Border Security

[Winehole23]

Not sure who you're referring to, my opinion is much closer to El Nono's opinion than the "majority opinion" you're referring to.

[ElNono]

The dream is certainly to have a better life. But the reason why qualifications are arbitrary is that about half of those coming and stay illegally are not extremely poor, illiterate people. They have enough money to pay for an airplane ticket and a tourist visa (both of which seem cheap to the average American, but are a steep price in third world countries), passed a Dept of State background check, so we’re not talking exactly bottom of the barrel here.

Then they come here and realize they need to start from the bottom, washing dishes, flipping burgers, and head back (unless they already have family that can put them in a better situation). So there’s a varied demographic here, despite the rapists and felons rhetoric.

EVerify exists and is implemented, the main reason it’s not widely enforced comes down strictly also to economics. Things like farm jobs are already under huge pressure on competivity (tariffs didn’t help that), to the point the government has to subsidize them (sometimes to hire these illegals).

Unfortunately Washington and Business doesn’t want to have an honest conversation about this, and thus neither do we. That is the true immigration problem in this country, and if the power brokers are not interested in a fix, then there won’t be one.

[CosmicCowboy]

The dream is certainly to have a better life. But the reason why qualifications are arbitrary is that about half of those coming and stay illegally are not extremely poor, illiterate people. They have enough money to pay for an airplane ticket and a tourist visa (both of which seem cheap to the average American, but are a steep price in third world countries), passed a Dept of State background check, so we’re not talking exactly bottom of the barrel here.

Then they come here and realize they need to start from the bottom, washing dishes, flipping burgers, and head back (unless they already have family that can put them in a better situation). So there’s a varied demographic here, despite the rapists and felons rhetoric.

EVerify exists and is implemented, the main reason it’s not widely enforced comes down strictly also to economics. Things like farm jobs are already under huge pressure on competivity (tariffs didn’t help that), to the point the government has to subsidize them (sometimes to hire these illegals).

Unfortunately Washington and Business doesn’t want to have an honest conversation about this, and thus neither do we. That is the true immigration problem in this country, and if the power brokers are not interested in a fix, then there won’t be one.

True. When was the last time you heard a politician on either side mention enforcing everify? I use it with all new hires. It's great for catching child support dodgers too. I register a new employee and two days later I get a letter from the Texas attorney generals office telling how much to hold out of their check and mail to Austin.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs have absolutely refused to "fix" immigration,

because horribly exploited labor is loved by business.

Trash/Repugs have, for decades, as their fundamental campaign strategy pushed racism, hate, paranoia, white male supremacy.

Trash is totally aligned with the Repug establishment.

[CosmicCowboy]

POLITICIANS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE have absolutely refused to "fix" immigration.

Fixed it for you.

[koriwhat]

Asks one of the bigger bitchy whiners here

i forgot, you don't whine, you just cry in the corner soaking cushins. oh sancho!!!

[koriwhat]

Repugs have absolutely refused to "fix" immigration, because horribly exploited labor is loved by business, and Trash/Repugs have, for decades, as their fundamental campaign strategy, racism, hate, paranoia, white male supremacy. Trash is totally aligned with the Repug establishment.

lmao some of the biggest businesses are left leaning that exploit here as well as their overseas with their slave labor. talk about foot in your mouth bouts.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1078447718752796672

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1078447718752796672Those guys got jokes.

[Chris]

Those guys got jokes.

Lord knows you don't.

[Pavlov]

Lord knows you don't.About children's deaths?

No. Not really.

But you laugh it up, Christian Chris. I'm sure God gets your sense of humor.

[ducks]

https://ilovemyfreedom.org/chuck-schumer-claims-the-border-wall-is-a-waste-of-money-but-the-facts-say-otherwise/?utm_source=newsletter&fbclid=IwAR0FzZX_L50AEg0_Vu1VCx0-nTHrnd0Tyfzt9-uCweEWc61xUuXhJpbrdhk

[Chris]

About children's deaths?

No. Not really.

But you laugh it up, Christian Chris. I'm sure God gets your sense of humor.

You didn't watch it :lol

[Chris]

https://ilovemyfreedom.org/chuck-schumer-claims-the-border-wall-is-a-waste-of-money-but-the-facts-say-otherwise/?utm_source=newsletter&fbclid=IwAR0FzZX_L50AEg0_Vu1VCx0-nTHrnd0Tyfzt9-uCweEWc61xUuXhJpbrdhk

Schumer was serious about border security in 2009 when it was popular to be so. Can't blame this scumbag for appealing to his constituents now when the #Resistance is alive and strong (Media)

[Pavlov]

You didn't watch it :lol
I got to the joke and stopped

[Chris]

I got to the joke and stopped

lol snowflake

[Chris]

Border Fence helped cut crime in Yuma,Arizona by 91%

[Chris]

La Resistance

https://twitter.com/RepMarkMeadows/status/1078356487951564805

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1078483981539176448

Herr Gaetz

[ElNono]

Baloney. Republicans have majority in the Senate AND the the potential tiebreaker vote.

[ducks]

Border Fence helped cut crime in Yuma,Arizona by 91%

That is where I live

[Spurs Homer]

That is where I live

87% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

[Chris]

That is where I live

Congrats tbh you guys are doing it right

They are still flooding in over here in the Hill Country in Texas

[Chris]

87% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

https://www.theepochtimes.com/sheriff-border-fence-helped-cut-crime-in-yuma-by-91-percent_2749236.html

Call the Sherriff and dispute it.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/alexanderbruz/status/1078486726660800512
https://twitter.com/DiamondandSilk/status/1078490208050524162

[Spurs Homer]

Congrats tbh you guys are doing it right

They are still flooding in over here in the Hill Country in Texas

OMG -post a pic

and then report them by golly!

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1078486687251136512

Fire

[Chris]

OMG -post a pic

and then report them by golly!

No use in reporting them, they just shuffle back to Mexico after their crime spree. Good friend of mine got raped by 3 of them, and nowhere to be found. Even if you do find them, they aren't showing up for court. Glad you think it's funny.

[Chris]

Hell they don't even need to go to Mexico, they can just post up in San Antonio and blend in. It's basically a santuary city in beta stage.

[Spurminator]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/sheriff-border-fence-helped-cut-crime-in-yuma-by-91-percent_2749236.html

Call the Sherriff and dispute it.


lol Qhrisbot not getting it

[Spurminator]

No use in reporting them, they just shuffle back to Mexico after their crime spree. Good friend of mine got raped by 3 of them, and nowhere to be found. Even if you do find them, they aren't showing up for court. Glad you think it's funny.

I think it's funny that you think anyone believes you on this.

[Chris]

I think it's funny that you think anyone believes you on this.

I don't care if you believe me :lol

You do you hater.

[Spurs Homer]

No use in reporting them, they just shuffle back to Mexico after their crime spree. Good friend of mine got raped by 3 of them, and nowhere to be found. Even if you do find them, they aren't showing up for court. Glad you think it's funny.

lying

just like your cult leader

[Winehole23]

ICE prisons are big business.

