbHbm5I/AAAAAAAAScY/_p237Kv6JzEikZcHVH3NEXcHcfcUgJosQCKgB/s1600/1901818_739445762772696_1194726389397534468_n.jpg

[RandomGuy]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/33/2d/64/332d649d861ab6173e20ab5b53796d2e--truths-funny-shit.jpg

[RandomGuy]

https://pics.me.me/republican-jesus-blessed-are-those-who-taketh-away-healthcare-from-20003017.png

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b6/2c/85/b62c853c67c66f36ebcdddb0bcea2ca1.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/religion-jesus-right_wing_politics-right_wing-christianity-religious_teaching-pfin3_low.jpg

[RandomGuy]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_us_40bG1tZk/TJjuct_s6wI/AAAAAAAAASQ/ZdzhXV5_zS8/s1600/republican_platform_on_health_care.jpg

[rmt]

Wow, you're really on a roll, RG. Anybody, who Trump nominates is gonna have a hard time. Look at the well-qualified SC justice - had to do the nuclear option to get him in because Dems RESIST.

[baseline bum]

Wow, you're really on a roll, RG. Anybody, who Trump nominates is gonna have a hard time. Look at the well-qualified SC justice - had to do the nuclear option to get him in because Dems RESIST.

You mean because McConnell stole Obama's appointment.

[RandomGuy]

Wow, you're really on a roll, RG. Anybody, who Trump nominates is gonna have a hard time. Look at the well-qualified SC justice - had to do the nuclear option to get him in because Dems RESIST.

Sorry, but the GOP controls the white house and both arms of Congress.

That excuse doesn't explain the pace of the nominating process, even so.

Can't you find a better talking point to parrot?

[baseline bum]

https://pics.me.me/republican-jesus-blessed-are-those-who-taketh-away-healthcare-from-20003017.png

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b6/2c/85/b62c853c67c66f36ebcdddb0bcea2ca1.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/religion-jesus-right_wing_politics-right_wing-christianity-religious_teaching-pfin3_low.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-LJ_3VbUA

[RandomGuy]

You mean because McConnell stole Obama's appointment.

No reason for Democrats to be upset about that. Fair is fair. That is what elections are for. [/sarcasm]

And we all know the GOP would be screaming bloody fucking murder if the party situation was reversed.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-LJ_3VbUA

That is what boggles my mind.

Christianity and Republican policies... just don't mesh well, without a heavy dose of hypocrisy.

(edit)

Great bit. Franken is very insightful.

Pretty sure Franken knows what the nuclear triad is, and how Russia's isn't quite tippy-top, either.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.biblegateway.com/

Bible gateway. Great place for all versions of the bible, IMO.

Search for the word "poor".

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=poor&qs_version=NIV

176 Bible results for “poor.” Showing results 1-176.

Seems fairly straightforward to me, even as a non-believer.


“If I have denied the desires of the poor
or let the eyes of the widow grow weary,
17 if I have kept my bread to myself,
not sharing it with the fatherless—
18 but from my youth I reared them as a father would,
and from my birth I guided the widow—
19 if I have seen anyone perishing for lack of clothing,
or the needy without garments,
20 and their hearts did not bless me
for warming them with the fleece from my sheep,
21 if I have raised my hand against the fatherless,
knowing that I had influence in court,
22 then let my arm fall from the shoulder,
let it be broken off at the joint.
23 For I dreaded destruction from God,
and for fear of his splendor I could not do such things.

Fair representation there. Seems very unambiguous.

Then you get the asshats who gloss over that:


"The Scripture tells us in 2 Thessalonians 3-10, he says, 'For even when we were with you we gave you this rule: If a man will not work he shall not eat.' And then he goes on to say, 'We hear that some among you are idle,'" the Texas Congressman preached.

Rep. Arrington was trying to jam a cherry-picked Bible passage to fit his own prejudices, namely, that poor people are lazy, or, as The Washington Post, which first reported this story says, many Republicans think those utilizing food stamps are "freeloaders."

