Alexandria ocasio Cortez is a breath of fresh air

[koriwhat]

I see both your points. Just kinda cracks me up when most will just vote for whom looks and sounds (prioritizes) their own demographic.

i gave that up a while ago. i wasted my votes prior and don't intend on participating any longer until i see a real candidate or i have to help stop the disease that is liberalism.

[hater]

that's the problem though; we know AOC got her votes because of the dipshits in NY but trump wasn't ushered into office by rednecks only. you're fooling yourself if you believe such lefty talking points.

Yes he was he was ushered by toothless rednecks because they are the ones who voted. The other side didnt vote because of Shitlery

The main reason a moron like Trump won is because Hillary ran against him

You are fooling yourself if you believe otherwise

[DMC]

Yes he was he was ushered by toothless rednecks because they are the ones who voted. The other side didnt vote because of Shitlery

The main reason a moron like Trump won is because Hillary ran against him

You are fooling yourself if you believe otherwise

Nuh uh... Rusher did it.

[koriwhat]

Yes he was he was ushered by toothless rednecks because they are the ones who voted. The other side didnt vote because of Shitlery

The main reason a moron like Trump won is because Hillary ran against him

You are fooling yourself if you believe otherwise

am i? most of my clients are military and none of which are rednecks; guess who they all voted for smartass 2face.

[FrostKing]

i gave that up a while ago. i wasted my votes prior and don't intend on participating any longer until i see a real candidate or i have to help stop the disease that is liberalism.
Are you white?

Clearly in the Western world liberalism doesn't prioritize whites (one could argue seeks to weaken) so clearly you are supporting your own. On the flip side I don't necessarily fault one of Mexican heritage that votes Democrat. Their argument that it's out of morality or "the best for America today" is a lie (until whites are no longer the majority)

[FrostKing]

Yes he was he was ushered by toothless rednecks because they are the ones who voted. The other side didnt vote because of Shitlery

The main reason a moron like Trump won is because Hillary ran against him

You are fooling yourself if you believe otherwise
Voter turn out wasn't that low.

[koriwhat]

Are you white?

Clearly in the Western world liberalism doesn't prioritize whites (one could argue seeks to weaken) so clearly you are supporting your own. On the flip side I don't necessarily fault one of Mexican heritage that votes Democrat. Their argument that it's out of morality or "the best for America today" is a lie (until whites are no longer the majority)

yep, i'm white or more salmon lol.

and no i didn't vote this time around because i'm sickened by all candidates but more so those touted by the left. i finally wised up to the fraud party of communists and sat 2016 out.

[hater]

am i? most of my clients are military and none of which are rednecks; guess who they all voted for smartass 2face.

And? Most of your clients are probably straight republican ticket so are 40something % of americans

Depends where you live an your business. Doesnt mean anything

We all know Trump won only because Shillary was so shit she was not able to convince Obama voters to go out to the polls. Had Obama ran vs Trump, Trump woulda gotten absolutely obliterated and embarrassed.

Again Trump won mostly because Shillary was such a bad candidate. No matter how you spin it that is the bare truth

[koriwhat]

And? Most of your clients are probably straight republican ticket

how the fuck do you know? you claimed they're all rednecks too but none of them are rednecks. so again, you're not genuine and you parrot the same bs propagated by the left lefty.

[hater]

I didnt say your clients are rednecks, dipshit. I said rednecks made the difference in his win.

Your clients are obviously republican or rednecks. There is no other option. Unless they are fucking martians :lol

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/notwokieleaks/status/1096237378497380352?s=20

Fresh air.

[FrostKing]

I didnt say your clients are rednecks, dipshit. I said rednecks made the difference in his win.

Your clients are obviously republican or rednecks. There is no other option. Unless they are fucking martians :lol
Are you new to American politics? Yah rednecks vote Red.

Your frustration should be aimed at middle class Northerners

[hater]

Are you new to American politics? Yah rednecks vote Red.

Your frustration should be aimed at middle class Northerners

I aint frustrated niga

I was rooting for Trump :lol

I aint no redneck but I damn well was not gonna go vote for the orange bastard. But he still > shillery

[DarrinS]

1096385402200645634

[rmt]

These people deserve who they elect (she's nuts) - this war drives out corporations and rich people - and the loss of jobs (yikes!).

In Connecticut, "they've driven out all the rich people. California is doing the same thing. I know a lot of rich people who have left California," (Charlie) Munger added. "I think it's really stupid for a state to drive the rich people out. "They are old, they keep your hospitals busy, they don't burden your schools, police departments or prisons. They give a lot. Who wouldn't want rich people?"

C'mon down to Florida.

[hater]

IMO this is more economically ignorant :lmao

“I will eliminate US debt by my 2nd term”

Donald Trump predicts he could rid the United States of its $19 trillion debt in two terms as president.

Eliminating the national debt, which Trump said he could accomplish "over a period of eight years” :lol


https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/02/politics/donald-trump-national-debt/index.html

[CosmicCowboy]

IMO this is more economically ignorant :lmao

“I will eliminate US debt by my 2nd term”

Donald Trump predicts he could rid the United States of its $19 trillion debt in two terms as president.

Eliminating the national debt, which Trump said he could accomplish "over a period of eight years” :lol


https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/02/politics/donald-trump-national-debt/index.html

:lmao

It's even dumber to actually believe anything Trump says. He can't go one day without a 4 pinnochio tweet.

[boutons_deux]

CA raised taxes, essentially no wealthy left

rmt suckered as always by rightwinghate media

Do millionaires really leave the state when taxes get higher?

For Republicans — and many moderate Democrats — income and wealth migration is not only a very real threat, but a problem that’s already upon us as Connecticut increasingly raises taxes to cover surging pension costs.

Among labor, urban Democrats and other progressives, however, the millionaire-with-a-suitcase is a myth, a fiscal boogey man used to scare liberals.

But despite the preponderance of stories of wealthy residents fleeing Connecticut,

the empirical evidence shows the rich tend to move less frequently than low- and middle-income residents.

The need for employment is still one of the main reasons people move

while home and business ownership — most common among high-income households — promote stability.

https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-millionaires-leaving-ct-1226-20181226-dy2bmxno7fdpnbeeojoowcuwyi-story.html

Munger is senile old fuck looking after his own $Bs.

[rmt]

CA raised taxes, essentially no wealthy left

rmt suckered as always by rightwinghate media

Do millionaires really leave the state when taxes get higher?

For Republicans — and many moderate Democrats — income and wealth migration is not only a very real threat, but a problem that’s already upon us as Connecticut increasingly raises taxes to cover surging pension costs.

Among labor, urban Democrats and other progressives, however, the millionaire-with-a-suitcase is a myth, a fiscal boogey man used to scare liberals.

But despite the preponderance of stories of wealthy residents fleeing Connecticut,

the empirical evidence shows the rich tend to move less frequently than low- and middle-income residents.

The need for employment is still one of the main reasons people move

while home and business ownership — most common among high-income households — promote stability.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/san-francisco-public-defender-jail-strip-searches_n_5c658e39e4b0bcddd40f78a0?ncid=newsltush pmgnews__TheMorningEmail__021519

Munger is senile old fuck looking after his own $Bs.




And YOU are getting senile with your linking to an article named "Women Complain Of Humiliating, Illegal Strip Searches In San Francisco Jail"

[boutons_deux]

And YOU are getting senile with your linking to an article named "Women Complain Of Humiliating, Illegal Strip Searches In San Francisco Jail"

GFY

[rmt]

GFY

Change the link pls - put the right one.

[CosmicCowboy]

And YOU are getting senile with your linking to an article named "Women Complain Of Humiliating, Illegal Strip Searches In San Francisco Jail"

Boo accidentally posted his whackoff material. :lol

[hater]

:lmao

It's even dumber to actually believe anything Trump says. He can't go one day without a 4 pinnochio tweet.

:lol

[Spurminator]

1096190568043028485?s=19

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1096491093728903168

[hater]

Voter turn out wasn't that low.

When the difference is a couple million votes, “that” is a key word

[hater]

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1096491093728903168


Lol ocasio “ran” amazon put of NYC :lmao

This niga is charlie partoting fake news out in left field

Pathetic

[koriwhat]

IMO this is more economically ignorant :lmao

“I will eliminate US debt by my 2nd term”

Donald Trump predicts he could rid the United States of its $19 trillion debt in two terms as president.

Eliminating the national debt, which Trump said he could accomplish "over a period of eight years” :lol


https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/02/politics/donald-trump-national-debt/index.html

no one thought gdp would hit 3 let alone 4. who knows? laugh now and cry later hater.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1096499484341735425

[CosmicCowboy]

As a practical matter AOC and Castro's "resolution" won't accomplish shit other than to get them a little publicity.

[CosmicCowboy]

Hopefully they fail. I want this national emergency move to work beautifully, I want that wall built, and I wanna laugh my ass off at all of you Trumptards sweating bullets when the next Democrat president takes office with this national emergency power play.

I agree that the "national emergency" decision was a fucking stupid precedent. I can already see a 2021 "national emergency" with some hairbrained economy crushing shit on climate change.

[Chris]

Hopefully they fail. I want this national emergency move to work beautifully, I want that wall built, and I wanna laugh my ass off at all of you Trumptards sweating bullets when the next Democrat president takes office with this national emergency power play.

It's all about triggering the "Trumptards" for mono :tu

[Chris]

Used to be, now it’s about forcing gun control, voting rights, and climate change down your throats. You better pray to your fake Christian god that Republicans never lose the Presidency.

:lmao

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1096533817907703810

Damn :wow

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1096547797464240129

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1096547797464240129Is he actually on the payroll or is it fake news?

[Chris]

Is he actually on the payroll or is it fake news?

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1096420134435123201

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1096420134435123201Is he actually on the payroll or is this fake news?

[Chris]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzdQq_LX4AAMDpZ.jpg:large

[Pavlov]

Is he actually on the payroll or is this fake news?

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1096533817907703810

Damn :wow
huh? she's saying spouses get this privilege all the time and she's just giving it to her boyfriend.

[DMC]

huh? she's saying spouses get this privilege all the time and she's just giving it to her boyfriend.

Spouses get access to a lot of things that BF/GF don't.

Why mention giving it to a spouse as an example of giving it to a BF?

[Pavlov]

Spouses get access to a lot of things that BF/GF don't.

Why mention giving it to a spouse as an example of giving it to a BF?Because they probably get access without being paid employees as well.

No one has proved this is illegal or unethical or that he's being paid for anything. I'll wait.

[DMC]

Because they probably get access without being paid employees as well.

No one has proved this is illegal or unethical or that he's being paid for anything. I'll wait.

It's a poor comparison. I didn't say anything about the legality of what's actually being done.

[Pavlov]

It's a poor comparison.Why? If he is being given the same access in the same manner as spouses and it's allowed, it's a perfect comparison.

[DMC]

Why? If he is being given the same access in the same manner as spouses and it's allowed, it's a perfect comparison.

:lol ok

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/jasoninthehouse/status/1096564897167491072

[spurraider21]

:lmao but his emails :lmao

[Spurminator]

nepotism bad now

[BD24]

nah i am equating her no life experience as well as shit education. being a bartender isn't equivalent to being someone who should be in the position she is in to push her shit policies on the nation.

you look for what you want to discredit my main point but it doesn't matter at the end of the day because i already knew you were a dumbass.
The dropout with a GED calling a degree from Boston University a shit education, you really can't make this stuff up :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

Oh wow. A degree from Boston university! Let's let her run the new green dream!!!

