Border Security

[MultiTroll]

Haitian migrants in custody have 'hijacked' multiple buses (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/haitian-migrants-in-custody-have-hijacked-multiple-buses/ar-AAOI5fa?ocid=undefined)

DEL RIO, Texas — Haitian migrants in federal custody have "hijacked" multiple buses during transport rides and forced out drivers in incidents that threaten to stop the U.S. government's immigration enforcement operations, according to three people familiar with the incidents.
"They’ve been basically overpowering the drivers and they’ve actually hijacked a couple of the buses and driven them down the road a little ways and escaped. This happened multiple times," a senior federal law enforcement official told the Washington Examiner Tuesday evening.

HAITIAN MIGRANTS REVOLT IN CUSTODY AND OVERTAKE PRIVATELY CONTRACTED BUS

"They’re moving the detainees, but they’re not shackled — they’re not restrained in any way. Yesterday some detainees kicked a window out and 22 escaped," the same official said, referring to an incident on Monday.
On Monday afternoon, a bus bound for San Antonio, Texas, was taken over during the two-and-a-half-hour trip from the international bridge in Del Rio. The migrants on board had been picked up from the makeshift migrant camp, where thousands are waiting to be taken into custody.
"They did break out of the bus, and they did escape," a second federal law enforcement official confirmed to the Washington Examiner on Tuesday.
Law enforcement searched for the escapees and recaptured them that evening.
Original Author: Anna Giaritelli

[MultiTroll]

^ but but but don't spin the reins near them, menacingly.


No, but those dudes were spinning reins, menacingly. :lol

[DarrinS]

Sounds like something from The Onion

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[Winehole23]

"great replacement"

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[Winehole23]

we don't need the KKK for this shit anymore, now we have OANN and Fox News and the useful idiots who spread it for them


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[ElNono]

"great replacement"

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So what you're saying is Nathans' victimhood roamed the earth a 100 years ago as well...

[Winehole23]

So what you're saying is Nathans' victimhood roamed the earth a 100 years ago as well...it never went away

[Winehole23]

segregation and racist US immigration laws were a direct influence on the Nazis


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[Winehole23]

The Biden administration is preparing to reopen a migrant detention camp at Guantánamo Bay in the wake of a surge of migrants (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/22/haiti-migrants-texas-us-immigration) and asylum seekers on the southern border.
(https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/sep/18/haiti-migrants-us-texas-violence)
The Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) bureau is inviting tenders (https://sam.gov/opp/147ad51255e34b4aae79e5b297f4ea88/view) for private contractors to run the Migrant Operations Center (https://www.globaldetentionproject.org/countries/americas/united-states/detention-centres/924/guantanamo-migrant-operations-center) on the US naval base, close to the prison compounds housing the remaining 39 detainees held in the “war on terror”.

The migrant camp was first set up in 1991 and was intended to hold Cuban asylum seekers. Ultimately it was used to detain about 34,000 Haitians and roughly the same number of Cubans until it was wound down by the Obama administration. It has not been used to hold migrants since 2017.

Ice is looking for a private contractor to run the centre and provide unarmed custody and security officers.

“At least 10 percent of the augmented personnel must be fluent in Spanish and Haitian Creole,” states the advertisement, first reported by NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/biden-admin-seeks-contractor-run-migrant-detention-facility-gitmo-guards-n1279886). It was placed on the Sam.gov government contracting website on 17 September with a deadline for offers of 1 October.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/22/guantanamo-bay-migrant-camp-biden-reopen




the carefully hedged rejoinder:


"[DHS] is not and will not send Haitian nationals being encountered at the southwest border to the Migrant Operations Center (MOC) in Guantanamo Bay," wrote (https://twitter.com/MCatronDHS/status/1440838243860160525)Marsha Espinosa, the assistant secretary for public affairs at DHS, on Twitter.https://www.npr.org/2021/09/23/1039950240/biden-contractor-migrant-facility-guantanamo

[Winehole23]

US special envoy resigns

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_96YICWUAED8uI?format=png&name=900x900
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[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1441085482524299267?s=19

[CosmicCowboy]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1441085482524299267?s=19

Ordered by the white house. Hopefully the border patrol guys go on strike and tell those assholes in DC to come down themselves and fix the mess they created.

[MultiTroll]

Ordered by the white house. Hopefully the border patrol guys go on strike and tell those assholes in DC to come down themselves and fix the mess they created.
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Will they be temporarily suspending chauffeured bus rides that give the asshole element within the Hatian the chance to hijack?

[boutons_deux]

segregation and racist US immigration laws were a direct influence on the Nazis


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As I posted a couple days ago, Nazis studied KKK/American racist methods, but found some too brutal.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1441077089751293960?s=20

Incompetent leftists pandering to their emotional base. The left is a destructive force.

[Nathan89]

Leftists think I'm supposed to be silent as they simultaneously preach white hatred and open borders. Nah.

[Nathan89]

A country as politically polarized as the US should only take in a small number of high quality legal immigrants. The goal is to wash out conservative votes though so open borders.

[Nathan89]

The left owns education, mainstream media, Hollywood, etc. Plus they have anti-white dogma to manipulate the masses. Plus they have a big government agenda that wants dependents. It's not difficult to see why they support any 85iq moron coming to America.

[Winehole23]

85 IQ?

Maybe they could give you some lessons, Nathan89.

[daboom1]

Ordered by the white house. Hopefully the border patrol guys go on strike and tell those assholes in DC to come down themselves and fix the mess they created.

The audacity to not enforce immigration laws, but tell others how to enforce the law is unbelievable.

[daboom1]

Mafia

[ChumpDumper]

Leftists think I'm supposed to be silent as they simultaneously preach white hatred and open borders. Nah.
:lol all you do and all you're ever going to do is bitch.

You will never do one thing about any of this.

You don't even vote.

[ChumpDumper]

The audacity to not enforce immigration laws, but tell others how to enforce the law is unbelievable.


MafiaLike Trump's employment practices.:tu

[Spurtacular]

The audacity to not enforce immigration laws, but tell others how to enforce the law is unbelievable.


Mafia

[spurraider21]

Leftists think I'm supposed to be silent as they simultaneously preach white hatred and open borders. Nah.
oh look, nathan making everything about race

immigration? THREAT TO THE WHTE MAN

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1441085482524299267?s=19

:tu

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1441077089751293960?s=20

Wow, good to see competence back in command again...

[DarrinS]

Wow, good to see competence back in command again...

Adults in charge and what not

And no mean tweets

[Nathan89]

Most leftists are completely unaware that they only support open borders because they benefit from it. At the same time their tribe has convinced them they are morally superior to the "racists" that oppose it.

[Nathan89]

oh look, nathan making everything about race

immigration? THREAT TO THE WHTE MAN

I brought up leftist ideology.

[spurraider21]

I brought up leftist ideology.
no. you brought up your race war narrative which you try to project

left: lets bring in more immigrants
nathan projection: why do they hate white people?

[SnakeBoy]

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[Nathan89]

no. you brought up your race war narrative which you try to project

left: lets bring in more immigrants
nathan projection: why do they hate white people?

No I brought up leftist ideology. The same ideology that pushed them to give out covid funds based on skin color.

Left: let's bring in more voters
Nathan: they are bringing in voters to wash out conservative votes.

[spurraider21]

No I brought up leftist ideology. The same ideology that pushed them to give out covid funds based on skin color.

Left: let's bring in more voters
Nathan: they are bringing in voters to wash out conservative votes.
no reason those people wont vote conservative. just have to not run campaigns based on shitting on those people

but you dont even make it about voters, or dems vs repubs. you make it seem like an extermination of white people

[Nathan89]

Democrats literally celebrate "browning" demographic changes. They also support open borders. They also have a white hating ideology to manipulate the masses. They also have control of information in media, education, Hollywood, big tech, etc.

This isn't complicated. All they care about is power. They've brainwashed their base into believing opposition is racist and therefore their base is moral. Imagine patting yourself on the back for supporting shit that benefits yourself.

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1441192405802254336?s=19

[CosmicCowboy]

Democrats literally celebrate "browning" demographic changes. They also support open borders. They also have a white hating ideology to manipulate the masses. They also have control of information in media, education, Hollywood, big tech, etc.