"But policy experts say that is not the case. Many unemployed adults on SNAP simply cannot work, they say. Those include the mentally ill, the borderline disabled and veterans," The Post reports.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/watch_gop_congressman_quotes_the_bible_to_deny_foo d_stamps

[boutons_deux]

many adults who WORK need foodstamps

[boutons_deux]

Senate Referee Rejects Key Pieces Of Repeal Bill, Dealing Major Blow To GOP

Abortion provision is out, potentially making bill toxic for conservatives.

the Senate parliamentarianruled (https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Background%20on%20Byrd%20Rule%20decisions_7.21%5B1 %5D.pdf)that nearly a dozen key provisions of GOP repeal legislation violate special procedural rules that Republicans are using to pass their bill.

The list of provisions includes a clause, which many conservatives consider essential, that would defund Planned Parenthood and block federal money from helping to pay for insurance policies that cover abortion.

Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough also ruled out a six-month “lockout” period for people trying to buy insurance after they have let it lapse ― a key policy feature of the Senate bill that insurers say is vital to keeping markets stable.

Politically, the biggest blow for Republicans is the ruling that a provision prohibiting funds from being used to purchase insurance policies that cover abortion. That rider was key to House conservatives accepting their version of the legislation, and

Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows suggested that, without that prohibition, the bill could not pass the House on the way back from the Senate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/senate-parliamentarian-byrd-rule-health-care_us_59727d12e4b00e4363df9867?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=__BREAKING__%20Senate%20Referee%20Rej ects%20Key%20Pieces%20Of%20Repeal%20Bill%20Dealing %20Major%20Blow%20To%20GOP%202017-07-21T225314357Z&utm_content=__BREAKING__%20Senate%20Referee%20Reje cts%20Key%20Pieces%20Of%20Repeal%20Bill%20Dealing% 20Major%20Blow%20To%20GOP%202017-07-21T225314357Z+CID_e360e33cd47499caf6d5cbc3373225ae&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=Read%20More&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__BREAKING__%20Senate%20Refer ee%20Rejects%20Key%20Pieces%20Of%20Repeal%20Bill%2 0Dealing%20Major%20Blow%20To%20GOP%202017-07-21T225314357Z

Christian Supremacists fuck up govt again.

Repugs can't fucking govern their own party, never mind the US govt.

[Th'Pusher]

What shitty job - as far as I'm concerned, he's already done some of what I wanted him to do - appointed a young, conservative to the SC - southern border crossings are way down - less refugees from terrorist countries coming in the US (despite liberal obstructionist judges). It isn't his fault these spineless cowards in Congress can't put a repeal and replace bill on his desk for him to sign. Just exactly what do you expect when his appointments are being approved at snail's pace and there is resistance against him from both sides of the aisle and the media.

Would you say that Trump has done a good job of selling the republican health care plan to the American people?

[rmt]

Would you say that Trump has done a good job of selling the republican health care plan to the American people?

What do you suggest? That he sell it with lies the way Obama did - he did an excellent job selling ACA, didn't he? Smooth and completely on message - how many times did he say we could keep our doctors and our plans and save $2500 per family? What is there to sell - who even knows what this healthcare bill is - it changes everyday as they try to buy off another Senator (and lose another on the opposite end) and it's not even reconciled with the House version.

I no longer care about the messaging coming from the WH - no matter if it was excellent, the media/Dems would still trash it. Stop the Medicaid expansion, put work requirements for it on able-bodied recipients and lower the premiums with choice and competition.

[baseline bum]

What do you suggest? That he sell it with lies the way Obama did - he did an excellent job selling ACA, didn't he? Smooth and completely on message - how many times did he say we could keep our doctors and our plans and save $2500 per family? What is there to sell - who even knows what this healthcare bill is - it changes everyday as they try to buy off another Senator (and lose another on the opposite end) and it's not even reconciled with the House version.