[Chris]

So fresh! So face!

[spurraider21]

under-qualified politicians bad now

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1096602329346904065

[midnightpulp]

Is he actually on the payroll or is this fake news?

"Nothing burger."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-didn-160300976.html

[Chris]

"Nothing burger."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-didn-160300976.html

The right has obsessed over Ocasio-Cortez ever since she upended the Democratic establishment last summer. Conspiracy theories have emerged over her socioeconomic status (her clothes, childhood home, and even her public high school did not look poor enough, so she must have been lying about her working class background) and there has been extensive criticism of her dancing, how she's allegedly "not successful in real life," and her failure to smile.

lol wtf is this shit^ :lol


from the comments:


The article left out that her boyfriend is listed in the staff directory and listed as an “employee”.

"Nothing burger."

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1096615012133670914

[rmt]

Bezos good now

25K jobs - smh - and this girl has the nerve to be gleeful about it - that economics degree should be revoked.

[Nathan89]

"Ocasio-Cortez cited statistics from Colorado and Washington, where marijuana is legal for recreational use, that 73 percent of cannabis business executives are male and 81 percent are white."

"She raised the possibility of “affirmative-action licensing” to boost the number of minorities in local cannabis businesses so that “frontline communities” could now “reap the benefits or recoup some segment of costs that they bore in the 1990s during the war on drugs.”"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ocasio-cortez-slams-racial-injustice-044237421.html?bcmt=1

Fresh air complains that minorities aren't taking initiative and investing in a new industry. Her solution is government intervention based on skin color or gender.

[rmt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnqg_mPLH8s

[Nathan89]

Fresh air thinks they have 3 billion now. :lmao

[rmt]

Whoever this Dem is has the goods about this girl:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KVdV6UjziQ

[midnightpulp]

lol wtf is this shit^ :lol


from the comments:


The article left out that her boyfriend is listed in the staff directory and listed as an “employee”.

"Nothing burger."

If he's drawing a check, it will come out. Link to the staff directory where he's listed as an employee?

[Bill_Brasky]

Oh wow. A degree from Boston university! Let's let her run the new green dream!!!

Oh boy. Everything he touches literally turns to shit, and every time he opens his mouth he reveals that he has shit for brains. Let's elect him president!

[Bill_Brasky]

If he's drawing a check, it will come out. Link to the staff directory where he's listed as an employee?

It's funny that you think Trump believers will ever actually back up any of the claims they make.

[Winehole23]

So long as libs are triggered, lying is axiomatically good.

There is no more conservative ethos, own the libs is the whole of it.

[Will Hunting]

It’s actually impressive that the best conservatives have come up with on AOC is the nickname Sandy she had in high school, the outfit she was wearing for a photo shoot that shouldn’t be able to afford, bug eyed pictures, and a video of her dancing in college. She must have no skeletons ar all when thousands of people obsessed with trying to create negative press for her can’t find anything real :lol

[boutons_deux]

So long as libs are triggered, lying is axiomatically good.

There is no more conservative ethos, own the libs is the whole of it.

aka, All Politics, All The Time, campaigning, even when you're in office and should be governing for All The People.

[midnightpulp]

:lol it's also funny that Republicans are frothing at the mouth to "blame" Cortez for killing the Amazon deal (because they fear her rising stardom and her message that resonates with many everyday hard-working Americans) when it was Senator Michael Gianaris who spearheaded the effort. Also, let's look at some of the facts here:

- Amazon refused to work with unions.

- City councilmen and congressional representatives are elected to represent their specific districts, so if Cortez's district was against the Amazon project, she's obligated to fight for that interest. The councilmen who reps the district was also against the project. This leads me to the believe the local residents were against it. And we have a poll to kind of prove it...

- 56% of New York voters statewide were for the project. But again, statewide. Of course someone who lives in Albany or Buffalo is going to be for it since they live far away from any repercussions the project might bring to the local community.

- Those repercussions can include rising rents and displacement of local citizens and small businesses.

- One of the councilmen said where the project might make sense for Scranton or Nashville, it doesn't make sense for Long Island City, NY. Why is this? Because New York is densely packed with an innumerable amount of options to live that never places you too many miles from where you need to commute. This means there was a risk that all those "25000 high paying jobs" would be living and spending their money in more "glamorous" places like Manhattan, while simply commuting to LIC for work. Meanwhile, the local community around the complex rots (due to speculative rising rents that would displace citizens).

- And it wasn't 25000 "high paying" jobs.


However, there was no guarantee that New Yorkers would be hired to fill a majority of the Amazon positions and half of the those jobs were not expected to be tech related.

"No guarantee New Yorkers would be hired." So this means Amazon could very well import many Chinese and Indian tech-workers on H1B1 visas (what happens in Silicon Valley) or at the very least import them from other places in the country. Meanwhile, the residents get the shit warehouse jobs. Anyhow, LIC's unemployment rate is 3.4%. It doesn't look the city really needs any menial jobs.

[Winehole23]

:lol it's also funny that Republicans are frothing at the mouth to "blame" Cortez for killing the Amazon deal (because they fear her rising stardom and her message that resonates with many everyday hard-working Americans) when it was Senator Michael Gianaris who spearheaded the effortYep.

The concerted right wing effort to monster AOC tends to propel her to a level of prominence and influence she could hardly hope to get all on her own.

[midnightpulp]

Time to install some cognitive dissonance in my man Chris:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-h-1b_us_5890d86ce4b0522c7d3d84af

When the left's version of Fox News agrees with Trump on the way tech companies undercut skilled American workers through visas, you know it's rotten. Methinks Amazon would do similar.

[Nathan89]

:lol it's also funny that Republicans are frothing at the mouth to "blame" Cortez for killing the Amazon deal (because they fear her rising stardom and her message that resonates with many everyday hard-working Americans) when it was Senator Michael Gianaris who spearheaded the effort. Also, let's look at some of the facts here:

- Amazon refused to work with unions.

- City councilmen and congressional representatives are elected to represent their specific districts, so if Cortez's district was against the Amazon project, she's obligated to fight for that interest. The councilmen who reps the district was also against the project. This leads me to the believe the local residents were against it. And we have a poll to kind of prove it...

- 56% of New York voters statewide were for the project. But again, statewide. Of course someone who lives in Albany or Buffalo is going to be for it since they live far away from any repercussions the project might bring to the local community.

- Those repercussions can include rising rents and displacement of local citizens and small businesses.

- One of the councilmen said where the project might make sense for Scranton or Nashville, it doesn't make sense for Long Island City, NY. Why is this? Because New York is densely packed with an innumerable amount of options to live that never places you too many miles from where you need to commute. This means there was a risk that all those "25000 high paying jobs" would be living and spending their money in more "glamorous" places like Manhattan, while simply commuting to LIC for work. Meanwhile, the local community around the complex rots (due to speculative rising rents that would displace citizens).

- And it wasn't 25000 "high paying" jobs.



"No guarantee New Yorkers would be hired." So this means Amazon could very well import many Chinese and Indian tech-workers on H1B1 visas (what happens in Silicon Valley) or at the very least import them from other places in the country. Meanwhile, the residents get the shit warehouse jobs. Anyhow, LIC's unemployment rate is 3.4%. It doesn't look the city really needs any menial jobs.

Unless you have a poll that says her district didn't want it then there is no need to bring up the point.

She's for open borders. Why is she so concerned about displaced citizens?

She thinks they have 3 billion to spend on the poors now.

[CosmicCowboy]

Amazon wasn't even building in her district.

[Spurminator]

Unless you have a poll that says her district didn't want it then there is no need to bring up the point.

:lol

It's a valid point. You just don't like it.

(Proceeds to pivot to "open borders")

[Nathan89]

Amazon wasn't even building in her district.

I was going to add that after I commented.

[Nathan89]

:lol

It's a valid point. You just don't like it.

(Proceeds to pivot to "open borders")

As mentioned it's not in her district so that's not relevant. The only polls I've seen support Amazon. Speculating on potential non-support is irrelevant.

Pointing out the inconsistency of being concerned about displacement but being for open borders is very relevant.

[rmt]

You guys can spin in any way you want but jobs (whether high paying or not) are jobs - that means more for surrounding/supporting businesses and taxes for city/county/state.

[midnightpulp]

Unless you have a poll that says her district didn't want it then there is no need to bring up the point.

She's for open borders. Why is she so concerned about displaced citizens?

She thinks they have 3 billion to spend on the poors now.

Cortez didn't lead the fight. And the councilman who represents that specific district was against Amazon building there. This leads me to believe the majority of his constituents were against it. And when you look up that district's economy, it doesn't seem to me they were hurting for Amazon.

[midnightpulp]

You guys can spin in any way you want but jobs (whether high paying or not) are jobs - that means more for surrounding/supporting businesses and taxes for city/county/state.

Horseshit.

[Spurminator]

As mentioned it's not in her district so that's not relevant. The only polls I've seen support Amazon. Speculating on potential non-support is irrelevant.

Pointing out the inconsistency of being concerned about displacement but being for open borders is very relevant.

Support of the affected district is relevant, it has nothing to do with whether it's AOC's or not. You don't like the speculation because it doesn't help your narrative. Statewide support is far less relevant than the likely non-support of those affected directly.

[midnightpulp]

Amazon wasn't even building in her district.

The councilman who reps the district was against it.

[Will Hunting]

:lol the statewide support argument

“:cry it’s not fair that Amazon couldn’t get a bunch of corporate welfare from residents of NYC that people in Albany and Binghamton were willing to give out! :cry“

[Nathan89]

Support of the affected district is relevant, it has nothing to do with whether it's AOC's or not. You don't like the speculation because it doesn't help your narrative. Statewide support is far less relevant than the likely non-support of those affected directly.

The speculation is just speculation. It's irrelevant if it supports my narrative.

Statewide poll is more relevant than speculation of a district poll.

[midnightpulp]

Support of the affected district is relevant, it has nothing to do with whether it's AOC's or not. You don't like the speculation because it doesn't help your narrative. Statewide support is far less relevant than the likely non-support of those affected directly.

As I was saying:

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-nyc-queens-real-estate-2019-2

Good. I'm glad predatory real estate speculators got fuckin' punched. Here's what the RMTs, Nathans, and Cowboys don't consider: Once Amazon would start building, real estate owners start raising the rent on locals and local businesses, fully intent on, say, driving out the local coffee shop owner in hopes a fuckin' Starbucks franchise replaces it.

Also, it's not guaranteed the surrounding local community would see an economic boost because the Amazon employees still have to spend money there, when in a city like New York, it's probable they would commute from outside the area. California is the same way, although not as densely packed. You have a major employer in a run-down area that people commute to, preferring not to live or really patronize businesses in the run-down area. And as often is the case, the run-down area gets even more run-down because real estate speculators, acting on the logic that the business coming into the area would boost its surroundings, buy up property and raise rent. Then when things don't go as planned, you have a bunch of vacant buildings in the area due to the real estate speculators sitting on the property until they can finally sell it/lease it for a profit.

[Nathan89]

Something tells me the district is full of people that support politicians that protect illegals and push for open borders but are now concerned about displacement. Selfish people tbh.

I've heard some outcry about gentrification. Why? Why wouldn't we want to improve the area?

