Border Security

[Winehole23]

Demagoguing the border and demonizing immigration is holding Texas back economically.


Eddie Martin can’t build as many homes as he’d like in Texas because his contractors don’t have enough workers, particularly skilled tradespeople such as electricians, carpenters and plumbers.

This labor shortage, exacerbated by an aging workforce and growing number of retirements, means it’s more crucial than ever for the US to allow more legal immigrants (https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/22/economy/immigration-jobs/index.html) into the country to bolster the ranks of the construction industry, said Martin, CEO of Tilson Custom Home Builders in Austin.

“We’re losing business. There’s no doubt,” said Martin, whose wife’s family started the company in 1932. “So many of those skilled workers are aging out. There’s nobody replacing them.”
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/business/construction-industry-needs-immigrant-workers/index.html

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Demagoguing the border and demonizing immigration is holding Texas back economically.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/business/construction-industry-needs-immigrant-workers/index.html

You'll never turn it, son.

Ever, it's their religion.

[CosmicCowboy]

Whinehole apparently thinks those are all licensed electricians and plumbers walking across the border.

[clambake]

Whinehole apparently thinks those are all licensed electricians and plumbers walking across the border.

Are you saying trump hires only licensed illegals, or just illegals?

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Whinehole apparently thinks those are all licensed electricians and plumbers walking across the border.

CC

[FrostKing]

Shortage of Plumbers? Shoulda imported Polaks not Somalians.

House building is & always been European skillset. Mexicans master the landscaping for this geography.

I have younger cousin, same Polish hometown that's been doing roofing in Scandinavia.

> my Male cousins in their 20s want to immigrate to USA. Almost impossible. We are gone in June too.

[pgardn]

Shortage of Plumbers? Shoulda imported Polaks not Somalians.

House building is & always been European skillset. Mexicans master the landscaping for this geography.

I have younger cousin, same Polish hometown that's been doing roofing in Scandinavia.

> my Male cousins in their 20s want to immigrate to USA. Almost impossible. We are gone in June too.

Yeah Mexicans cant build houses.
Polaks need to starve themselves so we can import them.
Somalians need and needed to start eating. What is it with these starvation diets? The Palestinians are now with this fad.
I have a friend who does roofing for the cave-dwelling Mexican Freetail bat, lazy bastards...
The Icelandic people are horrible landscapers To add to that these people are always on about dwarves scaring them.

-Musings of a Frostbitten Mind

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Shortage of Plumbers? Shoulda imported Polaks not Somalians.

House building is & always been European skillset. Mexicans master the landscaping for this geography.

I have younger cousin, same Polish hometown that's been doing roofing in Scandinavia.

> my Male cousins in their 20s want to immigrate to USA. Almost impossible. We are gone in June too.

Yep, yep!!!

[Winehole23]

Whinehole apparently thinks those are all licensed electricians and plumbers walking across the border.On average, migrants to the US are better educated than US natives. Immigrants from Central Americans as a cohort are better educated than Texans.

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On average, migrants to the US are better educated than US natives. Immigrants from Central Americans as a cohort are better educated than Texans.

Well, at least your ass is lighter from whence you pulled that horseshit, Winester.

[MultiTroll]

On average, migrants to the US are better educated than US natives.
Based on?

[Winehole23]

Based on?A Pew study already posted upstream, I think.

[Winehole23]

Based on?Legal and illegal South Asian immigrants are wildly more educated than Americans.

[MultiTroll]

A Pew study already posted upstream, I think.
Sure, i'll start scrolling 130 pages now for the Pew study.

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A Pew study already posted upstream, I think.

And they ain't vested in the outcome? Please.

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Sure, i'll start scrolling 130 pages now for the Pew study.

And upon locating take it for what it is...GIGO.

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Based on?

...pie in the sky.

[Winehole23]

Sure, i'll start scrolling 130 pages now for the Pew study.I'll see if I can dig it up for you later.

I'm not sure why it should be surprising to anyone that immigrants are more educated than Americans, apart from general gullibility to demagoguery.

[baseline bum]

LOL lets elect the guy who literally hires illegals so that we can stop illegal immigration

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LOL lets elect the guy who literally hires illegals so that we can stop illegal immigration

Better than the asshole who persists on having $4 to $5 gallon a gas vs. the guy who sold it for $2 a gallon.
Better than the asshole who killed more than 3/4 of a million American >and counting< with COVID after he swore on the Good Book: "I'll shut it down." vs. the guy who only killed 400k Americans with it.
Better than the asshole who gives Full Health Insurance to millions of Nazi's in Ukraine vs. the guy who don't.

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I'll see if I can dig it up for you later.

I'm not sure why it should be surprising to anyone that immigrants are more educated than Americans, apart from general gullibility to demagoguery.

Because it ain't true, motherfucker.

[Winehole23]

LOL lets elect the guy who literally hires illegals so that we can stop illegal immigrationThis, but unironically

Hypocrisy is filigree on the gun barrel of impunity.

It's a flex. The in group isn't bound by the rules it proposes for others. The frisson of criminal transgression keens the perverted righteousness of the crooked public official.

[Winehole23]

Oddly enough, Trump being a fraud and a crook -- and a big loser -- makes him more relatable to certain people.

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Oddly enough, Trump being a fraud and a crook -- and a big loser -- makes him more relatable to certain people.

He made President, Winester, one of only 44 others to accomplish it across 4 centuries. That's the only reason why we're here of a nondescript Thursday afternoon turning evening.

President Trump

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This, but unironically

Hypocrisy is filigree on the gun barrel of impunity.

It's a flex. The in group isn't bound by the rules it proposes for others. The frisson of criminal transgression keens the perverted righteousness of the crooked public official.

You taught us that strategy after he'd made President. And now you want said strategy all to yourselves. Uh, uh.

[MultiTroll]

Abutt and his taxpayer waste.

Texas National Guard member accused of smuggling migrant (borderreport.com) (https://www.borderreport.com/immigration/border-crime/texas-national-guard-member-charged-with-human-smuggling/)

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Abutt and his taxpayer waste.

Texas National Guard member accused of smuggling migrant (borderreport.com) (https://www.borderreport.com/immigration/border-crime/texas-national-guard-member-charged-with-human-smuggling/)

1 bad apple doesn't spoil the whole crop, fart-face.

[RandomGuy]

How many dead Russians does 60B buy?

Not enough. Murder more.

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Not enough. Murder more.

...or, 20% will turn to 21%...on & on.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Winehole23]

lies about election integrity undermine election integrity, which is the desired result

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lies about election integrity undermine election integrity, which is the desired result

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& a real pisser because State sponsored CNN was countin' heavily on this Johnson fellow to upset that apple court for CNN and they were going to try and save his ass for all time, perhaps even give him a CNN gig had he been run off.

Johnson & the missus..."What should I do?"

"Get in bed with him."

"Trump?"

"No, your MIL, of course Trump!"

"I don't know about that."

"I do. Now, go to Florida, and bring back something for me and the children. Here, I packed your satchel page me when you land."

[Winehole23]

we'd be worse off economically without the immigration we've already had and the immigration yet to come

immigration is good

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we'd be worse off economically without the immigration we've already had and the immigration yet to come

immigration is good

1782876380801147214

...yep, yep; them Pals having the time of their lives coast-to-coast.

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

It's striking how much the narrative contrasts with measurable facts

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It's striking how much the narrative contrasts with measurable facts

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...yep, yep; them Pals having the time of their lives coast-to-coast.

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

"open borders Biden"

https://x.com/camiloreports/status/1791615399143813392

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"open borders Biden"

https://x.com/camiloreports/status/1791615399143813392

That cocksucker is flyin' 'em in from the war in the Gaza Strip. What did ya's expect...after more than a half century of on demand abortion?

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

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Illegal immigration is here to stay, you know this, Winester. 50 years of murdering American babies in the womb has taken the toll that must have been preordained the day Roe went into the effect.

