Woj: Marcus Morris Reneging on Agreement with Spurs?

[JPB]

if he goes to the knicks i hope he gets hurt and is scrambling for a vet min contract for years

... in Iceland.

[r0drig0lac]

KJ can play PF?

SF - Demar/Keldon
PF - Gay/Carroll

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

I'm just happy we have some clarity on who we need to ship out eventually between Dejounte, DWhite, and Lonnie. Walker is gone. Spurs showcasing him in the summer league that's why he's taking so many shots. Walker and Beli for ?

[Dennis the Menace]

Would be nice if someone of media clout/clicks would repost Morris’ tweet from 11/17/18 of “Money don’t define the man!”

I could get reneging on a deal for more money AND it’s a playoff contending team, but to the Knicks after just complaining about playing in Boston wasn’t fun and nobody was having fun? Good grief

[toki9]

Perfect opportunity to bring back Zarko.

Wow, that'a deep cut...

[Mugen]

Walker is gone. Spurs showcasing him in the summer league that's why he's taking so many shots. Walker and Beli for ?

Not sure, but you should maybe kill yourself tbh.

[FkLA]

Is Jon Leuer any good? He looks like he sucks but figured I'd ask.

[anon]

I guess the Timberwolves, Mavericks and who ever else this has happened to is "toothless" as well, LOL?
That's two forwards who have or about to rebuke San Antonio's market and culture for a bigger city in three years. From the same draft class too. :lol Do you think Morris preferring Dolan's "culture" will deter more of these incidents in the future? God forbid Murray develops into half what his bullish fans expect him to be. Pop probably smiled to himself when Murray tore his Achilles, lowering the ceiling on his market value, and consequent interest from the bigger market teams.

[timtonymanu]

Not sure, but you should maybe kill yourself tbh.

:lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

So we have the full MLE. Oubre, Lyles?


Lyles is a reclamation project. He was a lottery pick who just got released at the end of his rookie deal. Not a good sign.

Oubre is restricted. Last night I thought the Suns had to trade him (S&T) to make room for the Rubio signing, but I was corrected - the Suns made another trade to make room, and already signed Rubio. The only way the Spurs can touch Oubre is if he says he wants to be traded, and we negotiate a S&T deal with Phoenix. Oubre and the Suns met on Sunday night, and they lowballed him. Supposedly he and his agent left pissed, but that's a long way from what would have to happen for the Spurs to get him. Bottom line, the Suns can force him to play for their QO this season, and make him a UFA next season. So the Spurs would have to make it worth their while.

[Mr. Body]

Lyles is just another piece of John Calipari wreckage. He has no capability of improving and isn't a smart basketball player. Most Kentucky players are like this -- they can be uber-talented but then just flatline in the NBA, never getting better. We can see Lyles in three years and he'll be the same crappy marginal player he is now. That is, if he's not out of the league.

[r0drig0lac]

Not sure, but you should maybe kill yourself tbh.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[Mugen]

I just want Bryn & Beli traded tbh, hopefully this pushes them closer to doing that :lol

[Payote75]

Typically i would agree with most on free agent renegging, however in the case of a team trading an asset the league should intervene but not by forcing a player to sign as that wouldnt be right nor acceptable in any way but in a trade situation the league should undo everything allowing the player to sign with his chosen team Carrol bk to original deal Bertrans bk to spurs. Now people may say but why should X get screwed but in reality cause of one selfish player the onus should be put on him and players association should dissuade players from renegging because it hurts fellow players and makes the brotherhood look bad. Then the teams can decide where to go from there. Now if other chain reaction moves were made then can't follow the trail but if it was one singular transaction that can be set RT it should.
As far as the Knicks they are truly desperate and pathetic trying to corner the market on bigs to then flip them for picks etc just have enough class to not do it with a Ayer who already committed. That also should probably come into tampering. NBA is dumb once verbal agreement on both sides is reached any other team gets involved it should be tampering a verbal or handshake agreement is still binding.

[Joseph Kony]

if this dude bails the remaining crop of FAs is pretty awful outside of Ourbe who the spurs have no shot at.

i would prefer the spurs just look overseas if we get spurned by this faggot. gotta be another Joe Ingles or two out there

[timtonymanu]

I just want Bryn & Beli traded tbh, hopefully this pushes them closer to doing that :lol

I’d rather have Bryn over Patty but I guess it’s even pointless to speculate that

[JPB]

I just want Bryn & Beli traded tbh, hopefully this pushes them closer to doing that :lol

Let's trade them for some other mofo who will renege on the Spurs for good measure.

We on a roll...

[cd98]

Let’s be real. We don’t want the league to force a player that doesn’t want to be here sign a contract against his will.

[r0drig0lac]

if this dude bails the remaining crop of FAs is pretty awful outside of Ourbe who the spurs have no shot at.

i would prefer the spurs just look overseas if we get spurned by this faggot. gotta be another Joe Ingles or two out there

Quincy Miller and Chris Singleton

[spurraider21]

Typically i would agree with most on free agent rwnegging, however in the case of a team trading an asset the league should intervened but not by forcing a player to sign as that would be rich nor acceptable in any way but in a trade situation the league should undo everything allowing the plate to sign with chosen team Carrol bk to original deal Bertrand bk to spurs. Now people may say but why should X get screwed but in realty cause of one selfish player the onus should be put on him and players association should dissuade players from rwnegging because it hurts fellow plate and makes the brotherhood look bad.
a) no, the league has no power to do that
b) :lmao "bertrand"

[YoungbuckMurray]

Let’s be real. We don’t want the league to force a player that doesn’t want to be here sign a contract against his will.

Easy way to solve this. Don't do agreements do signings

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Is he 100% going to the Knicks?

[DC23]

Lyles is a reclamation project. He was a lottery pick who just got released at the end of his rookie deal. Not a good sign.

Oubre is restricted. Last night I thought the Suns had to trade him (S&T) to make room for the Rubio signing, but I was corrected - the Suns made another trade to make room, and already signed Rubio. The only way the Spurs can touch Oubre is if he says he wants to be traded, and we negotiate a S&T deal with Phoenix. Oubre and the Suns met on Sunday night, and they lowballed him. Supposedly he and his agent left pissed, but that's a long way from what would have to happen for the Spurs to get him. Bottom line, the Suns can force him to play for their QO this season, and make him a UFA next season. So the Spurs would have to make it worth their while.
Suns will match any offer on Oubre. Suns offered Oubre 3 years and he is looking for 4 years. I could see Raptors or Mavs making a play at Oubre, but again fully expect Suns to match.

[UnWantedTheory]

Let’s be real. We don’t want the league to force a player that doesn’t want to be here sign a contract against his will.

There should still be some type of consequence for doing this though.

[Mr. Body]

Easy way to solve this. Don't do agreements do signings

If you'd think about this a little, you'd realize players and teams are all over the place and deals happen fast. You can't get a player into the same room with you in time while other deals have to happen. I mean, just use your brain.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Let’s be real. We don’t want the league to force a player that doesn’t want to be here sign a contract against his will.No, but there should be a substantial fine for backing out of an agreement especially if a team makes roster changes in order to sign a player.

[Dennis the Menace]

Let’s be real. We don’t want the league to force a player that doesn’t want to be here sign a contract against his will.

Let’s be real. We don’t want the league to allow players to agree to play for teams and have that team trade away their home grown talent, just for that player to say “oh wait, I was just fucking with you.”

[Arcadian]

It's just Marcus Morris. I'm not devastated.

[YoungbuckMurray]

If you'd think about this a little, you'd realize players and teams are all over the place and deals happen fast. You can't get a player into the same room with you in time while other deals have to happen. I mean, just use your brain.

Its called e-signing, its very easy really

[Joseph Kony]

Is he 100% going to the Knicks?

No, nothing new since the article from Spears earlier in which he says sources think that Spurs/Morris will eventually agree. but the longer we hear nothing the less good for the spurs it is ...

[Mr. Body]

Its called e-signing, its very easy really

You should call up the league and tell them.

[Dennis the Menace]

Its called e-signing, its very easy really

[bluebellmaniac]

Rich Paul ... Klutch Sports

They also represent Dejounte.

Fuck em all. Blackball them and let it be known that they will never get another deal with this team. With whatever pull Pop has with his coaching tree, have them blackball them too.

There are rules. It's what separates us from the animals.

Also, the league should let NY know that should they sign Morris, they will strip draft pick(s) from them and award them to SA for interfering with their transaction.

[SpursDynasty85]

If you'd think about this a little, you'd realize players and teams are all over the place and deals happen fast. You can't get a player into the same room with you in time while other deals have to happen. I mean, just use your brain.

I've sold and bought homes online all the time. Pretty sure it can be done in the NBA. Tricky part is the physical (due diligence). Players should have a NBA appointed physician to run physicals for all teams prior to free agency.