People move to an area and improve it. Bad.

Illegals move to an area and... Good.

[Will Hunting]

Support of the affected district is relevant, it has nothing to do with whether it's AOC's or not. You don't like the speculation because it doesn't help your narrative. Statewide support is far less relevant than the likely non-support of those affected directly.
But what about all the people in Utica and Rochester who wanted NYC to take it up the ass in sacrificing property tax revenue!

[koriwhat]

The dropout with a GED calling a degree from Boston University a shit education, you really can't make this stuff up :lol

it's funny how you want to try to keep insulting me just because i got a GED but leave out the fact that i also go an Associate's Degree so why not just harp on that?

you're a fucking retard just like AOC is with her shit economics background. if you were to put 2 and 2 together you'd realize how out there she is and how real economics play no part in her outlandish ideas.

either way, you're still a faggot.

[Nathan89]

Goodness more concern about displacement by mid.

[rmt]

As I was saying:

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-nyc-queens-real-estate-2019-2

Good. I'm glad predatory real estate speculators got fuckin' punched. Here's what the RMTs, Nathans, and Cowboys don't consider: Once Amazon would start building, real estate owners start raising the rent on locals and local businesses, fully intent on, say, driving out the local coffee shop owner in hopes a fuckin' Starbucks franchise replaces it.

Also, it's not guaranteed the surrounding local community would see an economic boost because the Amazon employees still have to spend money there, when in a city like New York, it's probable they would commute from outside the area. California is the same way, although not as densely packed. You have a major employer in a run-down area that people commute to, preferring not to live or really patronize businesses in the run-down area. And as often is the case, the run-down area gets even more run-down because real estate speculators, acting on the logic that the business coming into the area would boost its surroundings, buy up property and raise rent. Then when things don't go as planned, you have a bunch of vacant buildings in the area due to the real estate speculators sitting on the property until they can finally sell it/lease it for a profit.

So you saying all those 100+? cities vying for Amazon to come to their city are crazy? That this is the effect that a big employer brings? You really think that a place where 25k people go to everyday is going to be surrounded by a bunch of vacant buildings. Those properties are not going to be sitting long. We're not talking Google here which provides free food for its employees. Amazon doesn't. Where do you think people will eat breakfast/lunch/maybe dinner if they work late?

[midnightpulp]

Something tells me the district is full of people that support politicians that protect illegals and push for open borders but are now concerned about displacement. Selfish people tbh.

I've heard some outcry about gentrification. Why? Why wouldn't we want to improve the area?

People move to an area and improve it. Bad.

Illegals move to an area and... Good.

Because the area doesn't always neatly "gentrify" like logic says it would. There's these things called cars and trains that allow someone to live outside the area of their place of work. Combine this with the rise in online retail, and there's no guarantee the surrounding area flourishes with commerce. Then all that's left is a bunch of blighted buildings that real estate speculators stubbornly don't do anything with hoping something eventually happens that will allow them to sell/lease at a profit. This exact same thing happens all the time in California since we're such a populated state with many cities within 10-20 miles of each other, meaning if you build something like an Amazon in Stockton, CA (very run down city), they're going to live in whatever the nearest nicest city is and just commute to Stockton for work.

I don't know what that district's community supports, but I do know the councilman who represents the district was against Amazon. Councilmen usually have accurate reading of their constituents' collective pulse.

[BD24]

it's funny how you want to try to keep insulting me just because i got a GED but leave out the fact that i also go an Associate's Degree so why not just harp on that?

you're a fucking retard just like AOC is with her shit economics background. if you were to put 2 and 2 together you'd realize how out there she is and how real economics play no part in her outlandish ideas.

either way, you're still a faggot.
:cry But muh associates degree :cry

i would think you were more intelligent if you would have just gotten ur ged tbh. An associates degree is generally an entirely worthless degree with the exception of a select few degrees.

[rmt]

:cry But muh associates degree :cry

i would think you were more intelligent if you would have just gotten ur ged tbh. An associates degree is generally an entirely worthless degree with the exception of a select few degrees.

Give me koriwhat and his GED/AA than this idiot with her BS with honors in ECONOMICS.

[midnightpulp]

So you saying all those 100+? cities vying for Amazon to come to their city are crazy? That this is the effect that a big employer brings? You really think that a place where 25k people go to everyday is going to be surrounded by a bunch of vacant buildings. Those properties are not going to be sitting long. We're not talking Google here which provides free food for its employees. Amazon doesn't. Where do you think people will eat breakfast/lunch/maybe dinner if they work late?

No. Just that not every city is created equal. :lol Of course Mayors are going to be foaming at the mouth to bring in Amazon, but Mayors don't unequivocally call the shots, which is why we have councilmen as a counterbalance. No good Amazon's Queens location does the residents of Queens if Manhattan is reaping all the rewards. I've seen this situation play out in California a lot.

[koriwhat]

Whoever this Dem is has the goods about this girl:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KVdV6UjziQ

tim pool who got popular from coverage of the occupy wallstreet movement. he had a pretty interesting podcast with joe rogan recently discussing pol's and shit jack dorsey's podcast the week prior.

[koriwhat]

:cry But muh associates degree :cry

i would think you were more intelligent if you would have just gotten ur ged tbh. An associates degree is generally an entirely worthless degree with the exception of a select few degrees.

both are worthless just like most held by those coming out of a 4 yr college. either way, no god damn degree is going to help me in the field i work in so what exactly are you trying to get at you weak fucking troll?

[Pavlov]

So you saying all those 100+? cities vying for Amazon to come to their city are crazy? That this is the effect that a big employer brings? You really think that a place where 25k people go to everyday is going to be surrounded by a bunch of vacant buildings. Those properties are not going to be sitting long. We're not talking Google here which provides free food for its employees. Amazon doesn't. Where do you think people will eat breakfast/lunch/maybe dinner if they work late?The question is why give $3 billion worth of incentives to a company that is sitting on $40 billion in cash?

To get some restaurants to lease space from that same company?

[midnightpulp]

The question is why give $3 billion worth of incentives to a company that is sitting on $40 billion in cash?

To get some restaurants to lease space from that same company?

Don't mattah. Jerbs R comin!

As I said, LIC wasn't hurting for more jerbs. 3.4% unemployment rate. Why didn't Amazon go build in fuckin' Detroit if they're so concerned about creating jerbs that would actually have a socioeconomic benefit?

[midnightpulp]

Here's the latest snafu to happen when a city decided to give a multi-billion dollar tech company promising JERBS! a tax break:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-30/wisconsin-is-finally-facing-the-reality-of-foxconn-s-plans

[Pavlov]

Don't mattah. Jerbs R comin!

As I said, LIC wasn't hurting for more jerbs. 3.4% unemployment rate. Why didn't Amazon go build in fuckin' Detroit if they're so concerned about creating jerbs that would actually have a socioeconomic benefit?Right. I'm happy Austin seems to be getting off the incentive bandwagon yet the jerbs keep coming in. I think Williamson County is probably going to bend over for Apple though; Apple is definitely hurting with only $243 billion on hand.

[rmt]

The question is why give $3 billion worth of incentives to a company that is sitting on $40 billion in cash?

To get some restaurants to lease space from that same company?

Let's see - $27? billion or $0?

[Pavlov]

Let's see - $27? billion or $0?That's pretending nothing else will ever happen again in LIC. I don't think you're that stupid. Are you that stupid?

[rmt]

That's pretending nothing else will ever happen again in LIC. I don't think you're that stupid. Are you that stupid?

I guess I am - for thinking that any billions of $ is better than $0.

[koriwhat]

Right. I'm happy Austin seems to be getting off the incentive bandwagon yet the jerbs keep coming in. I think Williamson County is probably going to bend over for Apple though; Apple is definitely hurting with only $243 billion on hand.

is that where the AppleU is going to be built?

[Pavlov]

I guess I am - for thinking that any billions of $ is better than $0.So you do think there will never be any more economic development in Queens, NY for the rest of eternity.

That's incredibly stupid.

[Pavlov]

is that where the AppleU is going to be built?Think it's just an expansion of its operations center. Don't have the specifics ATM.

[midnightpulp]

I guess I am - for thinking that any billions of $ is better than $0.

You still evaded his point. It's not like businesses are going to suddenly stop coming to a region that is upper-middle class with a 3.4% unemployment rate. Your "27 billion" is also a projection from Amazon. Foxconn projected a bunch of tax revenue, too. How is that working out?

[rmt]

So you do think there will never be any more economic development in Queens, NY for the rest of eternity.

That's incredibly stupid.

It's a big loss, Pav - there's no spinning it. Better than hoping for some other company (and which company is bigger than Amazon and it's only going to get bigger - my uncle says his (Medicare) prescriptions are now being delivered from Amazon in single packaged units (more convenient/easier for travel) rather than bottles) that might or might not come for eternity. You know, a bird in the hand ...

[midnightpulp]

I'll say again. The only reason republicans have a hard on for this decision is cause Boogeygirl was involved :lol.

[Pavlov]

It's a big loss, Pav - there's no spinning it. Better than hoping for some other company (and which company is bigger than Amazon and it's only going to get bigger - my uncle says his (Medicare) prescriptions are now being delivered from Amazon in single packaged units (more convenient/easier for travel) rather than bottles) that might or might not come for eternity. You know, a bird in the hand ...Austin didn't give a shit about an Amazon bid and Apple just announced a campus that could expand to 15,000 employees with zero incentives from the city.

LIC looks as attractive as ever to companies who might actually be able to negotiate and not simply demand fealty because they're large, prescription anecdotes nonwithstanding.

[rmt]

I'll say again. The only reason republicans have a hard on for this decision is cause Boogeygirl was involved :lol.

I don't know whether to be scared of this girl and her ideas and that so many of you seem to agree with them or to be happy that these RIDICULOUS ideas are being brought to light (instead of hidden agenda) so that the American public can see the direction the Dems are going. Probably the former because those crazy ideas have wrought the REAL loss of jobs to that area.

[rmt]

Austin didn't give a shit about an Amazon bid and Apple just announced a campus that could expand to 15,000 employees with zero incentives from the city.

LIC looks as attractive as ever to companies who might actually be able to negotiate and not simply demand fealty because they're large, prescription anecdotes nonwithstanding.

What is LIC - you have to explain to stupid ole me.

[Nathan89]

There is principle to being against it even if it's not the greatest outcome for the people in your area. Saying it's to save 3 billion isn't it. If you are a Dem then displacement should also not be a factor.

[Pavlov]

What is LIC - you have to explain to stupid ole me.Long Island City, the site of the proposed HQ2.

[midnightpulp]

There is principle to being against it even if it's not the greatest outcome for the people in your area. Saying it's to save 3 billion isn't it. If you are a Dem then displacement should also not be a factor.

You keep focusing on what AOC is saying and ignore there were other players involved in stopping this deal, namely the district's councilman who is the defacto "voice" of that district. If he fucked up, then he'll get voted out.

[BD24]

both are worthless just like most held by those coming out of a 4 yr college. either way, no god damn degree is going to help me in the field i work in so what exactly are you trying to get at you weak fucking troll?
So you admitted you paid money for a worthless degree? Thanks

bachelors definitely aren’t worthless. A lot of places require bachelors degrees, it really doesn’t matter the field. They just generally require a bachelors. Obviously some degrees are better than other such as CS, EE, ME etc

[CosmicCowboy]

I'll say again. The only reason republicans have a hard on for this decision is cause Boogeygirl was involved :lol.