The Daily Beast with the goods:


Being in the U.S. illegally is a misdemeanor offense, and immigration detention is technically a civil matter, not a criminal process. But the reality looks much different. The Daily Beast reported last month that as of Oct. 20, ICE was detaining an average of 44,631 people every day (https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-is-imprisoning-a-record-44000-people), an all-time high. Now ICE has told The Daily Beast that its latest detention numbers are even higher: 44,892 people as of Dec. 8. Its budget request for the current fiscal year anticipates detaining 52,000 people daily (https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/DHS%20BIB%202019.pdf)


The differences between for-profit immigration prisons and public immigration prisons are substantial, according to recent research (http://americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/the_landscape_of_immigration_detention_in_the_unit ed_states.pdf) by Ryo and colleagues based on data from fiscal year 2015. Even though for-profit companies operate only an estimated 10 percent of ICE detention facilities, both Ryo and the National Immigrant Justice Center found that more than two-thirds of all detainees have been held at least once at a privately run prison. Those for-profit prisons “consistently and substantially” hold immigrants longer than public ones—about 87 days on average for people ultimately granted relief, versus 33.3 days in public prisons.

https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/d_placeholder_euli9k/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_585/fl_lossy,q_auto/181221-iceprisonprofits3_embed1_ftzi2h

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dollar800-million-in-taxpayer-money-went-to-private-prisons-where-migrants-work-for-pennies

[Winehole23]

Pinning down the size and scope of the immigration prison industry is obscured by government secrecy. But the Daily Beast combed through ICE budget submissions and other public records to compile as comprehensive a list as possible of what for-profit prisons charge taxpayers to lock up a growing population, and how many people those facilities detain on average. The result: For 19 privately owned or operated detention centers for which The Daily Beast could find recent pricing data, ICE paid an estimated $807 million in fiscal year 2018.

Those 19 prisons hold 18,000 people—meaning that for-profit prisons currently lock up about 41 percent of the 44,000 people detained by ICE. But that’s not a comprehensive total, and the true figures are likely significantly higher.

[Winehole23]

Providing a comprehensive tally of ICE detention centers is difficult. The Department of Homeland Security claims ICE operates “nearly 250 (https://www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/assets/2017-12/OIG-18-32-Dec17.pdf),” but a study earlier this month for the American Immigration Council (http://americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/the_landscape_of_immigration_detention_in_the_unit ed_states.pdf) found 638 sites, more than twice the DHS figure. ICE told The Daily Beast it uses 205 facilities, citing information on its website that immigration researchers consider incomplete and misleading. Separating out the privately run facilities is even more difficult, since some of ICE’s state and local partnership prisons are run by for-profit companies, and complete lists are frustratingly difficult to find. In response to The Daily Beast’s queries, ICE said it could not provide a full breakdown of contractor-operated immigration prisons.

[Pavlov]

Border Fence helped cut crime in Yuma,Arizona by 91%Link?

[CosmicCowboy]

OMG -post a pic

and then report them by golly!

No use reporting them. An illegal with no driver's license driving an uninsured car tried to exit 35 going about 90, lost control and took out about $8000 of fence and totaled the car at my property downtown. SAPD responded, took the guys name down (at least, what he said his name was) gave him a couple of tickets and let him drive off with a friend. When I asked the cop about the damage his response was "you have insurance, don't you?" SA is a sanctuary city.

[Will Hunting]

Congrats tbh you guys are doing it right

They are still flooding in over here in the Hill Country in Texas
You’ve never been to Yuma if you’re congratulating someone for living there :lmao

[Chris’ Pastor]

Border Fence helped cut crime in Yuma,Arizona by 91%


No use in reporting them, they just shuffle back to Mexico after their crime spree. Good friend of mine got raped by 3 of them, and nowhere to be found. Even if you do find them, they aren't showing up for court. Glad you think it's funny.

“No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes.”
Psalm 101:7

[rmt]

No use reporting them. An illegal with no driver's license driving an uninsured car tried to exit 35 going about 90, lost control and took out about $8000 of fence and totaled the car at my property downtown. SAPD responded, took the guys name down (at least, what he said his name was) gave him a couple of tickets and let him drive off with a friend. When I asked the cop about the damage his response was "you have insurance, don't you?" SA is a sanctuary city.

Sorry, CC - that sucks. Here in Miami (I think Hialeah is #3 and Miami #4 most expensive auto ins cities), there are so many uninsured motorists that we have to carry uninsured/underinsured motorist coverage (and at same limits as liability) in addition to normal liability, collision, etc.

[ducks]

The average illegal alien household takes out $24,721 in Government Benefits while paying just $10,334 in taxes, according to the rosiest estimates

[Fabbs]

I'm going to Tijuana today.
Any messages you would like delivered?

[Winehole23]

The average illegal alien household takes out $24,721 in Government Benefits while paying just $10,334 in taxes, according to the rosiest estimateslink?

[benefactor]

The average illegal alien household takes out $24,721 in Government Benefits while paying just $10,334 in taxes, according to the rosiest estimates
Shut up faggot

[Winehole23]

even supposing Ducks's source is right, the wording is squirrely. the children in the household are likely to be US citizens not of working age.

non-working age elders may also live in the household. spouses may not work outside of the house.

without more information the factoid is misleading, which is probably the intention here.

[Winehole23]

The studies on economic impact of illegal aliens is mixed: no clear picture emerges.

The 2006 study by the Texas Comptroller suggested illegal immigration is a net economic benefit to Texas.

Texas focused studies are analyzed here:

https://files.texaspolicy.com/upload...as-Economy.pdf (https://files.texaspolicy.com/uploads/2018/08/16102134/Immigration-s-Impact-on-the-Texas-Economy.pdf)

[ElNono]

I'm going to Tijuana today.
Any messages you would like delivered?

I was in Nuevo Progreso yesterday, I shoulda warned them you’re heading that way, tbh

[pgardn]

Some illegals stopped a crime spree by a local gang, fixed my car, paid me $1000 dollars for the wall around parts of my neighborhood, then migrated back to Piedras Negras.

[Spurs Homer]

No use reporting them. An illegal with no driver's license driving an uninsured car tried to exit 35 going about 90, lost control and took out about $8000 of fence and totaled the car at my property downtown. SAPD responded, took the guys name down (at least, what he said his name was) gave him a couple of tickets and let him drive off with a friend. When I asked the cop about the damage his response was "you have insurance, don't you?" SA is a sanctuary city.

That's horrible!

I know of a guy who committed fraud on his taxes for years, laundered money - billions - through a foreign bank, lies every day to the American people and he holds a prominent public office- and he is a free man - as we speak!
He even made up a charity where he would take millions of dollars and fooled the donors into thinking these funds were going to sick children!

Terrible what these lawbreakers get away with!

[Chucho]

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned, but an illegal greased a county Sheriff down here less than a week ago. The whole area is scorching earth to find this fool. Not a bit surprised how suppressed it is in the media to the point ChrisNducks haven't brought it up yet...at least not to my knowledge and I'm not wading through this muck to find out either.

[Chucho]

I was in Nuevo Progreso yesterday, I shoulda warned them you’re heading that way, tbh

Fabbs taking his hard earned Christmas money to get some 3rd world pussy because 1st world whores don't trust creepy fucks in rape vans with no heat. :lmao

[DarrinS]

1078496926058700800

[Chucho]

1078496926058700800


That's what politicians do. They flip, they flop, they pander. The Democrats can't pimp the homeless because they see no vote volume from them so they pimp the impoverished and the morality police.

Hillary Clinton is a racist bigot who loved the KKK, was anti- gay marriage and one shady character to say the least, and she was the face of the Democrat party post-Obama. That's just how politicians are and how forgetful the average American is.