[Atl Spur]

I totally think this is of low character but it’s better to find out now than later. If he leaves.....he leaves! PATFO will never acquiesce to such bs; don’t burn bridges Mr.Morris.

[YoungbuckMurray]

If you'd think about this a little, you'd realize players and teams are all over the place and deals happen fast. You can't get a player into the same room with you in time while other deals have to happen. I mean, just use your brain.

You told me to use my brain. Its literally the way you could get the contract signed if your not in the same place. Don't know why you feel it is so ridiculous. Maybe you should use your brain

[Mr. Body]

I've sold and bought homes online all the time. Pretty sure it can be done in the NBA. Tricky part is the physical (due diligence). Players should have a NBA appointed physician to run physicals for all teams prior to free agency.

I'm sure 30 franchises will be able to decide on 'a NBA appointed physician'. E-signing and remote physicals aren't reasonable solutions. They won't happen.

[sananspursfan21]

If you'd think about this a little, you'd realize players and teams are all over the place and deals happen fast. You can't get a player into the same room with you in time while other deals have to happen. I mean, just use your brain.

Fans think of this like it’s 2K or something. It’s hard to remember that this stuff is reality and players don’t just show up in an office ready to sign :lol

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

It's just Marcus Morris. I'm not devastated. I'm not really a fan of his but he is a big upgrade over Gay

[Payote75]

a) no, the league has no power to do that
b) :lmao "bertrand"
Lol im doing it off my phone wiseass lol...but it's not a power it's verbal handshake binding. If he changed his mind the deal was contingent on his word it was 3 way delay so it should be vetoed if it's a singular transaction not if it's a snowball of transactions. Why should the spurs be the ones to pay the price? The players association doesn't step in for something like this? Why cause there are no ramifications but if it hurt other players I bet they would step in.

[GreekSpursfan]

He wants to play for the most money not the Knicks, its understandable, fuck him, i wasn't a fan anyway. The very bad thing is that there are no other options out there. We're not winning anything anyways, whatever.

[anon]

Buford should've flown him to SA as soon as he expressed his initial Spurs interest. If he was in the east coast the whole time verbal agreements were being exchanged then no wonder somebody else got to him. Buford getting his "Yes" then hanging up and calling it a day's work. It's just some wing roleplayer anyway :lol

[Atl Spur]

Also, the league should let NY know that should they sign Morris, they will strip draft pick(s) from them and award them to SA for interfering with their transaction.

No need. This type of thing happens everyday in business.... until you secure that sig everything is fair game by law! Poor character yes but not criminal my dude.

[Ron Swanson]

It's not that we're possibly, or more than likely, losing Morris. It's the fact that we traded a player and took on an extra year of Carroll for nothing (or whatever we can get from remaining FAs.)

[tim_duncan_fan]

It would have been nice to have him, but if this is how he is, it probably wouldn't have worked anyway. Probably not a culture guy.

But fuck me is this embarrassing.

And yes, we lost Davis for literally nothing.

We have to fuck this guy up every time we play the Knicks now. Gotta leave him looking like absolute garbage.

[sananspursfan21]

He wants to play for the most money not the Knicks, its understandable, fuck him, i wasn't a fan anyway. The very bad thing is that there are no other options out there. We're not winning anything anyways, whatever.

That’s most of our sentiment. He wasn’t a dream forward, he was just the best on the market and there aren’t any great replacements. That said, he’s a little undersized but I’m kinda intrigued with Justin Holiday

[spurraider21]

Lol im doing it off my phone wiseass lol...but it's not a power it's verbal handshake binding. If he changed his mind the deal was contingent on his word it was 3 way delay so it should be vetoed if it's a singular transaction not if it's a snowball of transactions. Why should the spurs be the ones to pay the price? The players association doesn't step in for something like this? Why cause there are no ramifications but if it hurt other players I bet they would step in.
if they actually want this kind of power, then you have to make it a condition of the other contracts...

ie the spurs and carroll agree to a 3/21 deal on the condition that the spurs are able to execute the trade of bertans to the wizards and are able to acquire marcus morris for the MLE

if you fail to include those conditions, then those outside circumstances won't be considered.

[spurraider21]

It's not that we're possibly, or more than likely, losing Morris. It's the fact that we traded a player and took on an extra year of Carroll for nothing (or whatever we can get from remaining FAs.)
this tbh. but losing out on morris also hurts

[bic50]

Could be a blessing in disguise.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Suns will match any offer on Oubre. Suns offered Oubre 3 years and he is looking for 4 years. I could see Raptors or Mavs making a play at Oubre, but again fully expect Suns to match.


I said he was restricted. That means the Suns can match.
The Spurs can't make an offer, because they don't have any cap room - so it's not even a matter of matching for them.

But no, the Suns wouldn't have matched any offer. They were worried that someone would hand him an offer sheet that they couldn't justify matching. I think Dallas is the only team left with enough cap space to make him a big offer (last I checked). So now they're trying to offer him less than he's worth, from what I understand, because they think it's the best he can get now.

IF Oubre is fed up with the Suns' management, and he demands a trade, the Suns might listen to a S&T deal, just so they don't lose him for nothing next season. Like I said above, that's the only way the Spurs could touch him. I had a little glimmer of hope, until I saw that they made a trade to get the space to sign Rubio. (That's why they dumped Korver.) Now I'd put their chance pretty close to zero.

[TheDoctor]

These stupid fucks already brought in too many veteran rotation players and have an overload of players who either do, can or will have to play his positions . . . but anytime you can screw the Spurs over, you have to do it.

What they're trying/doing is cynical, madness. I mean, w/ the personnel they have, the Knicks don’t need another fucking PF that's entering his 30s. It really does not make sense. They got Morris*, Portis and Ellington which are players that will demand playing time. Are they not thinking in their young talents? What kind of impact that will have on those players which need to develop? Fuck.

[FkLA]

This is franchise altering, at least for this upcoming season. Pop doesn't have many years left. I feel bad for him more than anything. He's still the same honorable guy he's always been but he keeps getting fucked over by pieces of shits.

[SpursDynasty85]

I'm not really a fan of his but he is a big upgrade over Gay

I kind of disagree. He is definitely more versatile. He had his best year on a Boston team that underachieved and Gay at solely the PF position (if a team already had a wing) is at least as good as Marcus Morris at the PF spot. Morris has quicker feet and can gaurd 3's more but I think there is a reason Gay's market value was around $15-16M while Morris only had the Spurs MLE offer when he was trying to "get paid". A lot of that probably had to do with his character issue that people were referring to but if you can get Marcus at $9.3M/yr Spurs had to do it.

[Dex]

if they actually want this kind of power, then you have to make it a condition of the other contracts...

ie the spurs and carroll agree to a 3/21 deal on the condition that the spurs are able to execute the trade of bertans to the wizards and are able to acquire marcus morris for the MLE

if you fail to include those conditions, then those outside circumstances won't be considered.

In that situation, do you really think the Wizards and Carroll are all going to agree to wait around for all the moving parts to get into place?

FAs could be giving up other offers while other teams could be giving up other deals in the interim, and they would be the ones getting dicked if something fell through with Morris.

The situation sucks, but asking one team or FA to agree to conditions on the decision of another FA opens a pandora's box that most free agents aren't going to want to explore.

[Payote75]

if they actually want this kind of power, then you have to make it a condition of the other contracts...

ie the spurs and carroll agree to a 3/21 deal on the condition that the spurs are able to execute the trade of bertans to the wizards and are able to acquire marcus morris for the MLE

if you fail to include those conditions, then those outside circumstances won't be considered.

Agree on that but while this is a major loophole and one that has to be fixed the players association should be on these type of things like white on rice cause every player should have an option and even the right to change their mind but when an asset was given up by ownership that changes the dynamics of the situation entirely. The Ayers aren't owned there contracts are and I lost an asset because of a Ayer renegging the whole deal was predicted on bertans it's not like it was a separate deal so that's why I'm saying league/players association should step in. It's not a good look. If it was just a changing of the mind fine you have that right but I should lose an asset from my team as an owner because you aren't true to your word.

[ZeusWillJudge]

This is franchise altering, at least for this upcoming season. Pop doesn't have many years left. I feel bad for him more than anything. He's still the same honorable guy he's always been but he keeps getting fucked over by pieces of shits.


There are people who will laugh at that, but it's true.

[Payote75]

What would happen if this same situation took place but the team had traded someone with a lot more clout or presence someone that could really have hurt the spurs badly a star changing my profits/teams value as an owner. Then what???

[SpursBills]

Lyles is a reclamation project. He was a lottery pick who just got released at the end of his rookie deal. Not a good sign.

Oubre is restricted. Last night I thought the Suns had to trade him (S&T) to make room for the Rubio signing, but I was corrected - the Suns made another trade to make room, and already signed Rubio. The only way the Spurs can touch Oubre is if he says he wants to be traded, and we negotiate a S&T deal with Phoenix. Oubre and the Suns met on Sunday night, and they lowballed him. Supposedly he and his agent left pissed, but that's a long way from what would have to happen for the Spurs to get him. Bottom line, the Suns can force him to play for their QO this season, and make him a UFA next season. So the Spurs would have to make it worth their while.