We did this///or allowed it to ourselves, and we've nobody to blame but ourselves. You cannot put that toothpaste back in that tube, even if you wanted to.

You won.

[Winehole23]

Partying with la migra

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[Winehole23]

LOL lets elect the guy who literally hires illegals so that we can stop illegal immigration


This, but unironically

Hypocrisy is filigree on the gun barrel of impunity.

It's a flex. The in group isn't bound by the rules it proposes for others. The frisson of criminal transgression keens the perverted righteousness of the crooked public official.


Oddly enough, Trump being a fraud and a crook -- and a big loser -- makes him even more relatable to certain people.

[Winehole23]

The Trumpian loser pathos underwrites most of the umbrage and retaliatory violence.

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The Trumpian loser pathos underwrites most of the umbrage and retaliatory violence.

Well, you started it and now you're going, no, we're going to see it thru, all the way, my friend.

There is nary other choice for us. Nary.

[Winehole23]

Did someone step on a frog?

I think I heard a low, squelching sound.

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Did someone step on a frog?

I think I heard a low, squelching sound.

It was them selling your shit in Florida.

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

(Wind on the water, a turbulent, meaningless din)

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(Wind on the water, a turbulent, meaningless din)

Think Florida.

[Winehole23]

(blows out the candle)

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(blows out the candle)

Why don't you sit on the candle, fart-face.

[Winehole23]

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Christ, we're already giving millions of Nazi's in Ukraine free healthcare/full ride.

[Winehole23]

"Open borders Biden"

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"Open borders Biden"

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- "Careful" - "John Coffee" - "The Green Mile"

Gotta do somethin'...been murderin' those babies in the womb for 2+ generations.

Methinks that's the chickens come home to roost, Winester.

tee, hee.

[CosmicCowboy]

Biden executive orders Trumps plan. Must be an election year.

[Winehole23]

Biden executive orders Trumps plan. Must be an election year.Dems tried to do this last year, but Trump chased the GOP caucus away from a bipartisan bill they'd been working on for months.

Lol Republicans running away from the problem, then blaming Dems for it.

[Winehole23]

But also lol @ Dems who meekly swallow this after screaming from the rooftops when Trump tried (and failed) to do this.

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Dems tried to do this last year, but Trump chased the GOP caucus away from a bipartisan bill they'd been working on for months.

Lol Republicans running away from the problem, then blaming Dems for it.

You motherfucker, you. You're never wrong.

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But also lol @ Dems who meekly swallow this after screaming from the rooftops when Trump tried (and failed) to do this.

See, now you get to be right both ways.

tee, hee.

[pgardn]

Biden executive orders Trumps plan. Must be an election year.

So you think this moves Trump votes to Biden?
You included?

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So you think this moves Trump votes to Biden?
You included?

Look at peeg; ya fuckin' prick, you.

[pgardn]

Republicans dont want immigration period.
They are happy with the poor white slaves they have hypnotized.
Or the old fucks who are scared of anything dark.

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Republicans dont want immigration period.
They are happy with the poor white slaves they have hypnotized.
Or the old fucks who are scared of anything dark.

No, we don't, but now, thanks to 50+ years of murdering babies in the womb we've nary other choice.

He'll lift it sometime come March, with a full explanation to States sponsored CNN of the numbers they're looking at that we ain't been permitted to see the last 50+ years of murdering babies in the womb.

[CosmicCowboy]

No, we don't, but now, thanks to 50+ years of murdering babies in the womb we've nary other choice.

He'll lift it sometime come March, with a full explanation to States sponsored CNN of the numbers they're looking at that we ain't been permitted to see the last 50+ years of murdering babies in the womb.

You don't get how this works. There will be an injunction by Friday that halts the executive order and opens the border again. Bidens justice dept will slow walk the appeal process and it will never go into effect but Biden can claim he was "tough on immigration" for the election but the courts wouldn't let him. As to that bullshit "bipartisan" shit that didn't pass the limit was still 5000 a day which was still way too high. If Biden and the dems had proposed the1500 a day limit like Biden just did it probably could have passed even with Trump not liking it.

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You don't get how this works. There will be an injunction by Friday that halts the executive order and opens the border again. Bidens justice dept will slow walk the appeal process and it will never go into effect but Biden can claim he was "tough on immigration" for the election but the courts wouldn't let him. As to that bullshit "bipartisan" shit that didn't pass the limit was still 5000 a day which was still way too high. If Biden and the dems had proposed the1500 a day limit like Biden just did it probably could have passed even with Trump not liking it.

Thanks CC. Couldn't see it for the tunnel-vision I'm saddled with lately.

Your explanation makes perfect sense.

[pgardn]

The red team wants zero immigration.
There is no more bipartisan support for an actual plan because Mexico will pay for a wall that will solve all border problems.
Thats a really stupid stance as this is your largest trading partner AND THEY CONTROL THE MIGRATION FROM CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA.
So call em thieves and murderers and rapists and see if that works. Good plan to go with the wall. With your largest trading partner. You know, that business thing that the red team claims Trump understands...
I dont think they do. Isolate and US citizens will buy only US goods... and the red team is worried about inflation? Thats a laugher.

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The red team wants zero immigration.
There is no more bipartisan support for an actual plan because Mexico will pay for a wall that will solve all border problems.
Thats a really stupid stance as this is your largest trading partner AND THEY CONTROL THE MIGRATION FROM CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA.
So call em thieves and murderers and rapists and see if that works. Good plan to go with the wall. With your largest trading partner. You know, that business thing that the red team claims Trump understands...
I dont think they do. Isolate and US citizens will buy only US goods... and the red team is worried about inflation? Thats a laugher.


You don't get how this works. There will be an injunction by Friday that halts the executive order and opens the border again. Bidens justice dept will slow walk the appeal process and it will never go into effect but Biden can claim he was "tough on immigration" for the election but the courts wouldn't let him. As to that bullshit "bipartisan" shit that didn't pass the limit was still 5000 a day which was still way too high. If Biden and the dems had proposed the1500 a day limit like Biden just did it probably could have passed even with Trump not liking it.

CC

[ChumpDumper]

You don't get how this works. There will be an injunction by Friday that halts the executive order and opens the border again. Bidens justice dept will slow walk the appeal process and it will never go into effect but Biden can claim he was "tough on immigration" for the election but the courts wouldn't let him. As to that bullshit "bipartisan" shit that didn't pass the limit was still 5000 a day which was still way too high. If Biden and the dems had proposed the1500 a day limit like Biden just did it probably could have passed even with Trump not liking it.

You overestimate your party at every turn.

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You overestimate your party at every turn.

Horseshit. CC nailed itPERIOD

[clambake]

Same old cowboy.

[CosmicCowboy]

Same old cowboy.

Just watch. That is exactly what will happen.

[clambake]

Just watch. That is exactly what will happen.

I wasn’t referring to that.

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I wasn’t referring to that.

So, fuck-face, what were you referring to, fuck-face?

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Just watch. That is exactly what will happen.

Amen.

[Winehole23]

You don't get how this works. There will be an injunction by Friday that halts the executive order and opens the border again. Bidens justice dept will slow walk the appeal process and it will never go into effect but Biden can claim he was "tough on immigration" for the election but the courts wouldn't let him. As to that bullshit "bipartisan" shit that didn't pass the limit was still 5000 a day which was still way too high. If Biden and the dems had proposed the1500 a day limit like Biden just did it probably could have passed even with Trump not liking it.lol @ you arguing for no asylum limits rather than the negotiated limit

[Winehole23]

THE LIMIT WASN'T LOW ENOUGH, THEREFORE THE GOP WAS RIGHT TO PASS ON THE LIMIT NEGOTIATED

[MultiTroll]

Biden executive orders Trumps plan. Must be an election year.
It is sad how Joey B waited until June to try it again.
Yes Rump and the Repugs blocked it a year ago. But why did Joe wait til now to exec order it again?

Election year.

Politicians on both sides are self serving zeros.
Both parties lining their pockets will illegal immigrant slave labor and cartell drug payoffs.