Boogeygirl is just the public face of her radical chief of staff. He took applications and recruited her to run. She will eventually say enough stupid shit for people to quit taking her seriously.

[midnightpulp]

I don't know whether to be scared of this girl and her ideas and that so many of you seem to agree with them or to be happy that these RIDICULOUS ideas are being brought to light (instead of hidden agenda) so that the American public can see the direction the Dems are going. Probably the former because those crazy ideas have wrought the REAL loss of jobs to that area.

What's scary about her ideas? 70% marginal tax rate over 10 million? Hmm. In the idyllic 1950s, we had a similar tax rate on income over 250K. Universal health care? This scary idea seems to work in every other developed country in the world, and was proposed by Eisenhower in those glorious days of the 1950s. Abolishing ICE? ICE didn't exist when American immigration was at its peak in the early 1900s.

[midnightpulp]

Boogeygirl is just the public face of her radical chief of staff. He took applications and recruited her to run. She will eventually say enough stupid shit for people to quit taking her seriously.

I don't see how she is radical when her ideas are either implemented in other countries successfully or have been implemented here successfully. I agree her GND timeline is unrealistic and aggressive, but I wouldn't consider being overly concerned about climate change (supported by a scientific consensus) to be "radical." George W. being overly concerned about Saddam having WMDs and being an existential threat to the US was more radical than anything AOC believes.

[rmt]

Speaking of Amazon, I am saddened by the news of Payless stores being closed. It was a source of cheap, convenient shoes for GROWING children for years.

[midnightpulp]

Speaking of Amazon, I am saddened by the news of Payless stores being closed. It was a source of cheap, convenient shoes for GROWING children for years.

This is why monopolies are bad. Amazon is consuming everything, translating into the "so-called" retail apocalypse that's seeing countless brick and mortar stores, from small businesses to large, having to shutter. Vacant and blighted buildings abound. But we don't care, as long as we can sit on our collective asses and order some cheap Chinese bauble that will be shipped for free!

[Nathan89]

What's scary about her ideas? 70% marginal tax rate over 10 million? Hmm. In the idyllic 1950s, we had a similar tax rate on income over 250K. Universal health care? This scary idea seems to work in every other developed country in the world, and was proposed by Eisenhower in those glorious days of the 1950s. Abolishing ICE? ICE didn't exist when American immigration was at its peak in the early 1900s.

"The data shows that, between 1950 and 1959, the top 1 percent of taxpayers paid an average of 42.0 percent of their income in federal, state, and local taxes. Since then, the average effective tax rate of the top 1 percent has declined slightly overall. In 2014, the top 1 percent of taxpayers paid an average tax rate of 36.4 percent."

https://taxfoundation.org/taxes-rich-1950-not-high/

How does your tax change affect that because there only a slight difference currently. Also we live in a more global economy now. Therefore a high tax rate would logically hurt us more than the 50s. But hanging to them misleading and irrelevant 50s.

Universal healthcare doesn't work with illegals, birthright, and for damn sure without the borders that Dem want to get rid of.

Plus Europe is not working. They are declining even with the US paying for their military.

"Last week offered fresh evidence that the most consequential historical shift of the last 100 years continues: the decline of Europe as a force in world affairs. As Deutsche Bank warned of a German recession, the European Commission cut the 2019 eurozone growth forecast from an already anemic 1.9% to 1.3%. Economic output in the eurozone was lower in 2017 than it was in 2009; over that same period, gross domestic product grew 139% in China, 96% in India, and 34% in the U.S., according to the World Bank."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/incredible-shrinking-europe-11549928481?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/UYoF29R8OR

[CosmicCowboy]

This is why monopolies are bad. Amazon is consuming everything, translating into the "so-called" retail apocalypse that's seeing countless brick and mortar stores, from small businesses to large, having to shutter. Vacant and blighted buildings abound. But we don't care, as long as we can sit on our collective asses and order some cheap Chinese bauble that will be shipped for free!

Online shopping is extremely "green". You don't like that?

[Socialist Boogeyman]

I don't know whether to be scared of this girl and her ideas and that so many of you seem to agree with them or to be happy that these RIDICULOUS ideas are being brought to light (instead of hidden agenda) so that the American public can see the direction the Dems are going. Probably the former because those crazy ideas have wrought the REAL loss of jobs to that area.
OOGABOOGABOO!!!!!

[Will Hunting]

I like how all of rmt’s views are determined by anecdotal evidence involving things like stories she hears at the Jamaican immigrant joy luck club.

[Will Hunting]

OOGABOOGABOO!!!!!
:lmao:lmao

[Pavlov]

Does anyone find it just a little odd that Amazon isn't even looking for a replacement for the LIC HQ after giving it up so quickly?

It's almost as if they were only going to build one new HQ in the first place....

[midnightpulp]

"The data shows that, between 1950 and 1959, the top 1 percent of taxpayers paid an average of 42.0 percent of their income in federal, state, and local taxes. Since then, the average effective tax rate of the top 1 percent has declined slightly overall. In 2014, the top 1 percent of taxpayers paid an average tax rate of 36.4 percent."

https://taxfoundation.org/taxes-rich-1950-not-high/

How does your tax change affect that because there only a slight difference currently. Also we live in a more global economy now. Therefore a high tax rate would logically hurt us more than the 50s. But hanging to them misleading and irrelevant 50s.

Universal healthcare doesn't work with illegals, birthright, and for damn sure without the borders that Dem want to get rid of.

Plus Europe is not working. They are declining even with the US paying for their military.

"Last week offered fresh evidence that the most consequential historical shift of the last 100 years continues: the decline of Europe as a force in world affairs. As Deutsche Bank warned of a German recession, the European Commission cut the 2019 eurozone growth forecast from an already anemic 1.9% to 1.3%. Economic output in the eurozone was lower in 2017 than it was in 2009; over that same period, gross domestic product grew 139% in China, 96% in India, and 34% in the U.S., according to the World Bank."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/incredible-shrinking-europe-11549928481?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/UYoF29R8OR

The tax loopholes the then rich used to get out of paying that tax rate doesn't discount the validity or morality of the idea. Also, from that article, fewer than 10000 households made enough money to fit in that bracket, so obviously being the "1 percent" didn't necessarily mean you were filthy rich. In today's economic climate, we have people worth over 50 billion dollars. Also, the whole scare tactic of "well, the rich will just move!" doesn't fly because if the rich just moved, they would lose proximity to the largest consumer market in the world. Walmart just can't pack up their thousands of stores and move them to China or Europe, which are less flourishing consumer markets. Nor would they want to. Same with Amazon.

Don't know what the EU failing as an experiment has to do with the efficacy of their healthcare model?

[CosmicCowboy]

Does anyone find it just a little odd that Amazon isn't even looking for a replacement for the LIC HQ after giving it up so quickly?

It's almost as if they were only going to build one new HQ in the first place....

It's my understanding they will fill the gap with Nashville.

[Will Hunting]

The tax loopholes the then rich used to get out of paying that tax rate doesn't discount the validity or morality of the idea. Also, from that article, fewer than 10000 households made enough money to fit in that bracket, so obviously being the "1 percent" didn't necessarily mean you were filthy rich. In today's economic climate, we have people worth over 50 billion dollars. Also, the whole scare tactic of "well, the rich will just move!" doesn't fly because if the rich just moved, they would lose proximity to the largest consumer market in the world. Walmart just can't pack up their thousands of stores and move them to China or Europe, which are less flourishing consumer markets. Nor would they want to. Same with Amazon.

Don't know what the EU failing as an experiment has to do with the efficacy of their healthcare model?
Exactly, the biggest tax “loophole” used in the 50s was making less money since money earned in the top bracket was going to be the government’s money. There wasn’t a class of oligarchs at the time with more wealth than the bottom 70% of the country. The result was a much stronger middle class that created the consumer demand needed for a good economy that wasn’t fueled by bubbles the way the post-Reagan American economy is fueled.

[ducks]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is destroying opportunity for fellow Democrats


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/02/16/aoc-is-destroying-opportunity-for-fellow-democrats/amp/

[Pavlov]

It's my understanding they will fill the gap with Nashville.5000 instead of 25000 employees? Or are they talking about another new deal?

[midnightpulp]

Online shopping is extremely "green". You don't like that?

I don't see how that's possible. To buy a widget from a brick-and-mortar, the transportation chain involved might look like: shipped to distribution hub, shipped to store, I drive (less distance than the typical Amazon warehouse is to me and in a more fuel efficient vehicle) to buy. Online retail model: Shipped to distribution hub, shipped to fulfillment center, delivered to me. Then you add in the additional packaging online retail requires.


However, with e-commerce, every retailer is expected to deliver directly to its customers. The order size is one product instead of thousands, with smaller packages and faster delivery. On top of this, the internet provides 24x7 availability, which compounds this supply chain even further.

As a result, vehicle footprint increases, leading to increased carbon emissions, air pollution and generally detrimental to health. The increased emissions also affect climate change.

https://www.varsity.co.uk/science/9086

[baseline bum]

I like how all of rmt’s views are determined by anecdotal evidence involving things like stories she hears at the Jamaican immigrant joy luck club.

WC did the same shit.

[Nathan89]

The tax loopholes the then rich used to get out of paying that tax rate doesn't discount the validity or morality of the idea. Also, from that article, fewer than 10000 households made enough money to fit in that bracket, so obviously being the "1 percent" didn't necessarily mean you were filthy rich. In today's economic climate, we have people worth over 50 billion dollars. Also, the whole scare tactic of "well, the rich will just move!" doesn't fly because if the rich just moved, they would lose proximity to the largest consumer market in the world. Walmart just can't pack up their thousands of stores and move them to China or Europe, which are less flourishing consumer markets. Nor would they want to. Same with Amazon.

Don't know what the EU failing as an experiment has to do with the efficacy of their healthcare model?

So now you recognize the 50s is irrelevant. You use the 50s as the standard of this tax rate working but highlight the limited amount of people that this actually affected.

The tax loopholes are relevant when you point tio the 50s as evidence high tax rate is successful.

We have have people that earn 50 billion. Most of the mega rich end up donating their wealth. Plus focusing on the mega rich ignores the fact that the upper middle class is growing and the poorest class is shrinking.

No Walmart can't move their stores. The rich can move. High taxes can also discourage successful people from bringing their talents to the US. The largest consumer market in the world wasn't built with punishing taxes. Innovation isn't the fruit of the tree of taxes that punish success.

EU welfare states failing despite living off the US has some relevance to a comment clamouring about high taxes and free healthcare.

[koriwhat]

Think it's just an expansion of its operations center. Don't have the specifics ATM.

yeah i heard about this like half a yr ago but haven't heard anything since. :tu


So you admitted you paid money for a worthless degree? Thanks

bachelors definitely aren’t worthless. A lot of places require bachelors degrees, it really doesn’t matter the field. They just generally require a bachelors. Obviously some degrees are better than other such as CS, EE, ME etc

financial aid is a hell of a thing ya know? actually i paid half and i got the degree for my mother, not myself. i feel like it was a waste of time tbh but whatever; i love my mother so yeah.

either way, show me where a degree would help me in the field i am in. i'll wait...