Oubre's qualifying offer is 4.5 million I think. Wonder if the spurs can offer 2 years at full MLE with a player option for year 2

[GreekSpursfan]

Zaza is needed for multiple reasons now or should i say targets. Pop, i know you won't look good if you do it but its time to play their game.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

I kind of disagree. He is definitely more versatile. He had his best year on a Boston team that underachieved and Gay at solely the PF position (if a team already had a wing) is at least as good as Marcus Morris at the PF spot. Morris has quicker feet and can gaurd 3's more but I think there is a reason Gay's market value was around $15-16M while Morris only had the Spurs MLE offer when he was trying to "get paid". A lot of that probably had to do with his character issue that people were referring to but if you can get Marcus at $9.3M/yr Spurs had to do it.With Gay you never know how many games you'll get with him and the older he gets the more that achilles injury will affect his game and he was horrible in the playoffs last season.

[tbdog]

This is kinda worse than Jordan and mavs issue because they agreed before you could actually physically sign. This is right and the end of the market and we have traded someone away for this to happen.

[vy65]

The league invites this shit with the moratorium. It’s not respected (see, Kyrie and Kemba). Should just have free agency start July 1.

[GreekSpursfan]

This is franchise altering, at least for this upcoming season. Pop doesn't have many years left. I feel bad for him more than anything. He's still the same honorable guy he's always been but he keeps getting fucked over by pieces of shits.

Its not franchise altering but i 100% agree with the rest.

[SpursDynasty85]

With Gay you never know how many games you'll get with him and the older he gets the more that achilles injury will affect his game and he was horrible in the playoffs last season.

True but with Morris you'll get one year of him learning and then leaving next year. Gay is proven to a great match with the Spurs besides his health concerns.

[BlackAndWhite]

How is Jonas Jerebko?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Oubre's qualifying offer is 4.5 million I think. Wonder if the spurs can offer 2 years at full MLE with a player option for year 2


I keep saying - Oubre is a restricted free agent. Any offer he receives, the Suns have the option to match. There is zero chance that the Spurs can sign him outright. It can't happen.

The ONLY chance would be a sign and trade, and Oubre would pretty much have to be pushing for that to happen. And to give him the kind of salary it would take would pretty much require trading Mills' and Belli's contracts. That sounds great for us, but I can't see any reason why the Suns would be interested. If... IF... Oubre was really pushing to get out of Phoenix, the Suns might listen to deals just to keep from losing him for nothing next year.

Now that the Suns have signed Rubio, there's really no leverage on them. The chance of getting him now is pretty close to zero. Forget about it.

[GAustex]

This what I said in the thread from Shams about Morris signing
“Wonder how Pop handles the first time he drops into “about this life””

Well Pop we are waiting
And this went down faster than even I thought it would

[Dennis the Menace]

Would love for a reporter to ask Dejounte his thoughts especially sharing the same agency. The people want him to be the next Parker. Well step up and be the leader, we all want it

[Mr. Body]

Would love for a reporter to ask Dejounte his thoughts especially sharing the same agency. The people want him to be the next Parker. Well step up and be the leader, we all want it

I think Murray needs to drop Klutch if he wants to show he might want to stay with the Spurs, even a small sign of solidarity. My guess is R.C. and Pop won't deal with the agency again, especially by past behavior.

[BacktoBasics]

Oubre's qualifying offer is 4.5 million I think. Wonder if the spurs can offer 2 years at full MLE with a player option for year 2

That would be an instantaneous match from the Suns. I'm sure Oubre is wanting close to 20 mil and the Suns are wanting to match somewhere in the 14-16 range. Way out of MLE type of money. I would prefer Oubre to Morris but I don't see it happening.

[spurtime]

Oubre's qualifying offer is 4.5 million I think. Wonder if the spurs can offer 2 years at full MLE with a player option for year 2
He wouldn't sign that offer. And even if he did PHX would gladly match since it is below his realistic market value. The only way to get him is if PHX would agree to a sign and trade...Which is unlikely based on what we would be willing to offer and on what they would be willing to take. No matter how stupid their front office is, I refuse to believe that they are that stupid.

[RD2191]

But seriously though, hopefully this faggot has a career ender if he signs with the Knicks.

[UZER]

It would have been nice to have him, but if this is how he is, it probably wouldn't have worked anyway. Probably not a culture guy.

But fuck me is this embarrassing.

And yes, we lost Davis for literally nothing.

We have to fuck this guy up every time we play the Knicks now. Gotta leave him looking like absolute garbage.

Are you kidding? Pop will run to him at half court after the game to give him one of his Joe Biden groping hugs.

[Ron Swanson]

But seriously though, hopefully this faggot has a career ender if he signs with the Knicks.

Just signing with the Knicks is usually a career ender.

[RD2191]

Are you kidding? Pop will run to him at half court after the game to give him one of his Joe Biden groping hugs.

:lmao it's sad how true this is

[Big P]

This is franchise altering, at least for this upcoming season. Pop doesn't have many years left. I feel bad for him more than anything. He's still the same honorable guy he's always been but he keeps getting fucked over by pieces of shits.

Maybe he needs to look in the mirror, tbh.

[FlAVaK]

I think the Klutch whining is a bit overblown but ..... Pop refused to talk to Arn Tellem for like a decade after Lamond Murray reneged back in 2001. Maybe even longer, tbh.

1999 not 2001

https://www.si.com/vault/1999/11/01/268794/1-san-antonio-spurs-despite-their-shopping-failures-the-champs-still-have-the-goods-to-repeat

[r0drig0lac]

I'd rather give a min. contract to Ben Moore than sign Lyles

[YoungbuckMurray]

Livingston was just waived

[ZeusWillJudge]

I don't think Darius Miller has inked his deal with the Pels yet. The Spurs should go poach him from them. A 2/16 deal with the second year 50 percent guaranteed would get it done. Is that the way things are done now?

[Mugen]

This is franchise altering, at least for this upcoming season. Pop doesn't have many years left. I feel bad for him more than anything. He's still the same honorable guy he's always been but he keeps getting fucked over by pieces of shits.

No country for old men, unfortunately.

[Chomag]

Dang no-one respects our FO

[Budkin]

Wow he just fucked us HARD.

[Chillen]

Not a big loss really if he doesn't want to be here fine, it just sucks we traded Bertans for nothing pretty much.

[Blackhaus]

If this happened to a big market team it would be talked all over the place

[Joseph Kony]

Not a big loss really if he doesn't want to be here fine, it just sucks we traded Bertans for nothing pretty much.

exactly. the biggest issue is that we traded Davis on his word, and now we lost a rotation player for no reason :pctoss

[GreekSpursfan]

Yeah we know the Knicks are a joke but lets be real, its not like he was gonna win a chip coming here and he blew that opportunity. He had to choose between SA and NY and he would get more money playing in NY city. The choice is obvious and everyone of us would do the same probably. He's a weak- ass motherf. piece of shit bitch but i understand him.

[UZER]

If this happened to a big market team it would be talked all over the place

Yup. And the only reason Kawhi didn’t catch more hell for messing up the Lakers was because he spurned them for the clippers and still ended up in the LA market.

[Mr. Body]

If this happened to a big market team it would be talked all over the place

ESPN drives the narratives now. They gave up on objective reporting long ago.

[Joseph Kony]

Yeah we know the Knicks are a joke but lets be real, its not like he was gonna win a chip coming here and he blew that opportunity. He had to choose between SA and NY and he would get more money playing in NY city. The choice is obvious and everyone of us would do the same probably. He's a weak- ass motherf. piece of shit bitch but i understand him.
considering they're like going to try to flip him and everyone else they've signed during the summer at the deadline except maybe Randle, he'd have to be dumb to trade an opportunity to play with a decent team and get minutes to play with a trash team thats going to trade him 4 months into the season most likely anyway. not like the difference between 10 and 15 million is that much when you consider the taxes in NY vs TX and cost of living

[RD2191]

Just signing with the Knicks is usually a career ender.

:lol true

[Mr. Body]

considering they're like going to try to flip him and everyone else they've signed during the summer at the deadline except maybe Randle, he'd have to be dumb to trade an opportunity to play with a decent team and get minutes to play with a trash team thats going to trade him 4 months into the season most likely anyway. not like the difference between 10 and 15 million is that much when you consider the taxes in NY vs TX and cost of living

Except the team they're flipping him to is the Lakers. I mean, it's crazy to let an agency operate to the benefit of a player still in the league.

[Joseph Kony]

Except the team they're flipping him to is the Lakers. I mean, it's crazy to let an agency operate to the benefit of a player still in the league.

he would look like even more of a bitchmade faggot considering he scoffed the idea of playing for the Lakers like two days ago :lol

[DJR210]

Just signing with the Knicks is usually a career ender.

