Alexandria ocasio Cortez is a breath of fresh air

[Spurs Homer]

What's racist about her calling someone a "Farahkhan lover", dipshit?

lol native american doing his duty defending another racist -


I don't know why you would insult native americans by pretending you are in fact native american -
if native americans supported white supremacy as much as you do -

they would have been erased from this country a long time ago -


oh shit -


wait!....

[Chucho]

lol native american doing his duty defending another racist -


I don't know why you would insult native americans by pretending you are in fact native american -
if native americans supported white supremacy as much as you do -

they would have been erased from this country a long time ago -


oh shit -


wait!....


LOL, whitey still mad that Injun dont agree with him. Racist faggot.



Still, what's racist about calling someone a Farakhan lover, dipshit.

[Will Hunting]

Roseanne’s video is definitely unhinged, incoherent hatred, but I don’t see the part where it’s racist.

Seems like a really desperate attempt to keep herself relevant.

[SpursforSix]

Roseanne’s video is definitely unhinged, incoherent hatred, but I don’t see the part where it’s racist.

Seems like a really desperate attempt to keep herself relevant.

she's like the Avanti of Hollywood

[Luka Doncic]

The Left really needs to purge any Farrakhan sympathizers from the ranks. It’s retarded that they think he’s no big deal.

[Spurs Homer]

Whats racist?

gtfo of here

that bitch knows aoc’s name but chooses to minimize her by just labeling her with demeaning titles

she attacks aoc with lies linking her to farrakhan

she would not do this to a white congressman

[Luka Doncic]

Whats racist?

gtfo of here

that bitch knows aoc’s name but chooses to minimize her by just labeling her with demeaning titles

she attacks aoc with lies linking her to farrakhan

she would not do this to a white congressman
Roseanne is undoubtedly a racist. But just because she is a racist doesn’t mean that attack on AOC was a racist attack.

[Will Hunting]

Whats racist?

gtfo of here

that bitch knows aoc’s name but chooses to minimize her by just labeling her with demeaning titles

she attacks aoc with lies linking her to farrakhan

she would not do this to a white congressman
Demeaning doesn't always mean racist.

As Luka said, Roseanne is definitely a racist, but this particular attack wasn't. I'd say it (and the majority of other attacks against AOC for that matter) have more to do with sexism than racism. If AOC were an outspoken, 29 year old white woman I think Roseanne still calls her a bug-eyed bitch with "realtor eyes", but if it were a man with the same views AOC has then I agree Roseanne isn't talking about "realtor eyes".

Regarding Farrakhan, that just seemed like incoherent gibberish. AOC isn't black or Muslim so it's not like Roseanne drew some racist conclusion by linking the two, she was just saying random shit for shock value.

Keep in mind, Roseanne used to openly support socialism and i seriously doubt her politics took a genuine 180. The Trumptards worship her so she knows that she needs to keep them on her side to remain relevant.

[Will Hunting]

The Left really needs to purge any Farrakhan sympathizers from the ranks. It’s retarded that they think he’s no big deal.
As far as I can tell AOC isn't and never has been a Farrakhan sympathizer, but the DNC needs to force people like the Muslim congresswoman in Michigan who is to denounce Farrakhan and should cut off funding for those who don't. It's an absolute disgrace that Obama and Farrakhan were friends.

[koriwhat]

She hot

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz3-4utVAAAQyun.jpg

:barf

[koriwhat]

It's an absolute disgrace that Obama and Farrakhan were friends.

what did you expect? fuck both obama and farrakhan tbh.

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1098457150458916865

Snowflake is complaining :lol

Snowflake is running circles around you idiots.

The ads play to her narrative about the corrupting influence of rich billionaires buying politics in this country.

#OblviousChris :lol

[RandomGuy]

Roseanne’s video is definitely unhinged, incoherent hatred, but I don’t see the part where it’s racist.

Seems like a really desperate attempt to keep herself relevant.

Rosanne seems to be on some sort of drug-induced downward spiral. Oxycontin is my guess.

[Will Hunting]

Rosanne seems to be on some sort of drug-induced downward spiral. Oxycontin is my guess.
Wouldn't surprise me. She looked like an absolute mess in that video.

[Spurminator]

AOC isn't black or Muslim so it's not like Roseanne drew some racist conclusion by linking the two, she was just saying random shit for shock value.

I tend to agree, but it's not uncommon for racists to assume someone who is darker skinned is black or Muslim.

All in all I could not possibly care less about any of Roseanne's drug-fueled screeds and I'm not sure why writing about it passes for journalism.

[RandomGuy]

Wouldn't surprise me. She looked like an absolute mess in that video.

Known a few people on some serious opiods who sounded similar. Pure guess on my non-health expert part. She never struck me as overly stable.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1098987672411013121

yup

[Pavlov]

:lol boogeyman synergy

[RandomGuy]

BREAKING: NEW BREATHLESS RIGHT-WING COVERAGE OF AOC...


:lol

[spurraider21]

oh look a close-up on her making a face

[Chris]

:cry they keep showing her face :cry

[RandomGuy]

:lol boogeyman synergy

Is it just me or is she really getting under their skin?

The amount of attention they are giving her is over-the-top. I find the ironic parallel to the MSM coverage of Trump before the election. Tons of free publicity, she almost should be paying them.

[Chris]

Is it just me or is she really getting under their skin?

The amount of attention they are giving her is over-the-top. I find the ironic parallel to the MSM coverage of Trump before the election. Tons of free publicity, she almost should be paying them.

She's not running for anything though so your point doesn't make any sense. Is the amount of attention they are giving to Donald Trump over the top or is that kosher?

[koriwhat]

:cry they keep showing her face :cry

when you shine a light on all the cockroaches they scatter around...

[Chris]

when you shine a light on all the cockroaches they scatter around...

Apparently she's a very attractive cockroach according to 21.

[koriwhat]

Apparently she's a very attractive cockroach according to 21.

shining a light on her also brings out the cockroaches here on ST. the same ol' bitchmade dudes are the ones that show up to defend their darling on the left and all the other retards of that shit party.

[RandomGuy]

She's not running for anything though so your point doesn't make any sense. Is the amount of attention they are giving to Donald Trump over the top or is that kosher?

No, she isn't running for anything. That is what makes the attention all the more amusing. Her megaphone is amplified by the attention. Your derision is oxygen to her fire, just as MSM's about Trump's was. I would say that the amount of attention given to Trump is over the top as well. Both are for simple ratings/clicks.

The only difference is that she is vastly more intelligent and competent than Trump is. That is part of what the right wing can't stand.

[Chris]

No, she isn't running for anything. That is what makes the attention all the more amusing. Her megaphone is amplified by the attention. Your derision is oxygen to her fire, just as MSM's about Trump's was. I would say that the amount of attention given to Trump is over the top as well. Both are for simple ratings/clicks.

The only difference is that she is vastly more intelligent and competent than Trump is. That is part of what the right wing can't stand.