I no longer care about the messaging coming from the WH - no matter if it was excellent, the media/Dems would still trash it. Stop the Medicaid expansion, put work requirements for it on able-bodied recipients and lower the premiums with choice and competition.

Your boy sold it with nothing but lies on the campaign trail. Remember when Trump talked about how he'd cover everyone? How he wasn't like other Republicans because he wouldn't make any cuts to Medicaid? Trump promised one thing and did a complete 180 once his crooked ass got into power.

[rmt]

One is suggesting that Trump do a better job of SELLING this so far non-existent healthcare plan and another is comparing Trump's CAMPAIGN selling of a REALLY non-existent healthcare plan. BB, are you really comparing Trump on the campaign trail and this as of yet non-existent health care bill to Obama (up until October 25, 2013) 36 times lying about ACA that he SIGNED INTO LAW on March 23, 2010.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+aca+keep+your+doctor

[Thread]

One is suggesting that Trump do a better job of SELLING this so far non-existent healthcare plan and another is comparing Trump's CAMPAIGN selling of a REALLY non-existent healthcare plan. BB, are you really comparing Trump on the campaign trail and this as of yet non-existent health care bill to Obama (up until October 25, 2013) 36 times lying about ACA that he SIGNED INTO LAW on March 23, 2010.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+aca+keep+your+doctor

& earlier they told him to stay out of it and it would pass.

It's all horseshit.

[baseline bum]

One is suggesting that Trump do a better job of SELLING this so far non-existent healthcare plan and another is comparing Trump's CAMPAIGN selling of a REALLY non-existent healthcare plan. BB, are you really comparing Trump on the campaign trail and this as of yet non-existent health care bill to Obama (up until October 25, 2013) 36 times lying about ACA that he SIGNED INTO LAW on March 23, 2010.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+aca+keep+your+doctor

LOL ignoring the fact that Trump ran on covering everyone, no exceptions, with better and cheaper healthcare while not cutting Medicaid and instead his plan is to cut 22 million to 32 million people off their insurance while gutting Medicaid. LOL trying to defend Trump's complete bait & switch. All your boy has done is lie about healthcare. It was going to be easy but your boy is such a lazy piece of shit he just let Ryan write the thing after all his campaigning on not being a typical Republican looking to fuck over the working class.

[Adam Lambert]

What do you suggest? That he sell it with lies the way Obama did - he did an excellent job selling ACA, didn't he? Smooth and completely on message - how many times did he say we could keep our doctors and our plans and save $2500 per family? What is there to sell - who even knows what this healthcare bill is - it changes everyday as they try to buy off another Senator (and lose another on the opposite end) and it's not even reconciled with the House version.

I no longer care about the messaging coming from the WH - no matter if it was excellent, the media/Dems would still trash it. Stop the Medicaid expansion, put work requirements for it on able-bodied recipients and lower the premiums with choice and competition.

i suggest the leader of the free world know the very absolute basics of how healthcare works, especially when its central to his campaign and election. i also suggest the people who voted for him hold him to that very low standard instead of doing olympic-level acrobatics to apologize for his fucking ignorance on the subject.

stop being such a stupid fucking lemming and be a good american for a change

[boutons_deux]

"basics of how healthcare works, especially when its central to his campaign and election"

Repugs are dicking around with 25% of the economy. Trash ought to know about it, but he's intellectually stunted, can' concentrate, ADD?, and fucking stupid.

health care doesn't make him more wealthy or aggrandize him, so he has no interest.