This isn't complicated. All they care about is power. They've brainwashed their base into believing opposition is racist and therefore their base is moral. Imagine patting yourself on the back for supporting shit that benefits yourself.

Both sides politicians suck and are only in it for their own power and benefit.

[pgardn]

Adults in charge and what not

And no mean tweets

Donald the Orange's preferred method of conversing with the American people was merely, mean?
Oh. Did someone try to get him to put his cellphone down?

[DarrinS]

Donald the Orange's preferred method of conversing with the American people was merely, mean?
Oh. Did someone try to get him to put his cellphone down?

He didn't roll out a welcome mat and yank it away like Lucy with the football.

Joe president

[daboom1]

Donald the Orange's preferred method of conversing with the American people was merely, mean?
Oh. Did someone try to get him to put his cellphone down?

Remember that time he used two hands to drink water? It was big news.

[DarrinS]

Remember that time he used two hands to drink water? It was big news.

Remember when he couldn't walk down a ramp?

Then Joe bested him by falling down three times boarding AF1. :lol

[pgardn]

Remember that time he used two hands to drink water? It was big news.

No.
I dont remember.

[pgardn]

He didn't roll out a welcome mat and yank it away like Lucy with the football.

Joe president

Yeah.
He never got any sort of notoriety from firing people just cause.

[DarrinS]

Yeah.
He never got any sort of notoriety from firing people just cause.

Two scoops of ice cream. That was a news story.

[pgardn]

Two scoops of ice cream. That was a news story.


I did not get that news. Have no idea what its about.
Was that the National Enquirer?
I know Trumpsters as well as the president himself are big fans of that fine bastion of information.

[DarrinS]

I did not get that news. Have no idea what its about.
Was that the National Enquirer?
I know Trumpsters as well as the president himself are big fans of that fine bastion of information.

Google

[pgardn]

Google

No thanks.

[daboom1]

No.
I dont remember.

yeah right :jack

[pgardn]

yeah right :jack

Chris Christian doing God's work by proclaiming me a liar.
I dont Chris Christian. put it up.

[MultiTroll]

Mexican police now deploying near the Rio Grande.

Altho not clear yet what the cartel has ordered them to do.

and:
At least 19,000 more Haitians are stranded near the Colombia-Panama border waiting to continue their journey through the lawless Darien jungle.

[ElNono]

Adults in charge and what not

:tu


And no mean tweets

mean is an understatement... more like I've got up at 3AM to let the world know I'm a mentally fragile individual...

[ElNono]

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Hilarious coming from people that want to get out of the USA

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1441192405802254336?s=19

So he didn't do shit but talk, while Old Joe was wippin' em into planes and sending them back home :tu

[ElNono]

Remember when he couldn't walk down a ramp?

Then Joe bested him by falling down three times boarding AF1. :lol

:tu

[Nathan89]

Leftists argue for ubi and open borders at the same time. These people are laughable.

[ElNono]

slow down Nadolph, you're gonna run out of tears...

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Do the Haitians you have seen all look very healthy? I'm just saying for some who have been allegedly fleeing nothing in Haiti and camping out exactly where from Haiti to Texas?
And have cash for the store.

How the hell did they get here? Someone highly organized this.blue team twitter is pointing the finger at Jair Bolsonaro and Jason Miller.

[boutons_deux]

Many of these Haitians did not come from Haiti recently but earlier had already immigrated to MX and central America.

Apparently, somebody, probably coyotes looking for fees, told them border was open.

Maybe even Repugs and their allies spread the lie to dump a huge problem on Biden and blame him for it

[ChumpDumper]

Remember that time he used two hands to drink water? It was big news.Tan suit.


Two scoops of ice cream. That was a news story.Dijon mustard.

[daboom1]

beep

boop

[Thread]

Many of these Haitians did not come from Haiti recently but earlier had already immigrated to MX and central America.

Apparently, somebody, probably coyotes looking for fees, told them border was open.

Maybe even Repugs and their allies spread the lie to dump a huge problem on Biden and blame him for it

...& that mother fucker deserves it.

[boutons_deux]

Tan suit.

Dijon mustard.

crotch salute

[Winehole23]

that was fast


After several days of living in squalid conditions under the Del Rio International Bridge, the last remaining migrants departed a makeshift camp there just before noon local time on Friday.https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/24/us/del-rio-texas-border-camp-cleared/index.html

[ChumpDumper]

that was fast

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/24/us/del-rio-texas-border-camp-cleared/index.htmlONGOING CRISIS!

[CosmicCowboy]

that was fast

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/24/us/del-rio-texas-border-camp-cleared/index.html

Yep. Just opened the door, bussed em out of there and all over the country with a pinkie promise to show back up for their deportation hearing in a couple of years *wink, wink*

You should be proud.

[spurraider21]

Democrats literally celebrate "browning" demographic changes. They also support open borders. They also have a white hating ideology to manipulate the masses. They also have control of information in media, education, Hollywood, big tech, etc.

This isn't complicated. All they care about is power. They've brainwashed their base into believing opposition is racist and therefore their base is moral. Imagine patting yourself on the back for supporting shit that benefits yourself.
Oh look Nathan making everything about race

[spurraider21]

Both sides politicians suck and are only in it for their own power and benefit.
:lmao nathan rambles about the preservation of the white race and your response to that is that politicians on both side are bad?

[Nathan89]

Oh look Nathan making everything about race

There is a bunch of non race related information in that singular post.

[Nathan89]

Imagine thinking that someone pointing out what the left does is them making "everything about race". I guess that's one way to protect your cult but it's not going to change my comments.

[ElNono]

Democrats literally celebrate "browning" demographic changes. They also support open borders. They also have a white hating ideology to manipulate the masses


Imagine thinking that someone pointing out what the left does is them making "everything about race".

:lol

[daboom1]

Imagine thinking that someone pointing out what the left does is them making "everything about race". I guess that's one way to protect your cult but it's not going to change my comments.

gotheem

[Winehole23]

Yep. Just opened the door, bussed em out of there and all over the country with a pinkie promise to show back up for their deportation hearing in a couple of years *wink, wink*

You should be proud.what pinkie promise?

[spurraider21]

Imagine thinking that someone pointing out what the left does is them making "everything about race". I guess that's one way to protect your cult but it's not going to change my comments.
Left: immigrants are fine
nathan: oh so you want to eradicate white people? Stop making everting about race

[Winehole23]

continuity


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAE8I0LXMAEqroW?format=jpg&name=large

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1441871658675949571?s=19

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1441871658675949571?s=19

:tu

[Winehole23]

it's hardly like Joe Biden set out the welcome mat -- the consistent message been "don't come", increased detention and historically high Title 42 expulsions.

the Olympics ended and Chile let them in but wouldn't let them stay, simple as that, pretty much.



More than 15,000 Haitians were counted at the Panama-Colombia border in August, up from 5,293 in June and just 623 in January. Those numbers don’t include many of their children, who were born in Chile and Brazil and are citizens of those countries.


No one expects the Haitians to turn back, despite President Biden’s attempt to send a message of deterrence by deporting some of those who reached the U.S.-Mexico border to the Caribbean island and expelling others to southern Mexico.


“It’s going to be a hot mess, to put it lightly,” said Caitlyn Yates, a Ph.D. student at the University of British Columbia who has studied Caribbean migration in Central America. “We are talking about at least 20,000 Haitians making their way right now through Central America.” https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvn7x/thousands-more-haitians-going-toward-us-mexico-border

[Spurs Homer]

lol

chris wallace, who some here said was an actual nonpartisan reporter

clutching his pearls while interviewing Mayorkas and going after him like a pit bull…even though he said zero about the border during the entire trump term


and then softballing the shit out of the gubna hotwheels interview

just another fox news team player

[Winehole23]

even more Haitians on the way

https://www.axios.com/haiti-border-surge-f1619547-0623-4133-a228-ea450cb529c5.html

[Winehole23]

there's more similarity between Biden and Trump than either side likes to admit

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[Dirks_Finale]

lol

chris wallace, who some here said was an actual nonpartisan reporter

clutching his pearls while interviewing Mayorkas and going after him like a pit bull…even though he said zero about the border during the entire trump term


and then softballing the shit out of the gubna hotwheels interview

just another fox news team player

That's because Trump's border was much more secure. But he did attack Trump on covid and other weak spots. Wallace is a registered Democrat who happens to work for Fox.