Trump is $$$.

AOC is political suicide.

Big difference.

[koriwhat]

The only difference is that she is vastly more intelligent and competent than Trump is. That is part of what the right wing can't stand.

lmao! she's not even as smart as the tar that holds the parking lot together at my shop.

[Pavlov]

Apparently she's a very attractive cockroach according to 21.#STCanadianSupermodelGirlfriend

[spurraider21]

Apparently she's a very attractive cockroach according to 21.
in the context of congresspeople, absolutely.

[Chris]

“In the deal, what we talk about is, it’s true, is that we need to take a look at factory farming, period. It’s wild,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

“And so, it’s not to say you get rid of agriculture. It’s not to say we’re going to force everybody to go vegan or anything crazy like that,” Ocasio-Cortez added.

She continued, “But it’s to say, listen, we’ve got to address factory farming. Maybe we shouldn’t be eating a hamburger for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Like, let’s keep it real.”

[spurraider21]

she's right

[Chris]

she's right

Like, totally.

[spurraider21]

Like, totally.
no, we are going to have to address beef consumption. it's not as pressing as CO2... but it will be part of the solution

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/sunrisemvmt/status/1099075460649107458?s=20

Toddlers pushing AOCs deal on an 80yo senator. :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

No, she isn't running for anything. That is what makes the attention all the more amusing. Her megaphone is amplified by the attention. Your derision is oxygen to her fire, just as MSM's about Trump's was. I would say that the amount of attention given to Trump is over the top as well. Both are for simple ratings/clicks.

The only difference is that she is vastly more intelligent and competent than Trump is. That is part of what the right wing can't stand.

That's pretty funny, RG. You really have the hots for her.

[Chris]

no, we are going to have to address beef consumption. it's not as pressing as CO2... but it will be part of the solution

How many hamburgers per day would you allow Americans under your plan. Walk me through this.

[boutons_deux]

....

[boutons_deux]

,,,

[CosmicCowboy]

Americas fat problem isn't because of beef. The factory farm argument is from wealthy spoiled pussys.

[Nathan89]

"The only difference is that she is vastly more intelligent and competent than Trump is. That is part of what the right wing can't stand."

Yeah, that's it.:lmao

[boutons_deux]

no, we are going to have to address beef consumption. it's not as pressing as CO2... but it will be part of the solution

cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys: water, fuel, x-icides needed to grow the crops to feed them, feed complented with hormones, antibiotics, all that is excreted as polluting, gaseous shit and piss, that often ends up in aquifers and surface waterways

industrial meat is an environmental disaster, while industrial mammal meet has long history of being pathogenic.

When America excretes the Mississippi river into the Gulf of Mexico, it causes a huge dead zone.

[Winehole23]

no, we are going to have to address beef consumption. it's not as pressing as CO2... but it will be part of the solutionmore generally, the organization of food production expressly for export needs to be looked at.

the social and environmental impacts of consolidation among a few big players are significant, as are the implications for US food security and public health more generally, should the current petrochemical intensive scheme of production become unfeasible.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1099383887770206210

Keep tweeting AOC all the way until 2020! :lol

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1099126500924760064?s=20

Fresh air.

[midnightpulp]

She's right. Conservative plan? I'd love to hear it. This shouldn't be a partisan issue.

*Unless you believe the world's scientific community is engaged in a conspiracy.

[Chris]

She's right. Conservative plan? I'd love to hear it. This shouldn't be a partisan issue.

*Unless you believe the world's scientific community is engaged in a conspiracy.

Conservatives don't believe in the climate change hoax/scheme so there is no plan.

Deal with it.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1099481003788259329

So sassy. So fresh, so face.

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1099481003788259329

So sassy. So fresh, so face.:lolSo obsessed.

[midnightpulp]

Conservatives don't believe in the climate change hoax/scheme so there is no plan.

Deal with it.

World's scientists bought off by Soros?

[Chris]

GLOBAL CLIMATE CRISIS

[Will Hunting]

OOOOO she sounds just like this sassy latina chick who was on Dr. Phil this one time!

[Pavlov]

Guyz I made a tweet I hope Citizen X likes it.

[midnightpulp]

Soros bought off NASA, too :lol


Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

[Will Hunting]

Soros bought off NASA, too :lol



https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
It's sadly ironic because the other 3% is comprised of a lot of scientists who are bought by Koch Industries and Exxon Mobile.

[Chris]

Already posted in the climate change thread, but a good watch:


ZDK1aCqqZkQ

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1099485109051215872

[midnightpulp]

Already posted in the climate change thread, but a good watch:


ZDK1aCqqZkQ

So why do you think he's right and the vast majority of scientists are wrong? He doesn't seem like an individual who practices good science:

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/17/patrick-moore/climate-change-skeptic-patrick-moore-says-earth-ha/

[Chris]

So why do you think he's right and the vast majority of scientists are wrong? He doesn't seem like an individual who practices good science:

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/17/patrick-moore/climate-change-skeptic-patrick-moore-says-earth-ha/

He's basically saying nothing is happening now that wasn't happening 20 million years ago. It's just weather patterns. That's really all you need to know.

[Chris]

"CO2 and temperature are out of synch more often that they are in synch which means there is no proof of a cause/effect relationship."

[Chris]

What the fuck does that even mean? :lol

It means you should stick to trollin' upstairs. Now go on - get.

[Pavlov]

It means you should stick to trollin' upstairs. Now go on - get.No, explain what that means.

[midnightpulp]

He's basically saying nothing is happening now that wasn't happening 20 million years ago. It's just weather patterns. That's really all you need to know.

Why don't other scientists agree?

Also, even if you don't believe in global climate change, why not curb carbon emissions for a more practical purpose of reducing smog and pollution? Or recycling and reusing for the purpose of reducing waste and garbage? Conservative really have no legit reason to be against "going green" other than they have to be against it because it's a cause associated with liberals.

[Chris]

No, explain what that means.

It means there are no correlations between the two until proven otherwise, thus man made emissions have no effect on the temperature.

[baseline bum]

So why do you think he's right and the vast majority of scientists are wrong? He doesn't seem like an individual who practices good science:

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/17/patrick-moore/climate-change-skeptic-patrick-moore-says-earth-ha/

Global warming conspiracy theorists always fucking cherry picking that 1998 starting point to pretend there has been no warming recently. :lmao

Ted Cruz used to use that 1998 baseline in all his arguments too.

[Chris]

The Earth is warming. Fact.

The Earth will cool down at some point. Fact.

These are natural weather patterns, but doom and gloom is profitable $$$.

[midnightpulp]

Dr. Moore then veers from the present to the deep past. He recounts “an Ice Age occurred 450 million years ago, when CO2 was 10 times higher than today.” If CO2 causes warming, and was abundant, he wonders why there was an “Ice Age”? We know much less about Earth was like 450 million years ago and thus our models of that time are crude compared with our understanding of the present. Oddly, Dr. Moore’s skepticism of modern climate models is missing when discussing the climate 450 million years ago. Nevertheless, we know plants colonized land at that time, and think they helped suck enough CO2 out of the air to cause global cooling. It’s one of few times organisms radically changed Earth’s chemistry. Humans are doing the reverse now. Caveat emptor.