[Chucho]

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned, but an illegal greased a county Sheriff down here less than a week ago. The whole area is scorching earth to find this fool. Not a bit surprised how suppressed it is in the media to the point ChrisNducks haven't brought it up yet...at least not to my knowledge and I'm not wading through this muck to find out either.


They literally just caught this piece of shit:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article223670960.html?fbclid=IwAR3vFzjRxI4NX2OKbou UYrr0cESsXROa4OE7diLguLpMEqm8bTP1oMBqB7Q

[DarrinS]

They literally just caught this piece of shit:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article223670960.html?fbclid=IwAR3vFzjRxI4NX2OKbou UYrr0cESsXROa4OE7diLguLpMEqm8bTP1oMBqB7Q

the man
the suspect
the fugitive

Reading that article, I wouldn't know he was an illegal alien.

[Chucho]

the man
the suspect
the fugitive

Reading that article, I wouldn't know he was an illegal alien.

Yeah, all the stories prior read something to the tune that "suspect is in the country illegally". They found his FB with hella gun pictures, he's a Surreno gang banger et. al.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1078787238564122629

[Chris]

^ watch the second tweet

[ElNono]

Who has argued for open borders here? Anyone?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1078835868041924609

[spurraider21]

Who has argued for open borders here? Anyone?
everyone who doesn't vote for the wall, by default, tbh

[Spurminator]

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned, but an illegal greased a county Sheriff down here less than a week ago. The whole area is scorching earth to find this fool. Not a bit surprised how suppressed it is in the media to the point ChrisNducks haven't brought it up yet...at least not to my knowledge and I'm not wading through this muck to find out either.

There was a time when this would have only been covered on local news. The idea that every (rare) murder committed by an illegal immigrant needs to be huge national news is a fairly new one driven by the partisan, narrative-driven cable news era.

Confirmation bias is good for ratings.

[Splits]

https://twitter.com/shanegoldmacher/status/1078999655743213568?s=21

[Winehole23]

How should businesses who hire illegals be dealt with? They'd stop coming illegaly if they couldn't find work.


Totally agree.Get on it red team, the fish rots from the head down.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-fbi-ag-evidence-crimes-trump-golf-20181228-story.html

[CosmicCowboy]

Get on it red team, the fish rots from the head down.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-fbi-ag-evidence-crimes-trump-golf-20181228-story.html

I do my part and use it.

[Winehole23]

I do my part and use it.You could use your voice to expose and shame crooks like Trump who don't.

[CosmicCowboy]

I have posted in here multiple times that I think it should be illegal for employers to not use everify.

[boutons_deux]

I have posted in here multiple times that I think it should be illegal for employers to not use everify.

the rap on E-verify was that it was polluted with errors. I haven't heard that, eg, Repugs have bothered to fix it.

[Winehole23]

I have posted in here multiple times that I think it should be illegal for employers to not use everify.Can't bring yourself to call out Trump. Coward.

[CosmicCowboy]

Can't bring yourself to call out Trump. Coward.

I consistently express my dislike and dismay about Trump. Get your facts straight. I can be conservative and still not like Trump.

[Winehole23]

Nonsense, you spending plenty of time whatabouting and shielding for him.

[CosmicCowboy]

the rap on E-verify was that it was polluted with errors. I haven't heard that, eg, Repugs have bothered to fix it.

Only 1.12% of submissions to everify are kicked back and only .16 of those are found to be wrong after the appeal process.

[CosmicCowboy]

Nonsense, you spending plenty of time whatabouting and shielding for him.

Nothing is black and white. I can support some policy decisions and not like the man.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079096156708319232

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079096156708319232Why didn't he shut down the gubmit when he had more leverage and political capital?

[Spurminator]

It's funny how he tags @FoxNews in case they won't see his tweet.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RodStryker/status/1079108786403594240
https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1078816721115537410

The Democrat Party has a lot of blood on their hands. How anyone could continue to support and vote for these demons is disgusting to me.

[Pavlov]

Chris has a new bloody shirt to wave.

[rmt]

Why didn't he shut down the gubmit when he had more leverage and political capital?

I think that it's because there's no more election for 2 years (nothing to hurt), a new House come New Year when the current House bill goes away and 3/4? of (most essential parts of) govt funded (again not really critical) - now's when he can most put up a stand (for his base) with little to lose. He could offer DACA/amnesty for all and that wall will never happen - they hate him so.

[Pavlov]

I think that it's because there's no more election for 2 years (nothing to hurt), a new House come New Year when the current House bill goes away and 3/4? of (most essential parts of) govt funded (again not really critical) - now's when he can most put up a stand (for his base) with little to lose. He could offer DACA/amnesty for all and that wall will never happen - they hate him so.The border patrol isn't critical now?

:lmao

[rmt]

The border patrol isn't critical now?

:lmao

border's already like a sieve. we'll see when the 15k arrive.

[Spurs Homer]

https://twitter.com/RodStryker/status/1079108786403594240
https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1078816721115537410

The Democrat Party has a lot of blood on their hands. How anyone could continue to support and vote for these demons is disgusting to me.


That cop was an immigrant too.

Was he a murderer?

[Pavlov]

border's already like a sieve. we'll see when the 15k arrive.Oh, you're biting on Caravan 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Do you consider the Border Patrol critical or not?

[koriwhat]

That cop was an immigrant too.

Was he a murderer?

he wasn't illegally here... do your research dumbass. we want legal not illegal immigrants.

[Republican]

he wasn't illegally here... do your research dumbass. we want legal not illegal immigrants.
Close the borders completely and legal immigrants only!

[Spurs Homer]

he wasn't illegally here... do your research dumbass. we want legal not illegal immigrants.

Except that isn't true.

Dems gave Trump 25 billion for his white supremacist wall - and all he had to do was approve the DACA kids-

trump agreed

and then

his white supremacist advisor - Stephen Nazi Miller - told him no way will we give brown people amnesty!

Trump changed his mind - will now never get 25 billion - not even 5 billion -
the great deal-maker fucked himself !

why?

Because the nazi right does not want LEGAL immigration either - unless you are from Sweden!

and you?

a hispanic - semen shielding a white supremacist?


what a stupid idiot when you are too blind to see a nazi using you for their agenda.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079096156708319232

This is actually only partially correct. Mitch can use the nuclear option to end debate and bring it to a vote. He’s done so before on Gorsuch’s nomination and Reid before him.

[ElNono]

I think that it's because there's no more election for 2 years (nothing to hurt), a new House come New Year when the current House bill goes away and 3/4? of (most essential parts of) govt funded (again not really critical) - now's when he can most put up a stand (for his base) with little to lose. He could offer DACA/amnesty for all and that wall will never happen - they hate him so.

So you’re saying he’s holding all government workers hostage over his pet peeve to please a minority of voters? It actually sounds like a terrible political move.

[CosmicCowboy]

This is actually only partially correct. Mitch can use the nuclear option to end debate and bring it to a vote. He’s done so before on Gorsuch’s nomination and Reid before him.

As I remember the nuclear option isn't available when it involves budget/funding. Watching college football and don't feel like looking it up.

[CosmicCowboy]

So you’re saying he’s holding all government workers hostage over his pet peeve to please a minority of voters? It actually sounds like a terrible political move.