[boutons_deux]

RW Evangelicals: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a Witch or Controlled by Demons (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/2/16/1835266/-RW-Evangelicals-Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-is-a-Witch-or-Controlled-by-Demons)

RW evangelicals who have been spewing some really insane crap through their media. The attacks have have increased on AOC since she began talking about the Green New Deal , which RW evangelicals believe is demonically inspired, because Socialism.

Intercessors for America president, Dave Kubal, after conducting an interview with Republican Rep. Jody Hice of Georgia during a monthly prayer call, went on a delusional rant about witches in the heart of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's District (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/dave-kubal-prays-against-the-witches-and-diabolical-power-operating-in-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-district/):

“It’s been

widely publicized (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/religious-right-issues-another-urgent-call-to-prayer-to-fight-anti-trump-witchcraft/) that there is a coven of witches that cast spells on President Trump 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

This particular coven is found in the southern portion of New York City.

He added that the southern portion of New York City also happens to be where the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York sits, :lol

which is where the case involving Trump’s former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, was overseen (https://www.ajc.com/news/judge-michael-cohen-case-described-nonsense-judicial-equivalent-teddy-roosevelt/NTEIvl2N3ZlcPu7KAJpG9K/) by Judge Kimba Wood.

Kubal then noted that Wood had officiated the wedding of George Soros in 2013 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-soros-wedding/billionaire-soros-weds-consultant-in-third-marriage-idUSBRE98J0XZ20130922), :lol

and that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was in attendance at the service. So, right in the middle of all of this, the southern district, in the middle of where these witches are doing the 24/7 spell-casting,

we find the territory of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,” Kubal added. “Her district is in the center of all of this going on."

the political agenda promoted by elected officials like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Bernie Sanders is “of the devil.

“It is God’s fight, folks.

This is not our fight, this is his fight.

He wants America free.

He doesn’t want it under the bonds of socialism and communism. :lol

He wants men to be free to worship God. That’s Satan’s theology,” he continued.

“Bernie’s theology is of the devil.

Ocasio-Cortez’s theology is of Satan …

This is a spiritual war, folks.”

he declared that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has “demonic connections” and is doing the bidding of “the demonic realm.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/2/16/1835266/-RW-Evangelicals-Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-is-a-Witch-or-Controlled-by-Demons?utm_campaign=trending

[CosmicCowboy]

Dudes almost as crazy as Boutons.

[midnightpulp]

So now you recognize the 50s is irrelevant. You use the 50s as the standard of this tax rate working but highlight the limited amount of people that this actually affected.

The tax loopholes are relevant when you point tio the 50s as evidence high tax rate is successful.

We have have people that earn 50 billion. Most of the mega rich end up donating their wealth. Plus focusing on the mega rich ignores the fact that the upper middle class is growing and the poorest class is shrinking.

No Walmart can't move their stores. The rich can move. High taxes can also discourage successful people from bringing their talents to the US. The largest consumer market in the world wasn't built with punishing taxes. Innovation isn't the fruit of the tree of taxes that punish success.

EU welfare states failing despite living off the US has some relevance to a comment clamouring about high taxes and free healthcare.

No, the highest earners still paid significantly more than 37% in the taxes in the 50s, just that weren't as many high earners (>200K) back then. The gap between the 1% and the 99% was a lot closer. And even still, according to your link, the 1% still paid 42% in taxes vs. 36% today. This isn't merely a 6% difference. It's about a 19% difference. And the top .1 percent paid 50% in taxes, which is a 26% difference. The top .01 55%, which is a 36% difference. This is by no means "small." So, the 1950s tax structure isn't irrelevant.

:lol Who are all these multibillionaire oligarchs that have donated their wealth to charity? The only people who've put their money where there mouth is are Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. Paul Allen was the most recent billionaire to pass, and (googling), I don't see any plans for his estate to wind up in the hands of a charity. But let's look and see how much these generous, brilliant, self-made men donate to charity:


Jeff Bezos: 0.1 percent.
Charles Koch: 1.5 percent
Larry Ellison: 2.4 percent
Mark Zuckerberg: 2.9 percent
David Koch: 3.0 percent
Larry Page: 4.0 percent
Sergey Brin: 5.9 percent
Michael Bloomberg: 10.2 percent
Bill Gates: 22.2 percent
Warren Buffer: 71.1 percent

https://www.forbes.com/pictures/59d5055e4bbe6f37dd9ff693/1-warren-buffett/#7d364f495dae

The national average is about 3%. The bottom 7 conform to that average, with the top 3 being the only outliers. A study also found that lower income people give more of a percentage to charity than higher income: https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2014/1006/US-poor-and-middle-class-give-more-to-charity-but-wealthy-pull-back

The rich can't move their on paper profits from their stateside businesses. I wrote about this concern in a previous thread:


Anyhow, I think the American masses hold more cards here vis a vis the proposed tax increases on the rich since we, collectively, are by far the biggest consumer market in the world. I don't think the threat of, "Well, if you excessively tax Bezos et al, they'll just close up shop and move to Hong Kong" has a realistic chance of happening because no way would they want to lose access to this market. We're talking a consumer market almost the size of China and the EU combined. Americans aren't going to wait 2 weeks for a delivery from Amazon fulfillment centers in Hong Kong. "Well, maybe Bezos cuts a deal with Mexico or Canada?" Still a comparatively long shipping time. Some competitor will just take the 70% or whatever marginal tax hit and replicate Amazon's business model domestically, undercutting Bezos. This basically means while Amazon corporate HQ might be located off-shore to avoid paying taxes, Amazon would have no choice but to have a US headquarters (which would be the biggest Amazon arm) that would have to pay taxes regardless.

Same logic applies to Walmart, McDonalds, Apple, Microsoft, etc. You can say, "Well, every time a corporation sees a drop in revenue, which a 70% tax rate would definitely cause, they counter by cutting labor costs through layoffs and outsourcing." There will come a point where that tactic backfires since if you strangle the average American's purchasing power to that extent, it translates into reduced consumerism, meaning reduced profits. You can look at the data and see that the rising tide that truly lifts all boats is when the average American has more disposable income.

We can look at the different income tax rates between states as evidence. California has the highest in the country, Texas has none, yet I don't see Silicon Valley packing up and moving to Texas. You'll probably bring up the meme of all the Californians moving to Texas frustrated with our "commie state," but boiled down, California's GDP growth was 3.0 percent in 2016-2017 to Texas' 2.6, and from 2013-2016 (this was the supposed peak of California to Texas migration) California ranked number 1 in GDP growth.

"Middle-class moving into upper class." Referring to that graph in your sig? We can arbitrarily define what is middle, lower, poor class all we want, but the cold hard fact is that the national median income average is about 60K. If median income growth kept pace with inflation over the last 40 years, the median average should be about 90K. Culprit? Tax Cuts. In 1979 the inflation adjusted median family income was 48,000. At the end of St. Ronne's tenure, it was about 51,000. See this inflation adjusted graph and how the Reagan tax cuts killed the trajectory:

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/173103/1717455/1215732354537/122407_0123_TheRecessio1.png?token=aQuk4SSP%2F5gQI w1ImpS7NqvlaRY%3D

Inflation adjusted median income graph from 2000-2018 (that dip following 2000? Bush tax cuts):

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ISrsHUvhZMs/WpgCDebtdSI/AAAAAAAAQTQ/L5lEhJa3PW8yKqmcS4_ykHQK0WWms5AogCLcBGAs/s1600/median-household-income-in-21st-century-nominal-and-real-estimates-200001-thru-201801.png

No real wage growth. Trust me, I used to lean way more libertarian, but the facts tell me that isn't a valid economic philosophy to have right now. It doesn't "trickle down."

[Nathan89]

So one of your graphs show income adjusted for inflation is pretty constant for the last 18 years. National emergency.

Your other premise is that everything is broken because income didn't continue to rise at the same rate as it did following ww2. You that was going to continue forever? Nothing in America has changed but Reagan tax cuts.

"For Every 10% Increase in Women Working, We See a 5% Increase in Wages"

"In the U.S., women’s participation in the labor market has nearly doubled, from 34% of working age women (age 16 and older) in the labor force in 1950 to almost 57% in 2016. When it passed 50% in 1978, working women became the norm."

https://hbr.org/2018/01/when-more-women-join-the-workforce-wages-rise-including-for-men

This study for instance points towards more women working increasing wages. Notice the significant increase from 1950 to 1978 but only a slight increase since? Just in time for you rap it all up and point towards tax cuts? Huh, I wonder if there are other factors you are overlooking.

[Nathan89]

"By 1911, Carnegie had given away a huge amount of money -- 90 percent of his fortune."

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/aa/carnegie/aa_carnegie_phil_3.htmlndrew

Carnegie and Rockefeller donated significant sums of wealth. Just 87 years after Rockefeller died his 100s of billions has been reduced to 10 billion across his large family. 3 billion being tied up by 1 individual who was CEO of a bank.

Gates plan on donating virtually all of his money.

Most of Bezos wealth is tied up in Amazon. It seems he plans on using his wealth to invest in space. So ultimately another big plus for society.

[Winehole23]

You're not wrong to single out the Rockefellers as socially responsible and public minded stewards of wealth, but did you notice the recent (last 30-40 year) trend of reconsolidation? The Seven Sisters have been merging back together.

100 years on, the energy trust is substantially back together. John D. foresaw this.

Remind me to reread TITAN.

[Winehole23]

John D.'s railway and tanker car monopolies were key to his advantage over compeitors.

[Winehole23]

His original fortune was made selling groceries in the Civil War. He offered his partner a share in his oil business, but his partner couldn't see any future in it and declined the ground floor invitation.

[Winehole23]

John D Rockefeller was an addicted golfer who couldn't stand to lose a new ball in the water even though he was by then the richest man in the world. Would take out an old ball when he had a water hazard in front of him.

[Winehole23]

"By 1911, Carnegie had given away a huge amount of money -- 90 percent of his fortune."

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/aa/carnegie/aa_carnegie_phil_3.htmlndrew

Carnegie and Rockefeller donated significant sums of wealth. Just 87 years after Rockefeller died his 100s of billions has been reduced to 10 billion across his large family. 3 billion being tied up by 1 individual who was CEO of a bank.

Gates plan on donating virtually all of his money.

Most of Bezos wealth is tied up in Amazon. It seems he plans on using his wealth to invest in space. So ultimately another big plus for society.eh, we're see about Bezos.

Comparatively he's a skinflint.

[rmt]

I like how all of rmt’s views are determined by anecdotal evidence involving things like stories she hears at the Jamaican immigrant joy luck club.

You mean, from real life? Instead of the internet bubble of some. Pardon me if I believe things (like the expansion of Amazon into Medicare prescriptions) I hear from real live people instead of "news" (fake or not) posted on the internet. I'm off to a friend's mom's 90th birthday today - so more of that Jamaican gossip that bores you so. Cheesecake or chocolate dessert? Hmmm.

[rmt]

eh, we're see about Bezos.

Comparatively he's a skinflint.

IMO, Bezos is not like say Google - it's all about domination for him, spreading those ever wide tentacles. Google wasted their big advantage earlier doing more "pie in the sky" stuff - like worldwide internet access for the good of humanity. Amazon just kept chugging along, operating at a loss and infiltrating every possible area it could. I remember back in the day when Amazon was only a book seller - I would buy old textbooks (I actually still have complete sets [student and teacher editions and solution manuals] of all of Dolciani's math texts from Algebra 1 thru Pre-Calc) and re-sell other books when finished with them. Shucks - more anecdotes - there is always putting me on ignore :-)

[midnightpulp]

So one of your graphs show income adjusted for inflation is pretty constant for the last 18 years. National emergency.