:lol

Climate model no good for predicting 50 years into the future.
Climate model good for guessing what happened 450 million years ago.

https://www.providencejournal.com/opinion/commentary/20140309-stephen-porder-the-tired-arguments-of-warming-deniers.ece

[rmt]

no, we are going to have to address beef consumption. it's not as pressing as CO2... but it will be part of the solution

I'm a diabetic - to control diabetes, I eat mostly meat and vegetables and you want to address beef consumption? No beef and no cheese (or milk/yogurt which I don't consume - too many carbs). I could not control my diabetes on a vegan diet - beans - too much carb and not enough fat - even discounting it needs rice to complete the protein. Not to mention the whole business of you telling me what to eat - smh

[Chris]

Consensus is a political word ("vast majority"). All clearly explained in the video ^

[baseline bum]

I'm a diabetic - to control diabetes, I eat mostly meat and vegetables and you want to address beef consumption? No beef and no cheese (or milk/yogurt which I don't consume - too many carbs). I could not control my diabetes on a vegan diet - beans - too much carb and not enough fat - even discounting it needs rice to complete the protein. Not to mention the whole business of you telling me what to eat - smh

Fuck off Wild Cobra, no one cares about your beetus.

[rmt]

Americas fat problem isn't because of beef. The factory farm argument is from wealthy spoiled pussys.

Beef ain't the problem - that'd be refined wheat, corn, sugar, rice, etc. (carbs).

[rmt]

No, she isn't running for anything. That is what makes the attention all the more amusing. Her megaphone is amplified by the attention. Your derision is oxygen to her fire, just as MSM's about Trump's was. I would say that the amount of attention given to Trump is over the top as well. Both are for simple ratings/clicks.

The only difference is that she is vastly more intelligent and competent than Trump is. That is part of what the right wing can't stand.

She doesn't have much common sense to come up with this GND.

[Chris]

Processed foods and glyphosate are the problem. Corn syrup is highly addictive and is in almost EVERYTHING.

[midnightpulp]

The Earth is warming. Fact.

The Earth will cool down at some point. Fact.

These are natural weather patterns, but doom and gloom is profitable $$$.

It's the reverse actually. Moving toward a green society threatens profits of just about every industry on Earth. That's why there's such a resistance toward it. No more iPhones and other cheap garbage from China every year. No more fast fashion. Massive reduction in plastic use across the board. More re-using and repairing. More walking, biking, and use of public transportation in lieu of driving. Obese Americans not being able to eat their typical 30 pounds of beef and pork every week. The transition won't be comfortable, which is also why there's such resistance against it. Americans have become used to a lifestyle of buying the new iPhone every 6 months, driving around an SUV on the city streets, and eating their weight in meat every month.

[Chris]

Solar forcing of climate:


The Sun may have contributed as much as 66% of the observed 20th century warming, and perhaps more.

-Willie Soon


"There is a much stronger correlation with total solar irradiance (sunshine) and the temperature curve than there is for CO2 and the temperature curve."

[Chris]

It's the reverse actually. Moving toward a green society threatens profits of just about every industry on Earth. That's why there's such a resistance toward it. No more iPhones and other cheap garbage from China every year. No more fast fashion. Massive reduction in plastic use across the board. More re-using and repairing. More walking, biking, and use of public transportation in lieu of driving. Obese Americans not being able to eat their typical 30 pounds of beef and pork every week. The transition won't be comfortable, which is also why there's such resistance against it. Americans have become used to a lifestyle of buying the new iPhone every 6 months, driving around an SUV on the city streets, and eating their weight in meat every month.

That's the problem with Socialists, they want to tell everyone how to live. I think most common sense Americans are in favor of less pollution and recycling without Federal Government intervention.

[midnightpulp]

From 2005 to 2015, Soon had received over $1.2 million from the fossil fuel industry, while failing to disclose that conflict of interest in most of his work.[9]

:lmao

However, that's not a completely legitimate reason to dismiss him. Does he have any peer-reviewed papers? He's also not a climate scientist, he's an aerospace engineer. This is an example of: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ultracrepidarianism

[midnightpulp]

That's the problem with Socialists, they want to tell everyone how to live. I think most common sense Americans are in favor of less pollution and recycling without Federal Government intervention.

"Keep yer hands off my leaded gasoline."

- 1970s Patriotic American not wanting the gubmint to "tell him how to live."

Turns out removing lead from the environment improved the health of everyone.

[DarrinS]

Climate change has been happening for millions of years. I'm not seeing a crisis tho.

[Winehole23]

Climate change has been happening for millions of years. I'm not seeing a crisis tho.if you don't see any problem then there must not be one.

[midnightpulp]

Climate change has been happening for millions of years. I'm not seeing a crisis tho.

97% of climate scientists do. All bought off by Soros?

[Pavlov]

The Earth is warming. Fact.

The Earth will cool down at some point. Fact.

These are natural weather patterns, but doom and gloom is profitable $$$.:lol no, it isn't profitable.

[DarrinS]

97% of climate scientists do. All bought off by Soros?

97% think it is a "crisis"?

[midnightpulp]

Conservative should really welcome green reform. They fear China as an "emerging threat" to our hegemony, and China is by far the biggest offender right now in carbon emissions, so if we make a collective effort to curb our mass consumption of cheap, Chinese plastic crap, it'll reduce emissions (less Chinese factories making the shit, reduction in Chinese purchasing power, less cars, less pollution) while hitting China's economy hard. Win/win, no?

[DarrinS]

Conservative should really welcome green reform. They fear China as an "emerging threat" to our hegemony, and China is by far the biggest offender right now in carbon emissions, so if we make a collective effort to curb our mass consumption of cheap, Chinese plastic crap, it'll reduce emissions (less Chinese factories making the shit, reduction in Chinese purchasing power, less cars, less pollution) while hitting China's economy hard. Win/win, no?


Throw away your iPhone

[Chris]

Apple boycott - I'm definitely on board with that.

[Pavlov]

Throw away your iPhone
Would you pay more for an American iPhone?

[Pavlov]

Apple boycott - I'm definitely on board with that.Why?

[midnightpulp]

97% think it is a "crisis"?


The ongoing warming will increase risks and stresses to human societies, economies, ecosystems, and wildlife through the 21st century and beyond, making it imperative that society respond to a changing climate.

https://www.ametsoc.org/ams/index.cfm/about-ams/ams-statements/statements-of-the-ams-in-force/climate-change/

Sounds pretty important.

[Chris]

Why?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/technology/iphones-apple-china-made.html

[Pavlov]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/technology/iphones-apple-china-made.htmlWhat phone do you use, Chris?