[boutons_deux]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lkfqhqstZX4/WHu4T6PE-fI/AAAAAAAB5Vg/uyXhyiyDlog6HE97P3Hs_XoZmbB2YcWQwCLcB/s320/1jesus.jpg

In his only fit of violent anger, He did throe the fucking money men out of the Temple

[boutons_deux]

UPDATE: Senate health repeal FAILS the Byrd Rule; Freedom Caucus throws in the towel! (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/21/1682888/-BREAKING-Senate-health-repeal-FAILS-the-Byrd-Rule-says-Parliamentarian)


https://images.dailykos.com/images/369386/story_image/617596358-it-is-money-money-money-not-ideas-not-principles-but-money-that-reigns-supreme-in-american-politics-robert-byrd.jpg?1487779736

The GOP Senate version of Obamacare repeal, known as BCRA, does not meet the requirements (https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Background%20on%20Byrd%20Rule%20decisions_7.21%5B1 %5D.pdf) of the Byrd Rule in many important areas, according to a ruling from the Senate Parliamentarian. Those provisions would have to be removed from the bill in order for the bill to pass under “reconciliation” rules, i.e., the “Byrd Rule”.
Which means that the bill as it stands would require 60 votes to avoid a Democratic filibuster.


MAJOR UPDATE BELOW, but:

The GOP Senate version of Obamacare repeal, known as BCRA, does not meet the requirements (https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Background%20on%20Byrd%20Rule%20decisions_7.21%5B1 %5D.pdf) of the Byrd Rule in many important areas, according to a ruling from the Senate Parliamentarian. Those provisions would have to be removed from the bill in order for the bill to pass under “reconciliation” rules, i.e., the “Byrd Rule”.

Which means that the bill as it stands would require 60 votes to avoid a Democratic filibuster.


The Senate could theoretically overrule the Parliamentarian, but that would be a declaration-of-war kind of thing, and

give the GOP yet-another black eye in the ethics and honesty department.

So I doubt Mitch would go there on a bill that’s probably doomed anyway.

( that erroneously assume that Bitch M and GOP GAF about "ethics and honestly" )

MAJOR UPDATE:

Mark Meadows, chairman of the far-far-far-right Freedom Caucus (in the House) now says

passage of Trumpcare is “almost impossible,”

according to this tweet from Matt Fuller:


Matt Fuller (https://twitter.com/MEPFuller)
(https://twitter.com/MEPFuller)✔@MEPFuller (https://twitter.com/MEPFuller)

Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows reacts to Parliamentarian striking down the abortion funding prohibition.

"Passage almost impossible."
5:07 PM - 21 Jul 2017 (https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/888520729398063104)



This is big, because it has long been thought that if Mitch can just get something, anything through the Senate, the House would then simply vote for whatever pile of poo-poo the Senate might pass.

But

without the Planned Parenthood part of the bill, it’s clear that the House won’t be able to do that.

Or, to put it more succinctly: anything that the Senate Parliamentarian approves, the Freedom Caucus won’t. Woo-hoo!

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/21/1682888/-BREAKING-Senate-health-repeal-FAILS-the-Byrd-Rule-says-Parliamentarian?detail=emaildkre

[Adam Lambert]

889036199716941824

[boutons_deux]

"We can't afford single-payer"

... is not the answer, nor is public option.

the only solution is Medicare for all, which will be blocked by BigInsurance.

Repugs found $1B+ for a tiny piece of Trash's wall which will destroy a very old wildlife preserve.

The Repugs will move on from govt property to stealing private property to build Trash's wall.

[ducks]

President Donald Trump will address the nation at 3:15 p.m. Eastern on Monday, according to a tweet by a USA Today editor that was retweeted by the official USA Today Twitter account:

BREAKING: President Trump to address nation about health care Monday at 3:15 p.m. ET. Full coverage @usatoday

— Carolyn Cerbin (@carolyncerbin) July 24, 2017

[baseline bum]

President Donald Trump will address the nation at 3:15 p.m. Eastern on Monday, according to a tweet by a USA Today editor that was retweeted by the official USA Today Twitter account:

BREAKING: President Trump to address nation about health care Monday at 3:15 p.m. ET. Full coverage @usatoday

— Carolyn Cerbin (@carolyncerbin) July 24, 2017

:vomit:

I wonder if he'll claim it's universal coverage without any cuts to Medicaid like he did on the campaign trail.