Your other premise is that everything is broken because income didn't continue to rise at the same rate as it did following ww2. You that was going to continue forever? Nothing in America has changed but Reagan tax cuts.

"For Every 10% Increase in Women Working, We See a 5% Increase in Wages"

"In the U.S., women’s participation in the labor market has nearly doubled, from 34% of working age women (age 16 and older) in the labor force in 1950 to almost 57% in 2016. When it passed 50% in 1978, working women became the norm."

https://hbr.org/2018/01/when-more-women-join-the-workforce-wages-rise-including-for-men

This study for instance points towards more women working increasing wages. Notice the significant increase from 1950 to 1978 but only a slight increase since? Just in time for you rap it all up and point towards tax cuts? Huh, I wonder if there are other factors you are overlooking.

Okay, then we'll look at GDP per capita with considers per person wealth growth:

https://aneconomicsense.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/distributional-shifts-1917-2010.png

Red line is the overall GDP per capita growth in the United States. Look how up until 1980 all the income groups grew together at an almost identical rate. Then post-1980, the growth for the wealthiest much outpaced the bottom 90%. That was the beginning of the Reagan tax cuts, obviously, but some other key events and business philosophies took hold over this time, namely the SEC under the Reagan administration making stock buybacks legal and the shareholder primacy concept.

When a big corporation receives a generous tax cut, they don't allow it to "trickle down," they use it to buyback stock, which gives a boost to share price. Quick reads on this practice: http://money.com/money/5267940/companies-spending-trump-tax-cuts-stock-buybacks/, https://www.forbes.com/sites/aalsin/2017/02/28/shareholders-should-be-required-to-vote-on-stock-buybacks/#33c060556b1e


For most of the 20th century, stock buybacks were deemed illegal because they were thought to be a form of stock market manipulation. But since 1982, when they were essentially legalized by the SEC, buybacks have become perhaps the most popular financial engineering tool in the C-Suite tool shed.


Big corporations operate on the philosophy of shareholder primacy. Their main concern isn't jobs, ethical business practices, social betterment, but making as much money for their shareholders as they can, which they are bound by law to do. Labor costs tend to be pesky to the bottom line, which is why corporations try to short-change labor anyway they can. https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergeorgescu/2018/01/03/shareholder-primacy-threatens-our-constitution/#36a81e573304

I would maybe warm up to economic libertarianism again if stock buybacks were made illegal and corporations started acting more ethical (the latter is a pipedream, though). Warren, Sanders, Cortez's message resonates for a reason, and it's not out of "envy of the rich," like the right wing talking heads claim. When you have a single person growing their net worth by 100 billion over a decade, while the blue collar and even white collar workers in that guy's company are only seeing wage growth barely keeping pace with inflation or negative wage growth, it pisses people off.

[rmt]

:lmao so you’re talking about this shit and had no fucking clue where the HQ was actually located? Fucking retard :lmao

Does one really need to know? For me, Amazon/25k jobs vs Dems and their politicians in NYC area (you may substitute any [VERY] Democratic stronghold for NYC area). Never thought I'd see the day when I actually feel sorry for Cuomo (especially after that disgusting abortion bill) but maybe what goes around, comes around.

You don't have to listen to my stupidity - put me on ignore.

[midnightpulp]

Does one really need to know? For me, Amazon/25k jobs vs Dems and their politicians in NYC area (you may substitute any [VERY] Democratic stronghold for NYC area). Never thought I'd see the day when I actually feel sorry for Cuomo (especially after that disgusting abortion bill) but maybe what goes around, comes around.

You don't have to listen to my stupidity - put me on ignore.

Yes. You should be familiar with the particulars of the situation instead of just having the simplistic opinion of "big business bring jerbs=gud." I've explained to you and others that I've seen similar situations as these play out in California, a densely populated state with a variety of living options, where the company's new existence didn't play out like it theoretically should have.

[rmt]

I don't see how that's possible. To buy a widget from a brick-and-mortar, the transportation chain involved might look like: shipped to distribution hub, shipped to store, I drive (less distance than the typical Amazon warehouse is to me and in a more fuel efficient vehicle) to buy. Online retail model: Shipped to distribution hub, shipped to fulfillment center, delivered to me. Then you add in the additional packaging online retail requires.



https://www.varsity.co.uk/science/9086

You (and everyone else who needs something) drives to a physical store (which may or may not stock that particular item) clogging the roads, malls (expensive real estate instead of giant warehouses) plus their employees (instead of assembly line machines) vs tall, white Amazon delivery trucks/UPS dropping off packages in one area. Seems (to me) much more efficient (and greener) the Amazon route - especially the comparison/stocking part.

[midnightpulp]

You (and everyone else who needs something) drives to a physical store (which may or may not stock that particular item) clogging the roads, malls (expensive real estate instead of giant warehouses) plus their employees (instead of assembly line machines) vs tall, white Amazon delivery trucks/UPS dropping off packages in one area. Seems (to me) much more efficient (and greener) the Amazon route - especially the comparison/stocking part.


Another study contends that shopping online has a greater impact on the environment, when considering the following factors:

Many people do not drive alone, but go shopping with others, hence total purchases average more than four items per trip, thereby reducing miles driven per item.

Shoppers often engage in other activities while at the mall, so miles traveled can’t be assigned only to shopping.

A lot more goods purchased online get returned, which requires repackaging and shipping (33 percent compared with just 7 percent from stores).

Online products often require a whole lot more packaging. You can also simply bike or walk to the store, or drive a very efficient car, any of which beats online shopping in terms of environmental impact.

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/ask-mr-green/whats-better-for-environment-shopping-store-or-online

Also, if your theory was correct, we'd see a large decline in transportation related emissions. No such declined occurred.

[midnightpulp]

1096424596063113220


As I was saying, but conservatives are telling it like she walked into Jeff Bezos office all alone and told him to fuck off. "The local community organized to reject it." Good on them :tu

[Will Hunting]

1096424596063113220


As I was saying, but conservatives are telling it like she walked into Jeff Bezos office all alone and told him to fuck off. "The local community organized to reject it." Good on them :tu
:lol the idea that AOC alone was able to influence Bezos is just the latest example of Republicans making her more relevant than she’d ever be without their incessant crying about how evil she is.

[midnightpulp]

:lol the idea that AOC alone was able to influence Bezos is just the latest example of Republicans making her more relevant than she’d ever be without their incessant crying about how evil she is.

Boogeygirl

[boutons_deux]

The rightwinghate-LIE-media always identifies an enemy to ridicule, slander, hate, sometimes shoot at, because it knows its listeners, viewers live way below the cortex, fact-denying, fact-free, pure primitive, negative emotions of hate, anger, paranoia.

[Trill Clinton]

I like how all of rmt’s views are determined by anecdotal evidence involving things like stories she hears at the Jamaican immigrant joy luck club.

https://media.giphy.com/media/p0RDMJGgMXF96/giphy.gif

[rmt]

On Thursday, Amazon spokesperson Jodi Seth noted the opposition of Ocasio-Cortez and another opponent, New York City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, to the company's plan to come to New York.

While speaking with NBC News, Seth said that the deal was canceled because of the "environment" and criticism from elected officials.

"If you talk to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, it's, 'Never Amazon,'" Seth said. "If you talk to Van Bramer, it's unions."


https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-hq2-cancellation-blame-amazon-nyc-msnbc-1333118

[boutons_deux]

Just because RWNJs hate and fear AOC (as dictated by RWHM), blame her primarily, even her ALONE, for blocking Bezos, doesn't mean there is the slightest truth to the blame-placing, since Serious People know RWHM is ALWAYS lying to inflame its hate-driven followers.

[Pavlov]

On Thursday, Amazon spokesperson Jodi Seth noted the opposition of Ocasio-Cortez and another opponent, New York City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, to the company's plan to come to New York.

While speaking with NBC News, Seth said that the deal was canceled because of the "environment" and criticism from elected officials.

"If you talk to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, it's, 'Never Amazon,'" Seth said. "If you talk to Van Bramer, it's unions."


https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-hq2-cancellation-blame-amazon-nyc-msnbc-1333118
:lol a company sitting on $40 billion afraid to negotiate

[midnightpulp]

On Thursday, Amazon spokesperson Jodi Seth noted the opposition of Ocasio-Cortez and another opponent, New York City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, to the company's plan to come to New York.

While speaking with NBC News, Seth said that the deal was canceled because of the "environment" and criticism from elected officials.

"If you talk to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, it's, 'Never Amazon,'" Seth said. "If you talk to Van Bramer, it's unions."


https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-hq2-cancellation-blame-amazon-nyc-msnbc-1333118

"The local community organized to reject it."

[boutons_deux]

:lol a company sitting on $40 billion afraid to negotiate

Bezos doesn't negotiate, he bullies, he extorts.

Same asbillionaire NFL owners wanting taxpayers to buy them new stadiums

[rmt]

"The local community organized to reject it."

I think I'd rather believe an Amazon spokesperson about why Amazon pulled out than OCA's tweet.

[FrostKing]

Bezos doesn't negotiate, he bullies, he extorts.

Same asbillionaire NFL owners wanting taxpayers to buy them new stadiums
Bezo and his slave owner mentality, am I right?

[Pavlov]

I don't think I'd believe a company with $40 billion in cash and no contingency plan was really serious about following through on two new headquarters.

[rmt]

:lol a company sitting on $40 billion afraid to negotiate

Is my understanding of the timeline of the deal incorrect? Did 200+ cities not put forth their offers and did Amazon not choose NYC's offer? How much more negotiation is there at that point? Certainly not the $3 billion. If the NY side can't get their offered deal through whatever local authorities, is that Amazon's fault? Shouldn't the NY side have their ducks (state/county/city) lined up before making an offer?

[rmt]

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/ask-mr-green/whats-better-for-environment-shopping-store-or-online

Also, if your theory was correct, we'd see a large decline in transportation related emissions. No such declined occurred.

link?

[boutons_deux]

I think I'd rather believe an Amazon spokesperson about why Amazon pulled out than OCA's tweet.

Amazon’s Statement On Dropping NYC HQ Plans

a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/02/14/amazons-statement-on-dropping-nyc-hq-plans/

[Pavlov]

Is my understanding of the timeline of the deal incorrect? Did 200+ cities not put forth their offers and did Amazon not choose NYC's offer? How much more negotiation is there at that point? Certainly not the $3 billion. If the NY side can't get their offered deal through whatever local authorities, is that Amazon's fault? Shouldn't the NY side have their ducks (state/county/city) lined up before making an offer?So Amazon publicly agreed to a deal when they knew it wasn't guaranteed? That's pretty dumb.

Again, a lot of evidence points to their not actually wanting two new HQs at any point.

[Trill Clinton]

Damn AOC has a lot of power according to republicans. How was she able to become so powerful so quickly?

[CosmicCowboy]

Damn AOC has a lot of power according to republicans. How was she able to become so powerful so quickly?

Same way Trump did. Idiots with twitter.

[rmt]

Amazon’s Statement On Dropping NYC HQ Plans

a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/02/14/amazons-statement-on-dropping-nyc-hq-plans/

Yes, bou, and? WE are in agreement - state and local politicians and Amazon spokesperson NAMED OAC. I was responding to MP's post of OCA's tweet, "The local community organized to reject it."