Dudes coming unhinged. I just hope someone has the balls to run against him in the primary.

[ElNono]

As I remember the nuclear option isn't available when it involves budget/funding. Watching college football and don't feel like looking it up.

It’s just a senate rule. It can be used to pass any kind of legislation, however, just like dropping any other procedural barrier, it could backfire when the GOP finds itself again in the minority.

IIRC, Trump has asked Mitch to got for it.

[koriwhat]

Except that isn't true.

Dems gave Trump 25 billion for his white supremacist wall - and all he had to do was approve the DACA kids-

trump agreed

and then

his white supremacist advisor - Stephen Nazi Miller - told him no way will we give brown people amnesty!

Trump changed his mind - will now never get 25 billion - not even 5 billion -
the great deal-maker fucked himself !

why?

Because the nazi right does not want LEGAL immigration either - unless you are from Sweden!

and you?

a hispanic - semen shielding a white supremacist?


what a stupid idiot when you are too blind to see a nazi using you for their agenda.

you've lost your fucking mind and you're running on pure unadulterated emotions. dems want illegals to just be waived in as legal; that's what the whole daca bs is about. it's not about legal immigration; it's about allowing a huge number of illegals to instantly skip the lines who are already benefiting more than most american citizens atm.

you advocating for that is a smack in the face to all american children who have dreams and aspirations too. america first, fuck the rest!

as well, i'm not hispanic but you can keep playing pretend all you'd like.

[rmt]

So you’re saying he’s holding all government workers hostage over his pet peeve to please a minority of voters? It actually sounds like a terrible political move.

Not "all."

What about the Dems? Aren't they also holding the same number of government workers hostage over MEASLY amount of money that they (iirc) already offered? And it's not a terrible political move for his base - it's a necessity - he must at least try. Dems take over the House early January and that 15k caravan gets to the border when? We'll see what happens.

[Pavlov]

Not "all."

What about the Dems? Aren't they also holding the same number of government workers hostage over MEASLY amount of money that they (iirc) already offered? And it's not a terrible political move for his base - it's a necessity - he must at least try. Dems take over the House early January and that 15k caravan gets to the border when? We'll see what happens.A necessity?

What if the wall doesn't happen and Trump caves?

Are you going to stop supporting Trump?

[rmt]

A necessity?

What if the wall doesn't happen and Trump caves?

Are you going to stop supporting Trump?

Haven't you been paying attention? I already said the wall isn't going to happen. Nope, I'm not going to stop supporting Trump or blame him (over this) - the blame (as I see it) is on (some of) the spineless cowards called republicans in the Senate - they never wanted the wall. If this funding is something that could have passed with 51 votes, then they are to blame. If it needs 60 votes (which it seems like), it was never going to happen - short of DACA and amnesty for all (which would never have been offered).

[Pavlov]

Haven't you been paying attention? I already said the wall isn't going to happen. Nope, I'm not going to stop supporting Trump or blame him (over this) - the blame (as I see it) is on (some of) the spineless cowards called republicans in the Senate - they never wanted the wall. If this funding is something that could have passed with 51 votes, then they are to blame. If it needs 60 votes (which it seems like), it was never going to happen - short of DACA and amnesty for all (which would never have been offered).
So it's not a necessity to you.

I'm sure it won't be to the rest of his cult of personality either.

[Sydcamp]

Haven't you been paying attention? I already said the wall isn't going to happen. Nope, I'm not going to stop supporting Trump or blame him (over this) - the blame (as I see it) is on (some of) the spineless cowards called republicans in the Senate - they never wanted the wall. If this funding is something that could have passed with 51 votes, then they are to blame. If it needs 60 votes (which it seems like), it was never going to happen - short of DACA and amnesty for all (which would never have been offered).

Why does he even need the senate. I thought Mexico was gonna pay for it.

[rmt]

Why does he even need the senate. I thought Mexico was gonna pay for it.

Really, you decided to register and first post (over my shouldn't have to explain to Pavlov who is still not getting my message: I am part of Trump's base - yes, it's a "necessity" (nothing really is a necessity as I'm happy with what Trump has already done) - that he try.

Anyway, welcome :-)

[Chris’ Pastor]

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[Chris’ Pastor]

http://i63.tinypic.com/35hjqfs.jpg

[Chris]

mono bot broken :lol

[Chris]

Fake Christian

Prove it.

[Chris]

1. You didn’t know Mary & Joseph fled to Egypt :lmao
2. You’re a huge liar :lmao
3. You defend and actively support people who display zero Christian values & principles :lmao
Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656)

1. That's a lie.
2. Projection
3. Being Christian doesn't mean I can only associate with other Christians. You're a confused liar.


Have a good night, fake Christian

lol running away ez win (per)

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1079400407846277120

Rudy on fire today :wow

[ElNono]

Not "all."

What about the Dems? Aren't they also holding the same number of government workers hostage over MEASLY amount of money that they (iirc) already offered? And it's not a terrible political move for his base - it's a necessity - he must at least try. Dems take over the House early January and that 15k caravan gets to the border when? We'll see what happens.

Democrats and Republicans agreed to a spending bill Trump signaled he wouldn’t sign over his Wall. You can point fingers all you want, but this is his baby.

[ElNono]

Dp

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1079400407846277120

Rudy on fire today :wow

Rudy needs to get back to 9/11... he’s been wrong on pretty much everything since then

[Chucho]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1079400407846277120

Rudy on fire today :wow

You mean Rudy told the truth. Telling the truth isnt being "on fire".

[hitmanyr2k]

Eh, this whole "wall" bullshit is just Trump childishly picking a fight because he needs his waning Trump University supporters to focus on a shiny object and ignore what a complete failure he is on everything. He and the GOP whiffed and quit on healthcare. Fiscal responsibility went out the window with the tax cuts and debt is ballooning at levels not seen since the recession. The tariffs have failed, made life harder for U.S. businesses, and have been a reason for uncertainty in the market. Kim Jong Un played Trump like a fiddle and got some nice TV time to sign a vague, meaningless document that both guys took a victory lap on. Mattis got the hell out and tried to use his best words in his letter to kindly say Trump is a fuckin idiot similar to Tillerson. Never mind the Mueller and NY investigations. Trump campaigned for 3 weeks on the boogeyman caravan story and immigration issues with Fox News working as his propaganda machine and covering the caravan 24/7. He even threw troops on the border for extra drama. The results in the midterms? 40 House seats lost, many in Republican strongholds. Arizona, ground zero for immigration issues, flips blue for the first time in nearly 3 decades. Translation: voters told Trump to shove the wall up his ass :lol What else can he do at this point besides pick a fight in an attempt to keep the focus off a really fucked up administration?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1079546722320171008

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1079546722320171008Still waving det bloody shirt.

[Winehole23]

Chris still hiding botlike behind RTs with no take.

[Winehole23]

RTs =/= endorsement, allegedly.

[Blake]

Prove it.

You hate refugees

[Fabbs]

Border Patrol fires tear gas AGAIN after 100 caravan migrants try to cross over from Tijuana to San Diego on New Year's Eve

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6544833/Border-Patrol-fires-tear-gas-caravan-migrants-try-enter-New-Years-Eve.html

[rmt]

Border Patrol fires tear gas AGAIN after 100 caravan migrants try to cross over from Tijuana to San Diego on New Year's Eve

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6544833/Border-Patrol-fires-tear-gas-caravan-migrants-try-enter-New-Years-Eve.html

Did you even read the article?:

The Department of Homeland Security accused the 'violent mob of migrants' of initiating attacks against U.S. border agents.