[spurraider21]

:vomit:

I wonder if he'll claim it's universal coverage without any cuts to Medicaid like he did on the campaign trail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8mcN0zweQE

[Adam Lambert]

"We can't afford single-payer"

... is not the answer, nor is public option.

the only solution is Medicare for all, which will be blocked by BigInsurance.

Repugs found $1B+ for a tiny piece of Trash's wall which will destroy a very old wildlife preserve.

The Repugs will move on from govt property to stealing private property to build Trash's wall.



“SINGLE PAYER IS THE ONLY REAL ANSWER,” SAYS MEDICARE ARCHITECT.

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/trumpcare-is-dead-single-payer-is-the-only-real-answer-says-medicare-architect/

[SnakeBoy]

“SINGLE PAYER IS THE ONLY REAL ANSWER,” SAYS MEDICARE ARCHITECT.

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/trumpcare-is-dead-single-payer-is-the-only-real-answer-says-medicare-architect/

"Medicare for all" is single payer. Boutons seems to think it's something different.

[spurraider21]

"Medicare for all" is single payer. Boutons seems to think it's something different.
inb4 "YOU LIE" and unintelligible rant about you rightwingnuts and repugs

[boutons_deux]

Medicare-for-All vs. Single Payer: The Impact of Labels


http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-MT732_Health_P_20160224211621.jpg

http://www.kff.org/health-reform/perspective/medicare-for-all-vs-single-payer-the-impact-of-labels/

Exaclty like KY people who like their "KYnect" because it ain't that goddamn Muslim knitter's "Obamacare"

[boutons_deux]

Republicans want to break Obamacare, then spend billions of dollars to clean up the mess

“It is impossible to overcome that basic arithmetic reality.”

Republicans are prepared to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to mitigate problems their own bill is creating.

The Senate health bill (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/22/15846728/senate-plan-better-care-reconciliation-act) scales back financial assistance for people buying private coverage. It allows plans (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/29/15890954/senate-health-care-bill-insurance-regulations-ted-cruz) that do not comply with the law’s insurance regulations back on the market.

And it ends generous federal funding for Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, which has covered millions of the poorest Americans.

this has left Senate Republicans in the somewhat awkward position of amending a bill to fix the problems that same bill creates. :lol

Republicans have already added $182 billion in stabilization funding to the plan and are reportedly ready (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/342853-source-senate-leaders-to-offer-200b-to-win-over-moderates) to add $200 billion to partially offset the Medicaid expansion cuts.

Yet according to experts, it’s not nearly enough. The end result is still a cut in benefits for Americans affected by the changes, and millions more people becoming uninsured.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/24/16011264/senate-health-care-bill-stabilization-funding-medicaid-wraparound

This how Repugs govern because they hate govt, and hate the citizens of the lower 4 quintiles.

[spurraider21]

Medicare-for-All vs. Single Payer: The Impact of Labels


http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-MT732_Health_P_20160224211621.jpg

http://www.kff.org/health-reform/perspective/medicare-for-all-vs-single-payer-the-impact-of-labels/

Exaclty like KY people like their "KYnect" becaus it ain't that goddamn Muslim knitter's "Obamacare"
yes and there are a bunch of pulls that showed different results for obamacare and aca

[baseline bum]

yes and there are a bunch of pulls that showed different results for obamacare and aca

Frank Luntz made labels really matter back in the 90s. Hence the death tax, job creators, etc. It sounds stupid and it is that a label matters so much for how voters react, but oh well, Americans are stupid then.

[boutons_deux]

Frank Luntz made labels really matter back in the 90s. Hence the death tax, job creators, etc.

takers, moochers, death panels, socialism, welfare queens, young bucks

God loves stupid, ignorant Americans, is why He made several 10Ms of them, Hand-made out of Biblical drilling mud, and Ditsy Devos plans to make them "more stupider", for profit.