[Winehole23]

lol Trump's border was not more secure

There have been more expulsions and more detentions under Biden.

Presidents don't control the international flow of migrants, btw.

[Winehole23]

the new boss is even tougher than the old boss, tbh

more deportations, more detainees

similar was true of Obama.


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[Winehole23]

this is a shift

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[Dirks_Finale]

lol Trump's border was not more secure

There have been more expulsions and more detentions under Biden.

Presidents don't control the international flow of migrants, btw.

Lesss people came when Trump was POTUS because they knew they couldn't just walk across.

[Winehole23]

Lesss people came when Trump was POTUS because they knew they couldn't just walk across.Piffle, of course they could just walk across.

If they hadn't, there would have been no one for Trump to detain or deport.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA5aDi7XEAMNMXx?format=jpg&name=small

[ChumpDumper]

That's because Trump's border was much more secure.:lmao

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

more continuity with Trump

so much for open borders


Biden administration says it’s ready to restore “remain in Mexico” policy along border next month (https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/15/remain-in-mexico-migrant-protocols-biden-border/)
Biden administration says it’s ready to restore “remain in Mexico” policy along border next month

[Thread]

more continuity with Trump

so much for open borders


Biden administration says it’s ready to restore “remain in Mexico” policy along border next month (https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/15/remain-in-mexico-migrant-protocols-biden-border/)
Biden administration says it’s ready to restore “remain in Mexico” policy along border next month

...it's a ruse, a faint. That's how Hussein ran his reign..."tell 'em one thing, then wait 48 hours and then tell them the opposite. We'll have half the assholes believing devoutly one way and the other half of the assholes devoutly believing in the other way....uh,,,,,,black is beautiful."

[Winehole23]

The new boss is very similar to the old boss, only more aggressive on enforcement and even more reliant on Title 42 removals.


BIDEN’S PICK TO LEAD CBP SUPPORTS TWO OF TRUMP’S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BORDER INITIATIVES (https://theintercept.com/2021/10/19/biden-cbp-chris-magnus-trump-border/)



In a confirmation hearing, Tucson Police Chief Chris Magnus signaled support for Title 42 and border wall construction

.

[Winehole23]

Record high migrant detentions at US-Mexico border (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59019791)

[ElNono]

Record high migrant detentions at US-Mexico border (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59019791)

BuT ThAt CrIsIs At ThE BoRdEr!1!1111

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1451634827564916746?t

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1451634827564916746?t

:tu Brandon

[ChumpDumper]

What's he supposed to do? Sit in a DPS gunboat with Ted Cruz and mean mug Mexico?

[BackHome]

He needs to do something he has given the wold an open invitation to come to America illegally and hundreds of thousands of people are taking him up on the offer. I have friends in Panama and Colombia and they are all pissed because there countries are not being invaded from people from South America but also many more from South Africa, Haiti, and Middle East in the thousands . This has never happened in the magnitude it is happening right now. The cost of housing all these people is in Millions a day and they are thousands of children who are not being reunited with there parents. It simply can not continue - Fuck even Obama recently said that

[Winehole23]

lol open invitation

MAGAs sure like to make shit up

[Ef-man]

He needs to do something he has given the wold an open invitation to come to America illegally and hundreds of thousands of people are taking him up on the offer. I have friends in Panama and Colombia and they are all pissed because there countries are not being invaded from people from South America but also many more from South Africa, Haiti, and Middle East in the thousands . This has never happened in the magnitude it is happening right now. The cost of housing all these people is in Millions a day and they are thousands of children who are not being reunited with there parents. It simply can not continue - Fuck even Obama recently said that

That you ducks?

Great use of punctuation! Much better!
:tu

[SnakeBoy]

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Hopefully most are pregnant and Biden places them strategically to help us with the senate in 18 years.

[rmt]

Hopefully most are pregnant and Biden places them strategically to help us with the senate in 18 years.

Is this a joke?

[baseline bum]

Is this a joke?

Fuck off WC

[rmt]

Fuck off WC

I question your judgement if you really think I'm someone else.

[ElNono]

I thought we were only taking Afghans right now, tbh

[baseline bum]

I question your judgement if you really think I'm someone else.

Impossible to keep straight who you are dumbass. One minute you're a black Jamaican, next a Chinese immigrant who can't speak Chinese, then you're an antivaxxer spouting bullshit about your retard kid getting autism from vaccination, next minute you're pro vax and anti mandate. Why couldn't you just stick to your original retarded stalker from Oregon shtick?

[ChumpDumper]

Why don't we teach these people to drive our semis?

[ducks]

Why not teach the people here legally
Gee that might be smart

[CosmicCowboy]

Why not teach the people here legally
Gee that might be smart

At least teach them to stay the fuck out of the fast lane.

[DMC]

Hopefully most are pregnant and Biden places them strategically to help us with the senate in 18 years.

https://www.prb.org/wp-content/uploads/2000/10/a-POL_whovotes1-1.gif

You got your work cut out for you. You'll need more pregnant immigrants but the senate might be yours either way in 18 years

I know that's an outdated chart but if it's any indication they aren't coming here to swing the election, then it's still true.

[ElNono]

You got your work cut out for you. You'll need more pregnant immigrants but the senate might be yours either way in 18 years

I know that's an outdated chart but if it's any indication they aren't coming here to swing the election, then it's still true.

Latinos have always been lazy to vote, tbh... speaking from experience...

[DMC]

Latinos have always been lazy to vote, tbh... speaking from experience...

I think they are trying to survive. Voting is for people with food and a pantry to put it in. Unfortunately it's a self defeating principle.

[benefactor]

Impossible to keep straight who you are dumbass. One minute you're a black Jamaican, next a Chinese immigrant who can't speak Chinese, then you're an antivaxxer spouting bullshit about your retard kid getting autism from vaccination, next minute you're pro vax and anti mandate. Why couldn't you just stick to your original retarded stalker from Oregon shtick?
https://media.giphy.com/media/jljr0F5XjdXOUs4N8m/giphy.gif

[ElNono]

I think they are trying to survive. Voting is for people with food and a pantry to put it in. Unfortunately it's a self defeating principle.

It's just that generally we don't need a lot, we adapt fairly well, and we come from countries with terrible governments, tbh...

I have a great life now, and worked hard for it, but if I had to scale down I probably wouldn't suffer greatly for it. It would suck, but it probably still be better than at other points in my lifetime.

[rmt]

Impossible to keep straight who you are dumbass. One minute you're a black Jamaican, next a Chinese immigrant who can't speak Chinese, then you're an antivaxxer spouting bullshit about your retard kid getting autism from vaccination, next minute you're pro vax and anti mandate. Why couldn't you just stick to your original retarded stalker from Oregon shtick?

I beg to differ. It's you who can't keep what I post straight - you hear what you want to - not what I post.

[Winehole23]

Administrative detainees aren't convicts, so they don't fall under the 13th Amendment slavery loophole.

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[boutons_deux]

Biden admin again tries to end Remain in Mexico policy, citing 'endemic flaws' and 'human costs'

reissuing a new memorandum (https://www.dhs.gov/publication/migrant-protection-protocols-termination-memo) with a more detailed explanation into the Biden administration’s reasoning. Notably, the new memo

acknowledges violent attacks against asylum-seekers forced to wait in Mexico,

Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), “had endemic flaws” and “imposed unjustifiable human costs,”

noting the policy “not only undercuts the administration’s ability to implement critically needed and foundational changes to the immigration system,

it fails to provide the fair process and humanitarian protections that individuals deserve under the law.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2061482

Those people are mostly escaping countries that USA has fucked up for 100+ years.

[Winehole23]

tuff immigration policy might have economic and social downsides -- such as a declining working age population and labor shortages.

Flipside, laxer immigration could be concretely beneficial.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEA64eCXwAUhVZG?format=jpg&name=medium

[Winehole23]

Another US citizen wrongfully detained. Makes you wonder how many cases like this end up deported.