'Shortly thereafter, migrants began throwing rocks over the fence at the CBP agents and officers.

'Border Patrol agents witnessed members of the group attempt to lift toddler sized children up and over the concertina wire and having difficulty accomplishing the task in a safe manner.

'Agents were not in a position to safely assist the children due to the large number of rocks being thrown at them.

'To address the rock throwers assaulting agents and risking the safety of migrants attempting to cross who were already on the U.S. side, both smoke and minimal countermeasures were deployed.

'Agents deployed smoke, pepper spray and CS gas to a position upwind of the rock throwers and south of the border fence.

'The deployments were not directed at the migrants attempting entry on the U.S. side or at the fence line.

'The rock throwers were located south of the fence, in an elevated position both above the border fence area and the incursion attempt.

'These countermeasures successfully suppressed the rock throwers causing them to flee the area.

'No agents witnessed any of the migrants at the fence line, including children, experiencing effects of the chemical agents, which were targeted at the rock throwers further away.

'Once again we have had a violent mob of migrants attempt to enter the United States illegally by attacking our agents with projectiles,' DHS spokesperson Katie Waldman said.

'As has happened before - in this and previous administrations - our personnel used the minimum force necessary to defend themselves, defend our border, and restore order.

'The agents involved should be applauded for handling the situation with no reported injuries to the attackers.

'Initial reporting indicates that once the attempted illegal entry was thwarted by agents, the mob began pushing women and minors to the front, forcing minors to climb dangerous concertina wire, and encouraged conveniently invited media to begin filming their illegal acts.

[Fabbs]

yes I read it porkchop. What is your point?

[Fabbs]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/01/15/8018290-6544833-image-a-23_1546356557101.jpg

[koriwhat]

You hate refugees

fuck em

[rmt]

yes I read it porkchop. What is your point?

You expect anyone to take getting rocks thrown at them and not attempt to defend themselves? You condone rock throwing? and no consequence?

Porkchop? Care to explain?

[rmt]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/01/15/8018290-6544833-image-a-23_1546356557101.jpg

Why didn't you post the caption that went with this picture:

One migrant tried to throw back the tear gas bomb as others took cover around him at the US-Mexico border on Monday.

What an idiot - tries to throw it back.

[Fabbs]

You expect anyone to take getting rocks thrown at them and not attempt to defend themselves? You condone rock throwing? and no consequence?

Porkchop? Care to explain?
I am for the BP defending.
Not for the rock throwers.

You are confused.

[rmt]

I am for the BP defending.
Not for the rock throwers.

You are confused.

My sincere apologies. I mistook you posting only that misleading title as a negative against the BP - an assumption I should not make.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1080457560291987457

[spurraider21]

great, mexico is paying for the wall.

no need for taxpayer funding from congress, then.

:tu

[baseline bum]

great, mexico is paying for the wall.

no need for taxpayer funding from congress, then.

:tu

Shutdown over?

[Fabbs]

Has Trump been asked, or has any politician commented on Trumps campaign idea floater to tax the monies being wired back to Mexico / Central and South America. For that matter Asia.

WTH not?

[ElNono]

Has Trump been asked, or has any politician commented on Trumps campaign idea floater to tax the monies being wired back to Mexico / Central and South America. For that matter Asia.

WTH not?

Because legal immigrants would be penalized too for the mere fact of being immigrants?

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1080457560291987457

Gullible Chris

[DMC]

Has Trump been asked, or has any politician commented on Trumps campaign idea floater to tax the monies being wired back to Mexico / Central and South America. For that matter Asia.

WTH not?

You cannot just tax money transfers. What next, bank withdrawal tax? Policing that shit is the problem. You have to tax them when they make it, like the rest of us, not when they send it overseas. Hell we all send money overseas every time we buy products in the US.

[Fabbs]

Because legal immigrants would be penalized too for the mere fact of being immigrants?
Legal immigrants would be allowed to send back monies under the plan.
Illegals would not.
Thus a cottage industry would be formed, with Jose Legal sending back money for Pedro Illegal.
However, fights could break out when Pedro claims the money intended for Maria never got there.

Novellas could be written on this. The many twists and turns of the money. Actresses, actors and film industry people could thus be hired. Creating even more economic stimulus.

Award shows for Best Film involving Sending Money Back with catagories of:
Mexico
Houndaras
Brazil
Belize

China
Indonesia

Bucharest

Kazakistan

others to come.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1080592080290877440

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1080592080290877440:lol CRISIS

If it's really a crisis, they'd pay the Border Patrol.

[Winehole23]

Sounds like the President has made up his mind.

No wall, no government,

lol DJT using the livelihoods of 880,000 government workers as a bargaining chip.

[Winehole23]

If only there were a coequal sovereign to act as a check on a wicked and stubbornly irresponsible President. Doesn't seem there is at the moment.

[Chris]

Democrats want more dead Americans and more human trafficking. The Devil's Party.

[Winehole23]

Think again. Central American migrants are less dangerous than your native-born neighbors do not have a corner on human trafficking.

Far from it.

Chris bleats out propaganda like a mindless sheep.

[Pavlov]

Think again. Central American migrants are less dangerous than your native-born neighbors do not have a corner on human trafficking.No, ducks told me illegal immigrants commit 190% of murders in the US.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1080530129678262272

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1080520354202824704

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1080530129678262272
chris continuing to care about political opinions of hollywood celebrities

[spurraider21]

Democrats want more dead Americans and more human trafficking. The Devil's Party.
Luciferian Ted wants easier access to AR-15's, which means more dead Americans (including cops).

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1080530129678262272:lol wall

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/HMDatMI/status/1080608216835338240

[Will Hunting]

https://twitter.com/HMDatMI/status/1080608216835338240
Couldn’t be more true but Trump doesn’t want to force his country club buddies to use everify.

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/HMDatMI/status/1080608216835338240

So now Chris is okay with no wall

[ElNono]

Couldn’t be more true but Trump doesn’t want to force his country club buddies to use everify.

Imagine his golf club having to use EVerify :wow

[Chris]

Couldn’t be more true but Trump doesn’t want to force his country club buddies to use everify.

"Buy American, Hire American."

[Will Hunting]

"Buy American, Hire American."
His country club was literally issuing fake green cards to illegals it was hiring :lol

[Fabbs]

"Buy American, Hire American."
Can we call Tesla all American? Or at least 90%?

[Chris]

His country club was literally issuing fake green cards to illegals it was hiring :lol

1. Those are allegations.

2. Trump doesn't interview and hire every individual for all of his businesses.

; )

[ducks]

https://video.foxnews.com/v/5985473970001/?#sp=show-clips

[Winehole23]

stoke fear about filthy, murdering foreigners, then choke off immigration resources.

sounds about right.

1080632793787494402

[CosmicCowboy]

Five Billion for additional border security doesn't sound so bad. Wait until people realize they won't get tax refunds.

[Winehole23]

Wait until people realize they won't get tax refunds.Troof.

[Winehole23]

shutting down down the government to make taxpayers pay for a broken promise: BOSS MOVE

[Winehole23]

Criminals and drugs come through the checkpoints IN CARS AND TRUCKS.