[rmt]

So Amazon publicly agreed to a deal when they knew it wasn't guaranteed? That's pretty dumb.

Again, a lot of evidence points to their not actually wanting two new HQs at any point.

I'd think that if the governor of the state and the mayor of the city offered me a deal, I shouldn't have to go check with the local officials. Isn't that the responsibility of the governor/mayor who made the offer?

[Pavlov]

I'd think that if the governor of the state and the mayor of the city offered me a deal, I shouldn't have to go check with the local officials. Isn't that the responsibility of the governor/mayor who made the offer?If I were looking for bids for one of the largest companies in the world, I wouldn't take anyone at his/her word. That's the responsibility of the party looking for the welfare.

[Trill Clinton]

Same way Trump did. Idiots with twitter.

It could backfire on them like it did for trump and an AOC presidency could be very much likely when she's eligible.

[Will Hunting]

I'd think that if the governor of the state and the mayor of the city offered me a deal, I shouldn't have to go check with the local officials. Isn't that the responsibility of the governor/mayor who made the offer?
There are binding agreements and non-binding agreements. Whatever offer was made was clearly non-binding. That’s it and that’s all.

[midnightpulp]

:lmao believing Amazon spokespeople. Jesus Christ this lady is naïve. For the umpteeth fucking time rmt, the local community DID NOT WANT THEM THERE. Do you understand the role of a city councilman or not? They are elected as the voice of their wards, so if he was inundated with calls to block the deal, met with locals to learn their opinion about the deal, and found a majority negative response, it's his duty to act in that interest. If he broke with the will of the people, we'll see him voted out in the next local election. In my experience, councilmen usually have a good read on the pulse of their constituents, as many of them can hold office for a decade or more.

[midnightpulp]

There are binding agreements and non-binding agreements. Whatever offer was made was clearly non-binding. That’s it and that’s all.

Since it was a non-binding agreement, that leads me to believe Cuomo didn't consult with the councilman who reps that ward. Probably said, "Come on down! They're gonna love you down there. Ah, don't worry about Van Bramer and Gianaris, they'll play ball."

[midnightpulp]

Furthermore on the Amazon deal, people are acting like it was a done deal, and Boogeygirl jumped out of the shadows last week to protest it, when:

http://oi66.tinypic.com/30lfdw0.jpg

The day after Amazon's announcement, the Senator and Councilman who both rep the district protested it. Then they held over a month's worth of public hearings to explore the details and gauge public opinion. We can conclude from this sequence of events that the public didn't want Amazon there.

[midnightpulp]

I think I'd rather believe an Amazon spokesperson about why Amazon pulled out than OCA's tweet.

Again, :lol believing Amazon spokespeople. See ^^^^ the timeline I just posted. Over a month's worth of public hearings were held to discuss the details. Guess what you can do at a public hearing:


This hearing is open to the public, and we invite you to attend, however we will not be taking public testimony at this first hearing. We will have a separate hearing entirely devoted to hearing from the public at a later date, where your comments will be made part of the official public record.

https://council.nyc.gov/amazon-hearings/

Looks like when they held those open floor hearings to gauge public feedback, it was majority negative.

[rmt]

Since it was a non-binding agreement, that leads me to believe Cuomo didn't consult with the councilman who reps that ward. Probably said, "Come on down! They're gonna love you down there. Ah, don't worry about Van Bramer and Gianaris, they'll play ball."


:lol a company sitting on $40 billion afraid to negotiate

My response was to Pavlov - so isn't it Cuomo's (NY side) that dropped the ball? Not that Amazon didn't want to/afraid to negotiate?

[Will Hunting]

My response was to Pavlov - so isn't it Cuomo's (NY side) that dropped the ball? Not that Amazon didn't want to/afraid to negotiate?
I’d say both. Cuomo/de Blasio were retarded for not knowing the political climate of the area and how the locals would react, but it’s very clear that Amazon had no interest in negotiating and were only going to build HQ2 in a city where the public officials would bend over for whatever Amazon wanted.

[rmt]

Thank you for the timeline. Cuomo and Blasio should have included the state senators/representatives/local councilman/etc. in the original offer. Weren't they taking various polls during this timeline showing that majority favored Amazon coming? Sounds like Cuomo/Blasio were tone deaf to locals or going by polls or ignoring public hearings (which I think are hard to judge - people opposing are always VERY vocal compared to those who are in favor who probably don't attend but poll).

[midnightpulp]

Thank you for the timeline. Cuomo and Blasio should have included the state senators/representatives/local councilman/etc. in the original offer. Weren't they taking various polls during this timeline showing that majority favored Amazon coming? Sounds like Cuomo/Blasio were tone deaf to locals or going by polls or ignoring public hearings (which I think are hard to judge - people opposing are always VERY vocal compared to those who are in favor).

Statewide polls only. 56% in favor, but obviously, people who don't live in the district would be more for it since it's win/win. Yes, vocal people should win out. If supporters couldn't get off their asses and go to city hall to counter the arguments of opponents, then that's their problem.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1097607954994511873

Damn :lol

[Pavlov]

Hannity :lol

[Will Hunting]

Hannity forgot to use a picture of her making a weird face and looking bug eyed.

[Chris]

:lol imagine Chris posting another Hannity article and thinking “THIS is the one that’ll get em shook!” as if anyone gives a fuck what Sean Hannity thinks.

I don't do the troll thing. Would it help if I posted what AOC said from someone else? (sorry if you got triggered tbh)

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1097333257614442496

^ no Hannity :tu

[Pavlov]

lol Qhris proving everyone on the right is obsessed with AOC.

[CosmicCowboy]

It was a fucking stupid thing to say.

Do you want to argue that, Chump?

[Pavlov]

It was a fucking stupid thing to say.

Do you want to argue that, Chump?I want to know why you guys are obsessed with her.

[CosmicCowboy]

Was it stupid or not?

[DMC]

:lol MAGA Make Alexandria Go Away

[DMC]

I want to know why you guys are obsessed with her.

You jealous?

[Chris]

:cry Stop talking about Radical Socialists with prominent seats in our government! :cry

[Pavlov]

You jealous?:lol You've collected quite enough information on me to count as obsessed, to say nothing of all the others here.

[Pavlov]

:cryTalk about here all you want.

Since when was her specific seat in government prominent, Chris?

[CosmicCowboy]

Was it stupid or not?

A simple yes or no will suffice, chump.

[spurraider21]

:lmao ocasiomemes.com

[Pavlov]

A simple yes or no will suffice, chump.Yes.

One of many stupid things she has said.

And?

[CosmicCowboy]

Yes.

One of many stupid things she has said.

And?

So we agree.

[Pavlov]

So we agree.And?

[spurraider21]

And?
well we need to have a discussion and compare opinions every time AOC says something.

[Pavlov]

well we need to have a discussion and compare opinions every time AOC says something.I'm also supposed to make fun of Don Cheadle's hair now but not Trump's.

[midnightpulp]

Cortez isn't a radical socialist :lol. Your average republican is actually more of a radical socialist. She does need to be more tempered on her immigration ideas. No one wants "open borders" in general. Those who lean left that criticize the wall do so because a fuckin' stupid idea and a waste of money, especially when there isn't a "crisis." The majority of drugs and illegal aliens come via port of entries.

[ElNono]

Was it stupid or not?

I actually think it wasn't stupid, and I don't particular agree with AOC on most things.

The Berlin wall was, in fact, immigration control. There were two Germany back then, fully recognized as two different sovereign states. The biggest difference, clearly, is that the Berlin wall was built to keep people in, not out.

Nevertheless, it was a shameful construction that had desperate people willing to risk their lives to overcome it. Frankly, it became a symbol of it's own in the Iron Curtain times.

Now, I'm not in favor of illegal immigration or trafficking, I just find it incredibly dumb that simpletons buy that a medieval deterrent like a wall is more effective than the technological sophistication the US has to counter such a problem.

The reality is that it hasn't been solved because there's no political will to solve it. Good steps have been taken to bring it at the lowest it's been in a long time. We also discussed actual effective means to do that, like EVerify, etc, but those options are seemingly never on the table.

And so, we're pursuing the shameful symbolic wall instead, really for no other reason that it was campaign promise. Cost or efficiency be damned. It's stupid.

[Trill Clinton]

I actually think it wasn't stupid, and I don't particular agree with AOC on most things.

The Berlin wall was, in fact, immigration control. There were two Germany back then, fully recognized as two different sovereign states. The biggest difference, clearly, is that the Berlin wall was built to keep people in, not out.

Nevertheless, it was a shameful construction that had desperate people willing to risk their lives to overcome it. Frankly, it became a symbol of it's own in the Iron Curtain times.

Now, I'm not in favor of illegal immigration or trafficking, I just find it incredibly dumb that simpletons buy that a medieval deterrent like a wall is more effective than the technological sophistication the US has to counter such a problem.

The reality is that it hasn't been solved because there's no political will to solve it. Good steps have been taken to bring it at the lowest it's been in a long time. We also discussed actual effective means to do that, like EVerify, etc, but those options are seemingly never on the table.

And so, we're pursuing the shameful symbolic wall instead, really for no other reason that it was campaign promise. Cost or efficiency be damned. It's stupid.

Well said

[CosmicCowboy]

I actually think it wasn't stupid, and I don't particular agree with AOC on most things.

The Berlin wall was, in fact, immigration control. There were two Germany back then, fully recognized as two different sovereign states. The biggest difference, clearly, is that the Berlin wall was built to keep people in, not out.

Nevertheless, it was a shameful construction that had desperate people willing to risk their lives to overcome it. Frankly, it became a symbol of it's own in the Iron Curtain times.

Now, I'm not in favor of illegal immigration or trafficking, I just find it incredibly dumb that simpletons buy that a medieval deterrent like a wall is more effective than the technological sophistication the US has to counter such a problem.

The reality is that it hasn't been solved because there's no political will to solve it. Good steps have been taken to bring it at the lowest it's been in a long time. We also discussed actual effective means to do that, like EVerify, etc, but those options are seemingly never on the table.

And so, we're pursuing the shameful symbolic wall instead, really for no other reason that it was campaign promise. Cost or efficiency be damned. It's stupid.

Anyone that has ever been to a US/Mexico border town that has any common sense realizes that drones, sensors, and "technology" can't possibly stop people, drugs, guns, etc. from easily flowing back and forth. In Texas, the towns are literally continuous,with houses and buildings running right up to the river on both sides, and by the time the Rio Grande gets to Texas it's not much of a river or a deterrent to crossings. And yeah, I just got back from checking on a big job in Laredo about an hour ago, so I have seen it recently.

I totally agree we don't need barriers in many sections further west because the terrain and lack of population and roads on either side is a significant deterrent, and drones and sensors would work just fine.

[Chris]

:lol


https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1097702456421699584

[Pavlov]

lol random dudes yelling at a camera.

[Chris]

lol random dudes yelling at a camera.

Not talking about your beloved Trevor Noah, please stay on topic.

[Pavlov]

Not talking about your beloved Trevor Noah, please stay on topic.He's not random dudes, Qhris.

Do you even know the difference between singular and plural, Qhris?

There are two random dudes in your tweet.

Trevor Noah is one nonrandom dude.