1462923598201511943

[Winehole23]

"Joe Biden set out the welcome mat for these people"


On Oct. 1, a recorded 22,129 immigrants were in ICE detention centers, a 56% increase since Biden took office, according to statistics compiled by Syracuse University’s Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, also known as TRAC. Overall, 75% of ICE detainees have no criminal record — ICE classifies a person as a convicted criminal even if the crime is as innocuous as not keeping a dog on a leash, according to TRAC’s analysis.

At the start of the coronavirus pandemic in March 2020, the number of people in ICE detention was 38,000, according to TRAC’s analysis. Just before Biden took office in January 2021, the number of detainees decreased to as low as 15,000 — a 60% drop. That downward trend continued for the first month of the Biden administration before the number of ICE detainees started to rise.

“We did have hope for the Biden administration that they would at least very significantly limit or lessen the use of immigration detention,” said Reyna’s lawyer, Kathrine Russell. “Unfortunately, that does not seem to have happened whatsoever.”https://www.texastribune.org/2021/12/02/joe-biden-ice-immigration-detention/

[Winehole23]

Last month, investigators with the Texas Rangers and the Texas Attorney General’s Office raided four Real County Sheriff’s Office locations as part of an investigation into Sheriff Nathan Johnson, according to search warrants (https://static.texastribune.org/media/files/f5f8d788c849b77381205c9ec1997416/WARRANT_21-12-07__146_US_83_LEAKEY_TEXAS_78873_Redacted.pdf) obtained this week by The Texas Tribune. The investigating Texas Ranger said Johnson admitted to regularly seizing money from undocumented immigrants during traffic stops, even if they were not accused of any state crime, before handing them over to United States Border Patrol agents.


One sheriff's deputy told investigators that “seizing currency from undocumented immigrants and the driver has been standard operating procedure for as long as he has been employed by the Real County Sheriff’s Office,” Texas Ranger Ricardo Guajardo wrote in the warrant requests.https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/10/real-county-sheriff-investigation/

[Winehole23]

This is a horrible result socially and economically, tbh.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIyraKdXsAAXSDZ?format=jpg&name=large

[Winehole23]

Immigration to the US is currently at an eleven year low.


The obsession over the border apprehension data led politicians and journalists to completely miss the fact that overall immigration cratered during Biden’s first year in office.https://theintercept.com/2022/01/22/immigration-crisis-biden-conservative-media/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ0P0gPX0AE0Cj-?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

So much for open borders.

Brandon has been much tougher than orange guy, tbh. Looks like the public-private boondoggle got bigger too.


Just the day before the expo opened, the Biden administration put out its fiscal year 2023 budget, which proposed $97.3 billion for the DHS, that agency’s largest in its two-decade history. The Customs and Border Protection part of that, $17.5 billion, would similarly be the most money that agency has ever received, nearly $1.5 billion more than last year. Although Immigration and Customs Enforcement received just a marginal increase, it will still get $8.5 billion. Combine just those two and that $26 billion would be the highest sum ever dedicated to border and immigration enforcement, significantly more than the $20 billion that the Trump administration started out with in 2017. As DHS secretary Alejandro Mayorkas put it, such a budget will help secure our “values.” https://tomdispatch.com/the-border-industrial-complex-in-the-biden-era/

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSFukfMVEAAPsYi?format=jpg&name=small

[CosmicCowboy]

Whinehole, we all get that you have no problem with 2 million undocumented economic migrants per month pouring over our border. Its an unprecedented wave of illegal immigration no matter what bar charts you find on the internet.

[CosmicCowboy]

Its pure bullshit that we can "solve" the reason these people want to come to the US. Those shitholes are gonna be shitholes because that's how the people in power down there want it. Any money we throw at the "problem" will just get vacuumed up by the same corrupt officials running it now.

[baseline bum]

Whinehole, we all get that you have no problem with 2 million undocumented economic migrants per month pouring over our border. Its an unprecedented wave of illegal immigration no matter what bar charts you find on the internet.

You think Republicans have any problem with mojados coming across the border and depressing wages? If they did they'd put people in jail for hiring them. GOP policy is just racism by attacking the brown people crossing the border but not the white people who make money off their labor once they're here.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Its pure bullshit that we can "solve" the reason these people want to come to the US. Those shitholes are gonna be shitholes because that's how the people in power down there want it. Any money we throw at the "problem" will just get vacuumed up by the same corrupt officials running it now.

Invade Mexico?

[DMC]

So much for open borders.

Brandon has been much tougher than orange guy, tbh. Looks like the public-private boondoggle got bigger too.

https://tomdispatch.com/the-border-industrial-complex-in-the-biden-era/
This from the same confirmation bias Googler who challenged the notion that the Afghanistan withdrawal was botched. Why don't you first form your opinion then set out to prove it? Oh wait, nm, I see you already got the memo.

[CosmicCowboy]

No wonder Biden wanted to increase funding.

On January 20th, 2021, the very day President Joe Biden took the oath of office, Endeavors put out a news release announcing the hiring of Andrew Lorenzen-Strait, a former Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) official who also served as a Biden transition advisor on Homeland Security issues.

Less than two months after Lorenzen-Strait's arrival, federal records show endeavors entered into a no-bid contract with the Department of Health and Human Services for up to $579 million and another no-bid with Homeland Security for $87 million.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-inspector-general-probing-huge-no-bid-government-contract-connected-to-former-biden-official

[boutons_deux]

Abbutt, in campaign mode, diverted $500M Fed covid funds to finance his border industrial complex to pander to his xenophobic voters

[Blake]

Whinehole, we all get that you have no problem with 2 million undocumented economic migrants per month pouring over our border. Its an unprecedented wave of illegal immigration no matter what bar charts you find on the internet.

Nobody is fine with undocumented migrants coming in. You're missing the point. Again.

[Blake]

This from the same confirmation bias Googler who challenged the notion that the Afghanistan withdrawal was botched. Why don't you first form your opinion then set out to prove it? Oh wait, nm, I see you already got the memo.

Oh look more nothingness

[CosmicCowboy]

Nobody is fine with undocumented migrants coming in. You're missing the point. Again.

so those 2 million a month pouring over the border are all documented?

[Blake]

so those 2 million a month pouring over the border are all documented?

Do you need help with getting the point? Just say so

[ducks]

Landlines work
Tell Harris to hold a press conf. In two weeks usa will have landlines on boarder. Might kill a few people but that many die in the heat now and it would stop the issue

[ducks]

Invade Mexico?

Why invade Mexico make them keep the people wanting to come in USA over there. You enter the USA soil illegally you sue. It would stop the crime

[Ef-man]

Landlines work
Tell Harris to hold a press conf. In two weeks usa will have landlines on boarder. Might kill a few people but that many die in the heat now and it would stop the issue

Did I miss something about cellular service being down somewhere in US?

[boutons_deux]

Border officials have been undercounting migrant deaths along the border, GAO says (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/5/2096034/-Border-Patrol-has-not-been-counting-all-migrants-who-ve-died-along-the-border-watchdog-says)

Border Patrol agents have not been counting the total number of migrants who’ve died attempting to cross the harsh southern borderlands

Some immigrant rights advocates have estimated (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/23/1709098/-Lifesaving-Border-Angels-leave-jugs-of-water-for-migrants-along-the-US-Mexico-border) that as many

as 10,000 migrants have died from exposure

and other elements within the last two decades,

a number significantly higher than what border officials have stated (https://rewirenewsgroup.com/article/2016/12/14/family-members-seek-answers-missing-loved-ones-border-patrol/).

The watchdog report confirms the fears of many: they just haven’t been counting them.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/5/2096034/-Border-Patrol-has-not-been-counting-all-migrants-who-ve-died-along-the-border-watchdog-says

And of course border agents have been murdering migrants by emptying bottled water left for migrants by humanitarians.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why invade Mexico make them keep the people wanting to come in USA over there. You enter the USA soil illegally you sue. It would stop the crime

a) it was a joke.
b) english please.