[midnightpulp]

Throw away your iPhone

Haven't bought a new phone in 5 years, and no plans ever to buy another one. The majority of goods I buy are used.

[Chris]

What phone do you use, Chris?

It's an old iphone5c for my business, but the battery is shit so I'm about to replace it.

[DarrinS]

Would you pay more for an American iPhone?

I'm still on my galaxy note 3 from 2013.

I was being sarcastic. Get whatever phone you want. Earth will survive.

[Pavlov]

It's an old iphone5c for my business, but the battery is shit so I'm about to replace it.With an American phone?

[Chris]

With an American phone?

Buy American, hire American.

[midnightpulp]

I'm still on my galaxy note 3 from 2013.

I was being sarcastic. Get whatever phone you want. Earth will survive.

Sure it will, but that's not what we're talking. We're talking about the impact climate change will have on humans. The scientific consensus is that it's an imperative to address it. Are they wrong?

[Pavlov]

Buy American, hire American.So which American phone are you buying?

[midnightpulp]

So which American phone are you buying?

I admire Chris's spirit, but nobody really wants to buy American. They like their 100.00 televisions too much. Hope Chris is rocking a 70s Zenith or Westinghouse to watch the Spurs and Rangers, though.

[DarrinS]

Sure it will, but that's not what we're talking. We're talking about the impact climate change will have on humans. The scientific consensus is that it's an imperative to address it. Are they wrong?

What is the impact?

[midnightpulp]

What is the impact?


According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, in 2015 there were 10 weather and climate disaster events in the United States—including severe storms, floods, drought, and wildfires—that caused at least $1 billion in losses. For context, each year from 1980 to 2015 averaged $5.2 billion in disasters (adjusted for inflation). If you zero in on the years between 2011 and 2015, you see an annual average cost of $10.8 billion.

By 2100, it's estimated our oceans will be one to four feet higher, threatening coastal systems and low-lying areas, including entire island nations and the world's largest cities, including New York, Los Angeles, and Miami as well as Mumbai, Sydney, and Rio de Janeiro.

https://www.nrdc.org/stories/are-effects-global-warming-really-bad

You keep dodging the question, though. Scientists agree that it's an imperative to address it. Are they wrong?

[DMC]

Solar forcing of climate:


The Sun may have contributed as much as 66% of the observed 20th century warming, and perhaps more.

-Willie Soon


"There is a much stronger correlation with total solar irradiance (sunshine) and the temperature curve than there is for CO2 and the temperature curve."

I called that like in 20BC

[DarrinS]

https://www.nrdc.org/stories/are-effects-global-warming-really-bad

You keep dodging the question, though. Scientists agree that it's an imperative to address it. Are they wrong?

By controlling a single variable? Yes

[DMC]

:lol

Climate model no good for predicting 50 years into the future.
Climate model good for guessing what happened 450 million years ago.

https://www.providencejournal.com/opinion/commentary/20140309-stephen-porder-the-tired-arguments-of-warming-deniers.ece

I don't understand the debate regarding climate change or why there is a debate. It's like evolution, I think, in that it doesn't matter if you believe it or not, it's a name of a process that's happening.

I would have to accept the findings of the scientific community but based on the model, I don't know if I could justify a hard policy shift to attempt to counter it. I can see though how panic could ensue, or again how denial could ensue based on, in part, lack of education and a feeling of helplessness to do anything about it.

Whether or not humans are causing it, if it's happening then there needs to be a system in place to account for what is going to happen. Doesn't mean everything can be kept how it is globally, but at least locally we can put our homes on stilts and get bigger beer coolers.

[midnightpulp]

By controlling a single variable? Yes

So the experts in the field don't know what they're doing, but you got it figured out? I'm also not sure what you mean by them controlling a single variable? Are you suggesting they're focused too much on carbon emissions and not accounting for other variables that could also be influencing climate change? Yeah, I'm sure they did that. The scientific method demands it. So again, you're basically implying the world's experts on climate science don't know what they're doing. Maybe you can change their minds with a paper and win a Nobel.

[Chris]

So which American phone are you buying?

Maybe a Moto...idk yet.

[Pavlov]

Maybe a Moto...idk yet.Well, keep an eye out for det country of origin.

[spurraider21]

The Earth is warming. Fact.

The Earth will cool down at some point. Fact.

These are natural weather patterns, but doom and gloom is profitable $$$.
The earth has plenty of warming and cooling cycles. The major ones are cycles that go for hundreds of thousands of years or longer (most notably wobble of earths axis). Those aren’t going to “save” us in the next 50-150 years. There is the shorter “solar cycle” which fluctuates but the impact of that is measurable and doesn’t account for the warming we’ve had in the last 100 years.

Saying “we have cycles and it will cool eventually” is akin to dealing with 125 degree weather in July and saying you don’t need an air conditioner because we have season cycles and eventually we’ll have winter.

[midnightpulp]

The earth has plenty of warming and cooling cycles. The major ones are cycles that go for hundreds of thousands of years or longer (most notably wobble of earths axis). Those aren’t going to “save” us in the next 50-150 years. There is the shorter “solar cycle” which fluctuates but the impact of that is measurable and doesn’t account for the warming we’ve had in the last 100 years.

Saying “we have cycles and it will cool eventually” is akin to dealing with 125 degree weather in July and saying you don’t need an air conditioner because we have season cycles and eventually we’ll have winter.

Nice analogy.

[RandomGuy]

Solar forcing of climate:


The Sun may have contributed as much as 66% of the observed 20th century warming, and perhaps more.

-Willie Soon


"There is a much stronger correlation with total solar irradiance (sunshine) and the temperature curve than there is for CO2 and the temperature curve."

Ah. Dishonest quote mining. Per par. Little more than a non sequitur.

[midnightpulp]

Ah. Dishonest quote mining. Per par. Little more than a non sequitur.

Soon isn't even a climate scientist :lol

But put "Harvard educated" aside anyone's name and people will believe anything they have to say, regardless of whether or not it's their field.

[RandomGuy]

By controlling a single variable? Yes

The planet is getting hotter, and that is no longer any question, despite the lying that the pseudoscientific hack deniers have been trying to do through misleading and dishonest cherry picking of data, quote mining, and often outright lying.

You used to try and parrot the lie and say "it isn't getting hotter" or similar.

As I predicted almost a decade ago, the data would continue to pile up. Shocker, it got hotter, so much so that there is no denying it.

The propaganda machine for the fossil fuel trillions that cynically manipulated useful idiots like you who lack the critical thinking skills to see it for what it was can't change that.

So now, you are forced into the "its not CO2 trope" or "it isn't humans".

This strong of a warming trend this fast, means that whatever it is, should have a pretty clear signal. CO2 fits that part and parcel. Humans burning fuels and cutting down forest more than adequately explains the CO2.

What is your alternative explanation? Do tell.

[RandomGuy]

Soon isn't even a climate scientist :lol

But put "Harvard educated" aside anyone's name and people will believe anything they have to say, regardless of whether or not it's their field.