[ElNono]

You don't get how this works. There will be an injunction by Friday that halts the executive order and opens the border again.

:tu

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It is sad how Joey B waited until June to try it again.
Yes Rump and the Repugs blocked it a year ago. But why did Joe wait til now to exec order it again?

Election year.

Politicians on both sides are self serving zeros.
Both parties lining their pockets will illegal immigrant slave labor and cartell drug payoffs.

Somebody(s) got to fill the shoes of them millions of babies murdered in the wombs 2+ generations ago & counting.

[Winehole23]

the Republicans are the party of no asylum limits right now

[Winehole23]

Trumpist-Leninism in action, abusing democratic process, sharpening social contradictions and seizing power in the ensuing chaos.

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Trumpist-Leninism in action, abusing democratic process, sharpening social contradictions and seizing power in the ensuing chaos.

Like shaved pussy, son.

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the Republicans are the party of no asylum limits right now


Somebody(s) got to fill the shoes of them millions of babies murdered in the wombs 2+ generations ago & counting.

[Winehole23]

lol @ [CC] arguing for no asylum limits rather than the negotiated limittotally congruent with DJT

:lol

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totally congruent with DJT

:lol

That's only because he made President on your time.

[Winehole23]

the Republicans are the party of no asylum limits right now

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https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Winehole23 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11073936#post11073936)
the Republicans are the party of no asylum limits right now

muhahahahahahaha!!!

[Ef-man]

On the plus side, the children in St. Petersburg can sleep at ease

https://x.com/GorillaOSINT/status/1797741930668859711

[Winehole23]

lol open borders Repuɓlicans

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lol open borders Repuɓlicans

We got's to, Winester. 50+ years of murdering babies in the womb and now we're a might short of labor.

tee, hee.

[diego]

The red team wants zero immigration.
There is no more bipartisan support for an actual plan because Mexico will pay for a wall that will solve all border problems.
Thats a really stupid stance as this is your largest trading partner AND THEY CONTROL THE MIGRATION FROM CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA.
So call em thieves and murderers and rapists and see if that works. Good plan to go with the wall. With your largest trading partner. You know, that business thing that the red team claims Trump understands...
I dont think they do. Isolate and US citizens will buy only US goods... and the red team is worried about inflation? Thats a laugher.

How does Mexico control the immigration from other countries? Do they have a spigot or a forcefield or something?

First world countries can't control their borders, but mexico does?

In another thread you said that part of the Mexican gov is very very corrupt, which part? How is it more corrupt than the other parts of the Mexican gov? Who is corrupting it, the us farmers association? China is weaponizing immigrants to destabilize america?

Seems like you didn't think this through

[CosmicCowboy]

lol @ you arguing for no asylum limits rather than the negotiated limit

I am all for organized legal immigration with pre screening and even a path to citizenship.

I'm against allowing anyone who walks across the border getting released into our communities.

It's pretty simple, whinehole.

[Winehole23]

I am all for organized legal immigration with pre screening and even a path to citizenship.

I'm against allowing anyone who walks across the border getting released into our communities.

It's pretty simple, whinehole.it's pretty simple, your party recently voted against any asylum limits and you just posted that you prefer having no limit than a limit you think is too high.

lol open borders CC

[CosmicCowboy]

it's pretty simple, your party recently voted against any asylum limits and you just posted that you prefer having no limit than a limit you think is too high.

lol open borders CC

Quit trying to hang me with that "your party" label whinehole. At this point I'm not fond of much of either ones policies.

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How does Mexico control the immigration from other countries? Do they have a spigot or a forcefield or something?

First world countries can't control their borders, but mexico does?

In another thread you said that part of the Mexican gov is very very corrupt, which part? How is it more corrupt than the other parts of the Mexican gov? Who is corrupting it, the us farmers association? China is weaponizing immigrants to destabilize america?

Seems like you didn't think this through

Amen.

diego; the voice of reason and moderation in troubled times.

diego

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Quit trying to hang me with that "your party" label whinehole. At this point I'm not fond of much of either ones policies.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[pgardn]

How does Mexico control the immigration from other countries? Do they have a spigot or a forcefield or something?

First world countries can't control their borders, but mexico does?

In another thread you said that part of the Mexican gov is very very corrupt, which part? How is it more corrupt than the other parts of the Mexican gov? Who is corrupting it, the us farmers association? China is weaponizing immigrants to destabilize america?

Seems like you didn't think this through

Seems like you dont read. I dont live there, I am not an expert on Mexico's southern border. Are you?
Mexico's immigration department is corrupt as hell. they can be paid off and they are. Mexico's new president says she will make it a priority.
Recently she also has stated she wants help from the US.
And the migrants staying in Mexico is causing them problems as well.

I did not come out with that list for Frosty from nowhere.

The US cant control the border due to politics and will during a political year. We have kicked the can that will require much more manpower and attention. Now that is really bad both parties can blame each other for not trying and they clearly are not. Be careful when you say cant. Our problem does not mirror Mexico's.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/03/world/americas/mexico-claudia-sheinbaum-president.html

]New York Times that she was prepared to work with whichever candidate wins. Publicly, she has echoed Mr. López Obrador’s emphasis on tackling migration by addressing its root causes.
In a hint of potential change, she said in a recent debate that she would seek to reform the country’s migration authority (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/12/world/americas/migrants-deported-us-mexico.html), an agency often accused of corruption.

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Seems like you dont read. I dont live there, I am not an expert on Mexico's southern border. Are you?
Mexico's immigration department is corrupt as hell. they can be paid off and they are. Mexico's new president says she will make it a priority.
Recently she also has stated she wants help from the US.
And the migrants staying in Mexico is causing them problems as well.

I did not come out with that list for Frosty from nowhere.

Just take your ass whippin' like a good sport.

diego scorched that ass.

diego

[diego]

Seems like you dont read. I dont live there, I am not an expert on Mexico's southern border. Are you?
Mexico's immigration department is corrupt as hell. they can be paid off and they are. Mexico's new president says she will make it a priority.
Recently she also has stated she wants help from the US.
And the migrants staying in Mexico is causing them problems as well.

I did not come out with that list for Frosty from nowhere.

The US cant control the border due to politics and will during a political year. We have kicked the can that will require much more manpower and attention. Now that is really bad both parties can blame each other for not trying and they clearly are not. Be careful when you say cant. Our problem does not mirror Mexico's.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/03/world/americas/mexico-claudia-sheinbaum-president.html

]New York Times that she was prepared to work with whichever candidate wins. Publicly, she has echoed Mr. López Obrador’s emphasis on tackling migration by addressing its root causes.
In a hint of potential change, she said in a recent debate that she would seek to reform the country’s migration authority (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/12/world/americas/migrants-deported-us-mexico.html), an agency often accused of corruption.

"an agency often accused of corruption" is a far cry from "that is a very very corrupt part of their government". the entire mexican govt is often accused of corruption, the only part ive ever heard especially singled out is the police thats why i asked what you were basing the "very very .. part" of your statement on.
But whatever, lets assume the mexican migration authority is the most corrupt in the world... are they going to honduras and guatemala and kidnapping homeless people to leave in the US?? trails of breadcrumbs to lure them there?? using subliminal marketing to manipulate them into emmigrating??

just about on every country on earth, immigration is a difficult to solve issue, due to the cost of patrolling borders, ubiquity of international flights, balance of tourism industry/travel visas, add international treaties that regulate a country's response... but yeah totally believable the US has a silver bullet solution, must be waiting for enough housing to get built and a few more harvests before whipping it out :lol

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"an agency often accused of corruption" is a far cry from "that is a very very corrupt part of their government". the entire mexican govt is often accused of corruption, the only part ive ever heard especially singled out is the police thats why i asked what you were basing the "very very .. part" of your statement on.
But whatever, lets assume the mexican migration authority is the most corrupt in the world... are they going to honduras and guatemala and kidnapping homeless people to leave in the US?? trails of breadcrumbs to lure them there?? using subliminal marketing to manipulate them into emmigrating??

just about on every country on earth, immigration is a difficult to solve issue, due to the cost of patrolling borders, ubiquity of international flights, balance of tourism industry/travel visas, add international treaties that regulate a country's response... but yeah totally believable the US has a silver bullet solution, must be waiting for enough housing to get built and a few more harvests before whipping it out :lol

peeg now owns the cleanest clock in Texas.