[ducks]

Border officials have been undercounting migrant deaths along the border, GAO says (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/5/2096034/-Border-Patrol-has-not-been-counting-all-migrants-who-ve-died-along-the-border-watchdog-says)

Border Patrol agents have not been counting the total number of migrants who’ve died attempting to cross the harsh southern borderlands

Some immigrant rights advocates have estimated (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/23/1709098/-Lifesaving-Border-Angels-leave-jugs-of-water-for-migrants-along-the-US-Mexico-border) that as many

as 10,000 migrants have died from exposure

and other elements within the last two decades,

a number significantly higher than what border officials have stated (https://rewirenewsgroup.com/article/2016/12/14/family-members-seek-answers-missing-loved-ones-border-patrol/).

The watchdog report confirms the fears of many: they just haven’t been counting them.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/5/2096034/-Border-Patrol-has-not-been-counting-all-migrants-who-ve-died-along-the-border-watchdog-says

And of course border agents have been murdering migrants by emptying bottled water left for migrants by humanitarians.





You know the ones bringing them over lie to them saying they are watering holes and not
And they know they are breaking the law going into someone else’s property without permission .
You pay by DEATH

[DMC]

Oh look more nothingness

At least you moved on from "that's rich". I guess I did you a favor on that one. Keep it up, you might develop a serviceable vocabulary.

[ducks]

Its pure bullshit that we can "solve" the reason these people want to come to the US. Those shitholes are gonna be shitholes because that's how the people in power down there want it. Any money we throw at the "problem" will just get vacuumed up by the same corrupt officials running it now.
Duh
Never give those people one penny

[HemisfairArena]

great news,,,,

Migrant injuries and deaths increase at an alarming rate along Trump's border wall (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/migrant-injuries-and-deaths-increase-at-an-alarming-rate-along-trumps-border-wall-181637760.html)

[Winehole23]

Whinehole, we all get that you have no problem with 2 million undocumented economic migrants per month pouring over our border. Its an unprecedented wave of illegal immigration no matter what bar charts you find on the internet.The 2 million figute is for all of 2021, so for starters you're exaggerating and showing your bias. We'll see if it sustains as long as it did during the Reagan/Bush amnesty, it averaged well over a million a year for about 15 years, the current 15 year average is nowhere close.

The US needs more young blood and more workers period, I think more immigration -- legal or not -- is a net good. Economic migration is mostly circular, believe it or not net migration from Mexico in the last decade or so has been negative.

[DMC]

The 2 million figute is for all of 2021, so for starters you're exaggerating and showing your bias. We'll see if it sustains as long as it did during the Reagan/Bush amnesty, it averaged well over a million a year for about 15 years, the current 15 year average is nowhere close.

The US needs more young blood and more workers period, I think more immigration -- legal or not -- is a net good. Economic migration is mostly circular, believe it or not net migration from Mexico in the last decade or so has been negative.

I would agree the US needs more skilled labor however the "legal or not" bullshit is a nonstarter. I mean, unless you want to hire undocumented workers. How many do you employ?

[Winehole23]

This from the same confirmation bias Googler who challenged the notion that the Afghanistan withdrawal was botched. Why don't you first form your opinion then set out to prove it? Oh wait, nm, I see you already got the memo.You joined the media furore, let the newspapers and network TV tell you what to think about it. The Afghanistan withdrawal went fine, but I understand you permanent war dead enders are too indoctrinated to ever say otherwise.

[DMC]

You joined the media furore, let the newspapers and network TV tell you what to think about it. The Afghanistan withdrawal went fine, but I understand you permanent war dead enders are too indoctrinated to ever say otherwise.

Ah you were there. I thought I saw you falling from that plane, while the chaotic exit and 13 dead Marines were obviously well scripted. I mean, I'm wondering what source of information you relied on to come to your conclusion.

The Economist ...

If the propagandists of the Taliban had scripted the collapse of America’s 20-year mission to reshape Afghanistan, they could not have come up with more harrowing images. As insurgents swept into Kabul, desperate Afghans, terrified about what the victorious zealots might do, chased departing American cargo planes down the runway, trying to clamber into the landing gear and inevitably falling to their deaths. The American-backed government had surrendered without a fight—something that American officials were insisting would not happen only days before. Afghans were left in such a horrifying bind that clinging to the wheels of a hurtling aircraft seemed their best option.

America has spent $2trn in Afghanistan; more than 2,000 American lives have been lost, not to mention countless Afghan ones. And yet, even if Afghans are more prosperous now than when America invaded, Afghanistan is back to square one. The Taliban control more of the country than they did when they lost power, they are better armed, having seized the weapons America showered on the Afghan army, and they have now won the ultimate affirmation: defeating a superpower.


...

Are you really this fucking hard up for a w?

[Winehole23]

Ah you were there. I thought I saw you falling from that plane, while the chaotic exit and 13 dead Marines were obviously well scripted.

The Economist ...

If the propagandists of the Taliban had scripted the collapse of America’s 20-year mission to reshape Afghanistan, they could not have come up with more harrowing images. As insurgents swept into Kabul, desperate Afghans, terrified about what the victorious zealots might do, chased departing American cargo planes down the runway, trying to clamber into the landing gear and inevitably falling to their deaths. The American-backed government had surrendered without a fight—something that American officials were insisting would not happen only days before. Afghans were left in such a horrifying bind that clinging to the wheels of a hurtling aircraft seemed their best option.

America has spent $2trn in Afghanistan; more than 2,000 American lives have been lost, not to mention countless Afghan ones. And yet, even if Afghans are more prosperous now than when America invaded, Afghanistan is back to square one. The Taliban control more of the country than they did when they lost power, they are better armed, having seized the weapons America showered on the Afghan army, and they have now won the ultimate affirmation: defeating a superpower.


...

Are you really this fucking hard up for a w?No win claimed, I just know exaggeration and bias when I see it.

Trump did the surrender deal with the Taliban and created the conditions on the ground advantageous to his chosen counterparty. Biden probably did about as well as could be expected after 20 years of debacle and failure,Trump's deal and his drawdown kind of handcuffed him, possibly by design.

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL blaming Trump. *shaking head*

Typical Whinehole.

[Winehole23]

LOL blaming Trump. *shaking head*

Typical Whinehole.Both bear responsibility, but y'all are just parroting the media feeding frenzy. Biden got us out of a failed nation building effort. Not sure how more air cover would have saved those Marines.

[CosmicCowboy]

Both bear responsibility, but y'all are just parroting the media feeding frenzy. Biden got us out of a failed nation building effort. Not sure how more air cover would have saved those Marines.

Thanks for admitting Bidens administration (I'm really not blaming Biden, he is just a senile puppet) shared responsibility for the bungled withdrawal. Your strawman that it was only about the dead marines is telling, completely ignoring the betrayal of thousands of loyal afghans we promised to get out and left to be purged by the taliban. And yes, air power and appropriate troop levels could have probably kept Kabul from falling and allowing an orderly withdrawal.

[Winehole23]

Thanks for admitting Bidens administration (I'm really not blaming Biden, he is just a senile puppet) shared responsibility for the bungled withdrawal. Your strawman that it was only about the dead marines is telling, completely ignoring the betrayal of thousands of loyal afghans we promised to get out and left to be purged by the taliban. And yes, air power and appropriate troop levels could have probably kept Kabul from falling and allowing an orderly withdrawal.Still shielding Trump from any accountability whatsoever, I see .

The withdrawal was reasonably orderly and expeditious as military operations go, and I kind of doubt the sincerity of your 11th hour pearl clutching about loyal Afghans who've been trying to emigrate for decades with no sympathy from your crew.

The so-called debacle around this is a narrative pushed by the war lobby with the eager assistance of the media and media parrots like you, whose caution would have kept us there for years and probably would have restarted the war

You can't pull out without pulling it, mission accomplished.

[Winehole23]

CC exagerrates, just looked at the the stat he posted on the previous page -- he was off by a factor of 12.

[DMC]

No win claimed, I just know exaggeration and bias when I see it.

Again, what standard are you using to say it was fine?


Trump did the surrender deal with the Taliban and created the conditions on the ground advantageous to his chosen counterparty. Biden probably did about as well as could be expected after 20 years of debacle and failure,Trump's deal and his drawdown kind of handcuffed him, possibly by design.
What source of information are you relying on that contradicts what almost all other sources report? Is the Economist biased against Biden?