[Trill Clinton]

Get your political talking points from YouTube comedians fellas

[Chris]

He's not random dudes, Qhris.

Do you even know the difference between singular and plural, Qhris?

There are two random dudes in your tweet.

Trevor Noah is one nonrandom dude.

Random dudes = people not on your television networks? Who decides who is random and nonrandom Pavlov? Are you claiming to have never seen or heard of the Hodge Twins until today? Why are you so disingenuous Pavlov?

[Chris]

Get your political talking points from YouTube comedians fellas

I thought it was pretty funny, and don't use Hodge Twins for political talking points. Since you brought it up though, where do you get your political talking points from Troll Clinton?

[Pavlov]

Random dudes = people not on your television networks? Who decides who is random and nonrandom Pavlov? Are you claiming to have never seen or heard of the Hodge Twins until today? Why are you so disingenuous Pavlov?I think I've seen them in another one of your posts.

Yes, they are random dudes as far as political commentary is concerned.

[Chris]

I think I've seen them in another one of your posts.

Yes, they are random dudes as far as political commentary is concerned.

You think? Why are you so disingenuous Pavlov?

[Pavlov]

You think? Why are you so disingenuous Pavlov?Yeah, I haven't seen them anywhere else.

You have posted their videos before, have you not?

[Will Hunting]

Get your political talking points from YouTube comedians fellas
:lol not even comedians, just two meatheaded retards who look like they could play the mutants in the next Hills Have Eyes movie.

[Chris]

^Nah...they're actually comedians. Stay classy with the body shaming there pal.

[Will Hunting]

^Nah...they're actually comedians. Stay classy with the body shaming there pal.
More like face shaming tbh. They both look like one side of their face was hit with a hot frying pan at birth.

[Trill Clinton]

I thought it was pretty funny, and don't use Hodge Twins for political talking points. Since you brought it up though, where do you get your political talking points from Troll Clinton?

Politicians, journalists, I like to get my info from people with boots on the ground. Not goofy coons like those twins.

[Chris]

Politicians, journalists, I like to get my info from people with boots on the ground. Not goofy coons like those twins.

As long as the politicians and journalists aren't "goofy coons". Got it :tu

[Pavlov]

As long as the politicians and journalists aren't "goofy coons". Got it :tu
nig nogs

[Will Hunting]

:lol goofy coons is a pretty accurate description of those clowns

[ducks]

Ocasio-Cortez's 'Deals' to Cost $338,000 Per Taxpayer, Analysis Shows

[ElNono]

Anyone that has ever been to a US/Mexico border town that has any common sense realizes that drones, sensors, and "technology" can't possibly stop people, drugs, guns, etc. from easily flowing back and forth. In Texas, the towns are literally continuous,with houses and buildings running right up to the river on both sides, and by the time the Rio Grande gets to Texas it's not much of a river or a deterrent to crossings. And yeah, I just got back from checking on a big job in Laredo about an hour ago, so I have seen it recently.

I totally agree we don't need barriers in many sections further west because the terrain and lack of population and roads on either side is a significant deterrent, and drones and sensors would work just fine.

I go there every year. Heck, I cross to Mexico sometimes (was there last December). They probably catch just about the same amount in the checkpoints inland, which if you have ever been there, you know what I'm talking about.

The point being that walls are there, and they haven't stopped shit. Your bang for the buck is definitely on drones, scanners, border cameras, sensors, personnel and things like EVerify, which close the gap at the other end, which is demand. You're still going to need all the tech whether you build a wall or not, because we all know a wall hasn't stopped a willing intruder in a millennia.

[AaronY]

^Nah...they're actually comedians. Stay classy with the body shaming there pal.
lol @ "body shaming"

[RandomGuy]

This can't be real

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/green-new-deal-recycle-urine/

An "early draft", accidentally posted as part of a FAQ, and not in the final resolution.

[CosmicCowboy]

Lol, you really believe that FAQ was an accident? I think it's exactly the goal of AOC's puppet master, and they just shit backwards on it after the backlash.

[RandomGuy]

I actually think it wasn't stupid, and I don't particular agree with AOC on most things.

The Berlin wall was, in fact, immigration control. There were two Germany back then, fully recognized as two different sovereign states. The biggest difference, clearly, is that the Berlin wall was built to keep people in, not out.

Nevertheless, it was a shameful construction that had desperate people willing to risk their lives to overcome it. Frankly, it became a symbol of it's own in the Iron Curtain times.

Now, I'm not in favor of illegal immigration or trafficking, I just find it incredibly dumb that simpletons buy that a medieval deterrent like a wall is more effective than the technological sophistication the US has to counter such a problem.

The reality is that it hasn't been solved because there's no political will to solve it. Good steps have been taken to bring it at the lowest it's been in a long time. We also discussed actual effective means to do that, like EVerify, etc, but those options are seemingly never on the table.

And so, we're pursuing the shameful symbolic wall instead, really for no other reason that it was campaign promise. Cost or efficiency be damned. It's stupid.

... and unconstitutional.

Executive asked legislative branch for something that ONLY the legislative branch can do per defined powers. Congress refused. Executive ignores.

Can't really support this move, and credibly claim you think the Constitution is important.

Supposed "conservatives" have been ignoring the emoluments clause because "Republican" for two years now.

Trump Party is making the case for impeachment easier.

[RandomGuy]

Lol, you really believe that FAQ was an accident? I think it's exactly the goal of AOC's puppet master, and they just shit backwards on it after the backlash.

AOC's "puppet master"?

Do tell.

[RandomGuy]

Anyone that has ever been to a US/Mexico border town that has any common sense realizes that drones, sensors, and "technology" can't possibly stop people, drugs, guns, etc. from easily flowing back and forth. In Texas, the towns are literally continuous,with houses and buildings running right up to the river on both sides, and by the time the Rio Grande gets to Texas it's not much of a river or a deterrent to crossings. And yeah, I just got back from checking on a big job in Laredo about an hour ago, so I have seen it recently.

I totally agree we don't need barriers in many sections further west because the terrain and lack of population and roads on either side is a significant deterrent, and drones and sensors would work just fine.

Most of the drugs flow through legal checkpoints. How exactly are the drones going to solve that?

Flying over the border in a plane and overstaying a visa is an easy way to bypass that if you want to be in the US. Those drones going to shoot down passenger airlines too?

[RandomGuy]

We need more immigration, and more temporary work permits. It's not that complicated. If you are concerned about laws being upheld, then loosen the laws, and add administrative resources to process requests faster.

Making it difficult simply makes all the problems worse, including the ones that "conservatives" say they care about.

[SpursforSix]

:lol goofy coons is a pretty accurate description of those clowns

that sounds like a new 2D platformer. "Goofy Coon".

Goofy Coon and the Tard Rocket

[CosmicCowboy]

AOC's "pupper master"?

Do tell.

Read up on AOC's chief of staff. He recruited her to front for his platform, not the other way around.

[RandomGuy]

Read up on AOC's chief of staff. He recruited her to front for his platform, not the other way around.

Because that jibes with the settled conservative narrative about her not being intelligent and being naive. Got it.

[RandomGuy]

Read up on AOC's chief of staff. He recruited her to front for his platform, not the other way around.

I must say though, all the attention she is getting from Fox "News" simply adds to her credibility and profile among people outside the bubble, not unlike the free coverage Trump got.

An odd irony.

Sokay. She is running circles around your pols on social media. It is funny to watch.

[boutons_deux]

Fox, right wing hate media needs filler for air time.

Them must realize that AOC/Dems in Congress won't get anythng progressive past the Senate AND Trash.

House Democrats officially unveil their first bill in the majority: a sweeping anti-corruption proposal


Democrats will take up

voting rights,

campaign finance reform, and

a lobbying crackdown —

all in their first bill of the year.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/30/18118158/house-democrats-anti-corruption-bill-hr-1-pelosi

Nothing truly significant can be changed by the House alone.

How about restoring $1B spending cut by Repugs from IRS? won't happen

The Dem bill to stop Trash's Wall Emergency Order will not get past the Senate.

If a miracle occurs (you Christians LOVE miracles) and the bill lands on Trash's desk, WH says he will veto it.

[Mikeanaro]

She hot

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz3-4utVAAAQyun.jpg

[spurraider21]

in the context of congress? she's a smoke show

[Winehole23]

There's not many 28 year olds in the US Congress, male or female.

[Pavlov]

She hot

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz3-4utVAAAQyun.jpg[/STSUPERMODELCANADIANGIRLFRIEND]

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Solmemes1/status/1098200739363651585

:lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1098457150458916865

Snowflake is complaining :lol

[Chris]

If he's drawing a check, it will come out. Link to the staff directory where he's listed as an employee?

Looks like he was getting paid:

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1098465536520921088

[spurraider21]

Looks like he was getting paid:

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1098465536520921088
thats from during the campaign, chris. not getting paid on taxpayer dime as "congressional staff"

moving goalposts per par

[boutons_deux]

https://external-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQDxsblc5Y42KNvL&w=540&h=282&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwashingtonpress.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Faoc-barr.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_eui2=AeFcpzocgWAG8ILyqqJPmLzd5fAjNLcxb9Y8qWkpG VGCuTbhnOZ3x9HKxjkA1vn8zs_fth1knC3W7xQ-8xwQ9A1tzzHgp4oDmFFB4oIuMX0irQ&_nc_hash=AQAUInACeWbSwZVf

Roseanne Barr just launched a racist, unhinged attack on Ocasio-Cortez

“That green new deal that that Farrakhan-loving bitch,”

Barr says in the video, referring to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.

“I don’t even remember her name.

The bug-eyed bitch that looks like a realtor. :lol

She got them realtor eyes. … :lol

Bug-eyed lying bitch, Farrakhan fan, Israel hater.

Lefty.

Dumbass, dumbass, dumb as they get,”

the actress continued in her rant.

https://washingtonpress.com/2019/02/21/roseanne-barr-just-launched-a-racist-unhinged-attack-on-ocasio-cortez/?fbclid=IwAR0TI6qD_zjDZGVwnyOxU_GqBhnDqLt88si3NpxY HH-T36BBegSnq06IriA

[Chucho]

https://external-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQDxsblc5Y42KNvL&w=540&h=282&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwashingtonpress.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Faoc-barr.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_eui2=AeFcpzocgWAG8ILyqqJPmLzd5fAjNLcxb9Y8qWkpG VGCuTbhnOZ3x9HKxjkA1vn8zs_fth1knC3W7xQ-8xwQ9A1tzzHgp4oDmFFB4oIuMX0irQ&_nc_hash=AQAUInACeWbSwZVf

Roseanne Barr just launched a racist, unhinged attack on Ocasio-Cortez

“That green new deal that that Farrakhan-loving bitch,”

Barr says in the video, referring to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.

“I don’t even remember her name.

The bug-eyed bitch that looks like a realtor. :lol

She got them realtor eyes. … :lol

Bug-eyed lying bitch, Farrakhan fan, Israel hater.

Lefty.

Dumbass, dumbass, dumb as they get,”

the actress continued in her rant.

https://washingtonpress.com/2019/02/21/roseanne-barr-just-launched-a-racist-unhinged-attack-on-ocasio-cortez/?fbclid=IwAR0TI6qD_zjDZGVwnyOxU_GqBhnDqLt88si3NpxY HH-T36BBegSnq06IriA




What's racist about her calling someone a "Farahkhan lover", dipshit?