[Winehole23]

Quit trying to hang me with that "your party" label whinehole. At this point I'm not fond of much of either ones policies.I didn't hear a denial, your no asylum limits party line just for 2024 seems to be 100% congruent with DJT's stated preference.

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I didn't hear a denial, your no asylum limits party line just for 2024 seems to be 100% congruent with DJT's stated preference.

Winester; runnin' just as fast as he can.

[CosmicCowboy]

I didn't hear a denial, your no asylum limits party line just for 2024 seems to be 100% congruent with DJT's stated preference.

Just because I don't agree with your shitbrain liberal bullshit doesn't automatically put me in the MAGA camp.

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Just because I don't agree with your shitbrain liberal bullshit doesn't automatically put me in the MAGA camp.

You damn right, C...wait a minute, GD it, I paid you could money to MAGA, CC.

[Winehole23]

Just because I don't agree with your shitbrain liberal bullshit doesn't automatically put me in the MAGA camp.I didn't ask you to agree with me.

You seem to have tender feelings about having your bullshit called out.

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I didn't ask you to agree with me.

You seem to have tender feelings about having your bullshit called out.

Can't have that, ever, or, at least since Trump made President, eh, Winester?

[CosmicCowboy]

I didn't ask you to agree with me.

You seem to have tender feelings about having your bullshit called out.

You didn't call anything out whinehole, just your fantasy assumptions. You have just turned into a Boutons clone.

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You didn't call anything out whinehole, just your fantasy assumptions. You have just turned into a Boutons clone.

Like I warned him: the conviction(s) would not be enough. Now he's as stove up as ever.

[Winehole23]

You didn't call anything out whinehole, just your fantasy assumptions. You have just turned into a Boutons clone.who?

[Winehole23]

disdaining to respond to straight political takes with anything but name calling in a political opinion forum is normal, and it becomes you, CC.

Don't ever change

:bobo

[Winehole23]

BTW, your 2024 bullshit is indistinguishable from Trump's 2024 bullshit on this topic.

[ElNono]

I'm against allowing anyone who walks across the border getting released into our communities.

Why?

[Winehole23]

When CC pushes the vote now button, it will be for approximately 100% MAGA assholes.

[CosmicCowboy]

Whinehole/Boutons is hilarious when he talks to himself. Even quotes himself LMAO.

[pgardn]

"an agency often accused of corruption" is a far cry from "that is a very very corrupt part of their government". the entire mexican govt is often accused of corruption, the only part ive ever heard especially singled out is the police thats why i asked what you were basing the "very very .. part" of your statement on.
But whatever, lets assume the mexican migration authority is the most corrupt in the world... are they going to honduras and guatemala and kidnapping homeless people to leave in the US?? trails of breadcrumbs to lure them there?? using subliminal marketing to manipulate them into emmigrating??

just about on every country on earth, immigration is a difficult to solve issue, due to the cost of patrolling borders, ubiquity of international flights, balance of tourism industry/travel visas, add international treaties that regulate a country's response... but yeah totally believable the US has a silver bullet solution, must be waiting for enough housing to get built and a few more harvests before whipping it out :lol

Who said it was not difficult?
Who said the US had a silver bullet? WHERE did I claim this? Show me. I basically said we have no real problem solving policy in place and THAT IS TRUE.
You said Mexico should not be expected to change things if the US cant?
That was your claim.

I showed you what you did not read and then you proceed to say everything in Mexico is corrupt? Thats not the point, and a huge move of the goal post. And you know this.
I said it would be helpful in the US and Mexico could work together on this as we have a common border. I said Trump did not see it this way. And I also said that Mexico's new president, wanted a change.
Health Care is also an incredibly difficult problem in the US but there are clearly things that can be done to make it better. The border as well. So there is no hope for Mexico or the US? diego conclusion?

Then you put up a :lol
You dont have to be disingenuous because I backed up what I wrote and you made a flippant, stupid statement: basically "How can Mexico be expected when we cant..."
Well how about a fake :clap for you. Dont change my argument.

[z0sa]

BTW, your 2024 bullshit is indistinguishable from Trump's 2024 bullshit on this topic.

That's the tell. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm an actual independent who has voted for either side in multiple elections (McCain, Obama, Trump, Biden for the record). You can always tell the bullshitters who aren't independents because they pay lip service to being independent while every one of their views are aligning squarely with one party. This isn't an R or D thing, there's these types on both sides.

[Winehole23]

Whinehole/Boutons is hilarious when he talks to himself. Even quotes himself LMAO.other posters lurk here too, it isn't all about you and me, CC

[pgardn]

other posters lurk here too, it isn't all about you and me, CC

imo Winehole puts up some very good stuff. I look a lot of it up.
And its not hard to see why there is disagreement in posters.
We tend to focus on what we think is important, when our "fears" are very different.
Also attitudes differ. Some people give up on everything and some people see sunshine when its also raining.

We can be sure of one thing. This is not a board full of problem solvers.

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imo Winehole puts up some very good stuff. I look a lot of it up.
And its not hard to see why there is disagreement in posters.
We tend to focus on what we think is important, when our "fears" are very different.
Also attitudes differ. Some people give up on everything and some people see sunshine when its also raining.

We can be sure of one thing. This is not a board full of problem solvers.

But a board full of assassin supporters.

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other posters lurk here too, it isn't all about you and me, CC

...me neither.

[Winehole23]

imo Winehole puts up some very good stuff. I look a lot of it up.
And its not hard to see why there is disagreement in posters.
We tend to focus on what we think is important, when our "fears" are very different.
Also attitudes differ. Some people give up on everything and some people see sunshine when its also raining.

We can be sure of one thing. This is not a board full of problem solvers.tbh, that's not what non-technical downstairs opinion forums are for

[pgardn]

tbh, that's not what non-technical downstairs opinion forums are for

Nor are they supposed to be destroyers of worlds but that’s what it feels like.

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Nor are they supposed to be destroyers of worlds but that’s what it feels like.

Nor destroyers of President Trump, but that ain't stopped 'em yet, though he is livin' still.

[MultiTroll]

Nor destroyers of President Trump, but that ain't stopped 'em yet, though he is livin' still.
Quit your whining.

Get some new material.

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Quit your whining.

Get some new material.

lmemulatedao!!!

[pgardn]

Nor destroyers of President Trump, but that ain't stopped 'em yet, though he is livin' still.


Quit your whining.

Get some new material.

Tired Tread is still on about this?

Trump won in 2016 Because this is a democracy with an electoral college.
The US is about the only country an entertainer (who fake fires people) with a huge orange streak of authoritarian egomaniacal narcissism would then try to destroy the very system that allowed him a spot. Wannabe king who Christian Nationalists actually believe is some sort of Jesus? What a freaky damn fairy tale. I believe "we" are better than this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgjnAxD6-k

Only if you want to win...? They fkn dont believe in what you are saying. They dont want any federal guidance, including... their right to control their body. Imagine that they disagree? So it all comes down to Donald winning and the libertarians will be satisfied... Sure thing. They dont want to win with you, idiot. Personally I believe they are asking for chaos overall, but they certainly dont want a king Donald.

[MultiTroll]

Tired Tread is still on about this?
Supposedly he's still in his cuck cage.

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Tired Tread is still on about this?