[DMC]

Both bear responsibility, but y'all are just parroting the media feeding frenzy. Biden got us out of a failed nation building effort. Not sure how more air cover would have saved those Marines.

Responsibility for what? It went fine according to you.

[Winehole23]

Calling balls and strikes, there's no proof for opinions. You guys let yourselves get dragged by the media scrum

[Winehole23]

Kinda like you did when you kept saying cities were burned down. You were just mindlessly repeating what other right wingers were saying.

[Blake]

At least you moved on from "that's rich". I guess I did you a favor on that one. Keep it up, you might develop a serviceable vocabulary.

:lol that's rich.

[Winehole23]

illegal immigration has been a net plus for the Texas economy


1523687998499725312

[DMC]

illegal immigration has been a net plus for the Texas economy


1523687998499725312

So has illegal drug imports. I guess if it has an overall net gain financially it's a good thing.

[Blake]

So has illegal drug imports. I guess if it has an overall net gain financially it's a good thing.

Yeah, the war on drugs has needed to take a step wayyy back for a long time now.

[CosmicCowboy]

illegal immigration has been a net plus for the Texas economy


1523687998499725312

oh yeah, #txlege is a real impartial source :lmao

Apparently where whinehole gets his talking points for the day :lol

[Winehole23]

oh yeah, #txlege is a real impartial source :lmao

Apparently where whinehole gets his talking points for the day :lolwhat stats do you take issue with? Carole-Keeton Strayhorn did a state audit about 15 years ago that came to the same conclusion.

[Winehole23]

(Gotta love a poster who hides all his sources while holding a shield for Republicans and jeering at Democrats. That's his definition of a moderate centrist.)

[Winehole23]

what stats do you take issue with? Carole-Keeton Strayhorn did a state audit about 15 years ago that came to the same conclusion.FYI, the TPPF is a conservative public policy think tank.
.

https://files.texaspolicy.com/upload...as-Economy.pdf
https://static.texastribune.org/medi...s_in_Texas.pdf
https://www.texasmonthly.com/burka-b...troller-study/

[Winehole23]

Protip: you read the links, CC, you might even find a counterargument or two.

Such is the nature of my biased sources.

[DMC]

(Gotta love a poster who hides all his sources while holding a shield for Republicans and jeering at Democrats. That's his definition of a moderate centrist.)
:lol coming from someone who called all sources biased, and the withdrawal "fine", then refused to show their sources.

You cannot even make this shit up.

[Winehole23]

:lol coming from someone who called all sources biased, and the withdrawal "fine", then refused to show their sources.

You cannot even make this shit up.my source for my own opinion there is me, I never claimed to have others. you stand with the media chorus.

vive la difference.

(I hardly see how it could be otherwise, whether any given military operation is a failure or success is somewhat a matter of interpretation. The withdrawal from Afghanistan was of large scale and expeditious, and accompanied by minimal loss of life considering the very chaotic environment.)

[Isitjustme?]

Ah you were there. I thought I saw you falling from that plane, while the chaotic exit and 13 dead Marines were obviously well scripted. I mean, I'm wondering what source of information you relied on to come to your conclusion.

The Economist ...

If the propagandists of the Taliban had scripted the collapse of America’s 20-year mission to reshape Afghanistan, they could not have come up with more harrowing images. As insurgents swept into Kabul, desperate Afghans, terrified about what the victorious zealots might do, chased departing American cargo planes down the runway, trying to clamber into the landing gear and inevitably falling to their deaths. The American-backed government had surrendered without a fight—something that American officials were insisting would not happen only days before. Afghans were left in such a horrifying bind that clinging to the wheels of a hurtling aircraft seemed their best option.

America has spent $2trn in Afghanistan; more than 2,000 American lives have been lost, not to mention countless Afghan ones. And yet, even if Afghans are more prosperous now than when America invaded, Afghanistan is back to square one. The Taliban control more of the country than they did when they lost power, they are better armed, having seized the weapons America showered on the Afghan army, and they have now won the ultimate affirmation: defeating a superpower.


...

Are you really this fucking hard up for a w?

Republicans could have exited Afghanistan without any problems. They never for a second tried to leave but they could have done it better. If they tried. Which they never did

[DMC]

Republicans could have exited Afghanistan without any problems. They never for a second tried to leave but they could have done it better. If they tried. Which they never did

That's an aside. It does nothing to address the issue of the withdrawal being botched.

[DMC]

my source for my own opinion there is me, I never claimed to have others. you stand with the media chorus.

vive la difference.

(I hardly see how it could be otherwise, whether any given military operation is a failure or success is somewhat a matter of interpretation. The withdrawal from Afghanistan was of large scale and expeditious, and accompanied by minimal loss of life considering the very chaotic environment.)

If you weren't there, how can you possibly form an opinion on how well the withdrawal went?

[Winehole23]

If you weren't there, how can you possibly form an opinion on how well the withdrawal went?Same way you did, probably. Reading and evaluating. Were there a bunch of Americans left behind who didn't want to stay there?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you weren't there, how can you possibly form an opinion on how well the withdrawal went?

meanwhile you support textbook banning with zero idea of the issue or the specifics. frankly your comment just strike me as you having little imagination and a clear blank spot in your cognitive ability. we should abandon physics and chemistry. How can we possibly know?

[ducks]

$40 billion for Ukraine and can't protect our own border. Just another thing that shows what their priorities are. The corruption is outstanding

[clambake]

$40 billion for Ukraine and can't protect our own border. Just another thing that shows what their priorities are. The corruption is outstanding

Here it is again, exactly the same shit in another thread.

Just tell us what happened to ducks.

[Blake]

$40 billion for Ukraine and can't protect our own border. Just another thing that shows what their priorities are. The corruption is outstanding

How much was Trump's wall that didn't protect our border? Did anyone get prosecuted for corruption?

[HemisfairArena]

How much was Trump's wall that didn't protect our border? Did anyone get prosecuted for corruption?

Seems like it worked to me, numbnuts,,,

Migrant injuries and deaths increase at an alarming rate along Trump's border wall (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/migrant-injuries-and-deaths-increase-at-an-alarming-rate-along-trumps-border-wall-181637760.html?msclkid=26c30e64d0f611ecb3d85ac9124 6d97b)

just imagine if the wall was completed all along the border what the result would be,,,,you democrats love death like killing babies in the womb,,,this wall should be right up your alley,,,,

[ElNono]

Seems like it worked to me, numbnuts,,,

Migrant injuries and deaths increase at an alarming rate along Trump's border wall (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/migrant-injuries-and-deaths-increase-at-an-alarming-rate-along-trumps-border-wall-181637760.html?msclkid=26c30e64d0f611ecb3d85ac9124 6d97b)

just imagine if the wall was completed all along the border what the result would be,,,,you democrats love death like killing babies in the womb,,,this wall should be right up your alley,,,,

Not only the wall didn't deter/stop anybody, it's also sending illegals to our hospitals for treatment, where you're footing the bill....

Sounds like the all around stupid idea we all thought it was :tu

[HemisfairArena]

Not only the wall didn't deter/stop anybody, it's also sending illegals to our hospitals for treatment, where you're footing the bill....

Sounds like the all around stupid idea we all thought it was :tu

The all around stupid idea was electing Biden who im sure you voted for,,,you wanna go down that road, Nono? We can talk inflation, sinking stock market, international turmoil,,,,,just let me know,,,

[ElNono]

The all around stupid idea was electing Biden who im sure you voted for,,,you wanna go down that road, Nono? We can talk inflation, sinking stock market, international turmoil,,,,,just let me know,,,

Trump had to go. Your loser meltdown over it is just a plus :tu

[HemisfairArena]

Trump had to go. Your loser meltdown over it is just a plus :tu

Its all good,,,republicans will retake the house and senate and Trump will be back,,,,can you say the same for your democrats and Biden?,,,,

[ElNono]

Its all good,,,republicans will retake the house and senate and Trump will be back,,,,can you say the same for your democrats and Biden?,,,,

Cool story. Scoreboard: Old Joe 1 - Loser Trump: 0

[HemisfairArena]

Cool story. Scoreboard: Old Joe 1 - Loser Trump: 0

Trump 1,,Joe 1,,,,tied scored,,,lets see who wins in 2024,,,

[MultiTroll]

Cool story. Scoreboard: Old Joe 1 - Loser Trump: 0
Head to head it's Joe.