One of the more dishonest propaganda tools used was a petition signed by "scientists" who turned out to be dieticians, and chiropractors and so forth, who had about as much expertise in the field as my left foot.

This is simply how they lie about this subject. They can't help themselves. They don't understand the science and don't seem to care that they don't understand it.

No small part of this is owed to the poisonous effects of religion. Humans can't be messing things up because God wouldn't let that happen or similar. That is yet another way in which superstitious beliefs trample reason when it comes to something that should be a scientific question.

[midnightpulp]

The planet is getting hotter, and that is no longer any question, despite the lying that the pseudoscientific hack deniers have been trying to do through misleading and dishonest cherry picking of data, quote mining, and often outright lying.

You used to try and parrot the lie and say "it isn't getting hotter" or similar.

As I predicted almost a decade ago, the data would continue to pile up. Shocker, it got hotter, so much so that there is no denying it.

The propaganda machine for the fossil fuel trillions that cynically manipulated useful idiots like you who lack the critical thinking skills to see it for what it was can't change that.

So now, you are forced into the "its not CO2 trope" or "it isn't humans".

This strong of a warming trend this fast, means that whatever it is, should have a pretty clear signal. CO2 fits that part and parcel. Humans burning fuels and cutting down forest more than adequately explains the CO2.

What is your alternative explanation? Do tell.

I'll boil it down. Conservatives are resistant to admitting the reality of AGW because doing so would cede a "victory" to those darn libruls. That's it. There's literally no logical reason to be against addressing climate change. Don't see how it's going to "destroy the economy" when new industry will emerge. Sure, many industries will see reduced profits, but the economy won't be "destroyed." And no, air travel and dairy aren't going to be banned.

[midnightpulp]

One of the more dishonest propaganda tools used was a petition signed by "scientists" who turned out to be dieticians, and chiropractors and so forth, who had about as much expertise in the field as my left foot.

This is simply how they lie about this subject. They can't help themselves. They don't understand the science and don't seem to care that they don't understand it.

No small part of this is owed to the poisonous effects of religion. Humans can't be messing things up because God wouldn't let that happen or similar. That is yet another way in which superstitious beliefs trample reason when it comes to something that should be a scientific question.

Well, I'd actually like them to be more biblical since God instructed us to be good stewards of his creation. You can similarly use a person's religious beliefs to motivate toward them toward the good.

https://www.creationcare.org/witness

[RandomGuy]

I'll boil it down. Conservatives are resistant to admitting the reality of AGW because doing so would cede a "victory" to those darn libruls. That's it. There's literally no logical reason to be against addressing climate change. Don't see how it's going to "destroy the economy" when new industry will emerge. Sure, many industries will see reduced profits, but the economy won't be "destroyed." And no, air travel and dairy aren't going to be banned.

My thoughts exactly. They can't admit they are wrong about ANYTHING, EVER.

When you take page from "the moon landings are faked crowds", your ideology is intellectually bankrupt.

Good critical thinking requires taking in an occasional negative feedback of contravening evidence and changing your mind.

[Chris]

How do we address climate change? By giving Al Gore more money, or should we do a universal carbon tax?

[ElNono]

How do we address climate change?

A good start is informing ourselves by more than a random Youtube video that agrees with our position due to some political cheerleading.

[RandomGuy]

How do we address climate change? By giving Al Gore more money, or should we do a universal carbon tax?

From an economic standpoint the carbon tax is the best solution. Simply impose the true cost and let the market sort out the best solution. As noted, this is what the fossil fuel companies have pushed for. They are, under everything, simply energy companies. They will figure out the rest.

[RandomGuy]

A good start is informing ourselves by more than a random Youtube video that agrees with our position due to some political cheerleading.

The amount of effort needed to blow past most bad arguments is really small in my experience. "the scientists are all in it for the money" is a prime example. As if scientists could sustain a fiction, when you have a multi-trillion dollar fossil fuel industry that would call them on it in a heartbeat if it could be proven with evidence that the scientists were making things up. It doesn't hold up to the slightest test of reasonableness.

[BD24]

Imagine being so stupid that you think 90 some odd % of scientist are in on a hoax/conspiracy

qhris :lol

[RandomGuy]

Don't see how it's going to "destroy the economy" when new industry will emerge. Sure, many industries will see reduced profits, but the economy won't be "destroyed." And no, air travel and dairy aren't going to be banned.

You put your finger on it. The economic arguments for doing nothing, and not switching don't pan out. It won't destroy the economy, merely shift it. Let's even grant for the sake of argument, that energy bills go up an average of 5%. How much will average wages go up from the new investments and industries? If the additional economic activity increases average wages by 10%, then keeping the current system makes people worse off, not better, economic damage from climate upheaval aside.

The people screaming loudest about the harm, but glossing over the benefits are exactly the people you would think would be motivated to tell 1/2 truths, i.e. people with fossil fuel investments.

[RandomGuy]

Imagine being so stupid that you think 90 some odd % of scientist are in on a hoax/conspiracy

qhris :lol

The problem with this is that the biggest claims to fame in science tend to go to people who upset conventional orthodoxies by getting better evidence and finding better theories. "they are in it for the research grants" is risible on its face as being completely unsupported by any statement of motive.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1099458921901613056?s=20

At least she's trying guys.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/GobAbiertoBOL/status/1099825852181856256
https://twitter.com/GobAbiertoBOL/status/1099833156063113216
https://twitter.com/GobAbiertoBOL/status/1099834998457360390
https://twitter.com/GobAbiertoBOL/status/1099842433381224448
https://twitter.com/GobAbiertoBOL/status/1099845906147491840
https://twitter.com/GobAbiertoBOL/status/1099863123111170049

[Pavlov]

Holy shit Chris watched every one of those videos.

There is all the evidence needed to prove abject obsession.

[DarrinS]

She probably doesn't need those nasal strips

Gets plenty of fresh air

[Nathan89]

How do we address climate change? By giving Al Gore more money, or should we do a universal carbon tax?

Kicking out the 11+ million illegals in one of the highest per capital polluting countries would be one of the most effective steps but I've yet to see it proposed.

[Winehole23]

Kicking out the 11+ million illegals in one of the highest per capital polluting countries would be one of the most effective steps but I've yet to see it proposed.Blame the Reagan amnesty.

Oh, I'm sorry, you want to renege on that deal.

[Winehole23]

To that end, it might be expeditious as well to exterminate all Democrats and leftists. They're far more numerous than "illegals" and the environmental gain would be so much the greater.

Would you be amenable to that, Nathan89?

[Nathan89]

If she cares about the environment then the green deal shouldn't be loaded with trash that doesn't pertain to the environment.

[DMC]

To that end, it might be expeditious as well to exterminate all Democrats and leftists. They're far more numerous than "illegals" and the environmental gain would be so much the greater.

Would you be amenable to that, Nathan89?

Anyone with extreme ideals should be dragged into the street and shot like dogs.