:lol

[Mr. Body]

he would look like even more of a bitchmade faggot considering he scoffed the idea of playing for the Lakers like two days ago :lol

He has a screw loose.

[anon]

Maybe DeMar can use his clout to convince Marcus to renege on Dolan. It worked for Cousins, didn't it?

[picnroll]

Knicks is a pretty stupid choice by Morris. He isn’t going to get as many minutes, as significant minutes with the Knicks as the Spurs, particularly when they’re out of contention after the first week of the season and are playing the young guys. He could increase his value for a 20-21 contract much more with the Spurs. Guess he’s just a dumb shit.

[GreekSpursfan]

considering they're like going to try to flip him and everyone else they've signed during the summer at the deadline except maybe Randle, he'd have to be dumb to trade an opportunity to play with a decent team and get minutes to play with a trash team thats going to trade him 4 months into the season most likely anyway. not like the difference between 10 and 15 million is that much when you consider the taxes in NY vs TX and cost of living


I hear you but living in NY, come on.

[Chillen]

So it's not official yet? He didn't sign with Knicks yet did he?

[slick'81]

Knicks is a pretty stupid choice by Morris. He isn’t going to get as many minutes, as significant minutes with the Knicks as the Spurs, particularly when they’re out of contention after the first week of the season and are playing the young guys. He could increase his value for a 20-21 contract much more with the Spurs. Guess he’s just a dumb shit.


All about the money bro

[Budkin]

If only we had a guy like Bertans...

[slick'81]

So it's not official yet? He didn't sign with Knicks yet did he?


Not yet.stil a chance he doesnt fck the spurs over

[Joseph Kony]

So it's not official yet? He didn't sign with Knicks yet did he?

Nope

[Gordy58]

Maybe we can somehow get Iggy if Morris bolts

[slick'81]

Man i knew 10 per on that contract was great from morris.Dont see him walking away from $15

[Joseph Kony]

Maybe we can somehow get Iggy if Morris bolts

he is solid for a real contender but for a team like the Spurs, would be a huge downgrade in the RS. made of glass, cant shoot, only really steps up at end of the season. he's like an oft injured Robert horry without a 3 pointer

[widowmaker]

After so many pages has he officially re-nigged?

[boutons_deux]

pretty sure even if he stays with Spurs, he's fucked himself with the Spurs, who will probably be looking to trade him asap after he signs

[NameLess Scrub]

He'd rather play for the Knicks????

He'd rather get paid more.

[Holden_Caulfield]

Jon Leuer has entered the chat...

[Laughing Gravy]

Worst goddam fucking generation of spoiled faggots ever. Adam Silver being the millennial sjw pandering cuck is not helping....

[Chillen]

Can't Spurs just match the Knicks offer problem solved.

[duncan2k5]

After so many pages has he officially re-nigged?

The word isn't renigged

[RD2191]

After so many pages has he officially re-nigged?

Is it racist?

[slick'81]

Can't Spurs just match the Knicks offer problem solved.


With what money

[Marcus Bryant]

Morris likely could've increased his value next summer with a solid stint in SA next season, now he'll be sharing minutes with the other 5 Knick power forwards. Good riddance.

[CGD]

Is there anyway to restructure the Bertans deal, so that I stead of that structure the spurs get a trade exception back? Would rather sign Carrol with the MLE and then have space to absorb someone, for example, whoever Miami dumps in a Westbrook trade (eg winslow)

[ZeusWillJudge]

:pop: "I'm excited for Marcus, getting that much more money. If this helps the plight of just one black man in America, it's worth it."

[Proxy]

feel like this is something the team and the patfo would rather just move on from regardless if he signs with the knicks

[UZER]

After so many pages has he officially re-nigged?

When he agreed to sign with the Spurs he de-nigged. If he signs with NY he’ll re-nigg.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

It’s rare for a low-character guy to change his stripes. This was an aggressive signing by the Spurs...I’m not shocked Morris phucked us.

[slick'81]

It’s rare for a low-character guy to change his stripes. This was an aggressive signing by the Spurs...I’m not shocked Morris phucked us.


For real spurs pushed all the right buttons and then this bs..now were actually talking about ryan fckn anderson

[lmbebo]

One of the twitter hacks / "reporters" postulating that this is payback for Spurs advising Dell Demps to nix the the AD trade last year ....

[slick'81]

One of the twitter hacks / "reporters" postulating that this is payback for Spurs advising Dell Demps to nix the the AD trade last year ....


Bottom line this is marcus Morris decision

[SpursDynasty85]

:pop: "I'm excited for Marcus, getting that much more money. If this helps the plight of just one black man in America, it's worth it."

Playing the race card I see.

[JPB]

Worst goddam fucking generation of spoiled faggots ever. Adam Silver being the millennial sjw pandering cuck is not helping....

Silver never had the shoulder nor charisma to be a comish... Just an hard working, assistant guy with a few interesting ideas you get on your team not on top...

Nobody respects or is afraid of him.

For all its flaws, Stern wasn't afraid to to do his thing, like when he vetoed the CP3 thread, or hardly sanctioned Minny for giving players cash under the table...

Sure What Morris did isn't illegal, but I'm pretty sure Stern wouldn't have just let it go like that...

[Dverde]

Madam Silver has to get in here and kill this deal. Stuff like this cannot be allowed. Only punishment is Knicks can’t sign him this offseason. I would be upset if this happened to another team minus the Lakers. The only thing that compares is the Boozer debacle. If it was like Korver who changed his mind because of his wife that shit is tolerable. Homeboy only wants more money that wasn’t available at the time he signed. What’s dumber is with state taxes and agent fees, probably only a couple million extra.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I understand your pessimism. You have Jason Garrett in your avi on a Spurs forum.
Or some cat that looks like him in a clown Cowboys hat...
Either way.

What hope is there, when you're a Cowboys fan?

Garrett is a COTY and the Cowboys have a top 3 roster in the NFL currently. There is hope, unlike with Poop and the SA Shits :lol

[DPG21920]

The league needs to do something about Klutch. They tamper more than any agency and collude more than anyone I can imagine. They ruin franchise and purposely harm teams for many reasons.

If the league doesn’t formally do something, nba teams need to collude to blackball Klutch client.s

[JPB]

Watch Pop keep Klutch clients out of team USA for the next Olympics...

[ICEBARREL]

:lmao :lmao Spurms fans. This is what you salty faggots get. Karma this and karma that for Kawhi, looks like the Karma is coming the Spurs way. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO :lmao :lmao

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/998/529/094.jpg

[td4mvp2k]

It’s rare for a low-character guy to change his stripes. This was an aggressive signing by the Spurs...I’m not shocked Morris phucked us.
Yup **** him

[Genovaswitness]

honestly though, what a low class move. there's nothing the spurs did incorrectly in this

[slick'81]

Cme on pop reach out to marcus and work ur mojo

[DPG21920]

“Hey I want to increase my value on a one year deal with more money since no one was interested in me this year. I know! I will publicly ruin all my credibility and damage a relationship with one of the premiere franchises in the nba who know everyone! YA”!

[Degoat]

Let’s wait and hear what Morris decides guys, it’s BS he’s reconsidering but whether we like it or not but we need him to come to SA

[DPG21920]

But thats bullsh*t timvp saying the Klutch stuff is overblown. It’s not. It’s the most shady colluding agency I’ve ever seen. They go scorched earth trying to ruin and harm teams.

[RD2191]

Let’s wait and hear what Morris decides guys, it’s BS he’s reconsidering but whether we like it or not but we need him to come to SA

Imagine if he was reading all of these posts. :lol

[Atl Spur]

Pop will make a mental note and keep it pushing! No need bitch & moan about this dude; everybody plays the fool sometimes!!!

[RD2191]

But thats bullsh*t timvp saying the Klutch stuff is overblown. It’s not. It’s the most shady colluding agency I’ve ever seen. They go scorched earth trying to ruin and harm teams.

Any other examples? I don't keep up with much lol

[slick'81]

But thats bullsh*t timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) saying the Klutch stuff is overblown. It’s not. It’s the most shady colluding agency I’ve ever seen. They go scorched earth trying to ruin and harm teams.


Completely agree

[Dennis the Menace]

He’s getting bad agent advice from Klutch Sports, plain and simple. If his objective is to get a big contract after next season (which he can opt out from Spurs) then what’s going to create more value for him? A deep playoff or championship run with the Spurs or a tank season with the Knicks? The difference being $1.2 million after tax difference as a sacrifice

Thats bad advice from his agency, imo

[duncan2k5]

There's nothing u can do, really... Nothing was signed... Can't be mad at players for changing their mind...teams have that same luxury

[Dennis the Menace]

We need him more than the Knicks

[ducks]

I hope
Murray fires his agent !

[Mr. Body]

But thats bullsh*t timvp saying the Klutch stuff is overblown. It’s not. It’s the most shady colluding agency I’ve ever seen. They go scorched earth trying to ruin and harm teams.