Delicious tears from MAGATard spinners.

[ElNono]

Head to head it's Joe.

Delicious tears from MAGATard spinners.

Exactly… not complicated…

[Blake]

Its all good,,,republicans will retake the house and senate and Trump will be back,,,,can you say the same for your democrats and Biden?,,,,

Lol you vote for Bible beaters

[DMC]

Same way you did, probably. Reading and evaluating. Were there a bunch of Americans left behind who didn't want to stay there?

What source did you read since they are all biased?

[DMC]

meanwhile you support textbook banning with zero idea of the issue or the specifics. frankly your comment just strike me as you having little imagination and a clear blank spot in your cognitive ability. we should abandon physics and chemistry. How can we possibly know?

I never said I supported it Mr "pick a team".

If all the news source that say the withdrawal was botched are biased and lying, the what source of information is WH using to say the withdrawal went fine?

:lol you don't even understand the discussion but you know everything
:lol ignorance + self assuredness = douchebag

[Blake]

What source did you read since they are all biased?

Oh well that would explain why you never source anything except the dictionary

[Winehole23]

What source did you read since they are all biased?same ones you did, probably. it's not no surprise you let the sources do the evaluation for you. thinking is hard.

[Isitjustme?]

That's an aside. It does nothing to address the issue of the withdrawal being botched.

Compared to the imaginary perfect withdrawal in your head where there were not a single terrorist disguised as civilians in an army of thousands of civilians crowded together than, yeah.

[HemisfairArena]

Not only the wall didn't deter/stop anybody, it's also sending illegals to our hospitals for treatment, where you're footing the bill....

Sounds like the all around stupid idea we all thought it was :tu

Nono, do you ever know whats going on?,,,,you are paying the bill for those illegals that went to the hospital in San Diego,,,,you and your fellow democrats in Cali,,,,congrats. They take the money from state taxs to pay those hospital bills,,,,it doesnt affect me in the least here in Texas,,,,,enjoy it, bud,,,,

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I never said I supported it Mr "pick a team".

If all the news source that say the withdrawal was botched are biased and lying, the what source of information is WH using to say the withdrawal went fine?

:lol you don't even understand the discussion but you know everything
:lol ignorance + self assuredness = douchebag

Oh spare me. Your's was not some super topical rebuttal that I missed some nuance on.

Your argument was your usual "you weren't there so you don't know" nonsense. I was just pointing out that you are comfortable taking position on much less observational standing.

This is all you do now, D. You repeat whatever you want to believe along with few canned ad hominem like the above.

I know we've had discussions about direct versus indirect observation but here you are making the same unchanged argument. You're impossible to take seriously.

[ElNono]

Nono, do you ever know whats going on?,,,,you are paying the bill for those illegals that went to the hospital in San Diego,,,,you and your fellow democrats in Cali,,,,congrats. They take the money from state taxs to pay those hospital bills,,,,it doesnt affect me in the least here in Texas,,,,,enjoy it, bud,,,,

I do know what's going on, but you clearly have no idea. Here are the sources of funding for hospitals on uninsured patients:

https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/9685-Figure-1.png

https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/sources-of-payment-for-uncompensated-care-for-the-uninsured/

:lol Keep wishing you're not paying for it with your federal income taxes though, I'm sure that makes it all the better.

[HemisfairArena]

Nono, with bad info again,,,:lmao

The hospital bills can be paid for directly from the state tax. Most states have laws that allow the state treasury (https://www.bing.com/search?q=United+States+Secretary+of+the+Treasury&filters=sid%3a2690484a-07bf-da87-f00e-de4bc3b05a18&form=ENTLNK) to take state tax refunds to give to hospitals for debt.

While hospitals average 7% profit margins, uncompensated care costs can be more than 5% of revenue. Hospitals do get help with the unpaid bills – from taxpayers. The majority of hospitals are non-profits and are exempt from federal, state and local taxes if they provide a community benefit, such as charitable care.


Who pays when someone without insurance shows up in the ER? (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/03/who-pays-when-someone-without-insurance-shows-up-er/445756001/)

so you see, numbnuts,,,hospitals wont charge me a dime as a taxpayer but will charge state taxes for unpaid debt you incurred if you went to the ER or a hospital stay.

[ElNono]

Nono, with bad info again,,,:lmao

The hospital bills can be paid for directly from the state tax. Most states have laws that allow the state treasury (https://www.bing.com/search?q=United+States+Secretary+of+the+Treasury&filters=sid%3a2690484a-07bf-da87-f00e-de4bc3b05a18&form=ENTLNK) to take state tax refunds to give to hospitals for debt.

While hospitals average 7% profit margins, uncompensated care costs can be more than 5% of revenue. Hospitals do get help with the unpaid bills – from taxpayers. The majority of hospitals are non-profits and are exempt from federal, state and local taxes if they provide a community benefit, such as charitable care.


Who pays when someone without insurance shows up in the ER? (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/03/who-pays-when-someone-without-insurance-shows-up-er/445756001/)

so you see, numbnuts,,,hospitals wont charge me a dime as a taxpayer but will charge state taxes for unpaid debt you incurred if you went to the ER or a hospital stay.

Why did you cut the sentence there?

Hospitals do get help with the unpaid bills – from taxpayers.
The majority of hospitals are non-profits and are exempt from federal, state and local taxes if they provide a community benefit, such as charitable care. Hospitals also receive federal funding to offset some of the costs of treating the poor.

If you're going to outright lie, don't provide the link... what an idiot... lmao

So, yeah, you're on the hook, sorry. Keep wishing you're not though, I'm sure that makes it all better :lmao

[DMC]

Oh spare me. Your's was not some super topical rebuttal that I missed some nuance on.

Your argument was your usual "you weren't there so you don't know" nonsense. I was just pointing out that you are comfortable taking position on much less observational standing.

This is all you do now, D. You repeat whatever you want to believe along with few canned ad hominem like the above.

I know we've had discussions about direct versus indirect observation but here you are making the same unchanged argument. You're impossible to take seriously.

You were pointing out something that you were wrong about. I didn't support banning textbooks. I said so. I can argue a point without needing to enlist to support a movement.

If media sources are biased so that people who think the withdrawal was botched, then how can WH pulled "it was fine" from the same media sources? Still waiting on the answer to that. Do you need to use a lifeline?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You were pointing out something that you were wrong about. I didn't support banning textbooks. I said so. I can argue a point without needing to enlist to support a movement.

If media sources are biased so that people who think the withdrawal was botched, then how can WH pulled "it was fine" from the same media sources? Still waiting on the answer to that. Do you need to use a lifeline?

Of course you did. You just supported and made arguments to the opposite conclusion. I don't take you at face value, fattie, it is foolish to do so.

[DMC]

Of course you did. You just supported and made arguments to the opposite conclusion. I don't take you at face value, fattie, it is foolish to do so.

:lol misinformed self-centered asshole creates narrative as a recovery tool
:lol Same asshole pretends he doesn't care.

You've been trying to recover she she lost.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol misinformed self-centered asshole creates narrative as a recovery tool
:lol Same asshole pretends he doesn't care.

You've been trying to recover she she lost.

If you want me to post your arguments from the thread to support what I am saying I can. The rest is just weak ass deflection. Try harder or last word is yours. I've made my point I feel.

[Winehole23]

You were pointing out something that you were wrong about. I didn't support banning textbooks. I said so. I can argue a point without needing to enlist to support a movement.

If media sources are biased so that people who think the withdrawal was botched, then how can WH pulled "it was fine" from the same media sources? Still waiting on the answer to that. Do you need to use a lifeline?I didn't drink my dinner from the newspaper spoon but you did and that's your argument against me?

You're most welcome to it, tbh. I took the objective information and drew my own conclusion, you parroting the headline.

Viva la difference.

[DMC]

Fuzzy not clear on things, creates a narrative, claims he could support it if needed (all while not being prompted to even pipe up) and then claims he's proven his point.

Basic hubris101

[DMC]

I didn't drink my dinner from the newspaper spoon but you did and that's your argument against me?