[Nathan89]

To that end, it might be expeditious as well to exterminate all Democrats and leftists. They're far more numerous than "illegals" and the environmental gain would be so much the greater.

Would you be amenable to that, Nathan89?

A call to send illegals back to the country they belong is equivalent to a call for Mass murder to you?

[Winehole23]

If she cares about the environment then the green deal shouldn't be loaded with trash that doesn't pertain to the environment.Building a green grid on a war footing would entail significant social/occupational dislocation. It wouldn't do to leave all those people in the lurch, would it?

[DMC]

Kicking out the 11+ million illegals in one of the highest per capital polluting countries would be one of the most effective steps but I've yet to see it proposed.

This is a bit misleading. Illegals aren't polluting any more here than they would be in Mexico or wherever they are from.

[Winehole23]

A call to send illegals back to the country they belong is equivalent to a call for Mass murder to you?Equivalent, no.

It would be cruel and inhumane, though.

[Nathan89]

Building a green grid on a war footing would entail significant social/occupational dislocation. It wouldn't do to leave all those people in the lurch, would it?

So more reason for getting rid of illegals to be part of the deal.

[Winehole23]

Anyone with extreme ideals should be dragged into the street and shot like dogs.Extreme ideals involve extreme measures. Ends justify the means, right?

[Winehole23]

So more reason for getting rid of illegals to be part of the deal.Anything for expediency, right?

[Nathan89]

This is a bit misleading. Illegals aren't polluting any more here than they would be in Mexico or wherever they are from.

Mexico has a lower per capita emissions than the US

[Winehole23]

Equivalent, no.

It would be cruel and inhumane, though.Just imagine the scale of bureaucracy required to carry it out.

[Nathan89]

Just imagine the scale of bureaucracy required to carry it out.

So like everything else involved in the deal.

[Winehole23]

So like everything else involved in the deal.it would require police action on a scale this country has never seen.

[Nathan89]

Equivalent, no.

It would be cruel and inhumane, though.

It seems sacrifice is in order. If we don't take immediate and drastic action the world is ending in 12 years.

[Winehole23]

It would also sweep US citizens into the net.

We know this because it has already happened.

[Nathan89]

it would require police action on a scale this country has never seen.

There are other methods. When they can't get jobs or send their kids to school they'll head out.

[Winehole23]

It seems sacrifice is in order. If we don't take immediate and drastic action the world is ending in 12 years.So you see the GND as equivalent to the mass deportation you desire.

Interesting.

Perhaps you can begin to repect it for the perceived similarity.

[Winehole23]

There are other methods. When they can't get jobs or send their kids to school they'll head out.Most of "them" do go to school and get jobs.

Not sure what you're driving at.

[Winehole23]

It seems sacrifice is in order. If we don't take immediate and drastic action the world is ending in 12 years.You think American civilization is going to end if we don't deport 11 million people.

What's the difference between what you want and the GND?

[boutons_deux]

AOC to pay herstaff $52K / year, Repugs pissed

[Winehole23]

You think American civilization is going to end if we don't deport 11 million people.

What's the difference between what you want and the GND?Or do you want to fold mass deportation into the GND?

You seem a little confused here.

[Chris]

It seems sacrifice is in order. If we don't take immediate and drastic action the world is ending in 12 years.

Bomb the coal factories in India and China.

[Winehole23]

Bomb the coal factories in India and China.Srsly?

[DarrinS]

I hope Florida doesn't become submerged AGAIN.

[Winehole23]

So more reason for getting rid of illegals to be part of the deal.Sure, but what about everyone else?

[Winehole23]

I hope Florida doesn't become submerged AGAIN.when was the last time that happened and what would be the human cost for even a foot or two of sea level elevation?

For the record, I hope that doesn't happen.

[DarrinS]

Bomb the coal factories in India and China.

Or, put out coal fissure fires that have been burning for decades, in some cases centuries.

[DarrinS]

when was the last time that happened and what would be the human cost for even a foot or two of sea level elevation?

For the record, I hope that doesn't happen.

A long time before the industrial revolution

[Pavlov]

:lol Darrin.

"If it hasn't happened, it will never happen! MAGA!"

[Winehole23]

Comparing coal fissure fires to industrial civilization on a worldwide scale is the height of cynical ignorance.

Akin to comparing environmental disasters to the volume of the Superdome.

[Pavlov]

OIL JUST BLOOPS UP IN SOME PLACES

[Winehole23]

A long time before the industrial revolutionWell, Florida doean't have to go completely underwater for millions of people to suffer.

[DarrinS]

Comparing coal fissure fires to industrial civilization on a worldwide scale is the height of cynical ignorance.

Akin to comparing environmental disasters to the volume of the Superdome.

Dinosaurs be like, wtf?

[Winehole23]

How did the dinosaurs die, Darrin?

Was that mass extinction climate related?

[Winehole23]

Have there been measurable mass extinctions, post industrialization?

[Pavlov]

I think Darrin is drinking. He's even more evasive than normal.

[midnightpulp]

Darrin still hasn't articulated why those 97% of scientists are wrong. Hopefully he's getting started on that groundbreaking paper that will win him a Nobel.

[Nathan89]

AOC to pay herstaff $52K / year, Repugs pissed

How did she achieve it? Less staff or less talented staff?

[Pavlov]

Darrin still hasn't articulated why those 97% of scientists are wrong. Hopefully he's getting started on that groundbreaking paper that will win him a Nobel.
:lol he never will. He'll talk about his tax return because he needs to impress us.

[DarrinS]

How did the dinosaurs die, Darrin?

Was that mass extinction climate related?

Asteroid or volcano. Not SUV

[Winehole23]

Cheers:bobo

[Winehole23]

Asteroid or volcano. Not SUVSame principle.

Is industrial civilization comparable in any way?

[Winehole23]

How did she achieve it? Less staff or less talented staff?Just willing to pay more..The math isn't hard.

[Pavlov]

Darrin needs to be reassured he doesn't have to care about anything but money.

That's why he loves Trump.

[midnightpulp]

:lol he never will. He'll talk about his tax return because he needs to impress us.

This should be required reading for all conservatives. I've noticed over the past decade or so of them fitting this mentality to a T.


"The crux of the book's argument is that... the American public have grown increasingly hostile to expertise"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Expertise

Who needs academic experts though when you got the youtubes and random bloggers?

[DarrinS]

Same principle.

Is industrial civilization comparable in any way?

Nope

[Nathan89]

Just willing to pay more..The math isn't hard.

Do they not have the same staff budget? If so then she isn't going to be able to pay for more talented staff. Although her big name could offset that. But that wouldn't work for everyone.

[Winehole23]

Indeed. The narrative is more powerful than science.

[DarrinS]

Darrin needs to be reassured he doesn't have to care about anything but money.

That's why he loves Trump.

Womp womp.

Work on your material

[Winehole23]

NopeSure it is. Particulate matter in the atmosphere.