Timvp is wrong on this issue.

[Dennis the Menace]

He can create a bigger market value/demand in a deep playoff season than a tank season. With a $1-$2 million difference after taxes of sacrifice. It doesn’t make sense for him to choose Knicks

[Dverde]

Let’s wait and hear what Morris decides guys, it’s BS he’s reconsidering but whether we like it or not but we need him to come to SA

He gone. It’s about whether the league gets involved in this shady deal. Because of the amount of tampering, this garbage may push them over the edge to actually do something.

[vy65]

To that point, the NBA is sensitive to concerns voiced by teams in smaller and medium markets that in spite of supermax contract extensions and other collectively-bargained rules designed to incentivize stars to remain with their teams, many stars seem to gravitate towards larger market teams once they become free agents. Durant is one example. Gordon Hayward, who left the Utah Jazz for the Celtics, is another. Davis will likely become another example. Through Paul, Davis is not only attempting to force the Pelicans to trade him but also trade him to one of two preferred teams—thought to be the Lakers or the Knicks—both of which happen to play in the two largest markets in the U.S.

Even if Paul is taking orders from James, he would likely not run afoul of the NBA. This is because Paul is not governed by the league’s anti-tampering policy found in Articles 35 and 35A of the NBA constitution. As worded, the policy governs players, owners, team executives, coaches, referees and other team employees as well as representatives of teams, owners or the NBA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.com/nba/2019/01/29/anthony-davis-trade-rumors-pelicans-lakers-lebron-james-rich-paul-klutch-sports

Interesting article

[Dverde]

He can create a bigger market value/demand in a deep playoff season than a tank season. With a $1-$2 million difference after taxes of sacrifice. It doesn’t make sense for him to choose Knicks

In theory, some playoff team will give the Knicks a second rounder for Morris in a playoff push. It’s a solid smart move if he didn’t have an agreement in place. I have no doubt he’ll be in the playoffs just on a different team.

[vy65]

And lol thinking this shit is some kinda scarlet letter. He beat the fuck out of somebody and sat through a trial and the Spurs still wanted him. Given that, you think another team will be deterred because he reneged?

[J_Paco]

That's two forwards who have or about to rebuke San Antonio's market and culture for a bigger city in three years. From the same draft class too. :lol Do you think Morris preferring Dolan's "culture" will deter more of these incidents in the future? God forbid Murray develops into half what his bullish fans expect him to be. Pop probably smiled to himself when Murray tore his Achilles, lowering the ceiling on his market value, and consequent interest from the bigger market teams.

1) The bigger markets will always have an advantage in attracting FA's over smaller markets (including the Spurs and their vaunted "system" or "culture"). You didn't see players clamoring to go to Utah unless they were getting paid in the 90's or early 00's, did you?

2) Money (like in this case) talks and bullshit walks.......

3) Murray tore his ACL, genius. If the team comes with a fair market deal ($12 - $15 million per year depending on how well he plays) he'll likely sign and this will be all moot. It does make Klutch Sports look bad that they continued to negotiate with other parties when they had a deal in place.

4) Sports, like every other business, is shady as fuck. Spurs are again victims to the shady stuff, but will likely take the high road (as usual).

[Genovaswitness]

1) The bigger markets will always have an advantage in attracting FA's over smaller markets (including the Spurs and their vaunted "system" or "culture"). You didn't see players clamoring to go to Utah unless they were getting paid in the 90's or early 00's, did you?

2) Money (like in this case) talks and bullshit walks.......

3) Murray tore his ACL, genius. If the team comes with a fair market deal ($12 - $15 million per year depending on how well he plays) he'll likely sign and this will be all moot. It does make Klutch Sports look bad that they continued to negotiate with other parties when they had a deal in place.

4) Sports, like every other business, is shady as fuck. Spurs are again victims to the shady stuff, but will likely take the high road (as usual).

cuck take tbh

[Ryvin1]

There are a lot of teams with Spurs ties in the front office, lots of teams aren't going to trust Morris or RP

[GusT15]

Any other examples? I don't keep up with much lol

Eric Bledsoe "I don't wanna be here" tweet to force a trade.
Jordan Clarkson trade to the Cavs-which Lebron (Klutch) approved just so the Lakers had the $$ to offer him the max in the summer.
Bloated contracts to JR Smith and Tristan that Lebron (Klutch) demanded at his time with the Cavs and the Cavs never managed to move after LeBron went to LA.
Anthony Davis trade request towards the Pelicans to get him to LA.
Rich Paul trying to get Walton fired for the entirety of last season.
Rich Paul playing an active role in the search for the next Laker HC.He couldn't get Lue the job but he managed to sneak in Kidd as an assistant.

[Dennis the Menace]

1) The bigger markets will always have an advantage in attracting FA's over smaller markets (including the Spurs and their vaunted "system" or "culture"). You didn't see players clamoring to go to Utah unless they were getting paid in the 90's or early 00's, did you?

2) Money (like in this case) talks and bullshit walks.......

3) Murray tore his ACL, genius. If the team comes with a fair market deal ($12 - $15 million per year depending on how well he plays) he'll likely sign and this will be all moot. It does make Klutch Sports look bad that they continued to negotiate with other parties when they had a deal in place.

4) Sports, like every other business, is shady as fuck. Spurs are again victims to the shady stuff, but will likely take the high road (as usual).

This is key. It’s not a good look for players being represented by this group

[RD2191]

Eric Bledsoe "I don't wanna be here" tweet to force a trade.
Jordan Clarkson trade to the Cavs-which Lebron (Klutch) approved just so the Lakers had the $$ to offer him the max in the summer.
Bloated contracts to JR Smith and Tristan that Lebron (Klutch) demanded at his time with the Cavs and the Cavs never managed to move after LeBron went to LA.
Anthony Davis trade request towards the Pelicans to get him to LA.
Rich Paul trying to get Walton fired for the entirety of last season.
Rich Paul playing an active role in the search for the next Laker HC.He couldn't get Lue the job but he managed to sneak in Kidd as an assistant.

Sounds like Rich Paul needs a bat to the knees tbh

[GusT15]

Sounds like Rich Paul needs a bat to the knees tbh

Sounds like the NBA needs a different commissioner tbh

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1779155


NBA commissioner Adam Silver confirmed a report (https://www.thescore.com/news/1759314) that LeBron James (https://www.thescore.com/nba/players/72)' agent, Rich Paul, approached him in a restaurant in November and complained about now-former Los Angeles Lakers (https://www.thescore.com/nba/teams/18) coach Luke Walton."(Paul) was in the same restaurant," Silver said on ESPN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4nRhjW4_Xg). "There were two people sitting there. He sat down for a second, and I think he said something along the lines that 'Luke Walton is not the right guy to coach LeBron.'
"My reaction was to shrug my shoulders and maybe say, 'Well, who do you think is the right guy to coach?'" Silver continued. "And he mentioned a name and that was that. I think as commissioner, I don't want to shut people off who have a point of view."

The name Paul mentioned was reportedly Tyronn Lue, who previously coached James with the Cleveland Cavaliers.

[Killakobe81]

No it didn't. It started with Kobe forcing his way to the Lakers on draft day because he knew he wasn't good enough to elevate a small-market team.

This "player empowerment era" all started with him getting to collude with the Lakers and then have the media blame the Hornets for it.

Hahaha LeBron semen shielding still
He a Laker now shield away!!!

[timtonymanu]

Silver is such an unlikable faggot. At least David stern was upfront about his douchebaggery. Silver tries to appeal to SJWs and that “don’t call them owner” nonsense. But the nba is totally shit in quality and he could care less about it

[TrueSpursFan]

Should the spurs make a move before Morris makes a decision? Would that make the spurs look better or worse? We wouldn’t look desperate and powerless if they did. What do you all think?

[J_Paco]

cuck take tbh

I'm not pleased and the team should take the deal off the table. This is a terrible precedent but not the first time it has happened (even to the Spurs) unfortunately. But, Pop and R.C. don't operate based on what I or anyone on here thinks.

I'll be upset and disappointed, but the Spurs will either acquire his service or move on.

And I'm the "cuck" when half you buffoons defend and praise a guy who bailed on this very team.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Sounds like Rich Paul needs a bat to the knees tbh

Maybe Manu saved on or two.

[J_Paco]

Sounds like the NBA needs a different commissioner tbh

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1779155

Silver is pretty spineless, man.

[spurraider21]

Silver is such an unlikable faggot. At least David stern was upfront about his douchebaggery. Silver tries to appeal to SJWs and that “don’t call them owner” nonsense. But the nba is totally shit in quality and he could care less about it
he's a very pro-player commissioner, and the league is thriving...