A wall is not gonna stop that.

[Winehole23]

Trump DOJ cares so much about the link between immigrants, terrorism and sex crimes that it's willing to lie about the statistics:


One flaw the Justice Department acknowledged was the report’s assertion that between 2003 and 2009, immigrants were convicted of 69,929 sex offenses, which “in most instances constitutes gender-based violence against women.”

But, Allen said in his letter, “the alleged misrepresented data constitute mere editorial errors which the [law] does not obligate the agencies to withdraw or correct.”


Still, he added, “the department appreciates being made aware of such errors so they will not be repeated.”


Berwick said the errors were “not merely editorial.” The nearly 70,000 offenses spanned a period from 1955 to 2010 — 55 years, not six; the data covered arrests, not convictions; and one arrest could be for multiple offenses, he said, citing the Government Accountability Office (https://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf), which provided the underlying data.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-dept-admits-error-but-wont-correct-report-linking-terrorism-to-immigration/2019/01/03/cd29997a-0f69-11e9-831f-3aa2c2be4cbd_story.html

[Pavlov]

Five Billion for additional border security doesn't sound so bad. Wait until people realize they won't get tax refunds.Once again, CC unfailingly supports Trump.

[CosmicCowboy]

Once again, CC unfailingly supports Trump.

Correction. I support border security. Do you not support border security?

[Chris]

86% of Democrats want a secure border.

[Fabbs]

Originally Posted by Pavlov

Once again, CC unfailingly supports Trump.


Correction. I support border security. Do you not support border security?
Chumplov,do you yes or no?

And if yes, how do you support border security?

[koriwhat]

86% of Democrats want a secure border.

now divide that by 40 and that's the real number.

[Chris]

now divide that by 40 and that's the real number.

I'm just going by Harvard statistics. Boss Hogg approved ; )

[Pavlov]

Correction. I support border security. Do you not support border security?You support Trump.

What do you want the $5 billion spent on, CC?

[Chris]

"“We’re not doing a wall. Does anybody have any doubt about that? We are not doing a wall. So that’s that,” Pelosi said.

“It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with: The wall is an immorality between countries. It’s an old way of thinking [and] it isn’t cost-effective.”


^

[Pavlov]

"“We’re not doing a wall. Does anybody have any doubt about that? We are not doing a wall. So that’s that,” Pelosi said.

“It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with: The wall is an immorality between countries. It’s an old way of thinking [and] it isn’t cost-effective.”


^Why isn't there a wall between Canada and Alaska?

[Winehole23]

1081292713771847680

[spurraider21]

1081292713771847680

“This fallacy that a wall equals border security. I have more border than any other member of Congress, 820 miles of the border. I spent a decade as an undercover officer in the CIA chasing bad guys,” Hurd said.

“We are monitoring or keeping track of the wrong metric. It is not how many miles of wall that is going to keep us safe. Are we keeping bad guys and are we keeping drugs out of our country? The best way to do that is with technology and manpower. Building a wall from sea to shining sea is the most expensive and least effective way to keep the border secure.”

[ElNono]

Five Billion for additional border security doesn't sound so bad. Wait until people realize they won't get tax refunds.

A wall/fence is not border security

[baseline bum]

LOL old faggot who hires illegals saying we need a wall to keep illegals out. Wonder how long this pos can keep his shutdown going.

[Will Hunting]

Five Billion for additional border security doesn't sound so bad. Wait until people realize they won't get tax refunds.
If it was $5 billion for actual border security (more patrol, surveillance, etc.) then I'd be all for it, the $5 billion for a stupid wall that's inefficient and expensive is what I'm against.

[baseline bum]

If it was $5 billion for actual border security (more patrol, surveillance, etc.) then I'd be all for it, the $5 billion for a stupid wall that's inefficient and expensive is what I'm against.

If it was $5 billion to spend prosecuting people like Trump for hiring illegals I'd be all for it.

[Will Hunting]

LOL old faggot who hires illegals saying we need a wall to keep illegals out. Wonder how long this pos can keep his shutdown going.
I have to get deposed next week because of a lawsuit the company I work for is involved in and I'm praying like hell that the airports get shown down before my flight leaves :lol

[baseline bum]

Trump and the Republicans love illegal immigration. They just hate illegal immigrants.

[Will Hunting]

If it was $5 billion to spend prosecuting people like Trump for hiring illegals I'd be all for it.
Truth, and we'd probably make several times that amount back in fines, asset seizures, etc.

[baseline bum]

I have to get deposed next week because of a lawsuit the company I work for is involved in and I'm praying like hell that the airports get shown down before my flight leaves :lol

That would be hilarious seeing the government try to hire new TSA agents for $0 an hour.

[Will Hunting]

That would be hilarious seeing the government try to hire new TSA agents for $0 an hour.
I don't understand how it's legal to be forcing TSA agents to work without pay but either way I can't imagine it goes on much longer without them completely striking.

[baseline bum]

I don't understand how it's legal to be forcing TSA agents to work without pay but either way I can't imagine it goes on much longer without them completely striking.

TSA screener is a shit job with shit pay. If Trump's shutdown goes on a couple more weeks they'll probably just start quitting en masse since you can't pay rent, groceries, or child support on IOUs.

[Will Hunting]

TSA screener is a shit job with shit pay. If Trump's shutdown goes on a couple more weeks they'll probably just start quitting en masse since you can't pay rent, groceries, or child support on IOUs.

I think one missed paycheck is the absolute most. If there's 2 consecutive missed paychecks I think they all walk off the job.

[Winehole23]

I don't understand how it's legal to be forcing TSA agents to work without pay but either way I can't imagine it goes on much longer without them completely striking.Already calling in sick, I've heard.

When airports are affected maybe our reps and senators will deign to acknowledge the inconvenience not just to 800,000 workers and their families, but to themselves and the rest of us as well.

[DarrinS]

I have to get deposed next week because of a lawsuit the company I work for is involved in and I'm praying like hell that the airports get shown down before my flight leaves :lol

Uggh, that sucks man. Been there, done that.

Lawyers can be assholes. No offense to spurraider. :lol

[baseline bum]

I think one missed paycheck is the absolute most. If there's 2 consecutive missed paychecks I think they all walk off the job.

Aren't we already at two missed paychecks by today? We'll be at four in two weeks.

[Will Hunting]

Already calling in sick, I've heard.

When airports are affected maybe our reps and senators will deign to acknowledge the inconvenience not just to 800,000 workers and their families, but to themselves and the rest of us as well.
Yeah I read that Kennedy and DFW (the airports I'm flying into and out of :lol) are the ones hit hardest by the TSA agents calling in sick.

Thank god I'm already pre-check.

[Will Hunting]

Uggh, that sucks man. Been there, done that.

Lawyers can be assholes. No offense to spurraider. :lol
The one deposing me is supposedly a giant asshole too, I've been told that my deposition will be north of 6 hours long.

[Will Hunting]

Aren't we already at two missed paychecks by today? We'll be at four in two weeks.
If so then I'm really surprised. Idk how a bunch of low income workers can continue to make rent working with no pay for over a month.

[DarrinS]

The one deposing me a supposedly a giant asshole too, I've been told that my deposition will be north of 6 hours long.

Damn

Testifying is a blast, too. :lol

[baseline bum]

Already calling in sick, I've heard.