The only thing different is the rate of climatic change.

[Pavlov]

This should be required reading for all conservatives. I've noticed over the past decade or so of them fitting this mentality to a T.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Expertise

Who needs academic experts though when you got the youtubes and random bloggers?
Yeah I like Nichols. Pretty level headed.

[Pavlov]

Womp womp.

Work on your materialProve me wrong.

[Winehole23]

Do they not have the same staff budget? If so then she isn't going to be able to pay for more talented staff. Although her big name could offset that. But that wouldn't work for everyone.

Too bad your efforts to monsterize her have propelled AOC to such a level of prominence.

Your resistance is and will be a selling/fundraising bonanza.

[Pavlov]

Too bad your efforts to monsterze her have propelled AOC to such a level of prominence.

Your resistance is and will be a selling/fundraising bonanza.
:lol no shit.

I would've known nothing about her after the primary win we're it not for triggered board Trumpistas.

[midnightpulp]

Yeah I like Nichols. Pretty level headed.

It's really incredible how since the rise of the Internet, everyone has suddenly became a brilliant autodidact well versed in everything from quantum physics to economics to engineering. Nah, no need to spend years learning a field. The youtubes and blogs got everything you need to know!

[Chris]

Still beating the consensus drum. Feels good to be a "climate denier" tbh.

[Pavlov]

Still beating the consensus drum. Feels good to be a "climate denier" tbh.
"maverick"

[DarrinS]

97%
12 years, or we're toast
She's the boss
Cow farts

[Chris]

My carbon footprint, my choice.

[Chris]

Galileo was a bit of a maverick.

[midnightpulp]

Still beating the consensus drum. Feels good to be a "climate denier" tbh.

Willie Soon, who isn't even a climate scientist, got it figured it out, right? Why wouldn't you trust a consensus of experts? All bought off by Soros to impose that ebil soshulism?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1099867962603986946

[Winehole23]

It's all worth it for a tasty burger and a mess we may not live to see, fuck our kids and grandkids!

[Chris]

If only we could build a device to catch the cow farts.

[spurraider21]

Galileo was a bit of a maverick.
Yeah because he stood up for the scientific method in the face of religious/political dogma.

And now you are advocating for political/religious dogma as a replacement for the scientific method

[Winehole23]

So trite.

The industrial production of meat might not be sustainable for a number of reasons other than environmental reasons, public health, food security and soil management among them.

But yeah, methane is real too.

[DMC]

Extreme ideals involve extreme measures. Ends justify the means, right?

They should but you can't trust people to follow through these days. "Sure I'll press the button, sure I won't chicken out" they said.

[DarrinS]

It's all worth it for a tasty burger and a mess we may not live to see, fuck our kids and grandkids!

Oh shit. I ate a burger tonight, as did my kids. Goodbye cruel world. :cry

[Winehole23]

They should but you can't trust people to follow through these days. "Sure I'll press the button, sure I won't chicken out" they said.Follow through with what?

[midnightpulp]

My carbon footprint, my choice.

Not how it works. Your choices can indirectly affect others. Like take the average conservative who likes to eat a metric ton of meat and pie every year.* His poor dietary choices translates into increased health care costs for everyone. http://business.time.com/2009/07/09/lets-just-blame-the-fat-people/

*not talking shit, conservatives are provably fatter than liberals:


Even when the researchers controlled for factors such as race and income, these results held. This evidence serves to strengthen the conclusion that Republicans are more likely to be obese than Democrats.

https://medium.com/@Ben_Chapman/whos-healthier-republicans-or-democrats-bb5bdf0555d

[Chris]

Yeah because he stood up for the scientific method in the face of religious/political dogma.

And now you are advocating for political/religious dogma as a replacement for the scientific method

Galileo was a devout Christian.

"God is known by nature in his works, and by doctrine in his revealed word."

I'm not advocating for any kind of "religious/political dogma." That is simply a fallacy.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1099867962603986946

She's speaking to an audience that is questioning the ethics behind having children while supporting open borders for those that have loads of children.

[Winehole23]

Oh shit. I ate a burger tonight, as did my kids. Goodbye cruel world. :crygod you're so trite.

[Chris]

Not how it works. Your choices can indirectly affect others. Like take the average conservative who likes to eat a metric ton of meat and pie every year.* His poor dietary choices translates into increased health care costs for everyone.

The butterfly effect? Sounds like chaos theory.

[DMC]

Mexico has a lower per capita emissions than the US

Cause vs correlation

You're using a national output and dividing it by population, then assuming getting rid of the divisor will affect the dividend. Florida has more oranges per capita than Texas. If people move from Florida to Texas, will that affect the orange crop in Florida?

The pollution per capita would increase in the US if the poorest people left because they are the least of the consumers of energy and resources.

[Chris]

She's speaking to an audience that is questioning the ethics behind having children while supporting open borders for those that have loads of children.

Children out of wedlock as well. She wants Chinese policies here in the United States, that is plain.

[midnightpulp]

The butterfly effect? Sounds like chaos theory.

No. Like affecting others in the vein of second hand smoke or my obesity example. A person might think they're the only one affected by stuffing their face with triple cheeseburgers everyday, but an obese person is more expensive to medically treat and thus premiums get raised all around to cover costs.

[Winehole23]

Btw, DarrinS you never explained how industrial civilization varies in kind from an asteroid or a volcano in environmental impact.

You said they weren't alike

How are they different?

Besides volcanos and asteroids being episodic and industrial civilization being a mundane input that has been growing geometrically for the last 170 years?

[Winehole23]

Triple

[Winehole23]

dp

[Chris]

No. Like affecting others in the vein of second hand smoke or my obesity example. A person might think they're the only one affected by stuffing their face with triple cheeseburgers everyday, but an obese person is more expensive to medically treat and thus premiums get raised all around to cover costs.

Maybe a mandated quarterly physical would do the trick. If you're overweight, off to the rehabilitation center you go. Only one triple cheese burger per week could be implemented with the next wave of plastic straw bans.

[DarrinS]

When ice melts and it reveals humans and tools. What does tell you?

[Winehole23]

When ice melts and it reveals humans and tools. What does tell you?What does it tell you?

[midnightpulp]

:lmao nowhere in that vid did she advocate for a one-child policy. She was simply asking a rhetorical question. I'll happily take bets on this, too. I bet we'll never see AOC formally propose one-child policy to become law. Perhaps she believes a one-child policy is right for her personal situation, but that's the extent of it. Any takers?

[DarrinS]

Btw, DarrinS, you never explained how industrial civilization varies in kind from an asteroid or a volcano in environmental impact.

You said they weren't alike

How are they different?

Besides volcanos and asteroids being episodic and industrial civilization being a mundane input that has been growing geometrically for the last 170 years.


Natural things, like asteroids or volcanos are instant and catastrophic. Human influence is more subtle

[DarrinS]

What does it tell you?