[YoungbuckMurray]

Why would rich Paul complain to the commissioner about lebrons coach? He does know he doesn’t have anything to do with hiring and firing coaches. Man the NBA is a joke league off the court

[Gordy58]

At this point I don’t want him on the team, fuck this guy. Says a lot about his character. I’m cool with just letting Lonnie Walker get some backup minutes at the three

[ZeusWillJudge]

Sounds like the NBA needs a different commissioner tbh

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1779155


Wow, I hadn't seen that. Silver should have called him out immediately, and then made a public statement. Instead he doesn't want to "cut off people who have a point of view". Hell, people who tamper have a point of view. Tim Donaghy had a point of view. Part of his job is to shut that shit down. The appearance of wrongdoing is just as damaging.

And the part you quoted wasn't the end. He went on to say:


"I know Jeanie knows how to manage a team," Silver said. "Sure, when things start to go wrong, a lot of fingers get pointed. But they'll figure it out."

He just said that they don't know what they're doing, and they've been fucking things up. (That's why the fingers get pointed.) "But they'll figure it out." That's not a compliment, and it's not a sincere vote of confidence. It's him weakening Jeanie Buss' position.

I've always hated that bald-headed albino pillow-biter. But I'm way past sick of him over the last couple of seasons.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ExpressNews/status/1148773930473328641

[timvp]

But thats bullsh*t timvp saying the Klutch stuff is overblown. It’s not. It’s the most shady colluding agency I’ve ever seen. They go scorched earth trying to ruin and harm teams.

RIF.

What's overblown is those tantruming and thinking the Spurs should trade away Murray because he's a Klutch client. That is overblown, clearly.

At least wait until Morris completes the reneging before you start calling for Murray's head, tbh.

[Joseph Kony]

kinda wish the spurs would just rescind the offer and move on then. i mean yeah this dude bolsters our roster but holy fuck man, what a piece of shit for even skipping his physical and bulling this kinda BS. do we even want a guy like this on the roster? fuck this dude tbh

[Mr. Body]

RIF.

What's overblown is those tantruming and thinking the Spurs should trade away Murray because he's a Klutch client. That is overblown, clearly.

At least wait until Morris completes the reneging before you start calling for Murray's head, tbh.

No one's said that.

[SpursDynasty85]

No one's said that.

They have. People are posting like crazy past 4 hours. You probably missed it. Overreacting to TIMVP's reaction, tbh.

[RD2191]

kinda wish the spurs would just rescind the offer and move on then. i mean yeah this dude bolsters our roster but holy fuck man, what a piece of shit for even skipping his physical and bulling this kinda BS. do we even want a guy like this on the roster? fuck this dude tbh

Skipped physical?

[Dennis the Menace]

Hopefully Dejounte realizes his agency is fucking up with his team, which is equivalent to fucking with his career

[Joseph Kony]

Skipped physical?

https://sports.yahoo.com/marcus-morris-considering-reneging-on-deal-with-spurs-in-favor-of-knicks-211335219.html

[ZeusWillJudge]

RIF.

What's overblown is those tantruming and thinking the Spurs should trade away Murray because he's a Klutch client. That is overblown, clearly.

At least wait until Morris completes the reneging before you start calling for Murray's head, tbh.


Wait till something has actually happened before organizing the lynchin' party. That's always a good policy.

But instead of getting rid of Murray, maybe the Spurs should strongly suggest that he get a new agency. I wonder of Klutch would think that was over the line?

[Marcus Bryant]

First off, the league would never do jack to the Knicks. It's not like it could do anything that the Knicks organization hasn't done to itself. Not to mention that the payoff by screwing the Spurs over (probably a low 1st round pick from a contender along with scraps to make the money work at best in a trade deadline deal for Morris) is low relative to pissing off another franchise you may want to do business with in the future. But, alas, they are the Knicks and they've spent free agency signing 5 different power forwards after reportedly not even offering the max to Durant.

Next, if a player is going to bail after giving his word then not someone you can trust on your team. The black and silver lining is even if he backed up his commitment he'd probably be gone next summer, but at least that would've been a season. Now the Spurs have to dig deep into the bargain bin, or pull off a trade and give up value to fill the spot.

And, how can you not fault Morris' reps? Not a good look continuing to shop a deal for a player after you've reached an agreement with a team. Murray having the same reps is a concern and could very well impact how they approach future decisions involving him. Fool me once....

[Dennis the Menace]

RIF.

What's overblown is those tantruming and thinking the Spurs should trade away Murray because he's a Klutch client. That is overblown, clearly.

At least wait until Morris completes the reneging before you start calling for Murray's head, tbh.

We aren’t calling for Dejounte’s head. Essentially the entire fanbase loves him and wants him to be the future. It’s just he needs to realize his agency, despite not messing with his contract, is negatively impacting his team and his career with a weaker supporting cast by non respectable/ethical business activities

[slick'81]

How the fck is this murrays fault:lol

[RD2191]

https://sports.yahoo.com/marcus-morris-considering-reneging-on-deal-with-spurs-in-favor-of-knicks-211335219.html

Wow

[MannyIsGod]

No one's said that.


Uhhh lots of people said that earlier in this thread.

[DPG21920]

RIF.

What's overblown is those tantruming and thinking the Spurs should trade away Murray because he's a Klutch client. That is overblown, clearly.

At least wait until Morris completes the reneging before you start calling for Murray's head, tbh.

Oh - if that is the angle absolutely. But I am talking about the real damage and real backhandedness of this agency. Sure, it’s always been SORT OF a thing with power broker agents but this is next level colluding and harm.

This has nothing to do with Murray but it would be powerful if Murray stood up for SA here and changed representation

[Big P]

Lamond Murray part two.

[timvp]

No one's said that.

?

Yes they have. Read the thread. Let me know if you want me to provide quotes :tu

[weebo]

I was onboard with the signing only because Morris had a pretty decent year for Boston last year but meh. The dude isn’t a game changer and who knows how he would fit on this team’s structured style of play.

[GusT15]

Honest question

IF this is a power move from Morris to get a roster spot for his childhood friend Thomas Robinson over Eubanks,what do you do?

a)Tell him to go fuck himself?

b)Tell him to go fuck himself all the way to NY?

c)Tell him to go fuck himself and then cut Robinson from the SL team?

d)All of the above,with another Fuck Morris as a goodbye note?

[UZER]

?

Yes they have. Read the thread. Let me know if you want me to provide quotes :tu

Good luck with the “search” feature.

[apalisoc_9]

Should aggressively puruse covington tbh.

[ZeusWillJudge]

How the fck is this murrays fault:lol


It's not Murray's fault. That's why I said - tell Murray that it's going to be hard for the team to work with him going forward, if they have to go through an agency that they fundamentally cannot trust. "We know you're a trustworthy person, DeJounte. So we know you don't want to be associated with that kind of dishonesty."

Paul would go screaming to Silver in minutes, demanding that he take some kind of action.

[Gino20]

I think Morris is gone. As others have mentioned, you have to question whether you would still want him on the team after this anyway. I think the team must think they have a chance of still signing him if they haven’t moved on. I would think they would have moved quickly before the pool of free agents gets even worse.

[Mr. Body]

They have. People are posting like crazy past 4 hours. You probably missed it. Overreacting to TIMVP's reaction, tbh.

Like what, two people? Criticism of Klutch is natural, even vital. Timvp was saying that it's not. He's trying to walk back his statement and it's not working. He was wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

So, as far as player empowerment goes, I don't mind it honestly. Yeah it sucks when it doesn't work out for the team, but honestly I'd rather the NBA players have the power than some rich white owner. What Kawhi did was fucked and shitty, but owners have done far worse. So have GMs. Isiah Thomas anyone?

That being said, there needs to be enforcement of tampering rules. I'm not sure if this falls into that category as its still unclear if Morris is going to reneg and whether or not it was suggested and put forth by his agency or whether or not he's just being an asshole who's word doesn't mean shit.

[MannyIsGod]

Like what, two people? Criticism of Klutch is natural, even vital. Timvp was saying that it's not. He's trying to walk back his statement and it's not working. He was wrong.

Yeah sounds just like vintage Timvp. Just walking shit back because he mouths off so much. Pick your battles. This one is fucking stupid.

[Big P]

So, as far as player empowerment goes, I don't mind it honestly. Yeah it sucks when it doesn't work out for the team, but honestly I'd rather the NBA players have the power than some rich white owner. What Kawhi did was fucked and shitty, but owners have done far worse. So have GMs. Isiah Thomas anyone?

That being said, there needs to be enforcement of tampering rules. I'm not sure if this falls into that category as its still unclear if Morris is going to reneg and whether or not it was suggested and put forth by his agency or whether or not he's just being an asshole who's word doesn't mean shit.


libs..always gotta play the race card...sad

[vy65]

So, as far as player empowerment goes, I don't mind it honestly. Yeah it sucks when it doesn't work out for the team, but honestly I'd rather the NBA players have the power than some rich white owner. What Kawhi did was fucked and shitty, but owners have done far worse. So have GMs. Isiah Thomas anyone?