Trump won in 2016 Because this is a democracy with an electoral college.
The US is about the only country an entertainer (who fake fires people) with a huge orange streak of authoritarian egomaniacal narcissism would then try to destroy the very system that allowed him a spot. Wannabe king who Christian Nationalists actually believe is some sort of Jesus? What a freaky damn fairy tale. I believe "we" are better than this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgjnAxD6-k

Only if you want to win...? They fkn dont believe in what you are saying. They dont want any federal guidance, including... their right to control their body. Imagine that they disagree? So it all comes down to Donald winning and the libertarians will be satisfied... Sure thing. They dont want to win with you, idiot. Personally I believe they are asking for chaos overall, but they certainly dont want a king Donald.

You can't murder babies in the womb.

& yes, chaos good. And you initiated said chaos when Trump made President assured that once he was out there, by hook, or, by crook + assassination things would go back to normal.

You were wrong, thank Christ.

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Supposedly he's still in his cuck cage.

Go whine about the NBA officiating, ya tin weasel, you.

[diego]

Who said it was not difficult?
Who said the US had a silver bullet? WHERE did I claim this? Show me. I basically said we have no real problem solving policy in place and THAT IS TRUE.
You said Mexico should not be expected to change things if the US cant?
That was your claim.

I showed you what you did not read and then you proceed to say everything in Mexico is corrupt? Thats not the point, and a huge move of the goal post. And you know this.
I said it would be helpful in the US and Mexico could work together on this as we have a common border. I said Trump did not see it this way. And I also said that Mexico's new president, wanted a change.
Health Care is also an incredibly difficult problem in the US but there are clearly things that can be done to make it better. The border as well. So there is no hope for Mexico or the US? diego conclusion?

Then you put up a :lol
You dont have to be disingenuous because I backed up what I wrote and you made a flippant, stupid statement: basically "How can Mexico be expected when we cant..."
Well how about a fake :clap for you. Dont change my argument.

Our exchange started when you posted
AND THEY [Mexico] CONTROL THE MIGRATION FROM CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA.

thats when i started positing that mexico doesnt control emigration from other countries (no country does, even the most competent ones can barely CONTROL their own citizens and businesses)

you follow that up with

The US cant control the border due to politics and will during a political year. We have kicked the can that will require much more manpower and attention. Now that is really bad both parties can blame each other for not trying and they clearly are not. Be careful when you say cant. Our problem does not mirror Mexico's.


pardon my hyperbole, but are you or are you not saying that "politics and will during a political year" are the impediment to CONTROL YOUR BORDER? You say your problem doesnt mirror mexico's on this side of your mouth, but on the other you say THEY CONTROL MIGRATION FROM CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA. which is it?


Health Care is also an incredibly difficult problem in the US but there are clearly things that can be done to make it better. The border as well. So there is no hope for Mexico or the US? diego conclusion?

you whine about my hyperbole and then come with this strawman??

why is it so hard to acknowledge it was silly to pin responsibility on Mexico in the first place?


anyways, Id like to see trump or any other politician try to deport venezuelans back to venezuela... Or maybe the plan is to do it like plastic recycling and pay a south east asian country to dump them there? that sounds more feasible assuming youre not going to start a war over venezuelan emigration

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Our exchange started when you posted

thats when i started positing that mexico doesnt control emigration from other countries (no country does, even the most competent ones can barely CONTROL their own citizens and businesses)

you follow that up with


pardon my hyperbole, but are you or are you not saying that "politics and will during a political year" are the impediment to CONTROL YOUR BORDER? You say your problem doesnt mirror mexico's on this side of your mouth, but on the other you say THEY CONTROL MIGRATION FROM CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA. which is it?



you whine about my hyperbole and then come with this strawman??

why is it so hard to acknowledge it was silly to pin responsibility on Mexico in the first place?


anyways, Id like to see trump or any other politician try to deport venezuelans back to venezuela... Or maybe the plan is to do it like plastic recycling and pay a south east asian country to dump them there? that sounds more feasible assuming youre not going to start a war over venezuelan emigration

After murdering at least 63 million babies in the womb since '73 in America, we're gonna need any living human now, shit holer or not.

[Proxy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPP4eKEb0AAXW91?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Ef-man]

https://youtu.be/Sq1k0nYF_LQ?si=-BrggHd_s-mfp5pw


https://youtu.be/wWMhjKfZ57U?si=uHYvEZ1S_xOD5mEI


https://youtu.be/Yeo6l73M4Qw?si=c4HzS_uI4Cmh_ENr

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https://youtu.be/Sq1k0nYF_LQ?si=-BrggHd_s-mfp5pw


https://youtu.be/wWMhjKfZ57U?si=uHYvEZ1S_xOD5mEI


https://youtu.be/Yeo6l73M4Qw?si=c4HzS_uI4Cmh_ENr

Perhaps that hot Jew chick in the shit hole will pay for it now, Effy? Por favor? "Yeah, yeah, pour some more."

[Winehole23]

immigrant crisis notwithstanding, great places to live

1805186626521305529https://x.com/cbs4rgv/status/1805186626521305529

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immigrant crisis notwithstanding, great places to live

1805186626521305529https://x.com/cbs4rgv/status/1805186626521305529

If you don't get raped, pillaged and murdered by some shit holer that crossed over.

[Winehole23]

Immigration makes the US richer and safer.

1805955962873782514

https://x.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1805955962873782514

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Immigration makes the US richer and safer.

1805955962873782514

https://x.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/1805955962873782514

+ makes up for the 63 million+ Americans who were murdered in the womb since '73.

Just shaved pussy.

[Winehole23]

1806345127956234635

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1806345127956234635

Uh, huh.

[Winehole23]

2019 levels

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRkuRt0XQAAhd3D?format=jpg&name=small

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2019 levels

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRkuRt0XQAAhd3D?format=jpg&name=small


Uh, huh.

[MultiTroll]

^ Here's a gift for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMs-4fUZd-k

[Spurs Homer]

^ Here's a gift for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMs-4fUZd-k


this guy uses two of those at once!



https://youtu.be/sifiIpY9RyY?si=XMbzQ2or_NtFG8MO

[MultiTroll]

this guy uses two of those at once!
Have you ever used the Pest Control link ElNono set up?

I can't find it at present. So many Parrot droppings.

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this guy uses two of those at once!



https://youtu.be/sifiIpY9RyY?si=XMbzQ2or_NtFG8MO

Only pussies & assholes use AI.

[Winehole23]

1814000931983306957

https://x.com/camiloreports/status/1814000931983306957

[Winehole23]

Can someone link me to the Biden’s specific open border policies? Like, to the actual policies themselves. Thanks.nobody ever did

[Winehole23]

it's pure innuendo (http://https://www.etymonline.com/word/innuendo) and political cant

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo

[Spurminator]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo

Man, I thought this was going to be a run-of-the-mill Dementia Joe Biden misspeak but he was actually perfectly clear and Darrin unsurprisingly failed to understand what he was saying.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo

Yep, yep.

[ChumpDumper]

Man, I thought this was going to be a run-of-the-mill Dementia Joe Biden misspeak but he was actually perfectly clear and Darrin unsurprisingly failed to understand what he was saying.
Darrin's weird that way.

[Spurminator]

Man, I thought this was going to be a run-of-the-mill Dementia Joe Biden misspeak but he was actually perfectly clear and Darrin unsurprisingly swallowed the purposefully misrepresented interpretation that was fed to him.

Fixed.

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Darrin's weird that way.

You ain't no picnic.

[Winehole23]

"Pre-chew Charlie's, the steakhouse for people with sensitive teeth"

[DarrinS]

Man, I thought this was going to be a run-of-the-mill Dementia Joe Biden misspeak but he was actually perfectly clear and Darrin unsurprisingly failed to understand what he was saying.

Nope. Most Americans don't want foreigners surging to our border.

[Winehole23]

Nope. Most Americans don't want foreigners surging to our border.we're at pre-Trump levels now, kinda on the low side

[ChumpDumper]

Nope. Most Americans don't want foreigners surging to our border.

Could you post the border stats for the last six months or so without being weird about it?