It was once warmer than today

[midnightpulp]

Maybe a mandated quarterly physical would do the trick. If you're overweight, off to the rehabilitation center you go. Only one triple cheese burger per week could be implemented with the next wave of plastic straw bans.

Why should I pay more for my health care to cover the costs of the fat guy who can't put the down the cheeseburgers and donuts? Isn't that how the conservative argument goes? You hate "paying for" the irresponsible choices of others.

[Winehole23]

Natural things, like asteroids or volcanos are instant and catastrophic. Human influence is more subtleGeometric growth of emissions isn't subtle.

The last 170 years of civilization do not compare with all preceding human history in scale, population, productivity and external impact.

If you don't get that, you're not paying attention.

[DarrinS]

Geometric growth of emissions isn't subtle.

The last 170 years of civilization do not compare with all preceding human history.

If you don't get that, you're not paying attention.

We're in an interglacial bro

[Winehole23]

What's an interglacial, bro?

Cite your sources, bro.

[DarrinS]

Videos like this crack me up. No obvious questions asked


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg77JLUf1uc

[Nathan89]

Cause vs correlation

You're using a national output and dividing it by population, then assuming getting rid of the divisor will affect the dividend. Florida has more oranges per capita than Texas. If people move from Florida to Texas, will that affect the orange crop in Florida?

The pollution per capita would increase in the US if the poorest people left because they are the least of the consumers of energy and resources.

The per capita would increase but we would have a net decrease which will exceed the increase they will have in when they return to the countries they belong.

[DarrinS]

What's an interglacial, bro?

Cite your sources, bro.

Seriously?

[Winehole23]

Yeah, man.

Tell us all what you mean.

I had no idea you were a climate scientist. Lay it on us.

[midnightpulp]

It was once warmer than today

Did the humans who lived in that "warmer yesterday" hundreds of thousands of years ago have anything resembling the society we have today? Did they suffer billions of dollars worth of damage to their yurts when climate-change influenced natural disasters increased in frequency? Did they have trillion dollar economies existing on coastlines? Or trillion dollar economies that are projected to become uninhabitable due to pollution?

[Nathan89]

Why should I pay more for my health care to cover the costs of the fat guy who can't put the down the cheeseburgers and donuts? Isn't that how the conservative argument goes? You hate "paying for" the irresponsible choices of others.

Well don't implement a socialized system if you don't want to pay for the poor choices of others.

[Winehole23]

Videos like this crack me up. No obvious questions asked


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg77JLUf1ucwhat caused the interglacial in the past?

what's causing it now, if it is that?

[Winehole23]

Is it your contention, DarrinS, that industrial civilization has zero impact on global climate?

[DarrinS]

Is it your contention, DarrinS, that industrial civilization has zero impact on global climate?

No

[Winehole23]

Noso what is it you're trying to say?

[Chris]

What's an interglacial, bro?

Cite your sources, bro.

Saltyhole23 :lol

[midnightpulp]

:lmao Darrin comparing prehistoric human societies to modern ones. See, Darrin, the human population then was probably less than 20 million, and human tribes were very migratory, so if the region they were settled in started to become uncomfortable due to a changing climate, they could simply pack up and move to another region rather freely. There weren't such things as national and global economies to crash due to environmental disaster of some sort. No one is suggesting the world is going to end, just that climate-change will place a significant strain on our modern society as designed. And again, 97% agree it's an imperative to address sooner rather than later.

Why so resistant? Afraid the burgers and SUVs are going to be taken away?

[Winehole23]

Thanks, by the way, for finally admitting industrial civilization is not different in kind than volcanos and asteroids. It does affect the climate, and in exactly the same way.

[DarrinS]

so what is it you're trying to say?

Both you and AOC need a remedial lesson in natural science

[Winehole23]

Saltyhole23 :lolEmptyhole Chris :lol

[Winehole23]

Both you and AOC need a remedial lesson in natural scienceTeach us, profe!

[Winehole23]

You haven't even started yet. All hand waving, no lesson.

[midnightpulp]

Well don't implement a socialized system if you don't want to pay for the poor choices of others.

Are you this dumb? If a fat guy(s) start to become a significant cost, even under a private insurer, either paid for out-of-pocket or employee provided, the insurance company isn't going to raise the individual fat guy(s) premiums to the moon (knowing he can't pay). They'll marginally raise his premiums and the premiums of healthy people to off-set the costs of treating more expensive patients.

[DarrinS]

:lmao Darrin comparing prehistoric human societies to modern ones. See, Darrin, the human population then was probably less than 20 million, and human tribes were very migratory, so if the region they were settled in started to become uncomfortable due to a changing climate, they could simply pack up and move to another region rather freely. There weren't such things as national and global economies to crash due to environmental disaster of some sort. No one is suggesting the world is going to end, just that climate-change will place a significant strain on our modern society as designed. And again, 97% agree it's an imperative to address sooner rather than later.

Why so resistant? Afraid the burgers and SUVs are going to be taken away?


You don't even understand your so-called 97%. Lol

[DarrinS]

You haven't even started yet. All hand waving, no lesson.

Not my job

[Nathan89]

What percentage of people that recognize the world is ending in 12 years have given up burgers?

[Winehole23]

Not my jobTo back up your own bs?

Clearly not.

[Nathan89]

Are you this dumb? If a fat guy(s) start to become a significant cost, even under a private insurer, either paid for out-of-pocket or employee provided, the insurance company isn't going to raise the individual fat guy(s) premiums to the moon (knowing he can't pay). They'll marginally raise his premiums and the premiums of healthy people to off-set the costs of treating more expensive patients.

So your complaint is with insurance companies not charging the correct rate.

[midnightpulp]

You don't even understand your so-called 97%. Lol

I understand they feel it's an imperative to address it.


The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) has reaffirmed the position of its Board of Directors and the leaders of 18 respected organizations, who concluded based on multiple lines of scientific evidence that global climate change caused by human activities is now underway, and it is a growing threat to society.The AAAS Board noted that “the pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last five years.

The time to control greenhouse gas emissions is now.”

Do you know better than these 18 organizations? They seem to endorse controlling emissions ASAP. Why don't you agree? Are you a climate scientist? Have a peer-reviewed paper you can show me?

[midnightpulp]

So your complaint is with insurance companies not charging the correct rate.

I don't have a complaint. I was explaining to Chris that your actions don't always just affect you personally, so it might be wise to think twice before acting like a selfish pig all the time.

[Winehole23]

Nowhat leads you to conclude it has any effect at all?

[Pavlov]

:lmao drunk Darrin tried to make JFK a Republican with a YouTube someone sent him and Qhris tried to compare himself to Galileo.

This is really all one needs to know about these two.

[Winehole23]

what leads you to conclude it has any effect at all?and since you concede that it does have an effect, what effect does it have?

[midnightpulp]

:lmao drunk Darrin tried to make JFK a Republican with a YouTube someone sent him and Qhris tried to compare himself to Galileo.

This is really all one needs to know about these two.

He's also an expert climate scientist :lol