That being said, there needs to be enforcement of tampering rules. I'm not sure if this falls into that category as its still unclear if Morris is going to reneg and whether or not it was suggested and put forth by his agency or whether or not he's just being an asshole who's word doesn't mean shit.

This is absurd. It’s one thing to be about player empowerment, and another to turn the other cheek when a deal is reneged. This wasn’t some tentative contract they agreed to - it had terms, salary, and a duration. There’s a coloravle argument that it’s an enforceable contract despite being verbal. “Player empowerment” here looks no different than Player X saying I wanna play somewhere else in the middle of his deal.

[DPG21920]

So, as far as player empowerment goes, I don't mind it honestly. Yeah it sucks when it doesn't work out for the team, but honestly I'd rather the NBA players have the power than some rich white owner. What Kawhi did was fucked and shitty, but owners have done far worse. So have GMs. Isiah Thomas anyone?

That being said, there needs to be enforcement of tampering rules. I'm not sure if this falls into that category as its still unclear if Morris is going to reneg and whether or not it was suggested and put forth by his agency or whether or not he's just being an asshole who's word doesn't mean shit.

If this were the nfl I’d buy the rich white owner stuff, but nba players have it better than anyone and there needs to be balance and it’s tipped wayyyyy to far at the moment and causing real harm.

[spurraider21]

Should aggressively puruse covington tbh.
bertans would have been a nice piece to have :lol

[timvp]

No one's said that.


Like what, two people?


He's trying to walk back his statement

Heh.


He was wrong.

If you disregard the context and want Klutch burnt at the stake, that's fine, tbh. Classify me as wrong if it makes you feel better about this situation :tu

[SpursFan0728]

Shouldnt the spurs already obtained a verbal commitment from Morris and his agency before trading Bertans? From a legal perspective, a verbal contact as as good as written. I believe there’s is something legally spurs can do ( if they opt to do so).

[vy65]

And does the guy who made 5.3 million last year really need to be empowered vs the old rich white guy? I can think of plenty others more in need of empowerment.

[DPG21920]

And how do you undo this now? Even if Morris stays, the damage is done. Would that locker room welcome him? Pop? How can fans be ok with this.

Of course SA would still do it and it would probably be glossed over but this was colossally stupid letting this leak.

[SpursDynasty85]

Like what, two people? Criticism of Klutch is natural, even vital. Timvp was saying that it's not. He's trying to walk back his statement and it's not working. He was wrong.

Going after Klutch is futile at this point. Ultinately its within the rules and its Morris's decision. You think trading Murray or forcing him to get involved is smart? Smart move is to stay patient and make tactical decisions. If Klutch was involved the overreaction and slandering of Morris os fuel for Morris and other players and agents to criticize Spurs fan base. Keep the criticism inline with the presence at hand. As of roght now, everyone is obviously emotional but, in the end, better to be level headed about this stuff and keep things in context. Spurs will probably work their back channels.

[MannyIsGod]

If this were the nfl I’d buy the rich white owner stuff, but nba players have it better than anyone and there needs to be balance and it’s tipped wayyyyy to far at the moment and causing real harm.

Just because they have it better than the other leagues doesn't mean they shouldn't try to get as much power as they can.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Yeah sounds just like vintage Timvp. Just walking shit back because he mouths off so much. Pick your battles. This one is fucking stupid.

:corn:

[timvp]

It's interesting that Morris hasn't made a decision yet. I thought that he'd quickly sign with the Knicks after the news hit the press.

This is definitely a case of no news is good news for the Spurs. The longer this stretches out, the better chance that he'll ultimately pick the Spurs.

[MannyIsGod]

And does the guy who made 5.3 million last year really need to be empowered vs the old rich white guy? I can think of plenty others more in need of empowerment.

Yeah considering the guy who made 5.3 million is the one who did all the work. Why are you upset at players exercising whatever power they have? As long as it doesn't violate the CBA they're not breaking rules that were mutually agreed to so whats the problem other than the team you root for getting screwed?

[UZER]

Morris backs out and everyone on ST starts fighting with each other. NBA players really do have too much power. It extends to forums.

[DavidTheGoliath]

Nah. Fuck him tbh.

[ZeusWillJudge]

And how do you undo this now? Even if Morris stays, the damage is done. Would that locker room welcome him? Pop? How can fans be ok with this.

Of course SA would still do it and it would probably be glossed over but this was colossally stupid letting this leak.


Yep. Every bit of that. And if he leaves, and he probably will, anyone you bring knows they are second choice, or worse than second choice because the market dried up. It's a bloody mess.

[Blackhaus]

They we’re just talking about it on nba tv during the knicks summer league and there’s not mention how much of a sick move it is to the spurs, only about how impactful it would be for the knicks. fuckimg ridiculous

[MannyIsGod]

And how do you undo this now? Even if Morris stays, the damage is done. Would that locker room welcome him? Pop? How can fans be ok with this.

Of course SA would still do it and it would probably be glossed over but this was colossally stupid letting this leak.

I've wondered this from page 1 of this thread. Who do you think leaked it? It doesn't make much sense that Klutch would leak it. It had to come from the Spurs camp so if thats the case then they must be ready to move on, no?

[spurraider21]

Shouldnt the spurs already obtained a verbal commitment from Morris and his agency before trading Bertans? From a legal perspective, a verbal contact as as good as written. I believe there’s is something legally spurs can do ( if they opt to do so).
im sure they got a verbal commitment. but no, its not binding as a verbal contract. there are certain types of contracts which must be in writing to be enforceable, this is among them.

techincally the spurs may have some legal recourse, but not one that would force morris to honor any agreement with them. just money damages. and there's zero chance they do that. no FA would look at the spurs if they go around suing players

[Marcus Bryant]

https://sports.yahoo.com/marcus-morris-considering-reneging-on-deal-with-spurs-in-favor-of-knicks-211335219.html


LAS VEGAS — Free-agent forward Marcus Morris is considering reneging on his agreement with the San Antonio Spurs to take a deal with the New York Knicks, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Morris, who played with the Boston Celtics last season, agreed to terms with the Spurs on a two-year, $20 million pact with a player option on the second year.

The Spurs traded traded forward Davis Bertans to the Washington Wizards to open up the midlevel exception for Morris.

However, the Knicks now have a one-year, roughly $15 million offer on the table for Morris, sources said.

But there is optimism Morris and the Spurs will finalize their contract, sources said.

Word began circulating at Summer League of Morris’ hesitancy when he didn’t show up to take his physical a few days ago.

Morris averaged 13.9 points and 6.1 rebounds last season for the Celtics.

The Knicks are also reworking the two-year, $21 million agreement with guard Reggie Bullock due to a physical red flag, sources said.

The Spurs have started reaching out to other free-agents wings in case Morris decides to join the Knicks, sources said.

[timvp]

And how do you undo this now? Even if Morris stays, the damage is done. Would that locker room welcome him? Pop? How can fans be ok with this.

Really? If he takes an extra day to decide and ultimately signs with the Spurs, no one will remember. The storyline would be that he got a last second offer that was like 60% higher than San Antonio's offer yet decided to sign with the Spurs anyways after taking a day or two to think about it.

This whole thing would be forgotten in about a week.

Obviously, my guess is he goes to NY but no need being overly dramatic until something actually happens.

[spurraider21]

And how do you undo this now? Even if Morris stays, the damage is done. Would that locker room welcome him? Pop? How can fans be ok with this.

Of course SA would still do it and it would probably be glossed over but this was colossally stupid letting this leak.
it would be fine tbh. he's on a 1+1 and would be motivated to earn a contract next summer.

[picnroll]

I have absolutely no doubt that Morris is gone. Spurs were suspicion when he didn’t show up for his physical. Was that before the Bertrans move and the DeMar extension? We’re the Spurs trying to free up the full MLE knowing they needed to go after another SF/PG?

[Gino20]

I would think the players would be okay with it since it’s a players league and they may understand that they need to do what’s best for them. Pop, different story...

[SpursDynasty85]

It's interesting that Morris hasn't made a decision yet. I thought that he'd quickly sign with the Knicks after the news hit the press.

This is definitely a case of no news is good news for the Spurs. The longer this stretches out, the better chance that he'll ultimately pick the Spurs.

Hope you're right. The longer he takes the more he may feel Spurs fanbase disowning and sla dering him while Knicks media trying to compliment him etc.. hopefully he does sign with the Spurs and helps them beat the Lakers.

[ZeusWillJudge]

It's interesting that Morris hasn't made a decision yet. I thought that he'd quickly sign with the Knicks after the news hit the press.

This is definitely a case of no news is good news for the Spurs. The longer this stretches out, the better chance that he'll ultimately pick the Spurs.


He may be feeling the blowback and questioning whether it's a good move. But like DPG said above, it's still messy if he comes on board now. He and the Spurs would have to spin the story to talk about what a character guy he is to keep his commitment.