[spurraider21]

racists, xenophobes, homophobes, misogynists, bigots

God loves stupid, ignorant Americans, is why He made several 10Ms of them, out of drilling mud, and Ditsy Devos plans to make them "more stupider", for profit.

[boutons_deux]

"racists, xenophobes, homophobes, misogynists, bigots"

statements of facts accepted by those who to which they apply, are not labels fabricated to queer, obfuscate, mislead political perceptions

[Adam Lambert]

:lmao :lmao
the senate is voting in less than 24 hours on a bill they havent seen.

[baseline bum]

:cry The Democrats aren't giving us one vote on the bill we created in secret without any of their input or even allowing them to see it :cry

[baseline bum]

:lol The Democrats are obstructionists after the Republicans obstructed everything for eight years :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol The Democrats are obstructionists after the Republicans obstructed everything for eight years :lol
what do you mean?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HJuaQL3KRI

[Adam Lambert]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQJrem2w6oo

[Thread]

:lol The Democrats are obstructionists after the Republicans obstructed everything for eight years :lol

Hard to argue with this. Ye reap what ye sow.

[ducks]

Hard to argue with this. Ye reap what ye sow.

It was wrong for the republicans and it is wrong for the democrats
GET THE JOB done
The democrats right now are the ones messing up. They should repeal it and get 12 people
3 conservative republicans 3 modern and 3 liberal democrats 3 modem democrats and get a bill written
they should lock them up without food for however long required

[ducks]

:lol The Democrats are obstructionists after the Republicans obstructed everything for eight years :lol

why it is funny peoples lives are effected by this
the current bill that is law is failing
the republicans were right fighting it but they should have helped write the bill

[baseline bum]

why it is funny peoples lives are effected by this
the current bill that is law is failing
the republicans were right fighting it but they should have helped write the bill

It's funny seeing the GOP whine after 8 years of complete obstruction, including stealing Obama's last supreme court appointment.

[Thread]

It's funny seeing the GOP whine after 8 years of complete obstruction, including stealing Obama's last supreme court appointment.

Damn, bum, you're repeatedly kicking us in the old bread basket.

[boutons_deux]

Trump administration scraps Obamacare signup assistance in 18 cities



The Trump administration has ended Affordable Care Act contracts that brought assistance to 18 cities.
People will have 45 days to shop for 2018 coverage, half the time of previous years.


President Donald Trump's (http://www.cnbc.com/donald-trump/) administration has ended Affordable Care Act contracts that brought assistance into libraries, businesses and urban neighborhoods in 18 cities, meaning shoppers on the insurance exchanges will have fewer places to turn for help signing up for coverage.

Community groups say the move, announced to them by contractors last week, will make it even more difficult to enroll the uninsured and help people already covered re-enroll or shop for a new policy. That's already a concern because of consumer confusion stemming from the political wrangling in Washington and a shorter enrollment period.

another attempt to undermine the health law's marketplaces by a president who has suggested he should let "Obamacare" fail.

The administration has already threatened to withhold payments to insurers to help people afford care, which would prompt insurers to sharply increase prices.

"It's not letting the law fail, it's making the law fail."

Two companies — McLean, Virginia-based Cognosante and Falls Church, Virginia-based CSRA (http://www.cnbc.com/quotes?symbol=CSRA) — will no longer help with the sign-ups following a decision by Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services officials not to renew a final option year of the vendors' contracts.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/20/trump-administration-scraps-obamacare-signup-assistance-in-18-cities.html

I have no doubt that the corrupt Tom Price is studying, or even has, lots of other ways to screw up Obamacare without needing to repeal it.

[boutons_deux]

TX obese greasebag, and he wants to shoot 'em, too. Repug misogyny, undeniable

GOP congressman blames health care struggles on ‘repugnant’ Republican ‘female senators’

https://thinkprogress.org/gop-congressman-blames-health-care-struggle-on-repugnant-republican-female-senators-ca4a2f32c5d7

[ducks]

McCain voting tomorrow