[Ef-man]

Soon enough karin will be shouting “Lebensraum”

[Spurminator]

Nope. Most Americans don't want foreigners surging to our border.

Cool. That's not what he said.

Want to try again or are you just going to regurgitate the :lol Kevin McCarthy:lol version?

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Soon enough karin will be shouting “Lebensraum”

Nah, Russia settled all that in II..

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Nope. Most Americans don't want foreigners surging to our border.

Yep, yep.

[HemisfairArena]

Could you post the border stats for the last six months or so without being weird about it?

Post the border stats for the last 4 years,,,lets take a look,,,,

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Post the border stats for the last 4 years,,,lets take a look,,,,

Dumper never abides. Ever. It's his religion.

[DarrinS]

Man, I thought this was going to be a run-of-the-mill Dementia Joe Biden misspeak but he was actually perfectly clear and Darrin unsurprisingly failed to understand what he was saying.

He literally said surge to the border. They did

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He literally said surge to the border. They did

D S

[ChumpDumper]

Post the border stats for the last 4 years,,,lets take a look,,,,

Go right ahead.

I look forward to it.:tu

[DarrinS]

Go right ahead.

I look forward to it.:tu

https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/You do know when fiscal year 2023 ends, don't you?

Just answer without being all weird about it.

[DarrinS]

You do know when fiscal year 2023 ends, don't you?

Just answer without being all weird about it.

I do know that illegal immigration spiked massively under this administration. Dur

[ChumpDumper]

I do know that illegal immigration spiked massively under this administration. Dur

Why are you being weird, Darrin?

When did fiscal 2023 end?

This is a simple question.

[HemisfairArena]

Go right ahead.

I look forward to it.:tu

Sure thing, chumper,,,,

Comparing Biden and Trump's Immigration Policies in 12 Charts - Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-biden-immigration-border-record-charts-data-1925985)

In 2023, 3.2 million encounters were recorded by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, compared to the highest year of Trump's presidency, 2019, at 1.4 million.

Breaking Down the Immigration Figures - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/)

Encounters on the southern border of those trying to enter the U.S. without authorization have gone up significantly under President Joe Biden. Government statistics show that in the initial processing of millions of encounters, 2.5 million people have been released into the U.S. and 2.8 million have been removed or expelled.

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Sure thing, chumper,,,,

Comparing Biden and Trump's Immigration Policies in 12 Charts - Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-biden-immigration-border-record-charts-data-1925985)

In 2023, 3.2 million encounters were recorded by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, compared to the highest year of Trump's presidency, 2019, at 1.4 million.

Breaking Down the Immigration Figures - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/)

Encounters on the southern border of those trying to enter the U.S. without authorization have gone up significantly under President Joe Biden. Government statistics show that in the initial processing of millions of encounters, 2.5 million people have been released into the U.S. and 2.8 million have been removed or expelled.

Nail 'em up. Tree of Woe.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure thing, chumper,,,,

Comparing Biden and Trump's Immigration Policies in 12 Charts - Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-biden-immigration-border-record-charts-data-1925985)Thanks.

See how it's getting better.

Imagine if Trump didn't stop border reform.:tu

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Thanks.

See how it's getting better.

...it's a redirect to get thru till November. And ya know it. Don't act ignorant, Dumper.

[HemisfairArena]

Thanks.

See how it's getting better.

Nice change, chumper,,,,you want a small sample size,,,,I want the whole picture. I like to be informed,,,and you,,,,well,,,,you dont care about being informed,,,,youre gonna vote your side come hell or high water regardless what they do and youre gonna try to twist anything to fit your narrative,,,,I said lets look at the whole picture,,,,you said lets look at just a fraction of it,,,,,,lmao,,,,youre party over country,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Nice change, chumper,,,,you want a small sample size,,,,I want the whole picture. I like to be informed,,,and you,,,,well,,,,you dont care about being informed,,,,youre gonna vote your side come hell or high water regardless what they do and youre gonna try to twist anything to fit your narrative,,,,I said lets look at the whole picture,,,,you said lets look at just a fraction of it,,,,,,lmao,,,,youre party over country,,,,So you saw how many people the Biden administration deported.:tu

Do you approve or disapprove of those deportations?

Can't blame everyone for trying to come here because the economy is so much better than from where they came.:tu

[HemisfairArena]

So you saw how many people the Biden administration deported.:tu

Do you approve or disapprove of those deportations?

Absolutely approve of it,,,,see i have no problem giving credit where its due but that wasnt the topic,,,,,so I'll ask you the same question, Biden allowed the most illegals in ever,,,,do you approve or disapprove?,,,,

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Absolutely approve of it,,,,see i have no problem giving credit where its due but that wasnt the topic,,,,,so I'll ask you the same question, Biden allowed the most illegals in ever,,,,do you approve or disapprove?,,,,


Oh, this ought to be good...

[ChumpDumper]

Absolutely approve of it,,,,see i have no problem giving credit where its due but that wasnt the topic,,,,,so I'll ask you the same question, Biden allowed the most illegals in ever,,,,do you approve or disapprove?,,,,In a vacuum I would disapprove. It's the Border Patrol that "allows" them in, or they come in legally and overstay their visas.

So it all depends on how many actually stayed.

He certainly deported more than 5 million.

How many stayed during each administration?

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It's the Border Patrol that "allows" them in, or they come in legally and overstay their visas.

So it all depends on how many actually stayed.

He certainly deported more than 5 million.

How many stayed during each administration?

I knew you wouldn't give a straight answer. You never have.

[HemisfairArena]

It's the Border Patrol that "allows" them in, or they come in legally and overstay their visas.

So it all depends on how many actually stayed.

He certainly deported more than 5 million.

How many stayed during each administration?

Chickenshit answer like you always give,,,,,chumper grow some balls for once in your life,,,,,,and you wonder why i dont debate with ya,,,,you cant even just say you disapprove of the way Biden handled the border,,,,,he should have kept the remain in Mexico policy for one which Biden got rid of right from the start of his presidency,,,,,but nope,,,,youre gonna say its the border patrol that let them in,,,,,,lmao.

[ChumpDumper]

Chickenshit answer like you always give,,,,,chumper grow some balls for once in your life,,,,,,and you wonder why i dont debate with ya,,,,you cant even just say you disapprove of the way Biden handled the border,,,,,he should have kept the remain in Mexico policy for one which Biden got rid of right from the start of his presidency,,,,,but nope,,,,youre gonna say its the border patrol that let them in,,,,,,lmao.
I think most actually overstay their visas but I don't have the stats.

I think getting rid of the remain in Mexico policy was right. It just put a fig leaf on the problem. The Congress actually got together and made a bill that gave you most of what you say you want.

Why did you want to do nothing about the border?

This is your fault now.

[Ef-man]

I think most actually overstay their visas but I don't have the stats.

I think getting rid of the remain in Mexico policy was right. It just put a fig leaf on the problem. The Congress actually got together and made a bill that gave you most of what you say you want.

Why did you want to do nothing about the border?

This is your fault now.

Crucifying magas on the tree of weird :lol

[Spurminator]

He literally said surge to the border. They did

He wasn't talking about the migrants. Are you retarded or are you just lying to push a narrative?

"WE immediately surge to the border.
All THOSE PEOPLE are seeking asylum."

What's a more reasonable explanation? A candidate for President is saying "We should flood the border with immigrants" on national television? Or "We should man the border so we can document and process asylum seekers?"

This is not difficult. People like you should stay out of politics and voting.

[ChumpDumper]

He wasn't talking about the migrants. Are you retarded or are you just lying to push a narrative?

This is not difficult. People like you should stay out of politics and voting.Too weird to vote.

[Spurminator]

And MAGAtards still can't explain or justify their emotional support idol telling Republicans to kill border security legislation until the election.

Some crisis.

:cry But this clip from the 2020 democrat debate :cry

[Ef-man]

And MAGAtards still can't explain or justify their emotional support idol telling Republicans to kill border security legislation until the election.

Some crisis.