[vy65]

Yeah considering the guy who made 5.3 million is the one who did all the work. Why are you upset at players exercising whatever power they have? As long as it doesn't violate the CBA they're not breaking rules that were mutually agreed to so whats the problem other than the team you root for getting screwed?

Because I’m not so sure it doesn’t violate the CBA. It certainly violates the intent and spirit behind the CBA. And it’s particularly bad when the team relies on a promise to its detriment and sends off a player for nothing.

People would be up in arms of the shoe were on the other foot and the Spurs reneged. The identity of the party backing out doesn’t make a difference legally. A deal is a deal and should be enforced as such.

I think there’s an argument to be had about who’s putting in work, but the player is definitely the one putting work on the court.

[Marcus Bryant]

It's interesting that Morris hasn't made a decision yet. I thought that he'd quickly sign with the Knicks after the news hit the press.

This is definitely a case of no news is good news for the Spurs. The longer this stretches out, the better chance that he'll ultimately pick the Spurs.

Have to agree. If it's just about the money then you'd want it over and done with. Dragging it out just attracts attention in the NBA news vacuum which usually follows the initial free agency frenzy.

[FkLA]

Good luck with the “search” feature.

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[GusT15]

They we’re just talking about it on nba tv during the knicks summer league and there’s not mention how much of a sick move it is to the spurs, only about how impactful it would be for the knicks. fuckimg ridiculous

It's gonna be so very much impactful for the Knicks when they trade him to the Lakers at the trade deadline for a 2025 2nd round pick and go on with their tanking 2020 season like nothing changed.

[dbreiden83080]

I don't understand

He didn't sign the contract?

[TXstbobcat]

It's interesting that Morris hasn't made a decision yet. I thought that he'd quickly sign with the Knicks after the news hit the press.

This is definitely a case of no news is good news for the Spurs. The longer this stretches out, the better chance that he'll ultimately pick the Spurs.

Isn't the hold up here the knicks trying to restructure a contract to free up extra money to pay Morris his $15 mil?

[SpursDynasty85]

I don't understand

He didn't sign the contract?

Apparently he never showed up for the physical.

[Marcus Bryant]

Of course, maybe it's just the timeline for the moves (reworking Bullock's deal) the Knicks need to make for CBA adherence.

[cd98]

Won’t Spurs be a potential home next year with their salary cap space? Doing this means less teams to sign with for a bigger pay day.

[MannyIsGod]

Because I’m not so sure it doesn’t violate the CBA. It certainly violates the intent and spirit behind the CBA. And it’s particularly bad when the team relies on a promise to its detriment and sends off a player for nothing.

People would be up in arms of the shoe were on the other foot and the Spurs reneged. The identity of the party backing out doesn’t make a difference legally. A deal is a deal and should be enforced as such.

I think there’s an argument to be had about who’s putting in work, but the player is definitely the one putting work on the court.

It doesn't violate the CBA. Ask Mark Cuban. You think the most petty owner in the NBA would have not done something if it did? You know what Mark Cuban did? He turned around and later signed DeAndre afetr he did it to him.

[timvp]

But there is optimism Morris and the Spurs will finalize their contract, sources said.

Haynes had details before everyone else so I wouldn't overlook this aspect. That Morris didn't instantly sign with the Knicks after Bullock failed his physical means he's at least thinking about it. The Knicks probably have a list of other options they could go to so they're probably pushing Morris for an answer, too.

[GusT15]

Isn't the hold up here the knicks trying to restructure a contract to free up extra money to pay Morris his $15 mil?

Probably yes.Cause they are keeping Bullock as well as signing Morris.:bang

[dbreiden83080]

Apparently he never showed up for the physical.

So our trade should be void. If he agreed to the deal.

[ducks]

If spurs could do a sign and trade for Moris they could do longer deal for asshole

[MannyIsGod]

Because I’m not so sure it doesn’t violate the CBA. It certainly violates the intent and spirit behind the CBA. And it’s particularly bad when the team relies on a promise to its detriment and sends off a player for nothing.

People would be up in arms of the shoe were on the other foot and the Spurs reneged. The identity of the party backing out doesn’t make a difference legally. A deal is a deal and should be enforced as such.

I think there’s an argument to be had about who’s putting in work, but the player is definitely the one putting work on the court.

In fact, the very existance of the moratorium period might be exactly FOR players to have this option. Otherwise what exactly is the point?

[timvp]

Isn't the hold up here the knicks trying to restructure a contract to free up extra money to pay Morris his $15 mil?

Bullock never signed a contract so there's nothing to restructure. It sounds like he failed the physical and that the Knicks will instead throw the money at Morris. Knicks might throw a couple million at Bullock in good faith ... depending on what the reason is he might not be able to play next season.

[Chinook]

I still hope Morris signs even though I wasn't really in love with the signing. The Spurs wanted him and had a plan to use him. It's better to wait on that and then see rather than getting pissed and finding a new player they didn't want as much. Of course this situation is borked, but I'm not sad about losing Bertans. The only issue is that they didn't also move Beli in the deal. That experiment had run its course. Now would I have preferred a TE to the MLE? Probably. But everything else will work out. The chances of the Spurs signing a legit third center or moving Eubanks up and signing another two-way player go up if they go into camp with only 14 guaranteed spots.

[MannyIsGod]

So our trade should be void. If he agreed to the deal.

The trade was for Carroll. Morris is a free agent signing.

[RD2191]

Good luck with the “search” feature.

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[dbreiden83080]

The trade was for Carroll. Morris is a free agent signing.

That is some Bullshit. Agrees, and then blows off the physical to get out of it. CBA is BS..

[Blackhaus]

It sounded like they were reworking the numbers to pay bullock less money, at least what I read somewhere.

[exstatic]

So our trade should be void. If he agreed to the deal.

Nope. Our trade with Wash is completely independent of signing Morris. It had to happen first.

I don’t think the delay is a good sign at all. NY is just doing capology things, and when that’s done, he’ll sign.

[SpursDynasty85]

So our trade should be void. If he agreed to the deal.

In this case, it cant. Spurs needed to trade some one and finalize that deal before even having a spot open for any free agent. In a better world, voiding the trade would be nice. Big winner is demarre Carrol. He got a cool $2M or so for free.

[Marcus Bryant]

Haynes had details before everyone else so I wouldn't overlook this aspect. That Morris didn't instantly sign with the Knicks after Bullock failed his physical means he's at least thinking about it. The Knicks probably have a list of other options they could go to so they're probably pushing Morris for an answer, too.

Maybe they're waiting for him to show up for the physical and his signature before anything is announced. Seems prudent.

[Mr. Body]

im sure they got a verbal commitment. but no, its not binding as a verbal contract. there are certain types of contracts which must be in writing to be enforceable, this is among them.

techincally the spurs may have some legal recourse, but not one that would force morris to honor any agreement with them. just money damages. and there's zero chance they do that. no FA would look at the spurs if they go around suing players

There is something called promissory estoppel, which essentially means that a promise made and then broken can be actionable if the aggrieved party suffered damages through the breaking. The Spurs would have a case in potentially recovering the extra money given to Carroll, potentially something from the Bertans trade, and more. I would think Klutch would be the responsible party, but perhaps Morris, too.

Now, I doubt they go this far, but the legal principle exists.

[Blackhaus]

Whether he comes or not, the real issue is the Spurs lost a trade piece for nothing. As much as we got on Davis, he still has value around the league and the spurs got a giant fuckimg slap in the face as compensation for him if this plays out. Sucks.

[timvp]

Maybe they're waiting for him to show up for the physical and his signature before anything is announced. Seems prudent.

Heh. Good point, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Going after Klutch is futile at this point. Ultinately its within the rules and its Morris's decision. You think trading Murray or forcing him to get involved is smart? Smart move is to stay patient and make tactical decisions. If Klutch was involved the overreaction and slandering of Morris os fuel for Morris and other players and agents to criticize Spurs fan base. Keep the criticism inline with the presence at hand. As of roght now, everyone is obviously emotional but, in the end, better to be level headed about this stuff and keep things in context. Spurs will probably work their back channels.

What I've maintained as far as Klutch is that there's no point in dealing with them from here on. This will be an issue when Murray's contract comes up. There's absolutely no reason to consider them reliable whatsoever.

[MannyIsGod]

There is something called promissory estoppel, which essentially means that a promise made and then broken can be actionable if the aggrieved party suffered damages through the breaking. The Spurs would have a case in potentially recovering the extra money given to Carroll, potentially something from the Bertans trade, and more. I would think Klutch would be the responsible party, but perhaps Morris, too.

Now, I doubt they go this far, but the legal principle exists.

I'd bet money that part of the CBA is that parties don't go through the normal legal route but instead some form of arbitration. NBA negotiations aren't like regular business negotiations.

[timvp]

What I've maintained as far as Klutch is that there's no point in dealing with them from here on. This will be an issue when Murray's contract comes up. There's absolutely no reason to consider them reliable whatsoever.

So would you trade Murray now?