You're most welcome to it, tbh. I took the objective information and drew my own conclusion, you parroting the headline.

Viva la difference.

You said you used the same news sources everyone else uses. Explain how you saw "it was fine" when others didn't. What Wild Cobra like "snap" happened in that gourd of yours to indicate the "botched" claims you were reading were bullshit and then how you were able to discern the withdrawal was fine. I've only challenged you with this obvious, next logical step half a dozen times and you've just floundered around trying to avoid admitting you just pulled that from your ass.

[ChumpDumper]

oh yeah, #txlege is a real impartial source :lmao

Apparently where whinehole gets his talking points for the day :lolThat's a hashtag, dude.

[Winehole23]

That's a hashtag, dude.b:lol:lolmers

[CosmicCowboy]

b:lol:lolmers

L:lol:lolzers

[Winehole23]

how lame

[Winehole23]

yep

more family separations and kids in cages

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[Winehole23]

You said you used the same news sources everyone else uses. Explain how you saw "it was fine" when others didn't. What Wild Cobra like "snap" happened in that gourd of yours to indicate the "botched" claims you were reading were bullshit and then how you were able to discern the withdrawal was fine. I've only challenged you with this obvious, next logical step half a dozen times and you've just floundered around trying to avoid admitting you just pulled that from your ass.The evacuation was of large scale and expeditious. I don't really see how it's Joe Biden's fault marines died. Can you fill in the causal links? 1,000 talking heads saying botched doesn't move the needle for me, that's editorial, not factual as far as I can tell.

Were a bunch of Americans left behind? Are you sore we didn't let more Afghans emigrate? What exactly is your gripe?

[Winehole23]

Way more noise was made by right wingers about the 13 marines that died at the end than the thousands killed and maimed during the last 20 years of failed nation building. The outrage seems not totally sincere.

[ducks]

DHS anticipates an average of 441 unaccompanied children per day at border this year, a new record

[ElNono]

DHS anticipates an average of 441 unaccompanied children per day at border this year, a new record

:tu

[boutons_deux]

The evacuation was of large scale and expeditious. I don't really see how it's Joe Biden's fault marines died. Can you fill in the causal links? 1,000 talking heads saying botched doesn't move the needle for me, that's editorial, not factual as far as I can tell.

Were a bunch of Americans left behind? Are you sore we didn't let more Afghans emigrate? What exactly is your gripe?

Repugs could impeach/convict Biden for the Afghan evacuation.

They don't really care what the "crime" was

because they could the votes to do whatever they want, esp in the House, Repug SCOTUS6 will not intervene.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Maybe the problem isn't too much immigration but too little.

[Isitjustme?]

DHS anticipates an average of 441 unaccompanied children per day at border this year, a new record

Lazy good for nothing immigrants contributing nothing and being a drain on our economy

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[TSA]

The evacuation was of large scale and expeditious. I don't really see how it's Joe Biden's fault marines died. Can you fill in the causal links? 1,000 talking heads saying botched doesn't move the needle for me, that's editorial, not factual as far as I can tell.

Were a bunch of Americans left behind? Are you sore we didn't let more Afghans emigrate? What exactly is your gripe?

https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Risch%20Afghanistan%20Report%202022.pdf

[CosmicCowboy]

https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Risch%20Afghanistan%20Report%202022.pdf

https://media0.giphy.com/media/lrf5jEbnpVUek/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e471x9s0bvr0ad7nnlfl8jgh5h5iklw nu98y5ns6yw6&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

:lol

[Winehole23]

https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Risch%20Afghanistan%20Report%202022.pdfin your own words?

[Winehole23]

Joe was the only one who had the stones to end it and he did. Mission accomplished, we're much better off for it. Whiners gonna whine.

[CosmicCowboy]

Joe was the only one who had the stones to end it and he did. Mission accomplished, we're much better off for it. Whiners gonna whine.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/ksuK89Wfh7h7l0tBAT/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e478odz9ypa74q8g78daoq8zeknwdlc mhc8thayz7go&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[ducks]

Lazy good for nothing immigrants contributing nothing and being a drain on our economy

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You believe New York Times

[ducks]

1546130765288726529

Nope drop the welfare
People must prove they need it
Not because they refuse to work

[baseline bum]

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Maybe the problem isn't too much immigration but too little.

There is no worker shortage. There is a willingness to pay market value shortage.

[Winehole23]

.

[Winehole23]

There is no worker shortage. There is a willingness to pay market value shortage.worker participation rate is down significantly due to COVID and retirement.

[CosmicCowboy]

Lazy good for nothing immigrants contributing nothing and being a drain on our economy

1546629910256619522

Now take the Orientals, Indians, and H1B's out of there and see what happens.

[DMC]

Joe was the only one who had the stones to end it and he did. Mission accomplished, we're much better off for it. Whiners gonna whine.

So Joe gets credit from you but not culpability from you. Win/win. Dead marines obviously not the responsibility of the commander in chief.

[baseline bum]

worker participation rate is down significantly due to COVID and retirement.

And pay

[Winehole23]

Now take the Orientals, Indians, and H1B's out of there and see what happens.You only wish

[CosmicCowboy]

You only wish

back atcha.

[Isitjustme?]

Now take the Orientals, Indians, and H1B's out of there and see what happens.

Well most Republicans are against H1B Visas so they would take them out of this country.

[ElNono]

https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Risch%20Afghanistan%20Report%202022.pdf


https://media0.giphy.com/media/lrf5jEbnpVUek/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e471x9s0bvr0ad7nnlfl8jgh5h5iklw nu98y5ns6yw6&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

:lol

Not sure what's to dunk on, that's the minority report... it's not like the GOP wouldn't have bitched regardless of how the evac went. Not to mention not a single paragraph there about all the senseless american lives lost under the GOP administrations.

The evac could've certainly gone better. At the same time, small price to pay to get out of that shithole...

[Winehole23]

Let's go Brandon!


Mexico will contribute $1.5 billion toward infrastructure at the southern border to improve processing and security, Fox News Digital has learned -- a commitment that comes as Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador visited the White House.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mexico-contribute-1-5-billion-infrastructure-us-southern-border

[ElNono]

Let's go Brandon!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mexico-contribute-1-5-billion-infrastructure-us-southern-border

Damn, Brandon making Mexico pay for det wall

[Winehole23]

Damn, Brandon making Mexico pay for det wallDark Brandon

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW9LqmQX0AMFZnk?format=jpg&name=900x900

[ChumpDumper]

Now take the Orientals, Indians, and H1B's out of there and see what happens.

What do rugs and furniture have to do with this?

[Winehole23]

Way more noise was made by right wingers about the 13 marines that died at the end than the thousands killed and maimed during the last 20 years of failed nation building. The outrage seems not totally sincere.Y'all didn't bitch at all about this. CC did at the end, then quailed when Brandon actually pulled out, like all you fake antiwar righties.

[Winehole23]

Brandon continues to stand tuff on immigration


Last month, the Supreme Court cleared the way for the Biden administration to unwind a Trump-era policy that has forced thousands of asylum seekers to wait in Mexico, often in dangerous settings, for their U.S. court proceedings.


But having previously moved quickly to end the “Remain in Mexico” policy, the administration has suddenly decided to take its time.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/26/biden-scotus-trump-immigration-mexico-00047838

[TSA]

Brandon continues to stand tuff on immigration

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/26/biden-scotus-trump-immigration-mexico-00047838

"Brandon continues to stand tuff on immigration"

Actual headline

Biden goes silent after SCOTUS gives him power to nix Trump immigration policy

:rollin

[Winehole23]

"Brandon continues to stand tuff on immigration"

Actual headline

Biden goes silent after SCOTUS gives him power to nix Trump immigration policy

:rollinhe's tougher than your boy Trump, no contest, really

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/SegravesNBC4/status/1552687570714345473
:rollin

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUf1NtiizA

[Winehole23]

lol official shitposting

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[Winehole23]

More deportations, more detentions.

Biden is tougher on immigration than Trump. Same was true of Obama.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_6HLMfVkAw4DwO?format=jpg&name=900x900


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkxoHPmUUAAguzD.jpg:large

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcd0q4lXgAAFMIv?format=jpg&name=900x900