:cry But this clip from the 2020 democrat debate :cry

Karin is weirdly stupid

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Chickenshit answer like you always give,,,,,chumper grow some balls for once in your life,,,,,,and you wonder why i dont debate with ya,,,,you cant even just say you disapprove of the way Biden handled the border,,,,,he should have kept the remain in Mexico policy for one which Biden got rid of right from the start of his presidency,,,,,but nope,,,,youre gonna say its the border patrol that let them in,,,,,,lmao.

You're wasting your time, Dumper is Dumper, and you couldn't change him for all the rice in China.

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Crucifying magas on the tree of weird :lol

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Winehole23]

Democrats don't get enough credit for being hardasses on immigration

1818414386362409091https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1818414386362409091

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Democrats don't get enough credit for being hardasses on immigration

1818414386362409091https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1818414386362409091

I'll just bet they don't.

[Winehole23]

Reality check: An Axios review of crime data along the U.S.-Mexico border found that those cities have some of the nation's lowest violent crime rates (https://www.axios.com/2022/10/18/crime-fbi-mexico-border-homicides).

[Winehole23]

robust contribution to the public weal

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

[Winehole23]

conservative chicken littles, tbh

1823369396456186194https://x.com/ReichlinMelnick/status/1823369396456186194

[koriwhat]

Democrats don't get enough credit for being hardasses on immigration

You're the very reason we're in this mess with your -110 IQ.

Btw, no one is talking about LEGAL immigration, fucking retard. How much of a "hardass" are you on ILLEGAL immigration? :lmao

[Winehole23]

1825878735205134510

https://x.com/RafaelAnchia/status/1825878735205134510

[Winehole23]

Immigration is good. More immigration would likely be even better.

1831434801334907126

https://x.com/nikicaga/status/1831434801334907126

[Winehole23]

immigration is good


All Vance’s claims about the Haitians in Springfield are based on lazy, long-held stereotypes about immigrants, and about Haitians specifically (https://www.vox.com/politics/371855/trump-vance-springfield-ohio-racist-conspiracy-theories-haitian-immigrants). On some level, even debunking his claims feels like capitulation. Immigrants don’t need to justify their existence or prove their humanity. And the burden certainly isn’t on them to prove they aren’t doing whatever horrible new thing of which some shameless politician has accused them.


Yet Vance’s claims are worth debunking for one important reason — he isn’t just putting Haitian immigrants at risk, he’s now endangered the entire city of Springfield (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/13/us/politics/biden-trump-haitian-immigrants-cats-dogs.html). And the long-term goal of his rhetoric is to snuff out the main thing that’s giving slowly-dying cities like Springfield life and hope — immigration.
https://radleybalko.substack.com/p/what-jd-vance-and-donald-trump-dont

[Winehole23]

immigrant crisis notwithstanding, great places to live

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[Winehole23]

It's striking how much the narrative contrasts with measurable facts

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[Winehole23]

robust contribution to the public weal

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkxoHPmUUAAguzD.jpg:large

[Winehole23]

"open borders Biden/Harris"

"invasion"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYWFCvvXUAAZmMG?format=png&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

no lie detected

the current Biden/Harris policy is more restrictive than Trump's was while he was president

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https://x.com/Alexander_Avina/status/1840194419720343579

[Winehole23]

Gonna keep saying it, Republicans are objectively wrong on this issue, immigration is per se good.

Y'all been demagogued.

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https://x.com/JustinWolfers/status/1841809423242588204

[diego]

I have a good friend that works at the fed

He told me that immigrants saved the US from a recession last year

[MultiTroll]

It's great that Joe and Kammy have cleaned it up for the election.

However as recently as 8 months ago they were dumping off busloads of immis at San Diego trolly stops.
Yep. "You're in the U.S., go for it."

[Winehole23]

if you want an orderly immigration system, there need to be clear legal pathways to US residency and more immigration judges to process applicants. it's not some super complicated, insoluble mess.

[Ef-man]

I have a good friend that works at the fed

He told me that immigrants saved the US from a recession last year


Food prices were definitely impacted.

The price of MD blue crab meat went up as the number of migrant visas (H-2Bs) to process them went down as there were not enough US workers.

[Blake]

if you want an orderly immigration system, there need to be clear legal pathways to US residency and more immigration judges to process applicants. it's not some super complicated, insoluble mess.

NO NO DEPORT THEM ALL BECAUSE MY PETS IN SPRINGFIELD ARE DELICIOUS

[Blake]

I have a good friend that works at the fed

He told me that immigrants saved the US from a recession last year

Goddam talk radio and 24 hour right wing TV "libs are the devil" are destroying this country

[Winehole23]

Goddam talk radio and 24 hour right wing TV "libs are the devil" are destroying this countryPresent progressive fear mongering is objectively true, but seems unduly restrictive...the right wing media demonization of liberals picked up a long time ago, in the 1990s -- even though by then the Dems had already joined their movement, so to speak: donor facing, ethically flexible, pro-corporate candidates on both sides.

[Blake]

Present progressive fear mongering is objectively true, but seems unduly restrictive...the right wing media demonization of liberals picked up a long time ago, in the 1990s -- even though by then the Dems had already joined their movement, so to speak: donor facing, ethically flexible, pro-corporate candidates on both sides.

Yah that was the decade that Limbaugh really picked up steam. Every move that Clinton made he was able to cover 3 hours, spraying his radio mic with drops a hate filled saliva. And the right ate it up and wanted more.

[Winehole23]

Yah that was the decade that Limbaugh really picked up steam. Every move that Clinton made he was able to cover 3 hours, spraying his radio mic with drops a hate filled saliva. And the right ate it up and wanted more.You're right about the right wanting more, J6 was just a warmup/networking event.

[Winehole23]

Mish is a Trump supporter.

Mish thinks mass deportation is a bad idea.


tl;dr

Costs too much, socially disruptive, leaves us worse off economically than before.


The American Immigration Council (https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/mass-deportation) (AIC) estimates the total cost of deportation (not counting the knock on impacts) at $315 billion.

That’s about $21,000 per person. I suspect that answer is on the low side.

...

No one knows what Trump really has in mind, but let’s assume he means the max or something like 2/3 the max, ~10 million.

Devastating Consequences


In total, we find that the cost of a one-time mass deportation operation aimed at both those populations—an estimated total of is at least $315 billion. We wish to emphasize that this figure is a highly conservative estimate. It does not take into account the long-term costs of a sustained mass deportation operation or the incalculable additional costs necessary to acquire the institutional capacity to remove over 13 million people in a short period of time—incalculable because there is simply no reality in which such a singular operation is possible.

Beyond the direct financial cost of mass deportation, we also estimated the impact on the U.S. economy. Due to the loss of workers across U.S. industries, we found that mass deportation would reduce the U.S. gross domestic product (GDP) by 4.2 to 6.8 percent. It would also result in significant reduction in tax revenues for the U.S. government. In 2022 alone, undocumented immigrant households paid $46.8 billion in federal taxes and $29.3 billion in state and local taxes. Undocumented immigrants also contributed $22.6 billion to Social Security and $5.7 billion to Medicare.

Mass deportations would cause significant labor shocks across multiple key industries, with especially acute impacts on construction, agriculture, and the hospitality sector. We estimate that nearly 14 percent of people employed in the construction industry are undocumented. Removing that labor would disrupt all forms of construction across the nation, from homes to businesses to basic infrastructure. As industries suffer, hundreds of thousands of U.S.-born workers could lose their jobs.

These numbers do not even come close to capturing the human cost of mass deportation. About 5.1 million U.S. citizen children live with an undocumented family member. Separating family members would lead to tremendous emotional stress and could also cause economic hardship for many of these mixed-status families who might lose their breadwinners, jeopardizing their economic and social well-being.
Deporting undocumented workers would wreak havoc on industry, exacerbating labor shortages and triggering additional job losses for American workers. For example, if a shortage of construction workers prevents a house from getting built, the businesses that would be furnishing that house—from kitchen appliances to bedframes—lose business, too. Without field workers to pick crops, truckers have no goods to transport, and farmers have no need to buy new farm equipment.