When airports are affected maybe our reps and senators will deign to acknowledge the inconvenience not just to 800,000 workers and their families, but to themselves and the rest of us as well.

I feel for those TSA screeners right now. On that wage they're living paycheck to paycheck, which means tons of them are taking out predatory payday loans to make rent, eat, pay for gas, etc. But like you said before, they're the swamp to Trump.

[Will Hunting]

Damn

Testifying is a blast, too. :lol

The one time I ever had to testify it was for a friend going through a divorce in family court where the lawyers are all really stupid, so I actually did have fun fucking with his ex-wife's lawyer during cross :lol

[baseline bum]

If so then I'm really surprised. Idk how a bunch of low income workers can continue to make rent working with no pay for over a month.

I imagine largely with payday loans and borrowing from friends and family. They probably got their Dec 21st check even though the shutdown started on the 20th but are missing their Dec 28th and today's check. God that's gotta suck.

[spurraider21]

The one deposing me is supposedly a giant asshole too, I've been told that my deposition will be north of 6 hours long.
:lol condolences

just be an asshole with them tbh. be witty. make them labor through every single word and make sure their question is perfectly phrased. dont do him any favors and help fill in his question. your company's atty has probably already prepped you, but one thing i would always tell a client is to give a slight pause in between the question and the answer. give your atty a chance to process the question and come up with objections before you start your answer.

[baseline bum]

:lol condolences

just be an asshole with them tbh. be witty. make them labor through every single word and make sure their question is perfectly phrased. dont do him any favors and help fill in his question. your company's atty has probably already prepped you, but one thing i would always tell a client is to give a slight pause in between the question and the answer. give your atty a chance to process the question and come up with objections before you start your answer.

Should make him repeat every question too like he can't understand him well. Just ask 'The what?' a lot too. Like in this telemarketing call. :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TC53cq9Muc

[Will Hunting]

:lol condolences

just be an asshole with them tbh. be witty. make them labor through every single word and make sure their question is perfectly phrased. dont do him any favors and help fill in his question. your company's atty has probably already prepped you, but one thing i would always tell a client is to give a slight pause in between the question and the answer. give your atty a chance to process the question and come up with objections before you start your answer.
Yeah I've been pretty well prepped, the key is only answer the question they've asked (i.e., if they ask you "Do you know what time it is?" then answer "Yes, I do know what time it is" rather than giving them the actual time).

[boutons_deux]

"Unlike most federal agencies that use the general schedule (GS) grading system to determine salary ranges,

the TSA uses an SV grading system,

a discrete salary system with pay ranges that differ from the GS system.

Airport security jobs typically begin at the D pay band, which is $25,518 :lol to $38,277"

https://www.federallawenforcement.org/tsa/

TSA, employer of last resort, like the military

[ElNono]

They better not shutter down dem airports before Sunday, tbh...

[baseline bum]

They better not shutter down dem airports before Sunday, tbh...

I'll give you a ride to Jersey if you can bring me some of that llello you're bringing across the river. I just want an equal weight of it, what's that like couple hundred kis?

[Will Hunting]

They better not shutter down dem airports before Sunday, tbh...
I'm hoping for the opposite :lol

[DarrinS]

Yeah I've been pretty well prepped, the key is only answer the question they've asked (i.e., if they ask you "Do you know what time it is?" then answer "Yes, I do know what time it is" rather than giving them the actual time).

It should go better than this one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIxmrvbMeKc

[ElNono]

I'm hoping for the opposite :lol

:lol I wanna get back home... flying out of Dallas too :wow

[Will Hunting]

:lol I wanna get back home... flying out of Dallas too :wow
I’ll see you at the airport if it’s not closed by then :lol

[spurraider21]

They better not shutter down dem airports before Sunday, tbh...
the wife is flying out to N Carolina sunday morning and is flying back on monday evening.

maybe she can spend an extra day or two tbh

[spurraider21]

Yeah I've been pretty well prepped, the key is only answer the question they've asked (i.e., if they ask you "Do you know what time it is?" then answer "Yes, I do know what time it is" rather than giving them the actual time).
this example is quite over the top but it's another good one :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbqAMEwtOE

[baseline bum]

this example is quite over the top but it's another good one :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbqAMEwtOE

:rollin

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1081295578934308865

[spurraider21]

they offered more in exchange for daca. put daca back on the table, i'm sure tones will change for the 5b

[Chris]

DACA was on the table but teamRESIST told Trump to go fuck himself.

[spurraider21]

DACA was on the table but teamRESIST told Trump to go fuck himself.
you're delusional. Democrats offered well over 5 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA and Trump backed out of that deal

[boutons_deux]

DHS presents a PowerPoint on the ‘crisis’ on the border full of false, fear-mongering claims

The only existing immigration crisis was created by the government.


https://i0.wp.com/thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/GettyImages-1089834816.jpg?w=1280&ssl=1


Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), however, reportedly (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-meeting-today-with-republicans-democrats-in-situation-room-as-shutdown-continues-2018-01-02-live-updates/) interrupted the presentation,

titled “A Border Security and Humanitarian Crisis,”

after they objected to what was being discussed.

Nielsen tweeted that she was “disappointed” Democrats did not want hear from DHS about

the “security and humanitarian crisis” of “criminal aliens” at the border. :lol

it is easy to see why Pelosi and Schumer chose not to participate in Nielsen’s briefing.

It utilizes inflated numbers to justify its fear-mongering rhetoric about immigrants.

the first slide, the only way to address

the influx of “drugs, criminals, gangs, and terrorists”

coming across the U.S.-Mexico border is to build a physical border wall.

DHS cites data from Customs and Border Protection (CBP) that suggests a dramatic increase in the amount of illegal drugs seized at the southern border. According to the data, 1.7 million pounds of narcotics were seized by CBP in FY18.

CBP’s own website (https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics), however, shows substantially lower figures —

only 47,945 lbs of cocaine, as opposed to 282,000 lbs, and 67,292 lbs of methamphetamine instead of 248,000 lbs. :lol

CBP’s website also shows that these

drugs are arriving in the U.S. through ports of entry,

meaning Trump’s multi-billion dollar

wall along the border will not prevent illegal drugs from entering the country.

The presentation also reflects the administration’s ongoing effort to

label all Central American immigrants as gang affiliated.

According to the PowerPoint, 17,000 adult migrants with “existing criminal records” were arrested by CBP last year.

labeling all 17,000 immigrants as criminals is a lie by omission (https://twitter.com/ReichlinMelnick/status/1081228379842588672), considering the number could include individuals whose only criminal infraction is illegal entry into the U.S.

etc, etc

https://thinkprogress.org/homeland-security-immigration-border-false-claims-71a82cd0747d/

[Chris]

Nah, Trump had a 12 year plan for 1.8 million "dreamers" and Chuck/Nancy (basically the same entity) told Trump to go fuck himself.

[spurraider21]

Nah, Trump had a 12 year plan for 1.8 million "dreamers" and Chuck/Nancy (basically the same entity) told Trump to go fuck himself.

The White House threatened to veto the bipartisan amendments in a telephone briefing with reporters, calling the proposal from the so-called Common Sense Coalition dead on arrival. A White House official also said they were requesting that Senate offices withdraw their sponsorships of the plan. The bipartisan amendment, backed by Sens. Chuck Schumer, Susan Collins, and others, would have provided a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants benefitting from DACA and $25 billion for border security.