Proponents of mass deportation of undocumented immigrants argue that it would raise wages for American workers. But past economic research suggests the opposite is true. In a literature review, economist Michael A. Clemens of George Mason University concludes that “the immigrants being targeted for removal are the lifeblood of several parts of the U.S. economy.”

One 2023 study looked at the economic effects of increased deportations under Secure Communities, a federal initiative that resulted in the deportation of an estimated 400,000 immigrants between 2008 and 2014, and found that when 500,000 undocumented immigrant workers were forced out of the country, 44,000 fewer jobs were held by U.S.-born workers.


Case Study: The Impact of Senate Bill 1718 on Florida


Florida recently implemented legislation targeting undocumented immigrants, with repercussions that surprised even the lawmakers who had supported it—and illustrate that, inevitably, hardline immigration enforcement measures will have negative economic impacts on U.S. citizens.

In May 2023, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 1718 into law. SB 1718 requires private businesses with 25 or more employees to use the federal E-Verify database to screen new workers; makes it a felony to transport an undocumented immigrant into the state or for an undocumented immigrant to use a false ID to obtain work; and prohibits undocumented immigrants from driving with an out-of-state license, among other provisions.

Even before the law went into effect that July, undocumented immigrants began moving out of state, afraid and unable to work. Within months, farmers, builders, restaurants, hotels, and other businesses in the state complained of worker shortages. Even people with legal work authorization moved, worried for their undocumented family members.

“They’re just picking up and leaving to a state where they’re more friendly towards migrants, where they don’t have to be looking over their shoulder every 10 seconds and saying, ‘Look, I’m going … to be deported,’” Greg Batista, owner of G. Batista Engineering & Construction, told the Tampa Bay Times.

Construction projects stalled, fruit rotted in the fields, hotels and restaurants fired staff and put up “Help Wanted” signs. Rental units were left empty, and businesses lost customers. Walt Disney World had trouble finding cast members. State representatives who had themselves supported the legislation publicly appealed to immigrants not to leave.

Florida’s experience provides a small peek into how a national mass deportation of undocumented immigrants would have more significant impact across states and economic sectors in the U.S. economy. While Florida is home to a higher share of undocumented immigrants than most states—five percent compared with the national average of 3.3 percent—its outsized reliance on undocumented immigrant workers is not atypical.

The negative impact of targeting undocumented immigrants with anti-immigration policies in Florida should not have come as a surprise. When Georgia enacted similar legislation in 2011, the ensuing labor shortage resulted in an estimated $140 million in crop losses that year alone.

In Arizona, legislators stopped short of expanding its law targeting undocumented immigrants in 2010 after opposition from business leaders. Economists estimated an exodus of the undocumented population would shrink Arizona’s economy by $48.8 billion annually, cost the state 10.1 percent of its tax revenues, and lead to the loss of 581,000 jobs, affecting all Arizonans.

What Would Trump’s Mass Deportation of Immigrants Cost? – MishTalk (https://mishtalk.com/economics/what-would-trumps-mass-deportation-of-immigrants-cost/)

[Winehole23]

Commie at the Cato Institute with the goods on Trump's soft on crime immigration policy

Seems clearer and clearer over time that Obama and Biden were both tougher on immigration than Trump.


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[TSA]

wE cAnT fIx ThE bOrDeR wItHoUt a BiLl

https://x.com/CBSNews/status/1896078015752294745

[ChumpDumper]

wE cAnT fIx ThE bOrDeR wItHoUt a BiLl

https://x.com/CBSNews/status/1896078015752294745

No new wall?

And yes, you still need a bill to fix immigration.

[Thread]

No new wall?

And yes, you still need a bill to fix immigration.

...until then Trump's way here will & shall suffice.

Let us proceed...

[Winehole23]

it was always propaganda and bullshit

if it weren't, Texas Republicans wouldn't turn their backs on it like this


Four years after Gov. Greg Abbott announced Texas would be the first state to build its own border wall, lawmakers have quietly stopped funding the project, leaving only scattered segments covering a small fraction of the border.

That decision, made in the waning hours of this year’s legislative session, leaves the future of the state wall unclear. Just 8% of the 805 miles the state identified for construction is complete, which has cost taxpayers more than $3 billion to date. The Texas Tribune reported last year (https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2024/texas-border-wall-greg-abbott-landowners/) that the wall is full of gaps that migrants and smugglers can easily walk around and mostly concentrated on sprawling ranches in rural areas, where illegal border crossings are less likely to occur.
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/06/17/texas-border-wall-funding-ends-abbott-trump/

[Winehole23]

before Trumplandia's immigrant dragnet, parolees and asylees were attending over 98% of their immigration hearings


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:zhcfq6acrvb6ermtjt644w2n/bafkreiallzvdraszqa5pe2bhxjapac4tfbh7tzrpjxstuivbw 76gdjaiea@jpeg

[Winehole23]

they're also less likely to commit crimes, receipts itt


robust contribution to the public weal

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/


From 2005 to 2019, refugees and asylees paid a total of $123.8 billion more in taxes than they cost in government services, for a net fiscal gain of $31.5 billion to the federal government and $92.3 billion to state and local governments combined. Refugees and asylees paid an estimated $363 billion to the federal government through payroll, income, and excise taxes, and $218 billion to state and local governments through income, sales, and property taxes.


Even when factoring in their spouses and children under 18, many of whom are U.S. citizens, refugees and asylees still provided a net fiscal gain, costing $723.4 billion in government services yet paying $739.4 billion in tax revenue, for a net gain of $16 billion.



While recently arrived refugees and asylees tend to have lower employment levels and household incomes than the U.S. population as a whole, after 10 years their incomes are comparable and their employment rates exceed that of the U.S. average. The report found that in an average year, 57.2% of people in the United States of prime working age, or between the ages of 25 and 64, were employed full-time. Among prime-working-age refugees and asylees, just 43% of those who had arrived within five years were employed full-time. But those who had been in the United States for 10 years or more had a 60% full-time employment rate, slightly higher than the U.S. average.


Similarly, while refugees and asylees in the country for less than five years had higher annual poverty rates than the U.S. average (33.9% vs. 13.2%), those rates had dropped to 14.4% on average for refugees and asylees in the country 10 years or more. After 10 years, the average annual household income of refugees and asylees was not statistically different from the average for all U.S. residents, approximately $59,000. Their individual net fiscal impacts were also comparable. Over the 15-year period, refugees and asylees paid slightly more per capita in annual taxes than the U.S. population as a whole ($12,989 vs $12,674) and used slightly less per capita in annual government expenditures ($10,222 vs $10,416).
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/refugees-and-asylum-seekers-generate-billions-dollars-more-than-they-cost/

[Winehole23]

Mish is a Trump supporter.

Mish thinks mass deportation is a bad idea.


tl;dr

Costs too much, socially disruptive, leaves us worse off economically than before.

What Would Trump’s Mass Deportation of Immigrants Cost? – MishTalk (https://mishtalk.com/economics/what-would-trumps-mass-deportation-of-immigrants-cost/)I think Mish still supports Trump

:lmao

[Winehole23]

before Trumplandia's immigrant dragnet, parolees and asylees were attending over 98% of their immigration hearings


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:zhcfq6acrvb6ermtjt644w2n/bafkreiallzvdraszqa5pe2bhxjapac4tfbh7tzrpjxstuivbw 76gdjaiea@jpegHoman and Noam and their various deputized officers have driven them mostly underground, the incentive to earn is strong

People like this need to be impeached and never hold office again

it can happen after they are beaten in the next national election

[DarrinS]

Dude is talking to himself. :lmao

[Winehole23]

Dude is talking to himself. :lmaoyou're here

bet you're not alone

[ChumpDumper]

Dude is talking to himself. :lmao

To whom are you talking?