In a statement, the Department of Homeland Security condemned the Collins-Schumer plan as "an egregious violation of the four compromise pillars laid out by the President's immigration reform framework."
https://www.businessinsider.com/immigration-plans-fail-as-trump-goes-to-war-with-republicans-2018-2

[Chris]

https://www.businessinsider.com/immigration-plans-fail-as-trump-goes-to-war-with-republicans-2018-2

Yes, I'm talking about the Grassley amendment which Chuck voted no.


https://votesmart.org/bill/votes/62399#.XDAOMIzPyUk

It's even in your article dude.

[spurraider21]

Yes, I'm talking about the Grassley amendment which Chuck voted no.


https://votesmart.org/bill/votes/62399#.XDAOMIzPyUk

It's even in your article dude.
that's a different version.

but chuck backed a bill providing 25 billion for border security. white house said it would not accept it. chuck offered the wall. trump/grassley wanted even more (diversity lottery, family migration). chuck compromised, and give an inch. they tried to take a mile. that's on them.

[Chris]

967586374261137413


Too bad the Dems just used it as a political wedge, like CC said in the DACA thread.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/967070416148758529

[ElNono]

He isn’t getting a wall, Chris... teehee

[spurraider21]

gullibe chris

"but trump said :madrun"

bottom line is chuck offered 25 billion for border security and trump said no because they also demanded lottery/family migration changes

[DarrinS]

I'm tired of the wall bullsh. Armed drones ftw.

[ElNono]

I'm tired of the wall bullsh. Armed drones ftw.

Robocop, tbh

[DarrinS]

Robocop, tbh


AI (not Iverson) + Boston Dynamics = somewhat terrifying

[ElNono]

AI (not Iverson) + Boston Dynamics = somewhat terrifying

I bet they can do it for less than $5 billion AND put Google ads on them too

[DarrinS]

I bet they can do it for less than $5 billion AND put Google ads on them too

Ok, I laughed

:lol

[Blake]

I bet they can do it for less than $5 billion AND put Google ads on them too

In Spanish because Mexico will be paying for it

[FrostKing]

gullibe chris

"but trump said :madrun"

bottom line is chuck offered 25 billion for border security and trump said no because they also demanded lottery/family migration changes
Spiting yourselves because of migrants

Wish you fellas one day spend even just a short period of time in a nation that is united and has its own peoples well being in mind. But Americans haven't fought to protect itself for centuries, so its like the mindset of a teenager with wealthy parents.

[Pavlov]

lol Poland

[Will Hunting]

Spiting yourselves because of migrants

Wish you fellas one day spend even just a short period of time in a nation that is united and has its own peoples well being in mind. But Americans haven't fought to protect itself for centuries, so its like the mindset of a teenager with wealthy parents.
You’ve lived in America your entire life.

[DMC]

Spiting yourselves because of migrants

Wish you fellas one day spend even just a short period of time in a nation that is united and has its own peoples well being in mind. But Americans haven't fought to protect itself for centuries, so its like the mindset of a teenager with wealthy parents.

Nah, it's more like how the Spurs haven't had a decent 1st overall pick since Tim Duncan.

[ducks]

In fact, illegal immigration costs taxpayers a staggering $134.9 billion a year while contributing only $19 billion in state, federal, and local taxes. At the federal level, medical costs make up the lion’s share of government expenditures on illegal immigrants, while education is the largest single expense that illegal immigration imposes on state and local governments.

[Winehole23]

FAIR's study only looks at costs, not benefits and uses flawed stats for its estimates, says some red-diaper baby at CATO.

https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed

[Winehole23]

omitting one whole side of the ledger book is a tell

[baseline bum]

In fact, illegal immigration costs taxpayers a staggering $134.9 billion a year while contributing only $19 billion in state, federal, and local taxes. At the federal level, medical costs make up the lion’s share of government expenditures on illegal immigrants, while education is the largest single expense that illegal immigration imposes on state and local governments.

And your boy Benedict Donald hires them.

[ducks]

And your boy Benedict Donald hires them.

And your party does not want to stop them from coming in
He hires some because the Americans are lazy and want free handout and not work
Take the welfare away they work

[baseline bum]

And your party does not want to stop them from coming in
He hires some because the Americans are lazy and want free handout and not work
Take the welfare away they work

Your party and president doesn't either. LMAO at a Trumptard defending hiring illegals.

[ducks]

make it harder for them to get hire
if you try to hire legal people and they refuse to work in lettuce fields in yuma the farmers tried that
only to have john fucking maccain to hire the illegals
because no one was working in the lettuce fields because they want the fucking food stamp

[Pavlov]

make it harder for them to get hire
if you try to hire legal people and they refuse to work in lettuce fields in yuma the farmers tried that
only to have john fucking maccain to hire the illegals
because no one was working in the lettuce fields because they want the fucking food stampHow much were they offering white people to work in the lettuce fields?

[ducks]

BULID THE WALL 25 million is cheaper then 289 BILLION


better spend my tax payer money for wall then bullets in syria !

[ducks]

How much were they offering white people to work in the lettuce fields?

more then what the illegals were making

[baseline bum]

make it harder for them to get hire
if you try to hire legal people and they refuse to work in lettuce fields in yuma the farmers tried that
only to have john fucking maccain to hire the illegals
because no one was working in the lettuce fields because they want the fucking food stamp

So McCain has something in common with Trump?

[Pavlov]

more then what the illegals were makingBut how much?

In dollars.

[ducks]

how much do you think they should make?
30 an hour ?
20 an hour?
10 ?
az min wage is 10 now

[Pavlov]

how much do you think they should make?
30 an hour ?
20 an hour?
10 ?
az min wage is 10 nowI'm asking how much they offered white people to work in the lettuce field.

How much?

[ducks]

https://civileats.com/2018/09/03/life-as-a-farmworker-in-yumas-lettuce-fields/

[Pavlov]

https://civileats.com/2018/09/03/life-as-a-farmworker-in-yumas-lettuce-fields/The Association of Farmworker Opportunity Programs describes farm work as “extremely low-wage work … Most farmworkers earn less than $10,000 per year from what is often backbreaking and dangerous labor.”

They're going to have to offer more money for white people to work in the lettuce fields.

[Xevious]

And your party does not want to stop them from coming in
He hires some because the Americans are lazy and want free handout and not work
Take the welfare away they work
That's the typical Republican. Scream about border security, but defend the hiring of illegal immigrants and refuse to crack down on that practice.

[ducks]

What do the American People think about spending $716 Billion/year on defense and running 800 military bases abroad?

It doesn’t matter what we think.

[ducks]

The Association of Farmworker Opportunity Programs describes farm work as “extremely low-wage work … Most farmworkers earn less than $10,000 per year from what is often backbreaking and dangerous labor.”

They're going to have to offer more money for white people to work in the lettuce fields.
10k is better then nothing especially for 3 months of work

[ducks]

That's the typical Republican. Scream about border security, but defend the hiring of illegal immigrants and refuse to crack down on that practice.


Democracts Said build wall now trump there no he wants wall

[Winehole23]

Democracts Said build wall now trump there no he wants wallwell said

[Pavlov]

10k is better then nothing especially for 3 months of work

It's not enough for white people. They should offer more. Supply and demand.

[benefactor]

Democracts Said build wall now trump there no he wants wall
ducks